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Charlie Botterill Returns: Elite 15 Racing, Nike Signing & Hyrox Chaos | MindSets Podcast | Episode 80 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello, and welcome back to the Mindsets Podcast.
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  Now, you might notice a couple of changes.
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  First one, Charles, we're in a different location.
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  Looking good doesn't. It it is, well, if you also
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  might notice if you came from Charlie's channel, that
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  Charlie's not on screen right now, but he's here with us.
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  How are you doing, Charlie? I'm good, thanks.
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  How are you? Excellent.
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  Thank you very much for coming back on Because You Were Here
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  Episode 37, I believe. It's been a while.
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  Yeah, 2 years I want to say maybe.
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  Two years. Well, two years ago I didn't.
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  I don't think we'd even met. How crazy is that?
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  That is wild. For those of you that also
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  haven't, there's those crazy that don't know as well.
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  Charlie and I work quite closely together.
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  I'm the guy that does his YouTube so I follow him around
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  with a camera normally. However, this time I've come the
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  other side of it and I get to pester him on your guys behalf.
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  Charles, you weren't here with the last one.
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  I wasn't, no. You've been excited about this
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  for a while because you've got lots of questions.
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  The Mindsets podcast are a big fan of Charlie.
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  And Charlie, hopefully is. I mean, Charlie's been writing
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  in with a lot of things. We haven't exposed him on some
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  of them, but today you can't. He can't hide behind the
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  keyboard. I cannot hide and I must say
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  this is probably my favorite podcast.
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  There you go. Well, not probably.
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  It is my favorite podcast. We actually listen to every I
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  was going. To say we had to pay a.
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  Lot. I've actually listened to every
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  episode you've released I think since.
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  Really, there we go. So if that is if if this is your
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  first time listening, hit subscribe now, go over to
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  Spotify, Apple podcast, wherever you normally listen to your
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  podcast, follow rates, five stars straight away and then go
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  back through all of those 80 episodes now.
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  See if you can find Charlie's original episode.
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  You'll enjoy that a lot because this is before, a lot has
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  changed for him since then. So this episode we're going to
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  do a bit more of a run through of what has happened in those
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  last two years, kind of catch up, maybe fill in some of the
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  gaps that you may not have already known.
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  And then we are going to do a part, which will be episode 81,
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  where we actually get into the nitty gritty of Charlie's
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  training, which we're very, very excited to do.
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  However, the first thing we do on this podcast, Charlie, as
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  you'll recognise, is we do the news.
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  So we will come to you at the end of the news if you have any
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  other news updates that you know of in the sporting world.
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  But we're going to try and do this in 2 minutes.
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  OK so I'm going to bring my laptop up here for this because.
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  There's a lot. Going on to get through OK, are
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  you going to set the timer? 321.
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  OK, so first of all, we're going to ignore some big things that
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  are going on in the world right now because they're very scary,
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  but we're going to move straight into Brigid.
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  Cosguy set a new course record in the Tokyo Marathon with the
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  victory at 2 hours, 14 minutes and 29 seconds.
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  Pretty impressive. Another running feat.
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  Do you want to go through this one?
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  You've got it in front of you. Keely Hodgkinson world record in
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  the 800 meters indoors set a 154.87 seconds to smash a world
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  record since the 3rd of March 2002, which is incidentally the
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  day she was born. Up next, Six Nations is back
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  this coming weekend. So there's been no changes since
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  our last episode in schools or anything like that.
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  Excited for that to come back. However, what I will say because
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  you're listening to this after the weekend has been that the
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  Six Nations is back, is that France probably beat Scotland,
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  Ireland probably beat Wales by a lot and England probably
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  narrowly beat Italy in an embarrassing fashion.
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  Then also since the last episode came out, the Hierarchs calendar
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  has been announced. That's come out through a pretty
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  cool release, but you guys know more about that than I do
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  currently. CrossFit Open 26.2, that comes
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  out later today for us because we're listening to it.
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  We're going to talk to Charlie about CrossFit 26.1 because he's
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  actually done pretty well in that.
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  The next thing in the CrossFit world is that Don Fowl is
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  stepping down very imminently. And one more thing in the
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  CrossFit world is there is a new competition on the cards.
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  Zenom has come in. It seems to be some sort of high
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  rocks take on CrossFit but not for those people that are skinny
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  and run fast like we all try to be.
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  Final news is that KSI has bought Dagenham and Red Bridge
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  Football Club. Like the whole club.
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  He's now the owner, which is pretty full circle.
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  I remember watching KSI when I was really young and he was
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  doing race to Division One FIFA trying to get his team into
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  Division One. Now he's doing in real life
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  which is crazy. That was the news.
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  How did I do 145 that was? Spot on, I'm actually quite
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  impressed with. That was good.
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  He started talking very quickly. Charlie, I said I'd come.
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  Back to you. He's been waiting, I think.
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  That was the countdown, the countdown noise.
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  Something was happening. Charlie, have you got any other
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  news that you are aware of in the sporting world?
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  News in the sporting world. I have no news and.
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  Straight back to me in the studio.
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  So we need to talk about the 26.1 just very quickly.
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  So for anyone who doesn't know, my background's in CrossFit and
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  I've been doing CrossFit for this is my 9th CrossFit Open.
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  So as I always do, I go on the leaderboard and I'm checking
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  who's doing well in the UK. I'm going along as obviously the
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  the usual suspects. You got Harry Lightfoot at the
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  top, Tom Kingdom and then Michael Smith from from Ireland
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  #4 are you still #4? I was #3 or #4 last time I
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  tried. When I looked, it was he was #4
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  his very, yeah, very own Charlie bottle.
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  Hybrid rock star in person. Well first of all I have to say
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  when I saw the work out I was thinking.
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  Considering that CrossFit athletes typically don't like
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  Hierarchs athletes not not like fistfight, don't like, but like.
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  There's a bit of a barrier between the two of them to have
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  the first workout be very well suited to someone who's very
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  well primed for. Hierarchs So the way it usually
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  works and and has traditionally always gone in the open is the
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  first workout is like much more accessible and it's kind of like
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  a marketing tool to get more people involved in it because
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  they look at it and go, there's no heavy barbell, there's no
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  technical gymnastics. Oh, I give this a go and I'll
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  pay $20 and sign up. And then the subsequent week is
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  like heavy barbell hard gymnastics.
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  And they kind of stopped doing it from there.
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  But last year as well, there was burpees, lunges and hand
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  cleaning jet, which is again fairly accessible.
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  The year before was dumbbell snatch and burpee.
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  So it was a very good hyroxy workout as proven by Charlie's
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  performance, right? Yeah.
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  So again, just for context, I can't remember exactly how many
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  wobbles it was 200 and 46246 wobbles.
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  And then box step over, sometimes with the ball,
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  sometimes without the ball in a time cap of 12 minutes.
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  Do you know off the top of your head, either of you, how many
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  people have finished the workout worldwide?
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  So few but there's more women or the women are producing faster
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  times than the men. But I think it was something
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  crazy like 11 women or 11 men or something had finished, which is
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  like crazy to think. Whereas usually in an open
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  workout, hundreds and hundreds of people are finishing it.
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  So like it was a very tight time cap.
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  And the women thing will be because of.
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  The slightly lower target and the faster and the slightly
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  lower box. But yeah, it's crazy.
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  So what's your review, Charlie of the workout?
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  How did you take well, why did you do it for a start?
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  And then how did you actually find it when you're going
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  through? It I did it on a very, very,
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  very last minute decision. I was there.
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  I was there to help my friends, like during the actual thing in
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  our gym. And then one of my CrossFit
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  friends, Dan, if you're watching, I was like, oh, he's
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  a, he's a hybrid rock star. He can't do the CrossFit open.
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  So I signed up and then I did it.
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  Because you train at a CrossFit affiliate.
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  Yeah, so I trained at CrossFit socks and like I'd already
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  trained a couple of times that day and it was kind of just
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  another bit of fun really. Normally war balls don't suit
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  me. Normally I hate war balls, but I
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  have been practicing my war balls and I actually did them
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  unbroken. I did the 66 unbroken.
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  I think I actually broke on the 4th, the 2nd 40, but that was
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  more just because I carried the Med ball making a bear hug and I
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  was like, yeah, that wasn't. So you started.
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  Breathing rather than like leg fatigue.
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  Yeah, interesting. But no, I really enjoyed it like
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  I thought it was. It's one of those workouts that
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  is just capacity. It's like complete raw capacity,
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  but then seeing some of the woman's times.
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  And have you seen the video of Miriam von Rohl doing it?
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  Because she's she'll, she'll, she'll go tonight again.
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  Didn't she have a the box the long way round as well?
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  When she was doing the step overs, it wasn't just.
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  Like I haven't seen her step overs.
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  Yeah, so she she literally, you know how you have the one long
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  when she was doing it that way, which like, I don't know if that
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  was an easier thing for her, but that's more impressive because
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  like it should. Take longer, but maybe it slowed
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  her down to a point where she could recover a bit more.
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  I think she's going tonight against Amy Kringle and Lucy
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  Campbell, which are two best British girls for the 26.2
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  announcement, but assuming you're going to do 26.2 as well.
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  TBC depends because I've got a high rocks race four days after,
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  so if it's something that's going to give me a lot of Doms
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  then. Not worth it, right?
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  Yeah, then I've got I've got bigger fish to fry.
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  Yeah, Yeah. Well, I mean, talking about all
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  of these different options that you've now got in your fitness.
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  Last time we spoke, and I'm not going to spoil the last episode
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  for those that did want to go back and listen to it, but last
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  time we spoke, you're in a very different place in High Rocks
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  from my recollection of the time and knowing you, knowing you and
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  talking to you about it. You're going to World Champs a
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  few weeks after you're going to Nice.
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  And I don't know how many pro races you've done at that point,
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  but you were very much early on, you were very, very, I mean, you
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  still are very eager, but you were very, very eager for
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  hierarchs like discovering it all.
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  You kind of knew where you wanted to go with it, but like
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  you knew that at that particular instant, you probably weren't
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  there. So do you want to talk us
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  through really what happened in Nice and that following season?
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  Because you, in that following season, went from not being too
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  happy with your Nice result to suddenly you're now like, your
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  name's out there. Yeah.
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  So I mean, when we had that podcast, that was I'll say in
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  months, 21 months ago I think. And then my at that time I'd
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  done 4 pro races and my PB is one hour and 2 minutes.
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  Obviously Nice didn't quite go to plan.
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  I wanted to try and like win the age group in my age group, and I
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  won't say who, but there was a few sponsors that if I did do
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  well, would have signed me essentially.
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  And then because I didn't do well, one of them kind of just
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  pulled the rug out, which was quite, quite frustrating.
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  And that kind of would have been the catalyst for me to be able
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  to maybe go full time the next year just as like a young a
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  young British guy. But say the way like you didn't
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  go to plan. I cramped up and I think I did a
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  one hour, 11 minutes or something like that.
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  Do you feel like you'd? Put more pressure on yourself
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  for that race because of those potential sponsors.
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  Yeah. And like, like, I won't say who,
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  but some of the heads of those sponsors were at the race
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  watching. But like, it's one of those
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  things. And I think it's kind of almost
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  helped me now having something like fail that badly that now I
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  look back at it and I don't want something like that to happen
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  again. So I did that and then the next
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  summer I kind of worked hard, worked on a few weaknesses and
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  then went into Birmingham in 2024, the end of 2024 and ran a
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  one hour and 4 seconds in the men's pro.
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  And ironically, I was 20 seconds behind Tim Vienish in that race,
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  who later became the High Rocks World champion that season.
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  And that race was kind of a bit of like I wanted to do better.
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  I expected better of myself. And then the remainder of the
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  year, I kind of just decided to race as much as possible and I
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  knew that I wasn't in the position fitness wise to go and
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  put out a standout result. That's just like an amazing
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  time. But I knew that I could just
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  from my background and cycling, I could go and race four times
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  in a weekend and do well in all four of them.
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  And that happened in Manchester in January of 2025 where I did
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  all the double S and then that relay as well.
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  And then the following month I ran my first first sub sixty
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  men's pro, which ironically was about a year ago.
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  I was going. To say, you put a post up today
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  for us recording where yeah, you just, you shared and it what was
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  the time on that? So I ran 5747.
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  Which is like a good chunk. Of a huge chunk off, yeah.
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  The only thing I can compare this to, and I said this to
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  someone recently, when I first bench pressed 100 kilos, I was
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  able to do 95 kilos for seven reps but was unable to do 100
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  for one. And then as soon as like it
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  happened, suddenly I could do 100 for five.
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  And I wonder if it was like the similar sort of mentality thing
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  of like crossing that bridge from being a like not being a
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  sub 60 athlete to being a sub 60 athlete.
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  Was that more mental do you think than physical?
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  Yeah, and I think it's once you know what works, you can just
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  rinse and repeat. And since then I've just rinsed
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  and repeated what I've done and it's working.
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  And hopefully, well, we're recording this the week and two
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  weeks before. Hopefully it kind of goes even
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  better in Glasgow and London. Because similar sort of time, I
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  remember you and your double S partner, Holly Russell, he also
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  started going sub hour sort of times in his solos.
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  And then you guys decided we're going to take on this last
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  chance qualifier as a pro double S pairing, which was also in
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  London. So coming up to a year ago and
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  there were a few big names in that race.
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  Did you know that you were going to be in the same wave as the
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  other big names and that you were going to be contenders
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  straight away? Or did you kind of just keep
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  yourself to the sideline mentally before going into that?
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  The the goal and ambition there was always to qualify, I didn't
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  expect, but at no point did we really think we would win it.
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  We did think it would kind of be a fight for that third spot,
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  just with like Heli and Thierry being there, obviously Jake and
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  Alan and then few French pairings, few British pairings.
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  Like there's a lot of strong, strong pairs there.
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  And then, yeah, literally. But it came down to like
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  wobbles, didn't it? Literally like a couple of reps,
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  one Rep. I think that was 7 or 8 seconds
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  between first place and 4th. Place.
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  So, yeah, yeah. And yeah, like I remember being
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  at those wobbles and I took the ball at 80.
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  I looked to my left there on 80. I looked to my right there on
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  80. And it was literally just.
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  Who can hang on who? Could hold their nerve and the
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  other two pairs both got no reps in like the 90 fives 96's and
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  that that ended up being the difference and it was literally
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  just who could hold their nerve so.
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  What was really difficult for me about that situation?
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  So obviously I've been friends with Charlie, as we've said,
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  since just before the, well, a couple of months before that
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  first ever podcast. So when it was you finally
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  getting to this moment and like seeing you officially become an
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  early 15 athlete you wanted, that was like huge.
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  But I was in the start pen. I remember this so.
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  Yeah, so Charles is business partner for Rocks Training, so
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  they do Pyrox coaching. Very good at it.
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  Hugh, I was racing the Hue because you were injured and so
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  I'd seen you come into the wobbles and I was like he's.
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  Like peeking through the. Curtain in the back knowing like
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  you've said recently to someone about the chip time being when
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  you start. So like everyone else had gone
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  and I was just saying, Hugh, I'm not leaving until like I know
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  who's won. And I would, I could just see
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  the warble counters and them all matching up and then just like
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  focusing in and realising you being in the middle of the top
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  three like this. Is it like it's happening?
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  So we crossed the line and then Hugh basically grabbed my arm
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  and off we went. And I, I had no other context to
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  what was going on and I couldn't come over and say anything.
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  But we just hit the dance floor ourselves.
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  But it must have been an unreal moment.
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  Did you have that sort of realization of like, I've done
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  it because like, your face as you cross the line, you're very
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  happy. But like, did it hit home
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  straight away? Oh, yeah.
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  And I think it's like when you work hard, like really hard for
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  something and you start to see it sort of slowly taking shape,
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  you kind of realize like, oh, all the stuff I've done in the
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  past three years is kind of work towards this and then this will
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  work to whatever I've got coming up in the next three years.
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  So yeah, like I, I was like over the moon.
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  I don't think there's many like ways to describe it.
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  It was just like a pretty surreal feeling.
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  And it was great having my, my dad was there, loads of my
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  friends were there. And it was great seeing them
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  afterwards and just taking it all in.
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  And then obviously we did the relay later in the day, which
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  was absolutely brutal, which I'll probably never do again
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  after having such a dopamine high.
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  And then you're just dead on the sideline for the relay.
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  But I was. Also in that relay.
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  Yeah. And I'd never done sled push in
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  a relay before. I could not have managed that
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  worse. It was awful.
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  And what what was really painful was me and my friends were
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  hoping that we would keep up with you for the most part.
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  And like out of the back of the sled push, arguably my fault you
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  were gone. Absolutely gone.
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  The sled push. I did the sled push and the
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  relay world champs and doing an all out K into a pro sled push
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  is brutal. Absolutely horrific.
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  And then having to Sprint that last 50 meters was even worse.
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  Like my calves were in absolute agony.
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  It was. Just like hobbling along so.
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  I mean, Charlie, you've got a future in podcasting because
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  that's a really nice segue into the next thing.
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  So World Champs Chicago, your main focus was to go and race
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  with Ollie and then all of a sudden watching the men's solo
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  race, Jake did and pulls up injuries, not looking too great.
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  And he's the the was it Team England?
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  Were we team England or Yeah, yeah, Team England.
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  He was team England captain. Now, I also know that you were
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  hoping you might get a chance with team Scotland because
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  you've got I mean, kind of like I do, you've got some Scottish
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  in you. So there's a there's a there was
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  the opportunity there. But then Jake, did he just shoot
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  you a text message? Yeah.
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  And I think he, because I've, I've done a lot of relays and
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  I've done quite well in the relays.
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  Yeah, just shot me a text message on the Friday morning, I
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  think it was. The race was in the Friday
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  evening and I was like, it's a good opener session.
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  You always like a run out. And yeah, and like Till
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  mentioned on the live stream that if someone, if someone
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  gives me an opportunity to race, I will race.
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  And before then I'd never like, I never represented any country
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  like in an elite race. And I see it like in football
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  where once, once you've represented a country, that's
• 19:01
  like you've made your decision. So I've now kind of stuck myself
• 19:06
  with England, which I'm quite I'm quite happy with at the
• 19:08
  moment because I think with the new ranking system, I'm now
• 19:11
  England team captain for this year as it stands, which is
• 19:15
  quite a funny I. Can't wait to race in the elite
• 19:17
  of the relay. Drama doesn't appreciate.
• 19:19
  You I love where your. Thought process is going on that
• 19:23
  which. Is quite funny.
• 19:24
  I think it's either me or Lucy Proctor at the moment which
• 19:27
  could obviously change. It's like 4 months away till
• 19:30
  world shows. But yeah, like I went in and I
• 19:34
  did the relay. Sorry, did you, did you know you
• 19:36
  were like was the text message, Charlie, do you want to do the
• 19:39
  relay you're doing these two stations or was it like a
• 19:43
  discussion a little bit? It was like, do you want to do
• 19:45
  the relay? You'll be doing the two stations
• 19:47
  I was meant to do because normally I'm on the ski in the
• 19:51
  row in the relay. That's what I thought, yeah, I
• 19:54
  got the row at least. But yeah, I did the sled push
• 19:57
  and thankfully I got him before Team New Zealand because High
• 20:01
  Rocks only put out one pro men sled.
• 20:03
  Yes, they had to wait for you to finish.
• 20:05
  Yeah, that's. Honestly, mentor isn't it.
• 20:08
  Well, I remember pushing it back on the second length and seeing
• 20:11
  him stood there and I was like, why on earth you stood there?
• 20:14
  And then I clocked, oh wait, there's no other pro sleds.
• 20:18
  But yeah, that was that was really fun.
• 20:20
  I really enjoyed that. And it was quite cool being in
• 20:22
  the lead of that race as well. So yeah, I enjoyed that.
• 20:28
  Cool. And then, I mean, next day, wake
• 20:31
  up, back out on the course with Ollie this time.
• 20:36
  Talk me through that. I mean, you've spoken a little
• 20:38
  bit before on your YouTube, but yeah, how did that sort of go
• 20:43
  for you? And as a double, how did you
• 20:45
  think it go it went? It didn't.
• 20:47
  It didn't go anywhere near as well as I'd hoped or as well as
• 20:51
  Ollie had hoped and I was quite. It was a very similar situation
• 20:56
  to Nice. I've not really spoken about it,
• 20:59
  but obviously now I'm with Nike. Nike were very, very like my
• 21:07
  performance in the solos as what they were cared about more, and
• 21:11
  the fact that I wasn't doing the solos at the age groups and
• 21:13
  world champs could have been a bit of an issue.
• 21:16
  And then I was a bit worried after we didn't really place too
• 21:18
  well in the Elite Double S race that maybe I'd kind of spawn
• 21:22
  that opportunity. Thankfully, I didn't.
• 21:25
  He's wearing it, you know, Shout out.
• 21:29
  But yeah, like that race was kind of you really could tell
• 21:37
  how good the best guys in the world are in that race.
• 21:41
  And some of the running times that were being put out were
• 21:44
  just absolutely nuts. And I think, I think it was just
• 21:50
  kind of a bit of a, not a wake up call, but that I really need
• 21:55
  to just push on and spend the next four months over summer
• 21:59
  just like working away and just not necessarily pulling the
• 22:06
  carrot too many times as I like to say in training.
• 22:10
  But then really when it counts and races, make a statement and
• 22:14
  work hard. I feel like off the back of that
• 22:17
  and this, this could be completely wrong.
• 22:19
  But having followed you on on social media, it was after that
• 22:22
  where it's like, I definitely felt like there was an increase
• 22:26
  in maybe volume or maybe just the amount you were sharing.
• 22:29
  But like, you definitely like, buckle down and just like, put
• 22:32
  your head in the sand and was like, I'm going to do more of
• 22:35
  this, more of this, more of this, just going to become the
• 22:37
  fittest I can possibly be. Is that kind of a shift in your
• 22:40
  training, do you reckon? Yeah, so after World Champs I
• 22:44
  was like, it's now or never. And if I want to do well at
• 22:49
  this, I have to kind of go completely all in.
• 22:53
  So I saved up money for a few years and I was like, I've got
• 22:56
  enough money here for six months.
• 22:59
  I can train full time and if I run out of money before I get
• 23:04
  sponsors, looks like I'm going back to work full time.
• 23:08
  So I, I left my job after that, which they completely understood
• 23:12
  and they, I still train at that gym every single day.
• 23:18
  And yeah, so I went full time in the summer.
• 23:22
  Obviously I could focus a bit more on volume and increasing
• 23:25
  that and then focus more on recovery.
• 23:28
  And over the four month period, I just got fitter and once you
• 23:34
  like, if you continue to stack bricks, eventually you'll build
• 23:37
  a wall. And I just built a wall high
• 23:40
  enough where I can now compete with the top guys.
• 23:42
  And at that point, had you already been like, look, I want
• 23:45
  to be Elite 15, you'd already made that decision to go like, I
• 23:49
  know I can compete with these top guys.
• 23:50
  This is I just need to do the work.
• 23:53
  Oh yeah, from. Or like, how early had you like
• 23:56
  consciously had that conversation with yourself?
• 24:00
  Was it before world Champs in Chicago?
• 24:02
  Was it like earlier, like closer to nice time?
• 24:04
  You're like, I can be one of the best here.
• 24:06
  In all honesty, and I've been like this my my whole life, if I
• 24:14
  know that if I put my mind something, I can be the best in
• 24:19
  the world in it. And I know that fortunately,
• 24:23
  just from all the sports I've done genetically, I am, I'm well
• 24:28
  off like I'm in a good position genetically where I am good
• 24:32
  naturally at endurance sports. And I knew that when I started
• 24:38
  this, I could become an elite 15 athlete and I could be one of
• 24:44
  the best in the world. And that's now I ran my first
• 24:48
  race and I ran a 111 one hour, 11 minute open.
• 24:53
  And I knew from that point, like if I do everything in my power
• 24:58
  over the next 34567, however long it takes years, I could be
• 25:03
  one of the best in the world. And the first three years you
• 25:09
  didn't see like any of that potential.
• 25:13
  I was kind of just the kid who raced a lot, but all of that
• 25:17
  kind of compounds. And like, like they say,
• 25:20
  overnight success takes 10 years.
• 25:22
  And then once you like, and then once I've kind of accumulated
• 25:29
  all that specific volume and learned my body, I then could go
• 25:34
  and achieve what I've done so far and hopefully what I'm going
• 25:37
  to do in the future. But yeah, to answer the question
• 25:40
  like I've. It's been from like day one
• 25:42
  where you're like, I can be. It's such like a fast and we
• 25:45
  talk about mindset on the podcast all the time.
• 25:47
  And like I always say it to be the best you honestly that it's
• 25:51
  like so much self belief and it's really cool to actually
• 25:54
  hear that. And and you you reference like
• 25:57
  your first ever race. Go back to Charlie's YouTube
• 26:00
  because there's footage. I think it's your first video,
• 26:04
  whether you put that together. You gave me the footage, I put
• 26:06
  it's. Like footage of your first ever
• 26:08
  High Rocks race, which is really cool and probably awesome for
• 26:10
  you to be able to like look back and go, yeah, I went in the
• 26:13
  wrong station at the wrong time. And like everyone makes that
• 26:16
  that silly mistake on their first race.
• 26:18
  But it's it's awesome to see. One of the the things which I
• 26:22
  think is like a little insider knowledge that I don't think it
• 26:26
  came up on your YouTube yet, but in the sort of shift after World
• 26:30
  Champs where you were like locked in on your training
• 26:34
  represent on their first like ultra 24/7 on the 24th of July
• 26:41
  event. And it was it was kind of like a
• 26:43
  backyard ultra. Every hour on the hour for 12
• 26:45
  hours, you had to run 5.1 kilometres.
• 26:48
  So not miles like a normal backyard ultra, but it was still
• 26:50
  trails just outside of Manchester.
• 26:53
  But then in the remaining time and you're in teams of five, you
• 26:55
  had to skier as far as you could and you got points for every 250
• 26:59
  meters and you got points for every person in your team that
• 27:01
  completed the 5K loop. Now, very early on, I'm I, I was
• 27:06
  invited like 48 hours to go to join a team and I've rocked up
• 27:09
  and I've got Charlie there. I've also got Sean Noble and
• 27:12
  there's just other massive March on Ollie March on.
• 27:15
  Was there just big names in fitness that are rocked up?
• 27:17
  And I'm like, wow, I'm out of my depth, but I reckon I'm going to
• 27:21
  be right on the ski egg. It's the running that could be
• 27:23
  the problem. And from my experience, what I
• 27:27
  saw was you went off real hard and so did a bunch of other
• 27:31
  people that I knew there and I was like, I'm just going to take
• 27:33
  this easy because I didn't know about this until like a week
• 27:35
  ago. Then the smallest flex I'm going
• 27:39
  to have on this whole world cast, I overtook Charlie on my
• 27:42
  lap 5 and you were not looking very happy at that.
• 27:45
  Point I was, I think I chundered 5 or 6 times on that lap.
• 27:49
  What had? Happened.
• 27:50
  I I I know that fuelling is vital for a 12 hour race.
• 27:54
  I over fuelled and Oh my word I paid for it.
• 27:58
  I think lap five took me like 37 minutes.
• 28:02
  So bear in mind like we're 25K and Charlie's more than fit
• 28:04
  enough to run 25 K. The thing that people weren't
• 28:06
  accounting for because there were a lot of experienced
• 28:08
  fuellers and athletes there. No one was really accounting for
• 28:11
  the fact that you do this 5K pretty hard and then you come in
• 28:16
  and rather than like in normal backyard ultra having time to
• 28:19
  recover, you're now doing your bit on the skier.
• 28:21
  Which those of you who should be very familiar with the fact that
• 28:24
  it's an up and down movement. If you've just put food and
• 28:27
  drink in you and then you're doing that as hard and fast as
• 28:29
  you can, as a lot of teams were it, there's a high chance that's
• 28:32
  going to come back up. So when when people started
• 28:35
  being sick and you were not the only one, I can't say I was that
• 28:38
  surprised by it. And like to put that into
• 28:40
  perspective you like was it, did I read like your last 25 KS of
• 28:45
  the Ultra were both? Sub 20 he came back on like the
• 28:49
  maddest resurgence. Yeah, so I did.
• 28:54
  Our ten was 18-30 something, our 11 was 1820 something, and our
• 29:02
  twelve was 18-10 something. And what?
• 29:04
  So what was the total kilometers?
• 29:06
  60 something. Yeah, it must have been 60 and
• 29:10
  change. Perfect.
• 29:11
  Yeah. So you so like ultra marathon
• 29:14
  distance in? Yeah, running 35 kilometres
• 29:16
  faster than I've ever run them in trails.
• 29:18
  It's not OK. It's not OK.
• 29:20
  And also actually, no. Let's talk about the wildest
• 29:21
  thing on the last one. So you came in and what was it,
• 29:25
  18 something? Yeah.
• 29:26
  So you came in at 18 something before the second person came
• 29:29
  in. How far had you got on the
• 29:30
  Skiog? 2nd on my team or second just in
• 29:33
  general? 2nd In General I.
• 29:34
  Think over, OK. That's insane.
• 29:37
  Can you imagine? No.
• 29:38
  No. I remember, I remember going so
• 29:42
  ironically that riving some event without bringing Nike up
• 29:45
  again, but Nike his free advertisement, like after that
• 29:48
  they kind of kick things on. So that was like a really
• 29:50
  important thing for me. But I remember our nine being
• 29:55
  like, I think it was Malia when they got the girl on our team
• 29:59
  talking to her. And I was like, I feel really
• 30:01
  good. I'm going to be back in a
• 30:02
  second. And I went to my car and I got
• 30:05
  out of box fresh pair of vapour flies.
• 30:09
  So everyone's there in like caked trail shoes and you see me
• 30:14
  just get a white pair of vapor flies out box fresh and put them
• 30:19
  on and everyone's like, what the fuck is he doing?
• 30:22
  And then? The sponsors.
• 30:23
  Dream, right? Yeah, Actually, yeah.
• 30:25
  I remember like Olly Marchant speaking to me and he was like,
• 30:28
  what are you doing? And I was like, I'm going quick
• 30:31
  because I worked out like if we want to, we were in like 7th or
• 30:34
  8th place at the time. If we want a podium, I'm just
• 30:37
  going to have to bend myself on the runs and just get as much
• 30:40
  distance. So I told like Ben, who was Ben
• 30:46
  and Joey, like the two leaders on the Roxford team, right?
• 30:51
  I'm going to go out hard. And then I need one person to
• 30:54
  like go out like moderately hard so that they can give me a break
• 30:58
  on the ski. And then the other three can
• 31:01
  kind of poodle in and then work really hard for that last 20
• 31:04
  minutes on the ski erg. So then I can recover for 20
• 31:07
  minutes without skiing to then go really hard on the next 5K.
• 31:13
  And it worked. So like Malia did a couple
• 31:15
  really hard ones and then Dan did one as well.
• 31:18
  And you finished well, second or third?
• 31:20
  We came third in the end. Awesome.
• 31:21
  So we went into the last run in 5th place.
• 31:24
  It's mental. But we we were only like 8
• 31:27
  points behind. I don't know if it's because I
• 31:30
  knew pretty much all of you guys on that team, but you were
• 31:32
  definitely the people's champions the way that the race
• 31:35
  was handled because like also they were so chill.
• 31:37
  Top two were like locked in head to head down the other end of
• 31:41
  the skier. OK, fine.
• 31:42
  And like team rocks that were on their own, like having a good
• 31:44
  time, chilling in their chairs and just like talking to
• 31:47
  everybody. And I think at, at the start of
• 31:49
  the day, like we would, we would, we would have been happy
• 31:51
  with like top ten because like there was some really, really
• 31:56
  strong teams there and loads of teams were giving it the big and
• 32:00
  like, Oh yeah, we're going to, we're going to win this.
• 32:03
  And it was just, it was just cool.
• 32:04
  The fact that we all kind of at some point, all of us were in an
• 32:08
  absolute pit and we all just helped each other.
• 32:12
  Yeah. So it makes it even better when
• 32:13
  you're doing it with your mates and when.
• 32:15
  Like, but I feel like that's your your almost like your
• 32:18
  attitude going into your high rocks as well as well.
• 32:20
  Like obviously watching you race at the elite level now you look
• 32:24
  locked in and you look concentrated and focused when
• 32:27
  you're actually racing. But and the other times I see
• 32:29
  you around venues, whether it's in races in the UK, it's just
• 32:32
  like always happy to be there, always happy to chat to people
• 32:35
  who are like interested in you. And it's like never really
• 32:38
  necessarily taking yourself too seriously until it's game time.
• 32:42
  And I think that's something it's like such an advocate for
• 32:45
  the sport. And I think you do that very,
• 32:47
  very well. Thank you.
• 32:49
  And yeah, like, I'll, I'll always, if I'm at a venue, I'll
• 32:53
  always make an effort to talk to people or to just hang around
• 32:56
  and just watch other people. Because I know from when I was
• 33:01
  just a newbie beginner person and I was seeing like the elite
• 33:06
  guys racing. And if I spoke to one of them, I
• 33:08
  was like, oh, this is cool. I'm talking to an elite guy.
• 33:10
  And now it's kind of gone. Full.
• 33:12
  Circle And I remember that now when I talk to people, when like
• 33:16
  people message me, that's exactly how I felt three years
• 33:19
  ago. So that kind of just makes it
• 33:22
  sweeter. So I'll always do that when I
• 33:24
  can and just hang around to. Kind of complete the catch up on
• 33:28
  where you are today and like a top level view.
• 33:30
  Obviously we said in the next episode we'll go more into the
• 33:32
  nitty gritty of your training and ask some very specific
• 33:34
  questions. But I think at this point,
• 33:37
  unless you live under a rock, everyone knows that you did
• 33:40
  pretty well in Melbourne and there was a there was a lead up
• 33:42
  to that. But then between Melbourne and
• 33:46
  Phoenix, you had Christmas, you had all sorts of other things
• 33:49
  going on, you won Manchester. But like, talk, talk to us a
• 33:53
  little bit about Melbourne versus now, like where you've
• 33:57
  gone through that journey because I mean, not that you
• 34:00
  weren't already known, but like suddenly everyone knew who you
• 34:03
  were. And like, that was probably a
• 34:05
  lot more pressure and you probably also ecstatic, which I
• 34:08
  know when I do better in something than I expect to do,
• 34:10
  sometimes I'm almost demotivated from training because I'm like,
• 34:15
  I'm no longer chasing a carrot in that sense.
• 34:17
  So what did that whole thing look like from your side?
• 34:22
  Obviously in kind of that October, October was like the
• 34:26
  most nuts month of my life. Like I did 77 races that month
• 34:33
  and obviously there was a lot of buzz around that.
• 34:35
  Like I'd I'd won in Poland, I won in Valencia, I came third in
• 34:40
  Birmingham and like I'd qualified into the Elite 15.
• 34:45
  But then I came to Melbourne and a lot of people were kind of
• 34:50
  like they didn't expect me to qualify.
• 34:53
  I didn't expect me to qualify. I thought it was pretty cemented
• 34:57
  it was going to be Hunter, Tim and JK.
• 35:00
  Obviously Hunter and Tim were just on another level that day.
• 35:04
  But going into Melbourne I was confident.
• 35:06
  Like I ran in Madrid the week before or two weeks before and I
• 35:11
  did the men's open in the morning and then the men's pro
• 35:14
  in the evening and both of them I wanted to do it like that's
• 35:20
  80% effort. And for me, like having to hold
• 35:24
  back in a race was the most frustrating experience of my
• 35:27
  life, especially knowing that I could have gone and won.
• 35:32
  Well, I won the men's open, but then I could have gone and won
• 35:34
  the men's pro. But I knew that if I'd have gone
• 35:38
  full beans, it would have compromised me going into
• 35:40
  Melbourne. So I knew that my shape was in
• 35:45
  contention for a top five. I didn't expect it to be a top
• 35:48
  three, but then in terms of pacing the race, I don't think I
• 35:53
  could have done it any better. Like I came out of the burpees
• 35:56
  in 9th, but I came out of the burpees ready to kick on.
• 36:00
  And then it's so much easier mentally for me when you're
• 36:06
  picking people off rather than you're worrying about people
• 36:09
  behind you picking you off. And then obviously coming into
• 36:14
  the war balls and forth, I didn't really expect to move up
• 36:18
  from there. And then obviously what happened
• 36:21
  happened and I just kind of like still feels like a bit of a
• 36:26
  blur. But after that it kind of
• 36:29
  motivated me even more to work harder and train harder and
• 36:33
  recover harder and just fix loads of things.
• 36:38
  And then I had quite a few like in and around Christmas up until
• 36:44
  Manchester had quite a few health issues, which kind of
• 36:48
  came to light. And I'm still kind of working
• 36:51
  through them now. So I wasn't able to run outdoors
• 36:53
  for six weeks. And now after having several
• 36:58
  blood tests and whatnot, like my iron's very low and I've got
• 37:01
  very low testosterone. So I need to kind of obviously
• 37:04
  I'm not going to have testosterone because that's
• 37:06
  illegal, but I need to kind of work on improving that.
• 37:09
  And my iron, my iron levels now compared to four weeks ago in
• 37:15
  Phoenix, a nine day difference. And I can feel it in training
• 37:19
  and in performance. I've gone on a bit of a tangent
• 37:24
  there, but yeah, then obviously Manchester happened.
• 37:27
  That went really well. Like I didn't really taper in
• 37:30
  for it, but it was the second fastest time I've ever run on a
• 37:33
  course that was supposedly very slow.
• 37:38
  But then on the fly out to Phoenix I got very ill from a
• 37:41
  guy who coughed and spotted everywhere.
• 37:45
  So. It's the worst thing about
• 37:46
  flying, isn't it? You're just like trapped in
• 37:48
  there. And a lot I had to turn to him
• 37:50
  and I was like, can you at least like cover your mouth?
• 37:52
  Because it was just no, no effort like to at least be
• 37:55
  hygienic. You need to get like a private
• 37:59
  jet sponsor I reckon. Yeah.
• 38:01
  And if you want to sponsor us at the same time, she is.
• 38:04
  Charlie's looking to private from private now.
• 38:06
  See, obviously, like I, I wasn't going to go into the race
• 38:09
  saying, oh, I feel like I feel rubbish.
• 38:12
  I'm going to fail. Because I think the more you
• 38:15
  talk about that in public, the more you're actually just going
• 38:17
  to self sanitize yourself into just yeah, and then you've got
• 38:22
  something to fall back on of I'm going into it.
• 38:24
  I'll. So I tried, I tried keeping it a
• 38:27
  bit, well I didn't sound mail, but then in a few of the
• 38:31
  interviews before the race you can hear my voice is just like
• 38:34
  completely gone. But yeah, that didn't go to
• 38:37
  plan. And then a couple days later I
• 38:39
  raced the double s with Jake did and it was a bit of fun and I
• 38:42
  felt a lot better that then we ran quite a quick time.
• 38:47
  But I after I came home I recovered rested and I've had a
• 38:51
  really good four week block building up to Glasgow and
• 38:55
  London. And then after London I think
• 38:57
  I'm probably not going to race again.
• 39:00
  I might race in Warsaw if I get an elite spot, but then it will
• 39:05
  be a case of 10 week block to world champs.
• 39:09
  I mean, off the back of that, I've got so many questions, but
• 39:12
  the first one, if we like rewind to Melbourne, something that I'm
• 39:16
  really interested in. And I think there's like a
• 39:19
  potential switch from when you start doing high Rocks to maybe
• 39:23
  when you become a little bit more competitive in High rocks
• 39:26
  about pacing strategy. But when you were in that elite
• 39:29
  race and you said it on your YouTube as well, it's like
• 39:31
  you've come out of the burpees. Was it 9th?
• 39:33
  Did you say something like that? Or you went in an eighth and
• 39:36
  then came out 9th? But you, you felt good and you
• 39:39
  saw the people around you start to tail off a little bit.
• 39:42
  How much of your racing in an elite race is based around a pre
• 39:47
  race strategy and pacing? And how much of it is I just
• 39:51
  need to race what's in front of me?
• 39:52
  I'm no longer racing the clock, I'm racing the the guys here.
• 39:55
  How much of it is like, is there a point in the race where you
• 39:58
  go, I'm going to pace up until here and then I'm just going to
• 40:00
  pull the pin based off how I feel?
• 40:02
  Or what's your approach when you go into a race like that?
• 40:05
  So Melbourne specifically, I knew that the only thing I
• 40:10
  needed was that third place. Like there was no no time, no
• 40:15
  anything, just that third position.
• 40:18
  And I knew that there was going to be a lot of pressure from the
• 40:25
  get go from Tim and Hunter and they were going to go out really
• 40:28
  hot and the majority of the field getting caught up in the
• 40:33
  whole experience. We're going to try and follow
• 40:35
  them and I think it's very telling that the two guys that
• 40:39
  were at the back of the field were John Wynn and Bo Wills, who
• 40:43
  are two of the most experienced guys and they know don't go out
• 40:47
  too hot, don't get sucked into it.
• 40:50
  And that's what I knew I needed to do.
• 40:52
  I knew that I'm not going to let them get too much of A lead, or
• 40:58
  at least I'm not going to let 3rd place get too much of A lead
• 41:00
  because I was. Kind of like a disconcerting
• 41:02
  place to because you're like, it's such a mature decision to
• 41:05
  be able to make, but it's like almost scary that you're like
• 41:07
  letting them go, but you're like, I need to just, they can
• 41:10
  do their thing and I'm just going to sit and wait.
• 41:13
  Yeah, and like I think off if you take the burpees out to the
• 41:20
  finish line, I was the fastest guy.
• 41:23
  I beat Hunter and Tim from the burpees out to the finish line
• 41:29
  and now I know that I can finish strong and my war balls are much
• 41:34
  better now projects up for if you've watched my latest YouTube
• 41:39
  video, my war balls are a lot better now and now I just need
• 41:45
  to at world champs be willing to risk it to win it.
• 41:49
  I don't need to play it safe. I just need to be able to follow
• 41:53
  Alex, Tim and Hunter. So a question that I've got is
• 41:57
  historically, Hunter obviously been very successful in the
• 41:59
  sport. He's always gone pretty quick.
• 42:01
  He's known for being one of the fastest skier like skiers in
• 42:05
  general in the sport and sort of trying to hold sub 1:40 to that
• 42:10
  kind of thing. And then you've got Tim, who
• 42:12
  especially in the last couple of years has gone off quick on the
• 42:15
  runs. And then Alex also comes out of
• 42:17
  the gate like absolutely stomping round.
• 42:21
  Do you think over the next few months you might toy with some
• 42:24
  different strategies because, you know, I mean, you kind of
• 42:26
  know where you're finishes, like you're feeling good.
• 42:28
  The next big thing for you, having already qualified to
• 42:29
  Stockholm, is Stockholm. As much as there are other races
• 42:32
  on the way, do you think you're going to try and use those as
• 42:34
  opportunities to try different things out?
• 42:35
  Or are you basically going to lock down on what you think your
• 42:38
  best strategy is and just practice the hell out of it?
• 42:42
  I In certain races I will risk going out harder and in certain
• 42:48
  races I'll actually to try going out easier and then really
• 42:52
  trying to kick in the middle of the race, like at the pool, the
• 42:58
  burpees, the row, and then seeing where I end up at the
• 43:01
  end. But there's a whole thing in
• 43:04
  like if you look at any elite endurance sport like cycling,
• 43:07
  running, triathlon, there's the whole phrase of once the elastic
• 43:12
  snaps and it's a it's a very tough position being with
• 43:18
  someone like on that first run on the ski and then they pull
• 43:23
  away. And I think at worlds I'm going
• 43:27
  to have to be comfortable with that may be happening.
• 43:30
  And then me coming back later in the race, because I know that
• 43:37
  Tim Hunter, they're going to pull a much stronger and even
• 43:41
  Alex as well and probably Hitty to everyone are going to pull
• 43:46
  like a sub 140 ski. At least two of them will
• 43:49
  probably pull that split. And I'm not going to do that.
• 43:52
  No matter how fit I get in the next four months, I'm not going
• 43:56
  to go out that hot. So I'm just need to mentally be
• 43:59
  comfortable with allowing them to get that gap.
• 44:05
  I think that's answered the question, I think.
• 44:06
  I think. I'm conscious of time, but I'm
• 44:09
  going to ask another question because this is something that I
• 44:12
  picked up from your YouTube and it was going into this year's
• 44:15
  season and you're kind of like you spoke about.
• 44:18
  You had a period, I think it was in the summer, where you
• 44:20
  basically did no High Rock specific training.
• 44:22
  It was a lot of strength work. You did a lot of running and
• 44:25
  then a lot of biking, which I think everyone saw in your
• 44:27
  social media. And then you race like the
• 44:30
  hybrid games or something in Newcastle, maybe eye opener and
• 44:33
  we're like actually do need to do some hierarchy specific, but
• 44:36
  was your first race GDANCE is that is?
• 44:39
  That first solo race with GDANCE.
• 44:40
  But you, you say on that you're like, I'm going into that really
• 44:43
  confident. I know I'm going to be good.
• 44:46
  How much do you like attribute your performance to a mental
• 44:50
  attitude over like a physical? Obviously we know physical is
• 44:55
  going to play a part, but do you reckon your mental and you
• 44:58
  mentioned it in Phoenix as well, You're like, I didn't want
• 45:01
  people to know that. I was like, I'll because I want
• 45:03
  to mentally just be strong, see what I do.
• 45:05
  Like. How much do you attribute your
• 45:07
  performance of being mentally tough?
• 45:10
  I think it's as important once you get to the elite level as
• 45:16
  like it is physical. And over the past, I'd say nine
• 45:23
  months, I've kind of really extrinsically like being
• 45:30
  extrinsically motivated in a good sense.
• 45:33
  And when I'm racing, like I know that there's so many people that
• 45:37
  would love to be doing what I'm doing.
• 45:39
  And the least I can do is give 100% in that moment because if
• 45:45
  like I'm, I'm not a celebrity, I'm not big, but I've got a lot
• 45:48
  of people who I now inspire. And if they see me giving up in
• 45:53
  a race, that's not good for anyone.
• 45:56
  And there's people out there who might not be able to walk, they
• 46:00
  might like not be able to financially do this.
• 46:04
  And I think for me, that's been the biggest thing more than my
• 46:08
  training is. And now when it gets really hard
• 46:13
  and it really hurts, I know that those people out there who would
• 46:17
  love to be choosing to be in that pain because there's a lot
• 46:21
  of people who are in pain and can't choose it.
• 46:24
  And the least I can do is keep on going.
• 46:26
  And I think that's. Take it for granted, right?
• 46:28
  Which is like such a a wholesome way of looking at it.
• 46:31
  So mature and like just so almost like PR trained, but like
• 46:35
  just thinking logically, honestly, like that's a lot of
• 46:37
  what it is. And at the end of the day, I
• 46:39
  can't, I think it might have been James Kelly who said that
• 46:41
  like, you're going to cross that line and in two minutes you're
• 46:43
  going to be OK. Literally.
• 46:45
  And it's like the guy and girl who wins is going to be the one
• 46:50
  who can endure the pain because the Hyrox is now at that level
• 46:53
  where physically a lot of people are going to be very similarly
• 46:58
  stacked. And it's who who has that mental
• 47:01
  edge where they can just hurt. And Hunter McIntyre is in.
• 47:04
  Hyrox has been kind of the biggest guy when it comes to
• 47:08
  that. Yeah, and the Taurus, they get
• 47:10
  it if you see his. Face in some of the races you
• 47:12
  can tell he is in a world of pain and he's still, what, 20
• 47:14
  minutes to go? And he's just like, fine with
• 47:17
  that, yeah. And it's being comfortable in
• 47:20
  discomfort that kind of separates the great athletes
• 47:23
  from the greatest athletes. And I think that's the same in
• 47:27
  every sport. If you look at the best marathon
• 47:29
  runners, they can just dig. And even if you look at the best
• 47:33
  ultra marathon runners, like at the the Barkley Marathons,
• 47:36
  Paris, what's her? I can't remember a surname, but
• 47:39
  the girl who, yeah. Like, she was hurting from what,
• 47:44
  like so early in that race, but she kept on going.
• 47:47
  And I think that's what separates the best athletes from
• 47:51
  the like, the greatest athletes. Surely I plug Endure by Alex
• 47:55
  Hutchinson at this point. Again, go for it, it's a great
• 47:57
  book. The greatest book if you want to
• 47:59
  learn about the relationship between like your psyche and and
• 48:03
  your physiological. But yeah, endure by Alex
• 48:07
  Hutchinson. That's all I need to say on it.
• 48:09
  You've kind of pulled us away from the conversation, so I'm
• 48:10
  going to use the fact. That you've pulled us away so.
• 48:12
  What we normally do actually earlier on in the episodes, but
• 48:15
  we're going to come back to, is Grime My Gears.
• 48:18
  This is a totally different direction to what we were just
• 48:21
  on, but for those of you listening, this might be your
• 48:22
  favorite part of the podcast. Grime My Gears is where?
• 48:25
  We it's my favorite part. There we go.
• 48:27
  It's where we take suggestions from you guys.
• 48:29
  So if you've got 1 burning, please just message the podcast
• 48:32
  page. But basically, we just let loose
• 48:35
  on all the things that have been annoying us recently,
• 48:37
  particularly if they're in the fitness space.
• 48:40
  Charlie, I don't know if you've got any burning or if you want
• 48:41
  me to start off with some of the suspicious we've got.
• 48:43
  You start. OK, cool.
• 48:45
  We'll let you weigh in and we will promise to edit anything
• 48:47
  out that might get you cancelled.
• 48:50
  The first one that we have got is something that I'm going to
• 48:53
  jump on top of. We've had Roscoe, who's been a
• 48:55
  previous guest and we've done some podcasts with him messaging
• 48:58
  to say people that are on like out in public and are like face
• 49:01
  timing or speaker phoning without headphones.
• 49:04
  And I'm going to layer on top of that, just in general using your
• 49:07
  phone, like if you're watching TikTok or something on loud in
• 49:09
  public, what are we doing? What are you doing?
• 49:13
  People that have their phone on loud so that everyone in the
• 49:16
  entire post code can understand that they have got text messages
• 49:20
  like I'm on Love Island, but they might as well just put
• 49:22
  their hand up and go, I've got a text, I've got a text.
• 49:25
  Everyone comes over and looks at their phone.
• 49:26
  Can we just have some like common decency and.
• 49:29
  Just no. That's that stressed me out
• 49:31
  enough. Not a fan of it at all.
• 49:34
  No, I agree with that one. Like.
• 49:37
  Everyone's got headphones. I was in the quiet carriage on
• 49:40
  the way here and that's. Criminal if you're in the quiet
• 49:44
  carriage and they're doing. It there was a little man on his
• 49:47
  phone calling another little man and I was like this I've, I'm
• 49:53
  socially awkward. I can never go up someone and
• 49:55
  say, please, can you turn that down?
• 49:57
  And I was like, this is a quiet carriage and you're calling your
• 50:00
  phone out loud. I don't need to hear about your
• 50:02
  business calls. Yes, you're in a suit.
• 50:05
  Yes, you probably make millions of pounds.
• 50:07
  This is a quiet carriage. Some people are trying.
• 50:09
  To spend the millions of pounds on headphones or a first class.
• 50:11
  Ticket. But maybe they just want people
• 50:13
  to know that they're important. But you're in a quiet carriage
• 50:16
  for a reason. I hate that.
• 50:19
  I hate that. The next one I've got, we're
• 50:20
  going to actually roll back to CrossFit 26.1.
• 50:24
  Adam message in saying the wobble standards and judging
• 50:27
  this year has been atrocious. I think that's also a hierarch
• 50:30
  prevalent problem, but he was just complaining.
• 50:32
  I don't know if we need to necessarily weigh on it because
• 50:34
  it's a hard thing to judge. And we might go down a rabbit
• 50:37
  hole if we do as well. I'll be careful and see.
• 50:40
  OK, go on. Do you want to do you want to
• 50:41
  weigh on it? No, just want to avoid.
• 50:42
  OK, we'll just avoid. The next one that I've got is a
• 50:46
  similar note from Who's Oh no, they want to remain anonymous.
• 50:51
  Careful. CrossFit 26.1 being
• 50:53
  unfinishable. But it wasn't.
• 50:56
  It was, but for for like the majority, it was.
• 50:59
  Yeah, but I, I, I, I, I. That was an elite athlete.
• 51:03
  It's not impossible, but for the person who's probably
• 51:06
  complaining about it, it was impossible.
• 51:08
  Do you know what I mean? If 50% of the professional
• 51:12
  athlete contingency that got invited to do the 26.1
• 51:15
  announcement, 50% of them didn't finish, I can understand why
• 51:19
  you're annoyed at it. But you've got a program for the
• 51:22
  best, and then whatever happens, happens.
• 51:24
  This leads me on to one of my grind my.
• 51:26
  Gears. Come on, let's have it.
• 51:27
  The fact that he's pointing at me is really worrying, no?
• 51:30
  No, because you make a very good .0 Cool, an honest person.
• 51:35
  I'm sure you're lovely, but it's called a competition for a
• 51:39
  reason, because you're competing.
• 51:41
  And one thing that is annoying me is people complaining, and
• 51:47
  this might just be me, but people complaining that a
• 51:49
  competition is too hard or that a competition is too
• 51:52
  competitive. Like for instance, high rocks,
• 51:57
  because I am on topic, I am a high rocks athlete.
• 52:03
  Like people complaining that like if you do a men's pro race
• 52:10
  and like now with the new system that there's loads of elite guys
• 52:14
  doing the men's pro races. Oh, like I can't get on the
• 52:18
  podium now. And it's like what?
• 52:20
  The solution is to get better. Yeah, and it's like and like,
• 52:23
  and I know he's high Rocks is a sport for everyone and I don't
• 52:26
  want to get cancelled, but it's like it's not just in High
• 52:30
  Rocks. It's like in in marathons now,
• 52:32
  like you, you're competing against everyone and a lot of
• 52:36
  people, a lot of people don't like the fact that they can't be
• 52:43
  at the top or not they can't be at the top.
• 52:47
  But people, like a lot of people, struggle to remember
• 52:52
  that a competition is a competition and everyone is
• 52:54
  there to win and everyone there wants to win or do well or win
• 52:58
  and however they see winning this.
• 53:03
  Is this is similar to like the 75 hard?
• 53:05
  I don't know if you're going to say that.
• 53:06
  It's like people complaining that 75 hard is too high.
• 53:09
  Yeah, we did touch on that. No, I was going to bring up, we
• 53:11
  already spoke about the Barclay Marathon.
• 53:12
  But the Barclay Marathon notoriously in its design and I
• 53:14
  can't remember the guy who like runs it and designs it, Cool
• 53:18
  guy. Every time it gets finished, it
• 53:20
  gets harder. So in 2025, which we were just
• 53:23
  talking about, when 5 people finished it, he made it harder.
• 53:28
  2026, no one finished it. So like, is that competition too
• 53:32
  hard or has everyone just got to get better?
• 53:34
  Yeah, and it's like it. That is the beauty and essence
• 53:37
  of competing. It's meant to be hard.
• 53:39
  And push you to get better as a result, right?
• 53:41
  And if, if you never get to the top or you never finish it, just
• 53:47
  know knowing that you did everything in your power to
• 53:50
  potentially get to the top or to potentially finish it is enough.
• 53:55
  Like I, I want to be the high rocks world champion.
• 53:57
  I want to be the high Rocks world champion five times.
• 54:00
  I might never step on the podium at World Champs, but I'm going
• 54:04
  to do everything in my power there.
• 54:06
  And if I don't make it, I'll be happy knowing that I gave
• 54:10
  everything. And I think that is the beauty
• 54:12
  of competition. But it's also like.
• 54:13
  You want to do it beating the others at their best as well.
• 54:18
  It's like you don't want just want to have like a go and walk
• 54:20
  through. You can win.
• 54:21
  It's like I want to earn it kind of thing.
• 54:23
  And that's that's kind of like what you're complaining about.
• 54:25
  It's too hard. Just get better, yeah?
• 54:29
  I've got I've got two more written in.
• 54:31
  The first one is political. We won't stand on it for too
• 54:33
  long, but Level 1 personal trainers in Dubai giving World
• 54:37
  War three advice. That one came from Harry, who
• 54:40
  used to be in the military himself.
• 54:42
  I. Think that's funny?
• 54:43
  That's quite funny. That's quite funny.
• 54:45
  The next one is this one came from Eleanor.
• 54:49
  It's not fitness related but I rate it so I've included it.
• 54:52
  Thank you Eleanor for the submission.
• 54:54
  Pancake Day was recently. One of the best days in the
• 54:57
  world. One of the best days in the
• 54:58
  world. If you like pancakes.
• 55:00
  Do you not like pancakes? No.
• 55:02
  You're a grandma, get. Well, no, I like pancakes.
• 55:04
  I don't like craps. Oh, controversial.
• 55:07
  Still a grandma get. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't, we
• 55:09
  shouldn't touch on that. I'm not removing that from the
• 55:11
  podcast though. People need to know that about.
• 55:13
  It yeah, for sure I. Got food poisoning from craps
• 55:15
  and I can never look at them in the same I'm.
• 55:16
  Going to make you some. Craps.
• 55:18
  He won't eat them. The last one is that every year
• 55:25
  when Pancake Day comes around, they sell pancake frying pans in
• 55:28
  the supermarkets and every year two days after Pancake Day you
• 55:32
  just see them outside the front of people's house to go in the
• 55:34
  bin and it's so wasteful. I can't say I've seen that, have
• 55:37
  you not? No, they're like the tiny little
• 55:39
  skinny ones for making crepes and they're like non stick pans.
• 55:42
  They work once basically and they're like 1 LB. 99 I thought
• 55:45
  you were going to say the marketing strategy.
• 55:49
  It's just a frying pan. I mean it is but like.
• 55:52
  Why are you selling it as a pancake?
• 55:53
  It's literally A1 use frying pan and it is pissed down and off
• 55:56
  and I actually kind of vibe with it.
• 55:57
  I don't. Like waste.
• 55:58
  Yeah, I just haven't seen it. It's like there was a meme that
• 56:02
  or a meme video that went quite viral that was lemon juice.
• 56:07
  And it's like a guy, a guy pulls out the lemon juice from the
• 56:10
  cupboard. Oh, it's hard to date.
• 56:11
  Pop the shops and get some more for pancakes next year.
• 56:15
  Oh, Saturday, pops the shop. And then doesn't it?
• 56:17
  Doesn't he like move? And then he moves in and they
• 56:20
  find. It the lemon juice and it's
• 56:21
  like, Oh yeah, should probably pop to the shop now.
• 56:24
  I thought that that got really deep, didn't it, That whole.
• 56:27
  Yeah, because it's like his whole.
• 56:28
  Family eating on his. Wife and then like someone died
• 56:30
  and. That was that was wild.
• 56:32
  It was a story. I was actually quite locked in
• 56:34
  that it was a masterpiece. You've been quiet.
• 56:38
  You've got any ground my git? I, I, I do have one.
• 56:43
  Do you know when? I don't know if this is going to
• 56:45
  upset a lot of people, People training and they're like
• 56:47
  training hard. And then they'll post about it
• 56:49
  on their Instagram and they'll say like some caption in the
• 56:53
  trenches. And I'm like.
• 56:55
  Oh yeah, or like going to war with myself.
• 56:58
  God, that's a bit close to home at the moment.
• 57:00
  Even me. Honest.
• 57:01
  Yeah, but. Yeah, I don't think I hate that
• 57:05
  phrase. Yeah, I'm not.
• 57:06
  I'm not vibing with. That phrase, you weren't in the
• 57:08
  trenches, you were in a pure gym right close to a ski erg.
• 57:12
  And I think that's probably what it was.
• 57:14
  That was. Tough.
• 57:15
  Well, the next part of the the podcast, which people typically
• 57:18
  seem to enjoy is we do a game section at the end.
• 57:21
  And I have been telling Charlie that he's going to love this.
• 57:24
  A few episodes ago, if you haven't listened, we mentioned
• 57:28
  that we were going to do a Price is Right game where basically
• 57:33
  I'm going to start reading out certain pieces of sports
• 57:35
  equipment and these guys. So Charlie and Charles are going
• 57:39
  to go head to head to see who can get closest that.
• 57:41
  Could be a segment Charlie versus Charles.
• 57:43
  Charlie versus Charles. Charlie versus Charles.
• 57:45
  As long as it's not fitness related.
• 57:47
  OK. So I'm going to each give you a
• 57:50
  piece of sporting equipment and I need you both to quickly guess
• 57:55
  what you think the price of that is, right?
• 57:58
  If you're listening to this or you're watching it play along at
• 58:00
  home, see if you can do better than those guys and if you do,
• 58:04
  then put it down in the comments once you subscribed I.
• 58:07
  Assume we're going in pounds. We are going in pounds.
• 58:09
  I've actually gone through the effort of converting for you
• 58:12
  both. So we're going to start off like
• 58:15
  I said, we've got to keep this relatively quick because I think
• 58:17
  I've got like 12 to get through perfect.
• 58:19
  I will tell you the answer as soon as you have both responded.
• 58:22
  You can respond in whatever order you want, OK?
• 58:26
  Or do you want me to force you to take it in turn so there's no
• 58:28
  advantage? Maybe that's a better way of
• 58:30
  doing. It you're going to Charlie,
• 58:32
  you're going to go first because you're the guest.
• 58:35
  OK. So the first one that's helpful,
• 58:37
  I don't think it is the first one that we have got is a an
• 58:40
  official Olympic curling stone. Which are all made on the same
• 58:45
  island they. Are the same company case.
• 58:48
  This guy already knows. An official Olympic standard
• 58:53
  curling stone would be 1500 Great British pounds.
• 58:59
  OK. That's more higher.
• 59:01
  Than I was going to. Go.
• 59:01
  What are you going to go for? But they are like, do you know
• 59:05
  what they're made of? I believe it's granite.
• 59:07
  It is fresh granite. And then they've also got the
• 59:09
  sensors in there for the handles that we spoke about.
• 59:11
  Last hey, you're giving them extra information after I've
• 59:13
  answered. Yeah, I know, but I'm just.
• 59:15
  I'm also the most. Qualifying your that's yeah,
• 59:17
  well, that's, that's made me think now it's more expensive.
• 59:20
  I'm, well, I was going to go cheaper and now I'll go in the
• 59:25
  middle of 1000. OK, you you do win this round.
• 59:28
  It is 720 to 750 lbs. Damn it.
• 59:32
  What's also crazy, by the way, we're talking about
• 59:34
  sustainability with fine hands. They don't reuse them.
• 59:38
  Every Winter Olympics. They get sent back and these
• 59:40
  guys go and make ornaments that you can buy on their website.
• 59:42
  So if you want to buy a real part of a curling stone, you can
• 59:44
  do. But why they don't reuse them
• 59:45
  when they just stone? No idea.
• 59:46
  Barney Brand with like the the year of the Olympics.
• 59:49
  Surely we just do that as a sticker.
• 59:51
  Yeah, it could be. Anyway, next one.
• 59:54
  So actually we had some questions about this.
• 59:56
  Your favorite race shoe. Do you want to answer that very
• 59:59
  quickly so I can? Streak.
• 1:00:01
  Fly the Nike Streak Fly 2 is it? Yes, Yes.
• 1:00:06
  OK, So officially on the Nike website, how much is a Nike
• 1:00:10
  Streak Fly 2? Charles, you're up first.
• 1:00:13
  He doesn't have to buy his Of course he's not going to know
• 1:00:17
  the streak fly. On the official website.
• 1:00:20
  They're carbons, yeah. At the time At the time of
• 1:00:23
  writing. At the time of recording.
• 1:00:25
  Recording. I'm going to go.
• 1:00:29
  It's got to be between like 195 and 220.
• 1:00:32
  Let's just split the 2200, OK? £109.99.
• 1:00:38
  Charlie's gone low. See I got mine from the official
• 1:00:41
  Nike store before Christmas for £99.99 which is an unreal,
• 1:00:44
  unreal deal. World under 99.
• 1:00:46
  However the current price on the Nike store IS16499 in very row
• 1:00:52
  colour ways. So Charles actually does win.
• 1:00:55
  However if you are really interested and you've been
• 1:00:57
  wanting to try some Charlie's She's I will let you know.
• 1:00:59
  There are alternative places you can get them for a lot cheaper
• 1:01:02
  in more normal colours. The next question.
• 1:01:05
  Tough for the program the. Next question and I will.
• 1:01:07
  I will also preface. I thought they're still on
• 1:01:09
  discount? Charlie is obviously a Nike
• 1:01:12
  athlete, but the next question I have got is how much is a pair
• 1:01:16
  of high socks grip socks? On though, where he has to go
• 1:01:21
  first. You have to.
• 1:01:22
  You have to go 1st and guess. £14.99. £14.99.
• 1:01:28
  That's it. I was going to say like £15.
• 1:01:31
  Well, it's great because they sponsor, you know your stuff.
• 1:01:33
  They are exactly 15 lbs. However, if you want to get
• 1:01:35
  yourself some high socks, grip socks, you can save 15% using
• 1:01:39
  code mindsets. See I I applied the mindsets
• 1:01:42
  discount code so technically I should win that.
• 1:01:44
  There you go £12.70. Five and save 1P.
• 1:01:47
  Charlie takes the win because everyone listening to this will
• 1:01:50
  be using that to get their grips.
• 1:01:52
  You can have the point for that, even though I was the first ever
• 1:01:55
  ambassador. Fun fact.
• 1:01:56
  There we go. I was high socks first ever
• 1:01:59
  ambassador. Wow, how did we get here?
• 1:02:01
  That's crazy. Way back in 2024.
• 1:02:05
  Wow. Well, if he's when he was on
• 1:02:06
  with us, the. 1st if that's if it's a high rocks journey,
• 1:02:09
  there's anything to go by then. Big things for the podcast, you
• 1:02:11
  guys might as well buy in now. OK, so the next thing, F1 tyre 1
• 1:02:17
  singular F1 tyre. I'm first, you are first.
• 1:02:20
  We've spoken about this before and you said some stupid number
• 1:02:23
  that I didn't believe based off what a normal.
• 1:02:26
  Pirelli tyre, by the way, AP. One is it?
• 1:02:29
  No, it's. Just a.
• 1:02:30
  Pirelli, maybe that's what's on my side.
• 1:02:32
  I'm going to. Say that's on my bike.
• 1:02:34
  If there are anything to go by, these tyres are expensive.
• 1:02:37
  I'm going to say like 500 quid, £500.
• 1:02:44
  I'll go. I'll go with 501 lbs.
• 1:02:48
  Play the game. Charlie takes the win.
• 1:02:49
  It is £2000 per tyre, which means every time they stop it's
• 1:02:53
  8 grand on tyres alone. So I did.
• 1:02:55
  You did say something like that before.
• 1:02:56
  I didn't believe it's insane. That's really expensive.
• 1:02:59
  That's. Terrible.
• 1:03:00
  I don't know if you guys will know what this means.
• 1:03:03
  An NFL Riddell Speedflex helmet if you buy it in the UK.
• 1:03:07
  Oh, I've got several real speedflex.
• 1:03:09
  This is the helmet I used to wear with.
• 1:03:10
  Helmets. It is a very common Charlie.
• 1:03:15
  You are first. I know the Ruddell.
• 1:03:18
  I'm going to go with 149 lbs. There's nuance because like a
• 1:03:28
  quarterback has like COM systems.
• 1:03:30
  I'm not going with that. I'm going if you wanted to buy
• 1:03:32
  the helmet for yourself. Does it vary dependent on head
• 1:03:35
  size? No, if you've got a massive head
• 1:03:37
  it's way more expensive and like no accessory visors or.
• 1:03:41
  No, no, no. Just you get the helmet in the
• 1:03:42
  face gauge. I stand.
• 1:03:44
  It'll be more expensive than that.
• 1:03:45
  I'm going to go like I'll be like £300.
• 1:03:49
  OK it IS49999500 quid it made me a very broke student but like I
• 1:03:55
  would have had concussion if I paid what I paid so it's worth
• 1:04:00
  it. Protect your head the next the
• 1:04:02
  next one I have got is and I couldn't find many of these
• 1:04:05
  online. So if you play polo, you can
• 1:04:07
  rinse me for using this website and a meter 5th a meter is the
• 1:04:12
  name of the brand 50 to 54 inch polo mallet.
• 1:04:18
  How much are we saying you're up first?
• 1:04:21
  Oh God, I I feel like even if it was cheap, because it's Polo,
• 1:04:27
  it's going to be more expensive. I'm going to say like for polo
• 1:04:33
  mallet, I'm going to go in hot with like again, £300.
• 1:04:39
  Let's just go £300. Based on that helmet one, it's
• 1:04:42
  got to be 400 or more. Oh, interesting, Charles, you
• 1:04:46
  take the win there, it's 115 lbs.
• 1:04:49
  But so you're throwing an egg around a field and you're
• 1:04:53
  smacking a ball on a horse, probably around some luxury
• 1:04:58
  estate and the equipment's. Cheaper, yeah, but you do have
• 1:05:01
  to buy the horse. Well, they're all they've all
• 1:05:03
  got their tax in different countries.
• 1:05:05
  So like they don't have much money on them at the time.
• 1:05:07
  So they just spend what they have they.
• 1:05:08
  All do very well at this. There's there's a chance you are
• 1:05:12
  you? Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:05:13
  I think there's one to do. With.
• 1:05:16
  OK, the next one, AZX 5 Zamboni. That is what they use to clean
• 1:05:24
  the ice hockey pictures. Yeah, I was going to say, I
• 1:05:28
  remember that from like a Disney movie I watched as a kid.
• 1:05:33
  Oh what? So it's like the.
• 1:05:34
  Yeah, the the the truck thing they drive around, how much is
• 1:05:37
  one of those? ZX5, by the way, is the latest
• 1:05:39
  model that's coming out. The price is speculative, but.
• 1:05:42
  5K OH. I'm good at least 10 grand a.
• 1:05:46
  $150,000 I didn't convert that one, but it just so you're
• 1:05:51
  aware, this one's a lithium ion battery, 760 litre water tank,
• 1:05:55
  200 by 100. Foot.
• 1:05:57
  Oh, it's got all the ring that. It can cover Oh, it's.
• 1:05:59
  What's the nought 60? Time.
• 1:06:00
  It's a beauty. I actually have that written
• 1:06:02
  down. It is never, but never makes it
• 1:06:05
  there. If you drop it from a plane.
• 1:06:10
  Do better research. That's.
• 1:06:12
  Always how when people ask what's your car's nought 60, I
• 1:06:15
  just reference if I dropped it from a plane.
• 1:06:17
  OK, I'm going. To which is what?
• 1:06:19
  Probably like 2 seconds rather rather than 13 1/2.
• 1:06:25
  I'm going to get really, really niche here.
• 1:06:28
  So I originally thought an an Olympic archery bow.
• 1:06:32
  Then upon trying to find the price of those, I found that you
• 1:06:35
  pretty much have to build one out.
• 1:06:36
  So I've gone for the recurve limbs, which is like the top and
• 1:06:40
  the bottom part. How much do you think a I'm
• 1:06:43
  going to quote here a win and win we are with NSG 2 would
• 1:06:48
  recurve limb. They are the best.
• 1:06:50
  Set would cost. You know what's really
• 1:06:53
  embarrassing now? One of my clients at the gym
• 1:06:57
  does archery and he told me about building your own bow and
• 1:07:02
  told me how much his cost. And.
• 1:07:04
  Now I can't remember because you like you have to build in
• 1:07:06
  weights and you've obviously got different poundage of bow and
• 1:07:09
  like different curve shapes. But that's Charlie's got to go
• 1:07:12
  first. Oh, I'm.
• 1:07:13
  Going to stop talking here, but you said wood.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah. Yeah, these ones are made of
• 1:07:17
  wood, but it's for a Yeah. So it's.
• 1:07:20
  Surely not. It's surely common.
• 1:07:21
  It's going to be, it's going to be like 2000 lbs at least.
• 1:07:25
  See, I was going to say 2K as well, so I'm going to say 2001
• 1:07:27
  lbs. Or he went the wrong way.
• 1:07:29
  Charlie, you take the win, £998.98 for those those recurve
• 1:07:36
  limbs alone. You still buy it, you still
• 1:07:39
  build it yourself. Next thing coming up,
• 1:07:41
  wheelchair, basketball wheelchair.
• 1:07:43
  You can get this in Decathlon apparently.
• 1:07:46
  And it's me up first. Yes, it is.
• 1:07:49
  Yeah. I'm I'm assuming they're like,
• 1:07:51
  they must be some parts of it fiberglass or like carbon fiber.
• 1:07:56
  I'm just I'm talking specifically about Decathlon 1.
• 1:07:59
  I'm going to go for 3 grand. OK.
• 1:08:07
  On a very quick side note, have you seen Lidl or releasing
• 1:08:11
  carbon fibre running? Shoes.
• 1:08:12
  Yes, I saw that this morning. Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  I don't know why I remember. I know a person.
• 1:08:16
  I'll sort you a pair. Perfect.
• 1:08:19
  He's not allowed. To no, no, no.
• 1:08:20
  I'll sort him a pair to look at. Oh cool.
• 1:08:22
  I'm going to go 755 lbs. £2799.99 Damn it Charles, you
• 1:08:33
  take the win. Crazy expensive, isn't it crazy?
• 1:08:35
  Expensive. We've got four more, so we're.
• 1:08:36
  Going to get through them, Decathlon.
• 1:08:37
  It might be cheaper, yeah. So did I.
• 1:08:39
  When it came up, I was like, that's quite a lot of money.
• 1:08:41
  Yeah, that's crazy. Fencing clothing.
• 1:08:46
  This hasn't got the sensors in it.
• 1:08:47
  This is just like, I can't. It's called.
• 1:08:49
  I've not written it down. It was a fancy name. 275 lbs.
• 1:08:54
  I'm not sure it's me first, but I'm going to go first.
• 1:08:55
  It was me first. OK, I don't want to admit that I
• 1:08:59
  used to do fencing. I don't know what to do with the
• 1:09:02
  information. You just said take, take, OK.
• 1:09:05
  As you will. I'm going to say like £150.
• 1:09:09
  Charlie takes to win 195 lbs from Excalibur Sport.
• 1:09:11
  What did you say? No, he.
• 1:09:13
  Takes you said 200 and you 2. 175.
• 1:09:16
  Oh, OK. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 1:09:20
  I should have just. I should have just let angers.
• 1:09:21
  Yeah, I. Wasn't having that.
• 1:09:23
  Last two, a baseball plate specifically from pro baseball
• 1:09:27
  shop. There's definitely cheaper
• 1:09:29
  options out there because you could buy one that's made of
• 1:09:31
  paper, but like we're talking about one which you could like,
• 1:09:33
  it's mine. Yeah, I have no idea what
• 1:09:35
  they're even made of. They look like this is.
• 1:09:37
  A home plate. £300 a. £100. One penny off mate £99.99 you
• 1:09:48
  know your baseball. I know my baseball base.
• 1:09:50
  The second to last one. I'm moving to 2nd to last
• 1:09:54
  because it is partially political.
• 1:09:56
  How much does an F15 fighter jet cost?
• 1:09:59
  Or Europe. £50 million. The guys, I was going to guess
• 1:10:08
  exactly the same. So I'm going to say I'm going to
• 1:10:11
  up it. Might as well just say like
• 1:10:13
  75,000,000. £67,000,000 on $90,000,000 So every time you
• 1:10:17
  see one of those go down because of governments being silly,
• 1:10:19
  that's what. That's why you can't buy a
• 1:10:21
  house. 67,000,000 lbs Sixty. £7 million for one.
• 1:10:25
  So working that out realistically, it's like Dominic
• 1:10:30
  Solanke is the same as a yeah, F50 fights, yeah.
• 1:10:33
  Yeah, yeah, wicked. But there aren't like hundreds
• 1:10:36
  of Dominic Solankeys flying around the world at the moment,
• 1:10:39
  as far as I'm aware Anyway. Now this one's going to be a
• 1:10:42
  complete tangent as a question, but it is a great question.
• 1:10:47
  Charlie is a big fan and a big reviewer of a chicken Balti pie
• 1:10:51
  at football stadiums. He's actually got an entire list
• 1:10:54
  ranking them. We might save that for the next
• 1:10:56
  episode or talk about it another time.
• 1:10:58
  However, what I want to know is how much is a chicken balti pie
• 1:11:02
  at Wrexham Football Club from the Pied Piper?
• 1:11:07
  I will also caveat that this isn't currently on their menu,
• 1:11:09
  but all their pies are the same price.
• 1:11:11
  It's my turn, right? Football pie.
• 1:11:14
  Football pie. Chicken balti price in a
• 1:11:16
  stadium, so I don't know how much I'd pay for a pie normally.
• 1:11:21
  I'm not a big pie guy. I'm going to say 3. 5350. 449.
• 1:11:31
  Charlie, you take the win, it's £4.05.
• 1:11:34
  I think I I thought it might be 4 lbs that's why I went for
• 1:11:38
  4:49. Nice, Very, very nice.
• 1:11:39
  Well, I'm not even sure what the scores are.
• 1:11:42
  They're I've probably put them on the screen, but that's the
• 1:11:45
  the conclusion of that game 84. To you.
• 1:11:48
  I never, I never see anyone competitive.
• 1:11:50
  You can track exactly. Well, that's why.
• 1:11:53
  Guesstimate the benefit for Charlie in this one and for you
• 1:11:55
  guys at home if you didn't do better.
• 1:11:57
  Neither of them is. This, as I've said, is part one
• 1:12:00
  of two episodes. So we will be doing a different
• 1:12:02
  game which you might be able to take these guys on at.
• 1:12:05
  I think I'm going to be playing it next time, so we'll get into
• 1:12:07
  that. But that's what rounds off
• 1:12:10
  episode 1 of this little two-part series.
• 1:12:12
  Charlie, if you've got anything to say before we let them go for
• 1:12:15
  a week before they can come back for the next one.
• 1:12:19
  I hope that Glasgow and London went well for me and if you're
• 1:12:22
  racing in it, I hope it went well for you.
• 1:12:25
  What a guy. If you want to find Charlie on
• 1:12:27
  any socials, you can find him at.
• 1:12:31
  Charlie dot Botterel. There we go.
• 1:12:33
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• 1:12:38
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• 1:12:41
  involved with the grind my gears or if you've got topics you want
• 1:12:43
  us to talk about with other guests or just between myself
• 1:12:45
  and Charles, do send them in. We read all of those messages
• 1:12:48
  and we appreciate every single one.
• 1:12:50
  So unless there's anything else from you, Charles?
• 1:12:52
  Don't think so. Look forward to seeing you all
• 1:12:54
  in the next episode.