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London Boxer Wins National Championship After Watching His Dad Fight · Off the Bench - London

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And gentlemen, allow us to reintroduce your hosts,
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yeah. Make sure you have it up there just in
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case. You never know. Just in case they're listening.
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Those brands are always listening. Anything can
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happen. I feel like you probably wear too much
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red for Pepsi. But, hey, anything's possible.
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They could convert you. They could convert me.
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But then I'd have to change my red shirt, the
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red kicks. Yeah. Hey, you know what I mean? Like,
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that's tough. I've been buying a lot of blue
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lately. Oh! Yeah, 5KM in blue. Okay, okay. I
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think this is going to be the first time I'm
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actually repping up Red Corner. Yeah, why not?
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And you've been wanting that. Yes. mental games
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with everyone else. So it is what it is. It's
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fun. Another episode. We're at it again. Yeah,
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back at it. 31? 31 or 32. No, 32. So every week
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we're getting better and better. But you know
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what's funny? We've got another chair empty.
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We've always got another chair now. So, you know,
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I think it's, you know what? Last time we had
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a guest, we had Glenn. Then before that, we had
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Gus, who was, like, perfect for Punch Out That
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Mask, because a person with that mask actually
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talked to us and, like, giving us some information
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on what people with that mask and so forth. And
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then we had other boxers and other people. But
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we've been missing one thing. What are we missing?
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You know, we've had people who've done amateur
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boxing, but not at national level, if you know
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what I mean. Yeah, I think we're getting to it.
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So I would like to invite a national champion
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to the hot seat. Yeah. Mr. Cassius. Get on in
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here. Big boys in the building. How you doing,
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man? I'm good. How are you? And don't worry,
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this is a non -alcoholic. It is non -alcoholic.
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How are you? I'm good. How are you guys? Good,
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good. Fantastic. Thank you for taking the time
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to join us. Thank you for having me. Yeah. We
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want to hear all about what it's like being a
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national champion. It feels the same as I did
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before. You get it done, you think it's going
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to be some big thing, but you just feel good
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about yourself. You go back to training. Keep
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the grind going. Just keep doing what you're
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doing. So, I've got to say, I've known you for
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about three years now. Yeah. Your grow up is
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crazy right now. And what I mean by that is three
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years ago, I remember you, you were a lot shorter
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then. You were more shy then. Yeah. And like
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you weren't even into boxing then. So you just
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got into boxing three years ago? Two. So what
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got you into boxing? I always loved the sport.
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Like I would watch and kind of just watch boxing
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that was on at the time. But my dad did the charity
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event that Malcolm did as well in 2023. And my
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parents were never like kind of pushing the idea
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of wanting me to get punched in the face. So
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then once my dad went to Boomers and he met the
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coaches, met the people, realized for himself
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that they kind of build you up into it. Then
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he started to let me go. And just from there,
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it's like a drive. We want to get better. Always
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things to learn. I feel like he brought you out
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because he's like, oh, this would be really good
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for fitness. Yeah. Boost your confidence. And
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then all of a sudden you're just like super good
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at it. Yeah. Well, I just love going. So I was
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just like, I would go every time he went, I would
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take videos of him, watch the sparring. Yeah.
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Try and hit the bag in the corner. Just do anything.
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And just like, I just love being there, the environment.
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Like going back three years ago, can you tell
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us how you actually felt watching your dad go
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through that, like that hard training at Bumos?
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It was. Probably one of the best times I've had
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in my life. Just going every day to watch him,
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see him do stuff. You always think of your dad
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as your top guy. It's like you're seeing him
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train to fight and all that. It's cool. I'd never
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really been around a gym environment, even though
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I really liked the sport. So just seeing people
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fight, spar, it was cool for me and I liked it
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a lot. Well, for sure. It's crazy that he signed
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up for a charity event. And then you just you're
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just like, oh, dad, I'm interested in this. I
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want to go check it out. And you just stick around
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like half. Well, you know, a lot of boxing is
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just make sure you show up. Yeah. So by showing
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up and just slowly soak it all in. And yeah,
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now you're better than everybody. Yeah. Crazy.
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What moment can you talk about? about like when
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your dad was training that really resonated with
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you that made you like you know what i really
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want to get into weight after seeing your dad
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just seeing how much you'd like persevere like
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there'd be days that he'd be sick or or you know
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have have sparring that was tough and he'd come
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back and he's always positive and like he's never
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pouty or whining about stuff so it's just like
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I just like that about the sport. Like, there's
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going to be days you go in the gym. Even now,
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like, you win a big tournament, but then there's
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always guys better than you. You go spar. You
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take some good shots or something. Someone gets
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the better of you. It's just about, like, you
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can't be perfect in the sport, not in any sport.
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So seeing him, like, just persevere through things,
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you know, just keep working at it. And that just
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kind of made me, like, excited. Like, I kind
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of want to do the same thing. Kind of just showed
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you, like, this is what you can do. And then
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now you're just like. taking it on and you're
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like okay i can work with this and then all of
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a sudden you like sprout like a foot yeah i feel
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like you took it on at like that perfect age
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yeah you're like in that like your body's growing
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so now you're doing all the trainings and i was
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growing in the right right state yeah yeah for
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sure now three years now we're moving forward
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talking about national championship what does
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it take to be like a national championship Canada?
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Like, yeah. So you just do like lots of tournaments
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and then slowly build up the rankings. So it's,
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it's, it's a lot of steps that like, I wasn't
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even like too aware of. Like I learned new steps
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as I go. Like I was never really given like a,
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like a handbook. Yeah. So you, you got to get
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like 11, 11 plus fights to be open class, which
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means you can then fight any, anyone. So I could
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have 12 fights, fight someone at the hundred.
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It's just like open once you get. Yeah. So, Then
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once you get 12 and up, you can do provincials,
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which happens like every October. And that's
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in Ontario. And if you get first or second in
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that, you then go to the nationals. And then,
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yeah, that's how you just got to progress your
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way through. But I mean, there was a lot of fights
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that kind of pushed me to get to that. Yeah.
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What was one of the hardest moments during your
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journal? I would say... I would say it's probably
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the Quebec Open of last year because I had done,
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I think it was three tournaments and I would
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always come to the finals and then I would lose
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in the finals in a really close fight. And that
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happened in Novice Tournament in 2024 late and
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then early 2025 and 2025 mid with Quebec. And
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I was just losing and getting silver and it's
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just like... You just wanted to get over that.
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Yeah, it's just like you kind of did like three
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tournaments. It's just kind of started getting
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annoying. And then just, yeah, you've got to
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keep persevering. And then I had one, I think,
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four tournaments. Was it the same guy? No, no,
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no, not the same guy. That's why I might split
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the score. No, I didn't have four tournament
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goals now in a row. Okay. You just persevere
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through things like that, you know? Yeah, I feel
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like getting, not winning the first few tournaments
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keeps that fuel going. Of course, yeah. Is when
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you, I don't know about you, but when I go into
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something and I'm just like really good at right
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off the hop, you'll almost lose interest in it
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quickly. Of course, yeah. Because you're like,
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oh, well, this isn't, there's no less of a drive.
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Yeah, of course. Like getting like stuck right
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at the, like you're at the top of the mountain
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and you're just like, I just can't get there.
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Yeah, yeah. No, I like being like challenged
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and like. those losses, like I go into the finals
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of other tournaments and I'm like, it almost
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makes me like angry. Like I want to like prove
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myself and, and win this. Cause I feel like if,
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if I was just winning all of them, I just, like
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you said, it gets boring, but like now, even
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now, like I think back to the, even though it's
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like a year ago, like still like you remember
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how you felt and like, it kind of just makes
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you like hungry. Like you want to eat the cake.
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That's good. Now, was there ever a point that
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you wanted to play? Uh, no. So like during your
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whole journey, you're like, no, I got this. Like,
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or no, there's always a few times. Like, uh,
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I remember one, I think it was my fifth fight.
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Um, I was like, cause I, I fought really early
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into my training. Cause I think two, a month
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or two in, I started fighting and, uh, it's just
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like, I lost, um, one of my fights that I was
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supposed to win against the guy and everyone
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was like kind of in my ear like you got this
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one and this guy sucks and and then you I got
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in I just fought like terribly and then I I just
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didn't even know if the source for me because
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I was like I Shouldn't be losing this guy. It's
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do you feel embarrassed and you're younger too.
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So it's just like but yeah that and then when
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I was younger as all like you start getting beat
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up and sparring and you know, yeah, it sucks
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but You start thinking, maybe go do a different
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sport. I totally get the whole not wanting to
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go in overconfident. In all sports, when there's
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a team that's like, you're definitely going to
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beat them. Don't worry about them. You almost
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look past them. Yeah. And you don't focus the
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same way you should. It's like how you find a
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lot of... MMA, boxing, like the champions, like
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they get that championship fatigue. Yeah. And
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they're like, they've won so many times in a
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row. They're not really game planning for these
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new up and comers. Everyone has to game plan
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for them. But eventually someone comes in and
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they just surprise you. Yeah. Now, how does it
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feel now? Because like what you've just done
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is crazy. You put London on the map again. Right?
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Like, what does it mean to you representing London
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in the boxing community now? And how many people
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think you're from London, England? I mean, like,
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London is, like, I always like doing stuff to
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kind of bring stuff back to London and also,
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like, represent boomers. Because boomers is,
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like, everything to me. Like, it's like a second
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home. So everyone I train with there, like, I
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always think that, like, I don't feel more deserving
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than my other friends who fight because I know,
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like, There's been times, like I said, where
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I have an off day and I don't perform to my best.
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And, you know, just because they don't perform
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their best doesn't mean like I'm any better than
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them. I always think of myself like bringing
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home a win. Like we had a few loss, close losses
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at that tournament who then they lost the guys
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who won the whole thing. So it was just like
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you kind of see your teammates not come up short
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and then you start getting like, OK, I want to
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bring it back to them because it becomes like
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a community thing. But yeah, I just always I
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like bringing stuff back to London. I'd be glad
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if other people maybe get interested in the sport
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as well. Well, now you're going to be a huge
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icon for younger generations, even older generations
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who are just trying to get into boxing, knowing
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that you just won nationals. And I have a question
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for you. Is it you won nationals or was it boomers
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that won nationals? Do you feel like this represents
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the training, the coaches, more than it represents
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you as an individual? No, it's 100 % boomers.
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like obviously I have to go do the thing but
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it's like I have my coaches behind me like I
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can't fight by myself and like my teammates being
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alongside like I sparred my two best sparring
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partners Yaz and Donner they're my two guys around
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my weight I sparred them like 24 -7 like a hundred
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times so it's like without them like I would
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be nothing and like without any the coaches or
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anything like I'd just be like completely useless
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That's why boxing is such an interesting sport
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that way. Because it's, like, technically it's
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an individual sport. But it's not. It's not.
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No. It's such a big team community atmosphere.
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That's why I like when people say it's a lonely
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sport and it's, like, one -man sport like it
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is. Lonely if you let it be lonely. Yeah. At
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the same time, like, you can't do stuff on your
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own, like, or else you're never going to get
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better. Like, you have guys around you that are
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always pushing you. Sure. Sure. Now, we could
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talk about, like. more about like you know individuals
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but like you have a coach that's been sticking
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with you and like has been growing as a coach
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and he's modeling his style of coaching through
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you and and so forth right yeah mr i call him
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mr box like he kind of brought boxing back to
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london in this like era yeah yeah uh and now
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he's taking the rope of being a coach like what
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does that mean to you I mean, Brett's like, he's
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been there since I was going to the Fight 10
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things. He's the first guy that's ever held pads
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for me. So he's been there since the beginning.
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And I think he's been in, I've had 18 fights.
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He's been in 17 of them. And the only time he
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wasn't there was he was in a different province.
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So he's just, he's always there showing up. Like,
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he's seen me since, like, literally everything.
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Like, winning, losing. He's just, yeah, like
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you said, like, he's been a big, big support
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with Lennon. helping with the tournaments and
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helping helping the other guys as well with with
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all the stuff he's always involved and yeah like
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he's been uh been there since uh i think his
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first time cornering a fight was like the night
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i had my first fight so no way yeah so that's
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crazy the night i had my first fight i think
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was his first time quartering so we both kind
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of started at the same time and then he's with
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me at nationals so it's it's crazy so he wasn't
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even cornering when uh during fight to end through
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your dad no So, like, you literally did grow
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up saying that. Yeah, I'm, like, fairly certain.
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Like, he could correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm
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pretty sure that his first ever time cornering
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was the Marconi Club at London when I had my
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first fight because he cornered an exhibition
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women's fight that was right before me. But his
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first actual sanctioned belt corner, I think,
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was me. Man, that's amazing. Yeah. Because, like,
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I'm not trying to, like, get ahead of anything,
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but the last time... I personally got to see
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a coach grow with an athlete. It was Damian Lerner.
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And now Damian Lerner is like a huge legend in
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London in the Olympics. And like seeing what
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Greg's doing with you and with you, like the
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community and the team that you guys are building,
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he's getting to that same level of like the type
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of coaches that London needs in the city for
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the youth to like get them to that next level
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and make them believe. And like, and you're a
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huge example of what, you know, what a good coach
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Ashley is. Yeah. Yeah, he's been there for everything,
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like, since the beginning. So it's just, it's
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great to have him around. He's always pushing
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me past what I think I can do, so. Wow. So the
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Nationals were where? Calgary? Calgary. Oh, I
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love Calgary. You told me. Okay, tell me about
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Calgary. Go ahead. Yeah, what was it like flying
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to, like, the other side of the country for a
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boxing tournament? I heard a lot of commotion
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about the altitude change. You told me the first
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breath I take off the plane, I'd cough because
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of how good the air was. It's so nice. A little
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bit. Okay. It is very good air. It's just getting
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used to it. I remember we did a workout the next
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day, and I was gassed. But my cardio was pretty
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good. We arrived Monday, and I fought Friday
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because I got a pie. So I ended up working really
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well. I didn't feel tired at all in either fight.
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So I think it's just giving some time for your
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body to get used to it. But, yeah, it's crazy.
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Like, that's what a lot of people like about
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boxing, too, is, like, it gives you opportunities
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to go places. I wouldn't have been to Calgary,
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like, probably not at 16 just for the fun of
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it. Right. Exactly. Like, the first time I was
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in, like, had gone anywhere, I was like. late
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20s when i went to the other side of the country
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so like yeah being able to do that at 16 that's
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crazy yeah and it's like being with like my friends
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and like all of us like doing the same thing
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and we're all like in in calgary together like
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it's like best experience probably best trip
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i've been That's stunning. Yeah. Is there anything
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that you guys did like outside of boxing? Oh,
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yeah. While you were in Calgary? Yeah, we went
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to Banff. Okay. Canmore. Okay. Canmore, Alberta.
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That was nice. And we went a lot like downtown
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area and ate food places. They got good food
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down there. Yeah, yeah, they do. And then as
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we were leaving. I'm assuming after you weighed
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in. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was great. There's
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a bunch of stuff to see. The Banff was crazy.
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We went on some gondola thing up the thing. It's
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crazy because when you go to Alberta, the one
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thing that I always say, as humans, we feel so
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insignificant because these mountains are huge
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and we're just small little people and these
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massive landscapes and the water's so fresh.
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I don't know, it's just, Alberta's just beautiful.
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Yeah. And my favorite hockey team's there, Calgary
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Flames, so. Oh, you're a Calgary guy. I'm a Calgary
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guy, so, like, you know, my Canadian team's Calgary,
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my American team's Detroit. So. He likes red.
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That's what we're getting at. That's why we're
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trying to get sponsored by Pepsi. Because it
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doesn't make sense. I overheard that, though,
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the red shirt. Yeah, I don't know. He just got
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red shoes? Yeah, yeah. We broke him. Now he's
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got two pairs of Jordans. Hey, it is what it
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is. Did you guys, while you were up there, did
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you guys get a chance to go to a hockey game
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or no? We did. We went to a Calgary game. Yes.
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Did they win or lose? They won. Thank you. I
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forgot about that. Yeah, that was the thing I
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forgot. We went to a, it was actually funny.
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I won the semifinal and then we went the night
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before the final. No way. We were just like eating.
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Like not, I wasn't eating anything, but I was
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just enjoying the game. Yeah. And, uh, but yeah,
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it was just like, we didn't get that home that
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late, but it was just kind of a weird mood, mood
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switch. But I get you. It was fun though. Took
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your mind off of like going into the forest.
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Yeah. You know, from overthinking it. Yeah. But
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I fought early the next day, like about like
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two o 'clock. So it was just, just got home and
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slept and. Okay. So. Going back to boxing, what's
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your preparation? What do you do before a fight?
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Do you have a playlist set? What's your routine?
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Normally, I wake up and I listen to a lot of
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music. So on the way to weigh -ins, I'm not normally
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too talkative. I'm just listening to music. A
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lot of my weigh -ins are in the mornings of a
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lot of tournaments. So I just get my weight done.
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And then I like to eat breakfast. I try to be
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as calm as possible. Like I feel like the more
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you stress about it and treat it like it's the
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end of the world, like you're, you're going to
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get all jittery and stuff. Like I just treat
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it like a normal day. Cause like when I go spar
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at the gym with like the guys I mentioned, Donner
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and Yaz and them, like we're going like pretty
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much a hundred percent, like just like trying
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really hard. Cause that's just how like we've
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always done it. So it's like, that's like a fight
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to me. And it's like, I do that every day. So
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it's like, it's just one more day. I don't, I
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don't like stress about it. It's just like, it
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just means more. I just try to listen to a lot
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of music. I don't like listening to music when
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I'm at the venue because I like being my head
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surrounded with noise and stuff like that and
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get my mind in the area. So you like to do your
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zoning out beforehand and then once you get there,
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you're locking in? Yeah, I'll lock in. I'll talk
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to some people. I just try to keep calm, just
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loose. Yeah. I feel like when people start stressing
22:36
out, I've heard when people are warming up way
22:42
too hard before the fight, you end up using up
22:44
all your energy. Yeah, you might feel that too.
22:46
A lot of times you'll get gassed on the pads.
22:49
Have you experienced that? Yeah. It's just more
22:54
of an adrenaline thing, but once you're actually
22:55
in there, you feel real energized. It's just
22:58
like, I don't know what it is, just people get
23:00
gassed on pads. I tried to take it light on pads,
23:03
light on everything. I was stressing before the
23:06
finals. I got a cramp in my, like, right here.
23:09
I couldn't throw my right hand in the pads. No.
23:12
So I was, like, freaking out. And I was trying
23:14
to stay calm. But then when I got in, it didn't
23:16
do anything. Like, I felt fine. Adrenaline took
23:18
over. Yeah, adrenaline. But that was scary. So
23:22
it's been three years. Like, your dad, three
23:25
years ago, got into a boxing ring. And then the
23:28
year after. Who else did you convince to get
23:31
into the boxing ring? My mom and my stepdad.
23:34
Right. So then they got into the ring. Then you
23:36
took it serious. Well, then what's happening
23:39
this year? What's happening in a few days, actually?
23:43
My dad is fighting again from his win three years
23:49
ago in the Fight 10. Coming out of retirement.
23:52
And yeah, he's coming out of retirement. So how
23:54
does that feel for you? Your dad, and I don't
23:59
want to speak for him, but he went and did that
24:02
charity bossing because I think he wanted to
24:04
have that connection. Obviously, what's your
24:07
name again? Cassius. Right? Yeah. Who's famous
24:11
with that name? Cassius Clay, Muhammad Ali. Exactly.
24:15
So I see that connection. So he gets into the
24:18
bossing. Is it a complete coincidence? Yeah.
24:21
I have no clue. You know what I mean? That's
24:23
crazy. So you have that. Now your dad's getting
24:26
back into the ring. Like, what's this feel for
24:28
you? Like, watching him, like, come out of retirement
24:30
to go into the rave. Like, what kind of feeling,
24:34
like, and knowing that he's going, his son, or
24:37
his opponent's son is also a pretty good boxer,
24:41
too. Yeah, me and him both went to nationals.
24:43
I've sparred his son a lot, because they go to
24:47
St. Thomas, so they came over, and we went to
24:50
their gym. I've sparred his son a lot. Ah, like,
24:52
this is like... This is WWE type stuff right
24:56
now. Like, the storyline is perfect. So you guys,
24:58
like, chirp each other. You're going, my dad
25:01
could beat up your dad. No, I don't see him.
25:04
I haven't seen him since. They're keeping us
25:07
away. Can't scout. Can't scout. Yeah, I mean,
25:10
it feels crazy. Like, I never thought he would
25:13
do it again. Like, I tried to convince him a
25:14
few times. He just kind of brushed it off. I'm
25:16
like, I like to stay undefeated and all this.
25:20
Sometimes you got to put that on the line. Yeah.
25:24
I mean, they're doing it this 2 -0, so. Yeah.
25:27
Yeah, I feel like. I'm putting mine on, too.
25:29
I'm 0 -0 right now. Yeah, you're putting the
25:32
0s on the line. There's a lot of 0s on the line
25:34
this weekend. No, but, like, it's crazy. Because,
25:38
like, just imagine if it could have been, like,
25:40
you two fight and then your dad fight the next.
25:43
Yeah. Yeah, Jay mentioned that to me. I would
25:46
have done it, but he just, it's an age range.
25:49
But I genuinely would have done it. Like, he's
25:51
a very good fighter. Is he going to let you corner
25:54
him? Yeah, I think I'll be cornering him. That's
25:56
sick. I think... It's Chris, right? Yes. Yeah.
26:01
Is Chris's son cornering him? Yeah. Yeah. So,
26:05
it's kind of cool. It'll be cool. I'm sure something
26:08
funny will happen. Yeah. Yeah, no running into
26:11
the ring. No, no. Maybe a little face -off after
26:14
they do that. We'll see. National champions,
26:18
Canada. What's like... some aspirations that
26:21
you want to achieve moving forward and not just
26:23
for yourself but for like the club yeah so i
26:28
have um i'm moving up to u19 for this year's
26:33
provincials so i'll be above u17 okay and then
26:37
um yeah i'm moving up to u19 it'll be pretty
26:41
tough because i'm fighting i'll be the youngest
26:43
of that kind of age group so i'll be fighting
26:45
guys my age and the In the year above. So this
26:47
year at Nationals, I was fighting my age and
26:50
the year younger because I was at the older side
26:51
of it. Oh, because it's every two years. Yeah,
26:53
but everyone I fought was, oh, what's it called?
26:57
Or no, one guy I fought was a year younger and
26:59
the other guy was my age. But this U19 jump will
27:04
be pretty difficult. It'll be like, I'll be moving
27:07
up in weight a little bit because of the weight
27:09
change a little bit. But it'll be difficult because
27:12
there'll be some older guys, really good skills
27:14
guys. Which is more motivation. Yeah. So my goal
27:19
is I want to win provincials at that or just,
27:22
I always get to the nationals like first or second.
27:25
And if I can get that out the way, then I want
27:27
to fight internationally. Like I want to fight
27:29
in Detroit or somewhere like that. Cause you
27:31
smart a lot in Detroit. Is there any ambition
27:35
to go to the Olympics? I would, I would love
27:38
to. Yeah. When was the last Olympics? Did it
27:41
just happen? Oh no, the winter just happened.
27:44
So that'd be in two years. So, like, you'd be,
27:46
like, what, like, 18 for it? Yeah. 18 for the
27:51
Olympics? I'm thinking it might be more, like,
27:53
likely. Next Olympics? Yeah. Maybe 21. But, like,
27:57
you want to do it as a club, then. Yeah, yeah,
28:00
of course. I think we all have a better chance
28:05
when it's 2028. I thought, or when is it? 20,
28:10
30, 32. Yeah, 30. Six years, you'd be, what,
28:15
22, 25, 22? I'd be like 21, 22. That'd be fine
28:19
because I'm wanting to go pro, but I want to
28:22
finish school. So what do you want to go to school
28:25
for? I don't even know. You still got time. Let's
28:30
not finish it. I don't know what it is. I think
28:32
at this point, you'll probably end up... doing
28:34
like some sort of fitness something so yeah i'm
28:37
sure you know quite a bit about the human body
28:39
already a little bit you learn a lot from boxing
28:43
like weight and yeah cut weight and do this like
28:46
all your nutrition and all your like fitness
28:49
yeah but i think uh yeah i want to be from knowing
28:52
where to hit people yeah yeah yeah i didn't even
28:56
know where the liver and all that was until i
28:58
started boxing so learn so for someone who's
29:02
like new into boxing i understand that your iq
29:06
in boxing is growing dramatically yeah like you
29:09
know you've faced so many different opponents
29:12
you spar all the time what is some advice would
29:15
you give like a new person getting into the ring
29:17
that doesn't have that experience that you know
29:20
pay attention to this or like focus on this in
29:24
your first fight and then once you grow so there's
29:27
two things i would say the first is to spar with
29:31
purpose so a lot of people go into sparring and
29:34
like treat it like uh like a fight and like you
29:38
can go like hard like like i said like me and
29:40
me and the boys will go like like pretty much
29:43
like fight level but it's always great to like
29:46
kind of center yourself out and uh focus on one
29:49
thing so there will be rounds where i'm literally
29:51
just focusing on like my defense and my footwork
29:53
and moving around i'm not trying to win the round
29:55
to prove something i'm just trying to Work on
29:57
this. And then the next round, maybe I'll just
29:59
work on only my jab. Even if I'm getting like
30:01
hit, like I'm just trying to work on that and
30:03
like actual like kind of fight setting. Yeah.
30:05
So that's the one thing is like work on what
30:08
your weakness is. Film your sparring, you know,
30:10
watch it back. See what you're doing wrong. Film
30:13
your shadow. But like film anything to see what
30:15
you're doing. Rewatch it. And then the other
30:17
thing would just be to like, no matter how nervous
30:19
you are, like always push yourself to fight or
30:22
compete against guys who are better than you.
30:24
um there was a fight in december i did against
30:27
this guy named jayden willis and he was the number
30:30
one canadian at u19 and he's uh 30 and 4 at the
30:35
time i fought him so i had 14 fights and he had
30:38
34 and he was he's really good like um he's very
30:42
aggressive very come forward but i knew it was
30:44
like when i got offered the fight i knew it was
30:47
like a fight that like I wanted to take because
30:49
I felt pressured, but, like, I like it. Like,
30:51
I like the pressure, and, like, I like the idea
30:53
of, like, always pushing myself beyond what I
30:56
think I can do. I didn't win the fight, but I
30:58
learned a lot, and, like, he's a really good
30:59
opponent. A lot of respect to him. Like, he's
31:01
going to go really far. So just pushing yourself
31:04
like that, like, do things that make you uncomfortable.
31:07
This is great advice when I have a week left
31:09
to go. Well, 100%. There's still tons of work.
31:12
That's true. It's not like you're fighting tomorrow.
31:15
It feels like it. I don't know. It's weird. Our
31:19
fights are in five days. Five days? Crazy. Yeah.
31:26
You fight Saturday or Sunday? Sunday. I'm May
31:30
9th. He's next week. I'm on the same card as
31:35
you guys at Music Hall. Do you know what fight
31:37
number? Eight, I think. Seven or eight? I think
31:43
it's seven. It's me, and then there's one more,
31:48
and then there's the intermission. He always
31:54
likes to fight at the end. Well, not necessarily.
31:57
I've only been in the main event once. Oh, yeah,
32:00
I guess you weren't in the main event last year.
32:01
You fight late last year as well, or no? Yeah,
32:05
it was like the... It was like second or third
32:07
last. Yeah. No, honestly... For me, boxing, it's
32:11
weird. It's great. It's a science. I love how
32:15
everyone talks about boxing a few times. It's
32:18
the physics, the mental aspect that's crazy.
32:22
One moment can define a match. It's crazy. How
32:28
do you define boxing right now? It's like chess.
32:33
Everything I do, it's almost like you watch guys
32:37
when you're starting out and you see like...
32:39
how, how good they are. You're like, I don't
32:40
know how I get, get to that. And then as you
32:42
get better, you can compete against those guys
32:44
and you don't feel too like, like I'm not in
32:46
my head. Like, Oh my God, it's so hard. I just
32:47
feel like I couldn't like, it's just like them.
32:50
But like you said, one, one punch can change
32:53
everything. Uh, national finals. I got hit with
32:57
a overhand in the third round. I was up two rounds
32:59
and I, I've never been hit like that before.
33:02
Like the, the gloves they use in nationals are
33:04
like, they're like a bag gloves. They're like
33:06
these rival gloves. And there's zero patty. You
33:09
know how this thing has like, there's zero. It's
33:11
like pro gloves. I can open it like that. So
33:14
they, I got hit and I, I just didn't know where
33:17
I was. I didn't fall, but like, I just like got
33:19
my neck snapped and like, I didn't know, I didn't
33:21
know where I was for like that solid, like 10
33:23
seconds. I just bounced around or whatever. But
33:26
it's like. Like you're up to you know, you're
33:29
better than the guy but then it's just a punch
33:31
you don't see coming and yeah Well, I guess at
33:33
that point he probably also knows he's down to
33:35
yeah So he just threw like a Hail Mary punch
33:37
it landed clean. It was a really solid punch
33:40
and he's just he's a strong kid from Quebec so
33:42
I just If you know what I mean, like yeah, you
33:45
you think everything's going good and then you
33:47
get it with one like that could have put me out
33:49
so true, it's just Do you still stay in contact
33:53
with everyone you've fought with though? Not
33:56
everyone but there are a few people that I have
33:58
yet like that kid I've I don't I don't like talk
34:01
to them like like on a friendly basis But there
34:03
are a few that have fought that are like I am
34:06
like pretty chill with or like not not friends
34:08
But like pretty like yeah around. Yeah, like
34:11
like Noah's cocoa from Ethan's gym Yeah, they're
34:15
in st. Thomas. So I'm friends with him like her
34:17
Because it's like London, basically. Are you
34:19
poking him and be like, do you want a rematch?
34:21
No, no, no. You know what I mean? Like, Eddie,
34:24
what are you peeing? Do you like, so you want
34:26
that rematch now? I've never, I've never, no.
34:28
I might start doing that. No, start trash talking.
34:32
No. No, I try to just be respectful and be respectful
34:37
to them. But yeah, I'm pretty much like, chill
34:40
with that. I don't have any like, bad blood with
34:42
anyone or anyone I fought. Sir. like that's that's
34:46
really important though because like that's it's
34:48
stuff like that that builds the community yeah
34:50
because you fought you fought against this gym
34:53
it was a really good fight and now you can talk
34:56
to them and be like hey i got a fight coming
34:59
up is it cool if i come spar with you guys and
35:01
they'll be like yeah absolutely yeah of course
35:03
yeah because that's the other thing like in ontario
35:06
it's like you're competing against these guys
35:08
in ontario but then at the nationals i really
35:10
realized like you have all of team ontario like
35:13
you're fighting someone from Quebec all of Quebec's
35:15
cheering for them and then you have all the Ontario
35:16
guys cheering for you and it's like I normally
35:18
compete against these guys yeah but then now
35:20
they're like on my side so it's like at the end
35:23
of the day it's like you're all trying to be
35:24
like a team with Ontario so I have no issue to
35:27
like be making bad blood with them because we're
35:30
all going to spar at some point and it's awkward
35:31
and well you want to be on good terms you can
35:34
get really good work yeah it's such it's such
35:37
an interesting community and you're just like
35:39
it's like I feel like once you have a fight with
35:42
someone, it's like that brotherhood almost. You're
35:45
just like, yeah, we just went to war with each
35:47
other. And maybe people chirp each other before
35:52
getting up to it. And then you fight. And then
35:57
as soon as it's over, it's just like, and water
36:00
under the bridge. Yeah, no, I agree with you.
36:03
There's always going to be stuff said. There's
36:05
been words exchanged during fights sometimes.
36:09
Sometimes it's just trying to get in each other's
36:11
heads. Yeah, but at the end of the day, there's
36:14
so little amount of boxers. It's a popular sport,
36:18
but you don't have a bunch of guys doing it.
36:21
It's like the NFL or football or basketball.
36:24
At the end of the day, I find it cool when someone's
36:27
boxing. They have the same passion and things
36:30
that I like. You've got to find good in those
36:34
people. I just think it's crazy that you've been
36:35
in the sport for... Two and a half, three years.
36:39
Yeah. Like you've been around the store for three
36:41
years and you went from, I've never picked up
36:46
gloves. I'm just hitting a bag when my dad's
36:48
at the gym to now I'm winning nationals and being
36:54
like, I like representing boxing to all of the
37:01
younger kids that are at that gym. Yeah. So all
37:03
the kids that are there watching their parents
37:05
are looking at you. and the coaches are being
37:08
like, see that kid? He was one of you guys once.
37:12
It's always like, like I said, without the coaches,
37:15
it's nothing. I really mean it, though, because
37:18
it's like, especially Coach Abdul, he's been
37:23
saying since I started, people will ask whatever,
37:28
or he'll make me go work with someone, and he
37:30
would be calling me the national champ a year
37:32
and a half ago. So it's like, he's always had
37:35
belief in me. He'll just say it, and then it's
37:37
like, you hear it so much, like, I genuinely,
37:39
like, I genuinely believe, like, like, not that
37:42
I am, but, like, I feel like, like, you don't
37:44
get so, you don't get so surprised, like, when
37:47
it happens, you know, because it's, like, you
37:49
have people around you that are, like, always,
37:51
like, in your corner and they truly make you
37:53
believe, like, okay, it's not, like, that unreachable
37:55
of a goal. Yeah. Can you talk about the coaches
37:58
at Boomers and, like, how they're instilling
38:01
your generation on, like, how they, like, instill
38:04
that confidence, that belief? like what are they
38:07
doing or how are they like i know coach abdul
38:11
was telling you like calling you national champ
38:13
like what's he doing with everyone else at that
38:15
level to make sure that you know one they keep
38:18
coming back two they're happy to be there and
38:21
then that sense of community is there can you
38:23
speak on that yeah it's for all of them like
38:26
not just abdul but all them like they're always
38:28
very inclusive like sometimes there'll be people
38:31
that have um have more like maybe they have more
38:35
trouble doing something than everyone else and
38:37
maybe they're struggling with one drill and and
38:39
they never are like kicking on you and being
38:41
like a jerk and you know just in your face like
38:43
that they'll like actually devote time to like
38:46
people like they're not just like focusing on
38:48
me because i did something good or or donard
38:50
or yes because they're higher level like they're
38:52
trying to focus on like everyone it's like you
38:54
don't feel like i don't feel like some superstar
38:56
there like i just feel like everyone else because
38:58
because of the way they treat everyone like they
39:00
treat everyone with like quality and like they're
39:02
very inclusive and they're always like motivating
39:04
too like like they'll they'll push you i'll be
39:06
on the bag like i remember um back when uh me
39:10
and yaz and the other guys we lost in our first
39:13
novice tournament uh like two years ago now and
39:17
they were just like we're on the bags there's
39:19
in our ear abdul like they'll be they'll be on
39:24
you like that but it's like it's good because
39:27
like i Like, it motivates you. Like, they want
39:29
to motivate you, but they know, like, their limits,
39:31
too. Like, they know for each person, like, maybe
39:33
someone's more sensitive than someone else, you
39:35
know? Yeah, I get you. Do you ever go back and
39:38
watch your old fights now and go, wow, I've changed?
39:42
Yeah, but I don't like watching them. Some of
39:47
them are complete garbage, but I keep them, but
39:50
just... Keep them in the archive. Yeah, I don't
39:52
watch them, though. I just keep them. That's
39:54
funny. But, yeah, I used to watch them, like,
39:56
a million times. Like, I have them, like, memorized.
39:58
Like, I know what happened. I'm just picturing,
40:01
like, a montage of you, like, your first fight
40:04
and your, like, final or your last fight matched
40:08
together. You're, like, just seeing the technique
40:10
that's completely different. Yeah. No, my first
40:13
fight, I just... Also probably a massive fight
40:15
difference. My first fight was, like, I don't
40:18
even know what I was doing. It's like... I didn't
40:20
really have a game plan. I didn't know how, like,
40:22
stuff worked. So I was just, like, I remember
40:23
in the corner, I just thought, like, I was going
40:25
to see what happens if I just, like, run at him
40:27
and just start throwing. So I did, and I won.
40:30
But it was just, like, you never really know
40:33
what to expect your first time. Like, you envision
40:35
it, but then you, like, you would know more than
40:38
me because you fought at bigger stages than I
40:40
have. Like, the fight to end 1 ,000 people for
40:43
your first fight, that's, like... Well, because
40:46
your first fight, was it a technique that Marconi,
40:50
fight was that your first one yeah that that
40:53
vibe i okay so what i'll say fight to end was
40:58
great as a first fight it was a well done production
41:02
but i felt it was more engaging at marconi club
41:06
watching you guys and like i was actually able
41:09
to cheer more for you guys even and especially
41:12
your first fight which was amazing to be at uh
41:14
oh you were there i was there um Yeah. That's
41:17
the one we were at? Yeah. Oh. We watched his
41:19
first fight. We did. Yeah. So, like, we've seen
41:22
you grow up. Yeah. And, like. Yeah, that was
41:25
a long time. Yeah. And, like, seeing you there,
41:29
like, the crowd, you can hear the crowd more
41:32
at Marconi. Because it's, like, compact. So,
41:34
and they're all, like, going. Like, it's, like,
41:36
I mean, you got some drunk people. Everyone's
41:40
going crazy. And, you know, so. It's a different
41:43
stage than the tournaments. Yeah, because I feel
41:46
like at Fight Time, like, it's loud, but I feel
41:48
like some people feel, like, a little hesitant
41:50
because, you know, it's for charity. It's more
41:51
of a gala. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?
41:54
More of a gala for Fight Time. Yeah, whereas
41:56
Marconi, like, people, like, show up, like, remember
41:58
shows, like, people are, like, cheering, like,
42:01
nuts. Yeah. Well, we're all cheering for a certain
42:04
fighter, and then I found out you were on the
42:06
card, and I was like, I have to be there. It's
42:08
like, you know, you see, you've been there for
42:10
your dad's one, and, like... the energy that
42:12
you put forward was amazing. And then, you know,
42:15
we had to return the favor for you. Yeah, thank
42:17
you. And, like, now, like, seeing you from now
42:21
to, like, this stage and then seeing your dad
42:23
come back, it's, like, it's full circle. It's
42:26
amazing. And I think you're the reason why your
42:29
dad's coming back. Oh, 100%. Yeah, I think it's,
42:32
like, it worked out well because, like, He wanted
42:35
to come back. I wasn't expecting him to because
42:37
I had always asked him. He was like, I'm not
42:40
doing it, whatever. Like, he's just kind of,
42:42
I didn't, like, blame him. Like, he's, like,
42:44
46 or 47. He ain't old. Yeah, he's not too old.
42:48
We're not that far away. I'm not that far away.
42:51
I know, but it's, like, I just didn't expect
42:53
him because he kind of liked watching me after,
42:55
and I just thought he was, like, content with,
42:57
like, watching me do it and all that. But then
43:00
he was, like. He just randomly texted me. I was
43:02
at school. He was like, don't tell anyone, but
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I'm doing it again. I can imagine you getting
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that text. It'd be like that smile on your face.
43:09
I was like, okay. I get to smile. My dad. You
43:15
know, sparring is always funny. And the other
43:17
day I did the Ali shuffle. He's having fun with
43:24
it. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's an awesome bonding
43:27
experience for you guys, too. It's always, like,
43:29
I've never really realized it beforehand, but,
43:31
like, I have no problem, like, hitting other
43:32
people or even, like, my best friends. Like,
43:35
I'll punch them and stuff, but it's, like, it
43:37
feels weird to, like, hit your dad, you know?
43:40
Yeah, just a little. Like, I feel like a jerk,
43:43
so I just, like, I try to just work with him.
43:45
And then the other, the last time, though, he
43:47
came out hard, he started. swinging so i was
43:49
like oh i thought we were you took it like serious
43:53
kind of and then it's just i feel like you're
43:55
you're just playing around just tagging him and
43:58
all this and he's just like all right i gotta
44:00
like put him in his place a little bit yeah like
44:03
i there's sometimes i'll sit down on a few but
44:05
like he's still like like like 186 i'm like 140
44:09
on the dot so it's like he's got like 40 something
44:13
i don't know so it's like even if i block one
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like i still like feel it like yeah ricochet
44:17
like you know because he's like it's just like
44:19
the size yeah but but no he's he's looking pretty
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pretty decent for for this sunday i feel pretty
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good about it i'm cheering him on yeah i'm excited
44:27
for it i'm sure it's tough because like love
44:30
your dad your dad's amazing yeah yeah yeah it's
44:33
so weird looking at the car like uh i'm sure
44:37
for you you've been on like different cards that
44:41
uh you don't know everybody oh yeah 100 but like
44:44
with this you look at it you're like i know i
44:48
think there's like there's probably like two
44:49
people on the card that i don't know them oh
44:51
yeah no that's that's weird yeah because like
44:54
everyone every card i'm on it there's like a
44:56
million people i don't know like you're see you
44:58
guys fighting before i have no clue who they
45:00
are yeah like there's always random people so
45:03
yeah it's you guys build connections at the gym
45:05
i'm sure fight 10 was crazy because even i was
45:08
there all the time i knew everyone yeah so it's
45:10
just like yeah i was actually like i was probably
45:12
most excited i've been for a part because i've
45:14
seen i saw it on train yeah whereas with this
45:17
one with you guys you guys built community so
45:19
just when you go see the guys fight but yeah
45:21
i went i went uh the other day to go watch my
45:24
dad spar and they the sparring gets heated sometimes
45:27
it's just a little i saw two guys going at it
45:31
other guys it's fun I'm excited. I'm pumped.
45:36
Well, no, you should be. You put in the work.
45:39
You put in the time. You've been eating better.
45:43
You stopped drinking. Right? I'm doing the best
45:47
I can. We do non -alcoholic drinks now. It's
45:50
weird. I'm a bartender and it's like I can't
45:52
even do my job properly. We knew that before.
45:55
These are pretty good. You know what I mean?
45:58
You know what I mean? I don't know. It's a lifestyle.
46:04
I'm very fortunate that Brett brought boxing
46:07
back. And then now people in the community are
46:09
taking that level and stepping it up and making
46:12
sure that more people in the community are stepping
46:14
into the ring. More people are getting involved,
46:16
giving you more opponents. You know what I mean?
46:18
All of this is just building on top of each other.
46:21
And I'm looking forward to where boxing goes
46:24
on that. Exactly. Even the MPT, there's always
46:28
the youth classes going. It's growing so much.
46:31
And some of the kids that are doing it, are so
46:34
young they well they started when he started
46:37
basically oh yeah exactly some of them are like
46:40
eight now yeah sure so like you can only imagine
46:45
what it's gonna look like moving forward with
46:48
like everyone starting younger and younger the
46:51
community growing all these charity events like
46:54
you'll have a bunch of kids like yourself that
46:56
they saw their parents do this and then they
46:59
wanted to get into it of course yeah I think
47:01
that's always a great thing in the sport. Like
47:03
seeing, you see guys, even at Boomers, I'll see
47:05
some older guys train and they'll bring their
47:07
kids. Yeah. And then you'll start seeing the
47:09
kids start going. And it's like, it's like interesting
47:12
to see because you never know, like maybe the
47:14
kid's going to turn out to be something awesome.
47:16
Exactly. Like yourself. Yeah. There's going to
47:19
be a movie about you. Just like how the Michael
47:21
movie just came out. Yeah. I don't know. Hey,
47:28
keep those videos. Those archive videos, because
47:30
you never know. I might have to keep them. Netflix
47:32
might come calling. A biopic about you. Yeah.
47:36
I'm just saying. Might. Out of London, Ontario.
47:39
Yeah. But I just think it's cool that, like,
47:42
there's all these different events and stuff.
47:44
I guess, like. older people an opportunity to
47:50
try it when they haven't tried it when they were
47:51
younger and then they're seeing it under like
47:54
learning about the community aspect of it and
47:56
going like okay cool this is actually a safe
47:59
place to get my kid involved into right yeah
48:02
yeah instead of being like because i most parents
48:05
i'm sure yours included Wouldn't think of putting
48:08
their kid in boxing initially because they're
48:10
like, I don't want my kid getting punched in
48:12
the head all the time. But then you realize,
48:14
oh, it's actually a really good community and
48:16
you'll learn a lot. The first thing you learn
48:21
is defense. If you don't learn it first, you'll
48:25
learn it second because you're going to... They're
48:28
never going to... Coaches never put me in a bad
48:31
position. If anything's ever getting crazy, which
48:34
it hasn't really, but like... They're always
48:36
there to, like, you know, tell the other guy
48:38
to chill. Or, like, if I'm sparring someone and
48:40
maybe they're not on the same level, like, they'll
48:43
tell me, like, okay, chill. Like, they're always
48:44
there to, like, no one's trying to, like, you
48:47
know, like, prove a point or hurt someone, you
48:49
know, especially in sparring. I mean, in play,
48:52
it's different. But, like, when you're sparring
48:54
or training, like, in the gym, no one's trying
48:56
to, like, kill each other. Everyone's trying
48:58
to learn. Well, at the end of the day, that's
49:01
what we're all there for, right? Yeah, yeah,
49:02
of course. Like, obviously, fights are, like,
49:05
a fight. is a little bit different but we're
49:08
all just there to work on ourselves yeah for
49:10
sure sparring is just practice yeah yeah that's
49:13
how i look at it um just shout out boomers my
49:19
team everyone at the gym who's helped me get
49:21
to where i am my sparring partners my family
49:26
my friends and just everyone who's ever supported
49:28
me like doesn't go unnoticed and like it helps
49:31
me a lot and helps push me to keep doing better
49:34
and just Just keep being who I am. Love it. Well,
49:39
I think that's an episode. That's an episode.
49:41
Thanks for coming out. Thank you very much. Appreciate
49:43
you. You're a great advocate of what off the
49:45
bench is. Yeah. There's a few people who've come
49:48
on this episode and we've said like you embody
49:51
what off the bench is. You were another example
49:53
of that where you're showing that you're getting
49:55
off the bench, you're growing in the community,
49:57
you're boxing, you're making an impact. So we
50:00
appreciate you from off the bench. Thank you
50:02
very much. Thank you. I look forward to seeing
50:05
you on Sunday, too. Yes, I'll see you. Can't
50:07
wait. Yeah, that'll be fun. All right, thank
50:09
you. Peace. We'll be right back. We'll be right
50:54
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