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Ditch the Drama: Be Authentically You and Lead Like a Boss · Closing Sales in Nigeria - Sales For The Nigerian Business Person: The Sales and Marketing Blueprint

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Hello and welcome to the show. Before we begin, the usual
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warnings because this is an out and about episode so expect to
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hear from noise from the background.
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Also my sore throat is getting worse just in case there's more
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sniffling and hacking and all of that.
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Then also another apology for today because we should be
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getting back on topic and we should be dealing with
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objections that people give in business.
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Those are reasons why reasons that people give are not wanting
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to go ahead, reasons why people say they don't want to do
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business with us or continue with a specific project or an
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agenda or whatever. And one of those that we've
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tackled so far, I think we've only tackled one.
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I'll have to check my list. I think we've tackled the most
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popular money objection and that's when people say I can't
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afford it or you are too expensive.
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So this is your first time of listening to the show.
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I think this should be the second episode after that.
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So if you skip back two episodes, you'll be able to get
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some framework, some perspectives on what to do when
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you have a nice juicy potential customer, you think it's going
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to be a sweet deal and you've sent over the proposal, the
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e-mail, the DM, the whatever it is, and then the person replies
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you're too expensive, I can't afford it, blah blah blah.
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So that should give you some ideas about how you should go
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about handling that. So like I said today, I'm going
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to make a detail. I'm not going to continue with
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the other list of the objections.
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And that's because I saw something on LinkedIn and
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because, well, OK, well, I have female friends who are in the
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business who are self-employed and also have female friends who
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happen to work in other organisations.
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You know, you work in the bank, you work in the ministry, you
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know, that sort of thing. And of course I also have
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aunties and cousins and I saw something on LinkedIn that I
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think lots of women struggle with.
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So I figured, let me just hop on and make an episode on that real
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quick. And that is this whole thing of
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women being in leadership positions.
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And then they get tired because they're feeling like they're
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inauthentic, like they have to show up at work or they have to
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show up in business in ways that are not authentic to them.
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And after a while, they get, they just get tired of
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pretending. So First off, my sympathies to
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my mother's, my sisters, my aunties, my cousins, my female
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friends. I was speaking in a universal
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sense here, that I can understand what it is that
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you're going through, because it's not easy showing up in an
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environment where you feel like you can't let your hair down,
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you can't be yourself. And in fact, I think part of the
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reason why I've taken the business trajectory that I have
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so far was precisely because of these sorts of issues.
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I grew up as a fun loving, sometimes adventurous, stubborn
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or rebellious, depending on who you're talking to.
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Kind of child. And for some reason I didn't
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take a liking to wearing shoes and I decided to study law and I
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showed up in Obafa ME Awolowo University.
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That's the greatest university on the African continent because
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of their world renowned law faculty.
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So I showed up there happy and ready to begin my study of law
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only to be slammed with dress restrictions.
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You have to wear shoes. You have to wear black and
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white, white shirt, black trousers, need to wear ties,
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need to wear shoes. And looking back now, you know,
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I'm wondering, like, what was I thinking?
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You know, it should have been obvious, Like, everybody else in
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Nigeria knows that if you're studying law, that's just what
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you do. You wear shoes, you wear
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trousers. Yeah, You wear shirt, you wear
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tie. And so I struggled with the
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dress ethic on on that part. You know, that whole thing of
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feeling like it was not authentically me and all that.
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And even before I finished law school, I was thinking that if
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anything, I'll be more of a solicitor rather than an
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advocate so that I could show up to the office and wear my Ankara
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or whatever it is, maybe once in a while, dress up and go to
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court. So the point I'm just trying to
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make is I know first hand what it is, what it feels like, like,
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OK, I'm going into this environment and I'm going to be
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there from 7:30 and I'm going to be there until 5:00.
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And while I'm there, I have to fit in.
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I have to pretend to be what I'm not.
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Now of course I'm not going to make light of the issues that
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female leaders face in business, because being a female leader in
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male dominated environments come with his own peculiar sort of
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challenges that even if I can't understand on an intellectual
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level, I'm not going to be able to understand in in an emotive
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way, in an emotional way. But please, I beg of you, my
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sisters, cousins, aunties, friends, you know, female
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listeners listening to the show. Please, I beg of you that
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whatever I say here, do not take it as mansplaining.
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I'm not mansplaining. It's just that, you know, I've
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had a conversation with my mum, conversations with my aunts,
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conversations with my Big Sisters, but I don't have any
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biological Big Sisters. But of course I have women that
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I'll I'll regard as big sis about these sorts of things.
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And there are a couple of what I say.
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Should I say misconceptions or assumptions that are going on
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out there that make things much more difficult than they need
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be. So please, when you hear this
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episode, my dear female listeners, please do not assume
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that I am mansplaining. Just think of me as your son,
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just like the son who would talk to his mother, because I've had
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these conversations with my mom. Think of me as your nephew,
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because as a nephew, I've had these conversations with my
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aunties. Think of me as your boyfriend,
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because I've had these conversations with people that
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I've dated in the past. Although now I'm happily
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married, so maybe you shouldn't be thinking of me as your
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boyfriend, but you get the whole idea.
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Think of me as your son, your younger brother, your colleague,
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your brother in church, whatever it is.
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So I'm not mansplaining. But please, if at any point you
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think that my tone is inappropriate, then I always
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give out my contact details at the end of the show.
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So yeah, reach out to me. Let me know where it is that I
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went wrong so I can, you know, take dressing and be more
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appropriate in tone when it comes to future episodes.
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So are you a female leader? And you're tired of being
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inauthentic? Like I said, the number of poor
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assumptions that come into this. And one of those assumptions is,
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you know, for some reason, female folks seem to think that
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you have to change your personality when it comes to
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work or business. Now, there are some guys who
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have those assumptions as well. Like, you know, you're a joker.
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You're the life of the party and everything, But you work in
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Zenith Bank. 8:00 AM You get to Zenith Bank.
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You button up, you suit up, you tie up.
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And then you leave all that joking at home.
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Leave all the joke outside. Then you're in the office.
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And you have to be serious, you know, because you work inside
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his bank and you are no guy. You're a big boss.
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You can't be acting like a fool. So yeah, I understand men have
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that thing. Women have that thing too.
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But women particularly feel that pressure.
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Now there's a poor assumption on the on the, on the part of, OK,
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let me come up with some. What's that word?
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Personas. So let's say the jokester is
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Chukudi. Let's go with three people.
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Jokester is Chukudi. And then there's me, Tavi,
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Shima. And then there's, let's say
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there's a lady and let's say Chidima.
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OK, so Chukudi, Chidima and then me.
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So Chukudi is a jokester. Then there's me.
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I have a very, very, very, very inappropriate sense of humour.
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So for my mom, my wife, my friends, they keep on saying it
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all the time that my sense of humour is inappropriate.
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It's crude. Very sexually crude.
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So they constantly warned me that, look, this thing you're
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saying is cool, but that's just because it's us here.
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If you say this thing outside, you're going to get lynched.
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So there's the jokes, Jokester Chukudi, then there's the
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inappropriate humor guy, That's me.
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And then there's Cheating Man. Let's say Cheating Man is
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bubbly. So we're all coming to the
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office or we're all coming to the business and we're assuming
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that we have to change our personality.
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Well, First off, there's that whole thing off.
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We have to determine that the things that we claim to be core
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parts of our personality, are they really core parts of our
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personality? Like self identifying as a
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jokester, does that really have to be a core part of who you
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are? Or self identifying as a song
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with an inappropriate sense of humor does not have to be core
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to who you are. The bubbly thing you know does
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not necessarily have to be who you are.
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There's that question, but I'm not going to go into that.
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Let's just assume that we have accepted that these are key
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parts of our personality and we're wondering how much of it
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we can bring to the work environment, how much of it we
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can bring to the office. So the first question would be,
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do you have to change your personality when showing up to
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the office or when you're in the business context?
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And the answer is no. Remember that I am tackling this
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thing like I tackle most issues on the podcast from a sales and
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business development perspective.
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So Please remember that this is how sales and business
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development people think traditionally anyway when it
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comes to this matter of personality.
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So do you have to mask your personality?
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The answer is no. And that is because from a sales
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and business development perspective, the focus is on
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being relevant to whoever you are, relevant and appropriate to
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whoever you are. So, so long as I am diagnosing
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problems on point, I understand the potential customer that I'm
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talking to while vibing along the main issues, I can still be
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my quirky self, but of course I have to be appropriate because
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right now we're talking business.
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So there absolutely is no reason why my crude sense of humor,
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especially when it comes to sexual matters.
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There's no reason why my crude sense of humour ought to come
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out in this context, because it is inappropriate.
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So you see how for sales and business development, we have a
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guiding principle. So Chukudi will still be able to
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be his rascally self so long as there's no inappropriate humour
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involved and so long as he's able to stay on point that we're
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here in the customer's house because we're trying to help the
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customer find a perfect solar system and inverter system.
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I know what not to meet their energy needs, so joking around
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or huffing around would not be a problem.
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So long as you're respecting people's privacy, you're staying
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on point, you're not being too forward.
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So you see how these kind of restrictions apply when it comes
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to traditional sales and environment.
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And it's the same sort of thing that should apply for Chidima in
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the office as well. So Chidima, you don't have to
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change your personality if you think you're bubbly and the
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office is too, to like. The office is forcing you to
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button up to be too stock up. Now there are times when some
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people have dissent, that you are in a work environment and
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there's a cultural clash and things like that.
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So in those sorts of scenarios, you know, something has got to
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give. You know, there's some people
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who leave and say, look, this thing is not just me, so there
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are times when you might have to descend that.
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But The thing is, you'll find that in most work of business
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situations there are going to be some restrictions around dress.
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So for tavi shimmer, showing up, shoe, shirt, tie, all of that,
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you know it is what it is. There's a dress code.
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If I wanted to remain within the legal environment, it is what it
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is. There is just a dress code.
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Then there are also restrictions around propriety.
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So my sense of humor, I had to take dressing and I have taken
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dressing over the years and so I only let my hair down in quote.
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You know when I'm my wife, my mom, what else, you know,
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cousins, you know and then I can crack the off color jokes that I
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normally do although it's becoming more difficult now
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because my boys are becoming young men.
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So it's not like before when there were kids where I'd say
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something and go over their heads, I say something.
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Now they pick up on that. They say dad, what do you mean?
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And sometimes they repeat what I say.
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So for those of you who have an off color sense of humour and
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you have kids, you know, be mindful of that.
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The children are listening, so they mirror stuff.
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So let's let's be careful with the jokes that we tell around
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the house. So I was like, OK, so there are
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going to be restrictions around dress, around propriety, around
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humour, around decency. There's also going to be
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restrictions around respect. That's because Nigeria has a
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hierarchical nature of the work environment.
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It's just one of those things. So you're required to say good
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morning, Sir. What else?
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You get the whole idea. You're required to.
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OK, you don't have to double it, but you you're required to.
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And for those of you who are Nigerians, you, you get the gist
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of what I'm trying to say. If you're not Nigerian listening
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to the show, you require some more nuance on that.
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You know, hit me up, excuse me, hit me up in the DMS and then we
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can talk some more about that. But you find that these sort of
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restrictions apply to both sexes when it comes to dress,
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propriety, humor, decency, respect and all these all these
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other things. So an example that I'm going to
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give because. And this is 1 area where women
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feel picked on most of the time. And yes, I will admit that,
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yeah, there's a bit of that going on, especially in this
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environment because it looks like with each legislative, what
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do you call them When the senators that we we elect, what
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is it called when they come in for a A10 year or.
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And I can't remember what it's called, but it looks like with
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each 10 year there's always someone who is proposing a bill
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about modesty and about how women are supposed to dress and
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things like that. And you know, it just gets me
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wondering like, you know, our senators, like why won't they
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just let this issue go? You guys come in and then
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there's always this whole thing of modesty bill.
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Women were dressed like this and blah, blah, blah.
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I'm not saying these issues are not important, but I really
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think that as senators and elected representatives, you
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guys have so much more, bigger issues to talk about than how
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women dress. And I have no doubt that in the
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next set of senators are coming, it's also going to be an issue
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as well. Somebody's going to try and
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float that bill again. My thing is, yeah, men are also
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subject to those sorts of restrictions.
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I like to walk around a lot in jeans and in shorts and I have
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been evicted from 1 premises. The government office, I won't
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say what the government office is because I was wearing shorts.
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I didn't match the dress code of the establishment.
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The funny thing is the shorts I was wearing were actually in
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Cara shorts, so I was wearing a Cara top and Cara shorts, and I
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figured that traditional dressing native attire is part
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of our work, what's it called? Official work dress in Nigeria.
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So I didn't think that was going to be a problem, but I was
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evicted from the premises. And then another premise that I
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wasn't able to get entry into actually was a private
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establishment. And I found that really shocking
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and they wouldn't let me in because I was wearing shorts.
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I had to meet someone and I was wearing shorts.
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This was not in car shorts and they wouldn't let me in.
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What I found really perplexing was that it was a social
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establishment, so it's not even an office.
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It's not like I showed up to Zenith Bank in shorts, which I
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do from time to time anyway. Why?
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Why do I say Zenith Bank? I don't know.
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For some reason that the bank that I think of the most when
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I'm on the mic. Zenith and Axis.
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So where was I? Yeah.
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So these things happen to men too.
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Yes, I have been evicted from premises because I've been
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wearing shorts. So there are rules that and some
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stricture that everybody has to abode.
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Sorry, no. What's that word?
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Abide. Yeah, abide by now.
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But remember, what I said is that from a sales and business
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development perspective, so long as you focus on being relevant
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to the mission, relevant to the agenda for the call, to the
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agenda for the meeting or the whatever, then your personality
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doesn't matter. So what you should be doing
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really is just be free, You know, be yourself.
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But make sure that whenever you're speaking, whenever you're
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pursuing something, whenever you are trying to lend your weight
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behind something, you are being on point and being on agenda.
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So you make sure that we are on point with the customer needs.
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We make sure that we're on point with the departmental agenda,
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with our colleagues, you know, things like that.
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So if you do all that, then it doesn't really matter if you're
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Sanguine or if you're bubbly or if you're an SU, you know,
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scripture union, those people that dress like mommy Gio, you
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know, mommy overseer or people like to dress like grammars or
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maybe you're young and bubbly and squealy, you know, so so
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long as you are on point and on agenda, then people usually
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tolerate all kinds of personality quirks and you being
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your authentic self. So this whole thing of you have
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to change your personality when you get, when it's 8:00, and
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then switch your personality back on when it's five.
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There's just some poor assumptions there about what is
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required in the workplace. So back to the personas.
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So for I can't remember the names I came up with.
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I think I said Chukwudi, Chinima, then tavishima as me.
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So for Chukwudi, you can be your bubbly self and you can still be
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the head of the department. You just have to be on point and
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you just have to be focused. You can't say you're being
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bubbly to the point of you guys are having a departmental
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meeting and you're cracking jokes, you're straying off
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points, you're talking about stuff that is happening on
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Tiktok and you know, blah blah blah, blah, that is just being
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plain inappropriate. You can be your bubbly self and
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share the meeting in a bubbly manner, so long as you're
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sticking to what the agenda is for the day and what you're
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trying to achieve as a department so you don't have to
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show up 8:00, put on your tie, and oh, I'm Mr. Serious.
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And then 5:00 PM oh, I'm Mr. Bubbly again.
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No, it can be Mr. Bubbly all throughout the day.
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You just have to stay on point. If you're in front of a
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customer, what are you trying to achieve in this particular
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meeting? If you're in front of the
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department, what is the agenda for the meeting?
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If the meeting is over and you're sending memos back and
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forth, people are trying to do something like what is the point
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of this particular agenda, particular thing that you are
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trying to achieve? As long as you stay on task, on
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agenda, on point, people be will be willing to tolerate a whole
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bunch of stuff. Now assuming that Chukudi works
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in Zenith Bank, there are some things that would be
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inappropriate. Putting smileys and emotis,
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sorry, not emotis, rather called emoticons.
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Yeah. So putting emoticons in e-mail,
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yeah, your your department ahead is not going to tolerate that
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because it's a bank. But there's nothing to say that
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because you work in a bank and your departmental head that all
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your emails have to be here. Please find attached hereto
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forthwith, hitherto pending meeting last held on June 23rd,
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2023. Please find here forthwith for
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your consideration PDF attached. There's nothing that says you
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have to talk that way. Now of course, if you're in
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legal circles, there are times when the hitherto and all those
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things have to be used because they convey a technically
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precise meaning. And maybe if you're an engineer,
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there are times when you have to use precise words.
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But for Chukwadi, who works in Zenith Bank, it'll be sufficient
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to say Chair Maker. It was.
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I enjoyed your contributions at the last meeting that we held on
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23rd of June 2004. Let me see what else In line
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with what we discussed on items number 123 and four, I think the
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next course of action should be 5-6 and seven.
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Please can you report on so, so, so and so before next week,
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Monday. The PDF is attached to this
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e-mail. It can be that simple and it's
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it's not a problem. You haven't crossed any lines.
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You haven't done anything. I'm unethical.
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So this is a joke. With the listening to the show
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you can be your bubbly self. It's not a problem.
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And so it's also the same thing with a Chidima.
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If you're a Chidima and you are an SU, for instance, and you
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really don't feel comfortable with wearing high heels because
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you think it's. I don't know.
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But we know how SU scriptural Union.
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That's how I define SU. For those of you who are not
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Nigerian SU or Scripture Union, that particular kind of What
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would I say? Should I say Christian?
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Fundamental. I'll be Christian.
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Anyway, let me stop before I get into trouble.
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But you get what I'm trying to say.
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If you're an SU person, you don't like these kind of shoes,
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have a conversation with human resources.
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I'm sure that human resources won't have a problem with you
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coming in flats and if you'd like to get to your desk and say
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your prayers before you begin. I'm sure that human resources is
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not going to have a problem with you saying your prayers before
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you begin your work, so long as you're not scabashing over the
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place and interrupting people. The point I'm just trying to
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make is that whatever you think your authentic self is, you can
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be your authentic self so long as when you show up, you try to
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be appropriate to the situation. You try to stay on task, you
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start, you try to stay on brand, you try to focus on the agenda
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that needs to be achieved. So from a sales and business
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development perspective, if you do that you'll be absolutely
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fine. And that's one of the reasons
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why in my trainings, whether online or live, I tell people
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that, look, you don't have to change your personality, you
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don't have to be me. So apart from my off colour
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humour I've been told that I have the I have the the sense of
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style and the personality of a Ghanaian school teacher.
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Now for those of you who are listening to the show who are
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Ghanaians, you know, no offence and I'm not quite sure what that
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means but it's something that I've been told by a few people.
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So if you're the for me the the formal stuffy kind of person and
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that's what you prefer, that's what you that's who you think
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you are whether you're a man or a woman then please continue
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that way you don't have to change.
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I'm talking now, particularly when it comes to sales.
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So a stuffy person can succeed in sales, a bubbly person can
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succeed in sales, a shy person can succeed in sales, an
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extroverted person, an introverted person, a Sanguine,
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A Columbic, a Gemini, a Taurus, a whatever.
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We can all be successful in sales and selling.
24:06
We don't have to change our personality, and I think that
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within limits. The same thing applies to a
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worker in the business environment as well.
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So if you're a female leader and you're tired of being
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inauthentic, there's nothing that forces you in most work
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environments to to pretend to be someone that you're not.
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Please note I said most work environments.
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I'm assuming that if you're in the military, I'm assuming that
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you know, jokes and bubbliness and all that has to be kept to a
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minimum. So I don't know how things work
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in the military, but if you work in the Ministry of Finance,
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you're a businesswoman, you work in Zenith Bank, you work in Axis
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Bank or whatever, then you don't have to hide your authentic
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self. So long as the focus is always
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on the customer, the focus is always on the agenda, and the
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focus is always on being appropriate to the situation,
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then you can let your personality shine through.
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And you don't have to end up in nothing where you show up to
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work, you're angry and everything, but then you get
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home. You're with your husband and
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your kids, or you're not married, but you get home and
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you know, you chill with Netflix and I feel like, oh, now I'm me.
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Now I can relax. So you don't have to be
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authentic. You don't have to lie, you don't
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have to be somebody else. So it's been about 25 minutes.
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Then we bring this thing to a close.
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So this is the reason why I made the detour because like I said,
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been having lots of these conversations, especially now
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that I'm older. You know, when you're a kid,
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people don't talk to you, but then you grow older and then you
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start having some interesting conversations with your mum,
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with your aunties and with your uncles and you know, it's it's
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really interesting. So for those of you who are like
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me, who are coming of age now and your uncles and aunties are
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having some mature conversations with you, you know, please
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engage. You get to learn some more about
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family dynamics. Of course, that also reflects a
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little bit about who you are and it helps give you some wisdom
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and some understanding about how things run.
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OK, anyway, let me stop. So tomorrow I'm going to stay on
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course. I've done two episodes that are
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detours. So for those of you who are
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listening to, if yesterday and today was the first time I've
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listened to the podcast episode, don't worry, we're usually on
26:28
point. We're usually on focus when it
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comes to this podcast because we have over 830 episodes so far
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and I can count on one hand the number of times that I have
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spoken about some of something else.
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So I made two podcast episodes on the around some time when
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Nigeria was experiencing some political upheaval that was the
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the SARS revolt 1000 people are voting against police.
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I made two SARS episodes. I've done one episode now about
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authentic female expression in the workplace and I think I did
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one yesterday where I spoke about whether God is lying with
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people. Yeah, so over 830 episodes and
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I've only deviated on 4. So if you came here for the
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business, don't worry. Tomorrow we're getting back to
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the business. So thank you very much for your
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time and attention. I'll catch you guys at the next
27:13
episode. Remember to connect with me on
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WhatsApp. The phone number is 08064662140.
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The country code is +234. For those of you who are not
27:23
Nigerian, then connect me on LinkedIn.
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My name is Tavishima Ayeda. I'm the host of the show.
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Hopefully by tomorrow my sore throat should be better, but if
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it's not I'll just hook up anyway and give a recording.
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Except if I've gotten to the point where I'm now sounding
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like a scratchy toad or something.
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So thanks for your time and attention.
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I'll catch you guys on the next episode.