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- 0:01Hello and welcome to the show. Before we begin, apologies
- 0:05because today I am not in my recording booth, so expect to
- 0:08hear some noise beading in from the background.
- 0:11Now today we're going to be looking at process related
- 0:14issues in your business and how those can lead to declining
- 0:18sales performance. If this is your first time of
- 0:20listening to the show, if you scroll back a couple of
- 0:23episodes, maybe three or four, you'll see that we've been
- 0:26looking at how to improve sales performance.
- 0:28But coming at it from an another angle, we've been pretty much
- 0:31trying to figure out what are the things that causes your
- 0:34business sales performance to go down so that we can tweak all
- 0:39those individual stuff. So this your first time
- 0:42listening to the show. After listening to this episode,
- 0:44if you want a wider context, make sure that you scroll back,
- 0:48listen to the last three or four and you're going to get a richer
- 0:51understanding of what it is that we're discussing today and how
- 0:55all the elements from other kinds of problems, how it all
- 1:00works together. So today we're going to be
- 1:02looking at process related issues and how that causes your
- 1:06sales team or your sales performance to decline.
- 1:08Yesterday we looked at people related issues when your sales
- 1:12people themselves are the problem.
- 1:14And I also hinted on when you the business owner is the
- 1:17problem or you the sales manager is the problem.
- 1:21Because let's be realistic, we're all humans.
- 1:23So it's not every single time that is going to be their fault
- 1:27that they're not doing a good job.
- 1:28Sometimes it is your fault as business owner, your fault as
- 1:32Madam CEO, your fault as auger business owner.
- 1:37So today, process related issues.
- 1:39Now what are process related issues?
- 1:42Process related issues could be things like you guys have an
- 1:45ineffective sales process or an inefficient sales process.
- 1:51But actually what happens most of the time is that people have
- 1:55a non existent sales process to begin with.
- 1:58So you'll find that someone has a shop where you sell.
- 2:05What was that example I gave Baby Gap?
- 2:07So you're selling imported clothes from the UK and from
- 2:10America. So Baby Gap from America and
- 2:13then Mamas and Papas from the UK.
- 2:15What you find is Madame sets up the shop and then she gets one
- 2:21of her younger cousins, doesn't give the younger cousin any
- 2:24training whatsoever. And you just tell your cousin,
- 2:27have your bath, dress up, makeup, sit in the store, attend
- 2:31to customers, but you have not given your junior cousin any
- 2:35kind of training whatsoever on what to do when people walk into
- 2:38the store, how to have conversations with them, are
- 2:41they the right person, how to upsell, how to cross sell, all
- 2:44these sorts of things. You just make sure that she's
- 2:46smelling nice, she's fine, she has dressed well, and she knows
- 2:49how to use the cash register to scan the items and to
- 2:54troubleshoot if anything happens with the POS so that you can
- 2:57collect your money. Well, First off, you've done
- 3:01well trying to get the business to grow beyond you and of course
- 3:06trying to give your younger cousin some experience, some
- 3:09real world experience. So you've done well, but you
- 3:13need to take it a step further. You also need to make sure that
- 3:18you have a sales process or a sales methodology in place and
- 3:23then train her up on that and that is how your business is
- 3:27going to be able to grow. Then process related issues also
- 3:31include situations where you have poor lead quality.
- 3:34A lead is just anybody who has raised their hand or who has
- 3:38done something to say I might be interested in your product or
- 3:42your service. So poor lead quality just means
- 3:46you are not getting enough people to raise their hands.
- 3:49So of course you've enough. If you don't have enough people
- 3:51saying I might be interested, where are you going to get the
- 3:54sales from? So you can see how we have a
- 3:58poor process of generating leads, how that leads to
- 4:03business problems later and then unqualified leads.
- 4:07Now, a lead is someone who has raised their hand to say I might
- 4:10be interested. But The thing is this, it is not
- 4:13everybody who raises their hand to say I might be interested in
- 4:15your product or your service. That might be a qualified lead.
- 4:18A qualified lead, it just means the person meets your own
- 4:21criteria for doing business. So back to the example of Mamas
- 4:24and Papas and the lady who sets up the shop.
- 4:27So you set up your shop in Wusetu in Abuja or in a Lausa in
- 4:30the Kedja, you know, whatever and then you have this, your
- 4:34shop but what you are selling is mid range.
- 4:38I don't know if Baby Gap is mid range or high range or you know,
- 4:42I have no idea. But for those of you who know,
- 4:44just roll with me. So you're selling Mamas and
- 4:47Papas and you're selling Baby Gap.
- 4:51Mamas and Papas and Baby Gap is good quality stuff for kids, but
- 4:56it's not every single parent that is going to buy Mamas and
- 4:59Papas and Baby Gap and let me know like you when we were in
- 5:03the UK and we bought some of those stuff, it's just because
- 5:06I'm married to my wife as it left me alone.
- 5:08Why would I be buying Baby Gap or why would I even buy Mamas
- 5:12and Papas where we got one Mamas and Papas stroller.
- 5:15And I admit I won't lie man, those things are good quality as
- 5:18in those strollers they've lasted.
- 5:21This is this is over a decade and the strollers are still
- 5:25there. In fact, the fold up bed from
- 5:27Mamas and Papas, not only is it still there, it's been used by
- 5:31four children now in our family, two of my kids and then for my
- 5:35cousin, three of his own kids. So that's five.
- 5:39So I, I won't lie like that stuff is good quality.
- 5:42But the point I'm just trying to make is you're selling all this
- 5:45high end stuff and some people say I might be interested, of
- 5:47course they'll be interested because they're about to have
- 5:49your babies and they want good quality.
- 5:51So yeah, definitely. But then if you have an idiot
- 5:54like me walk into the shop, the person will say how much for
- 6:00shirt on top? Only one.
- 6:03And then the person will start trying to haggle and the person
- 6:05will bring down your morale and you feel as if this business
- 6:08cannot work. Actually, the business can work.
- 6:11It's just that I am not a qualified lead for you who is in
- 6:16that kind of business. So if you're getting leads,
- 6:19people who are raising their hands are saying I'm interested,
- 6:21but they're not qualified leads. It's going to cause all kinds of
- 6:24problems. You start to think maybe this
- 6:26business can't work. And then meanwhile if you bought
- 6:28all your items at let's say 50,000 naira for one, and you
- 6:35want to sell it at 75, so you make 25K markup, you now feel as
- 6:38if limit discount. You start reducing your markup
- 6:41and you see that your business starts offering.
- 6:43So we also need to have a good process for bringing in not just
- 6:48any kind of lead, but the right kind of lead.
- 6:51So somebody who raises their hand to say I might be
- 6:53interested, but not just that, someone who might be able to
- 6:57afford the kind of merchandise that you're selling.
- 7:00There are another process related problem is lack of sales
- 7:04enablement. And I've told you guys over here
- 7:06in the past that sales enablement just means you have a
- 7:10process, you have a methodology, but then you now train people up
- 7:14in the way that they should sell and they will not depart from
- 7:17it. So train them up and you will
- 7:20get the results. Sales enablement not just means
- 7:23training, it also means provide them the adequate tools or
- 7:27resources. And that ties into the next one,
- 7:30which is inefficient CRM usage because CRM is one of those
- 7:34tools that people need. So for your niece who is selling
- 7:37in your shop in Wu, say two or in a Lausa, it's not just POS
- 7:41that if you train her on that, this is how you accept payment,
- 7:44this is how payments decline. This is how you record, you
- 7:47reject payment and blah, blah, blah.
- 7:49And this is how you work the cash register.
- 7:51You also, if you train up, this is a CRM tool.
- 7:54When you talk to customers, excuse me, this is the kind of
- 7:58information that you get from them.
- 7:59This is how you store the information.
- 8:01This is how you schedule reminders so that if the woman
- 8:05came and she bought baby clothes and her baby is 6 months old,
- 8:09there should be a reminder in the CRM so that six months from
- 8:12now, we'll call up to say, hey, Madam, how are you doing?
- 8:14Babies up to one year old. Abby, happy birthday.
- 8:17We thank God many more blessings, blah, blah, blah.
- 8:21Because that is how you're going to be able to build
- 8:22relationships and get Madam to come and now start buying things
- 8:25for one year old because remember, she came to the shop
- 8:28and bought for six months. The goal is to get Madam to buy
- 8:33not just for one year, but to buy for two years. 2 1/2 You
- 8:38want to keep Madame as a customer over the long haul
- 8:40because Madame comes and buys once and you make 25K on that
- 8:44purchase. It's OK, it's not bad, but the
- 8:47real sweet profits is. If Madame buys now, you make
- 8:5025K, and then she's happy with the purchase.
- 8:53When baby turns one, she comes and buys two or three more
- 8:55items, you make 75K, and then she's back next year a couple of
- 9:00times and then she talks to her friend.
- 9:01So that's where the real money, that's where the sweet money
- 9:03comes. So we also need to train people
- 9:05up on how to use the CRM efficiently.
- 9:10And we also need to do other kinds of sales enablement.
- 9:13So a lack of sales enablement processes and a lack of CRM or
- 9:18train people how to use CRM, these are some of the things
- 9:23that cause your sales performance to keep going down
- 9:26and down and down. So all these things that we've
- 9:29listed, they can also be problematic for a number of
- 9:32reasons because First off, if you don't have a sales process,
- 9:35you know, when we're talking about inefficient sales process
- 9:37or non existent sales methodology, then what that
- 9:40means is that everybody's just freestyling and it's a problem.
- 9:43It's a problem if when you are in the shop, you're trying to
- 9:47sell one way. When your junior cousin is in
- 9:49the shop, she she's selling one way.
- 9:52When your older son comes in on Wednesday, he he's selling
- 9:54another way. It's a problem because
- 9:57everybody's just freestyling and it's not possible to iterate and
- 10:01improve the selling process when everybody's just freestyling up
- 10:04and down. Everybody should be using the
- 10:06same script, using the same style, using the same scope,
- 10:10using the same framework, using the same whatever it is that you
- 10:13want to call it. That way, you and your son and
- 10:16your junior cousin, you guys can be able to have discussions at
- 10:18the end of the week on Friday to say, ah, mommy, I know you say
- 10:22we should be talking like this, like this, like this, but this
- 10:24thing is not work, you know? So by the time your junior
- 10:27cousin says this, your son says this, your husband says this,
- 10:29you will now know that, OK, this part of the sales process, this
- 10:32is how we need to change it so we can get this business to
- 10:35move. That is not possible if you guys
- 10:38don't have a sales process and if everybody just freestyling up
- 10:41and down. So this freestyling thing,
- 10:43please cut it out. You guys need to come up with a
- 10:46process and everybody has to be on board.
- 10:48If this is your first time listening to the show, no
- 10:51worries. Skip back a couple of episodes.
- 10:53I've already done, OK, I can't remember the episode, but you
- 10:57will hear how I said everybody like we need to come up with the
- 11:01sales process, a selling framework, a sales script, a
- 11:03sales methodology, the scope or whatever it is you want to call
- 11:07it, and everybody needs to be trained upon it.
- 11:10So just after you're done listening to this, skip back,
- 11:12listen to previous episodes. Then another problem with no
- 11:17sales process or everybody freestyling is this the brand
- 11:21projection that you're trying to make for this business will not
- 11:23become incoherent because remember, you are the one who
- 11:26has set up this business. So you think this is how my
- 11:29customers should feel. This how should treat them.
- 11:31So you're trying to project one kind brand, but you didn't train
- 11:34up your younger cousin. She comes tomorrow and she she's
- 11:37just doing thing anyhow, maybe for you, you think let's be
- 11:40nice, let's be professional, address everybody as Mr. so so,
- 11:44so and so. No chewing gum when you're in
- 11:46the store, your younger cousin comes in maybe different age
- 11:50bracket. She thinks you can't be on first
- 11:52name with everybody and she's a stranger in gum.
- 11:54You know, you can see how the problems in brand projection,
- 11:59market positioning and what not start to happen because you
- 12:02didn't have a process that says this is how we start, this is
- 12:06how we address people, this is how we dress and this is the
- 12:10culture. This is what is acceptable.
- 12:12This is not this is what is not acceptable.
- 12:16So these are problems that they can cause.
- 12:18Also, another problem for not having a sales process is if you
- 12:22don't have one, sales people are going to make promises you can't
- 12:24keep. One day your son is going to be
- 12:26in the store, he's going to try to be enterprising and then he's
- 12:29going to say, ah, no problem, we have warranty and we have
- 12:31guarantee on this baby Gap product.
- 12:34Meanwhile, you if you don't want to do guarantees or warranties,
- 12:38these problems will start arising.
- 12:40Your people who are selling your behalf and start making promises
- 12:42that you can't keep. You're not running into a
- 12:44problem. The solution is just implement
- 12:47sales training. You don't have to bring someone
- 12:50in like me and pay me hundreds of thousands.
- 12:52If you do, I'll be happy and I want your business to succeed.
- 12:56So I'm going to give it my all. But I have over 900 episodes
- 13:01available over here on the podcast.
- 13:03They're here as free learning resources that you can take
- 13:08advantage of. So take advantage of them, use
- 13:10them, come up with your own system.
- 13:14You can do some sales training. In fact, it can be better for
- 13:16you that way so that by the time you bring somebody on me on
- 13:19board, the person like me can say, OK, what have you guys
- 13:22tried so far? What worked, what didn't work?
- 13:24You're not going to be able to make progress because you have a
- 13:26certain sense of the fundamentals.
- 13:28So the solution, sales training, pay attention to podcast like
- 13:32mine doesn't have to be me, the other podcast out there and
- 13:35other YouTube videos. Then for ineffective sales
- 13:39processes that happens when there's no clear structure for
- 13:42lead qualification, lead nurturing and closing deals.
- 13:46Now remember that the lead is anybody who has raised their
- 13:48hand to say, I might be interested.
- 13:50Qualification is the process of making sure that the people
- 13:54we're talking to, are they my kind of people?
- 13:57Because the fact they sell Mamas and Papas, stroller, feeding
- 14:02bottle, blah, blah, blah, doesn't mean any kind Mama and
- 14:05Papa should enter your shop. And there are certain kinds of
- 14:07Mamas and Papas you're looking for.
- 14:09So you need to have a clear structure for that.
- 14:12When we're designing Flyers, we will only drop the flyer in
- 14:15these kinds of school or these kinds of churches because this
- 14:18is where we expect certain kinds of Mama mommies and daddies to
- 14:21come from. You know, don't want to drop it
- 14:23in Whistle One primary school, that one is a public school.
- 14:26Those people who come here, they will even see the AC in our
- 14:30shop. They'll be intimidated, they'll
- 14:31go away. They won't even ask anything.
- 14:33We need to drop it at this private school or Luma or
- 14:36private school. What's that big one again?
- 14:40And you know all the big schools in your area.
- 14:42So you guys need to have a clear structure and the process for
- 14:45these sorts of things. So how are we going to get
- 14:48leads? How are we going to qualify
- 14:49leads? How are we going to nurture
- 14:51leads? Lead nurturing is important
- 14:53because now everybody there is going to buy.
- 14:54There are some people that enter your shop who are genuinely big
- 14:56boys or big girls. But let's say the guy that
- 14:59entered the shop is just him. It's just a guy alone.
- 15:02He has been hearing his wife talk about Mamas and Papas.
- 15:04So he just entered just to see. So it's not so if he can't
- 15:07afford anything, it's just that for him he doesn't know anything
- 15:11about babies clothes and feeding bottle and everything.
- 15:14So he has seen and is like OK, the place is OK.
- 15:16In his heart of hearts, he intend to return later with
- 15:19Madam. You now need to be able to be
- 15:22skilled at starting a conversation, getting his
- 15:24contact details, building a relationship with him, and
- 15:27making sure that he comes back later with Madam, who is the one
- 15:31who is particular about what kind of feeding bottle or which
- 15:34kind of stretcher. Sorry, not stretcher.
- 15:37Hey, look at me. I say stretcher.
- 15:38Stretcher is for hospital. I mean, stroller.
- 15:43Yeah, stroller. That's one they put baby inside.
- 15:46So which kind of stroller or which kind of baby blanket or
- 15:49which kind of baby, excuse me, baby curtain and then stuff like
- 15:52that. So we need to have a clear
- 15:55structure, clear process for things like that.
- 16:00So we need to have very clear ideas.
- 16:03We need to agree you and your husband running the shop, your
- 16:07niece or your nephew who is selling for you during the
- 16:09holidays. You guys need to have clear
- 16:11agreement. Who is your ideal customer when
- 16:16we're having conversations with them?
- 16:18What's the kind of data we're trying to capture?
- 16:19What's the system for follow up? All these sorts of things.
- 16:22In fact, delayed follow up and a lack of lead prioritization.
- 16:28Sorry, forgive me. That also is a problem already
- 16:32defined lead, lead, lead. So no need to define again.
- 16:35But prioritization, that's a new term, at least for this episode.
- 16:40It just means you don't pay equal attention to everybody.
- 16:45There's somebody who will come into the shop who is clearly a
- 16:47worker pass. Don't waste time with the worker
- 16:49pass. You know, he's just curious.
- 16:51Then there's somebody who is an Odugu was coming, but who is not
- 16:56educated on these sorts of things and who wants to come
- 16:58back with Madam later. Then there are those cases where
- 17:01Odogo comes in with Madam and they are paid up and they're
- 17:05ready to buy something. Now, if those three people are
- 17:08in the shop, you need to prioritize the worker pass.
- 17:11You need to be able to politely allow him to work up pass or let
- 17:14him look at inventory. The father who is just looking
- 17:17through and he has no idea, but everything looks all right.
- 17:20He wants to come back with Madam later.
- 17:22You need to find a way of quickly building some rapport,
- 17:25collecting his contact details and then following up with him
- 17:28afterwards. But then the Odogo and his law
- 17:31law who are in the shop now I will have money, dollars to
- 17:35spend. Now you need to spend time with
- 17:37those people now. See, that's what we mean by
- 17:40price as a prioritization. Leads are passing through, but
- 17:45not all. Just like not all fingers are
- 17:47created equal, not all leads are created equal.
- 17:49So I'm not saying the worker pass is a rubbish human being
- 17:52that you should disrespect him. No, all human beings are created
- 17:56in the image of God and everybody deserves respect.
- 18:00But you know, this is about business.
- 18:01I'm trying to capture some money here.
- 18:03I'm trying to capture some value here.
- 18:05So I'll prioritize who it is that I have to deal with at the
- 18:08moment and in what context. But of course, be respectful to
- 18:11everybody. Mine's one shop where we went
- 18:14into, my wife was looking at it and she picked it up and she
- 18:18looked at some stuff and everything.
- 18:20And the way the sales girl was just behaving, I just told my
- 18:22wife, look, let's leave. Then my wife started, my wife
- 18:25started laughing. I said no, that let's leave,
- 18:26that this is absolute rubbish. I mean, like the attitude she's
- 18:28giving us, like if you guys are not buying, you should just
- 18:31leave. I said, let's leave.
- 18:32We'll never enter the shop again.
- 18:33And we left no long after the shop went out of business.
- 18:37And I'm told my wife that, look, I know that that's the reason
- 18:39why the shop went out of business, because this girl,
- 18:41she's the one that killed the place, should just be giving
- 18:43everybody attitude and people are coming there.
- 18:47You kind of look at somebody and say this person doesn't have
- 18:49money, like you're not going to buy anything.
- 18:50They should go. So respect everyone.
- 18:53But yes, prayer resides. You need to figure out who it is
- 18:56they're going to pay attention to.
- 18:58And by the way, for those of you who tell your little cousins to
- 19:01come and sell in your shop is the reason why I should train
- 19:04them this. Your cousin should be giving
- 19:07people attitude and then should ruin your business.
- 19:09And you think that people are chasing you from the village.
- 19:11It's not from the village. It's not that people are angry
- 19:14with you or people don't like your husband or whatever.
- 19:17The attack is not spiritual. The problem is your little
- 19:20cousin was not trained. She was giving everybody
- 19:22attitude and pissing everybody off.
- 19:24So people just left. And then the shop rent that
- 19:27you're paying inside the Plaza is high.
- 19:29You're paying shop rent in millions.
- 19:31Your baby cousin is pissing everybody off, so you're not
- 19:35getting revenue. That's why the business folded.
- 19:37It's not because people were chasing you from the village.
- 19:40OK, so let's see. Let me look at my list of
- 19:46questions here because we have done 20 minutes so to make sure
- 19:50that we don't spend too much time here.
- 19:54Where was I? OK man, what carried away in
- 19:59personal issues, where was I? Anyway, I think you guys are
- 20:04getting the gist generally. So processing can also show up
- 20:08in poor customer experience. You know, slow response times,
- 20:11lack of follow up, poor service. This is why sales training is
- 20:15important. I've already spoken about the
- 20:17CRM, that's the customer relationship management tool.
- 20:21It helps you to track customer interactions and what people's
- 20:24preferences are. Because back to that example,
- 20:27the mumsy that came and bought when baby was six months, you
- 20:30want to holler her when it is one year.
- 20:32You need to know her preferences because there's some people who
- 20:36for them baby Gap is small because everybody wears Baby
- 20:40Gap. Some people think that Baby Gap
- 20:42is for commoners, maybe for them they prefer baby Balenciaga or
- 20:47baby Louis Vuitton or something. So you need to know when you're
- 20:51calling Madame up in one year to say how is baby oh,
- 20:54congratulations, happy birthday, blah, blah, blah.
- 20:57If Madame is a baby Louis Vuitton kind of person or baby
- 21:02Sean John kind of person, where you call her and you're talking
- 21:04Baby Gap, you're insulting her. The CRM is what will help you
- 21:07track all these sorts of things. The CRM will say, now Madame
- 21:10came six months ago, this is what she bought.
- 21:13These are the conversations that she had.
- 21:15You think this is her kind of style, You know something like
- 21:18that. When you're calling up in one
- 21:19month say congratulations on sorry in six months say
- 21:23congratulations on baby's birth. They're trying to follow up to
- 21:25kind of get repeat business. You'll be able to make the best
- 21:28kind of solutions because you have put all these things down
- 21:31our preferences in the CRM. So the solution on this whole
- 21:36CRM thing, if you don't want to spend money, you think CRM is
- 21:41expensive, there are free resources that you can use.
- 21:44You can teach your baby cousin how to use the phone in the
- 21:48office, in the store, as a note taking tool and as a scheduling
- 21:52tool. Take notes, schedule things, put
- 21:55reminders, blah, blah, blah. So when you're calling Mumsy
- 21:57back in another six months when baby must have been one year
- 22:03old, you'll be able to have fruitful conversations because
- 22:05you're not running it from your head.
- 22:07It's not from memory. It's because you can actually
- 22:09look at the phone and you will see there Odoku Cynthia and then
- 22:13you see the details. She purchase blah, blah blah.
- 22:16She grew up US. She fancies this, this, this,
- 22:20this, this blah blah, blah, blah blah.
- 22:22Possible recommendations for one month.
- 22:24Is this item, this item, this item?
- 22:27They can have the conversation. So the phone that you put in the
- 22:30shop has a free resource. Then there's also Excel.
- 22:33Some people use Microsoft Excel and put everything like that.
- 22:36It's kind of rough, especially for those of us who don't like
- 22:39Excel. But yeah, it's available.
- 22:41It's something you can do. Then there's also Evernote or
- 22:44Trello. These are phone apps.
- 22:45They're actually are project management things and but The
- 22:48thing is, they're free. They're on your phone, you can
- 22:50just use them. Then also free CRM options like
- 22:53ODO, then there's paid options in the Nigerian market because
- 22:57like Zodo is not, sorry, not Zodo.
- 22:59Zoho is not available in Niger. So pricing is in Niger.
- 23:03So you don't have to do that whole dollar conversion thing
- 23:05anymore that you know, if your Tina Boo sneezes and the price
- 23:09of fuel goes up, then the monthly amount that you spend
- 23:13for your CRM goes up. So Zoho is not available.
- 23:16Pricing is now in Niger, fixed for a certain number of people.
- 23:21So this pretty much sums up all the problems in this category,
- 23:25the process problems that people can come across.
- 23:28So tomorrow we're going to continue with the list of more
- 23:31reasons why your sales performance could be declining.
- 23:34And then of course, we're also going to talk about things you
- 23:36can do to remedy the situation because what's the whole point
- 23:39of talking about problems if nobody's going to talk about
- 23:42solution? So that's all for today folks.
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- 24:10Thank you very much for your time and attention.
- 24:12I'll get you guys at the next episode.