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245. Ashys post surgery update PLUS will Tijana spend $26 000 ? 🤭 · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Welcome to the She Rises Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Ashy and I'm Tiana. This podcast is about.
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  Speaker 1: Get ready for your next level of self. Hello everybody,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to She Rises Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This has been a very long awaited episode. That's an exaggeration.
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  Speaker 2: Ten weeks since my surgery.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, it's been that long already, Ie you crazy? Hey
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  Speaker 1: time flags Now I'm fun.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was going to do an episode about
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  Speaker 2: my upper bleaff surgery a little while ago last when
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  Speaker 2: we were filming, but there's other episodes that I just
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  Speaker 2: felt like was more important. And then since I didn't
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  Speaker 2: do that episode, I get so many DM's been like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Wik did I miss it?
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear all the details. So I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about that today and then you're also
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  Speaker 2: going to be sharing your journey of what you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be doing with your boobies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my breasting plant journey and what I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: be doing doctor that I found.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, a couple of different options that I have the
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  Speaker 3: option to do when it comes to my surgery, which.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into it.
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  Speaker 2: But we're going to do our share of the week.
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  Speaker 2: We actually have the same one. We were talking about
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  Speaker 2: this on the way up, but it's a something that
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  Speaker 2: we both take now. I started taking this. It was
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  Speaker 2: over a year and a half ago. I remember when
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  Speaker 2: I first started taking it and then I had my
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  Speaker 2: brain surgeries and I couldn't take it. It's like a form
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  Speaker 2: of tumeric and the brand is called Stamina, and I
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  Speaker 2: absolutely love it as soon as I was off my
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  Speaker 2: blood thinners.
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  Speaker 1: I ordered it straight away.
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  Speaker 2: I got Tiana onto it too, because it's not only
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  Speaker 2: so much. It's such an easy one to take.
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  Speaker 3: So then, especially if you're on like a healing journey,
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  Speaker 3: a gut journey, anything like that, turmeric is going to
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  Speaker 3: be an amazing supplement to add to your stack. It's
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  Speaker 3: very well constructed. I remember taking this to Flatnerys and
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  Speaker 3: I ran out one time. I was like, do you
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  Speaker 3: guys have this supplement and they were like, no, we
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  Speaker 3: don't have anything that good here. Yeah, And I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: that about the supplement, which is cool. And for me,
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  Speaker 3: I know, like as you guys may have known, or
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  Speaker 3: if you don't, I've dealt with ceris for like my
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  Speaker 3: whole life, and so being able to take something that
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  Speaker 3: actually supports it now my skin feels so amazing. When
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  Speaker 3: I take it consistently, it's like ballmer clears up straight away.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the website as well? Was it similar?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the website as well.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, and they do like glass bottles. But then you
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  Speaker 2: can buy the refillable packets. Yeah, which is so good
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  Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, I find too my like if
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  Speaker 2: you get PMS symptoms, it's from inflammation and stress in
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  Speaker 2: your body. So tumor's like an all natural supplement. It
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  Speaker 2: helps my PM symptoms. That and sauna like game changer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I really don't get many symptoms. The week before my period,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a bit more tired. But otherwise I
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  Speaker 2: don't get bloating, I don't get back pain, I don't
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  Speaker 2: get sare boobs, I don't get headaches anymore. Like I
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  Speaker 2: took away all the symptoms that I used to get. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: and I noticed when I was on my blood thinners.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed now I'm back on it. I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that one change makes such a huge difference for me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we love a good product, and we do.
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  Speaker 2: Alrighty, let's get into it. So I had an upper
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  Speaker 2: bluff surgery and this has been something that I have
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  Speaker 2: been wanting to get for so many years, Like it's
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  Speaker 2: something I've really thought out and researched, and I've been
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  Speaker 2: in forums for years, like watching other women all around
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  Speaker 2: the world have their surgeries and their experiences and their recovery,
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  Speaker 2: what helped, what doctors and surgeons they went through. I
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  Speaker 2: went for three different consults and this one particular, one
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  Speaker 2: guy that I went to, he was recommended me by
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  Speaker 2: a makeup artist because he and five of her friends
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  Speaker 2: had all been to him and absolutely loved him. Now
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say who he is. And I
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  Speaker 2: said this on my social media the other day, because
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  Speaker 2: if you went to him from recommendation from me and
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  Speaker 2: something went wrong, I'm just not going to risk oving
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  Speaker 2: someone come at me, baron. And I know it sounds
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  Speaker 2: crazy if this has happened to a girl. I know
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  Speaker 2: she recommended a breast surgeon. The friend had a horrible
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  Speaker 2: experience and then went back to her and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I would you recommend someone da Da It's been so
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  Speaker 2: bad Now I have to go to someone else, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's not her fault. But no, of course,
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  Speaker 2: not any surgery, any surgeon, no matter where you go
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. In the world, there is risks. It is
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  Speaker 2: risky to have plastic surgery. I'm not sitting here promoting
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  Speaker 2: it saying you should get it. Do your fucking research
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  Speaker 2: and don't do this unless you are one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: yes doing this for you. It took me like five
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  Speaker 2: years to actually book this and get it done. That's
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  Speaker 2: how long I've wanted it for. But I am so
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  Speaker 2: happy I did it. I love the result. I'm only, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: ten weeks post surgery, so it's still healing obviously, and
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  Speaker 2: I can still feel I've got one internal stitch in
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  Speaker 2: my right eye. I do wonder if he could have
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  Speaker 2: taken a little bit more skin out of my right eye.
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  Speaker 2: I don't notice every day, but some days there's like
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  Speaker 2: a little tiny line. But I'm being very, very picky.
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  Speaker 1: You're allowed to be.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll go for my check up in four weeks
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  Speaker 2: and I'm curious to see what he thinks of it.
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  Speaker 2: But I look back at a video the other day
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, Wow, it's so different. One of
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  Speaker 2: my eyes used to look so much smaller than the
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  Speaker 2: other one. Now they just look more even, and I
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  Speaker 2: just feel like I look more awake. But it's not
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  Speaker 2: even what it looks like for me. When I used
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  Speaker 2: to get quite tired, or if I cried a lot,
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  Speaker 2: the skin would get so heavy that it was almost
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  Speaker 2: like hard for me to see. I'd have to like
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  Speaker 2: kind of adjust the skin on the top of my
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  Speaker 2: eye because it was getting so heavy. Whereas now I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm walking around white eye.
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  Speaker 3: I remember you even used to say before surgery that
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  Speaker 3: you used to notice that, like one of your eye
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  Speaker 3: was in photos. You noticed it would like swint a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more, whereas you don't feel out at all.
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  Speaker 1: I looked close. I was like, what's going on? And
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  Speaker 1: do you feel that was the side that felt heavier?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Actually, oh really? Oh in photos? In photos? Yeah that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, probably say how was the surgery first
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  Speaker 1: of all? Like I was awake for it. Yeah, tell
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  Speaker 1: us about it.
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  Speaker 2: I love medical stuff. Like if you can put any
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  Speaker 2: medical show, if someone snapped their leg in half, like
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't look at it and think gross, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, where's the bone?
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  Speaker 1: Like so true, it's you through and through.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. There's nothing medical that can gross me.
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  Speaker 2: I love medical shows. I've watched all of them. And
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  Speaker 2: even on surgeries, Like I was watching surgeries on TikTok
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  Speaker 2: and YouTube beforehand.
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  Speaker 1: Really, she was sending them to me.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I can't watch it
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  Speaker 3: makes me squirm, and she's like, really, I love it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, the week before I wentto surgery, like Steve
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  Speaker 2: and I stayed up one night we were just watching
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  Speaker 2: all these surgeries and like the recovery process through it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it just made me feel like more prepared as to
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  Speaker 2: what's coming.
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  Speaker 3: And was there any part of you that were scared
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  Speaker 3: leading up to going into surgery to get it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if scared is the right word. No,
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  Speaker 1: like a little bit nervous.
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  Speaker 2: Nervous, But even on the day, like you're with me,
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty cool, calm and collected. I was more excited.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was there, but I'm sure everybody else
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  Speaker 1: wants to know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I was in a pretty high
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  Speaker 2: vibe and really excited. So I was awake. The reason
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  Speaker 2: I did this is it's a lot cheaper and it's
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  Speaker 2: literally a forty five minute surgery, like it's actually if
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  Speaker 2: my surgeon said, this is one of the easier surgeries,
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  Speaker 2: like it's in and out. He does so many a days,
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  Speaker 2: so many a week. It's like, good do it with
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  Speaker 2: his eyes closed. So that made me feel quite good.
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  Speaker 2: They did give me a tablet to relax me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but they left me in the room for too long,
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  Speaker 2: so I've got like I had a little nap.
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  Speaker 1: But I were just sending you photos for photos.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I'm relaxed. But by the time he came
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  Speaker 2: back in, I was like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wide awake. I'm ready to get I need another
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  Speaker 1: one of those pills.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, no, no, you've had one. They'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: But I had gas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The hardest thing about, like the only really hard thing
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  Speaker 2: about the upper blet was having local anesthetic put into
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  Speaker 2: my fucking eyeballs. That stings like a bitch. If anyone's
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  Speaker 2: ever had local, I feel like I've got a pretty
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  Speaker 2: high pain tolerance that. Oh my god, it's like a
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  Speaker 2: thousand beastings.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, such a sensitive area too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like the knee, so like I cried. I
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  Speaker 2: think like I had a little ah for about twenty seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Once that was done, I was like, I can't feel it.
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  Speaker 2: He was like talking about his daughter and the nurse
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  Speaker 2: was having a good old chin wag and everyone's just
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  Speaker 2: like chatting it, chatting like a normal day, just chatting
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  Speaker 2: like a normal day. And it was like forty five
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  Speaker 2: minutes it was done. I could not feel a single thing.
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  Speaker 2: They put little tape over my eyes afterwards, and like
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even really swell, I didn't really bruise. The
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  Speaker 2: recovery I found quite easy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Did you find that them talking you through it and
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  Speaker 3: talking to you throughout was like a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: good distraction.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And he did say that, he's like, ash, he
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  Speaker 2: just sidding, you know, I am just like chatting away
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: because it's a good distraction for you. Let me know
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  Speaker 2: off that doesn't feel good. I was like, no, it's
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: actually interesting hearing about didn't he sing to you? Oh yeah,
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: so a little bit. I was like, okay, and like
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: the gas. I love gas. The gas worked, but not
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: as well as what I thought it would. Yeah, but
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: he said, because you were probably nervous and it's like
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  Speaker 2: you're awake for it, it might not have hit his hard.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember him saying to me, when you suck
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  Speaker 2: the gas, like suck it for fifteen to twenty seconds.
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  Speaker 2: But he said afterwards I was like blowing out a
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  Speaker 2: bit too quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was holding it for long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, the actually that was the actual so
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  Speaker 2: it was quite easy. We were in Sydney for it,
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  Speaker 2: and we stayed a couple of nights down there too
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  Speaker 2: and just worked and children in the hotel room because
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  Speaker 2: I had to stay down there for five days then
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  Speaker 2: get my stitches out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So then getting the stitches out I was a bit
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  Speaker 2: nervous for but I had gas and I don't even
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  Speaker 2: remember it.
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  Speaker 1: You did really well. I was in the room for
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  Speaker 1: that and you did amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I can't remember. So I didn't
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  Speaker 2: hurt at all.
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  Speaker 3: I remember like asking as she if she was okay,
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  Speaker 3: cause I was like touching her leg and just like
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  Speaker 3: kind of distracting her and I was like, ye, good baby,
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  Speaker 3: and she puts her thumb up in the air, the
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  Speaker 3: eyes closed.
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  Speaker 1: She's like m M, I.
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  Speaker 2: Remember you're saying to me after you watching it looked
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  Speaker 2: like it was really hurting and you were like tearing.
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  Speaker 1: Up, and I did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was hard to watch because I was like, oh
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: my gosh, I can feel her pain.
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  Speaker 1: And then she comes out after and she's like nah,
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: I'm good. I was like, oh wow, okay, I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Fully feeling for me, and I'm like, whoa, maybe I'm
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: just a sensitive Sally.
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: But also medical stuff like that for me is that
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  Speaker 3: it makes me a little bit more skirmish. Yes, being
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: there to support you different story, but like when I
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: know that it's on me, I'm like, oh and.
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  Speaker 2: Just watching someone in pain, like if you think the
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: pain is not nice.
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  Speaker 3: And someone that you love to yeah, like, oh my god,
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: let me take away your pain for you.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was a much easier process size and
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  Speaker 2: what I thought, so.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so cool.
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  Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned the difference before of having
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  Speaker 3: to like lift the skin, noticing a difference in photos
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  Speaker 3: when you take photos.
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  Speaker 1: Now, do you feel happy with the result.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel a lot happier and more open
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  Speaker 2: and even like when I have I got my eyelashes
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  Speaker 2: lifted the other day and it just looks like normal
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  Speaker 2: eyes now, like there's no skin getting in the way. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I feel just more awake, Like I feel like it
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't make me look twenty years younger, but it makes
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  Speaker 2: me look fresher and not so tired.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like I looked very tired all the time,
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't Like I fet not tired.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: My energy levels are high.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like I look a lot fresher.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: And even though it doesn't make me look ten years younger,
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like it will keep me looking more this
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: age for longer.
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  Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe when I'm forty or forty five, I will still
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  Speaker 2: look in my late thirties.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, I love it, I hope. Yeah.
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned that you had been wanting
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: the surgery for about five years. Now that you've been
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: through the surgery, would you wait that long again?
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  Speaker 2: I wish I went earlier. And I've got another girlfriend
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: that's been thinking about it for a while too, but
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: she's just so scared and I'm like, just get it.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: You will love it, Like I wish I did it sooner.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it wasn't as bad as what you no.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it might be, And I honestly thought from
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: the forums I'm in, most people bruise like a motherfucker.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm talking. I had a girlfriend actually in America.
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  Speaker 2: I held it a week before me, so I was
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: talking to her heat she was black and blue. She
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: couldn't even open her eyes they were so swollen. So
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: when I'm sending her photo, she's like, what the.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: Fuck you're over here about to book in, And You're.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: Like, I recovered exceptionally well and I really did not bruise.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm surprised I didn't bruise because I was obviously
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: on blood that i'd been off them for a while
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: from that, because you can't have surgery when you're on
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: blood thinners. I've been off them for I think close
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: to three months, a couple months, but I'm still would
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  Speaker 2: have thought I might have bruised more easily compared to
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: the average person. So a lot of people asked the cost, actually,
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: so I can't remember it all up, but I think
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: it was roughly round four and a half grand. But
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: I did get other quotes. There was someone on the
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: goal coach that could do it for two and then
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: there was another person in Sydney that I got a
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: quote from and he was six. So I really think
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: it depends on the surgery, how in demand they are,
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: maybe their.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: Experience, any other fees on top of that.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly what hospital they perform it in. So I just
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: think when I even want to get asked about my
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: boobs all the time. An when I've never given the
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: name out, I just say it's important for you to
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: get multiple quotes. We'll talk about your Your story is
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: perfect reason why I stand by this. Yeah, it's like
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: go to different surgeons to get different quotes and see
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: who you actually connect with, and see what options they give,
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: and see what that feels like for you. Because you've
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: gone we'll get into yours now. But you've got three
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: different surgeons who have all kind of said three completely
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: different things, three completely different things. It's been really interesting going.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: At first, I was really hesitant.
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, if I just go to
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: the one person who I do my research on, yeah,
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: I can get one quote, lock it in, Because to me,
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: in my head, I'm like, I just want to lock
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: it in.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: And I actually did.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: I had a previous surgery booked with a different surgeon
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: on the goal coat. Yeah.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: I actually even started paying off the payment.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: For three weeks after I had my surgery. You want
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: to get it done, that's right.
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: So I had actually booked in, I had a surgery
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: date and everything, and I started hearing all of these
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: stories about local women or women of friends of friends
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: who were coming back with all this negative feedback from
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: their experience with him, and for some reason, I just
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: kept coming to Ash and I was like, Oh, this
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel good for some reason, He's not the one.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: He's not the one.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: And I'm really glad that I ended up listening to that,
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: because I, especially when it comes to something like surgery,
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: I never want to feel iffy or not feel confident
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: with the surgeon that you're going decision.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a bottage. And then I went
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: to that guy.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: And before we go into all of that, just in
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: case no one hasn't heard your story, what are you
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: actually getting done? And why are you getting it done?
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: And then will go into like not the names of surgeons,
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: but like why you went to different people?
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: So with my breast implants, I've had breast implants for
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: over ten years now, and when I was younger, I
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: got them quite young. I think I was like eighteen
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: when I got them, but I went quite big, so
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: I have quite large implants. But beyond that, over time,
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: they've capsulated. And basically, if you don't know what capsulation means,
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: it basically just means that there's a foreign object in
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: the body and my body is rejecting it, so.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: It's forming scar tissue around it.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: So it's forming scar tissue around it because it's trying
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: to get rid of the foreign object in my body.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: But obviously that I can't do that. It's creating more
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: and more scar tissue as my body tries to fight it.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: And so a lot of women do come up with
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: this issue. And what it tends to do is it
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: tends to alter the shape of the breast as well,
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: and it can also make them really firm, so it
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: can harden them impact their shape, and also it can
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: cause discomfort and pain for a lot of women. I'm
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: very lucky in that sense. I'm very lucky to say
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: that I don't have any pain. But I can't lay
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: on my.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Chest like when we go get a message.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: I literally have to prop myself up with a pillar
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: underneath my chest just so that i'm like flush and
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: it has some support so I'm not putting so much
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: pressure on my chest. And yeah, I've been wanting to
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: get this surgery done probably for at least five years.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I would say I remember thinking and talking about this
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one because I started to notice one
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: they're feeling a little bit more firm, they're feeling a
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: little bit more uncomfortable. And outside of that, I'm also
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: a very different woman, Like from when I got these
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: implants when I was eighteen to where I am now,
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: I feel so very different and they are very big
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: in comparison.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: To my frame. Whereas when I was younger, I was like,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yes, I love this. Yeah, I just
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: and it was so normalized to me.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: All the women around me had them, all of my
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: family had them, my siblings, my sisters, my Naan, and
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: my mom, Like it was so normalized in my family
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: to get them. And as I've changed and grown, I'm like, ooh,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: it kind of attracts a certain level of attention that
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: I don't want, like not a good kind of attention.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: And I don't want people to see me and go,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, the first thing I see is her boobs,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Like I don't want people to be drawn to my chest.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: I want people to acknowledge me for me, and like
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: want to get to know me for me, not for that.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, just over time, it just changed, and yeah,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: what I valued change and I just doesn't feel like
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: it represents who I am and how I feel inside. Yeah,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: so I've been wanting to go down the journey of
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: either getting smaller implants, and through that journey of wanting
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: to get smaller implants, a lot of different surgeons have
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: suggested different things because what I will need to get
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: is quite an extensive surgery. It's not just implants out
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: change them over. What they've suggested is different ones.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, one surgeon has suggested that I first
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: one say so, the first.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Surgeon that I went to, who essentially was the first
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: person I had locked in to book and go for
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: the surgery with, he suggested that I go in and
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: get one surgery and get my implants taken out and
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: essentially not need to get a lift. But the thing
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: with that is he goes, you can come in and
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: do that, and I can put new implants back in.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: But he's like, there's a likely hive percentage that you
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: will have to come in for a second surgery if
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: it doesn't look the way that you want it to look,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: because he's like, you would have to get a lift,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: you'd have to get implants out, new amplants back in,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: and it's quite an extensive surgery.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And there's no chance of going smaller with him either.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: That's the thing up.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wanted to go smaller with him, and
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: he goes, I can't go smaller with you without giving
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: you a lift. But he's like, we can do it,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: but you will probably have to come back. And then
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: he also said as well, He's like, if you do
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: decide to get inplants back in, you'll have a fifty
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: percent chance of the capsulation coming back. And that was
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: his first opinion, and that sent me on an absolute spiral.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: After that, I ended up canceling with him, going and
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: getting another opinion. And the next person that I saw
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: he suggested the two surgeries as well, except what he
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: suggested for me was to go in, take my implants out,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: give my body a break for six months, and then
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: come back in six months time, get a lift, get
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: new implants back in. And I was beside myself. I
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: feel like, I just was like, oh my gosh. To
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: go from what I have now to flat chested, which
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: is what I was before, felt like such a big change.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: But he did say to me in that journey, he goes,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: the good thing about if you give your body a
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: break is that if you do have extra symptoms, which
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I told him that I do, just like inflammation in
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: my body and things like thatsis and psiriasis on my skin,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: issues with my gums. He goes, those are symptoms of
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: breast implant illness, and so he goes, the good thing
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: about having a break is that if you do six months,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: you'll be able to see is if you take.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: The implants out and your body gets better.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: He's like, you, you will have to consider not coming
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: back in to get the second surgery done. So he's like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: if you are concerned about your body, this is going
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to be a really good way to do it. And
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: he goes, if it were my sister or my mum,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: this is what I would suggest for her to do.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And after that I was so upset.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, babe, I was like just I was obviously like
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: upset about it. I know it sounds like a superficial thing,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: but it's obviously a huge change, and I know that
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I would be fine. And also when it comes to
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the conversation around like my health or something superficial, I
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: will always choose my health, but it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that it's any less hard.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was just like really confronting to hear
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: such a different perspective of going, oh my god, I
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: have to get them out entirely.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: You're not made potentially not get them put back in.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: That's right, So he said, in the first surgery, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: can put them back in if you want me to.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: But if I put them back in without giving your
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: body a break, then you will have an even higher
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: chance of capsulation. So he said, even if you wait,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: let your body heal, let it recover, you know, cut
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: out the capsulation, make sure that it's all healed and
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: all nice, and then we put them back in, then
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: you'll condense the chance of it actually coming back. And
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: so I'm over here with all this information in my
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: brain going, oh my god, like for do I decide?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: What do I do? What's the right thing.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I don't want to have to go through multiple surgeries
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: again if I decide this, and then eventually I have
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: to get them taken out. So I ended up finding
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: this other surgeon and he has been amazing. I think
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I found the person that I want to go with.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Now I just have to book it in.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: It's actually who did my surgery my breast and plants?
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's so lovely, so kind, amazing bed manner,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like you can tell that he genuinely cares. There's no
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: pressure or like trying to upsell you, So he's definitely
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: not trying to wear as like I felt a little
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: bit saalsy from the other guys or maybe just like
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: they've done it so much that you're just another patient,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: whereas this guy didn't feel that way, and he basically
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: kind of subdued like all of my fears, Like he
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: did say to me, I can take them out, give
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: you a lift, cut out the inflammation and the capsulation,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and put new ones back in and you will be fine,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Like he did say that it would be possible for
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: me to do that, because he suggested actually that the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: issues with my skin and my gums, actually I have
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with my breast implants and everything to
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: do with my gut. And in the past, and as
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I've mentioned in previous episodes, I've had gut issues.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I've done years.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Worth of antibiotics, I've had leaky gut like, I've had
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: chronic infections, like I've had it all. And so he's
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: saying to me, Tiana, go and heal your gut first,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and spend the next six to eight months, especially going
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: on a gut healing journey, come back to me, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: if your symptoms go away, then I will happily do
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: this surgery for you. And I thought that was such
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: an incredible perspective too, because he's like, look, the reality is,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: if you do take them out, you're probably not going
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to want to put them back in. So he's like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: if you do want to keep them in, we can
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: give you a different implant that's going to suit your
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: body better, that's going to support your body, and you
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: heal your gut, and then we can prevent this happening
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: again for a second time.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: So interesting hearing all the different opinions.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Hey, oh, it was really overwhelming at first, especially even
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: having the conversation around do I go smaller or do
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I get them removed entirely? Because getting them removed entirely
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: would mean that I would then go down the rabbit
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: hole of getting a fat graft.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Is that what he's called fat trassers? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: fat transfer take it from your inner thigh, yeah, right,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: because I would have nothing. I would go from I'm
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: a ten e right right now with my implants to
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: back to like a ten A or a B.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the adjustment huge adjustment.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm still tossing between what I want to do.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: If I could have my cake and eat it too,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I definitely would go just smaller implants, something that looks
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: way more natural than what mine currently.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Do with a lift.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: With a lift, yeah, I would have to because if
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I go like at least half the size, or if
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I go even just a little bit smaller, I will
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: have to get a lyft.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Because there's excess skin there, Yeah, xcess.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Skin, and then I'd run the risk of having to
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: go for a second surgery if it comes back and
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: it's not the way that I want it to look.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And we asked about fat transfer as an option to
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: not get implants, but he just said it doesn't work
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: like that because depending on how much fat you actually
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: have to grab to start with, and then if you
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: put like fat in both booze but then you lost weight,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: one of the boobs could go down and not the other,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and it just causes a bit imbalanced.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Didn't he say something like thirty percent of the fat
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: transfer can fail.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something I can't.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Quite remember, but like, oh, he said something so interesting
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: He's like thirty percent of what you transfer can fail
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: because your body is a system, like it's a full
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: organism that works right, and so the fat has like
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: blood that flows through it in vessels and things, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: when you remove it, you put in a syringe and
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: then you take it out of your body and then
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: you put it back in, and.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It's like it can fail because the flood doesn't get
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: It's right, So it doesn't work the same as what
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: it would. So he's like, it's almost not worth you
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: doing that, and for the amount that you would have
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: to do to be happy, He's like, I would actually
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: prefer you just to get smaller implants in.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And the last two surgeons both of the same thing too.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: They you do use fat from the enna thigh just
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: to kind of round and give a bit more softness
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: at the top of the implant to soften it and
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: maybe look like bring them a little bit closer together.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then there's an internal mesh.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Bra.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Did he say he'd do that for you? I think
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: so high.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I don't think he did. Yeah, okay,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: because that's always an option too, but maybe you didn't.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I think it was the first one that I went
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: with that. He did that, Yes, okay, yeah, that's an
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: option as well. But the one that I'm going to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: go with actually suggested an entirely new implant.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I can't remember what it's called. It's
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: not actually fully approved in Australia yet. He can get them,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: but he has to apply and like show them your
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: case and then they like if they approve you to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: get it done. It's quite new here, but it's huge overseas,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and it's like thirty percent lighter than the other implants.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And it is actually so much lighter.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I feel it in your hand. You're like, oh my god.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: The other old implants I carry a lot of weight
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: We felt two three hundred CC's and we felt so
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: much larger, which was just for an active girl too,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Like that would just feel so much nicer, not to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: be so top heavy.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to just like not have so much pressure
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: on my chest as well. Yeah, and that'd be good,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: he was saying as well. It's been used overseas for
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: like over ten to fifteen years or something like that,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: and in Germany, Switzerland, Yeah, it's the predominant implant that
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: they use over there. But in Australia apparently wear like behind.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: We are behind. Yeah, So where are you feeling at now, Like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: what are you more leaning towards doing.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely more leaning towards going smaller, Yeah, because lift
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: with the lift. I would like to go smaller with
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the lift and just heal my gut, which I'm doing.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I'm doing all of the things, all of the things
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: right now for the next six to eight months, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: then I can book in my surgery and give myself
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: time enough time to heal and if the symptoms go
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: away amazing. If they don't, then maybe I'll have another
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: conversation then. Yeah, But I think right now that's what
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I'm leaning towards. And then eventually if I do decide okay,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: maybe that wasn't the right decision, then I can look
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: at them getting them out.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: So when you say for my symptoms to be gone,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: would that be like no more gum bleeding and normal psoriasis,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: then that would be You're like, okay, I can get
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the surgery. But if they don't fully go away, would
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that then change your decision?
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I do think so, yeah, because if I can heal it,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: then I know, okay, something that plants, Yeah, it's something
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: in my body that's happening. If it can go away
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: while I have implants in maybe that's not the cause. Yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it contributes, because he did say that. He's like,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the capsulation will contribute to inflammation in your body, but
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: he's like, it might not be the reason why it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: being caused. So it's like, if you can remove your
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: external variables, then you can go, Okay, it's either implants
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: or it's not, and then you can make your decision
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: from there.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: See also the last one did he also suggests to
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: maybe do it in two surg weld give your body
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a break. I don't think you diddy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: He said he would be happy to do it in
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the once.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but give yourself this six to eight months. Yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and that's long, definitely long enough to rebuild your gut
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: back up and hopefully heal those symptoms or to see that's.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: What he said.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I think it was one surgery.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Which the one before that said let's take them out,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: give your body six months break. Yes, if the symptoms
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: go away, because apparently a lot of people that have
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: breastplant illness symptoms the moment the implants out, the next day,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: they feel better, their eyes and wrider. Yeah, they look
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: less swollen, like a lot of sympoms go away. So
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: it's like an automatic like, oh that was causing it. Yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: so I can see why he suggested that. But then also, yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: if you keep them in and repair your gut in
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: six months, you know that it's not related to the implants. Yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: so give you the same result.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he basically just said, I'd be more than
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: happy to do this for you. I'd be more than
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: happy to do it all in one go. Yeah, so
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: long as you heal your gut.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: So he gave me a book recommendation, he told me
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: what to do. He's like focused on this, and I
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: really like it because he had a little bit more
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: of like a holistic approach.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: He did, and I love that. Yeah, so lovely.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: He's got a really beautiful bed manna. But yeah, so
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: it definitely took up a lot of mental capacity. It
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: was definitely stressing of like whether I need to get
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: them out, And I feel like I kind of a
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: grieved like having to get them out because I was
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: committed to what these other doctors had told me of
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: like you need to do this, and I just was
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: fighting butting with it because I'm like I kind of
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I do want to keep them in.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I just want smaller, you know.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And then eventually if I do decide otherwise, like I
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: can think of that later down the track, but also
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: if it does come to my health and it is
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: impacting my health, then I'd get them out as like
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: a no brain of a decision. I would just then
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: go through the grieving journey and process. And again it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: just one of those things of like learning to love
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: myself regardless of how I look and it not being
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: a superficial thing and just yeah, grieving the way that
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I used to look, and learning how to love my
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: body now for going back to what was natural for me.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, in your identity and like sense of being accepted,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: love detracted, whatever comes up being tied to the size
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: of your chest.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Of course, because that was something that I had when
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I first got them done.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: When I first got them and I had nothing, I
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: remember thinking like, I feel like a little boy. But
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I was so young then too, you know, I hadn't
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: fully developed, and that was just a story I told myself.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: And then I remember when I got them, I was like, oh,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: my gosh, I feel so feminine and beautiful and sexy.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: And I really correlated that having implants with having a
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: chest being sexy. Yes, And then so I imagine the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: journey of taking them out and going back to my
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: natural body would be a journey of learning to love
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: myself as I was, And I think I would do
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: well with this level of awareness and consciousness that I
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: have now, like I've done a lot of work, but
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: it would just be another layer of that having to
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: love myself again.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because I am totally on s of your
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: ad as well. And it's like we see women with
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: flat chests or small boobs weather first to comment, I'm like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: oh my god, look how feminine and soft and beautiful
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: she looks, Oh my god, so much like so it
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: looks so beautiful. Yeah, it's just interesting what we've tied
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: all of that too. I remember the same when I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: was eighteen, I just was called to wrap my whole
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: life and like a prawn, ripped the head off, keep
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the body, like I just got so teased for what
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: my face looked like. So that was a big reason
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: why I got implants, because I'm like, okay, well they
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I'm more accepted because I have a quote unquote good body. Yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: if I get big implants, it'll just stracked from my
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: ugly face. Literally what I used to think. Yeah, I'm like, oh,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: what of sadness my younger version of myself of course, Yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it's like, that's sad. The reasons why people get so
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: why we go the size that we go. Oh it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: not necessary to have double ds. Oh my god, this
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: is not.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Necessary, say like a handfuls more than I loved them
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: over the years.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: But god, I did not need to do that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: But I was like what you experienced. I was very
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: insecure at that age two wasure. I was the only
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: one of my family who had small breasts, and for me,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: it was like this big strange thing.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Like separate, Yes, which is crazy to think about something
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: like surgery, And I don't think that now. When I look back,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I go, wow, like I wish I had somebody to
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: lead me then, at that age of you know, learning
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: to love myself or maybe even waiting a little bit
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: longer until I made the decision and spending a little
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: bit more time on what size I actually went. Yes,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: So I went very big, very quickly. But that was
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: also just like what was normalized around me and.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That generation too. For like, nowadays everyone's going to get implants. True,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: women are wanting to feel more feminine, more soft, not
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: have foreign objects in. It's more natural, like even makeup. Yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you don't see people walking around with dark, smoky eyes
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: anymore flashes. Like everyone is going more natural, so it's
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: more acceptable now. It was back when we got them
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: ten years older than you. But even then it was
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: like the bigger the better. Yeah, like if you're gotta
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: get breasts and plants, you're gonna go big.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: It's so true now.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I see videos on TikTok. It's like they call it
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the ballerina first lift and it's like two hundred CC's.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: It's like it's big. In New York, there's a doctor
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that doesn't cause the ballerina ones because ballerinas don't normally
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: have chests. But they're just such small implants. But just
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: for women that have nothing, they now have like they
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: can fill out a single at least. Yeah, they're just
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: feeling like I've got something.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: It's even like the Season of Lips and like bbls
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff, Like everyone went really
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: really big lips, and then everyone's like getting it removed
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: because it's too much, yeah, you know, or they're like
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: things have come back. It's like everyone went really intense
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: and then everyone's coming back.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I think if one's coming back to natural, it's so interesting.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I've had mine for ten years now, so I'd like
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to book in with our surgeon and just check to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: see if my are okay. Mine are definitely very soft
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and not hard, but obviously like breastfeeding and having two
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: babies and stuff, they're definitely change. I joke saying they're saxity.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: They're not super said joke.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: They're not like I've seen her naked.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: They're not to make it all the time. But they're
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: also not like I couldn't not wear a bra with
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: like a low cut top, but you want to wear
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a low cup top too, because I don't like male
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: attention that you get from wearing that. Yeah, and even
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: like active where that I wear, like I have to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: go up in sizes and buy we're talking about this morning.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: By Bikini's is quite hard because you need like say
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: an eight or ten bottom, but then you need an
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: extra large top.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It's so true. I'm like that's no, it doesn't fit.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I just want like a nice sea cup. So if
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I got them done again, I think I would do
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: what you're wanting to do is get them out a
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: lift and it's.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Much smaller implanted. Yeah, and seems like don't.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I love your babies and I love them too. I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: hate my boobs. That's what stopped me from going and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: getting them small. Look like I hate them.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, And when you don't have something quote unquote.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Wrong wrong, Yeah, you need to until you're ready to
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: do that, until you want to go down that journey.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I think we sold the story that you need them
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: replaced every ten years too. Yeah, which, what do you
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: think about that? I asked both those surgeons that you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: went to, and they said, no, it's not necessarily true.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: They can last up to twenty years if you've got
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: no issues. Yeah, beautiful. So I don't know. I've got
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: you to feel, which you can't feel it. Neither can
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: steve it. I feel like when I've bend over, I
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: can feel like a little bit of like almost riffling underneath.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's like scar scars.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, So I'd like him to just have a
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: feel and see what he thinks. But other than that,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I've had no issues. I'm sure when you get yours
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and I'll be like, oh god, they look so nice.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: So it'd be interesting to see when I actually do book.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: It'd probably be like the end of the year. I
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: would say, yeah, end of the year, maybe even like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: beginning of next year.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. True, it's because I come to a cover, give
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: myself time to heal my gut. Yeah, pay off the
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: surgery also, and.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It also just gives you time to think. Like I
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: talked about my other left, like I joked about, like, oh,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: when you get your son out, I want them, but
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you don't get surgery unless you're one hundred percent curtain.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Very true, Like I joke about saying that, but I
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: just want to retrack because unless you're one hundred percent
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: surgeon and get it certain on getting something like don't
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you don't do that? Yeah, you don't want to live
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: in any regret. Yeah, I knew there was nothing anyone
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: could have said to back me out of my upper left.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: There was nothing. I didn't care what anyone else said, Like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I knew that I wanted that for myself.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where it was like boobs.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh do I nah?
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: So I was like, no, I'm yeah, and you're right, Like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: when you have the time to think about it, you
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: can actually be certain on your decision. I've been watching
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: this for like five years, and it's something that I've
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: thought about time and time and time again. It's just
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: did I want to go to absolutely nothing? Not really,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I've always for the last five years I wanted to
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: go smaller. Yeah, at least half the size.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So good when you feel so certain for sure
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and just seeing how your gut goes, we'll give you
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the answers like at the moment, you're still not quite sure. Yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to go on that journey, which is so good. To
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: go on that journey regardless of your implants, like to
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: fix your gut for sure once and for all, you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: really do everything you can to heal it. Yeah, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: learn more about your body. Yeah, and go from there.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I honestly can't wait.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Oh. The one thing we did put in the title too,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: which is like the cost. I feel like everyone wants
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: no cost. Oh what have you been quoted from each surgeon?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So the first surgeon was twenty two grand and one surgery.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: That was for first surgery. The first surgery. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: so the first surgery that was for xplant. It was
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a lift and new so new implants.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But he said you might have to come back for
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a second one, so would probably another ten to fifteen
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: out of that.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Second surgeon was two separate surgeries.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Ye. First surgery was fifteen, second surgery was eighteen. So
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: it was thirty one all up.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the surgeon, Now those other ones weren't
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: including hospital fees by the way.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Oh trueth another five grand at the last.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: And then this last surgeon, including all of my hospital
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: fees and everything that there is to pay, is twenty six. Yeah.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: God, it's gone up a lot since I had my
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: boobs done. So and you would have when you were
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: younger too, hey.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Honestly before all of the surgery fees. Oh my gosh, Babe,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I paid seven grand for my seven grand.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: That's unheard of now in Australia. Wild and a lot
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of people grow overseas.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I got mine done in bonno junction. Actually no,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I got a fourth console, babe, rememor when I went
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I had to look for Thailand. Oh you did too,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: and they quoted me nineteen grand Yeah, that's right, said,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: including flights or anything.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: True.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: So this last surgeon, the one that I am going
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: to be going with, I think it was around seventeen K.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: And then on top of that wall of the surgery fease, yeah,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: creeps up higher.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: You get the first cuadit you're like, oh, and then
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: it's like hospital feet and it sees your feet.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I was like, seventeen K. That's fine, I can
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: do that, and it just like bumps off. Another tank
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: came like not really want to want to be paying
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: for surgery, yes, you know, but for my health necess
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: different story.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Capsulation, You've got it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: If they weren't capsulated, I would be like, oh, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: could probably push it out.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: A few more years.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: But it honestly, it does something to my brain, like
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: knowing that they capsulated. I just want to get the
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: scar tissue out and support my body in the way
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: that it can and then almost have like a refresh
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and like start again whilst I'm also healing my gut.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh, one thing I want to add too. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the second surgery and you went to he basically said
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I can cut some of the scar tissue out and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: then the rest will just be pushed back onto your
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: chest wall and will kind of like not dissolve away,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: but just kind of mesh back into your body.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like heel over or something.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, And then we bumped into an old girlfriend of
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: mine at the airport and she was like, oh my gosh, no,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: you need to get a full.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: On block on block.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where they remove the whole capsulation and get rid
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: of as much of the scar tissue as possible.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a huge difference.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called like on block like e n BLC
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I believe is how you spell it. And this surgeon
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: that I'm going to be going with, he does the
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: on block. There's only a couple in Australia that actually
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: do the full on block of them very rare and
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: like even all the other surgeons didn't even mention it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't mention a single thing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: But it's he said, you've got to do this because
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: what tends to happen is even if women get the
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: implants out but scar tissue stays, or the remaining scar
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: tissue is not all cut out, the women can still
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: continue on with their breast implant illness symptoms if they
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: don't cut it all out. But if they cut it
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: all out, they can start fresh. And he said it
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: actually reduces the percentage of you getting capsulation again because
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: you cut it all out and you clear it out,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: and then it can heal over.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Another thing my friend said, which I found super interesting.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I haven't known anyone for this to happen to, but
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: she said that the surgeon I've gone to and you're
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: going to go to, he's cut some out before, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: there's been mold sitting behind the implants, which mold sickness.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: If you've ever done any research into mold sickness, it's
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: so bad. Like the sym as you get from mold sickness.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: That's just wild that can happen. That grosses me out,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: that's wild to think about that. I freak out if
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: that came out of my body. But the moment he
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: takes implants out, the next day, these women just feel,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: oh my god, a hundred times better because he's removed
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the mold out of there.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Also, Oh, he's so funny.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Even having this conversation and just like coming back into
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: like taking implants out entirely. I sometimes do wonder what
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: it would be like to be smaller. And you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: even when I see women when they wear like a
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: singlet top and they have no bra and literally I
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: can see their nipples. I'm like, it looks so feminist,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: so beautiful, so feminine and so flowy. They usually have
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: their hair out and I'm like, oh god, I would
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: what I would love to like walk around like that,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: just natural and just feel free and to just be
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: all of myself Like I see that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, it's like so beautiful.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: We saw that in Megsie when she came to the tree.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: She's so feminine, so beautiful.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh soft.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, with my implants because of the size there,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I feel hard and I feel top heavy, and it
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: almost makes me feel bigger than I am.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me feel like I feel wide up
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the top.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: It's such an interesting conversation as we go back and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: forth with.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: What absolutely, yeah, definitely to have one more conversation with
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: that surgeon to just confirm which surgery should be the
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: best option, and then we'll book her in. Yes, I'll
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: give you guys an updately and how we go.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think I've answered all the questions and that
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you can normally come through. I hope you guys enjoyed
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: that a little update. Oh that's a question I got
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: asked too. Will I be sharing before and after photos?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe I haven't been, Like, oh my god, that's something.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk about the whole process on
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: social media as I was going through either book, because
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to be known as that. It's so hard.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Like we said this before in a previous episode, you're
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: damn if you do an your damn if you don't.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: If I didn't talk about it, and then people notice
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I've had something done, people call me alive not being transparent.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Then when you do talk about it, like oh, she's
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: so fake and she's promoting plastic surgery and she's a
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: bad role model for the younger generation. So it just
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: feels like torn. And that's why I didn't share it
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: as I was going through it, because I'm like, I
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: don't want to be known for that and for that
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to be like on my page all the time. They
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: feel like kind of the same about four and afters.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So maybe I might show them my stories, but it's
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: not like a permanent post that I want on my page.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, go see how she's surgery. People come
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to you for surgery and then no, it's not what
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I want to be known for. But I also have
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: no shame in talking about it, Like I'm not embarrassed
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: as a decision that I wanted to do. It's just that, Yeah,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I'm still navigating how to talk about Like some things
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: are just not worth talking about. Other things. It's like, oh,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: we can see if I had something done.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I remember, I've never spoken about plastic surgery until I
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: did this one story after we'd spoken about on the podcast,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: and I did it on my Instagram stories and I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: literally had somebody who was previously in my life, like
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: an older woman who was in my life, who made
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: a comment about me being like, no, no, no, don't share that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Don't share that. You're going to cop a lot, like
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of shit from that, and like how you
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: could feel her judgment and being like why would you
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: want to share that?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: People don't need to know that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Just so interesting. Everybody has a strong opinion on it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, it's interesting. But we hope that gives you
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: guys a lot of details. And we are open books
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: and we have the conversations that no one else is
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: prepared to have yeah, but yeah, there's a line of
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: like it's always in the back of my head of
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: like what's going to come back from this? You know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: what are we going to say or how are they
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: going to twist it? Or what are they going to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: make out you to be? But that's also our journey
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: to just like let it go, yeah, let it go, yeah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: and just talk about the things we want to talk about.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: If it lands lands, if it doesn't, that's okay too.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: The whole let them theory, let them say what they.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Want to, let them and then let me, let us,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: let us do what we want.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, guys. Make sure you stay tuned
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: for Tomorrow's a bestie one. It's a big one.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Bye bye.