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I Play Coach Frank, the Athletic Background and Career of Dr Frank Marghella · Sporting Good Posture

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Speaker 1: Practices all of a sudden my back starts killing every
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Speaker 1: day it's hurting my mom ends up taking me to
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Speaker 1: a chiropractor really what turned me on to how much
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Speaker 1: chiropractic can help i'm talking like immediate it was like
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Speaker 1: a switch turn off everything just started feeling better i
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Speaker 1: start going every week throughout senior year every friday i
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Speaker 1: would go and get adjusted and we were winning it
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Speaker 1: was kind of like a superstition if i don't get
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Speaker 1: adjusted i may not win this game first in our
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Speaker 1: division end up going to the playoffs winning the county
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Speaker 1: championship no wonder why my back was hurting at that
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Speaker 1: point that was an accumulation of 14 years of doing
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Speaker 1: everything i could to be an athlete your body reaches
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Speaker 1: a breaking point and that was mine honestly if i
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Speaker 1: hadn't gone to the chiropractor i would have had surgery
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Speaker 1: i'm 45 now 17 when this starts happening 100 had
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Speaker 1: back surgery if i didn't do this and kept doing
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Speaker 1: this all this year it was one of the best
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Speaker 1: things i did i always talk to parents about it's
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Speaker 1: so important to play multiple sports because the skills translate
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Speaker 1: to other sports my youngest now plays flag football had
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Speaker 1: four or five touchdowns goes dad what was your best
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Speaker 1: season so i was telling her she goes i'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be And I go, if you beat that, I'll give
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Speaker 1: you $ 100. Sure enough, she scores her 19th touchdown. She
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Speaker 1: points over at me and goes, Venmo me that $ 100
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Speaker 1: right now. My kids play sports now, and it's really
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Speaker 1: gone full circle. I can help them now. I told
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Speaker 1: both of them. I was like, hey, you have the
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Speaker 1: ultimate advantage over everybody else because you guys have me
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Speaker 1: to keep you healthy, to keep you in alignment so
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Speaker 1: that you can be at your maximum abilities to play
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Speaker 1: your sports.
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Speaker 2: Game on, sports, fitness, and health fans, with another episode
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Speaker 2: of the Sporting Good Posture digital radio experience. Gear up
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Speaker 2: for Coach Frank's advice from the sidelines as he helps
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Speaker 2: you crush your game. No matter what sports, health, or
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Speaker 2: fitness game you play.
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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Coach Frank. I'm Sporting Good Poster. What
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Speaker 1: are you sporting?
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Speaker 2: Hey, Coach, what do you got for us today?
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Sporting Good Poster. This
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Speaker 1: is Coach Frank here. And today we're doing an interview,
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Speaker 1: and I'm actually the guest. And Frank Sardella, my producer...
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Speaker 1: It's going to be doing the interview.
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Speaker 3: That's right. And I have to take credit for this episode, Doc.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It was your idea, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: realize that we never did this before.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Coach. But it's all your fault.
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Speaker 1: It usually is.
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Speaker 3: We're going to get into this in the interview today.
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Speaker 3: But this all spawned off of your forwarding me the
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Speaker 3: trailer that you're absolutely excited about. We're going to get
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Speaker 3: into all the things you love from... Seinfeld to Back
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Speaker 3: to the Future, to all those things that we talk
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Speaker 3: about here on the show that we reference and all
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Speaker 3: our shenanigans off the air. But you forwarded me a
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Speaker 3: trailer for the new Rocky movie that's coming out this year.
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Speaker 3: You are one of the, no, probably the most diehard
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Speaker 3: Rocky fan I've ever met. And that trailer actually inspired me.
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Speaker 3: And I said, you know what? They're telling Rocky's story
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Speaker 3: of his purpose. to make this movie and to make
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Speaker 3: this impression on people. And I'm like, your story is
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Speaker 3: really similar. So I was like, we've never done an
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Speaker 3: episode where people got to know you as an athlete,
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Speaker 3: you as someone who wanted to help other athletes and
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Speaker 3: pretty much the general population, anybody who's ever wanted to
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Speaker 3: be in the least bit fit all the way up
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Speaker 3: to the professional athlete. And I thought, what a good idea.
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Speaker 3: We never interviewed you. You thought it was a good
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Speaker 3: idea too.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah. And Rocky, I think is going to be
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Speaker 1: a great, you know, how he made the first Rocky
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Speaker 1: film and his whole life leading up to that. I
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Speaker 1: think that's going to be awesome.
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Speaker 3: And you and I at this taping in 2026, we've
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Speaker 3: been working together since 2012. So what is that? 14
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Speaker 3: years we've been working together now. And that's not the
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Speaker 3: entirety of your career. When did you start in chiropractic?
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Speaker 1: So I finished school in October 2006. So this is
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Speaker 1: actually my 20 year reunions coming up in a couple
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Speaker 1: months here. Wow, 20 years.
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Speaker 3: So I've been with you for the majority of those
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Speaker 3: 20 years, technically, which is awesome. And we've come a
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Speaker 3: long way, haven't we, since 2012?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, where I started at and then where
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Speaker 1: I'm at now and just all the different things that
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Speaker 1: we've added to the office and starting the podcast, doing
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Speaker 1: so many... community events and lunch and learns and being
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Speaker 1: a bigger part of the community, I think has been awesome.
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Speaker 1: And just your help with promoting the office and trying
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Speaker 1: to get it to be where I want it to
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Speaker 1: be has been a journey, but also it's exciting at
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Speaker 1: the same time.
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Speaker 3: And part of why we're doing this today is we
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Speaker 3: had started the idea of having an on-air radio show
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Speaker 3: for you, uh, way back when, and we're now well
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Speaker 3: over a hundred episodes, but before there were a hundred episodes,
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Speaker 3: there were four episodes. And these four episodes were very significant,
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Speaker 3: and I think that is a great place to start
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Speaker 3: on why we're doing this today, to let people know
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Speaker 3: who you really are. Because I perceive that when we
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Speaker 3: first started broadcasting, you weren't being who you really are.
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Speaker 3: We started a show called Take Control of Your Health.
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Speaker 3: We got four episodes in, and Coach, what did I
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Speaker 3: tell you? I wasn't calling you Coach at the time.
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Speaker 3: What did I tell you four episodes in?
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Speaker 1: You just said basically, this isn't fitting. This doesn't fit
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Speaker 1: with the message you want to send and everything.
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Speaker 3: I think my exact words were, I'm not buying it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about health and you're talking about, you know,
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Speaker 3: all the things you should be talking about as a physician.
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Speaker 3: The reason I wasn't buying it because I backed up
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Speaker 3: and I looked at you and I said, this isn't
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Speaker 3: who you are. Yes, you're a physician. Yes, you're an
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Speaker 3: excellent chiropractor. I've been treated by you. You're really good
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Speaker 3: at what you do. I've seen your results, but... The
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Speaker 3: passion that really burns inside you comes from athletics, having
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Speaker 3: been an athlete yourself. And so now here you are
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Speaker 3: to say you're correcting posture is kind of belittling to
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Speaker 3: what you do because you're actually restoring structure and function
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Speaker 3: that's naturally designed at the body. And we'll get into
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Speaker 3: that in the interview as well. But you started out
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Speaker 3: as an athlete and that's where the title came up,
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Speaker 3: Sporting Good Posture. which I'm a big fan of puns
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Speaker 3: and plays on words and stuff like that. So I
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Speaker 3: thought it was perfect. And it really frames who you are.
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Speaker 3: And we've got a lot of listeners now with Sporting
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Speaker 3: Good Posture. We're 100 episodes in. You even have a
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Speaker 3: fan base. And after all of that, I just realized
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Speaker 3: we didn't really fully detail why Sporting Good Posture is
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Speaker 3: so apropos, so fitting. And so I want to get
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Speaker 3: into a little bit of that. And I think we
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Speaker 3: have to delve into your history of who you are. Yes,
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Speaker 3: you played high school football. You even mentioned to me lacrosse,
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Speaker 3: which was a surprise to me. We've been friends 14
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Speaker 3: years now, and I don't think I knew that about you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually a good story, too. I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: that in a minute.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, every hero has an origin story, and I
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Speaker 3: want to start with the origin story. What about growing
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Speaker 3: up as a kid and whatever? I mean, even before
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Speaker 3: you got into high school athletics and started playing team sports,
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Speaker 3: I think you started a lot younger than that, at
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Speaker 3: least your interest in sports.
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Speaker 1: So originally I'm from Long Island, New York. And ever
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Speaker 1: since I could basically walk, I always had some kind
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Speaker 1: of ball or bat in my hand or something going
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Speaker 1: on with sports. I remember I would be like, you know,
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Speaker 1: three or four years old in the basement and my
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Speaker 1: dad would be throwing me wiffle balls and I'd be
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Speaker 1: hitting them. And I remember him like covered himself up
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Speaker 1: because I was whacking him back at him and hitting
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Speaker 1: him pretty hard. Baseball is my first love. I still
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Speaker 1: love baseball. A couple of years later, I started playing
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Speaker 1: flag football and then eventually moved into tackle football. I
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Speaker 1: also was playing basketball. So really from the time I
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Speaker 1: was like, you know, five years old, I just rotated
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Speaker 1: from basketball to baseball to football, back to basketball, baseball, football.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the entire year, I can't even think now
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Speaker 1: with my kids playing sports, they only play typically volleyball,
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Speaker 1: but I played three all year round. It was like nonstop.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure my parents were kind of tired of taking
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Speaker 1: me to practice, but they never complained. I just love
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Speaker 1: being around athletes and just playing sports. I was competitive
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Speaker 1: and I still am. Anything that I do, I want
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Speaker 1: to win. And whether it's playing cards, whether it's playing checkers,
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Speaker 1: whether it's playing video games, I mean, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: I had to win. I remember just torturing my sister
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Speaker 1: over the years about beating her in Mario Kart and
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Speaker 1: Mortal Kombat and even my friends and stuff. It was
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Speaker 1: just always competition. That was my life. That really just
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Speaker 1: shaped me. That planned my life around playing sports. I
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Speaker 1: even started playing hockey. I wanted to play ice hockey.
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Speaker 1: I played roll hockey a lot with my friends. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to try out for the school team. I remember
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Speaker 1: My mom, it was middle school, and she goes, you know, Frank,
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Speaker 1: I've never said no to you before with sports. She goes,
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to have to say no to this
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Speaker 1: because practice was at like 530 in the morning. And
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Speaker 1: she's like, I just can't do it.
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Speaker 3: She's like, I just.
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Speaker 1: And on top of that, the equipment for hockey was
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Speaker 1: so expensive. And she was just like, you know, I just...
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Speaker 1: You can play roller hockey, whatever. She's like, I just
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Speaker 1: can't have you do ice hockey and have to take
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Speaker 1: you at 5.30 in the morning for practice.
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Speaker 3: Something you wouldn't fully understand until well into adulthood, i.e. now,
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Speaker 3: with your children. involved in sports and one of your
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Speaker 3: daughters on travel teams and stuff like that and you
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Speaker 3: having to do things that are the equivalent.
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Speaker 1: I understand now. I definitely understand that part now. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: for sure. You know, like 12 years old or whatever
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Speaker 1: it was, I didn't understand it then, but I definitely
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Speaker 1: do now.
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Speaker 3: For sure. And we'll get into that. into your legacy
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Speaker 3: because you're very much already passing that on to the
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Speaker 3: next generation, which I think is outstanding. And competitive you
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Speaker 3: are and always needing to win, absolutely, from what I've
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Speaker 3: observed about you. And that even goes into.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even like fantasy sports now, like fantasy football,
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Speaker 1: fantasy baseball. Basically, the people in the league have told me,
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Speaker 1: they either want to win the league or make sure
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Speaker 1: I don't win the league. That's their only goal is
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Speaker 1: to make sure I don't win. Because the smack talk
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Speaker 1: never stops. And I typically have a good team every year.
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Speaker 1: So I've won a bunch of championships or I'm in
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Speaker 1: the playoffs relatively to the end almost every year. And
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Speaker 1: we've talked years about that, and we've had teams together,
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Speaker 1: and we've won championships.
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Speaker 3: That's right. And that's what I mean. So first of all,
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Speaker 3: I constantly ask you the question, who in their right
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Speaker 3: mind would play against you, would get into a league
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Speaker 3: with you, knowing all of this? I would never play
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Speaker 3: against you. And second of all, I've used that to
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Speaker 3: my advantage in my own fantasy leagues, because every time
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Speaker 3: I took your advice, I won the Super Bowl. So,
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Speaker 3: but I mean, you carried this into, and we're going
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Speaker 3: to get into this in a little bit. You've carried
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Speaker 3: that obsession with winning all the way into your own fitness, wellness,
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Speaker 3: and bouncing back from injury even. And it even carries
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Speaker 3: forward nowadays into your practice with what you do. And
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Speaker 3: that's kind of where we're leading up to. But all
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Speaker 3: of this led you back in Massapequa, Long Island, Jerry
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Speaker 3: Seinfeld town.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Um, albeit he's a few years older than you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. 20, 30.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. He, he predates you. I just checked it. It's
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Speaker 3: probably almost 30 years. He predates you by maybe 25,
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Speaker 3: but out there in Massapequa, the thing that stands out
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Speaker 3: the most with me and what made me want to
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Speaker 3: create sporting good posture for you, uh, was the story
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Speaker 3: of you playing football. And I know you played a
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Speaker 3: lot of sports and you had a lot of interest,
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Speaker 3: but football seems to be where all the shenanigans started here.
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Speaker 3: Not just athletically and interest-wise, but the barriers that you
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Speaker 3: faced as a result of having played football and injuries
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So why don't we get into
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Speaker 3: how you kind of got into football and then your
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Speaker 3: experience with playing football, good and bad. And let's lead
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Speaker 3: into where injuries started coming into play unexpectedly.
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Speaker 1: As I got older, you know, I originally, my first
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Speaker 1: love was baseball. And then I started playing football and
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, like I liked hitting people. Like it really,
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed, I played running back for many years, all
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Speaker 1: through high school and then started playing wide receiver and everything.
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Speaker 1: But I really loved just like running into people, running
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Speaker 1: over people. Like I just really, I liked the collisions.
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Speaker 1: Like I really did.
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Speaker 3: Hence your desire to play hockey.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then, yeah, and lacrosse too, because you could
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Speaker 1: check people and deplete people.
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Speaker 3: That explains it. That explains it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I played in middle school. And then I
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Speaker 1: remember going into high school, ninth grade, a freshman team.
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Speaker 1: And then I had played for my town team for
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Speaker 1: my entire life. So I wanted to do my last
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Speaker 1: year with that. And actually, the coach that I had
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Speaker 1: was a former college football coach and had won some
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Speaker 1: championships years ago. He had a great offensive scheme. He
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Speaker 1: was really a good coach. So I looked at the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to work with him for an extra year before
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Speaker 1: I went into high school, like, cause our high school
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Speaker 1: was 10, 11, 12. And it was really one of
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Speaker 1: my best seasons ever. I was in ninth grade and
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Speaker 1: I ended up scoring 18 touchdowns that year. Wow. Throughout
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Speaker 1: the season. I even, I missed the last game because
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Speaker 1: of an injury. It's funny because I was telling you my,
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Speaker 1: my youngest now plays flag football this year. So she
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Speaker 1: started last year and then had like four or five touchdowns.
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Speaker 1: And she comes to me this year and she goes,
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Speaker 1: you know, dad, I want to score a lot of
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Speaker 1: touchdowns this year, but what was your best season? So
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Speaker 1: I was telling her about my best season. She goes, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to beat that. And I go, if you
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Speaker 1: beat that, I'll give you a hundred bucks. Well, sure enough,
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Speaker 1: about a month ago, she scores her 19th touchdown and
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Speaker 1: I'm filming it. And she points over at me and
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Speaker 1: she goes, Venmo me that a hundred dollars right now.
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Speaker 3: Leave it to kids to do that.
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Speaker 1: It's fun now to watch her doing that. She ended up,
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Speaker 1: I think, with 24 touchdowns on the year. It's cool
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Speaker 1: to see her doing that. But it reminded me like
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Speaker 1: when I played and I really enjoyed it. So going
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Speaker 1: into high school, I had the choice about playing baseball
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Speaker 1: and playing football. I had always played baseball. And in
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Speaker 1: Long Island, people get recruited more for lacrosse than really
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Speaker 1: any other sport. So the coaches approached me because the
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Speaker 1: high school coaches coached the lacrosse team and the football team.
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Speaker 1: And they said, hey, you know, You're a really good
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Speaker 1: football player. We think you'd be a really good lacrosse
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Speaker 1: player and you probably have a better chance at a scholarship.
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Speaker 1: So I go to my friends. I was like, I
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Speaker 1: think I'm going to play lacrosse now. I go get
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Speaker 1: a stick and everything and I get a ball and
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Speaker 1: I go hang out with a couple of my friends
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Speaker 1: that play lacrosse. And I was like, how do you
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Speaker 1: play lacrosse? So they showed me some stuff, how to
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Speaker 1: scoop the ball up, catch and pass and run with
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Speaker 1: it and everything and shoot. I practice for about a
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Speaker 1: month and I make the JV team. I end up
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Speaker 1: scoring like, I don't know, 10 or 12 goals.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Brought up to varsity as a freshman that first year.
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Speaker 1: But this goes back to where I'm telling people about
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Speaker 1: how it's so important to play multiple sports. Because I
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Speaker 1: had played hockey for so long, I had played basketball. Basically,
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Speaker 1: lacrosse is just like that except on foot. So I
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Speaker 1: was able to pick that up and I had good
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Speaker 1: hand-eye coordination from playing baseball. So for me to play lacrosse,
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Speaker 1: There was still a lot of things I needed to
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Speaker 1: work on, but I could pick it up pretty easily.
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Speaker 1: I was fast and I was able to catch on quick. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: some of these guys had played like 10 years. And
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Speaker 1: then 10th grade, they put me on the varsity team
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Speaker 1: for lacrosse. But I always talk to parents now about
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Speaker 1: not specializing in sports. It's so important to just play
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Speaker 1: multiple sports because the skills translate to other sports. And
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Speaker 1: I was able to pick up lacrosse. quickly like that
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Speaker 1: because I had played baseball, basketball, and hockey. It just
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Speaker 1: translated to basically the same kind of game. And then
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Speaker 1: 10th grade, I was on the JV football team. I
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Speaker 1: was running back. I had a good season. Go up
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Speaker 1: to varsity as a junior. And basically in our school,
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Speaker 1: you had to be a junior or above. There was
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Speaker 1: very few underclassmen for football that actually would ever get
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Speaker 1: up to varsity before junior year. So when I played
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Speaker 1: junior year, I was a kick returner and a punt returner.
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Speaker 1: So it was hard to even get any playing time
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Speaker 1: as a junior because we had a good team. And typically,
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Speaker 1: mostly the seniors played and just a handful of juniors
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Speaker 1: would play. So I was able to get on some
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Speaker 1: of the special teams. And that was really about all
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Speaker 1: I played. But that year, my dad passed away unexpectedly
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Speaker 1: in October. So it was right in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the season. And I remember I didn't want to miss
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Speaker 1: the game because I didn't want to lose my spot.
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Speaker 1: I didn't want somebody else to play kick returner and
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Speaker 1: punt returner, and then I'd come back and I'd lose
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Speaker 1: my spot. I begged the coach to play in the game,
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Speaker 1: and they actually said, listen, we're going to save your
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Speaker 1: spot for the next game, but I think this week
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Speaker 1: has just been too much that it's better that you
17:13
Speaker 1: just sit out this game. So I was glad they
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Speaker 1: realized how much I cared about doing that, even the
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Speaker 1: week when my dad passed away. I just thought I
17:24
Speaker 1: didn't want anything to stop me. I didn't want anything
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Speaker 1: to get in the way of what I was doing.
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Speaker 1: Because at that point, I did want to play in college.
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Speaker 1: It was junior year and I was heading into senior year.
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Speaker 1: My goal was to play in college at that point.
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Speaker 1: So I didn't want to miss any games. But I
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Speaker 1: was glad they actually talked me out of it later
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Speaker 1: on because it would have been a lot of pressure.
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Speaker 1: Because I would have been thinking about that the whole time.
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Speaker 1: Who knows? And if I had a bad game, the
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Speaker 1: last thing I would have wanted is to have a
17:50
Speaker 1: bad game and then also screw it up for my team.
17:52
Speaker 3: Of course.
17:54
Speaker 1: I go into senior year and I ended up just saying,
17:58
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just going to focus on football
18:00
Speaker 1: because if I want to get a scholarship, that's where
18:02
Speaker 1: I wanted to try to get was senior year for football. Right.
18:06
Speaker 1: So now I'm starting. I'm starting wide receiver, starting safety,
18:09
Speaker 1: starting kick returner, I'm starting punt returner, and then I
18:12
Speaker 1: get voted captain of the team. So I was very
18:15
Speaker 1: honored to get voted as a captain. Right. And I think, too,
18:20
Speaker 1: like just that experience– Being the captain, you know, also
18:25
Speaker 1: like I was a good student in school. You know,
18:27
Speaker 1: after my dad passed away, I was like, you know what?
18:30
Speaker 1: I'm not going to let this get in the way
18:31
Speaker 1: of me being successful. I was like, he would never
18:35
Speaker 1: want me to use anything as an excuse not to
18:37
Speaker 1: be successful. I had straight A's all through high school.
18:42
Speaker 1: But definitely that same quarter he died, I had straight A's.
18:45
Speaker 1: I had straight A's all through junior year, straight A's
18:47
Speaker 1: all through senior year. I was not only like an athlete,
18:52
Speaker 1: but I was a student athlete. I was smart. I
18:53
Speaker 1: was an honor student. I did community service. I had
18:57
Speaker 1: a job. I had worked since the time I was
18:59
Speaker 1: 12 years old. I had jobs. I had worked all
19:02
Speaker 1: through middle school and high school. I was a camp
19:05
Speaker 1: counselor for a while. I mowed lawns. I was a busboy,
19:10
Speaker 1: a waiter. So I worked all through high school. I
19:14
Speaker 1: would work till two or three o'clock in the morning. Actually,
19:17
Speaker 1: my coach owned the restaurant and I enjoyed working at
19:20
Speaker 1: a restaurant. I also thought it was good to be
19:23
Speaker 1: able to talk to people because when you're at a restaurant,
19:26
Speaker 1: you have to talk to strangers. You just have to
19:28
Speaker 1: be personable. You have to be able to give good service.
19:32
Speaker 1: And I thought it was a good opportunity to do that.
19:36
Speaker 1: And then as I'm playing, I really wanted to get better.
19:39
Speaker 1: So I was working out a ton in the off season.
19:42
Speaker 1: Friends were big into going to the gym. Nobody really
19:45
Speaker 1: had private trainers and we did our own workout. Almost
19:48
Speaker 1: every day of the week, I was at the gym
19:50
Speaker 1: with them or we were running up hills or doing
19:52
Speaker 1: some kind of exercise. We all wanted to not only
19:55
Speaker 1: get better, but we wanted to win that year. We
19:58
Speaker 1: had a good team. We wanted to win.
20:00
Speaker 3: And you had a winning team. And what a pinnacle
20:03
Speaker 3: that you've come to from all of that. to say, okay,
20:07
Speaker 3: all this forward drive, all this forward motion, incredible forward
20:11
Speaker 3: drive and forward motion, and then all comes to a
20:13
Speaker 3: halt when injury came into the picture. Why don't you
20:18
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about the injuries?
20:22
Speaker 1: Now, senior year, and I'm starting to have back problems.
20:26
Speaker 1: So we're at summer practices, and all of a sudden,
20:28
Speaker 1: my back starts killing me. And every day, it's hurting me.
20:33
Speaker 1: My knees are hurting me. My shins are hurting me.
20:36
Speaker 1: I pulled like my thigh muscle a couple of times.
20:38
Speaker 1: Like I just had these annoying things going on, but
20:41
Speaker 1: really my back overall, everything was the worst. So my
20:45
Speaker 1: mom ends up taking me to a chiropractor and that's
20:49
Speaker 1: really what turned me on to how much chiropractic can help.
20:53
Speaker 1: And I'm talking like immediate. So like I go in
20:56
Speaker 1: there and get adjusted the first time and it was
20:58
Speaker 1: like a switch turned on. Like everything just started feeling better.
21:02
Speaker 1: And I start going every week throughout the whole senior year.
21:07
Speaker 1: Every week. We had our games on Saturday. Down here,
21:10
Speaker 1: they do in the South, they do them on Friday, typically.
21:12
Speaker 1: So up North, we didn't have lights on the field.
21:15
Speaker 1: So we couldn't do Friday night lights. So, and actually,
21:18
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that until years later. I'm like,
21:20
Speaker 1: why didn't we never do Friday night nights? I'm like, well,
21:22
Speaker 1: we didn't have any lights. So we would play our
21:27
Speaker 1: high school games on Saturday. So I never watched a
21:30
Speaker 1: ton of college football growing up because I was playing.
21:33
Speaker 1: During Saturday games, I was on the field. I didn't
21:36
Speaker 1: get to watch a lot of games. So I'm going
21:38
Speaker 1: every week on Fridays to the chiropractor. And I become
21:41
Speaker 1: good friends with him. His name is Michael Halloran. He
21:44
Speaker 1: was really the inspiration for me becoming a chiropractor. He
21:48
Speaker 1: even used to work with the New York Jets. And
21:50
Speaker 1: he's still practicing today. Still in Massapequa. He's got a
21:53
Speaker 1: great practice. And I go back and visit him every
21:56
Speaker 1: once in a while. But it really inspired me to go.
21:59
Speaker 1: So every Friday, I would go and get adjusted. And
22:02
Speaker 1: we were winning. So every week, now it was kind
22:04
Speaker 1: of like a superstition. I'm like, if I don't get adjusted,
22:06
Speaker 1: I may not win this game. So I was like,
22:08
Speaker 1: I'm going to do everything I can to make sure
22:09
Speaker 1: we win. So we win each week, or almost every
22:13
Speaker 1: week we won. And then we ended up being first
22:16
Speaker 1: in our division there. We ended up going to the playoffs.
22:19
Speaker 1: We ended up winning the county championships against a really
22:23
Speaker 1: good team in Long Island from Freeport. And there was
22:27
Speaker 1: a kid on there that went D1. This kid was
22:30
Speaker 1: a monster. He played running back and he played linebacker.
22:33
Speaker 1: This guy ended up playing in the NFL. And they
22:36
Speaker 1: had a couple other guys that ended up playing in
22:38
Speaker 1: the NFL. But we grinded it out and had a
22:41
Speaker 1: great win against them. Went to the Long Island Championship.
22:44
Speaker 1: We lost, unfortunately, in the Long Island Championship. To earn
22:47
Speaker 1: that game against Freeport is when I got hurt. So
22:51
Speaker 1: I was on kick return. Towards the end of the season,
22:53
Speaker 1: they were kicking away from me. I used to catch
22:55
Speaker 1: a lot of the kicks. There was usually two of
22:58
Speaker 1: us back there. So they started kicking away from me.
23:01
Speaker 1: So I ended up having a block. When they kicked
23:03
Speaker 1: away from me, I go up to block and this
23:05
Speaker 1: kid just dives forward at my knee from like five
23:09
Speaker 1: yards out, just dives at me. And I had never
23:12
Speaker 1: had that happen before because you're not even supposed to
23:14
Speaker 1: be able to do that. So he catches my knee
23:18
Speaker 1: and my knee gets, my foot's like flat on the
23:21
Speaker 1: ground and I hyperextended my knee because he hit my
23:23
Speaker 1: knee and went backwards. And then I couldn't play basically
23:27
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. So the second half of
23:29
Speaker 1: the game, I had to sit out And that was
23:31
Speaker 1: the first time I had an injury all year, really,
23:33
Speaker 1: after the summer practices. And then going into the championship game,
23:39
Speaker 1: I had about 10 days or something. So I went
23:42
Speaker 1: to rehab at PT and I did all this stuff
23:45
Speaker 1: to try to play. And I was kind of able
23:47
Speaker 1: to play, but I didn't want to be a burden
23:51
Speaker 1: on my team. I'm like, I don't think I can
23:53
Speaker 1: be 100% today and I don't want to screw this
23:55
Speaker 1: up for them. And I also thought about, should I get,
23:58
Speaker 1: you know, like a pain shot? And I remember thinking there,
24:02
Speaker 1: should I go and just say, you know what, give
24:04
Speaker 1: me a shot in my knee and then I'll deal
24:07
Speaker 1: with it and I won't feel the pain. I'll be
24:09
Speaker 1: able to play. But then I'm like, man, if I
24:11
Speaker 1: do that and something bad happens because I'm playing injured
24:15
Speaker 1: like that and I can't feel the pain and then
24:17
Speaker 1: I tear something, I'm like, I'm going to really be screwed.
24:19
Speaker 1: So I ended up not doing that because I just
24:22
Speaker 1: didn't want to jeopardize like the rest of my possible
24:25
Speaker 1: playing career, but also just my life. I didn't want
24:28
Speaker 1: to have a bad knee injury because I played you
24:30
Speaker 1: know getting shots in there so I didn't do it
24:33
Speaker 1: and I ended up sitting out and I hated the
24:35
Speaker 1: whole time sitting there and I watched my team slowly
24:38
Speaker 1: lose the game we lost by a field goal and
24:41
Speaker 1: the end of the season like packing all our stuff
24:44
Speaker 1: up and at that point I was like I don't
24:46
Speaker 1: know if I want to play college anymore because I
24:49
Speaker 1: had had this knee injury and like just some other
24:51
Speaker 1: nicks and stuff going on like just from getting banged
24:54
Speaker 1: up from you know I was in on a lot
24:56
Speaker 1: of plays. I was catching the ball a lot as
24:58
Speaker 1: a receiver. I was, I had been running back. I
25:00
Speaker 1: also was catching punt returns and kick returns. Like, so
25:03
Speaker 1: I was getting hit a lot too. Yeah. And I
25:05
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I got recruited a few different schools.
25:08
Speaker 1: It was, I knew at that point too, I wasn't
25:11
Speaker 1: going to be a pro because you get the realization
25:14
Speaker 1: that you're good. You're just, you're not good enough. You're
25:16
Speaker 1: never going to be big enough. You're never going to
25:18
Speaker 1: be fast enough compared to some of these other guys.
25:20
Speaker 1: So I knew at that point I wouldn't be pro,
25:22
Speaker 1: but I did know that I could play in college.
25:24
Speaker 1: And then I was like, do I want to do that?
25:27
Speaker 1: Because at that point, I was only getting recruited at
25:29
Speaker 1: D2 and D3 schools. And I was like, is it
25:33
Speaker 1: really worth jeopardizing my health? So I was like, you
25:36
Speaker 1: know what, I'm not going to do it. I ended
25:38
Speaker 1: up all through the spring, I rehabbed that knee injury.
25:40
Speaker 1: And by the time I finished that, I was like,
25:42
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think I want to do this.
25:43
Speaker 1: I just want to be done with playing football. And
25:45
Speaker 1: I'd rather just work out play flag football leagues, play
25:49
Speaker 1: in softball leagues, like just have fun doing it and
25:52
Speaker 1: not jeopardize my health. So, and at that point too,
25:56
Speaker 1: I was thinking about being a chiropractor and I was like, man,
25:59
Speaker 1: if I mangle myself up with injuries, how good am
26:02
Speaker 1: I going to be for my future patients? And also
26:05
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to play with my kids years
26:06
Speaker 1: from now. I want to have kids and I want
26:08
Speaker 1: to be able to play sports with them. I don't
26:10
Speaker 1: want to be that old dad that, oh, dad's hurt again. Oh,
26:14
Speaker 1: dad can't do this. Dad can't do that. I don't
26:16
Speaker 1: want to be that guy. So I was like, you
26:18
Speaker 1: know what? It's better I don't play because I would
26:20
Speaker 1: have been guaranteed I would have got hurt at some
26:22
Speaker 1: point in college. So Gettysburg, Stonehill, and Assumption were the
26:30
Speaker 1: three schools that I had looked at. Gettysburg also gave
26:33
Speaker 1: me a bunch of money for academics. So I was like, well,
26:35
Speaker 1: I'll go there at least because I'm getting a ton
26:38
Speaker 1: of money for academics. And they really weren't giving me
26:40
Speaker 1: much for football. So I ended up just deciding to
26:43
Speaker 1: call them and say, hey, I'm not going to play
26:44
Speaker 1: football because But it was a great decision because it
26:47
Speaker 1: really then focused me on working myself towards being a
26:50
Speaker 1: chiropractor and not having nagging injuries. And I could still
26:54
Speaker 1: work out, still play in intramural leagues, have fun with
26:57
Speaker 1: my friends. I think it was the right decision. It
27:00
Speaker 1: sucked at the time to give up something I loved.
27:02
Speaker 1: And it sucked that I knew I could still play.
27:05
Speaker 1: But I knew that I was also too competitive to
27:08
Speaker 1: not give my all every time. So I knew I
27:11
Speaker 1: had to stop because I was going to get hurt.
27:15
Speaker 1: because I would play through injuries and I'd play with pain.
27:18
Speaker 1: And I was like, this isn't worth it now. It's not,
27:20
Speaker 1: it's not going to lead me to anything good anymore.
27:22
Speaker 1: It's only going to lead me to a great story,
27:24
Speaker 1: but also tons of injuries in adulthood.
27:27
Speaker 3: It's a pretty remarkable story. What led you up to this?
27:32
Speaker 3: And I think that's also why I wanted to do this.
27:35
Speaker 3: Although not for us, there's a little bit of a
27:38
Speaker 3: disconnect between ideal health and wellness and which is the
27:41
Speaker 3: name of your practice, and Sporting Good Posture, the name
27:44
Speaker 3: of the podcast, which is really the purpose driving Ideal
27:48
Speaker 3: Health and Wellness. And I wanted to do this because
27:52
Speaker 3: I wanted to convey what Ideal Health and Wellness has
27:55
Speaker 3: to do with actually sporting good posture in especially an
28:00
Speaker 3: athletic or at least a fitness sense. A lot of
28:03
Speaker 3: people are into fitness, whether they're weekend warriors or they're
28:06
Speaker 3: deadlifting or whatever they're doing or CrossFit or just working
28:10
Speaker 3: out three times a week. And these are the types
28:12
Speaker 3: of people you had the purpose of helping kind of add,
28:16
Speaker 3: you know, an extension of the purpose that you came through.
28:20
Speaker 3: And that's kind of the point I wanted to make.
28:21
Speaker 3: I also want to make a comment on, you said,
28:25
Speaker 3: you know, when your back started to hurt that summer
28:28
Speaker 3: during camp and your mom took you to a chiropractor,
28:31
Speaker 3: which could be probably a whole podcast episode about, in
28:35
Speaker 3: and of itself, and we'll get into that maybe in
28:38
Speaker 3: another episode of like what, where the hell that came
28:41
Speaker 3: from that your mom just arbitrarily took you to a chiropractor.
28:44
Speaker 3: But when you said your immediate thing was I got
28:47
Speaker 3: adjusted and I felt much better and I played better
28:50
Speaker 3: and then it became a superstition, but you kept talking
28:53
Speaker 3: about getting adjusted, getting adjusted. You're talking about treatment, treatment, treatment, treatment.
28:57
Speaker 3: But I think the whole point of this episode is
29:00
Speaker 3: what that actually represented. It wasn't some magic wand somebody
29:05
Speaker 3: waved or magic dust somebody sprinkled on you and you
29:07
Speaker 3: were suddenly miraculously able to do something superhuman. Yeah. The
29:13
Speaker 3: chiropractor was putting you back to human at that point
29:16
Speaker 3: because the human design actually is perfect and it's athletic
29:22
Speaker 3: in nature. And we've talked about a lot of this.
29:24
Speaker 3: It goes out in your emails. We've talked about it
29:27
Speaker 3: on the show. Numerous guests have talked about it on
29:29
Speaker 3: the show. But a lot of people don't really get
29:32
Speaker 3: that point. And there is a blueprint nature has for
29:36
Speaker 3: the body. We don't argue who designed the body. There's
29:39
Speaker 3: lots of argument. on that. But the fact that a
29:41
Speaker 3: design is there is inarguable. It's there, and it has
29:46
Speaker 3: a certain design. And that design is athletic. It's structurally perfect.
29:50
Speaker 3: It's functionally perfect. And those things, when they get interfered with,
29:55
Speaker 3: That's when the body starts to break down and cause
29:58
Speaker 3: all these other things. So you had back pain, but
30:01
Speaker 3: it wasn't some disease you were inflicted with. There was
30:04
Speaker 3: something that went wrong somewhere on that blueprint. And doctors
30:07
Speaker 3: of chiropractic, like yourself, are the people who interpret the blueprint.
30:11
Speaker 3: And then they look at the body that's in front
30:13
Speaker 3: of them and say, all right, where is this deviating?
30:16
Speaker 3: And how do we get it back to blueprint? And
30:18
Speaker 3: most people, I think you'll agree, are walking around out
30:21
Speaker 3: there off-blueprint. whether they're an athlete or not. And this,
30:25
Speaker 3: to me, really is the epitome of what your purpose
30:30
Speaker 3: is and why you went out there, because you want
30:32
Speaker 3: to create that in people.
30:35
Speaker 1: To your point there, think about, too, I had been
30:37
Speaker 1: playing sports since I was three years old. So now
30:41
Speaker 1: I'm 17 at this point, right? So I had gone
30:44
Speaker 1: 14 years of getting hit and practicing God only knows
30:48
Speaker 1: how many times, playing all different sports, between baseball, football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse,
30:56
Speaker 1: how many hits I took, how many hits I gave people,
30:59
Speaker 1: how many times I just put my body in just
31:01
Speaker 1: compromising positions of exercising, training and all that stuff. No
31:07
Speaker 1: wonder why my back was hurting at that point. You
31:09
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like that was an accumulation of
31:12
Speaker 1: 14 years of total body doing everything I could to
31:16
Speaker 1: be an athlete. So it makes sense. Like at that point,
31:19
Speaker 1: your body reaches a breaking point And that was mine.
31:23
Speaker 1: It was one of the best things I did because honestly,
31:26
Speaker 1: if I hadn't gone to the chiropractor then too, you're
31:28
Speaker 1: supposed to have five discs in your low back. My
31:30
Speaker 1: fifth disc is not even the right size that it's
31:33
Speaker 1: supposed to be. So I would have had surgery 100%
31:36
Speaker 1: before this point. I'm 45 now, 17 when this starts happening.
31:40
Speaker 1: And I would have 100% had some kind of back
31:43
Speaker 1: surgery if I didn't do this at that time and
31:45
Speaker 1: then kept doing this all those years. And you know what?
31:49
Speaker 1: Even to this day now, I do maintenance on my body.
31:54
Speaker 1: I've been adjusted all these years, but I still do
31:56
Speaker 1: maintenance on my body. I get adjusted every week or
32:00
Speaker 1: two because now I'm adjusting people and I'm still doing
32:03
Speaker 1: workouts and I'm still playing with my kids. And my
32:06
Speaker 1: body needs to stay in place. Your body is just
32:08
Speaker 1: going to go out of place. You can't just expect
32:10
Speaker 1: it to stay in place because you challenge it. Or
32:13
Speaker 1: if you're just sitting at a job too, it'll go
32:15
Speaker 1: out of place, whether you're active or not. So it's
32:18
Speaker 1: really important to do maintenance on it because life doesn't stop.
32:22
Speaker 1: You know, you're not just sitting on a beach somewhere
32:24
Speaker 1: where there's no strains on your body. You have a life.
32:28
Speaker 1: You're driving cars, you're sitting in cars, you're sitting at work,
32:32
Speaker 1: working out at the gym or whatever you're doing. It's
32:34
Speaker 1: an accumulation that you got to get fixed, basically. Yeah.
32:38
Speaker 3: And I always held as my private opinion that adjustment
32:42
Speaker 3: is kind of a misnomer. It's not a great word.
32:45
Speaker 3: Get adjusted or an adjustment. Yes, there is an adjustment involved,
32:50
Speaker 3: but it sort of conveys the meaning that something's being
32:53
Speaker 3: put somewhere, maybe unnatural, when actually it's the opposite. I
32:58
Speaker 3: think the word correction is the best. You know, when
33:01
Speaker 3: you're driving, I always think of small corrections, right? Like
33:04
Speaker 3: when you first learn to drive and you're driving on
33:06
Speaker 3: a straightaway, you're moving the steering wheel a little bit
33:09
Speaker 3: and you make small corrections. The car starts to veer
33:13
Speaker 3: a little left and in a split second, you push
33:16
Speaker 3: the wheel slight right to correct it. I think correction
33:20
Speaker 3: is really the best name for what happens when you
33:24
Speaker 3: say get adjusted. You're just getting corrected. Something is being
33:28
Speaker 3: put back into its proper place. And what stresses do
33:33
Speaker 3: on the body is they move things out of place.
33:35
Speaker 3: And that's the nature of your injury. I mean, the
33:38
Speaker 3: most obvious one, a knee injury like that. Talk about
33:41
Speaker 3: your knee being pushed out of place or you have
33:44
Speaker 3: a disc. that's too small. Of course, those cushions are
33:48
Speaker 3: there for a reason and those spacings are there for
33:51
Speaker 3: a reason per design. Of course, you're going to go
33:53
Speaker 3: off design. So it needs to be corrected. So I
33:56
Speaker 3: think that's actually something that really needs to be clarified
33:59
Speaker 3: in addition to the fact that the human body is
34:02
Speaker 3: naturally athletic and that if you correct it, it will,
34:07
Speaker 3: you know, assume its true form. I think I just
34:09
Speaker 3: put out in one of your emails this week, I
34:12
Speaker 3: said that if you fix structurally, mechanically, and functionally the body,
34:20
Speaker 3: it goes back to its natural design, which is athletic,
34:23
Speaker 3: and you don't need hours of reps at the gym
34:26
Speaker 3: to achieve that. All you have to do is put
34:28
Speaker 3: it back to right. Now, of course, you know, there's
34:30
Speaker 3: muscle development and things like that, but as far as
34:33
Speaker 3: the physique of the body, we talk a lot about
34:36
Speaker 3: weight loss, and you, quote, treat that in your practice,
34:40
Speaker 3: but you don't treat weight loss. You actually treat Basic function, structure, blueprint,
34:46
Speaker 3: and correction, right? And even if it's somebody just wants
34:50
Speaker 3: to lose weight and be more fit, the correction is
34:53
Speaker 3: the word. You're actually correcting them so that they function
34:57
Speaker 3: properly and the body takes its true form. So now
35:01
Speaker 3: you're going to college, not just with an athletic body
35:04
Speaker 3: that's in its true form and been protected from being
35:07
Speaker 3: destroyed for the rest of its life, but sort of
35:11
Speaker 3: a viewpoint. Your attitude was corrected into thinking the way
35:15
Speaker 3: nature thinks. That drove you from your undergrad to chiropractic school.
35:20
Speaker 3: You went to Palmer, which is the birthplace of chiropractic.
35:26
Speaker 1: Yep. D.D.
35:26
Speaker 2: Palmer.
35:27
Speaker 3: Palmer.
35:28
Speaker 1: Davenport, Iowa, the city that never sleeps.
35:31
Speaker 3: Exactly, right? So you went to the chiropractic school. And
35:36
Speaker 3: we could get into all you learned there, but I
35:40
Speaker 3: think the connection we want to make here is between
35:42
Speaker 3: your athletic background and what you want to do in practice.
35:45
Speaker 3: And I don't think it means that you don't want
35:47
Speaker 3: to treat families or whatever, because honestly, if you look
35:50
Speaker 3: at the blueprint of the human body, every single person
35:53
Speaker 3: you treat, whether they're, quote, into sports or into fitness
35:56
Speaker 3: or not, or what level they are, we can warrior
35:59
Speaker 3: to pro, they're an athlete. Anyone walking around is an
36:03
Speaker 3: athlete by design. But you do have a special affinity for,
36:08
Speaker 3: you know, patients who want to achieve the most and
36:13
Speaker 3: get the most ideal optimum performance out of their body.
36:16
Speaker 3: So maybe you can just explain a little bit about
36:20
Speaker 3: what drove you to want to do and practice these
36:23
Speaker 3: last almost 20 years.
36:25
Speaker 1: By being an athlete so many years and experiencing injuries,
36:28
Speaker 1: I really thought it gave me a lot of good
36:31
Speaker 1: background on how to help people and also guide people,
36:35
Speaker 1: whether they're adults or kids playing sports, because the idea
36:39
Speaker 1: that chiropractic is basically keeping your body in optimal form
36:44
Speaker 1: and keeping you ability to have less injuries, or if
36:48
Speaker 1: you get injured, you typically can get through it faster.
36:51
Speaker 1: It's just, if you lie in your car, How much
36:54
Speaker 1: better does it drive, right? How much less do the
36:56
Speaker 1: tires wear out? You get better gas mileage. It's the
36:59
Speaker 1: same thing. Your body has to be aligned because if
37:02
Speaker 1: you don't do that, you're not going to be able
37:04
Speaker 1: to get the maximum out of your body, especially if
37:07
Speaker 1: you're trying to push yourself. If you're trying to work
37:09
Speaker 1: to be in college or even if somebody's good enough
37:13
Speaker 1: to be a pro, you have to have your body there.
37:16
Speaker 1: I've seen so many kids now, like my kids play
37:19
Speaker 1: sports now, and it's really gone full circle because because
37:23
Speaker 1: I can help them now. I told both of them,
37:25
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you have the ultimate advantage over
37:29
Speaker 1: everybody else because you guys have me to keep you healthy,
37:34
Speaker 1: to keep you in alignment so that you can be
37:36
Speaker 1: at your maximum abilities to play your sports. So both
37:40
Speaker 1: my girls, my youngest plays volleyball and then she also
37:43
Speaker 1: plays flag football. My oldest has been playing volleyball for
37:47
Speaker 1: about five or six years now. She's a great player.
37:50
Speaker 1: My youngest is a great athlete and a great player too.
37:53
Speaker 1: But I feel like the advantage they have, even more
37:56
Speaker 1: so than I had, because I'm here with them making
38:00
Speaker 1: sure that not only are they in alignment, but also
38:03
Speaker 1: what they're eating, how their body is reacting, what cleats
38:08
Speaker 1: we wear.
38:09
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
38:10
Speaker 1: All that stuff. I can guide them on those things
38:12
Speaker 1: because I've dealt with that. I had shin splints. I've
38:16
Speaker 1: had plantar fasciitis. I've had knee injuries and back injuries
38:20
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I know how important it is.
38:23
Speaker 1: just down to the cleats that they should wear. But
38:26
Speaker 1: as far as like the recovery part of it, I
38:29
Speaker 1: work with them after these games and these tournaments and stuff.
38:33
Speaker 1: Like I'll do laser treatments on them. I'll do even
38:35
Speaker 1: red light treatments on them just for the recovery aspect
38:39
Speaker 1: of you're playing, you're putting your body through a lot.
38:42
Speaker 1: And as a kid, yeah, you're going to recover faster
38:44
Speaker 1: than an adult will, but you have to reset your
38:47
Speaker 1: body so that you can then go practice the next
38:50
Speaker 1: day or practice and play in another game or whatever
38:52
Speaker 1: it is that you're doing. And that's why it's so
38:54
Speaker 1: important to have these recovery times. And I feel like
38:57
Speaker 1: it's such a push now to typically play one sport
39:01
Speaker 1: and to also just kind of push through all these injuries.
39:04
Speaker 1: I remember driving my daughter to practice a few months
39:06
Speaker 1: ago and we were in the car and they were
39:08
Speaker 1: trying to figure out study time for their finals. And
39:12
Speaker 1: as we're sitting there, they're like, well, I can't do
39:14
Speaker 1: this day because I got PT. And the other one's like, well,
39:16
Speaker 1: I can't do that day because I have PT. And
39:18
Speaker 1: the other one's like, well, I can't do this day
39:20
Speaker 1: because I have PT. And my daughter is sitting in
39:22
Speaker 1: the front seat and she looks over at me and
39:24
Speaker 1: she goes, I've never even been to PT. You know,
39:28
Speaker 1: there's times where you'll need PT, but a lot of
39:31
Speaker 1: this is overuse injuries and misalignments of the body. So
39:34
Speaker 1: now their bodies are breaking down. These kids are in
39:36
Speaker 1: ninth grade at this point. So there shouldn't be all
39:39
Speaker 1: these major injuries in ninth grade. You know, like your
39:41
Speaker 1: body should be at your pretty much peak health, you know,
39:45
Speaker 1: in your teenage years. So the fact that so many
39:48
Speaker 1: kids are out there going to PT, and then really
39:50
Speaker 1: not getting any better. There's more to it than just that.
39:54
Speaker 1: And I do feel like there's a place for PT. Obviously,
39:56
Speaker 1: I went to PT when I had knee injuries and
39:58
Speaker 1: stuff like that, ankle injuries and everything. But if you
40:01
Speaker 1: don't keep your body in alignment, you now have misalignments
40:04
Speaker 1: that create those overuse injuries and create those injuries because
40:07
Speaker 1: also a lot of kids are specializing in one sport.
40:11
Speaker 1: That's where the disconnect is. That was my goal getting
40:15
Speaker 1: into chiropractic is to try to guide parents and kids
40:18
Speaker 1: about how to get through with less injuries, and also
40:21
Speaker 1: if you have the chance to play in college, make
40:24
Speaker 1: sure you stay healthy enough to get that scholarship and
40:26
Speaker 1: get that chance to even have that. Because if you
40:28
Speaker 1: get hurt, you lose all those chances to even do that.
40:31
Speaker 3: And I just want to point out something. Talk about
40:34
Speaker 3: a legacy that you've created. You've taken an injury situation
40:39
Speaker 3: and a decision not to pursue athletics in college and
40:42
Speaker 3: translated it into opening up the possibility for young athletes
40:47
Speaker 3: to do that. It's not just your daughter's. I mean,
40:50
Speaker 3: you're taking care of students from other teams and there's
40:53
Speaker 3: all kinds of, in your community there in Tennessee, football
40:58
Speaker 3: and so on, volleyball.
40:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've sponsored softball teams in the area.
41:03
Speaker 3: Exactly. So you've gone from sacrificing a career in athletics,
41:09
Speaker 3: a potential one that had some potential disaster to it,
41:14
Speaker 3: but you've translated that. And I think this is what's
41:16
Speaker 3: most commendable is you're, making the next generation of athletes,
41:21
Speaker 3: you're making it a possibility for them not to have
41:23
Speaker 3: to go through that and to be able to succeed
41:26
Speaker 3: like the top professional athletes. And I think that's really
41:29
Speaker 3: worth mentioning here because of all of these principles that
41:35
Speaker 3: we talk about all the time. It's not any longer just, oh,
41:38
Speaker 3: it's back pain or whatever. And again, talk about legacy.
41:42
Speaker 3: It's not just the possibility of going to college, which
41:44
Speaker 3: it seems like both your daughters will have and Many
41:47
Speaker 3: of the students you've treated in your community and young
41:50
Speaker 3: athletes you've treated have more possibilities ahead of them, but
41:53
Speaker 3: they also have less possibility of breaking down at an
41:57
Speaker 3: early age or even a later age in life to
42:00
Speaker 3: where they can still go to college for athletics or
42:04
Speaker 3: pursue an amateur or professional athletic career and not worry
42:08
Speaker 3: about their own children in the future and being able
42:11
Speaker 3: to participate and do things with them and, oh, mom's
42:15
Speaker 3: injured or dad's injured. can't participate. So I think that's
42:18
Speaker 3: kind of worth saying that you've actually taken one person's
42:22
Speaker 3: college career and said, all right, let's put that aside
42:26
Speaker 3: and reward the many with this. And I don't know
42:29
Speaker 3: about you, I think you're achieving that in practice.
42:33
Speaker 1: I see it more and more every year. And the
42:34
Speaker 1: more I've gotten some athletes to come in and they
42:36
Speaker 1: tell their teammates. So it's gotten a lot better. I
42:40
Speaker 1: think because so many people don't even know, you know,
42:43
Speaker 1: every major sports team has chiropractors on staff. And then
42:47
Speaker 1: even the Olympics will take over 150, 200 chiropractors overseas
42:51
Speaker 1: to wherever they do the Olympics. It's a huge part
42:54
Speaker 1: of athletics now. And even the chiropractor that's actually the
42:57
Speaker 1: head of the medical team for the Olympics, he's the
43:01
Speaker 1: one that makes all the decisions on how they treat
43:03
Speaker 1: their athletes when they get injuries and how their recovery
43:06
Speaker 1: is and all that stuff. And they've got on this
43:07
Speaker 1: route of more of the conservative treatments. They've gotten away
43:10
Speaker 1: from injections and surgeries and things like that. They've really
43:15
Speaker 1: tried to maintain... the integrity of the body, and do
43:18
Speaker 1: things that are not going to put them at risk
43:20
Speaker 1: of future injuries. Like I did, like not taking that
43:23
Speaker 1: injection just to play in one game and then possibly have,
43:26
Speaker 1: you know, even more injuries after the game's over.
43:28
Speaker 3: And you're picking them up later as well. It's not
43:32
Speaker 3: just student athletes. Here on the show, we've had at
43:35
Speaker 3: least two posing athletes, things like that, weightlifters. You've had
43:42
Speaker 3: other people who play football that you've worked with. Remember
43:46
Speaker 3: the episode we did with Libby Vincek? She was in
43:49
Speaker 3: whatever season of Survivor, sleeping on dirt floors and all
43:54
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, and you're even helping her. It's
43:57
Speaker 3: not just preserving the future, but people who have not
44:02
Speaker 3: gone this path and are experiencing the adverse effects of
44:07
Speaker 3: not being on Blueprint their whole life or having an
44:09
Speaker 3: accumulation of injuries, you're also able to help them as well.
44:14
Speaker 3: You know, even somebody in later life, and I've seen
44:16
Speaker 3: this in a lot of your success stories that you've
44:19
Speaker 3: had with your patients and people we've interviewed on the show,
44:22
Speaker 3: that here they are in later life, and they're still
44:26
Speaker 3: cashing in on being put back to Blueprint. So I
44:29
Speaker 3: think it's pretty amazing, you know, the things that you're
44:32
Speaker 3: able to do. What's your overall viewpoint of the future
44:35
Speaker 3: now with your practice? 20 years in practice, you still
44:38
Speaker 3: got a lot in you. You've got daughters that are
44:41
Speaker 3: going to be going off to college soon, and you've
44:43
Speaker 3: got a whole community of athletes, both amateur, semi-pro, pro,
44:48
Speaker 3: weekend warriors, fitness enthusiasts, or people who just want to
44:52
Speaker 3: be a soccer mom, but be in good shape to
44:55
Speaker 3: participate with their children. What's it look like from here,
44:57
Speaker 3: 2026 forward?
44:59
Speaker 1: Halfway through my career, I plan on working another 20 years.
45:02
Speaker 1: So I really want to continue to grow the practice
45:06
Speaker 1: on the athletic side, like really get more student athletes,
45:09
Speaker 1: more weekend warriors, more older athletes coming in and just
45:13
Speaker 1: keeping them healthy so that they can enjoy these things.
45:15
Speaker 1: Whether it's just walking around the block with their friends
45:18
Speaker 1: or taking the dog for a walk or being able
45:21
Speaker 1: to play with their kids, whether it's their kids, their grandkids,
45:24
Speaker 1: those are the things that really matter. And when I
45:27
Speaker 1: made the decision to not to play in college and
45:30
Speaker 1: not to do some kind of injection in my knee
45:32
Speaker 1: just to play in that one game. I really was
45:35
Speaker 1: thinking about the future. Even at Palmer, they have a
45:37
Speaker 1: rugby team and I had been asked to even play
45:39
Speaker 1: on the rugby team. And I said, no, just because
45:41
Speaker 1: I'm like, now at this point, I'll be breaking fingers.
45:44
Speaker 1: I'll be getting concussions. Like, what's the point of that
45:47
Speaker 1: when I'm about to graduate in a couple of years
45:49
Speaker 1: and go off and try to treat patients? So I
45:52
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I didn't want to do that.
45:54
Speaker 1: So I looked at it like, hey, I'm here for
45:55
Speaker 1: the long term. I plan on living a long time.
45:58
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to have grandkids, great grandkids. I want to
46:01
Speaker 1: be around for a long time to be an inspiration
46:03
Speaker 1: for them. And I want to work a long time.
46:06
Speaker 1: Part of that is maintaining my body. I've had to
46:09
Speaker 1: put in maintenance on my body just to be able
46:11
Speaker 1: to see patients because it's a physical job. I plan
46:16
Speaker 1: on doing this at least another 20 years. So I
46:18
Speaker 1: want to make sure that my body is healthy enough
46:20
Speaker 1: to treat these patients. And then I'm in it for
46:23
Speaker 1: the long term. You know, it's a marathon. It's not
46:25
Speaker 1: a sprint. And I want to make sure that my
46:27
Speaker 1: body is able to handle that so that I can
46:29
Speaker 1: treat more athletes, treat more families and get people off
46:32
Speaker 1: to college if they want to play sports. I'd love
46:35
Speaker 1: to see more of these kids get scholarships. There's so
46:37
Speaker 1: much opportunity now for girls sports is huge. And like
46:41
Speaker 1: this whole flag football thing that I've watched now, it's monster.
46:45
Speaker 1: That is the new wave. That's like what golf was
46:48
Speaker 1: like in the 90s for girls, where if you were
46:50
Speaker 1: decent at golf as a girl, you get in a scholarship.
46:52
Speaker 1: That's what's going on with flag football right now. They're
46:55
Speaker 1: about to add this in the next couple of years
46:57
Speaker 1: as like an official D1 sport, like Big 12, SEC,
47:01
Speaker 1: Big 10. They're about to add this to all those.
47:03
Speaker 1: That's thousands and thousands of opportunities for girls to play
47:07
Speaker 1: sports and opportunities for them to go to college that
47:10
Speaker 1: maybe they couldn't have gone or just saving money or
47:13
Speaker 1: even NIL money. Who knows if they're going to be
47:15
Speaker 1: doing that too? So it's like such a big thing.
47:19
Speaker 1: to see this. And I'm like, I want to be
47:20
Speaker 1: there to help with these opportunities and including for my
47:22
Speaker 1: own kids, you know, they might, they might want to
47:24
Speaker 1: play in college too.
47:26
Speaker 3: And I'm having this idea now, I think we're going
47:28
Speaker 3: to do a whole episode on the success mindset coach,
47:31
Speaker 3: because you've actually proven just here, you know, and what
47:37
Speaker 3: little you've talked about, about your mindset, about being a
47:39
Speaker 3: straight A student, about, you know, in the face of loss,
47:43
Speaker 3: still persevering and playing and then injury and still playing.
47:46
Speaker 3: And then the ability to look to the future and
47:50
Speaker 3: figure out what the best moves are. You've certainly proven
47:54
Speaker 3: that you can do that. And being able to take
47:57
Speaker 3: that forward into the future with the practice, I think,
47:59
Speaker 3: is commendable. So I think there's a whole episode in
48:03
Speaker 3: us talking about the success mindset. Even the fact that
48:07
Speaker 3: you've even conquered the fact that You were basically Rocky Balboa,
48:13
Speaker 3: one of your greatest, foremost heroes in the beginning when
48:16
Speaker 3: we first decided to do a podcast. And I'm not
48:19
Speaker 3: saying that.
48:19
Speaker 1: As an insult.
48:20
Speaker 3: Well, it's taken.
48:21
Speaker 1: A lot of practice. It sounded like I had rocks
48:24
Speaker 1: in my mouth when I was first doing the podcast.
48:26
Speaker 3: I was going to bring that up because the Rocky
48:28
Speaker 3: trailer for the movie coming out, there was that one
48:31
Speaker 3: clip where he sounds like he has rocks in his mouth.
48:34
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, that's why they call him Rocky. But
48:36
Speaker 3: it's funny, we've literally had that experience and we always
48:39
Speaker 3: joke about it in all our shenanigans where you're like, yeah,
48:41
Speaker 3: you know, I don't talk too good. And look at
48:45
Speaker 3: you now. You've hosted 100 episodes. You're a dynamite host
48:49
Speaker 3: for the show and you do this all the way
48:51
Speaker 3: like you do everything else in your life. You play
48:54
Speaker 3: cards all the way. You raise kids all the way.
48:56
Speaker 3: You handle injury all the way. You help athletes all
48:59
Speaker 3: the way. And that's why I wanted to do this episode.
49:03
Speaker 3: I was like, it's time. The world knew who Coach
49:06
Speaker 3: Frank is. We don't even call him Dr. Frank Margiela.
49:09
Speaker 3: We call him Coach Frank because this is what a
49:11
Speaker 3: coach does, except you're coaching your entire community. And I
49:15
Speaker 3: think that's commendable.
49:16
Speaker 1: So my next goal here is just watching my kids
49:21
Speaker 1: play sports the next few years. Gianna's on the high
49:24
Speaker 1: school volleyball team and she's, she's a sophomore this year.
49:27
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to her playing on varsity in the
49:29
Speaker 1: next couple of years. And their team, the Nolensville high
49:32
Speaker 1: school team has won a number of state championships for
49:35
Speaker 1: volleyball here. So there's a good chance that that could happen.
49:38
Speaker 1: I mean, that was what I wanted as a kid.
49:40
Speaker 1: Like when I was in high school, man, I want
49:41
Speaker 1: that banner for the rest of like hanging there forever.
49:44
Speaker 1: So I could go back to the school and be like, hey,
49:46
Speaker 1: I was part of that team, you know, to show
49:48
Speaker 1: my kids to go back and reminisce with my friends.
49:50
Speaker 1: Like that's what I always wanted when I was a kid.
49:52
Speaker 1: And I just thought it was the coolest thing. So
49:54
Speaker 1: I hope my kids get to experience that. My youngest
49:56
Speaker 1: plays volleyball and then started playing flag football. And I
50:00
Speaker 1: think that's one of the biggest growing sports and one
50:02
Speaker 1: of the biggest opportunities for girls. And I'm glad we're
50:05
Speaker 1: at kind of the ground floor to see that happen
50:07
Speaker 1: for all these girls coming up, including my own daughter.
50:09
Speaker 3: Well, they definitely take after their dad, I have to
50:11
Speaker 3: tell you. I mean, their attitude and they're just crushing
50:14
Speaker 3: it the way you would. So that's commendable as well.
50:18
Speaker 3: And let that be a lesson to you folks. And
50:20
Speaker 3: just realize that in all of this, now that you
50:24
Speaker 3: have this well-rounded view of Coach Frank, I'd like to
50:27
Speaker 3: remind you that the coach's door is always open.
50:30
Speaker 1: That's right. Right?
50:32
Speaker 3: And what do we tell them to do? They can
50:35
Speaker 3: reach out to you on platforms and they can ask
50:38
Speaker 3: you questions.
50:39
Speaker 1: DM me any of your questions on Instagram at Ideal
50:44
Speaker 1: Health Wellness Center, at Facebook at Ideal Health and Wellness Center.
50:49
Speaker 1: Tell me what's going on and I'll tell you what
50:51
Speaker 1: I think.
50:52
Speaker 3: All right, Coach Frank, take us out.
50:54
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50:58
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51:01
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51:24
Speaker 1: And on top of that, we had a cease and
51:25
Speaker 1: desist order.
51:26
Speaker 3: Yeah. I might cut that out of the interview, but yes,
51:33
Speaker 3: we had a cease and desist. I don't want to
51:35
Speaker 3: promote that. There's no way that's going to make it.