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Burnout vs. Overwhelm: You Can’t Hustle Your Way Out of This — with Dr. Rosemary Batanjski · The Boujee Multipreneur

• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, this is Dr.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Hillary.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Bougie Multipreneur.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: If you've been listening for a while, you might notice we're changing things up a little bit on here.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that is because I'm going to start adding a guest with me.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I love talking about business and leadership, money, and just pretty much anything it takes to build something on your own, right?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I decided I just don't want to be the only one talking anymore.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm bringing business owners, friends, entrepreneurs onto the podcast to have real conversations about what owning a business actually looks like.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like the good stuff, the hard stuff, the mistakes, the lessons, and everything that happens behind the scenes.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Today I'm excited to have my friend.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is Dr.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: Rose Mary Batansky.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: She is the co-founder of Cairo Freedom Formula.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: I might have messed up that.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Dr.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Rose.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: She's my business coach and she is a chiropractor in Michigan, my home state.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome, Dr.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Rose.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: I am so happy to be here, Hilary, just because not only are you a friend, but you're one of the best business owners that I know.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I love your idea, how you're pivoting here and having other people join you.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've been listening to your podcast for some time, and this is fun.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: I love how your podcasts, let me just be honest, are short, sweet, and to the point.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like who you are in general.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like Hillary mentioned, I did co-found Cairo Freedom Formula with Dr.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Jen Bondi.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: She is my business partner.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: We are not like your typical practice management groups.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: We are practice growth strategists.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: And where my zone of genius lies is that I love working with people in mindset.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: And for the last six years since COVID started and rocked everybody's world, I've been um studying the neuroscience of success, particularly behavioral psychology in women's leadership.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: I've taken some courses at Wharton, Harvard, and at MIT.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm happy to kind of unpack this with you today.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yay, I'm so excited, you're on as my first guest.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: What you and I have been talking about lately, and something that we you have been studying for a long time, is the the burnout versus feeling overwhelmed and where that distinction lies.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell us a little bit uh the difference between burnout and being overwhelmed in general?
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, as caregivers, we hear this from our patients too, right?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where, you know, not only are we seeing it in the women chiropractors group and our friend groups, and we're always hearing um, I'm just burned out.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just burned out.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: Most people have been calling everything burnout.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: And you and I have had personal conversations about this because it's the only word that they have.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like when people have been like when we were growing up, Hillary, people are like, we never heard the word anxious or anxiety, right?
• 3:27
  unknown: No.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: So we all of a sudden tie like every emotion to or every reason someone did something.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it was her anxiety, or it was her, and I'm not diminishing anxiety, like anxiety can be real and clinical, but we're packaging things up where really most people have been calling it burnout, but there's actually a ladder to this.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: I call it a ladder, and calling overwhelm burnout is like calling grease fire a house fire, in my opinion.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: So the response is completely different.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: How our brain, our body, and our actions respond to these things.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so today I wanted to give you some three, like I, you know, I love geeking out, Hillary.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to give you a real distinction between the overwhelm and burnout and the neuroscience.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, chiropractors that are listening, this is something we can witness and look at.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: We're taught how to regulate the nervous system and we're taught to look at people in flight or fight, but what level of flight or fight are they in?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, I'm going to give some tips on what you can do about it and not to feel alone.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're all going through this at some point.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I've talked about some of my experiences even on this podcast of the burnout, feeling overwhelmed, anxiety, everything, right?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and like you said, you and I have been talking about it.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, so let's dig in.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me what you found so far.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I've learned so far is like I'm calling it three levels.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like a ladder of flight or fight.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: So the first one is overwhelmed.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Overwhelmed is a time and a task problem.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, there's too much to do, not enough time.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think every one of the, especially as women and as mothers and wives, you're busy, you're scattered, but you're still functional.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: You still love what you built, you're still looking for solutions.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: You wake up thinking there's got to be a better way.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: So mainly over being overwhelmed is a capacity problem.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: And we've talked about this in our own practices, you and I.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's not an identity problem.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it responds quickly to the right structure, the right support, and another set of eyes.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: What we try to like do um in my consulting.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: The house might feel like fire, but the structure is still sound.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: You just might need a fire extinguisher, not the whole fire department, is what I call it.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: So this is just I I hate to say it, not enough time in the day.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is a time uh management problem.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: Then there's overloaded, and this is a middle level nobody talks about.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: We either go to overwhelm to burnout, and you and I kind of agreed on this, and it's where most women that I work with are actually in.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: Everything's still, it's there's a sense of urgency, and you can't turn your brain off.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: You have decision fatigue, irritability, the anxiety that follows you to bed.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: And guess what?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: We both talked about, we've both recognized when we've sent each other emails at three or four or five in the morning.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: We could we're guilty of that, right, Hilary?
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is where you're still functioning but inconsistently, and it's costing you more every week.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: So because you're waking up at that 3 a.m., because we're not sleeping good, and then we get into the overwhelm part trying to get everything done.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is where it costs you more.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's where your body starts telling you things.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: So time isn't the problem anymore, it's the emotional weight that's compounding every time.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not broken here.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: I try to tell all my clients, you're not broken here, you're saturated.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: And if nothing changes, this is a level that will slide you into burnout.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where um when I catch this, we can unpack this.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not a psychologist.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: Let me make that clear.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a business owner trying to navigate and a coach trying to navigate this, not only in my own life, but with my clients, right?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: But burnout.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: Let's really talk about burnout.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Burnout is the functional collapse.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: You will know if you're burned out.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a bad week or a hard season.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: This is where numbness replaces that overwhelm.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Detachment replaces drive.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: You used to love this, you used to love your practice, you used to love your business, you love everything, everyone on your team.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now you're just going through the motions.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is where you say, I don't care.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like how many times you I just want to burn it to the ground.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: You can we hear this from a lot of our colleagues.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Do you agree?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: Burnout isn't a mindset problem, guys.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's your nervous system stuck in survival mode.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: You have patients that get to this point where you could be giving the best care, the best supplements, the best everything, and they're not getting better because they're not stuck in a sub, they're stuck, and you cannot, I hate to say it, calendar your way out of burnout and schedule.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is not a hustle your way out.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is your body has to acknowledge I am burned out.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: I need a reset so my brain can rewire.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the most important thing I can say about burnout, it doesn't fully improve until the both the person and the system um recovers.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, in many practices, when I notice that the we're on the verge of burnout, is when I have gone in and asked the team, we need your support.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: I need your support.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, Brene Brown, Dare to Lead, is one of my favorite books with vulnerability.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I talked to you personally about this, both in my own life and your own life, is yeah, vulnerability is actually a strength, not a weakness.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so you're trying to fix these systems in your practice, everything's on fire, but the person's still on fire.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Your brain, like you're numb.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: You can't make a decision if your life depends on it.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think about everything I just talked about, Hilary?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, one of my um favorite things you said was you can't hustle your way out of this.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote it down because I was like, that really uh resonated with me, where I always am hustle more, more, more, it'll get better, but not in this scenario.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of those hustles more is not going to equate to feeling better.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, because we're practitioners, let me just tell you a little bit about the neuroscience with this stress cycle with burnout.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Your body's one job.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, obviously, we we believe we heal itself, right?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: But your body has one job when it senses a threat, and that is to protect you.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: It floods you with cortisol, adrenaline, your heart rate goes up, your muscles test.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: So you're back.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the practice owners are like, I'm in chronic pain because of the burnout.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Your digestion will shut down.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is flight, fight or freeze.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: We've both had this.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about where you're frozen, you can't, you've said it to be rose, just make the decision for me, right?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: So you're basically your nervous system cannot tell the difference between a lion and a difficult patient, a team member who just quit, or payroll that doesn't like you don't have the money for the payroll.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's basically your body just sees threats and the cortisol goes up, and you're paralyzed with decision making and everything.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Analysis, paralysis, as we've talked about.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: But here's where the part that nobody tells you, Hillary.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's what our wellness industry, chiropractic industry never says out loud.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Removing the stressor doesn't complete the stress cycle.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can leave the office, close your laptop, go home and pour a glass of wine, and your body's still running the threat response, right?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because your body needs a biological signal that the danger is over.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't just take your word.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm good right now, right?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So here's let's talk about this because it's part of why you do this podcast.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: You, your target, we're high achieving women.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of us that are listening to your podcasts, running businesses, raising children, holding our marriages together, are managing the stressors every day without completing the stress cycle.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Those stressors activate.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: So this the stressor ends.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like you might go home, okay.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: I fired someone, or I created a solution with my coach today.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: But the stress cycle hasn't remember what we talk about closing the loop many times?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't closed that loop.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And when that loop doesn't close, it will destroy your health, your performance, your relationships, and it'll suck the joy out of you.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's burnout.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not too much work, it's an uncompleted cycle over and over again until you're completely numb.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: So things that actually close the loop, and this could be a whole nother podcast, is there's actually um a hormone called anandomy.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know that I'm geeking out here, that I love geeking out.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there is uh an a hormone called anandomine, and that's actually your bliss hormone.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it was discovered in 1992 when they were actually studying THC and where THC binds in the brain.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Believe it or not, they found out that it causes bliss.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, bliss is not stored, it's created.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: So kind of think about like when you like things that cause bliss in your life: great chocolate bar, grass of wine, people have said gummies, sex, exercise, going on vacation.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Those are things that trigger your bliss hormone or bliss molecule.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And believe it or not, Google it if you don't believe me.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: There is a bliss, there is a formula for um, there is a chemical formula for bliss.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: But here's what closes the loop.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and research is finding these three things.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Believe it or not, it's so simple.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Movement 20-minute walk after a hard day, your body activated a full threat response, so it'll let finish if you walk fast.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: The movement is the signal that the danger's over.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's proven.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Real laughter, not polite laughter, full body, helpless, lose your breast laughter.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a biological completion.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: So when's the last time you really laughed last, Hillary?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like really laughed.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh watching my funny movies.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but you know, like sending reels to each other and use those short laughs.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like I enjoy doing that too, like with with friends, just the stupid little funny reels, just a little a laugh for the day.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting you say that with the doom scrolling.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Some people will say it stimulates your cortisol and it's not good for you because you'll either want to do two things.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're getting like that fear of missing out or comparison, the thief of joy.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: But then on the other hand, you could be spending money like you mean at three o'clock in the morning on TikTok.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: But my husband will often say, Why was the whole bed shaking?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Your body was like he was trying to sleep, and the whole bed, I was laughing so hard because my friends send me TikToks at night.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we're talking about.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that is, and if you can't remember when you did that gut laugh, that's the signal that you're you know that like this is where you might need help.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, not only chiropractic, but to seek help because movement and real laughter are really um components of this, and then believe it or not, a 20-second hug.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if you've seen these things on TikTok and everything, is stare at someone in the eyes for however long or hug for it, it actually is long enough for oxytocin to release.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't have someone to hug, and if you have a dog, I think we all know that the dog will naturally release when they lay on you oxytocin.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: So must most of us skip straight from survival mode to the next task, and we're not letting our bodies land.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: So as chiropractors, whoever's listening to you, and I if I if I'm hitting some pain points here, is here we're showing up for our patients and telling them everything, like you know, do as I say, not as I do.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that's hard.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: And the other thing is, and I and I know if you want to ask me any questions, I've been like ranting here because I'm so passionate about this.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is that um biologically we're motivated by two emotions to survive, and those are fear and love.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uncondition everybody wants love.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't matter what like love from a partner, love from a patient, love from a client, love from a child.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Unconditional, we just want love.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: And what when love is it, it's a primal reaction and emotion, and when you don't have it, it gets replaced by fear, which makes sense.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: We do we make decisions out of fear, we have arguments out of fear, we lose control out of fear, right?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I guess everyone needs to get a dog.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm just kidding.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so here's the women's piece for any woman that you know I'm very passionate about.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um and why you and I connected so so well.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Is here's the part that keeps me up at night.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: We were conditioned deeply culturally from childhood to be human givers.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um in the Bible, Ezra um it's a it's translated as supporter.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we are designed to support as women.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Our worth is measured by how much we give, how little we ask for, how perfectly we hold it together.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: So completing our own stress cycle feels self-indulgent, right?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: When and you're you already asked me that we're gonna talk about what I like to indulge with.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but to be honest with you, resting or just taking the day off to do nothing or removing yourself from practice when you're dealing with a big stress or event and saying, I need some time to reset, actually makes you feel behind.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: It makes you think that you're being indulgent, guilty.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Resting feels like falling behind, and asking for help feels like weakness or a failure.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end point of this, it's collapse and you cannot pour from an empty vessel.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna tell you, that is not a metaphor.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: That is physiology.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was just thinking this last night when I was sitting outside on my porch, sipping some red wine and not doing anything.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And someone said, This feels great.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I feel a little bit like I should be doing something right now.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't normally just sit and just look around or look at the stars, like I'm doing something.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it is something to retrain ourselves with for those of us that don't just sit for a while.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I I named it, I named mine after I've done all this work.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: I call it sloth mode.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's cute and sloth mode to me is I won't get out of my pajamas for an entire day.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: I won't put a bra on, I won't put makeup on, I don't want to cook, I don't want to, I want to order DoorDash and I don't want to feel guilt about it.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: So when I engage sloth mode, everybody knows now.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I've learned not to feel guilty by it, Hillary, because I named it and I protected it and it's mine.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: So when I tell my husband, he's like, So what are your plans for today?
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like yesterday, um, it was Memorial uh Labor Day.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I'm going into sloth mode.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, then does that mean we're on our own today?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, pretty much.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, So what do you want to do for dinner?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't want to think about it.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you'd like to order, I'll eat anything that you put on the table.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: But once I engage that slot, they all know.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: And that's my day of I can go get my nails done, or I could go get my eyelashes done.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't feel guilt about it.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember I was working with someone, functional medicine girl, that was also a really good spiritual here.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so grateful to her over the years that she taught me self-care equals selfish.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: And but selfish in a good way.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: You need to take care of yourself.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: And she used the analogy.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, when we're on an airplane with our children, when I first had children and I heard them say, put the mask on yourself before your children, and I'm like, hell no.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, 20, you know, my kids are 20 and 20, 20 years later, I could be like, Of course I have to do that.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because if I can't get oxygen, I can't take care of anyone else.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: So true.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: So hard to do.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm gonna name mine bliss mode since you've got to do that.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: So you could text me, I'm in bliss mode.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: I might be like, uh, I will not be responding today because I'm in bliss mode.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's for I have a cup that I can send you.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I've already sent you one mug.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: I actually have a cup cup that says a mug that says bliss, and so you can have it if you would like it.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: You could choose to have wine in it or coffee.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: No one will ever know because you're in bliss mode.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: My two favorites.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Aww.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Rose, um, tell us where everyone can find you, either to follow you on something or to get in touch with you.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let me just uh like invite you all.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you're listening to this and you recognize yourself in any of this, I want you to know something.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're not weak, you're not failing, you build something real, and you just might be carrying something heavy.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: We all do.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: And the bravest thing any one of us can do in business is tell the truth about which level you're in and reach out.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you could find me on social media.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Hillary will share my contact information.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on Women's Chiropactor, I have a Facebook page.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'm happy to help because I had people that helped me during my darkest hours.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where the recovery of burnout overwhelm, whatever you call it, starts.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's not with a better system, it's not with a coach that's gonna tell you to do, you have to do this.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, how many times, Killory, do I say to you, okay, so what are we working on today?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And where I try to meet you where you're at.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because if I have a plan and we're gonna come and talk about what your practice isn't doing, but I just didn't know that you had a really shitty day.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Part of my French, we're on a podcast.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna add more overwhelm to you because I'm telling you we have to do XYZ, right?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you've told me, can you just do it for me?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: How many times have you said it to me?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, sure, because not only am I a lot more than normal.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I do, but also I recognize where you've been.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then I would also, when you're working with clients or your your staff, it's things that you and I have done both in practice.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: When our team is down, we're there to support them.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: When you're down, you have to ask your team.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope that I'm I I have a message I want to read to you guys.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're chiropractors, so you guys know that we know this in our bones, right?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so we know what we're supposed to do, but sometimes just recognizing where we're at and speaking up about it is the most, it's the most powerful thing we can do.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: I agree, I agree.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, as you know, this is the bougie multipreneur podcast.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: I have to ask, Rose, what is your bougie splurge?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's something you will happily spend way too much money on?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Travel.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, travel.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: And where is your next travel destination, Rose?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where isn't it?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: I swear to God, I'm what one of the memes that came to me last night was I'm already planning my next vacation while I'm leaving when I'm still on that current vacation.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, where am I?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is a hard one.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: My travel is committed to a lot of conferences this next couple months because um I teach for like state associations and that.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I try to do two international trips a year.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I already have those planned out next year, which I'm so excited about.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: But travel is my love language, it's a it's a place where I splurge.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't look at my credit card, I just live in that moment because I was I deserve it.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: You do.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: We all do.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Rose, thanks again for being on the podcast with me.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: You are an amazing business coach, friend, chiropractor, everything all in one.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: One wonderful little package.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Love you, girl.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Love you.