Latest / The Marketing Funnel Podcast with Fexingo: Awareness, Interest, Decision, and Action Stages / How HubSpot Inverted the Marketing Funnel
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- Lucas: So HubSpot's whole pitch is that they invented inbound marketing — but what they really did was take the classic marketing funnel and turn it upside down. Luna: Upside down how? Typically you start with a broad awareness stage, narrow to interest, then decision, then action — purchase. HubSpot flips that sequence? Lucas: Exactly. Most companies spend most of their energy and budget on the bottom of the funnel — the decision and action stages. HubSpot says: no, pour everything into the top. Create so much useful content that people find you before they know they need you. Then, educate them until they're ready to buy. Luna: It's almost like the funnel becomes a flywheel — you attract, engage, delight, and that fuels more referrals. Lucas: Right. But the key isn't just philosophy — it's the specific mechanics. HubSpot's blog gets over seven million visits a month. That's not an accident. They publish something like twenty to thirty pieces a week, all designed to answer questions their target customer is typing into Google. Luna: And that content is almost never a hard sell. It's 'how to write a cold email' or 'what is a CRM?' — stuff that helps, not pitches. Lucas: By the time you land on a product page, you've already consumed maybe ten or fifteen pieces of HubSpot content. You trust them. So the decision stage is almost automatic. And that's where the inverted funnel really works — because the cost of acquiring you through organic search is nearly zero compared to paid ads. Luna: It's a beautiful model, but I wonder — does it only work if you're selling to marketers? Because marketers love content. They're the ones who write blog posts themselves. If HubSpot sold to, say, plumbers, would the same strategy hold? Lucas: That is the billion-dollar question. HubSpot's co-founder Brian Halligan has said that inbound marketing works best when the buyer is actively researching online — which is almost everyone now, but especially B2B buyers. For plumbers, a lot of business comes from emergency calls, not reading a blog about pipe materials. Luna: So the inverted funnel might be sector-specific. But for SaaS, it's been wildly successful. HubSpot's free CRM alone has over 180,000 active users — that's a massive top of funnel asset. Lucas: And that free CRM is genius because it's not really free — it's a gateway. You start using it, you get used to the interface, you hit a limit, and then you upgrade. The conversion rate from free to paid is around three and a half percent, which sounds low but is actually healthy for freemium. Luna: And if these marketing conversations have sparked something you've actually used — a framework, a tactic, even just a way of thinking about your own funnel — that's exactly the kind of value we hope to deliver. And it's why listener support matters so much to us. Lucas: Absolutely. This show stays ad-free because of people who find it useful enough to throw a few bucks our way. If that's you, you can head to buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, no perks — just a way to keep these episodes coming. Luna: And we mean that. It's a genuine 'if you find value, support us' vibe. Now back to HubSpot — because what I find really interesting is how they think about the bottom of the funnel differently. Lucas: Yeah, the bottom. So most companies have a sales team that calls leads. HubSpot's approach is: if you've consumed enough content, you should be ready to buy without a sales call. They actually discourage their sales reps from calling leads too early. Luna: That's counterintuitive. Doesn't that leave money on the table? Lucas: Their data says no. If you call someone who just downloaded an ebook, they're still in the interest stage — you'll annoy them. Wait until they request a demo or sign up for a trial. That's when they've entered the decision stage on their own terms. Luna: So the sales team becomes more of a consultative resource than a hunting squad. Lucas: Exactly. And that's hard to pull off because it requires discipline. The average company would see a lead come in and say 'call them now!' HubSpot says 'let them come to you.' It's a trust-first model. Luna: But doesn't that make the marketing funnel longer? If you're waiting for the buyer to be ready, maybe they never are. Lucas: It can be longer, but the customer acquisition cost drops. HubSpot's own case studies show that inbound leads cost sixty percent less than outbound leads. The trade-off is you need patience and a lot of content. Luna: And that content has to be genuinely useful. Not just keyword-stuffed fluff. Lucas: Right. HubSpot's content team is huge — they have dedicated writers for each stage of the funnel. For awareness, they write broad topics like 'What is digital marketing?' For interest, they go deeper — 'How to choose a marketing automation platform.' For decision, they compare their own product to competitors. And for action, they have case studies and ROI calculators. Luna: So the funnel still exists — they just inverted the investment. Most companies spend seventy percent on the bottom, they spend seventy percent on the top. Lucas: Exactly. And the result is that HubSpot's brand is synonymous with inbound marketing. They've essentially commoditized the concept. That's a huge moat. Luna: But I want to push back on one thing. Doesn't this model create a lot of waste? Seven million blog visits — how many of those people are ever going to buy a CRM? Most are just reading for free information. Lucas: That's the classic critique. And it's valid. HubSpot's own numbers suggest that only about one to two percent of blog visitors ever become leads. But the volume is so high that the absolute number of leads is enormous. And because the content costs are mostly fixed, the marginal cost of each extra visit is near zero. Luna: So it's a scale play. You need to be able to produce content at scale for it to work. Lucas: Exactly. That's why smaller companies often struggle to replicate HubSpot's success. They try to write one blog post a week and wonder why it doesn't drive thousands of leads. HubSpot writes twenty posts a week, plus ebooks, webinars, templates — it's a content factory. Luna: And it's not just quantity — it's also SEO authority. HubSpot's domain authority is through the roof, so every new piece ranks quickly. Lucas: Right. They've been doing this since 2006, so they have a decade and a half of link equity. That's a hard advantage to overcome. Luna: So for a startup listening to this, what's the one takeaway? Should they try to invert their funnel too? Lucas: I'd say: pick a very narrow niche and create the best content in that niche. You don't need to cover all of marketing — just the specific problem your product solves. If you're a payroll software for restaurants, write everything about restaurant payroll. That's your inverted funnel. Luna: Narrow and deep, not broad and shallow. Lucas: Exactly. And then give away your best stuff for free. HubSpot gives away a free CRM, free templates, free courses. That builds trust and makes the decision stage almost frictionless. Luna: It's almost like the old saying: give away the razor, sell the blades. HubSpot gives away the knowledge, sells the software. Lucas: That's exactly it. And it works because the knowledge is the razor — it's the thing that gets you in the door. The software is the blade — the ongoing value. Luna: So the inverted funnel isn't just a marketing tactic — it's a business model. Lucas: It is. And that's why it's so powerful. Most companies think of the funnel as a way to sell. HubSpot thinks of it as a way to build a relationship. That shift in mindset is what makes them different. Luna: And that relationship is what drives retention, too. Once you're in the HubSpot ecosystem, it's sticky. Lucas: Very sticky. Their net revenue retention is over 100 percent, meaning existing customers spend more over time. That's the flywheel effect — happy customers refer others, and the cycle continues. Luna: So the inverted funnel actually creates a virtuous cycle, not a linear path. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the lesson for any marketer: don't just think about how to get people in the door. Think about what happens after they enter — and how that experience makes them want to bring others. Luna: I think that's a great place to wrap up. Next episode, we'll look at another company that's rethinking the funnel in a unique way. Lucas: Until then, keep building your funnel — even if it's upside down.