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It Could Happen to You vs Racing with the Moon · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God. Oh, my God.
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Are we on hot mics at the moment?
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Yeah. Say something real egregious.
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I don't know what egregious means, so I assume it's racist. Sure.
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Boy, those egregions.
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Let me tell you about that.
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You know what they're like?
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Ancient egregions.
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Ancient egregions.
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Let's talk about the modern egregions.
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Yeah.
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This shouldn't be that puzzling.
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We should from the top.
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At this point, it's clear what this is.
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Yeah, I mean, I think we are doing it now.
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The Nicolas Cage buying, selling, wrecking podcast.
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Yeah.
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The all seeing, all dancing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Nicolas Cage review.
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That's it.
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Jazz hands. All male, all nude.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Cage review. Yes.
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Speaking of the day, welcome back to Cage match colon
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a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, a podcast where we discuss
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the films and only the films of one Nicolas Cage.
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This week we have I'm Nick.
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Oh, yes. Names.
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Hi, Nick. How are you doing?
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This is your friend, Sean, and co-host of Cage.
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Oh, it's a pleasure to meet you.
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Also, Peter, how are you today? I'm here, too.
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You know, the more comfortable I get at doing this, the worse I get at it.
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Yeah. OK, so to quickly recap, this is 64 Nicolas Cage movies.
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Only Nicolas Cage going head to head, week to week. Got
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bracket style.
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And at the end, there will be one ultimate Victor Nicolas Cage movie
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as chosen by three idiots in the Pacific Northwest, which is definitive.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's how most things are decided.
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This week, we have It Could Happen to You versus Racing with the Moon.
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And maybe for the first time in the history of this entire podcast,
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we get to talk about two good movies.
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Yeah, we'll see about that.
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Oh, nice. Yeah, I like it.
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Oh, but I didn't give up the goat this time.
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It's not my turn to fuck it up.
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It's usually my job.
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I'm trying so hard not to.
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And I did when I started starting this thing.
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So this is an eight and a nine going up against each other.
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So they're they're kind of middling movies,
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which maybe that's how you felt about them.
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I don't know. I mean, up until this point, we've usually had
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last week, not withstanding, we've usually had a banger to a dud,
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a banger to a dud.
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So, yeah, we're talking about
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Racing with the Moon 1984 Nicolas Cage movie.
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So young cage and 1994s.
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It Could Happen to You still youngish, still looking good.
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Which one do we want to jump into first?
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Oh, let's just do Racing with the Moon.
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All right. Pre synopsis.
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Two best buddies, lifelong chums, Henry Hopper Nash, played by Sean Penn
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and Nicky played by Nick Cage are two childhood friends
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who are getting ready to ship off to World War Two.
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And they have three weeks to live their lives as best as possible.
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Hilarity ensues.
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Yeah, they're, you know, high schoolers.
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They're like 17 years old.
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They're going to get into some hijinks in their last six weeks.
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I mean, Nick Cage is definitely the comic relief of this piece.
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Certainly. He plays a second man.
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Yeah, this is a supporting role in this one.
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Definitely more of a Sean Penn picture.
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But could be why it's so good.
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I'm not taking a dig at Nick Cage.
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Don't worry, people. I still love him.
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We do love Nick Cage, but I do have to say, because this is
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just before Birdie, so he has all his teeth.
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Yeah, I checked. I looked.
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We counted. But this is definitely not his best work as an actor.
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Oh, yeah. He gives kind of a tough performance.
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It's I mean, it's not bad. It's not good.
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No, it's very just there.
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I don't know. I think he I still think he did a good job with what it is.
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I agree. He plays kind of just a boozing bowling pin setting.
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He works at a bowling alley.
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Also, the first time I've ever seen that machine
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that they used the pin setter in the 40s.
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So wacky. It's a wild little contraption.
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So Nicky and Henry, their day jobs are they work at a bowling alley
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and they are pin setters.
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Yeah, they have to like go at the back of the alley, grab pins,
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throw them this device and like push it down and weigh it down
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and then even like adjust the pins.
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Right. While dodging bowling balls.
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From Crispin Glover. From Crispin Glover.
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I was just I want to say right now this week I was amazed
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that all of the supporting cast, there was some really good people.
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With this movie, we had Crispin Glover and Carole Kane's in it.
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Michael Madsen is in there as the the GI with his leg blown off.
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Oh, I didn't even notice that. Yeah.
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So and just like in real life, the time I met Crispin Glover,
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I didn't realize it was Crispin Glover till later.
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Yeah, it was during the credits when I noticed. Yeah, same.
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I love Crispin Glover. For me, that face is the kid from Stranger Things.
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Finn Wolfhardt. Oh.
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I don't say this lightly. That kid should be bullied more.
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I'm going to have to cut that out.
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OK, just cut out the name. Just bleep up. Just quack out the name.
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We're not going to be the podcast of child bullying.
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Yeah, we're already the podcast of woman punching.
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Get it together, man.
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Fair. I mean, if he bleeps out the name, we still could be.
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We're not ready to diversify yet, though.
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We got to we got to get a handle on one thing that we punch.
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Yeah. Only if they set you on fire.
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Yeah, but Crispin Glover is just
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launching bowling balls at him in this scene at Sean Penn.
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Yeah, I mean, it was one of my more enjoyed scenes.
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I mean, straight out of the beginning of this movie, the most comedic aspect
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of the film. Sure.
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They're doing that work. They're busy.
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It's like fast paced.
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And they're just trying to catch up because Henry's just getting on work.
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And Nikki.
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So this is our connection to Bertie is all about boobs.
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Oh, yeah. He loves a good boob. Loves a good boob.
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In fact, is trying to get Henry to go on a double date with him
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because Nikki's girlfriend's parents don't like him.
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I wonder why.
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Hmm. Henry's not really dating.
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So they hire local sex worker played by Carol Kane.
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Yeah. Yep. To Annie, the prostitute.
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Annie, the prostitute sex worker.
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We've established that we only use that.
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Thank you. I think she was credited as Annie, the prostitute.
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Well, Annie, the sex worker 1984 has a lot to learn.
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Get woke 1984. Yeah, come on.
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Yeah. So he hires.
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So, I mean, I don't think money was exchanged.
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They seem to be on pretty good terms.
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Yeah. She she offers.
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She offers them, you know, freebie offers Sean Penn a freebie.
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Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, that was a scene.
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Yeah. What else we got?
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So the whole so the whole larger premise of the film is Sean Penn
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meets a woman who works at the movie theater and the library
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played by Elizabeth McCover.
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Caddy Wenger and decides to woo them in the age old tradition of stocking.
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Remember when stocking was considered romantic?
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Well, he she gets on a bus.
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Yeah. OK. And he jumps on the back of the bus and then jumps off
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and like sneaks around in the bushes to see her go into the big rich people house.
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Yeah. OK, that's fair.
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I don't think he like was trying to woo her by stalking her.
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But I'm just saying it was a trait in movies of this era.
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Yeah. But wrongfully assumes that she comes from money, that she is rich
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when, in fact, her mother is the maid of this house and she just lives in it
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and is friends with the rich girl who does live there.
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Main crux of the film is Henry and Katie trying to figure this whole thing out
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before he goes to war. Right.
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So they have a few weeks to form a relationship.
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All the while, Nicky's in the background.
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No consequences. I'm going to war enough.
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You know, fuck who I want.
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I'm going to kill a bunch of expletives for the Japanese.
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And everything's going to be great.
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And of course, he winds up knocking up his girlfriend and suddenly
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they need an abortion before he leaves town to die.
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A clean abortion. Clean abortions.
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I don't know. The trailer she walks into didn't look that clean.
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I talked about this, but then I was reminded that abortions
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in the 40s were probably not pretty off the books anyways.
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So and it, of course, comes down to that's an expensive procedure.
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They try and raise the money by.
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Well, they try to shark some people at pool because some Navy Navy men.
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Yeah. Sean Penn's character, Henry,
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apparently a really good pool player.
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They take it out to this pool hall and after some convincing by Nicky.
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Yeah. Henry agrees to do this.
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They get out there, go to shark some dudes and end up finding out
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that they were getting played from the beginning. Yeah.
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I thought that was a really good scene. I enjoyed it too.
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I really loved that kind of jazz track that was playing
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while they went through the actual game, once it was like officially on.
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Yeah. They don't have enough money to put 150 down on the game.
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So they get a couple of other Navy men to see.
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And I can't believe I missed that joke.
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A couple of other seamen do it bet on their buddies and they do.
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So suddenly the money's on the table and the guy starts playing a lot better.
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What were they playing? They referred to it as straight pool.
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So it's sort of like an end score.
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And it was just in this case, it was one ball, one point.
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There wasn't they weren't calling out balls in sequential order.
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It was you put a ball in a pocket, you get a point.
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You got to get 100 points to win the game.
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That would go forever.
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There's lots of games that take a long time.
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I guess you're supposed to be drinking while you do these things.
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Yeah, generally.
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You don't want a five minute game. That's boring.
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It was the 40s. You didn't have cell phones.
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You didn't have any other distractions.
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What do people do?
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Well, they knocked people up and got clean abortions.
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I played Pugl with semen.
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Scenes like that wouldn't exist in movies nowadays.
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Like they wouldn't have spent that much time on that setup.
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And I agree with you, Nick, where it's like the music
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and everything about the way it was cut, the tension that came from it,
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even though it still felt kind of like a romp.
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It was really interesting.
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I mean, you just wouldn't see something that takes eight minutes.
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You know, kind of a throwaway scene.
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Like it really doesn't have any effect on the movie, but it's a good one.
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By the time it gets to
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Nikki needs the money to pay for the abortion.
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He's the one who brings up in front of Katie that she's rich.
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She could help.
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And then he's, you know, like, fuck off.
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Don't you always fuck up everything?
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You fuck up my life.
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You know, you're the biggest fuck up.
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And there's the movie doesn't spend that much time on Nick Cage
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and Sean Penn's relationship.
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But then thinking over it, writing up show notes, thinking about the pool scene,
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the fact that they almost got, you know, their heads stomped in by semen.
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I go, no, he does fuck up quite a bit.
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Yeah, he doesn't seem to have like a successful outing on anything
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except touching boobs.
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Yeah, he's pretty good at that.
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Yeah. Talk about the.
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I didn't have a segue out of that one.
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No, I mean, I kind of do because you're talking about some of these antics
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that he gets into.
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And I think one of the other like amusing scenes is the two of them drunk.
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Oh, yes, the tattoo scene.
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So like I said, Nikki is all gung ho America.
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We're going to kill the expletives for Japanese people.
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So they get drunk one night and Nikki wants to get a giant bald eagle
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across his chest.
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And the proprietor of the tattoo shop is like, I'm not going to do that.
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I'm going to do you a favor and not tattoo a giant eagle on her chest,
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which I've worked in a tattoo shop.
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It was a proper response to someone that drunk coming in and demanding a tattoo.
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Well, Nikki doesn't take kindly to like, this is a freedom bird.
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This is America.
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The way the guy gets out of it is just like, how much you got?
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They have what? 250 between them.
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About 38. Yeah.
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About 38. That'll get you a sparrow on the elbow.
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You just sparrow on the elbow.
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I will say, though, Elizabeth McGovern, Katie loved her character.
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Super charming.
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The way she goes about wooing Henry Sean Penn.
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She tries to kind of initially blow him off by being.
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She is set up by her with her friend's cousin,
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but her friend doesn't have a date to the roller rink.
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So Henry comes in.
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She's like, Henry, what are you doing on Christmas Eve?
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And tries to get him to commit to plans.
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And she's like, great. You're going to go out with my friend here.
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I loved Henry's little dumb way of getting into this.
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She's like, Christmas Eve, you you've probably got plans with your family.
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Right. He's like, oh, yeah.
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Family. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I don't have plans.
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No. Oh, what's going on?
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Oh, my dad, he's and he looks over and just sees a fishing magazine.
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And he's like, he's fishing. He Kaiser so say that. Yeah.
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It was fun.
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I mean, I'm going to do it poorly because I'm not Sean Penn.
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But but who is Sean Penn?
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My buddy Paul looks a lot like Sean Penn.
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And so Paul's Sean Penn. Paul is Sean Penn.
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It was good.
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She just kind of brings him in with it.
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And then, you know, it's a bait and switch.
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I do also like how we see that Henry.
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Henry's a bit of a rebel. Henry doesn't follow the rules
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because he's getting piano lessons at the beginning of the movie.
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And he plays pretty well on the piano.
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He's like, no, play it like this. No, play it like this.
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And he finally gets it.
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And then he just does a little ragtime and the piano instructor just stands up,
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grabs his coat, throws on his hat.
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His mom comes in like, stop it, stop it.
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And like, I'm so sorry.
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And he just like storms out of the house.
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He just can't stand that popular music.
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Yeah. Well, he was a pastor.
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Was he? Yeah.
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It's like the pastor or whatever.
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And so that damned rock and roll.
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That damned fucking music.
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Yeah. Sensibilities were different back then.
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Yeah. You could touch a boob, but don't listen to rock and roll.
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They had a hard job.
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They were having bowling balls thrown at them by Crispin Glover.
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Yeah. He had a good arm.
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I'm just so intrigued by how bowling alleys used to work.
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I know they had to pick up the ball and send it down a ramp.
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Every time we go bowling, I keep telling you monkeys could do that job.
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And I mean, if Nick Cage could do it, a monkey could do it.
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Maybe, maybe.
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I would like to see like baboons in the back.
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Just big red butts and blue faces.
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They could hang upside down while doing it.
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It's true. They wouldn't have balls thrown at their legs that way.
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I'm just saying like there's a money making scheme here to be made
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where we sell a baboon instead of like these $50,000 machines.
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I guarantee if we try to sell a baboon,
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it will be problematic and not end well for either of us.
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Because it will be killed by a baboon.
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Yes.
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Not even the moral implications of baboon sales.
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Just the fact that if we had a baboon, it would kill us.
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I'm not versed on monkey law, so I can't say.
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But I've watched a few nature documentaries
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and I think I would get bit a lot.
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They go for the testicles.
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They just rip those things right off.
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Sons of bitches.
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I like my testicles exactly where they are.
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I hear the Germans have a thing that.
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OK, let's let's get into favorite quotes.
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We're getting into my favorite quotes.
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OK, well, why don't you just give us your favorite quote?
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All right. Yeah. Nick was about to go there.
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It's Nick Cage.
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Nick Cage talking about talking to Henry.
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It's like, I hear the Nazis got this thing comes right at the ground,
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goes right for it, blows the whole package right off.
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One second, you're John Wayne.
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The next your Minnie Mouse.
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That was pretty good.
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I enjoyed a few other lines than you.
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This isn't my favorite.
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I'm going to give you two because I like to do that.
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When they're at the tattoo shop and the tattoo artist was just like
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Bird of Freedom, don't come cheap.
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And Nicky just kind of looks at him.
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He's he's fucking hammered and he just goes, oh,
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it was the only like full Nicholas Cage
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experience that we got in this movie.
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But it was a pretty good one. Just just looking at.
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My actual favorite quote.
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They were at their school and their school was doing like a wartime drills
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like for training for the girls to go be nurses.
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And so nurses girls were like coming around and all the boys had like fake
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blood on them and little notes that said like shot multiple times or dead.
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And the nurses would take care of them.
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Well, this nurse comes up to Henry and Nicky and she's like trying to deal with them.
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And Nicky's just like trying to get fresh with this chick.
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And she's like, oh, I'll come back when you're more ready for this.
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And Nick Cage just goes, no, wait, please, nurse.
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I want to show you my wound.
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And that really got me. My other one.
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Do we want to do this to partner?
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OK, you want to I'll be Sean Penn.
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All right. Sean Penn does the whole thing about how it's like, you know,
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I hate what you always drink.
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I hate when you're drinking.
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And Nick Cage does an awkward hip thrust dance before he started drinking.
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I could not do that.
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Why would you want to do that?
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It gives me pleasure.
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Yeah. So he's just air humping.
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Yeah. But he does it wildly.
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Actually, both times, Nick Cage does any kind of dancing.
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And this is just terrific.
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Later, when he's in the bowling alley and he's mopping,
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just like singing a song and then he just busts out this just wild
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gyration of like a full body seizure.
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It's just so good.
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And then the bowling alley owner yells at him.
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It's like, yeah, it was like, what do I pay you for?
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Nick Cage, like I'm your best employee in bowling alley owners.
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Like, no, you're not.
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His only response is then I don't fucking know.
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No, it's good.
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I really I like Nicolas Cage in this whole movie.
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I do too. He's charming.
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I don't think there's a single scene where he's not drinking.
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No, he almost always has like a pint of whiskey on him.
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Yep. He's a fuck up.
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Like, yeah, he is. He's just drunk all the time.
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And we know within the film because he has a shiner
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when he's going to pick up his date early in the film.
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And he just offhand mentions that, you know, it's his old man.
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And his mom's out of the picture. She died.
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Yeah. And that's the other thing is after they have their blow up
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and Henry tells Nick Cage to fuck off, Henry's dad is a gravedigger,
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groundskeeper at the cemetery.
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And it turns out that after Nicky's mom died,
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they kind of took him in like the dad was a fuck up and an asshole.
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So they fed Nicky a lot in childhood.
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You know that Nicky is at his heart a good kid.
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And a lot of that has to do with his friendship with Henry
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and their family's like influence on him,
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which I thought was a nice little touch. Yeah.
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I do care to us. Yeah, that's nice.
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I do want to briefly touch on the end, which we do need to quickly discuss
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when Nicky tells Henry about needing the abortion.
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It's after they do a thing they used to do as kids, which is race a train
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and then grab onto one of the box cars and ride it for a while,
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then jump off on a hill.
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Apparently, this is a very dangerous thing, especially when you're drunk.
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Yeah. I mean, that makes sense.
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Yeah. I mean, trains are big, heavy things.
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They flatten shit. Yeah.
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So especially people. That's a thing that, you know, that's a thing,
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you know, from their childhood that they remember fondly.
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So caddy and Henry break up, they get together back at the end
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right before he ships out.
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He gives her the kiss.
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He says bye to mom and dad
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all while the train conductors like, you know, all aboard.
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And the train starts leaving.
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And we have this really nice heartfelt ending.
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And his parents are just like, you're missing your train.
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You're missing your train.
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And they just look at each other and like, ready, go.
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And they like have this fun little jaunt along the train.
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And grab on at the end.
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Yeah, that really undercut the heartfelt ending.
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It showed reconciliation between the two of them after their fight.
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I just thought it was a weird like add on.
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Well, it felt actually a little bit similar to the ending of Birdie,
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where it kind of ends on just a little bit of a bit on the joke.
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Right. I forgot about that.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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Totally like that. What?
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To me, it was like their characters, their stories had just come full circle
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and they were back to it.
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I just wanted to touch on Elizabeth McGovern's performance.
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I thought that was really good.
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She was great.
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Great, really clean performance.
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Yeah. And like I had an issue with that.
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I loved her introduction.
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She's just dancing in a field by herself.
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And all I thought to myself was that girl dances to her own beat.
21:19
You can't hear it, but she does.
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I mean, there were there were little things
21:23
she was doing with her face and her eyes that I thought were just like
21:25
really advanced acting.
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Yeah, it was a really nuanced performance. Yeah.
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And I mean, I don't really know a deep dive into the rest of her career.
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I know she's big on.
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Downton Abbey and like a few other things.
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Not a whole lot that I've really seen.
21:39
Yeah, it's just interesting.
21:40
Some of these these sort of like young, ingenue actresses,
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like what became of them, because obviously like Sean Penn, Nick Cage,
21:48
everybody else who's in this movie, like it's it's a surprising cast.
21:52
Yeah, I don't know.
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I know this movie financially didn't do well.
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It was maybe like a six and a half million budget with a six million bucks.
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Well, five of that went to Nick Cage, of course.
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Obviously, there's a few interesting just filmmaking things.
22:06
I found the shot with the train when they're on the tracks
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and the trains coming at them.
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That's a mirror and they're just reflecting a train on another set of tracks.
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Oh, so that way, you know, their leads weren't in any actual mortal danger.
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That's fair. That's good.
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So that's pretty cool, like old style filmmaking.
22:27
What did you think overall of his performance, though?
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I know, like a little overacty.
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I wasn't blown away by it, but he said he's just such a supporting character, too.
22:38
It was hard to really get anything out of him.
22:41
He was there to just drive parts of the story.
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And I mean, the scene where Sean Penn like pretty much tells him off, you know,
22:49
you could you can see the hurt in him.
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Yeah, it's also hard to like really gauge it for me because he is just playing
22:56
me like half in the bag most of the time.
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Yeah. So maybe good acting.
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Maybe. I don't know if I really had a big strong opinion on that.
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No, I didn't.
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Like, it wasn't hasn't been his best performance that we've seen so far.
23:08
Probably not. Not his worst.
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Yeah, I think what struck me is that while it was overacty,
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there were those moments like the weird response to the tattoo
23:18
that just were like, oh, there he is.
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Yeah, he pops out every once in a while.
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It's not flat. It's not a flat performance.
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It's not left behind.
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I think he did fine.
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I don't think it was a bad performance on his.
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No, it was early in his career.
23:33
It's no worse than his performance in Birdie, which was also
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fairly flat, just at different decibel levels.
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True. And I really liked Birdie. Yeah.
23:44
OK. Well, how about a little bit of 1994?
23:49
Romantic comedy.
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This is where I really shine, because these are these are the movies I love.
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This is your bread and butter.
23:56
Yep. So this movie is a true story or based on a true story.
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And it's the story of Charlie Lang and his wife, Muriel Lang.
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He's a New York cop played by Nick Cage.
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She's a hairdresser.
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They live in Queens played by Rosie Perez played by Rosie Perez.
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They live in Queens, have a shitty one bedroom apartment.
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She hates being in Queens.
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He loves being in Queens.
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He buys a lottery ticket at Herba Hest, ends up going to a diner,
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has enough for the bill, but not a tip, offers the waitress played by
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Bridget Fonda, either half of the winnings
24:39
or split the winnings of the lotto ticket or double the tip on the next day.
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She doesn't think he's going to show up.
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So she's like, whatever, cool.
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Overnight, Nicolas Cage and his wife, they win the lottery
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along with a shit ton of other people.
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So their 64 million goes down to four.
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He goes back, offers her her cut of it and she takes it.
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Rosie Perez, very upset about the situation.
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But Nicolas Cage kind of soothes her into it, being like, Oh, you know, tell everybody.
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Everybody will think you're Muriel Lang, the hairdresser with the heart of gold.
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And so she goes along with it.
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They kind of get sucked into some high society things as Muriel
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is really trying to push herself out of it.
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And it's like, this is 1994 and you only have two million dollars.
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You're going to blow it all real fast in New York City.
25:36
But they get through that.
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Nicolas Cage and Bridget Fonda, they use their money to like help people,
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like just enriching other people's lives.
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Rosie Perez really hates it, decides that she wants a divorce.
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They go through with said divorce and Muriel decides she wants all the money.
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Lawsuit ensues.
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Finalization of the film.
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She gets all the money and Nicolas Cage and Bridget Fonda
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go off and start their own life.
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People from around New York send in monetary contributions to them.
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They get away with six hundred thousand.
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Plenty.
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And that's the movie.
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It's a very sweet film.
26:20
I really I think the most surprising thing for me in this film is seeing
26:24
Nicolas Cage's romantic lead and having a romantic plot that I wasn't immediately like,
26:30
Oh, this is off putting because so far every time we've seen him interact with a lady in
26:35
these films, it's been groovy or just ghostwriter.
26:41
Yeah, it all comes across so sweet.
26:44
This movie is just sweet.
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It's very sweet.
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It's not necessarily something I look for and probably wouldn't have watched this if I
26:53
wasn't doing a podcast about Nicolas Cage, but it was an enjoyable watch.
26:58
I mean, I watched it all.
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Again, a lot of casting surprises.
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Touch of the tooch.
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Yeah, we got the tooch playing of Vannes, Bridget Fonda's husband, who she has been
27:10
trying to divorce, but didn't have money for strange husband Eddie.
27:14
OK, I got to I got to talk about that one for a second, because seeing shirtless tooch
27:18
balding, shirtless, ripped Stanley toochy being like a nagging asshole, I was like,
27:24
God, that's kind of hot.
27:26
When he stole the type, when he stole her macadamia nuts as she was leaving,
27:32
that was so good, and he just sits there eating them so proud of himself.
27:36
Her one thing as soon as she has two million dollars, the one thing she treats herself
27:39
to is a bottle of macadamia nuts.
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Yeah, which is nice.
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I mean, shows they're both, you know, more grounded people.
27:47
But we had the tooch.
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I personally loved seeing Wendell Pierce in there every time I see him,
27:53
and especially in like a cop's uniform.
27:56
I just wanted to say, shit,
27:59
because I love the wire.
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But we've also got Isaac Hayes playing the narrator Angel.
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That is such a weird part of this film.
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Yeah, it's it's kind of like that thread that ties it all together
28:13
and you don't even notice it until the end.
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Well, like so it starts off with Isaac Hayes narrating kind of what we're about to see
28:20
about these two people.
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And he just says, you know, and he's just he's talking to the camera.
28:25
It's breaking the third wall.
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And he just ends his little starting narration with My name's Angel.
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So like, OK, this is going to be some touched by an angel bullshit.
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That's what I expected as well.
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And he's like in the background.
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He didn't touch anybody, though.
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No, but he's in the background of almost every scene, every important scene.
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And the whole movie is being played out in the media, like the New York Post.
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Always their front page story is always about the cop and the waitress.
28:50
Right. And at the end of the film, when after the court proceedings,
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after they lose everything, he runs to a restaurant, finds her there.
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Or Nick Cage runs the restaurant, finds her there, and they decide that they're just going
29:03
to be happy together.
29:04
They don't need the money.
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Isaac Hayes, who's been very clean cut and very well dressed the whole film, shows up
29:11
as a homeless man, like knocking at the window when they're closed, looking for food and
29:16
they bring him in, they feed him as they're kind of having their own private moment.
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He's got a wrist mounted camera. Yeah, that's some Dick Tracy shit.
29:25
And it's just fucking weird. Snapping photos of them.
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And he's been writing these newspaper headlines the entire film.
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Yeah, they just got to give it up like, oh, he's a reporter for the Post.
29:37
And well, and then he runs out of the restaurant, he runs into a car and takes off the Jerry
29:42
Curl wig he's wearing.
29:43
Yeah. It just that was such like he could have just been an angel.
29:49
He's Angel Dupree is his name, and it wouldn't have changed the movie at all.
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And it would have actually been better without that weird third act twist.
29:58
Yeah, they kind of I don't know.
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It's what inspires New York to give them the money.
30:03
Yeah. Which.
30:04
OK, sweet. But just that was needlessly complicated and convoluted.
30:09
It was a really weak plot device until the very end when they needed it to pay off.
30:15
And that's what it was.
30:16
I did. It's hokey.
30:17
But I loved it. Yeah. Can we talk about how great a cop he is?
30:21
Like the first three minutes of this film are just talking about how Charlie is just
30:28
a good cop. He's a good cop.
30:29
He's a good cop. And he's a good guy.
30:31
What? And he's a good guy.
30:33
One of the first things he like, we see a scene of a blind man crossing the street
30:37
against the light in New York and cars are like screeching to halt.
30:41
And Charlie just runs in the street, hoists the blind guy over his shoulder and like
30:45
runs him to the other sidewalk. Yeah.
30:48
We see him delivering a baby on a city bus.
30:50
No, he ends every night between stickball with the boy with the neighborhood.
30:55
Hey, Zou with Hazel on this on the street while his, you know, Rosie Perez being the
31:01
worst 90s wife ever.
31:03
She was so perfectly annoying.
31:05
So one of her first lines in this film is her complaining to a customer while she's
31:09
doing her hair about how her husband has no drive.
31:12
He should at least be a detective, but no, he's got to wear that stupid uniform.
31:16
And she utters the words, if he was if he was on the take, he'd at least have initiative.
31:22
Yeah. And when they have their first argument in
31:25
the film, she's saying how she hates living in Queen in a one bedroom in Queens.
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And he's like, it's fine. They're just bickering.
31:31
And as he's leaving the bathroom after brushing his teeth, she just like yells out from the
31:37
shower, I'm a person who needs money.
31:39
Yeah, you can really tell what she's all about. The worst 90s wife ever.
31:44
And when they do make it, when they do win the money, they go on a millionaire's cruise.
31:48
He runs off the boat. Well, Bridget Fonda showed up.
31:52
Yeah, he was having trouble with her cab to like help her out.
31:55
And then the boat takes off without them.
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And they have a really nice date together.
31:59
And when the boat finally comes back in, he's working out and excusing his head for where
32:04
he was the whole night.
32:05
And she didn't even realize he was back.
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Yeah, she was indifferent towards his presence.
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Well, she was baiting the hook for the next rich guy she was going to marry.
32:15
I do appreciate the come up and she gets throughout the entire film because once they strike it
32:19
big, they go on a shopping spree and they do the very 90s movie thing of the woman coming
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out in nicer clothes and the guy having more boxes throughout.
32:28
Yeah. And when she comes out in her new fur coat
32:31
and says she's finally happy, there's a premonition that she's going to get married.
32:36
There's a protest for his murder protests going on.
32:39
And she immediately just gets paint thrown on her.
32:41
I do like that every time she buys something, she's got that line of like, oh, now I can
32:46
finally be happy.
32:47
Oh, now I'm comfortable.
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Now I now I have everything.
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And it's always like followed by one more shopping scene going from like Barney's and
32:57
Tiffany's and all those other.
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I don't know.
32:59
So what's the end for her?
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Her story is concluded like after the divorce, she gets with the rich guy from the cruise
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and the rich guy turns out to not be rich and just grifted her, took all of her money
33:16
and ran away.
33:17
Clears their bank accounts.
33:18
Random.
33:19
So then she gets a place in Brooklyn.
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She's living with her mom in Brooklyn and is a hairdresser.
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Not a hairdresser, a nail style.
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She only does nails now.
33:29
She's a piece of shit.
33:30
Yeah, she's real annoying.
33:32
She is playing a very specific type of abrasive.
33:36
Yes.
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As the film goes on, though, we do see.
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So at one point, Charlie semi retires from the force after he is shot in the line of
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duty.
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Stopping robbery at their favorite bodega.
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Yeah, Korean bodega, which they know is being robbed because when he goes in there, he asks
33:57
how Son is the owner of the shop and asks how his wife's doing, or where his wife is.
34:03
And Son says, oh, she's home with the flu and doesn't charge them for the coffee.
34:08
So when Nick Cage leaves the bodega, he just goes to his partner and is like, they're being
34:13
robbed.
34:13
Like what?
34:13
And like Son said, his wife has the flu and his partner goes, man, that bitch would work
34:20
if she's dying.
34:22
And then she.
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Yeah, she didn't charge him.
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So yeah, didn't charge me for the coffee.
34:29
It's like, oh, well, he is getting robbed then.
34:31
So Nick Cage goes in through the basement, comes up, takes out one of the criminals with
34:37
a can of beans from about five yards and then just he gets shot.
34:44
It's not fucked up and tackles another guy through the glass door.
34:50
I was saving that all day.
34:51
That was good.
34:52
Yeah, and I like that he tackles him through the door and he like gets up and his partner's
34:59
like, oh, blah, blah, blah.
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And then Nicholas Cage notices that he gets shot in the arm and he just like faints.
35:06
Yeah, he just straight down on the guy he tackled again.
35:10
And the next scene is him getting like, you know, a medal for valor and he donates ten
35:16
thousand dollars of their winnings to the Policeman's Widows Fund.
35:19
And you can just see Rosie Perez just fuming.
35:23
Yeah, that ten thousand dollars of their two million is gone.
35:25
Yeah, she is not a good person.
35:27
No, no.
35:29
And that I mean, that's something we could talk about, like the things that Nicholas
35:32
Cage or Charlie Lang spent this money on is like donations to the Widows Fund.
35:38
Charlie and Yvonne went down and like bought like train fare.
35:46
Just had several tokens for everyone.
35:48
And just started giving them out and like treating everybody.
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Which is what starts the divorce proceedings because when well, no, it's the next one.
35:56
When they go to the baseball park.
35:58
Yeah, they take all the kids from the neighborhood to bring all the kids there.
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Baseball at a Yankee Stadium, whatever it is.
36:05
But I fucking love that one because I mean, that was just cool and it was really cool
36:09
what they did.
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So like the kids were able to all play down on the diamond.
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Nick Cage and his partner were like doing the pitching and everything.
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And then they also set up this like photo op for the kids so they could jump on a trampling
36:25
and get a picture of them like, quote unquote, catching a ball as it was going over the wall.
36:31
So it was really nice.
36:33
It was fun.
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Yeah, I liked it.
36:35
Very sweet.
36:35
You can see the start of their relationship because at this point, because Charlie and
36:40
Muriel, not Muriel, Charlie and.
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Yvonne.
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Yvonne.
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No funny business.
36:46
They're just they clearly are attracted to each other, but neither one of them is actively
36:50
pursuing it while he is married.
36:52
It's not till he gets kicked out of the house that they.
36:56
Stoop.
36:57
So but you see the early parts of those relationship and this is what really sold me on Nick Cage
37:03
being a leading man because I'm like, I remember being in love at one point.
37:08
Yeah.
37:08
Now I'm just cold and dead inside.
37:12
And that's a great segue for one scene I do want to talk about.
37:15
Oh, let me hear it.
37:17
When Charlie comes home after being shot, like the next scene is Charlie coming home
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and his house is full of construction workers and his apartment is completely torn apart.
37:29
And I'm just and I'm just sitting there thinking about the time I walked into my home
37:33
and I no longer had a floor.
37:35
Yeah, I wasn't told about when I left the house that morning.
37:39
That's a hard one to come home to.
37:41
Yeah, no, it's never fun to come home to.
37:44
No.
37:44
So and then when he's like, where's my chair?
37:47
And Rosie Perez is like, I donated to Goodwill.
37:51
It's like, you could have told me.
37:53
And her response is like, you know, I thought we, you know, just gave stuff away without
37:57
telling each other.
37:58
Yeah.
37:59
It's like the one time she gets a proper dig in.
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It was a good day.
38:02
I hated seeing her in that hard hat, though, just walking around with that clipboard.
38:08
I wanted to like push her down in the dirt, not not hit her or anything.
38:13
She wasn't trying to kill him.
38:14
Although there are definitely times like, oh, when he tells her about the two million
38:19
dollars, like giving that away, just like, oh, these two are going to fucking beat each
38:25
other up like that is murder.
38:27
Like people are murdered for less.
38:29
I don't think Charlie Lang would have ever lifted a hand against anybody that wasn't
38:35
clearly breaking the law.
38:37
He did grab her at one point.
38:38
Sure.
38:38
That was her lawyer's reasoning for him being an abusive husband.
38:44
The whole the whole civil case against him and Yvonne is just that's probably the one
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part of the movie.
38:50
I'm like, this is the least interesting aspect of this and completely bullshit.
38:56
Charlie doesn't want any of the money.
38:57
He's like, you can keep the lotto winnings.
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You know, I don't want anything.
39:01
I don't want need money to be happy, but she wants the money he gave away.
39:05
And the whole court case is it was her lotto ticket.
39:08
Even though he bought it, the city of New York, you know, decided against them.
39:15
Yeah.
39:15
They had to give back all the money.
39:17
Which is pretty wild.
39:18
That jury sucked.
39:19
Yeah, seriously.
39:21
Who would have sided with her, honestly, with Rosie Perez?
39:25
Yeah.
39:25
Well, she has such a charming voice.
39:27
Yeah.
39:28
Well, you notice she was never on the stand.
39:30
Oh, wait, she was.
39:31
Yeah, because she talked about her dead dad's.
39:33
The dream she had, which I'm oh, God, Charlie had the worst lawyer.
39:37
I'm like, fucking no, there's no way to prove that.
39:39
That is completely inadmissible.
39:41
Like, yeah.
39:41
Testimony.
39:42
I don't know.
39:42
There were a lot of details in this movie that I really enjoyed.
39:45
Weird little things.
39:47
And none of them had any impact on it.
39:49
Like, I really loved Angel's tie, his lobster tie that he was wearing at the top of the
39:55
movie.
39:56
I loved when they were robbing.
39:58
Those guys were robbing the bodega.
40:00
And like, as they were about to run out the door, one guy's like, give me a carton of
40:06
Virginia Slims.
40:07
You're going to knock over a bodega and take the silliest looking, like, you know,
40:12
Well, and like, lady brand cigarettes.
40:14
When they're robbing, when they're robbing that, well, they're men of weak constitution.
40:18
When they're robbing the bodega and Charlie's coming in from the basement, he knocked,
40:22
he like walks into some bottles.
40:25
So the crime, the thieves upstairs like, what was that?
40:27
What's back there?
40:28
It's like nothing.
40:29
There's no entrance back there.
40:30
Just, you know, a basement.
40:31
It's like, what was that noise?
40:33
Like rats, really big rats.
40:35
And then Charlie's coming up the stairs and there's a conveyor belt going up the stairs.
40:40
There's just a giant fuck all rat just like chill in there, just waving at him.
40:44
Yeah.
40:44
And a New York rat.
40:45
Yeah.
40:46
So we briefly, you touched on this.
40:48
So this is based loosely on a true story.
40:51
Cop named Robert Cunningham was a regular diner for years.
40:57
Phyllis Penzo was a waitress there for years.
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And one day while he was having his lunch, he asked Phyllis for some lotto numbers.
41:04
She gave him three.
41:05
He came up with three more and he jokingly said, you know, if this wins, you know,
41:11
he'll tip her half the next day.
41:13
And the next day they won that night.
41:15
And the next day Robert and his wife came in and gave her half the money.
41:19
It's so loosely inspired by real events.
41:22
But I'm like, that's pretty cool.
41:25
From a Hollywood standpoint, this is a better movie than the real events.
41:29
Yeah.
41:30
And the fact that, you know, that could happen in the world is...
41:33
It could happen to you.
41:34
Hey.
41:35
Oh, nice.
41:36
I'm going to stop rambling.
41:38
That's a perfect spot to end that.
41:39
Do you have a quote for this film?
41:41
Yeah, I've got again, I've got a couple lines that I enjoyed.
41:44
Now, can I do mine since you have a couple?
41:46
Yes, you can.
41:46
I mean, this goes back to the bodega and when Charlie goes in there to order coffee,
41:51
the first thing he says to the owner's son is,
41:54
son, how are things in the mysterious East?
41:59
Like, oh, bad.
42:03
I'm not sure which one of these I like better, but in the beginning,
42:08
Charlie playing stickball with the kids and everything.
42:12
And Uriel shouts down to him like, I just ordered Chinese food.
42:15
Come inside. And he's like, I'll be in in a minute.
42:19
And then he gets some shit from Heizu, the kid who's just like, what are you whipped?
42:24
And Nicholas Cage just comes back with, no, I'm not whipped.
42:29
I've got adult responsibilities.
42:31
I do love Heizu.
42:32
It was a nice interaction.
42:34
Again, it's always Heizu.
42:35
I think Heizu and Charlie had the best kind of interactions for me.
42:41
Heizu asked him if he killed anybody today.
42:44
And Charlie just comes back with didn't even wound anybody.
42:48
I've been really slow.
42:52
And now we have two Nick Cage kids who don't suck.
42:55
That's true.
42:56
We got Heizu.
42:57
My rule is quickly a Heizu and handpan.
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Yeah.
43:01
Balancing the scales.
43:02
I do.
43:03
I really did enjoy their his relationship with just the neighborhood, the kids.
43:09
Yeah.
43:09
Just a genuinely sweet guy.
43:12
It really came across like this guy loves the neighborhood.
43:17
He loves living in Queens.
43:19
I mean, there's a lot of like, I guess, Burrow pride in people out in New York.
43:24
I don't know.
43:25
Unless you're Rosie Perez.
43:26
Well, she sucked.
43:31
Yeah, she sucked.
43:32
But yeah, I mean, what did you think of him overall in the role?
43:35
Leading man, romance, hokey, nice guy cop.
43:39
He was such a good just every man in this film.
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Like he's a cop and he's clearly in good shape, but they never really.
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We don't get any shirtless cage in this.
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No, just too cheesy.
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They also don't like, you know, they don't give him hair plugs.
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They're not trying to like hide the fact that he's got kind of a receding hairline.
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Why are you looking at the top of my head?
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I'm looking at your mouth for some reason.
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That's why I'm doing it.
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That's for you, Mayor.
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Yeah, no, he's good.
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He did a great job.
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I think he gave me a cop that I didn't hate.
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I didn't want to ask you about that.
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No, no, I will not say fuck this cop.
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This cop was all right.
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Fuck all cops, but Nick Cage in this one movie.
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The director on this hasn't directed much, but is a character actor.
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A lot of TV stuff.
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The one that stuck out to me was he was in an episode of Titus.
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Oh, yeah, I saw that.
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Yeah.
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And he ends up matching up with Cage again later with Honeymoon in Vegas.
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Yep, interesting.
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I think also interesting is kind of the director of photography,
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Caleb Deschanel, father of Zoe Deschanel and Emily Deschanel of Bones and New Girl.
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I was about to ask you that when I remembered you and I had this conversation.
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Yeah, so he worked together with Cage on this and then later in National Treasure.
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So we'll be coming back to the old Caleb Deschanel.
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I think the only other thing I wanted to say is that I had such a huge crush on Bridget Fonda
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when I was growing up.
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She's she's real cute.
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Well, just I was really torn with these movies as to which one I thought had the more
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endearing female lead.
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Right.
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Like they both crushed it.
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Well, they were both really good.
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I mean, I loved both of these characters, these characters and the way they were portrayed by
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these actresses, but just both of these got me in what remains of my feels with
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Sean Penn's first his first love, like that early young love.
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The first time you see some boobs, the first time you jump naked in a lake and then have sex by it.
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You've all done that.
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You mean the time we got to see Sean Penn's nutsack in a PG movie?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you see two nipples.
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It's just a little nutsack.
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Yeah.
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But just a little nutsack.
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It's still good.
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It's still good.
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No, it was a fine nutsack.
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It's not.
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But no, both these movies brought me back to different parts of my growth as a human
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being and just being reminded of like the sweet awkwardness of young love and how you
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do so much for your first quote unquote love for no other reason than it's new and exciting.
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And you've never felt these feelings before as in racing with the moon and kind of in
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it could happen to you because we find out that Rosie Perez was
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It was his high school girlfriend.
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High school girlfriend and the only person he'd ever been with until him and Yvonne
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touched butts later.
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I can say that I've never grown as a human, so I can't identify with your statement.
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But then, you know.
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I came out of the womb just like this.
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That's terrifying.
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I've also been a slightly older person who was fairly settled in my life and
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met someone new and also had that kind of new and exciting change.
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Like I related to Sean Penn and Nick Cage and both these movies in their weird romantic
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endeavors.
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Also, I do want to just say the one joke that really did get a good laugh out of me in
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It Could Happen to You when Yvonne's talking about her ex-husband Eddie who was an actor
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and was talking about if they ever had a son, they should name the kid Al Pacino.
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Al Pacino Biasi.
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Yeah.
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Weird.
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Tucci was so good in that role.
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I love finding the parallels, like the little things that both movies have.
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And it keeps coming up in our things.
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But sometimes this one's just even a little detail.
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Both movies featured the leading man in a roller skating scene and not knowing how to
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skate.
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Yeah.
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Nicholas Cage ends up skating into the lake at Central Park and Sean Penn just ends up
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getting like, I don't know, skate thrown.
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Cracked the whip.
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You look that up?
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No, I lived in a small town for a while and all we had was a roller rink.
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Nice.
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So yeah, they cracked that whip and he got launched right out the door.
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Yeah.
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But he handled it very well.
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I enjoyed that.
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Both got their penises touched because of this endearing act later.
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Oh yeah.
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Specifically because they're not good at skating.
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I remember that line.
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It's like, I'm only doing this because you can't handle roller skates.
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I'm just going to start trying out things I see in Nick Cage movies on future dates.
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Do it.
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I highly recommend it.
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Start with Ghost Rider.
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Light myself on fire?
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Yeah.
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And then wiggle your bony bones.
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OK.
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With that, I mean, I know what I think should go forward.
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I'm actually really curious what you guys think should advance because I had a hard time picking on this one, unlike fucking last week.
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OK, so I'm going to say I think it should be It Could Happen to You.
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Yeah.
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It's a Nick Cage film.
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Yeah, that's the thing that was really hanging me up on it, too.
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It's like I actually prefer Racing with the Moon.
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I just enjoyed it more.
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But it's a Sean Penn movie with a supporting Nicolas Cage.
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It Could Happen to You is a good movie.
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Yeah.
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I enjoyed watching it.
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But I mean, we're finding the best Nicolas Cage movie.
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And that's a Nicolas Cage movie.
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Yeah.
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Like, Nick Cage is really good in Racing with the Moon.
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I highly recommend anybody watching Racing with the Moon.
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Totally.
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Like I said, this is, I think, the first time we have a head to head of two really enjoyable films.
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Yeah.
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And we didn't really talk about it.
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But the heaviness of the subject of Racing with the Moon is so, I don't know, it felt like I was not prepared for it to be a movie.
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That the central conflict revolved around getting an abortion.
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We're already talking about two people are getting ready to go to war and the movie gets heavy.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, but also their personal lives and Nicolas Cage's specific cavalier attitude of going off to war has consequences and it's handled very well.
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Yeah.
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I think no matter what, I mean, we're going to push It Could Happen to You forward.
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But people should watch Racing with the Moon.
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Agreed.
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It's a good movie.
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And I think I could watch It Could Happen to You more often just because it is popcorn fluff a lot of the time.
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Yeah, it's super light.
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It's easy to watch.
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And it's so charming.
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It is.
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All right.
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So speaking of two very good banger movies to watch next time, we have World Trade Center and The Frozen Ground.
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That'll be our funniest comedy podcast yet.
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Definitely.
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I can't wait.
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I'm going to crush so many beers before this.
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Oh, boy.
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It's going to be a good one.
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Yeah.
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So you heard it here, folks.
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This is Cage Match.
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Yeah.
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Don't forget to drop some comments down there in the down below.
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We need more in the down below.
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Yeah, no, I could hear it.
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Don't gargle.
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How did it feel?
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Like that.
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I could feel like I need this in my life.
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Are we all going to do it?
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No, don't do it.
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I don't recommend it.
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Oh, yeah, you have a weak throat.
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No, I got in my nose when you made me laugh.
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Well, that's a trick.
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Never make me laugh.