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How to Turn Emotional Distance into Intimacy with Heather Shannon · Libido Lounge

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  Welcome to the libido lounge, where we focus on all things love, lust, and libido.
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  Hey, everybody.
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  Welcome back to another episode on the lounge.
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  I'm your host, doctor Diane, and I'm super excited about this whole summer.
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  Make sure you go take our libido quiz and make sure when you're done with this amazing episode
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  that I'm so excited about, I'm going to introduce you to sex therapist Heather Shannon.
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  And I am so excited about this this conversation, you guys.
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  I met Heather on a intimacy summit.
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  We co we were co speakers on that summit.
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  And I was very, very impressed with Heather's background around the the emotional component
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  around sexuality, how we compartmentalize emotions, how this is related to libido, and so
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  much more.
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  So we're gonna talk about some really cool topics.
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  That you share all those things.
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  And welcome.
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  I'm so happy about our conversation.
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  Thanks for being here, Heather.
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  Thank you, Diane.
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  I'm excited too.
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  I mean, it's just, it's cool that we do a lot of similar work but come at it from different
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  angles and different training backgrounds.
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  Yeah.
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  It's always the best.
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  Right?
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  It's always the best to have different spokes that lead to the same wheel and our wheel being
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  healthy, happy libido and relationships and all those things.
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  And the emotional just like, let's dive right in.
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  The emotional component I feel like is really hard so so many times.
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  And and it's really hard because I think so many times we're not thinking about small
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  little ways that safety or that little thing that our partner said to us in the morning that
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  we just brushed off or we snap back as a verb, stress.
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  Like, we're not always thinking about the impact of that on sexuality and our sex life.
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  So can you just kinda open with that topic and just kinda just generally set the frame for us
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  around that importance with libido and and these sorts of topics.
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  Yeah.
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  For sure.
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  So I think that, you know, sexual energy is life force energy.
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  And, you know, it's not an accident.
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  Then when we're kind of like dimming our emotions, such as in depression, one of the
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  symptoms is low libido.
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  And so when we try to compartmentalize or kind of downplay a certain emotion or just exile it,
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  I do internal family systems therapy.
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  So we talk about exiled parts where it's like this part, this emotion is not okay, and let's
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  just banish this one.
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  It, it creates like a dimming of, of our life force energy because our emotions are such a
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  huge part of that.
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  And that's not usually the intention, but it's like when we kinda shut down enough, it's gonna
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  affect our sex life.
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  And then we're like, what happened?
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  I mean, people are often confused and we don't put it together.
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  And it wasn't part of my sex therapy training, you know, it was more something like through
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  working with people, I was like, oh gosh, this is a pattern.
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  Like lots of people are doing this sort of avoiding of emotions and holding it in and not
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  communicating it and it's killing their sex life.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's a you know, I think about that and I think like both things that happen from truly,
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  like, a sex standpoint, meaning, like, oh, maybe a partner sends us a flirtatious tax and
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  anything back.
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  Right.
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  So there's, like, that thing around, like, coming on to me, and all of a sudden, I don't
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  reciprocate, and then that other person feels hurt.
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  So I think there's that aspect, and then there's, like, all the non sex related aspects.
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  Right?
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  So it's like, oh, wow.
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  You snapped at me and, like, I'm gonna just pretend like it's not a big deal and I'm gonna
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  it's not, you know, those kind of things.
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  So do you find then in this conversation, like, what are where do we start?
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  How do we start identifying, like, when we're dimming the emotions?
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  Where where is that
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  Yeah.
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  Reporting point?
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  It probably could be anywhere.
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  Yeah.
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  Just to give you a really clear answer.
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  You know, but I think what I see is, like, couples will come to me, and it's like there's
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  just been a pattern, I would say, of the emotional intimacy shutting down and just
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  living kinda separate lives under the same roof.
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  And so that can start really small, kind of like you said, your partner makes, what the
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  Gottman Relationship Institute would call a bid for attention, you know.
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  And there's a lot of research on this, like, bid for attention thing, and it could be tiny.
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  It could be like, oh my god.
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  Look at the bird out the window.
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  You know.
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  It could be, and your partner either ignores you, like the example you gave.
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  It's like someone's trying to flirt and someone's just like, I am uncomfortable or I'm
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  at work or you're always after me in this way and I don't you know?
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  Whatever it is.
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  And when you're not connecting in those small ways, that starts to erode the relationship as
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  a whole.
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  So it can start very small.
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  And I think also when when our partner doesn't respond, we might not feel as safe opening up.
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  Or if our partner was judgmental once in a way that really hurt us and we never addressed it
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  and resolved it and they don't get it, then we just shut it down.
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  Then it's like, well, okay.
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  I'm just not gonna talk to you about this because you're always judging me as a parent or
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  you're always judging me for, you know, not speaking up at work or whatever.
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  And so then it's like, okay.
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  We're just starting to eliminate topic after topic, and now we're just, like, functioning.
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  Yeah.
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  Now we're talking about how is the weather.
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  Right?
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  So now we're having a super superficial conversation.
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  And then also so when we're talking about this dimming concept, so I want to go a little bit
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  further because I think this is super important.
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  Are we also talking about almost dimming it in ourselves?
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  Meaning sample.
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  Okay.
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  So Yeah.
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  I wanna say what I mean just so I make sure the audience is tracking our thoughts here.
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  Tell me if this is what you're talking about too.
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  Mhmm.
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  So, like, for example, like, oh, I my talking about work and and my partner is not there for
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  me and they're telling me I'm not handling it correct and they're almost like gaslighting my
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  experience.
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  And then in this example, okay, I'm not going to talk about work.
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  I withdraw withdraw withdraw that can affect my libido.
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  But is there also that point where we begin is, like, some of the dimming, almost like that
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  self shaming around
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, I should never talk about this again.
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  Right?
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  So is there a secondary layer of emotion there?
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  Yeah.
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  It works it works both ways.
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  It's kind of your own internal experience of your emotions, and it's also your partners.
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  And it's kind of the same dynamic, just like one is internal and one is external.
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  So it could be your partner kind of shaming you or judging you or gaslighting you.
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  And it could be a part of yourself.
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  Yes.
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  We masculine ourselves.
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  Absolutely.
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  Where it's like, oh, I shouldn't feel this way or I shouldn't be so needy or I shouldn't, you
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  know, I maybe it's like I'm too old to be sexual or I'm past childbearing years or, you
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  know, I had a hysterectomy and I feel like less of a woman now or, whatever the messaging is.
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  And sometimes we don't even know, like, it's I'm pretty unconscious until we, like, go in
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  there and start poking around a little bit.
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  Yeah.
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  I think that's really that that knowing.
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  And that's it's such a huge thing.
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  I think that's why it's important we have these conversations because I imagine there's a lot
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  of moments happening for people because it is so these things, I think they start so small
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  and they can eat away and it's like, well, it's not that big.
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  You know, we gaslight ourselves being like, alright, it's not that big of a deal that we're
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  not on the same page with this.
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  I'm just not going to pick this up, which if that was in isolation and it was the one and
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  only thing, then probably not a huge deal.
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  Right?
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  That just leads to that compounding of so many things and it just be almost starts becoming
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  this new habit.
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  Right.
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  So what I hear and what you're saying is like, okay, the first step then is becoming aware of
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  the internal dialogue and the inter relational dialogue, correct?
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  Yes.
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  Absolutely.
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  Okay.
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  And so from there, like where do people even go from there?
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  Like how do we begin to say, okay, we're gonna break this habit and get back our connection,
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  get back our libido, get back our confidence, all of those things.
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  Where do we go from there?
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  I think usually starting with yourself is the right place to start.
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  Yeah.
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  But I mean, that also can happen if you have a partner who's like, hey, I wanna address this
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  dynamic too.
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  I'm willing to kinda look within myself also and see how I'm contributing to this.
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  Awesome.
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  You know, those can be things that are happening at the same time.
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  But if you have a partner that's just, you know, hey.
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  This is a you issue or, you know, I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong.
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  You can still look at this on your end.
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  And so part of it, I'll explain internal family systems a little bit because, that is a big
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  piece of it.
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  So we have our self energy, which is the essence of who we are, and it's unaffected by
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  trauma.
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  And it's like this infinite spacious energy, and it's amazing, and it feels great.
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  And and then we have our parts, and our parts are, like, our defense mechanisms or our
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  protective mechanisms.
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  And so they mean well.
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  They're only trying to, like, look out for our best interest, but it could be kinda wreaking
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  havoc.
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  So we have some proactive ones that might be like, I'm gonna make a therapy appointment.
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  Right?
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  Or I'm gonna go see doctor Diane or, you know, that are like, let's do proactive healthy
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  things.
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  And then we also have firefighter parts that are more reactive, and they're like, I need
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  another glass of wine, you know, or like, I'm gonna avoid compartmentalize or I'm gonna bury
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  my head in the sand on this one.
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  And both the manager parts that are proactive and the firefighter parts that are reactive are
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  trying to protect the axiled parts.
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  And the axiled parts are the same for all humans, which is really fascinating.
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  So they are parts that feel like a failure, that feel not good enough, that feel shame,
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  that feel unlovable, that feel, like, vulnerable to the point of feeling unsafe.
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  And so there's really only, like, a handful of them.
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  And so even though they're exiled, it's almost like they're invert like, indirectly
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  controlling everything because all the protector parts are kind of directing their
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  energy towards, like, keeping these intolerable feelings at bay.
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  Right?
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  But it's like the more we exile these parts, the more we're kinda dimming our life force
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  energy and not accepting all the parts of us.
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  So through bringing in the self energy, which I think of is almost like the sun.
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  So if you're new to this, you can just think of it as, like, this is like the rays of the sun,
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  and it's, like, radiating out, good healing energy.
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  And so when the parts can feel that, when they can kinda, like, bask in the rays of the of the
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  self energy, then they can start healing, and then they might trust the self energy enough to
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  be like, okay.
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  Self energy, you can talk to an exile now.
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  I will allow it.
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  And then then we are able to start uncompartmentalizing and, like, creating safety
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  within your own system and, like, letting your whole life force energy, like, be present and
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  shine.
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  So that's that's kind of the goal.
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  Yeah.
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  I love it.
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  And and when I you're talking, it reminds me of the some of the things I talk to people about,
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  which is, like, a both and approach versus a or.
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  Right?
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  Because I think sometimes we think like, okay.
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  Well, I either have to live in the fact that I feel like a failure.
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  I feel like I'm not good enough.
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  I feel like an imposter, or I live in, like, more like the fun energy of, like, oh, I'm
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  successful.
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  I have a great, you know, great relationship.
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  Everything is and what I hear in that one of you're talking about almost, like, bringing
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  them all together.
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  It's like it's Yeah.
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  All of that both and, right, where we can go into those exile parts and be like, I could
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  feel this, and I can actually feel something that's completely a little bit opposite at the
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  same time.
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  Right?
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  Yes.
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  That's absolutely it.
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  And we also have a term for that in IFS called polarized parts.
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  So if you have two parts that are trying to help in totally different ways Yes.
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  We can even feel both of those and we can support both of those.
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  Yes.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  I think, you know, that's I I sometimes joke around and I don't know if the joke's the right
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  word, but I sometimes use say, like, you know, there's parts of us that maybe we're all a
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  little schizophrenic on some way because we have these different voices and these voices
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  sometimes have, like, one part might feel sad about something and happy about something else
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  at the same time.
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  And and Yeah.
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  You know, it's there's an element of that where I think there is just this human conditioning
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  of it's so easy to think that we're the only ones feeling this.
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  And it's like, well, like you said, the exile parts and it has the exile parts.
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  So Right?
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  I love that.
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  I love that.
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  And then, also, so in context then of our our topic here of libido and of sexuality, another
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  thing that I'm curious about because, like, in I I know you you said something so perfect at
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  the beginning of this, which is, like, we have different angles of the same ways of or
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  approaching, approaching the same things.
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  Right?
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  So one of the things I talk to people about when they were gonna tell their partner or have
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  a conversation with their partner about how hard things, I talk about, like, the how, the
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  when, the where things being, like, kind of the fundamental components of how we approach that
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  partner.
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  Right?
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  So how would you say are there is there like a system?
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  I know obviously people can come and learn from, you know, from you and that's kind of
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  your work as a sex therapist.
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  But is there, like, a generalized system where I'm like, okay.
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  Like, I need to tell my partner that we have to have this conversation.
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  I have to be able to hear about my day without triggering them.
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  Yada yada.
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  How do I have this conversation?
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  What's what's the framework?
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  Yeah.
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  I do have several suggestions.
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  The first one is internal.
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  So, what I find so interesting is, like, the buildup in our head is probably, like, our
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  worst enemy with having these conversations because my clients will be like, well, I just,
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  you know, I wish I could tell him that, you know, my needs aren't being met or just the way
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  he initiates.
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  If you could just do this or that, but, like, I don't know how to say it.
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  I'm like, you just but, like, the way you just said it to me was perfect.
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  So I think that there's a different framework.
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  It's like they feel safe saying it to me.
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  They feel relaxed saying it to me.
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  There's not sort of so much at stake.
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  And so I think when they're able to kind of, like, lower the stakes mentally and kind of be
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  like, this could this could be a short conversation.
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  This doesn't have to be like a whole big thing.
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  Because when you bring the energy of like, oh, I have to talk to you about something, but,
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  like, I don't know.
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  You might get mad at me.
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  You know?
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  It's like, that's not that's not really how we wanna start.
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  So, yes, find a good time, you know?
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  Like, don't do it when your partner's, like, in the middle of another task or just had, like,
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  the worst day of their life.
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  But also, I see there being more of an issue when people are, like, waiting for the perfect
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  time.
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  So I would kind of just be like, make sure it's not a terrible time, but otherwise, just go for
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  it.
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  You know?
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  Yeah.
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  And then I also encourage people to do a couple of things.
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  So, create, like, a safe container.
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  So if this is a new type of conversation, just to kind of be like, you know, hey.
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  I'm gonna share a sexual fantasy with you, or, I wanna talk about, like, how can we initiate
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  in a way that's, like, super sexy.
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  So you can say, can we create a judgment free zone?
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  Or, like, even if you're not into something I say, can you just agree not to, like, tell me
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  I'm a weirdo or something?
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  So say what you need, like, create the safe container with each other, like, get on the
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  same page and agree to that, and then I think starting by saying your positive intention.
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  So this is something that the Gottman Institute calls the softened startup, and the research
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  says that it eliminates 90% of escalating fights.
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  Like, if you learn one thing, learn the one that's gonna eliminate 90% of fights, you know?
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  And so so this is what I emphasize a lot with my clients, and it's it's real basic.
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  It's like, don't come in hot.
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  Right?
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  Like, don't come in being like, you know, you never touched me the way I want you to, and,
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  you know, I just wish that you would, like, listen once in a while.
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  You know, no.
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  That's not how we're starting.
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  But if it's like, yeah.
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  I want us to feel like we can talk openly about things because I think that's gonna help create
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  some intimacy, You know?
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  Or I love that you are such a great listener, or, once we're into sex, I feel so great and
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  have such a great time.
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  And I would like to be able to, like, get in the mood more and talk about, like, how do we
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  do, like, mental foreplay.
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  So it's it's kind of like bringing in a compliment, stating a positive intention, you
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  know, letting the person know, like, hey.
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  This is coming from a positive place, but and it is.
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  Right?
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  So even though there might be an angry protector part or there might be a, scared
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  protector part, You know?
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  That's where kinda doing some of that self work first helps.
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  So it's like, let's manage our own emotions first and then be able to come in with more of
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  our self energy, more of that confidence and, connectedness.
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  Yeah.
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  The manager self energy, I hear so much because I think that's such a big thing.
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  Right?
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  It's like if we're coming in hot and, like, we might feel hot.
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  So, basically, it's what I hear in that advice is, like, take care of yourself first.
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  If you're feeling, like, so emotionally charged, see what you
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  can do to burn through that emotion to keep Yeah.
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  Exactly.
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  So you can come in, you know, with still the same intention, but actually have it well
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  received.
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  Yeah.
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  Exactly.
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  Because I mean, the energy I'm big on and I'm guessing you probably are too.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, it's like the energy can be felt even if you're kinda, like, saying the right words,
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  quote, unquote.
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  It's like if you're feeling uncomfortable, that is gonna come through.
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  And I would also say, like, remember this person really likes you.
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  So, like, you were the person they picked to, you know, be with.
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  So
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  Yeah.
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  I think that's a really important reminder.
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  What other things as far as any other, say, patterns, like are there other patterns that
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  you see show up a lot from an emotional standpoint when people are experiencing any
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  sort of low libido or other sexual dysfunction?
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  Yeah, so some of this is what I talk about in my intimacy audit, which I will share with your
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  audience, is what are some of the common patterns.
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  A lot of times people come to me and they think it's just like, Oh, look, libido, libido,
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  libido.
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  And yes, sometimes it is libido.
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  Yes.
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  A
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  lot of times, which is it also it's own complex thing.
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  And sometimes it's self censorship, you know?
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  Sometimes it's like the sexual thoughts are there, but they're just, like, not exiting your
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  mouth.
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  They're not they're not coming out.
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  They're staying in there.
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  And then sometimes it's like, okay, the sexual thoughts are there, and maybe they're even
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  coming out, but you're just kinda getting your wires crossed, you know?
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  Like like, I've had clients that kinda come in and they say, well, I'm attracted to my spouse,
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  and they say they're attracted to me.
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  We're, like, not really having sex.
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  I was like, oh, that's so interesting.
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  People are just so fascinated.
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  Yeah.
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  I really love humans.
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  And so I was like, okay.
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  What is the disconnect?
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  You know?
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  And and it could be anything from, you know, religious upbringing or conservative
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  upbringing, where it's like, oh, I'm not supposed to do that, to, you know, the
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  patriarchy and gender conditioning where it's like, I'm the woman.
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  You know?
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  A guy is supposed to come to me.
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  Or it could be like, maybe you're into other women and you're like, I don't know how to
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  approach because I've been conditioned that a guy is supposed to come to me and there's no
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  guy here, and I don't have to overcome that guy.
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  So, you know, there's I think all of us have some things that we probably need to, like,
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  overcome, when it comes to creating the sex life that we really want, but it's doable, you
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  know?
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  And that's that's where having a coach, having a therapist, having a good friend you could
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  talk to, having a support group, you know?
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  It's like find somewhere where you can get rid of any kind of shame or stigma or beliefs that
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  are no longer serving you because those things do tend to exist in the shadows.
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  Right?
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  And when we shine some light on it and we realize we can be accepted just as we are, and
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  when we can do some of that internal family systems, you know, shadow work and unexiling
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  the exiles, like, that's how we get to a place of feeling really confident and whole in our
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  sex lives.
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  I'm gonna take us a different direction because you're making me think of something that came
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  up in a conversation with a friend recently, which is Mhmm.
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  It comes up here and there around, like, just, like, sex education because I feel like when
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  you're talking about shadow.
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  Right?
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  It's like, to me, it's like so much of shadow.
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  First, we get an adult, but so much of that comes in childhood.
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  And it's like the things that are said to us and the way certain things are defined.
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  And in childhood, like, sex education was basically purely about procreation.
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  And that was all that was really taught.
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  And there's so much stigma and there is still so much stigma too.
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  I think still these days, I think a little bit more historically, but still these days around
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  a woman being promiscuous has a different sort of social connotation than men being
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  promiscuous.
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  And it's like, we are not supposed to explore in the same way.
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  So there's all these ways that we are just taught that are encoded into us as that shadow.
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  So what do you think the solution is?
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  Like, what do you think?
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  Like, do you think we should be talking more in, like, you know, grade school, high school,
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  like around?
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  Hey, please.
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  Right.
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  Do I think that's gonna happen anytime soon?
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  So I hope eventually we will get there.
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  I mean, I partially think it's people like you and me doing it more, like, privately in our
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  own businesses and, like, putting content out there on Instagram and YouTube.
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  And, you know, it's better than, people just, like, trying to learn from porn or their
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  friends, you know?
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  Right.
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  But but it is.
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  It's it's a tough political landscape.
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  And, you know, when I'm talking about these shadow parts, like, a lot a lot of this does
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  come from the culture.
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  So it's like a cultural exile.
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  So it's like we have our own internal system, but there's also parts of the culture and
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  exiled aspects culturally.
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  So I think that's important to realize too.
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  It's like, if you're dealing with some of this, you didn't go create this in a vacuum.
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  Like, it's not like, oh, you're only to blame.
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  It's like you grew up in a context where my sex education was like, be afraid.
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  Be very afraid.
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  You will get pregnant, and you will ruin your life, and you'll be slut shamed, and, you know,
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  you're gonna get diseases, and you're gonna get HIV, and you're gonna die.
• 22:53
  And then it's just like, there was no, like, oh, here's all the health benefits of sex, or
• 22:57
  here's all the health benefits of orgasm.
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  Here's even what an orgasm is.
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  Here's what a clitoris is.
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  This is part of your body.
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  You should probably know about it.
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  Yes.
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  None of that.
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  Right?
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  Yes.
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  And so it's like that's the stuff where, like, people need to podcast honestly are the best
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  place to be because it's the only place we're not censored.
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  So people like you and me can share on our podcast about, like, actually what is helpful
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  to talk about.
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  Yeah.
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  Whereas, like, I can't say this stuff on Instagram.
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  You know?
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  So I I think podcasts are the place to be in books, and get on people's email list, you
• 23:29
  know, because they can't really say what they wanna say in social media.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I think that's a perfect wrap up and lead it.
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  And I know you and
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  I could talk all day.
• 23:38
  So, so everybody make sure to, you know, to download and support Heather's podcast so we
• 23:43
  can have her be the winner and have her back.
• 23:46
  I wanna make sure that we have a moment to tell people how to get a hold of you and Yeah.
• 23:51
  About your intimacy audits and Yeah.
• 23:54
  You just tell us about all those things?
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  Yeah.
• 23:56
  Absolutely.
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  So, you can check out my intimacy audit.
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  It is all about helping you figure out what patterns apply to you.
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  So when it comes to your sex life, if you're like, hey.
• 24:07
  We're not having sex.
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  I don't know what's going on.
• 24:09
  I don't know how to fix it, which, by the way, I've been there before I was a sex therapist,
• 24:14
  and I wish I knew what I know now.
• 24:17
  You know, it's gonna help you figure that out.
• 24:19
  So we have a checklist that will kinda help you pinpoint.
• 24:21
  Is it libido?
• 24:22
  Is it problems initiating and cross wires?
• 24:25
  Is it self censorship?
• 24:26
  And there's some emails that'll walk you through it so that, you know, you'll know
• 24:30
  what's going on, and then we'll start offering some solutions in the emails as well.
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  So we're not just gonna help you identify only the problem.
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  So that's a great place to start.
• 24:38
  If you go to my website, you can grab that.
• 24:41
  It's heathershannon.co, heathershannon.co, and there's a pop up on the home page.
• 24:47
  So it'll just pop up after a few seconds, sign up, and it'll get into your email inbox.
• 24:52
  So yeah.
• 24:52
  Amazing.
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  Enjoy it.
• 24:53
  Everything you guys in those show notes are on this podcast page.
• 24:57
  We'll have everything there as far as links of how to get a hold of Heather, about how to join
• 25:01
  the intimacy audit program, get the checklist, all these amazing things.
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  Yeah.
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  So thank you.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you so much for being with me today.
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  I really appreciate you.
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  Thank you, Diana.
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  I appreciate you too.
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  This was fun.
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  And, everybody, we're signing off here.
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  Another episode of the lounge.
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  It's been so great to spend time with you all as always, and this is just your friendly
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  reminder to always stay classy, always stay sexy, and always be a little badassy.
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  See you next time.
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  Thank you for listening to the Libido Lounge.
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