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Food guilt ❌ Binge Eating, Purging & Body Dysmorphia · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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  Speaker 1: Apoda production.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Grow and Glow Podcast. I'm Ashy, I'm kiara.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, guys, welcome back to Grow and Today we are
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  Speaker 3: here with Steph.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, she's back. We are so excited.
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  Speaker 3: We are going to be talking all about binge eating, purging,
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  Speaker 3: body dysmorphia, eating.
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  Speaker 4: Disorders, eating disorders.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Steph is the queen all these conversations.
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  Speaker 4: And just making it not so scary to talk about
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  Speaker 4: because it's an important conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so excited for this one because it is
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  Speaker 1: such a big topic that doesn't get spoken about enough.
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  Speaker 1: So hit me with all the questions. I'm ready.
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  Speaker 3: Why do you think it doesn't get spoken about that much?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's very normalized. It's normalized to be
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  Speaker 1: constantly focused on your body, on losing weight, on wanting
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  Speaker 1: to be smaller, on how you look, and we normalize
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  Speaker 1: it and we celebrate it. When someone loses weight, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, you're so amazing, and someone gains weight, you
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  Speaker 1: comment on it. So it's one of those things. And
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  Speaker 1: with social media on the rise, comparison is high body image.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's the main reason that we
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  Speaker 1: don't really address it.
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  Speaker 4: So important to it and I'm so passionate about this.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like over the last fifteen years, I have
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  Speaker 4: evolved so much with how I teach and how I
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  Speaker 4: eat and how I train. And when I first started,
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  Speaker 4: I was like nineteen, so yes, I wanted to look
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  Speaker 4: to the leanest. I wanted to be in a bikini
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  Speaker 4: and that's what my whole brand was, Ashbyinn's Bikini Body Challenge.
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  Speaker 4: And then after I had my first son, which was
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  Speaker 4: nearly nine years ago, now it was like, it actually
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  Speaker 4: does not matter to me anymore what I look like.
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  Speaker 4: I have so much more appreciation for my body and
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  Speaker 4: what it's done and what it does me every single day,
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  Speaker 4: and eating and exercising was more for my mental health
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  Speaker 4: and so I can show up and be the best
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  Speaker 4: mum I can be the importance of having a healthy
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  Speaker 4: relationship with food, exercise, and your body, and that has
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  Speaker 4: been my mission ever since. So like, thank you Taj.
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  Speaker 4: That put me on a whole new path of how
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  Speaker 4: I show up online and how I live and how
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  Speaker 4: I teach other women to And that's what I really
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  Speaker 4: want this conversation to be about, is how do we
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  Speaker 4: help women build a healthier relationship with food so that
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  Speaker 4: they're not binge eating, they don't have body dysmorphia, and
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  Speaker 4: they can actually love who they are inside out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I've loved the evolution of your content
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  Speaker 1: around balance, doing what feels good. And I have heard
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  Speaker 1: after having children. I don't have children myself, but your
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  Speaker 1: focus and appreciation of your body does change, really does.
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  Speaker 4: It's so beautiful, Like how awesome are kids? Like that's
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  Speaker 4: such a gift they give us. So how do you
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  Speaker 4: think we can help women listening right now that are
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  Speaker 4: really struggling with their relationship with food, their relationship with exercise.
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  Speaker 4: They just eat chicken and rice because they think that's
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  Speaker 4: what they need to eat or they're scared to eat
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  Speaker 4: other foods because they're going to gave weight. Like there's
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  Speaker 4: so much fear around food. What is something you could
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  Speaker 4: say to the women listening, They're like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: that's me.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important to sort of identify what are
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  Speaker 1: the signs of disordered eating and an eating disorder as well.
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  Speaker 1: You've named a couple, you know, this preoccupation with eating
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  Speaker 1: clean all the time, feeling guilty when you eat certain foods,
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  Speaker 1: eating past the point a feeling full, compensating so purging,
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  Speaker 1: excessive exercise, laxative use after eating. All of these really
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  Speaker 1: interfere with your day to day functioning. And that's when
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  Speaker 1: is an eating disorder versus disordered eating. But as we
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  Speaker 1: said in the last episode, one in four women who
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  Speaker 1: diet will ever go on a diet will go on
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  Speaker 1: to develop an eating disorder disordered eating, and seventy five
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  Speaker 1: percent won't seek help.
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  Speaker 4: Wow that's a high start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because people think I need to lose weight, that's
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  Speaker 1: the solution to this. And this is mainly for eating
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  Speaker 1: disorders such as bolimia, anorexia, and binge eating disorder. There
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  Speaker 1: are other feeding and eating disorders not associated with body, weight, shape,
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  Speaker 1: and size. But if this is you and your listening,
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  Speaker 1: I really just encourage you to reflect on how you
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  Speaker 1: got here, How did you get here? What's made you
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  Speaker 1: preoccupied with this?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 1: And what are you hoping to achieve? Do you think
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  Speaker 1: when I lose weight, when I'm at xyz Kilo's, that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be happy? And if so, why what
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  Speaker 1: is it that you want to achieve that you can't
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  Speaker 1: achieve now as the person you are now.
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  Speaker 4: I genuinely think that's what women think when I lose weight,
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  Speaker 4: when I'm a size eight, when I can wear those
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  Speaker 4: clothes I see that model wearing, I will be happy. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: that's honestly, I think that's such a strong belief. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem with that is you're putting all your
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  Speaker 1: eggs in one basket. You're putting your happiness, your joy,
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  Speaker 1: your energy into your body, image, shape, and size. And
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  Speaker 1: then again that gets reinforced by society and you don't
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  Speaker 1: know who you are outside of it. It becomes your identity.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're doing that from a place of punishment
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  Speaker 1: and hatred, like I hate my body, we want to
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  Speaker 1: be skinny, you're constantly going to be in a state
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  Speaker 1: of fatal flight and stress. Binge eating gets increased when
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  Speaker 1: you're dieting, so it doesn't work. You have to come
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  Speaker 1: from a place of love and acceptance and engage in
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  Speaker 1: health related behaviors for your mental health. For other reasons.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard a quote the other day that's relative
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  Speaker 4: to this, and that said, it's not a dream body
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  Speaker 4: if it's a nightmare to maintain.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my.
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  Speaker 4: Goodness, that's so true.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 4: And honestly, like I've been down those paths before. And
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  Speaker 4: even if you lose the weight and you get there,
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  Speaker 4: like you might have a moment of happiness and like
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  Speaker 4: feeling proud or like fit into those jeans, but I
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  Speaker 4: promise you it is not going to bring you happiness.
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  Speaker 4: That is such an inside job.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, and it's not gonna last. No, people who lose
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  Speaker 1: weight will put it on plus interest within a five
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  Speaker 1: year period.
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  Speaker 4: Yeh.
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  Speaker 1: Dting does not work.
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  Speaker 4: No. I remember when I was a teen. I was
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  Speaker 4: around fourteen, and my stepfather used to make me everything
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  Speaker 4: in my plate and if I didn't, I would get smacked,
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  Speaker 4: sent to my room, punished. And I hated mushrooms and
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  Speaker 4: he just had this power trip so he would pile
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  Speaker 4: my plate up with mushrooms, and I was not allowed
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  Speaker 4: to leave the table until I ate it. So I'd
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  Speaker 4: eat them, swallow them, and then go on the shower
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  Speaker 4: and spew up. Yeah, because I was like, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: gonna let him win, Like I don't want this my body.
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  Speaker 4: But then I started to feel really good after I
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  Speaker 4: threw up. I felt lighter, and I was going through
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  Speaker 4: those teen years where I wanted to be skinny. I
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  Speaker 4: was a dancer, Like you know, your body starts to change,
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  Speaker 4: and it wasn't until I got kicked out at home
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  Speaker 4: and lived with my boyfriend's parents. At the time, it
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  Speaker 4: was like an overnight. I stopped it because I felt
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  Speaker 4: safe around food. There was no pressure to eat food.
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  Speaker 4: But while I was in that environment where I was
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  Speaker 4: forced to eat, it became like everything I ate, he
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  Speaker 4: threw up, and I was so tired all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I could not keep up with my dance routine. Like
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  Speaker 4: I definitely would have said I was depressed in those
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  Speaker 4: two years. But when I moved out, there's no pressure
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  Speaker 4: around food. I stopped straight away.
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  Speaker 1: Your environment change, and isn't it so important? So important?
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  Speaker 1: I love that you brought that up because bolimia is
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  Speaker 1: often the hidden, not spoken thing.
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  Speaker 4: There's so much shaking around it.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much shame. And that's what I'm really passionate
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  Speaker 1: about talking about purging because binge eatings everywhere. Everyone talks
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  Speaker 1: about binge eating. It's very you know, it's more acceptable
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  Speaker 1: to talk about your laugh about it, like a binge
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  Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, it was purging. It's so shameful, it's disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: It's these are the types of so right words that
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  Speaker 1: we use. You know, you're wasting food, you're wasting money.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much game around it. But it's really really common.
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  Speaker 1: Even though binge eating disorder is the most common one,
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  Speaker 1: bolima is just under that. But I think it's because
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  Speaker 1: people don't report it.
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  Speaker 4: No, I used to be so embarrassed talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas you see tiktoks of like come with me on
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  Speaker 4: a day of binge eating, like I hate this night,
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  Speaker 4: this and it's like this normal TikTok. It's like that
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  Speaker 4: that's not healthy, that's not normal. But you don't feel like,
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  Speaker 4: oh watch me while I purge all of my food.
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  Speaker 4: It's so much more shameful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And there's a lot of judgment and stigma
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  Speaker 1: around it. And I think you highlighted a lot of
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  Speaker 1: risk factors like being around food and family members or
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  Speaker 1: parents who like, finish the food on your play, and
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  Speaker 1: this is where it starts.
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  Speaker 4: It's an Africa starving exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Children are intuitive eaters.
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  Speaker 4: Aren't they, but the best of it.
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  Speaker 1: They know how to stop. But parents suppress those instincts
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  Speaker 1: by saying, finish everything on your play and then you
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  Speaker 1: can go play, or they don't cry, have a lollipop.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember we go to the dentist. Yeah, pop.
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  Speaker 1: It's reinforced as a reward at such a young age,
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  Speaker 1: or it's used to stop emotion, control emotion, Finish everything
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  Speaker 1: on your plate, you learn how to start.
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  Speaker 4: Don't get dirt until you eat all of that. So
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  Speaker 4: they'll eat, so they're so for just so they can
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  Speaker 4: get the ice cream exactly, which I have been guilty
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  Speaker 4: of doing definitely my kids, because I want them to
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  Speaker 4: have nutrients. But now we're talking about it, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: it's not good.
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  Speaker 3: What are the effects that somebody who lives with purging, Like,
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  Speaker 3: what are the actual effects of your body when you
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  Speaker 3: put your body through that eat shade?
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked this question. So purging is
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  Speaker 1: from bolimia, and this is where people eat a large
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  Speaker 1: amount of food in a short period of time with
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  Speaker 1: a feeling of loss of control. That's like the definition
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  Speaker 1: of a binge. Now it's okay to binge from time
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  Speaker 1: to time. It's totally fine to overeat on Christmas or Easter.
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  Speaker 4: Before your period, before you period, on.
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  Speaker 1: Your period, but it's the level of distress. It causes
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  Speaker 1: the feeling of being out of control and the shame
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  Speaker 1: and the guilt that comes with it. People might eat
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  Speaker 1: in secret. So you've got binge eating that's been geating disorder,
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  Speaker 1: and you have to have been binging at least once
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  Speaker 1: a week for a significant period of time to get
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  Speaker 1: the disorder. And it effects your life. So if you bingejeap,
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  Speaker 1: but then you compensate so vomiting, laxative use, exercise, fasting,
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  Speaker 1: that's bolimia. There are so many effects of it. So
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  Speaker 1: you've got the physical effects, you know, damaged enamel on
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  Speaker 1: your teeth because you know you're purging the acid, you
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  Speaker 1: can get esophagus tear damage in there, your digestive system, bloating,
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  Speaker 1: and this is the thing so many people with eating
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  Speaker 1: disorders get bloating and they attribute that to being fat. Facts,
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  Speaker 1: I've bloating, So then they feel bad they and the
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  Speaker 1: purg the purging is causing that and all distress which
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  Speaker 1: reinforces it. Yeah, and when they're compensated, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: it can bring feelings of euphoria or relief, especially when
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  Speaker 1: with ADHD, it can provide that that dopamine response and
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  Speaker 1: a good But apart from the physical damages, there's financial.
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  Speaker 1: I've had people who spend seven hundred dollars a week
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  Speaker 1: on uber eats. This is more of a binge eating disorder,
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  Speaker 1: not bulimia. But eating disorders are expensive.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: The lengths people go to to replace food that they
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  Speaker 1: take in the family home because they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be found out takeaways. I've had people twenty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: in debt because of after pay. Now you can after
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  Speaker 1: pay food, can you really? Yeah, yeah, you can after
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  Speaker 1: pay takeout, et cetera. The lengths you go to hide
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  Speaker 1: it or control it. So there's financial, there's physical, there's social.
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  Speaker 1: People don't eat out with friends because they're too scared
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  Speaker 1: they're going to binge. Then they'll binge later. Relationships trying
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  Speaker 1: to hide it family members. It can be really really
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  Speaker 1: tricky to bring up the topic. But it has so
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  Speaker 1: many impacts, even just your mood, comorbid anxiety, depression, personality disorders,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot.
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  Speaker 4: So where do you think it started from? Like purge
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  Speaker 4: eating and binge eating.
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  Speaker 1: Usually there's a few genetic vulnerabilities towards eating disorders if
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  Speaker 1: it's in your family. Again learned behavior. So if you
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  Speaker 1: see your mum dieting, So I grew up in a
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  Speaker 1: Greek household, and I grew up in the low carb
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  Speaker 1: era and the duke and diet and all that, and
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  Speaker 1: I just thought it was normal. Oh okay, so losing
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  Speaker 1: weight is a hobbyler we should all do, so, I
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  Speaker 1: think seeing it in your your parents. And then usually
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  Speaker 1: what happens is people will go on a diet and
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  Speaker 1: they will restrict, restrict, restrict, but biologically your body cannot
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  Speaker 1: do that. Your body is in a state of famine.
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  Speaker 1: It's starving. And then people will eat something like a
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  Speaker 1: piece of chocolate and in their mind they've broke a
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  Speaker 1: dietary rule. And the minute you break a dietary rule,
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  Speaker 1: like oh, I wasn't meant to eat carbs or wasn't
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  Speaker 1: meant to eat sugar. Screw it, I've stuffed up. They
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  Speaker 1: get into this flat tire syndrome. So it's like you're
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  Speaker 1: driving along the freeway and one of your tires pops.
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  Speaker 1: So they get out and they say, oh, well, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll slash my other food tires chocolate, I might as
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  Speaker 1: well just eat.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good analogy the whole block.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that causes shame, panic and the fear
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  Speaker 1: of weight gain is what leads people to perch binge
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  Speaker 1: eating disorder. Not everyone's preoccupied with their weight, shape and size,
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  Speaker 1: but bolimia and anorexia. There's a big preoccupation on weight,
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  Speaker 1: shape and size and the fear of gaining weight because
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  Speaker 1: they attribute their self worth to their weight. Where does
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  Speaker 1: it come from social media as well? Growing up with
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  Speaker 1: the thin ideal looking online, comparing yourself to other people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's those celebrities and models like Gigii Did
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  Speaker 4: and Kate Moss and all the genetically slim girls are
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  Speaker 4: being idolized Kendil Jenna, and then people think that if
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  Speaker 4: I diet, I could look like them. But genetically your
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  Speaker 4: body's not even close to being like the makeup of.
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  Speaker 1: Theirs exactly, yes, And it was so normalized back there.
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  Speaker 1: I remember his next top model, the Biggest Loser Weightless
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  Speaker 1: was competitive and it was celebrated and these poor people.
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  Speaker 4: And then I think, in someone's mindset, if they are
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  Speaker 4: purging bleamic or dieting, do you think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: them are scared that Because I love intuitive eating, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like day to day my diet food I eat
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  Speaker 4: is always different depending on what I'm feeling, where I'm
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  Speaker 4: out in my cycle, if I've trained, not trained. But
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  Speaker 4: do you think if they go to intuitive eating from
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  Speaker 4: calorie counting. What I hear from women is that I'm
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  Speaker 4: so scared I'm going to be too intuitive or like
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  Speaker 4: not know when to stop, and then I will gain
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  Speaker 4: weight because it's like I feel like a chocolate. Of
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  Speaker 4: course you can have a chocolate. It's like, then you
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  Speaker 4: start doing it every day because I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: be restrictive. And you know, when I just listen to
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  Speaker 4: my body, my body's telling me eat a block of cabri.
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  Speaker 4: So how do you what advice do you?
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  Speaker 1: Loving brought this up, so there's this sort of whole spectrum, right,
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  Speaker 1: and when we first improve someone's relationship with food, The
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  Speaker 1: first thing I focus on is food structure, because people
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  Speaker 1: with eating disorders usually have very poor structure. They don't
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  Speaker 1: eat breakfast, they try to push everything out, they're suppressing
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  Speaker 1: with coffee, and then they'll binge later on in the day.
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  Speaker 1: What we find that throughout this period where they're allowed
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  Speaker 1: to eat whatever you want, whenever you want, as long
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  Speaker 1: as it's in a structure. Yes, you will go on
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  Speaker 1: a food honeymoon. It's inevitable. You're going to enjoy food.
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  Speaker 1: You might overindulge in foods. But this stage doesn't last forever.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of people think, oh, but what if
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  Speaker 1: I gain weight. Your weight might change a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: because your weight will fluctuate throughout your life. It's normal,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine. But once you get through that honeymoon food
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  Speaker 1: stage and you do get towards intuitive eating again, which
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  Speaker 1: is a process you've got to go through a series
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  Speaker 1: of suess, your body will naturally find or it's comfortable
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  Speaker 1: and where it wants to be, Especially if you've had
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  Speaker 1: a history of restriction. Weight game might be necessary. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it might actually be needed, and it might be necessary
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  Speaker 1: to start your recovery and your journey.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, even to get your period back and to balance
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  Speaker 4: out your hormones and get your skin nice and glowing again.
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  Speaker 4: I remember my girlfriend was in and out of hospital
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  Speaker 4: with anorexia and I went to one in Melbourne. Her
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  Speaker 4: mum was like forcing her to go, and you go
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  Speaker 4: and stay there for like twelve weeks and go on
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  Speaker 4: a program. And she asked me to come and have
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: a look with her. And I remember walking through and
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  Speaker 4: all the these girls like sitting around a table literally
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  Speaker 4: like sitting there, shoulders rolled over. They've all got their
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  Speaker 4: like white bread sandwich in front of them, none of
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  Speaker 4: them eating, but they're not allowed to leave the room
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  Speaker 4: until they eat. And I remember pulling her mom aside
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  Speaker 4: and being like, do you honestly think this is the
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  Speaker 4: best environment. Let her come and live with me for
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: a month and let me teach her and show her
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  Speaker 4: other healthy ways to do this and make food fun.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: And she did, and she's been amazing of not saying
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: I can cure it eating disorder, but I just that
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: environment for women to go to a rehab place like that,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: like I was just so against. I'm sure there's great
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: ones out there, but what are your thoughts on that?
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Because it broke my heart watching these women just sit
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: there terrified of their sandwich, comparing themselves to the other
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: girls that are in there. And my girlfriend said that
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  Speaker 4: it was a competition like that she wanted to be
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  Speaker 4: the skinniest, so she was not going to touch the
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: sandwich because and if she ate it, she's gonna be
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: the fat one. It was just like so sad.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: An eating disorder. When we talk about anarexia, it's very
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: very serious because you're sort of bordering that medical it's
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a medical condition as well, right, So anorexia is having
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: preoccupation with weight, shape and size, restricting your calorie so
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: much you lose a large amount of weight, but that
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: puts you under what is appropriate for your height, etc.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And puts you at risk. And the treatment for anorexia,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: usually in the beginning is refeeding, and that's why they
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: will take you to a hospital or a clinic because
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: they need to get stable again because if you're not eating,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you're not thinking clearly. You can't do cognitive therapy on
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: someone who's male nurished. True, Yeah, and eating disorders are
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: also very competitive, So yes, those environments can be very
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: triggering because the reason so many people don't get help
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: is because they think I'm not sick enough, you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and then seeing girls in there who are thinner than
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: them and who are not eating. Yeah, it just would
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: trigger so many different things. I think it can be
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: definitely helpful for a particular reason or season for some people.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Everyone's so different, right.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Everyone's different. But after that, it's so important they continue
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the journey because many people say, oh, they just tried
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: to feed me and they didn't help me after the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: refeeding with anarexia, you've got to do the cognitive work.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: So retraining the thoughts when you're stable, yeah, yeah.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Have the right support around you, in the right environment.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with saying before as well, people thinking that they're
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: not sick enough, like, what are some signs where people
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: can reevaluate their own life and go, oh, maybe it
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: is time that I need help, Like even with binging,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: is it when they're being secretive and replacing things, like
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: is there any little like signs along the way where
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: they can kind of go, okay, maybe I'm at that point.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, such a good question. So some of the signs
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: to be concerned about, and you can notice this in
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: other people too, is just this preoccupation with weight, shape
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and size, you know, food and your body takes up
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of mental real estate thinking about it all
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the time. You are weighing your food, your counting calories, macros, etc.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Your pie chart of life, if we were to do
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: chat of your life is heavily around body image, weight,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: shape and size. Signs of binge eating in Bolimia, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: eating in secrets, not eating around people, eating very clean
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: in public, and then binge eating on high caloric food
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: in private, and just feeling a loss of control, feeling ashamed.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Even how you dress. You might wear particularly baggy clothing,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: but the important thing is it's not about how you look.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Eating disorders don't discriminate based on race, shape, size. Anyone
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: could be having one. And that's why atypical anorexia. Every
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: time I post about that on TikTok, I get a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: lot of backlash. Oh, it's so invalidating. What it basically
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: means is you have all the symptoms of anorexia, but
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you're not below that expected weight, so you can be restrictive.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: You could have lost a lot of weight, you can
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: be preoccupied with your weight, but you're at an average
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: or above average weight for what's expected, but you still
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: have an eating disorder. It's psychological, not physical.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: And you've got a program as well that you're doing.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, So Food Freedom is a twelve week program.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: It's an online group where we meet as a group
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: once a week and it's for anyone who's struggled with
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: binge eating, purging and women who think they may or
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: may not have ADHD, because there's a huge link between
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it and I sort of developed this program because I've
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: done one on one work for a very long time.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: But what we're found is with eating disorders and ADHD,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the most efficacious type of work is group work, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: people feel really validated and heard and supported to be
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: in a group. And it's online, so you've got modules,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: so the videos are there, you can watch them because
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: people that actually will forget what's sett in therapy a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: lot of the time. There's a structure. There's four things
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you really want to be focusing on if you want
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to improve your relationship with food.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so cool, and so do you take them
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: through like everyone goes through at the same time. Okay,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: anyone download the program and do it at their own pace.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: There's set dates that it starts, so they happened regularly,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: so You can join at any time and people are
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: welcome to jump on a call with me. It's free,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: just to see if you be the right fix. I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: want to make sure that it's the right fit for people,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you know, depending on what's going on in their lives.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But it's been really great. I take questionnaires at the start,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: at the end, and it's really something I'm passionate about because, yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I wish this was around it and I went through
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: my eating there wasn't a lot.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: It's like coaching meets psychology.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. So we use a lot of
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: psychological principles in there. I guess I've sort of tailor
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: made this program to include lots of different things, bits
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of CBT, bits of DBT, but it does have a.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Coaching approach because I love that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: We're very accessible. It's in a group. You can ask questions,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: which is what people need.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: And there's no shame around it either.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: No shame, very open.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not so lonely and daunting doing it with a group.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: It's kind of cool. So much healing when you come
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: together as a collective, isn't it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so good.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: You have a podcast you obviously talk about this a lot. More,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: which is really cool.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the What's Eating You podcast we're go into a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: lot more detail topics as well. But I think if
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you're listening to this and you think this could be you,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: don't wait. Don't wait. Eating disorders, disordered eating, they don't
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: get better, And the research has shown that people can
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: wait up to ten years before seeing help. You know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I've got women who are sixty in my program, I've
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: got eighteen year olds, lots of different women across the lifespan,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and just know that hating your body doesn't change it,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and that you can develop a healthy, happy life at
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: your current size whilst working on other parts of you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I absolutely love that. Oh, thank you so
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: much for being here today. I really appreciate your time
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: and your knowledge.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks so much.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: We'll leave all of steat details in the show notes below,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: So if you wanted to connect or join in your course,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: look at your book, listen to your podcast. Yes, it'll
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: will be in the show notes below. But thank you
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: so much, and hopefully we'll have you on again soon.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much.