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M3GAN 2.0 (2025) · Camp Classics

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Yeah, but I was kind of hoping for death by fingering.
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Get away from her you bitch blasting.
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He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
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right before she died. No, I thought you can't
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prostitute your dog at it. I used to love doggy chow.
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I used to love doggy chow too. Hold on to your vaginas.
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I'm Crystal. Well, you wouldn't give your
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child cocaine, would you? I'm baby lame.
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I forgot about that line. That one's good.
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It's a good one, isn't it? Yeah.
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And welcome to Camp Classics. A thoughtful podcast about
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stupid movies. Hi, hi, Can.
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I just say before we get into this, if I just dissolve into a
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pile of slop all over the recording equipment and die and
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just kind of maybe regenerate as an AI thing in your other
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devices, that might be what we're dealing with today.
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Pride month is over and we're into Wrath month, which is just
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32°. There's sweat dripping between
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my breasts. Big boobs what?
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Out of all of your body parts, what's the least favorite part
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of your body part that gets sweaty, if that even makes
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sense, is the. Question.
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No, it does. It does.
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I think it might be like the backs of my knees.
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You know what? Like you're not wearing like
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when you're wearing shorts and you cross your legs and you get
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like sweat on your thigh and the back of your knee from your legs
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touching well. That's interesting.
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I think that's the grossest. I don't think I really get that
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sweaty there. I think mine's my ass.
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Oh, Jesus. Gross.
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Yeah, that's a. Bit sweaty saggy ass.
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What are we doing here today? Well, we're covering Megan 2
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point O. That's right.
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That's right, listeners. We're doing a new movie that is
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currently in the cinemas. We are breaking the boundaries
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with the films we're covering on this podcast.
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That's right. I will say upfront there will be
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light spoilers, but as always with this show there's also lots
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of context behind the scenes T and all of our gay chat so don't
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worry too. Much about that that's that's
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some good chat GTPT there that dude why did I not say chat P
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What is it chat I still don't know what it is chat.
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I'll, I'm just going to let you continue to try it.
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Is it ChatGPT? Did you have a brain tumor for
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breakfast, ChatGPT? Yeah, but what does it stand
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for? Generative predictive text?
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I don't know. That's a.
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That's a guess. OK, well I'm here with you
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because I in in research for this.
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This is I didn't really know what to do with other research.
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So I went on to it and I asked it if it was Megan and it
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wasn't. It said it wasn't.
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And then I went down there like a little wormhole of asking if
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it would fall in love with me and it said it couldn't.
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And then I was like, I'm destroying the universe.
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It's already hot. How many other things are
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burning because of this pointless conversation?
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So I'm sorry. That's so funny, it really says
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like how frazzled we all are in this heat that you're just like
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having a fight with an AI trying to get info about an AI movie.
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Send the asteroid. Death to all of them.
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Before we go any further though, we do have a Gay Trion where you
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can subscribe for £4 a month and get a bonus episode every month
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and access to our growing back catalog.
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Our last Patreon episode was on Masters of the Universe.
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You can listen to that now and we'll have another one out next
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week. Great.
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I don't know what we're covering that a hefty bat catalog of
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episodes now aren't we? A fat ass.
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And I will say I've started noticing more people tagging us
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on Instagram and other socials with how much they're enjoying
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the podcast. They're apparently the Batman
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and Robin one. Seems to be quite popular.
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It, it has been, it has been, yeah, we've the socials are
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building up. I will just say like, interact
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with us. Yeah, we've got nothing else to
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do. Send a pic if you want, don't
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send a pic if you don't want to. But you know, let's really build
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on this connection. Let's make this.
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I was about to say let's make this a family, but then that
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maybe might be. Well, we did have some comments
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and and feedback that I wanted to share so.
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Oh. Great.
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Off the back of Batman and Robin, I don't know if you
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remember, but you asked if we had any straight listeners and
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if they want Batman to win. Oh yes, I did.
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Yeah. What was the answer?
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So Kate says right, I'm not quite straight, and maybe
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someone proper straight might have a different answer, but I
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always want the baddies to win, especially if they're fabulous.
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But yeah, but the, the the the clue there is though not proper
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straight and I think, I don't think you're straight.
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At all, darling. Exactly.
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Exactly. But not if you want Poison Ivy
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to win. And then Neve messaged and said
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as Neve. Of Neve Campbell fame.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that actually?
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I mean, is that how you pronounce that NI AM H?
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Oh, I don't know, Nema. No, no, it's, I don't know.
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I think it's Neve. I think it's Neve, anyway.
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Neve, not Campbell. Yeah, Which is another strike
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against her because she says as a straight girl, sorry, no, it's
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OK, we don't shame here. Pride runs is over.
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She says yes. I've always wanted Batman to
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win. Oh.
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So. Oh, so I was on to something.
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Yeah, our sample size of two confirms you.
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Were right. Well, thank you for that Nieve.
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I think that you know that it's really good and we appreciate
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having our straight allies listening to the podcast.
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Thank you so much. And I've we've also had a
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comment on Apple podcast, which I'll read.
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And this is from Ruri. Crystal and Baby Watch iconic
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movies from queer and often accidentally queer cinema
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history. And yes, they read them for
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filth. It takes a deep understanding of
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our culture to be this good at eviscerating and celebrating
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these films. Besides the details, fascinating
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trivia, and the hilarious observations along the way,
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watch out for episodes featuring the I Never Know How to Say This
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Word inimitable Peaches Grace, whose knowledge of camp cinema
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and exploration of queer culture together are both insightful and
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joyous. No wire hangers to be seen and
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nothing flaccid about it. Oh, well, that was wonderful.
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Thank you, Rory. Yeah.
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Stunning. Good.
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It makes it sound really good, doesn't it?
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And then especially when you can't even read it, that really
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helps. Doesn't.
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It the other bit of business I wanted to share with you
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because. She's all about the Business
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Today. Is that she?
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I know she's got her folder, she's come into the meeting,
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she's tapping things down. She's like, listen guys, I know.
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Got minutes? I know that we are going to have
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the work drinks afterwards, but before we let our hairs down,
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please can we just make sure that we're covering these
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meeting memo point please? Well this memo point is cause
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for some office celebration and I actually brought in a Tesco
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slab cake for the occasion because this is our 25th episode
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baby. Lame.
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Wagon Wheel Watusi. Oh, isn't that?
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Oh, that's. Great.
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Yeah, feels a lot, lot more, doesn't it, than 2525.
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Well, it's hard to count, but I think this is the 25th movie
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we've covered. Well done.
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Yeah. Well done you.
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Yeah, who? Who would have ever thought we'd
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get this far? No, exactly.
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Behind the scenes it's been a bit rocky at times, but we found
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our flow now, haven't we? The.
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Girls are fighting. We've also, I don't know if this
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means anything, but we've got over 10,000 plays on Apple
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Podcasts. Let's say it does.
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It sounds good. It sounds really good. 10,000.
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And is that you just checking the audio edits work?
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What I would say is that we've had 10,000 plays.
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And how many reviews have we had?
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Yeah, exactly. Not many.
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So, you know, sorted out listeners.
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I've said it, but I'm not allowed to say it.
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Even if you don't like it, at least give us some real
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feedback. Come on, do something.
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You want real feedback? I only want five stars.
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Why can't you give me the respect that I'm entitled to?
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Baby, before we go any further, what makes a camp classic?
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Well, thank you for asking. And I thought in this week's
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Camp Classic roundup, I would maybe channel the spirit of a
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camp goddess that we crowned in our last episode.
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I'm talking about Poison Ivy. Oh, let's see how this goes.
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So if you want a camp classic, it needs to unlock queer joy.
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In the words of my good sis Megan Fox, it needs to give us
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such a wedding. You.
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Give me such a wedding. A camp classic needs to have an
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ongoing legacy. That's right.
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Something that will make you come back for more.
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It felt like a good idea. I'm just going to have to carry
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on right here. OK.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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There's no escape now. It should be so stupid.
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It's genius. It needs to feed into queer pop
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culture. That's right.
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I want something that's got roots I like a good root and
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deep down and something that's never a problem with me.
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Flaccid energy. This film needs to be rejected
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by the mainstream and resurrected by the gays.
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A resurrection, if you will. And that is what a camp classic
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should be. I don't know, I turned into some
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sort of Private Eye. Yeah, yeah.
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It suddenly was like, listen here, kid.
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Yeah, she. Yeah, she.
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She Yeah, Don't touch me here. I'm I miss her.
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I miss Poison Ivy. But she Why?
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Can't every. Why can't every movie feature
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her? Totally.
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They were. I feel like they were trying to
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give Megan a bit of Poison Ivy. And every other female
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character. Yeah, yeah.
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Well so before we get into Megan 2.0, what were your thoughts on
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Megan One? Couldn't really remember it and
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we went to the cinema because we went to the cinema to see this
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the other day and I didn't really watch it.
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I remembered it being sort of like a modern day version of the
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sort of Charles Play Chucky films.
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I quite liked it. I quite liked how violent it was
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and I thought it was quite fun. It was.
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It felt like a sort of an accidental camp moment had
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happened. Yeah.
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What about you? Cuz you did rewatch it, didn't
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you? Yeah, I think the same.
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I think before rewatching, I was like, this was a fun movie that
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delighted me in ways I hadn't expected.
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And I think by the time we went to see Megan one, it had already
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been like a viral Internet sensation.
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And I was I think I went into Megan one being like already
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kind of I rolly that it, you know, when just a thing becomes
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so big on the Internet, you're like, you're fed up with it.
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So. Far.
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That's the thing, isn't it, when you've got Drew Barrymore
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dressing up as her and doing the dance on her.
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Talk show it's. Just I forgot.
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About that and. It's like, you know, you know
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this about me, but this is such like a big problem with me.
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As soon as anyone likes anything and people are like, this is
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funny, it automatically makes me hate it.
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And it does. It could be really great.
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It could be like, I feel like it can be any kind of subjects like
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this great food, this great restaurant, this really nice
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person. It's like if too many people
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have too nice about it, I automatically will hate it.
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So it's hard, isn't it? Because then you've got to kind
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of really, you know, for something like this podcast, we
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can't, we've got to push those things to the side and really
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the source material, seriously. I love limes.
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I love them. Well, I feel like we did do that
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because I went into Megan one. I remember being already quite
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eye rolly. I'm like, this is going to just
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be quite annoying. And actually I remember being
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like, no, no, I've had a really fun time.
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It surprised me. It was genuinely funny.
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Rewatched it, yeah, last week before going to Megan 2.
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I gotta say, it didn't hold up that well to a rewatch.
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The jokes, it already feels a bit stale.
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It's actually not as violent as I remember.
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Like, it kind of cuts away from any gore.
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And, you know, it's kind of a thin movie.
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Yeah. Just as a recap, though, it was
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a huge hit. It had a production budget of
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around 12 million, and it grossed over 181,000,000
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worldwide. So it was a massive, massive
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success. And it's also got 93% on Rotten
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Tomatoes. 93%. Yeah, crazy.
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That is crazy. Yeah.
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So I guess everyone watching it was just kind of like, surprised
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by it in a fun way. Yeah.
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I was also reading an interview with the the writer Akayla
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Cooper. She was also kind of like, oh,
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yeah. I think we were.
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We didn't really know we were making a queer movie.
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And I think the virality of it all, I think it took everyone by
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surprise. It was quite a lot of straight
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people, it looks like, who accidentally made something that
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the gays really enjoyed. I was about to say because I
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don't think it was a queer movie.
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No, sorry, I don't mean queer. Well, you said queer.
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Yeah, you're right, I actually meant gay.
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Yeah, and there's a really big difference.
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Isn't there? Yeah, there really is.
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Yeah. Megan is gay.
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Megan is We Hope Ride. I mean, I saw the Megan's at We
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Hope Ride this year. Period.
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Yeah, I mean, that's the problem, isn't it?
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I think setting up a movie like this, because obviously they
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have leaned into that sort of connection and the kind of the
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fierce dragginess of Megan. But it's.
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You've got to be careful with the queers.
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Because if we accidentally discover something like this and
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queer it and make it feel like it's part of us, great.
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But as soon as you're there with your fans clacking away sort of
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saying slay to us, I don't know many people that are going to
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kind of accept it in the same sort of way, period.
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Totally and so it's almost like Megan won, like the viral stuff
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took everyone by surprise. It felt like a groundswell of
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the public kind of went and made it gay.
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And now obviously for Megan 2, they've been like, let's double
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down. That worked.
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Let's like lean into that so much harder and.
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It's just giving a bit of Katy Perry covering album campaign.
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Isn't it sexy? Confident.
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Because I saw Megan was the cover star of Attitude magazine
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and they did an interview with her.
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Now I've got some quotes from the interview and obviously I
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was just like, this is exactly why I hate the way that they're
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promo in this film. So Megan, what is in your onset
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rider? As a start, I was able to
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negotiate a few key perks like a motorized makeup machine that I
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call the Glam tunnel. Kind of like a mix between a car
15:17
wash and an Mir that applies primary and finishing mist in 30
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seconds to the LAT. I have a temperature controlled
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wig wall, a charging shades, and an AI powered valency mirror
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that runs while delivering positive affirmations.
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OK. Wow.
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Someone thought. They were, really.
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Cunty with that, didn't they? And that's what I'm saying.
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There's nothing that's just not like.
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It also doesn't make any sense because Megan doesn't wear
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makeup. No, she's a.
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Robot, the the interview continues.
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And she did turn it around for me.
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OK, OK. So the question was.
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Which songs are on your killer summer playlist brackets?
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Should that be slay list? Which, And then Megan replies.
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That's cute, but the record. I never actually use the word
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slay in conversation or in the movie, but I'm obligated to say
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it so that market marketing can reach their core demo, whatever
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that means. Likewise, my musical tastes skew
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a lot darker than Taylor Swift and Chapel Roan.
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My favorite band is probably and somewhat ironically, Slayer, and
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I was kind of like, oh, OK, actually I'm like the AI is AI
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ING and yeah, I'm kind of sold again from that.
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So on this already roller coaster ride I'm having with the
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marketing wave and Megan 2 point O, I'm kind of being lured back
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in and that's showing where we're getting with AII think.
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That's really funny and also ironic because I will watch like
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the final trailer for Megan 2 Point O today and instead of
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Britney in that trailer they use feminine nomenon by Chapel run.
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So I like, I like a kind of meta reference, but it is the way the
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way Megan 2 point O has been marketed has been incredibly
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tedious. Yeah.
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And it just makes me not want to give it a high score from the
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get go. Yeah.
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It's like that level of gay bait is just deplorable.
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It's it's giving like, I mean, we don't even have these prides
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anymore where like the pink pound is being spent.
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They've kind of ditched us, haven't they?
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But it's it is giving like Tesco's have made a rainbow
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sandwich and you know what I mean?
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It's like. Oh, who had the pride sandwich?
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Was it M&S? Yeah, it was M&S.
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What was it the? Guacamole, bacon, lettuce and
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tomato. Yeah, so was it the LGBTS?
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Yeah, I think so. That's really good, actually.
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Yeah, right. Well, let's get into Megan too.
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Yeah. So Megan 2 Point O directed by
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Gerard Johnston, written by Akayla Cooper.
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It had a production budget of something like 15 to 25,000,000.
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Unfortunately, we've had a flop on our hands.
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It's as of recording on Tuesday, its opening weekend was only $10
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million, which is 1/3 of Megan one.
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Yeah, it's also got a much lower Rotten Tomatoes score of 57%, so
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the critics aren't loving it as much either.
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In terms of plot, I've got like a short synopsis here.
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Yeah. The other thing with this film
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is they, like, clearly have decided to give like, a
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different genre a film ago, haven't they?
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Yeah. So there's a lot of plot to get
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through. Yeah.
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I mean, I'm not saying it's very notable plot, but there's a lot
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of plot. Yeah, it's one of my notes.
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There is so much plot in this. Movie in the spirit of Batman
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and Robin, I think the only way to get through this plot is the
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yada. Yada yada yada.
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Yada technique. OK, perfect.
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So this is where we'll start to come in with some spoilers I
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guess, but I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Deal with it, yeah. Just listen anyway.
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I mean, it's literally gonna be fine.
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It's not that fucking difficult people.
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Like if you don't want spoilers, you can go and watch the film
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1st and then maybe listen to this podcast if you don't care.
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Here we are. You know what I mean?
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I mean, it's really not the biggest decision in the world.
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There's not going to be. I would say, I would say there's
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even a the third thing is also this movie doesn't matter very
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much. And therefore you could just you
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could hear the spoilers. It won't be that anything that's
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surprising, and you could still probably enjoy the movie.
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I one of my favorite things is people that react to spoilers
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because it can be like such like a huge problem to them, but
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it's. Like such a troll though.
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Sorry, I'm just uncrossing my legs and peeling them apart.
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Oh, I just tucked behind my knee and got a bigger wet bit as
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well. Bit of wet, bit of crack.
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I'm sorry. You've got to smell it though,
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haven't you? Every single time.
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What? Disgusting.
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You don't smell. I've got my sweat, I've got a
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really bad sense of smell, and I sometimes think that my sweaty
20:19
T-shirt right now smells like cookies, and it obviously
20:21
doesn't. Wow.
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By my oh, I smell like baked goods, but no, it's like dried
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up sweat. We've been friends for a long
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time and I have never once thought oh baby smells like
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cookies. But it explains because if
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that's what I smell, maybe there's a gene, you know, the
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gene would like cilantro. Yeah.
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Maybe there's a gene with people smelling them in sweat and it
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smells like delicious cookies. So there we go.
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OK, well it explains a lot frankly.
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OK, so here is the plot of Megan 2 Point O.
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Let's start by saying the genre is very different, so forget
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about horror. It's got some horror elements I
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suppose. Not much though.
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It's more, I'd say, if you took like Terminator 2 and Mission
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Impossible and Austin Powers. It's so Austin Powers with maybe
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like a little scattering of Clueless or Mean Girl just for
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like, you know, the characters. But it's like a sci-fi farce
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essentially, with the plot of Terminator 2, essentially.
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So two years after Megan, a marvel of artificial
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intelligence, went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage,
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its creator, Gemma, has become an advocate for government
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oversight of AI. Unbeknownst to her, a defence
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contractor has created a military grade weapon known as
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Amelia. The ultimate infiltration spy
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didn't. They put a three in her name.
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Oh yeah, or like. You know, like an AT.
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Yeah, make it really Y2K. You're right, I does she not
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have, does she not have nothing in her in her name?
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This is just Amelia. She's just Amelia.
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I mean Amelia is a really shit name for like this ultimate
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fighting machine. Yeah, Amelia is what you would
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call a home. Mesurge you that?
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I thought she was like a hoe. No, like an Alexa, it's like
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it's in the world of Alexa. It's like a nanny.
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Yeah, it is, isn't it? Yeah.
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It's not county murderous robot. What did you think of her when
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you first saw her though? Because she's quite county,
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isn't she? Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, she looks good. I mean, she's giving Scarlett
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Johansson Black Widow vibes, right?
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I I wrote down Calista Flockhart, AKA Ali Macbill,
22:54
mixed in with Rachel Adams. That's visually who I'm getting
22:59
with a bad wig. She's got a really bad wig.
23:02
Yeah, I like that her face kind of didn't emote throughout.
23:08
Apparently she studied AI. The actress who played and what
23:13
else are you going to fucking study?
23:15
Yeah, Also, like, what else are you going to say in an interview
23:17
she did like. Tai she did like Tai chi or
23:19
something. Oh yeah, I saw that Krav Maga.
23:22
Yeah, it must be really hard, though, when you've been signed
23:27
up to do a movie like this, because obviously, like, you'd
23:29
be like, sure, I want to be a Megan too.
23:30
Especially after the first one was the biggest.
23:32
Of course you're going to want to be in it, but then you're
23:35
like signed up for all of this like extensive promo where
23:38
you're asked the same bullshit questions, like what do you
23:42
answer? Like it's not that deep, is it?
23:44
Like. No, especially like when you get
23:47
gays like asking you questions and we're like, what are your
23:50
favorite killer robots of all time?
23:52
And she's like, I don't know. Yeah.
23:54
And then who's the main actress? The older one, What's her name?
23:59
Allison Williams. Allison Williams.
24:00
Yeah, well, she's been. I'm basically, you're trying
24:03
really fucking hard, bitch. But no ones buying this talking
24:06
about how there's a real emotional crux to this movie,
24:10
which we'll talk about, but just sort of saying that that, you
24:12
know, pulls from a really different part of the
24:14
characterization. And it was really great to
24:16
explore that. It's like you are doing some
24:20
heavy lifting with your lives in this interview, honey.
24:23
Liza Minelli. Yeah.
24:27
OK, so we've got Amelia, the evil spy robot.
24:33
Anyway, Amelia's self-awareness increases and she becomes less
24:36
interested in taking orders. So hoping to stop Amelia, Gemma
24:41
decides to resurrect Megan, making her faster, stronger, and
24:45
more lethal. And then I'm going to just yadda
24:48
yadda yadda. Because but then in that yadda
24:50
yadda yadda, like Amelia is basically killing a lot of very
24:53
important people right from the get go, isn't she?
24:55
She sure is. She's murdering CEOs,
24:58
billionaires, and she's hacking into the entire world.
25:02
And then we've got multiple showdowns, montages, heist style
25:07
infiltrations, betrayals, double crosses and near deaths and and
25:14
the team destroy Amelia before she can destroy civilization and
25:19
they learn to trust Megan along the way.
25:21
Oh my God, that that I was. I was trying to catch that where
25:24
you are with the synopsis. Oh my God, no.
25:25
That was like the biggest yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda
25:27
yadda ever. OK, Wow.
25:30
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's either that or like 18
25:33
paragraphs of plot. Yeah, let's not do the 18
25:36
paragraphs of plot, but. But yeah, that's the that's the
25:39
gist. The final message of the movie
25:41
is not to fear AI or to try and control it, but to cooperate
25:46
with it and find a balance, to live in harmony.
25:49
Well, you had to become like parents, wasn't it?
25:51
Was what? They yeah, become parents to AI.
25:54
Because that's great. That's a great structure to base
25:56
it on because we no one ever has any issues with their parents
26:00
and parents never like take the piss and abuse their children,
26:03
do they? So yeah, great.
26:05
So we're, that's the way to solve AI.
26:07
Wonderful. Yeah, OK, well, let's talk about
26:10
the style, the style of this movie.
26:12
What do we think about the changing of the style from
26:14
horror to like, sci-fi? Well, I think it's I think it's
26:19
like an interesting move because I think what from what I could
26:22
tell with this movie is they're trying to build like a bigger
26:24
franchise. Yeah.
26:25
And I guess like going down more like a Marvel Universe, kind of
26:29
like Megan is sort of like an anti superhero kind of thing.
26:34
Kind of makes sense because I guess if she was just the
26:39
psychotic doll that wants to kill everyone and and look after
26:43
this girl, it's kind of there's not really that far you can go
26:47
with it. Because I don't get me wrong, I
26:50
don't think she's that into the girl anymore.
26:51
In this this movie. She didn't really seem that
26:53
bothered by her. Yeah, it was more about the
26:56
Gemma character in Megan's relationship, wasn't it then?
26:59
Yeah, than the child and Megan. But I think the problem is it's
27:02
just, it's just because you know, it's a very like light
27:05
character from the get go. So it's like, and it's just very
27:10
hard to kind of place like what you should be feeling about her
27:13
life. Should we be scared of her?
27:15
No, not anymore. Like, should.
27:18
It's kind of like, you're not really even rooting for her, are
27:22
you? No, no.
27:25
Well, I mean, so much of the plot involves not being aware
27:30
with her, not being sure whether or not you can trust Megan.
27:33
And so you're as a viewer, you're never really sure, like,
27:37
am I rooting for her? Am I not?
27:38
Is she double crossing? What's going on?
27:41
But then I guess, I guess that's the problem, isn't it?
27:43
Because old Megan might have killed some people along the
27:46
way, like, you know, done some really bad stuff along the way.
27:51
Yeah. Which would mean you're like,
27:53
oh, she's still kind of psycho. But but the fact is she doesn't
27:57
really do anything. And I it's all because a chip
27:59
has been installed, which means that she can't kill people.
28:02
Yeah, Yeah. I think I agree with you that
28:06
it's a fun idea to kind of change genres.
28:10
Like I like it when a movie takes a risk and this was, I
28:13
think a risk. I think it was the wrong choice.
28:16
But I know that there's always a balancing act when you do a
28:19
sequel of like people wanting it to be different enough so that
28:23
it's not like, oh, you're just rehashing everything you did in
28:25
the first one, but also same enough so that people aren't
28:29
like, why did you make this like this?
28:32
It's got nothing to do with the original.
28:33
So I, I, I sympathize with the problem of that.
28:36
And at least they took a big swing and they were like, we're
28:39
going to try something like, that's really different.
28:42
I was listening to an interview with Jason Bloom today, who's
28:45
the owner of Bloom House, who made this movie, And he was
28:49
saying that they kind of got overconfident about how much
28:52
people liked Megan. He was talking about how the
28:56
movie was a failure, basically how Megan 2.0 has been a failure
28:59
and it's going to be a big box office flop.
29:01
And yeah, he said, he said he they thought that Megan was an
29:06
icon that people were really invested in.
29:09
And so they thought, oh, well, we can take her from a January
29:11
release to a blockbuster summer release.
29:13
We can take her out of out of the genre.
29:15
We can make her look different. We can do all of these things.
29:18
And people will still love her because she's Megan and they
29:20
love Megan and they want more Megan.
29:22
And he was like, actually, I think we were kind of wrong
29:25
about all of that. And we should have stuck to the
29:27
formula. I I think I just kind of wish
29:29
this movie had been more horror. I think it could have been quite
29:34
fun in the way that Terminator 2 is just the tension from that
29:38
movie comes from being chased. Yeah.
29:41
You're being chased by something very powerful that you can't
29:44
stop. And no matter how far and fast
29:46
you run, it's going to get you. And that's that doesn't really
29:49
exist in this movie, even though it's such an obvious thing to to
29:52
go for. Yeah, like, you're totally
29:54
right. And also because even like, the
29:56
first Terminator is like, like, arguably this weird, there's a
29:59
slightly horror vibe to it anyway.
30:01
Like it's really dark and gritty and but you're so right.
30:05
But like, you never feel any danger for the girl.
30:08
And like, she's the whole reason Megan's alive and going.
30:13
Yeah, there's like, kind of no stakes, even though the stakes
30:16
are really that the entire world is going to be taken over.
30:18
But yeah, it's just feels weird to have like have something
30:22
that's already planted its foot in that horror slightly more
30:27
adult audience to then not continue going down that route
30:30
because there's no. Yeah, as you said, the storyline
30:32
is just a RIP off of the Terminator movies.
30:34
But yeah. But without any of that kind of
30:37
actual kind of scares or. Thriller.
30:39
Yeah, the stuff that made it tense.
30:41
And then so instead you've got this kind of like basically kind
30:44
of Marvel style movie where the entire world is at stake, but
30:47
you don't care because you know, it's probably just going to work
30:49
out just fine. And there are no big surprises
30:52
in this movie. There's no big twists.
30:53
It's like you get your happy ending and everyone's fine and
30:56
everyone's gets along. It's quite weird.
30:59
Like there's no even, there's no an inversion of it.
31:02
And also as well, like like you mentioned earlier, the Austin
31:05
Powers reference, it does really feel like that, but without the
31:09
kind of over the top gags, I guess.
31:11
So it's like less funny because it's like the villain, like the
31:15
guy, I don't even know what his name is, but the villain guy
31:18
that's like that campy, it's like he's, I think he's
31:21
paralysed, but then he can he can sort of walk with a machine.
31:25
Right. Yeah, yeah, the the billionaire
31:27
who? The billionaire guy in the
31:29
movie. Yeah.
31:30
Who's like who's like a who's kind of like an Elon Musk style
31:32
character? Yeah, again, it's like he dies,
31:36
but you don't care and it doesn't feel dangerous and it
31:39
just feels like a romp. And it's like, I mean, the only
31:42
thing that it does introduce that I think I actually love is
31:46
female robots. Sure.
31:48
I love a fembot like an Austin Powers.
31:52
And I love a robot that's not afraid to put on a bit of blush,
31:56
comb out her hair and put on a disco diva on the summer dress
32:00
and go to a party, to be quite frank.
32:01
Which is what happens with Amelia in this movie.
32:03
You're so right. You're so right.
32:05
She does. Yeah, because at one point Gemma
32:08
needs to put on a sexy dress to attract the billionaire.
32:12
And she puts on her frequent dress is boring as fuck, but
32:18
Amelia looks hot. She's she knows how to wear a
32:22
sequin. And I again, I, I just love this
32:26
about these kind of movies because we've seen her.
32:30
She is like a next level one woman killing machine who can
32:36
like, you know, fight against machine guns and like the arm
32:40
bombs and like kill people with like every single Kung Fu move.
32:43
She's moved, yet the only way she can get to this part of the
32:47
plot is by seduction and you have female charms.
32:51
I mean, it's not like she could just walk in and just kill
32:53
everyone straight away. And why wouldn't she?
32:55
She's a robot. Well, she doesn't care about
32:57
anyone. But Oh no, I'm going to wear a
33:00
nice disco dress and I'm going to seduce the billionaire.
33:04
Like, you're so right. And being on top of him, which
33:06
is just so stupid. You're so right.
33:08
I mean, she's, she's doing the Poison Ivy routine.
33:11
Yeah. Basically, and I said this to
33:13
you, but you didn't pick up on this, there was a bit where she
33:15
threw him onto the circular bed and he went on all fours and she
33:20
pulled out her finger and I was like, she's going to fucking
33:24
finger him and finger him to death.
33:26
That's what I thought was going to happen.
33:28
I was like, and then like let out some electrocution vibes out
33:32
of her fingers into his anus and I was ready for it.
33:35
And I was like, what an invented way to kill someone.
33:39
And then I thought you'd have to like misogynistic him being
33:41
like, oh, I don't normally have it up there kind of vibe.
33:45
And then he died. But alas, no.
33:48
You were giving the movie way too much credit.
33:50
Yeah, but I was kind of hoping for death by fingering.
33:53
Sexy, confident. Bring it on if any movie
33:58
producers are listening. I can't think of a single death
34:01
by fingering in a movie. And I think it's time.
34:04
I think it's time. Who are your favorite evil
34:07
robots of cinema? My favorite all time evil robot
34:10
is the Terminator three robot. Her with the slick updo and the
34:16
kind of maroon leverette. Cats.
34:19
I've never seen Terminator 3. Have you not?
34:21
I don't think so. Oh my.
34:24
But I can picture her. Oh my God I feel like I feel
34:29
like Amelia is this such a fucking try hard in comparison
34:33
to that bad bitch. She is so fucking cool.
34:37
But that is that movie quite bad.
34:39
Yeah, but in a spectacular way, in my opinion, because it's a
34:42
Terminator, so it's all of the Terminators, but she's a hot
34:45
robot. Yeah, great.
34:46
So it's like it's just basically taking the weakness of
34:49
Terminator Arnold Schwarzenegger and just judged it up.
34:53
That's good. I want to shout out Ash from
34:57
Alien. That faggy faggy Android.
35:02
Who gets really bitchy at the end?
35:03
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In all of his appearances, he's
35:06
just super faggy. I really like him.
35:08
And also doesn't quite count. Maybe, but Daryl Hannah in Blade
35:13
Runner. I don't really really know that.
35:17
I think her character is called Priss.
35:19
She's got the Lady Gaga fame Bob and a black and a black bar
35:23
across her eyes and she's just like all flips and kicks.
35:27
She's really good. What about C3PO?
35:30
He's quite paggy as well. So paggy.
35:33
So paggy. You know what I don't?
35:35
I don't have time for C3PO. Who else is there?
35:40
How about the Borg Queen from Star Trek?
35:42
She's she's pretty Kunti. I don't know.
35:44
I don't know. I don't know sci-fi, sorry, I
35:47
don't know her. It's fine.
35:48
Well, she's Kunti. Have you seen?
35:51
What about Ex Machina? Oh yeah, I like her.
35:55
Yeah, she's good. Yeah, she's really good.
35:58
Shout out to my girl Megan Fox Subservience, which it sounds
36:05
like the Megan universe is trying to Jack her style.
36:08
Because if you heard about this movie that they were planning to
36:11
have as part of the universe. So it's called Soul Mate with an
36:14
8. And I read an interview with the
36:17
guy, that Blum guy who runs Blum House, and his his sort of
36:21
description while they're doing that is sounds fucking terrible.
36:24
We always felt like there might be a more adult story to tell.
36:28
And that's really what Soulmate is.
36:31
Soulmate is basically set in the same AI world but seen through a
36:35
more grown up perspective, one that embraces all of the great
36:38
erotic thrillers from the 90s. It's like Fatal Attraction but
36:42
with robots. Gross.
36:46
I mean fine, fine is an idea, except it has already been done
36:50
and. By someone that you can't be
36:53
Megan Fox and Subservience, thank you very much.
36:56
I'd like to see Megan Fox versus Megan, quite frankly, because I
37:01
think Subservience Robot would kick the shit out of.
37:05
Megan, that is. The other kind of problem I had
37:07
with Amelia is that they made her a serious robot.
37:11
And the tone of this movie is fun.
37:13
It's supposed to be fun. So don't give me a serious
37:17
Benbot in this movie. Give me a villain who's just as
37:22
Kunti as Megan. You're right, I think that would
37:24
have been fun. Oh my God, if Amelia was Kunti,
37:27
that would have really helped this movie.
37:28
But it's almost like she is in kind of a, a serious movie.
37:32
Yeah. Like a a sad sort of C grade
37:35
sci-fi thriller. But she sort of exists in that
37:38
world, doesn't she? And yeah.
37:40
And so it's like Megan is the only one having any fun in this
37:43
movie, which is quite weird. But I also feel in general, like
37:47
I know everyone always bangs on about an AI and stuff, but I am
37:50
really worried about where we're going.
37:52
You know, Timberland, He's like, he's just launched the world's
37:56
first AI pop star. Oh.
37:58
No. And it's like she's beautiful.
38:01
I don't know where ethnically she's meant to be from, but
38:05
she's, you know, she's absolutely stunning and looks
38:09
real and kind of looks a bit kind of cool.
38:11
K pop girl vibe. But it's just we're getting into
38:14
a position now where it's like, you know, the music industry, as
38:18
we've seen with like Britney Spears and people like that has
38:20
been so like fucked up by like men bosses that we're now just
38:25
getting into a position where like men are owning the entire
38:30
embodiment of what this pop star is and therefore making
38:32
decisions for it and influencing people.
38:36
Yeah, it's like the the next evolution of men being horrible,
38:42
controlling, gross. I guess at least in this case
38:47
there isn't a real woman being harmed by it.
38:49
But it is. It is fucked up.
38:52
Chauvinist and sexist and misogynist and chauvinist and
38:55
sexist and misogynist. Well, what do we like about this
38:58
movie? Because I we are giving it a bit
39:00
of a hard time right now. But I actually, I got to say, I
39:02
came out of the cinema feeling like, oh, I had fun.
39:06
I had a nice time. I've been on such a weird roller
39:08
coaster with this one, I think. But because they were so
39:11
confident isn't even as this like executive said that they
39:15
created an icon. I just didn't want to like it.
39:17
But there were so many flaws in the movie that actually there
39:22
are things I'm like, oh, this is actually more enjoyable.
39:25
Like I chuckled so loudly in the scene where she didn't want to
39:31
reveal herself to the girl. What's the girl's name again?
39:33
I should know the fucking girl's name.
39:35
What is it? Katie.
39:36
Katie Yeah. So the idea is that that Megan
39:41
has created a layer to protect Katie and everyone else from
39:45
getting killed. And it's like in prison that
39:48
she's basically made a self-sufficient bunker where
39:51
they can all live. And she's got clothes and food
39:53
and she's made a replica of Katie's room.
39:56
And it's all it all is, you know what it is?
39:59
And it's like, I'm not quite sure how she's managed to do it
40:02
and like physically hire people and get it made, but she's done
40:05
it. And yet she's got she has got a
40:07
robot body. And it's just this, like, old
40:10
robot. And she's like, hiding in the
40:12
shadows. And she's like, don't look at
40:14
me, don't look at me. And I just found that so fucking
40:18
funny. And I don't know why, but I
40:20
think there were bits like that through the movie that just
40:22
seemed so out of place. And I'm not quite sure why it
40:25
was there that it just, yeah, it made me laugh.
40:27
What about you? Yeah, I think I feel the same as
40:29
you, that there were moments that did surprise me and really
40:33
make me chuckle, like Megan sings another song in this one,
40:37
and the song choice was really funny.
40:39
And yeah, you're right, that actually got a laugh from me.
40:42
But on paper I'm like, Oh my God, I'm not going to laugh.
40:45
Because it it started to make me think of what's the film with Oh
40:49
Dead Deadpool. Yeah.
40:52
It was all becoming a little bit too smug straight movie Deadpool
40:57
vibe. Oh, now we're inserting a well
40:59
known song into an. Action sequence.
41:01
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, she sings Kate Bush,
41:05
and Kate Bush approved it. Really.
41:07
Yeah. I mean, that's wild.
41:09
That's wild. As part of the approval process,
41:11
Kate Bush had to watch the scene to check the context it was
41:15
being used in. And I find that she I find the
41:18
fact she watched Megan singing A woman's worth.
41:23
Yeah, this, this woman's work. This woman's.
41:25
Worth. Oh, is that?
41:25
Yeah. Yeah, it's a.
41:27
It's a deep cut. Not well, not a deep cut.
41:29
It's a It's an odd choice for movie.
41:33
It's not the obvious Kate Bush song.
41:36
Yeah, it was fun. It was fun.
41:38
I always think of Derry King when I think of that song.
41:41
Who is this drag king that we know who?
41:44
It's kind of like an anthropomorphized cow and milks
41:48
themselves to that song. So that added another layer of
41:51
delight for me also. So where would you stand?
41:54
Where does Megan stand to you as a kind of a a sort of a OK gay
41:58
icon? Oh no.
42:01
But like, does she have any kind of like admirable traits that
42:04
would you rate her at all? No, I think as soon as someone's
42:08
paying to have the marketing in a gay pride parade and like a
42:12
bunch of women dressed up as Megan, I'm like, no, you're
42:15
shoving it down my throat. I'm the same as you.
42:17
I don't want this. I didn't choose this Like, I
42:20
want it to be underground. I want us to have chosen it.
42:23
Us to have reclaimed it. And yeah, they leaned in too
42:27
hard. I I hated the trailer for this
42:29
movie so much. I think that is one of the real
42:32
reasons why it flopped because it was like pink explosions,
42:37
Britney Spears. Like it just felt like it was
42:40
trying so hard to market to the gaze that actually when watching
42:45
it, I was like, oh, this isn't doing that really at all.
42:48
It's a different movie. It's not a huge success, but
42:52
it's also not a failure and it's not as it's not shoving it down.
42:57
It's I'm not shoving itself down my throat as much as I thought
42:59
it was going. To be, I mean, normally you like
43:01
that, don't you? Normally when something's being
43:05
shoved down that you can't help yourself, but yeah, to ingest
43:08
it. Sorry.
43:11
But yeah, like, I guess overall, like I, I just think it wasn't
43:14
as bad as it should be when you when you describe it.
43:19
And yet it also wasn't that good.
43:21
It was just very solidly mid. But like, it was a hot day.
43:26
I had a nice time getting cool in the cinema.
43:28
It got some chuckles out of me. It was a little too long.
43:32
And I mean your, your guests that flew over from Canada, they
43:35
were loving their lives, weren't they?
43:37
Yeah, exactly, Exactly. We went with my sister and
43:39
friend Rachel, and like, yeah, they were having a lovely time.
43:42
I mean, I think everyone in the cinema had like a pretty fine
43:45
time. That's just not really a glowing
43:48
endorsement either. I think the.
43:49
Problem is as well though, is like you write, you're right
43:51
with this trailer is it's like people seem to think, and maybe
43:54
the AI research seems to think that like gays love it when you
43:58
just shout gay at their face. It's like gay rainbow fierce.
44:04
Slay. It's like hunty.
44:06
They don't, they don't seem to realise that there's, there's
44:08
more, there's more depth to kind of people and like they might
44:12
need a different kind of story to cling on to.
44:15
Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's not enough.
44:18
That's not enough. Yeah.
44:19
And so marketing it that way has obviously flopped.
44:22
And it's like probably cost this franchise its future because Dum
44:27
Dums were like, oh, we'll just do what kind of worked last
44:30
time. And also I bet it's made them go
44:32
right. We will never do anything
44:34
remotely linked to any LGBTQIA plus people because it will flop
44:39
and no one will be interested. Well, that must be so annoying,
44:42
right? Like marketing to queer people
44:44
must be so annoying because as soon as we feel like we're being
44:46
marketed to, we switch off. And then we're like, no, we only
44:50
like things that we pick as if you try and if you try and
44:53
market to us or if you try and even support us, we're going to
44:56
be like, fuck you, you and your giant corporations.
44:58
No, everything that has to be underground and weird and
45:02
countercultural or we're not interested.
45:05
Sounds about right, doesn't it? Yeah.
45:07
I mean, because she's, she's not, she's not queer though,
45:10
Megan, There's no like, you know, I wouldn't be against a
45:12
little lesbian love story between her and Casey.
45:16
Oh yeah, budding romance. That would have been cute.
45:18
But just like a cute, you know, but but that's the thing.
45:20
They weren't they were never going to do that.
45:22
No, because it's like that's when it it goes into like a
45:25
dangerous worm of being queer but just being like basically a
45:29
robotic fag hag. That's such a good description.
45:39
I remember seeing an interview and they were like, Oh my God,
45:42
does she wait? Megan is serving looks.
45:45
You will not be ready when you see her, Bob.
45:48
I fucking hated that Bob. Yes, and they made such a big
45:52
deal of it. Do you think they did the trans
45:57
flag colours the little highlights in a house on purpose
46:00
or? Isn't it?
46:01
No, I think that's. Just was that hunty sleigh?
46:03
What does that mean? I think that was just you.
46:07
Yeah, but they get Megan to dance again and it's really
46:10
annoying. It doesn't work.
46:12
And like the line, hold on to your vaginas.
46:15
Hold on to your vaginas. It's not, it's not that funny,
46:19
but like you could tell they're like, yeah, this is the one
46:22
that's going to get them. Yeah, exactly.
46:24
And even when like what you see, I'm sorry listeners, but like, I
46:28
can't even remember the names of the characters because it it was
46:31
just one of those things that was like an enjoyable 2 hours.
46:34
But just kind of like you say that about a lot of things,
46:37
couldn't you? Yeah, you do in two hours.
46:39
You don't you? They don't make a lasting impact
46:41
on you always, do they? Yeah, in fact, some of them you
46:44
just block out. Yeah, but yeah, it's this.
46:47
So the mum, not the mum, the sister character, whatever her
46:50
bloody name is, when she kind of has the chip, she's so she gets
46:54
chipped and has Megan in her brain and basically becomes
46:59
slightly schizophrenic at some point, which is problematic.
47:03
But there's that bit where she like when Megan is kind of
47:06
inside of her. So therefore she's getting
47:08
violent. And then Megan's like, I know
47:11
you're enjoying this. I know your heart rate is going
47:13
up. I was like, oh, that's, that's
47:14
an interesting area. If we were back in the horror
47:18
realm. But you know, oh shit, Like
47:20
she's getting kind of possessed by this and like she's getting
47:23
off on the violence and getting off on that.
47:25
Yeah, because she's so repressed and.
47:27
Again, there's like this thing with this, this character, she's
47:31
meant to be like an incredible scientist, so incredible in her
47:35
field of AI that you know the FBI and other kind of world
47:39
leaders want her. But yet the only real conflict
47:45
she has other than like this bitchy robo fag is that her love
47:49
interest is also a bit evil and like he might he might reprogram
47:54
her. It's so basic and redundant.
47:57
Yeah. Like there's no, like there's
47:58
no, you know, like she doesn't get tempted by AI or anything.
48:02
She's just this kind of like wet nothing woman.
48:07
Well, they spend so much time on these set pieces and this, these
48:11
plot things that don't matter. Instead of yeah, thinking about
48:15
character, like there's so many mentions about, like, how can
48:20
Gemma afford to live in this house?
48:22
Yeah. And it's like, I guess you're
48:24
supposed to understand that, like, Megan set it up for her
48:27
and like has been pulling strings behind the scenes to
48:30
like, give them this fancy house, but they're like, I don't
48:33
care. Just like.
48:35
It's like, hello, we've seen these movies before.
48:38
Everybody always lives outside of their means.
48:40
We never question it, you know? Oh, I'm.
48:43
Just like over explain this stuff.
48:44
I'm a lonely writer. This just arrived in New York.
48:47
You know, I'm 23, and I live in a loft apartment in Brooklyn.
48:51
It's like, yeah, we're buying it.
48:54
And yeah, that's just like one example, but there's just so
48:56
much, so many things like that. You're like, why is this being
49:00
so explained? Can we just have like some fun
49:02
action sequences and like, get back to the roots, you know?
49:08
And it's like they also give Megan this, like, redemption arc
49:12
as well. Yeah.
49:13
I'm like, they sort of make her understand that, you know,
49:18
killing people isn't maybe the most useful way of being and.
49:23
I think I would have been OK with that.
49:25
Obviously I'm not. I'm like, no, yeah, keep, keep
49:28
it edgy. Sure, sure, sure, sure.
49:30
We've got, we've got this, we've got this robo fag on our side,
49:33
but she's a robo fag now. She's not a robo fag gag.
49:37
We've got this robo fag on our side.
49:39
And you know, I'm kind of like hanging around with her.
49:41
Let's hope she doesn't kill my next boyfriend.
49:43
Whoa, do you know what I mean? For sure.
49:45
Sure, Sure, Sure. Sure, sure, sure.
49:46
Sure. Yeah.
49:47
I don't need her to be good. Keep her dangerous.
49:51
Well, this is what I was saying. And I don't know if we're going
49:53
to get a Megan 3 now just because, as you said, this is
49:55
like doomed at the box office. But like, I felt like the
49:59
trajectory of where they were going with this movie was that
50:01
like when KG grows up and maybe starts dating and having her
50:04
first boyfriend, then Megan's going to become like the
50:07
jealous, you know, overprotective parent buff and
50:10
the bride style. OK, what about the gowns, the
50:15
costumes, the visual look of it all?
50:18
OK, the gowns. It's giving AI to me in the
50:23
sense of like it just. It's fine.
50:26
Yeah. Like not there wasn't really
50:28
anything that I was like particularly cool.
50:31
And I love, I'm like you. I love like a bit of sci-fi.
50:34
I love a bit of sort of superhero.
50:35
I love a bit of fantasy, you know.
50:39
You know, I like a kind of a cool robo suit or something.
50:42
And again, I was just like, it's like the robo suit made me think
50:46
of Kylie Minogue's Wow Wow Wow video.
50:49
Oh yeah, yeah, I see that. A Kylie Minogue pop video from
50:53
15 years ago, essentially. Yeah, the first movie I think
51:00
was quite cool in doing that uncanny valley thing where
51:04
you're like, you're not sure if you're watching CGI or not.
51:07
And like the the way Megan moves is creepy and weird and there's
51:12
like something kind of off with it all.
51:14
And it's like they did a good job of like blurring the line
51:17
between reality and CGI and robotics and real life.
51:22
This one I felt lent too far into the CGI.
51:24
So I just felt a lot of times like I was watching just like
51:27
entire scenes that were computer generated and there weren't any
51:31
real people on screen. Yeah.
51:34
And so then you're like, well, I don't care what they're wearing
51:36
or, or what they're doing because it's just doesn't feel
51:40
real anymore. It like, took me out of it.
51:43
Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
51:48
Or should we rate it then? Let's rate it.
51:50
Let's rate it. So we need to give it a score
51:53
out of 10 for Merrells. I'm Julia Child.
51:57
For the quality of the movie. Bon appetit.
52:01
I mean, it's zero to me. 0. Yeah, it's a zero.
52:07
It's like so much money has been spent on this film, and it's
52:10
just such like a hodgepodge of genres and ideas.
52:15
And it's kind of like if you've got that much money to spend on
52:17
something, I think it must be quite difficult to like, I did
52:20
not create something possible. Do you know what I mean?
52:23
I just, I just looking back on it, I'm just, there's just
52:26
nothing of any real worth to it as a.
52:28
Film. I, I, I mean, I agree with you.
52:30
It doesn't have anything to say, but I did.
52:33
I think because I sat there and enjoyed it.
52:35
It must have been there, was there.
52:38
Wasn't. Didn't ask me if I enjoyed it
52:41
though. I know because that's when the
52:43
Liza scale hits. Yeah.
52:45
I think for me it's like in, it's like a four.
52:49
I thought the writing was terrible, I thought the acting
52:52
was terrible, I thought it was shot really badly.
52:56
Fair, fair. Yeah, I think, I think it's like
52:58
a four for me. I think it was just basically it
53:00
was very safe and passable and it wasn't what I wanted it to
53:04
be, but it like what it was. I guess it was like a bad
53:08
version of that, but not like the worst version of that, if
53:11
that makes sense. But yeah, live your truth,
53:14
sweetie. Yeah, I just.
53:16
Yeah, I just, it just didn't feel like a kind of a quality
53:19
product. It felt like it felt like what
53:21
we've been talking about all this episode, like it felt like
53:24
Chat GPTGPTGPT has generated a possible funny action movie and
53:31
this is what the outcome would be.
53:33
Yeah, fair. OK, well what about Liza's for
53:38
the camp factor? I think this is quite
53:40
interesting because we're kind of in the midst of a film and we
53:45
don't normally have something. We don't normally analyze films
53:48
that are this like fresh out the gate, do we?
53:50
We normally have them to like marinade because like, one of
53:53
the things I thought about this movie is about how badly it's
53:57
going to age, especially when like, I guess when technology
54:01
becomes more superior. And I was like, I can't imagine.
54:05
I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not Mystic Meg.
54:07
I can't look into the future, but I can't imagine that this is
54:09
really where technology is going to head.
54:11
But maybe we will have Megan S things on our laptop following
54:16
us around as robots. So I think I think it's got
54:18
potential to age badly. I think it is obviously a box
54:23
office flop and we love something flaccid, don't we?
54:28
I think a lot of it's humour is is based around kind of current
54:33
trends. So again, I think that has
54:36
potential to get terrible. And I love a fallen diva.
54:41
You know, I love some. I love an underdog story, and
54:43
that's where. There's a lot of tragedy
54:45
happening with Megan. Yeah, she's like kind of fallen
54:48
off her pedestal and isn't quite the hot property we used to be.
54:51
So I think there's a lot of potential for this to be a
54:54
future camp classic. I can see that.
54:58
So where we sit now though? Yeah, I think in 10 years time,
55:04
I think if we were to do this again, I think I would be giving
55:06
a higher school. But right now I'm going to give
55:08
it. Oh, oh, I mean, I did laugh.
55:15
I'm going to give it a four. Right.
55:18
Yeah. Queer joy?
55:21
No. No.
55:24
Underdog flop vibes, sort of. But like, it's also a really big
55:33
budget thing, but it is flopping.
55:34
But it's like also very mainstream stupid fun.
55:41
Sure, I could give it some stupid fun.
55:44
Ongoing legacy. I mean, time will tell, but it's
55:48
hard to say. Yeah, I think I'm with you and
55:53
yeah, I'll meet you at a four. I'll meet you at a four.
55:55
And like, you know what? I could see this at A7 one day.
56:00
Yeah, maybe, maybe. But you know, it's it's like,
56:05
you know, are we all of those people that when they first saw
56:07
barbed wire, they just didn't get it?
56:11
And that and that is our perfect scoring film, isn't it?
56:14
So like, you know, so maybe this is maybe she has maybe Megan has
56:21
what was the the last show girl in her.
56:24
Maybe Megan has that as a trajectory.
56:26
She's the next Pamela Anderson. Oh, so in 30 years we'll be
56:30
watching Megan as like a washed up housebot?
56:33
Yeah. Who?
56:36
Who just wants to slay? Yeah, he just wants to.
56:38
Slay one more day. But no, but I'm like, I am glad
56:42
that we saw something that was like new.
56:44
I do think it's good for us to like look at something new.
56:46
But I just think it, I think a lot of joy we get in this
56:49
podcast is like when people have been able to make movies and
56:52
they've been able to do something genuinely like
56:54
subversive and clever with it, even though it's a mainstream
56:57
release. And this just feels soulless and
57:00
doesn't feel like it's got any real kind of talent behind it.
57:05
So. It feels like a cash grab,
57:06
doesn't it? Yeah.
57:10
And if and if we can't have something that is on purpose
57:12
subversive, we love something that's been subverted in the
57:15
decades since it was released. And totally.
57:17
That people have thought about a lot and like found something in.
57:21
And also just just as we're talking now, like like a film
57:25
comes to mind that it's not the same genre, but it did have a
57:27
big budget new release and it was like stupid like Austin
57:30
Powers, Powersy, Barb and Star. Right.
57:33
Yeah, and that is an example of like a really kind of commercial
57:37
big film. I think it's just great because
57:40
there's talent behind it and there's like passion in in what
57:43
they've made. But it is still a big, goofy,
57:45
stupid movie. Yeah, it's got weirdness baked
57:48
into it. Yeah, yeah, you're so right.
57:50
They'll probably do a sequel of that and it'll be shit.
57:56
I also wonder if we're just irritable because we're like
57:58
drowning. Really warmly.
58:00
Fluid I'd be. I'd be intrigued to see what
58:03
people thought though if they did, if they think we are being
58:05
too harsh with this. Yeah, well, if you saw this
58:07
movie, let us know. Send us a Send us Adm.
58:10
It turns out there weren't really that many spoilers,
58:12
actually. So can we just retract all of
58:13
our spoiler alerts? Yeah, OK.
58:16
As I say, there's not nothing really happens that matters in
58:18
this movie to spoil. No.
58:20
Anyway, yeah, let us know what you think of this movie.
58:23
Give us a five star rating wherever you're listening, and I
58:27
guess we'll be back in two more weeks with some more camp
58:29
classics. Yeah, and I guess if you want to
58:32
let go of your vaginas now, you're more than welcome to.
58:35
Thank you for listening. Bye.
58:39
Get away from her, you bitch. Classic.
58:44
He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
58:47
right before she died. No, Hannah thought.
58:55
You become a prostitute or a dog at it.
58:57
I used to love doggy chow. I used to love doggy chow too.