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Season 1 Recap · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh God. Oh my God.
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Daddy, that's not going to make sense in chronological order.
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No, that's a call for that in like a couple of weeks.
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Yeah, so there's a sneak preview to what's coming for you.
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What's coming for your ear holes?
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Yeah, it made me unhappy.
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It'll make it'll make you unhappy, too.
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That's a cage match promise.
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So I guess we should say welcome back to cage match,
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call in a roundabout way of meeting Nicholas Cage.
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I'm Sean here with my co-host Nick and our producer Peter.
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Hi. And this is a special episode.
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We're going to kind of look back at the last.
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However long this has been over a year.
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Yeah, it's I think we've gotten 15 months into this.
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That's pretty good. 14 months.
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No, going out 15. Yeah, that's a long haul.
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We we got 15 more months to go to.
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Yeah, we really did commit to this thing, didn't we?
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It was a lot of dedication to hanging out together.
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That's the worst part.
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I mean, we do hang out together a lot,
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but I feel like this is kind of this is kind of a doubling down of the situation.
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What do you guys think?
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Do you want to just run quickly through the bracket
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and talk about any that like really stood out to you?
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I could do that. Sure.
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Yeah. Guide me through this experience.
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Yeah. Let's let's take a look back on the previous year.
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From the from the beginning, where did we start off?
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So we started off with Face Off and Jujitsu.
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That was the right call.
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It was a great way to start this off. High highs and low lows. Yeah.
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My only regret on this one is
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this sort of the fault of my finding these movies is that
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that really was not a Nick Cage movie.
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Although the only thing that was notable about it was Nick Cage.
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So maybe it is. Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, it was more of a Nick Cage movie than Kick Ass turns out to be.
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Again, spoilers for the future.
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Now, yeah, I remember him being in that a lot more.
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I mean, he made an impact, certainly.
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Just like he did in Jujitsu.
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True. And we're back on track.
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Perfect. Thanks, Sean. Good segue.
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What's that?
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But it also defined a lot of a lot of good things for us,
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like genital swap technology. Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah, we started strong.
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So then next up, we went into adaptation and Army of One,
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which is probably one of our more contentious decisions.
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Yeah, I'll get a lot of shit for that.
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And that's fine. Rightfully so.
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But I still hold to my argument at the moment of
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if I was going to show somebody a Nicholas Cage movie,
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like if we were just hanging out 90 percent of the time,
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I would show them Army of One before I showed them adaptation,
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despite how good adaptation is.
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Yeah, you're not wrong.
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Yeah, I know. It's still a fair argument.
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I just am like a little cranky about it.
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I mean, what other movie starts off with Nicholas Cage
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flying through the air on a red, white and blue hang glider
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with the boombox and a katana? Yeah, there can be only one.
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I mean, that is kind of a quintessential Nick Cage performance.
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And the voice, the voice was just incredible as well.
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It's a real delight. Ma'am.
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Yeah, we'll get back into that soon enough.
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I can't wait to talk about that one again.
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See, I'm already glad it won.
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I never regretted that decision.
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Yeah, I suppose. Spoiler alert for anyone listening to this.
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But I assume you've listened to most of our back catalog at this point.
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But yeah, we're going to talk about which ones win.
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Oh, yeah. Don't start in this episode, dummy. Idiot.
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So, yeah, then we went into Pig and Left Behind.
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Pig was a big breakout for me.
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And no regrets. No regrets there.
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Moving past Left Behind. Left Behind.
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I mean, we left that behind. It is one of my bottom three.
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It's definitely a bottom.
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This is a bad bottom. Birdie and the Wicker Man.
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I completely stand by my decision to have Wicker Man go forward.
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That movie is unhinged.
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It's a really terrific movie. He punches so many women.
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He does punch a lot of women.
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I just hope more people watch Birdie because it is a great movie.
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You should. Yeah.
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Also, we established the rule that if if a woman is trying to burn you.
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Yeah, you can punch her. You get one free punch. Yeah.
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Yeah. If you're going to punch a woman, make sure she tries to light you on fire.
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Yeah. And that I think that caveat needs to be there.
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Not just burnt, but trying to light you on fire.
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Moving on.
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So this was my least favorite week ever.
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Oh, Ghost Rider was terrific.
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You knew it right away. Yeah. Ghost Rider versus Doug.
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Ghost Rider is so amazing.
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You guys are wrong and dumb. It's so funny. I quit.
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But as bad as dog eat dog is, it's also terrific.
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I got Willem Dafoe does have Willem.
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I don't have any notes in front of me, so I don't remember who the other.
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He was a nobody. Yeah.
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He was some like Will Sasso looking to.
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I was going to say not Will Sasso.
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He was in Army of One.
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It could happen to you versus racing with the moon.
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That was the Sean Penn movie.
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Yeah. Where we saw Sean Penn's ball sack. Yeah.
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Which was good in the moonlight.
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It was just like, you know, ball sack.
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Yeah. Daytime ball sack as he jumps into some water.
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I mean, so many of these films kind of followed the same rough arc
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that a lot of them are bleeding together.
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How many movies have we seen Sean Penn's ball sack in?
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I can say one.
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They work at the bowling alley, right? Yeah. All right.
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And he does that sweet dance move. I did like him in that.
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That was a good movie. I actually really like that one.
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It was a good movie. Oh, and our first little creeper dude that I love.
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Willem. Oh, Willard.
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Willard. Yeah.
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God, I sat next to this guy in a in a.
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Yeah, I know.
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I'm going to leave all this nonsense in here, too, where we're just like that guy.
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I make it.
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It's Crispin Glover. I love Crispin Glover.
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I forgot he's in that place, such a tool bag.
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Yeah, he does. But he's on his butthole later.
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He made at least enough of an impact that I got to see.
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They're like, remember him now. Yeah.
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He's a real fucking asshole on that.
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It could happen to you, though, I think was the better performance by Nick Cage.
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And whereas Racing with the Moon was really Sean Pence balls.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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They they took the spotlight.
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All right. Then we went on to World Trade Center and Frozen Ground.
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That was a bleak.
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That was that was pretty rough.
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Frozen Ground was a cool was a good little crime drama.
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I mean, one of those based on actual event stories.
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So it's very dry, but compelling.
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And Evil Cusack was fun to watch.
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And Nick Cage put a really solid performance on.
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And there was more boobs than a World Trade Center.
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It did have Michael Payne there.
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And it did have Michael Shannon to all the Michaels, all the Michaels.
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Every Michael was in the movie.
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I just remember that movie being as much of a fucking conspiracy
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or set up as the whole actual 9-11.
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Yeah. Being funded by people who were involved
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just so they could tell their story and like sell books and shit.
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Yeah, that's kind of fucked up. Yeah.
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Yes. Then we ended up going to National Treasure
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Book of Secrets and Sorcerer's Apprentice.
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I'm glad we did the sequel to National Treasure
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before we did the first National Treasure.
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100 percent. Definitely like the second one more.
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Second one's a lot of fun.
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And if I had already been kind of like biased by watching the first one first,
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I might not have enjoyed it as much.
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Yeah. Although I do think I do think we sent Sorcerer's Apprentice ahead.
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We did, which I think was the right choice, because that movie is a lot of fun.
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Oh, that was also our first double Brockheimer, wasn't it?
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It was. No, that was Turtletop, right?
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Oh, oh, yeah, that was two Turtletops.
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Two Turtles, but also two Brockheimer films and two Brockheimer films.
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Yeah, it was a lot of Brockheimer and two Turtletops.
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But the Brockheimer.
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Then, yeah, we went to Red Rock West,
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what request against Dying of the Light that was like a second trader.
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Yeah. And the worst, the worst one, because it just was it didn't even have
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like weird, unhinged parts of it.
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No, it was just real boring.
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Red Rock West is probably the thing that I've got out of this
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that I secretly like love the most.
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Like that's probably up there with one of my favorite Nick Cage movies.
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It's so weird and strange and funny.
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Yeah, it's just a different kind of storytelling.
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Yeah, like it wasn't afraid to just like, I don't know how to describe it.
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No, it's like it's a weird comedy of errors.
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Everyone's out for themselves, but it's a lot of fun.
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Yeah. Go watch that.
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Then, yeah, we went to Raising Arizona and Trapped in Paradise.
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Oh, Trapped in Paradise.
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That one was just awful.
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Really interesting behind the scenes, like stuff behind it.
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But the movie itself is so bad. It's dumb.
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It's what you would expect to watch on Comedy Central when you're like
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hung over a shit on a Saturday morning or 12 or 12.
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Yeah, it's a shitty movie. Don't watch that movie.
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But Raising Arizona, unless you need a Nicolas Cage Christmas movie.
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Yes. Then you can watch it.
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Yeah. So then leaving Las Vegas and the runner trying to remember what the runner was.
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It was like a Mississippi politician.
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Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Another very sure.
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Not a bad performance, but just nothing substance in the film.
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Yeah, it was a nothing burger.
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Could be good if it were done differently and had like a good quality writer.
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Yeah. But so if you just did it differently and somebody else wrote it.
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New cast. Yeah.
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New director photography.
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Still Nicolas Cage.
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But no, obviously. Otherwise, we wouldn't bother talking about.
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But he would play the wife role.
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Oh, that'd be great. Yeah.
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Then we had Color Out of Space and Looking Glass.
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Color Out of Space is the movie that gave me the idea for this podcast,
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because I was thoroughly in the camp of, oh, Nick Cage is just a bad actor
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in a lot of things. And I saw this film assuming it would be bad
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because most Lovecraft adaptations are bad. Exactly.
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And just like he was great in it.
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The movie itself is a lot of fun.
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It's a great adaptation of my favorite Lovecraft story.
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Really enjoy this one.
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Yeah, that was a really cool one.
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And the art direction in the movie really kind of blew me away
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because their use of colors was just super like strong and vivid.
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And it caught my attention.
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The one downside to this one being the director had like a trilogy planned
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and then got canceled immediately after this came out.
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Yeah. He had some domestic abuse allegations at the time.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Not good.
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Fucking stop hitting your wives, dudes.
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Unless they try and light you on fire. Right.
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Yeah. Then you get one.
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So speaking of hitting women, because I think that happens in this one, too.
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Drive angry and stolen with the next movie.
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Oh, yeah. So drive angry.
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I don't remember why we fucked how we fucked this one up as bad as we did.
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Didn't stolen go ahead?
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Stolen did advance. Yeah.
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Why? Because you're more interested in heists.
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It was it was a top to bottom stolen had a more cohesive story
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was what we kind of decided.
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I think I like the idea of drive angry more than I enjoy the film. Well,
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it also was like thoroughly in that three D realm.
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Oh, yeah. Like an axe flying at the screen.
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Yeah. Jesus, this is fucking insufferable.
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I think it's also just like 20 minutes too long to keep my attention.
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So Peggy Sue got married in the family, man.
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He like falls asleep and he's like a hot shot.
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Fuck wakes up with kids and stuff.
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Yeah. Like some of those high school girls to love that.
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And yeah, it's sells itself as kind of like a comedy romp.
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And it's just depressing.
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Right. And Jeremy Piven is his his like, oh, man.
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Yeah. The first time Jeremy Piven's just a solid dude
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instead of just being a shitty bro.
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Fuck. Yeah.
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That was a good performance by Jeremy Piven. It was.
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Then we moved on to City of Angels and Kiss of Death.
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City of Angels sucks. That's for sure.
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Oh, three. Our first.
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Yeah, he he lifts Hope Davis.
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The bench presses are hope.
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Yeah, it's his first first appearance as a heel trucks, a guy via the neck.
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Oh, from a cab.
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I loved his bedazzled inhaler, though.
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Yeah, that was fucking great.
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Yeah, it was definitely his like buffest role.
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Yeah. Yeah. And he's like cut out tank tops.
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Yeah. Sexy mother.
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That was a good role. Yeah, I like that one.
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We picked right. Yeah.
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No, that was good. I enjoyed that a lot.
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I'm looking forward to representing that.
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Vampires kiss in between worlds.
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That was a weird week. Weird week for sure.
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It was one of those ones where I had to watch vampires kiss twice
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to really appreciate how good it is.
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Oh, that one's right up there with like
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raising Arizona for me and just like absurd.
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Loved it from the get go kind of movies.
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Vampires Kiss is the one I tried to watch on an airplane,
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but there were a lot of boobs.
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So I had to like, I mean, I did watch it all, but I had to shield it a lot.
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Yeah, that's that's one of those movies that like I
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I really appreciate how much of it is existing in the zeitgeist for everybody.
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Like everyone just knows certain bits and pieces of that movie.
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And like there are other, you know, even if it's just like stills from it.
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Right. Exactly.
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It's a very memeable movie, and I think it's really made an impact.
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Then we went to The Rock and Bangkok Dangerous,
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the fucking one of the worst movies.
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Yeah, the Rock's pretty rough.
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You hate Bangkok Dangerous, too.
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No, I definitely hate Bangkok.
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Bangkok Dangerous is bad.
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It's just boring is the problem.
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Like it's not bad as much as it just doesn't give you anything.
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Like it just sucks. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Then Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent and The Trust.
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I loved The Trust.
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And while I like I'm very worried about talent is a lot of fun.
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I think I'd rather watch the trust again.
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I know I'm bearable weight went forward.
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But yeah. Oh, the trust was the did not go ahead.
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Elijah Wood, Elijah Wood movie.
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That one was fine, but I don't.
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It never really like piqued me while Unbearable Weight
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at least got me laughing and rolling on a consistent basis.
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Yeah. Yeah. Unbearable Weight's just a more consistent movie.
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I mean, it doesn't offer anything to the greater pantheon of Nicolas Cage.
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Oh, little Nicky.
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Aside from like good fan service.
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And we know that Nick Cage smooch is good.
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And he deserves a fan service movie. That's true.
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And once you have 100 titles to your name or 100 credits to your name,
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you deserve to have a movie that just kind of toots your own horn.
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I love a good self tooting.
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Man, if I could toot my horn.
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Yeah. So then it was Joe and Zonda Lee.
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That's a weird movie.
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That was a great week.
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I wish both of them could have gone forward.
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I understand that obviously Zonda sucks a lot.
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But I just want more people to see it.
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Also, it's just watch that.
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I'm upset that movie is not memed more.
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It's so weird him with the paint, like just splashing it all over his face. Yeah.
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And just judge Reinhold's like slow turn to the camera.
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Oh, man. Am I the cuck?
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All right. Go watch Zonda Lee.
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Yeah. Also, where we where we learn the proper pronunciation of Kukul.
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No, we didn't.
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Apparently across the board, we did not.
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And we had a Mandy and Prisoners of the Ghostland.
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That was a great week.
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Mandy was a terrific.
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I love Mandy.
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This is this is maybe one of my only like regret ones.
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I think Mandy is a great movie and I'm excited to watch it again
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and have like fresh eyes on it.
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But like, it's so gross to watch that it like doesn't bring me joy.
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And Prisoners of the Ghostland was fucking ridiculous.
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And it brought me constant joy. Yeah.
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Samurai Town was super weird. Yeah.
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Like everything about prisoners was odd.
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Yeah. The same.
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The color palette was jarring.
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But I'm saying that as a compliment, I guess.
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It really upset me.
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Go about it. Go about it.
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That movie fucking rules.
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Watch that movie. That's a weird one.
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I just I loved I loved.
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I mean, it's terrible.
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Start to finish everything about it.
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It's weird hour long intro, which just leads into the hyper violence.
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Yeah, I mean, they're both great.
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But that is one of my only like I'm a little salty
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that it couldn't have been both of them.
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Yeah. Then we had National Treasure and Primal.
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Mm hmm.
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This is one of the ones that I had to choose on.
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We had we had Peter made Nick and I leave our knives at the door for this one.
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Yeah, because we all know who would win in a knife fight.
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Yeah, not me. Peter.
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Why? Because he has all the knives now.
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Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, I have to. You have none.
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Man, I still hold that in this matchup, my time is gold.
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And the fact that I could spend a half an hour less watching Primal
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and just enjoy a shitty movie versus a two hour
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Brockheimer kind of just mid movie.
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I just think Nick K just so much better.
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So forgettable in Primal.
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Aside from marching down a staircase,
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we're going to get into a second fight again.
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Oh, see. So it's not even until the second one that I give a shit about that.
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I love him in National Treasure one. I think he's I think he's great. Yeah.
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It's a fine movie, but I don't have two hours for that.
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He's just such a shitty person on top of everything else in Primal.
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I'm still going to watch that movie periodically and talk to Sean about it.
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Well, you're going to make Sean watch it occasionally, too. Yeah.
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So I'm just going to slip it in primal.
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And I'll put the movie on to
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grow. Then we went to the Valley Girl
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and Weatherman matchup with Shay as our guest.
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I watched Weatherman like when it first came out on DVD
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and I remembered it being great.
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And then I watched it almost 20 years later.
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And it's still great. Yeah. I love that movie.
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I was about to get upset.
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No, the weatherman was a terrific film. He gets chicken nuggets thrown at him.
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I'm sad, though, because Valley Girl was ridiculous,
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like such a goofy snapshot of the 80s kind of a movie.
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Yeah. And I really enjoyed that.
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And the music was really good, too.
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It had a great soundtrack and it was a terrific 80s teen movie.
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And it was Windtalkers and bringing out the dead.
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That was a intense episode.
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That was a lot. And just fucking it was on.
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Woo makes shorter films. Yeah.
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You you don't have that much to say.
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I really like bringing out the dead.
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Absolutely terrific movie.
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Windtalkers was good.
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That was also the first time I'd seen a war movie in a while, too.
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The definite easy choice was bringing out the dead and the correct choice.
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The next episode that we ran into was where I lost my shit
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because it was mom and dad versus next.
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It's weird listening to myself, like absolutely busting up laughing.
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Jessica Biel exploding is the funniest thing ever.
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It is. And they show it so many times.
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And it comes out of nowhere.
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She just explodes.
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I mean, she's tied to a chair of C4, but you don't expect her to actually explode.
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That one was amazing, though. I loved it.
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I hate that movie so much. So terrible.
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But that episode is great.
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And we had Conair and rage with my brother.
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Oh, yeah. Your brother was in rage.
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Yeah, exactly. He was in rage.
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We were recording with us. Yes.
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Conair easily my favorite of the action
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like the main action trilogy of cage films.
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I think I have to agree with that.
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Yeah. Like Moonstruck and Honeymoon in Vegas.
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Good match up.
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Honeymoon in Vegas is such a weird film where I don't like anybody.
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It is a nice to, you know, romantic comedy kind of movies
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about similar infidelity themes and stuff.
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You know, it was a good time. Share.
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Share is great. Share.
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Yeah, sure was great.
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Got to find out. I make a decent share.
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People in the Seattle area.
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Cif is going to be showing Moonstruck in their theaters in October.
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I think it's like late October. So there you go.
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I could be wrong about that. Look at the CIF website.
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I don't know if you're not in Seattle. Cool.
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Thanks for listening.
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Oh, also to our Richmond listeners, I don't know if this happened yet,
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but the bird is doing a cage match for movie Nick Cage series.
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Not related. Not related to us.
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They're just calling it the same thing. Yeah.
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Punks. Yeah. Ding, dong.
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Yeah. So I don't know.
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Look out there. There's there's Nicholas Cage movies.
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People love Nicholas Cage wherever you're at.
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Then we had Lord of War and Captain Kareli's Mandolin,
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which was one of the weirder.
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I was expecting that movie to be so much worse considering how much like
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flak it gets like out there.
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But it's a fine. It's a fine little film.
20:45
Yeah, it's fine.
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It's exactly what I would expect to watch on like a Sunday afternoon on network TV.
20:51
I don't think Lord of War is getting a lot of Sunday afternoon play.
20:54
I also thought I really expected Lord of War to be better, too.
20:57
Yeah, that's kind of my my thinking, too.
21:00
It really kind of it's all downhill after the opening sequence of the bullet
21:04
going through its lifecycle.
21:07
And some of the credits were your favorite part.
21:10
Open credits.
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I mean, that movie is good for its time period in the cage geography.
21:16
Yeah, it just didn't have a lot to stand up against.
21:19
It was probably his biggest movie with a couple of years on either side of it.
21:23
I just don't think that movie had anything to say in the end.
21:25
No, there was no.
21:27
Apparently enough that they think they're going to do the sequel.
21:28
But then we had Wild at Heart and Knowing with Daryl.
21:33
Terrific. Loved Wild at Heart.
21:35
Yeah, such a fucking.
21:36
We got to see that in a SIF event.
21:38
Yeah, that was a really fun recording, too.
21:40
I had a blast with that one.
21:41
Yeah. Thanks, Daryl.
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You're a mensch. Yeah.
21:44
Oh, and we are in spider season now.
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So, you know, enjoy that.
21:48
Yeah. And we were cocky the other day and we were like,
21:49
a good thing we're done with spider season.
21:51
Well, the rain started early.
21:52
Then I caught one right in the face in the morning.
21:54
Yeah. Fuck. Never let your guard down.
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Still in the beginnings.
21:57
You know. All right.
21:58
This is in we're in the last round through the bracket here.
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This is our last four episodes was Gone in 60 Seconds
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and Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance.
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I like how Ghost Rider gets its redemption with its unhinged sequel.
22:09
It is very bad shit.
22:11
I love it.
22:12
I wish there was a little more of an attempt to connect to the two movies.
22:17
I mean, these are two definite standalones.
22:19
The only thing that's consistent is Nicholas Cage. Yeah.
22:22
It's it's a complete performance.
22:24
It's not consistent.
22:25
No, it's a complete reboot.
22:27
And I like the idea that he's not like peak superhero guy anymore.
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Like he never takes his jacket off.
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He's a bitch, lovey, but his power comes from like hell.
22:36
Hell. It's true.
22:38
All right. Then it was a matchstick man in guarding tests.
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Two weird movies.
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Yeah. I'm a little surprised that you guys went with the guarding tests victory.
22:47
It makes sense.
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But I feel like it was such a slow paced movie
22:52
that really didn't have a ton to do.
22:54
At least it's sold on the relationship between him and Tess.
22:59
Yeah.
22:59
And I really like their performances together.
23:03
The ending is where it loses me.
23:04
Whereas with matchstick men, I don't
23:08
I don't like the father daughter relationship.
23:10
It made me uncomfortable.
23:11
Yeah.
23:12
You know, it made me very uncomfortable for a long time.
23:15
Well, because like from the get go, I'm like, you're clearly an adult woman.
23:20
So you're conning this guy and it's just it's uncomfortable.
23:23
I guess I just don't like seeing people with disabilities
23:26
taking advantage of so strongly.
23:28
Yeah, that's that's kind of weird.
23:30
Use that.
23:31
Don't like I'm usually very pro take advantage of people, but
23:36
in this situation, I'm like, oh, come on.
23:39
Come on, Sam Rockwell.
23:40
Good move. Real dick move.
23:43
Oh, yeah. And then it was bad lieutenant port of call New Orleans and eight millimeter.
23:47
I am also a little surprised that one of our hottest weeks
23:51
that we went with the snuff film.
23:53
Yeah, I'm a little surprised by it.
23:54
It's a good movie.
23:55
It's a really good movie.
23:56
I thought about it more after recording that one.
23:59
And I think I agree with you.
24:01
I just I really liked the the zany fucking performance of Bad Lieutenant
24:05
a little bit more.
24:06
But the movie eight millimeter is a better.
24:08
I think Bad Lieutenant could have been better if it built
24:12
to the pure insanity of his drug addled mind.
24:15
It just goes from I'm I'm a I'm a shitty cop.
24:19
I'm a shitty cop to just insanity.
24:22
There's no bill to it.
24:23
And it's not a great film.
24:24
I think if the film had been built so that everybody else
24:28
and everything else about the movie was super straight, like crime drama,
24:35
get Val Kilmer to like pull it back a little bit, do these little things
24:39
and make everybody super serious and then let Nicholas Cage
24:43
take it even up one more notch. Yeah.
24:46
And have some kind of like
24:49
Chuck's visual.
24:50
No, just like a visual distinction in all of the like weird
24:54
like a guano visions and things like that.
24:56
Did love a guano vision. More a guano.
24:57
Yeah. But like have Nicholas Cage in his own movie, essentially.
25:03
Yeah. OK.
25:04
Existing in that world.
25:05
If they had done that, maybe I would have to see it.
25:09
I mean, we're still talking about Werner Werner Herzog.
25:12
But but I still love eight millimeter.
25:14
Eight millimeter was terrific.
25:15
It's a good movie.
25:16
And it's one of those things where what's the director?
25:20
Dude, nipples on the nipples on the bat.
25:22
So Joel Schumacher, where his weird kind of unhinged
25:26
like cinematography really lends itself to the uncomfortableness of the film.
25:31
Like, I see why he was the name he was, because as a child of the late 90s,
25:36
all I know knew him from was the worst Batman films,
25:41
not the worst Batman film.
25:42
That's still The Dark Knight Rises.
25:45
True. Yeah, we did get to watch a little bit of Batman and Robin
25:49
at the bar the other day. Yeah.
25:50
And it was good. It was a lot of fun.
25:52
I used to meet you.
25:53
I got to read all the Bane lines, which were just girl.
25:58
It will be very painful for you.
26:01
Explosions.
26:05
And then we wrapped up our season with Willy's Wonderland and Snake Eyes.
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The best way to end this was with Willy's Wonderland.
26:12
Yeah, that's a popcorn finale for sure.
26:14
Definitely. Snake Eyes is fine.
26:16
Snake Eyes is fine.
26:17
It was an enjoyable movie.
26:20
It doesn't hold up strongly in rewatches,
26:24
just because you know everything that's going to happen.
26:26
Well, 30 minutes into the movie, you also know everything
26:28
that's going to happen 30 minutes of the movie the first time you watch it,
26:31
because they tell you who the bad guy is. Yeah.
26:33
So it's hard to watch like an additional three and a half hours of that movie.
26:38
Yeah. Knowing all the conceits.
26:40
Yeah. But Willy's Wonderland, Nicholas Cage doesn't say anything.
26:44
And he still feels the show is going to happen.
26:46
You don't even need a conceit. Yeah, it's great.
26:49
So there's kids that are there providing dialogue that don't matter.
26:52
Punch soda. Regardless, he's going to play pinball.
26:56
And if you say that word, I refuse to say the second word.
27:01
So that was season one done.
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That's our cover.
27:07
Brief recap as as we only know how to do very long.
27:12
I enjoyed most of this.
27:15
There's a good 60 percent of it. I liked. Yeah.
27:17
OK, I'm at the process like hanging out together.
27:21
Yeah, that's in the part that I didn't like.
27:24
I think we kind of covered it.
27:25
But do you think there was any like really big surprise or miss
27:29
out of season one?
27:30
The big surprise for me was Rick Rock West. Like, yeah.
27:33
A movie I've never heard of.
27:34
And it's one of my favorite films now.
27:38
That was a real quality win.
27:40
Boy, it's hard to think about like a loser that I wish could have gone forward.
27:44
I mean, like aside from just saying Primal Primal. Right.
27:46
But boy, there were some real, real good movies
27:51
that just didn't get a chance. Yeah. Unfortunately.
27:54
Yeah. And we've also had a really good year of movies that didn't make the bracket to.
27:58
Yeah. This year alone, he's had four movies already come out.
28:03
Yeah. It's got two more on the way.
28:05
Yeah, it's crazy. That's a lot of Nick Cage movies.
28:07
That's interesting.
28:08
Like what of the movies that have come out would you have liked to see on this list
28:11
that you think could probably go the distance?
28:13
OK, so we've seen the old way.
28:16
Old way retirement plan and sympathy for the devil for the devil.
28:20
We're going to watch butchers crossing and dream scenario scenario. Yeah.
28:25
Simply for the devil.
28:26
I would would I would probably put forward in a lot of matchups.
28:30
That was a really fun movie. I enjoyed it a lot.
28:33
It seems like if you could have swapped out like a dog eat dog or something
28:36
with that, that would have been a good fit.
28:38
Done well. Renfield's a lot of fun.
28:41
I put that probably.
28:42
I mean, Renfield and retirement plan both fit that kind of like fun,
28:47
just comedy, action, comedy or action like comedy, horror.
28:51
They're just fun, enjoyable movies.
28:53
And honestly, that's great.
28:55
I love to have those and they're perfectly timed.
28:58
They don't take up your whole weekend.
29:01
They're not rewatching the Lord of the Rings or anything. Right.
29:04
And then the old way is just bad.
29:08
It does have Clinton Howard going,
29:11
oh, my balls.
29:13
We love you, Clint Howard.
29:14
Come hang out with us. Be on our podcast.
29:16
Yeah. Tell us about Nick Cage.
29:18
Or just tell us about your life as Clint Howard or your balls.
29:21
I don't know.
29:22
On that note, though, like in terms of guests, I think for me,
29:25
I feel like guests really bring a really fun element to this entire thing.
29:29
Yeah. And I'm really pleased with everybody that we had on.
29:31
And I'm excited that in season two, we're going to have a huge amount of guests
29:36
on basically every episode.
29:39
A huge amount of guests, a lot of new guests and a lot of returning guests.
29:42
Yeah. So it's going to be a lot of fun.
29:43
I think we're going to get some some good new takes
29:46
for the second trip around the bracket as we go from 32 to 16 to the sweet 16.
29:51
Get sued for that. For what? Sweet 16 now.
29:54
We could call it the slick 16 slick 16.
29:57
Yeah. What's the elite? The slicks teen.
30:01
God, it sounds gross.
30:03
It feels gross in my mouth.
30:05
It feels oily. I don't like it.
30:07
Yeah. Yeah. So our round of slicks teen.
30:10
Mm hmm. Oh, we are going to we're embracing that.
30:14
What about the elite eight? How do we turn that gross?
30:17
Well, I don't know. We'll get there when we get there.
30:18
We'll get there when we get there.
30:19
We can yuck a lot of yums.
30:22
How is this like affected your life outside of this podcast?
30:25
Because this is a large committed thing we've done at my job.
30:30
I am the Nick Cage guy now.
30:32
Yeah. My big change is just thinking about how much time in a week
30:36
I spend working on the posters, working on editing, doing the recordings,
30:40
watching the next movies coming up.
30:42
And, you know, I think we said it on our episode with Darryl,
30:45
but watching any movie that doesn't have Nick Cage in it,
30:48
I'm always like something feels off.
30:50
And it's like, yeah, there's a missing element.
30:51
There's a missing element. And it's those nasal labial folds.
30:54
God, I love his nasal labial folds.
30:56
Oh, what is it? I just saw Horn before I came here.
30:59
And he's like, do you still think Nick Cage is a good actor?
31:02
I mean, he's the best actor.
31:03
He's like, I still don't buy it.
31:04
I'm like, watch 64 of his films in 14 months and then tell me he's not great.
31:09
Nick, how's it impacted you?
31:12
I have homework at this point.
31:15
Yeah, that's fair.
31:16
I was never actually like accused of having terrific taste in movies and life.
31:22
So this it's right up my alley.
31:24
And we now are the proud owners of a poster that Peter got us
31:29
to commemorate the end of our season of all of his amazing Photoshop work.
31:34
Yeah. Thank you, Peter, for doing that.
31:36
You're welcome. That was not really something we discussed going into this.
31:39
It's kind of just a thing you we like we discussed doing the face off one.
31:43
And then you just kind of ran with it.
31:45
Yeah, it just ended up being a thing that I did for every episode.
31:47
And they're all amazing, especially once you realize people
31:52
actually look and listen to us. Yeah.
31:55
Then you're the amount of time you spent on it definitely went up.
31:59
The effort went up. Yeah.
32:01
My favorite part was always finding the fonts for close fonts to. Yeah.
32:04
You crush it on the nerd. Yeah, dude.
32:09
Hey, typography is hot. Yeah.
32:11
I'm still looking forward to seeing the finished kickass one of the font.
32:14
Oh, it's good. It looks good.
32:16
It's hard to read the words cage match because they block a lot of it.
32:18
But could be a lot of things underneath our bodies.
32:24
Yeah. So anything that you guys are really looking forward to for season two or?
32:28
No, part of the change up for season two is Nick and I are going to
32:32
actually watch these movies together.
32:33
Yeah, which we've had limited opportunity, mostly in our like bonus
32:37
episodes to be able to do this.
32:39
So we're going to actually get to it like experiences in a more
32:41
like social enjoyable way. Yeah.
32:44
Which I think will add some new light to ways of interacting with and enjoying
32:48
these films. Yeah. And we're going to have like Nick said,
32:50
we're going to have a lot of fresh blood in terms of guests.
32:52
So they're going to bring some new energy and new outlooks and opinions on
32:56
on all these things that we have now spent five days, one hour and 49 minutes.
33:00
That's a good start.
33:01
We're going to have to explain this to our creator one day.
33:04
Are you talking about me? Yes.
33:07
I understand you're forgiven.
33:10
And just thank you to everyone who listens.
33:12
I mean, we'd still probably be doing this if you weren't there.
33:14
Our lives aren't that interesting outside of this.
33:16
But it does make a difference.
33:17
Like if we if we were having lower numbers or people weren't
33:20
giving us positive feedback and saying that they actually enjoy this, like,
33:24
I don't know that we would have tried as hard.
33:26
We would definitely be more inebriated on a regular basis.
33:30
Yeah. Instead of just a semi regular basis.
33:32
Yeah. And semi inebriated.
33:34
And thank you to all of our all of our patrons.
33:36
Exactly. Our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt and Adam
33:40
and our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman and Lance.
33:44
We really do appreciate that.
33:45
If you guys want to support us at all, it's patreon.com slash cage match.
33:49
Also, for people who aren't patrons yet, Meredith, I know you got a promotion.
33:53
Fucking throw five dollars at us.
33:55
We are going to get better equipment.
33:56
So that's a help.
33:57
The judge says you have to pay me five dollars a month.
33:59
Yeah, we're just five dollars short of better equipment, Meredith.
34:03
Yeah, you just throw in five dollars more.
34:06
Meredith. Yeah, thank you all.
34:09
And if you want to interact with us and post comments down below the folder,
34:13
whatever the fuck Nick says, you can find Instagram at cage
34:17
underscore match underscore pod or read it at cage match pod.
34:21
Those are the places you can find us.
34:22
Please like and subscribe and enjoy season two.
34:25
I hope it's as fun as we think it's going to be.
34:28
I don't. I hope to drive you all away.
34:32
Good. We'll see who wins.
34:34
Primal. Bye bye.
34:46
Oh, I now I'll save that for when we recap
34:49
when we do it again, because I have new theories on why they did that.
34:54
Oh, that's good audio. Thanks for sharing that. Excellent.
34:56
I mean, Peter can cut that.
34:58
I was thinking about this for sure.
35:00
I was thinking about that in the shower this morning.
35:02
And I'm like, oh, this will be interesting.
35:04
Ah, penis swap technology.
35:05
Like I figured out why the government would do.
35:06
I also think about things Peter can cut while I'm in the shower.
35:12
You should probably edit that.
35:13
Take a second run at that.
35:14
No, I'm going to slam that together in the worst way.
35:17
Oh, yeah. Yeah, baby.