Latest / Two Girls and a Cup of Wellness / Anal Cancer: From Survival to Thriving with Michelle McNaney | Ep 10
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- Crissy Florio: Hello, hello everyone and welcome back for yet another Two Girls and a Couple Wellness episode. My name is Chrissy. And my name is Marie and today we have a very special guest. Her name is Michelle and she is joining us today. Hello, Michelle. Hello, Michelle. Welcome. We're so excited you're here and really ⁓ looking forward to a fabulous conversation because I know you have so much insight to give and a beautiful story to share and Michelle McNaney: Hi. Thank you. ⁓ Crissy Florio: a way to really empower a lot of our listeners. So why don't we kind of go back on to how you got here onto our podcast? There's a little, a beautiful connection between Marie and Michelle. Michelle McNaney: Yes, I met Marie through a mutual friend, Donna, and they had completed their training and I got to talking to Marie and we're both all about holistic preventative care. And I just started telling her my story of my personal journey of when I got diagnosed with cancer 10 years ago that led me down this path of holistic health. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and there was a good connection right away. think in the first couple of minutes, you these people in your life that are so like glowy and yeah, right. A good spark. So I was like, love this girl. And then I said, I'm starting a podcast and you said, and you're going to interview me. And I said, yes, I am. Well, it is so true with the energetic connection, you know, when you walk into a room and you're immediately drawn to somebody. Michelle McNaney: Yes, there was like, yeah, there's a, there's a spark. Crissy Florio: there is that back and forth of the frequency between people that makes you drawn to somebody more than other, or like, you you need to stay back away from me type of people too, and type of energy as well. So I'm so excited that you guys had that connection because now I get to experience it as well. And you are just pure light and joy, ⁓ even in just the first few moments that I've met you. So welcome. So why don't we kind of... Michelle McNaney: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Crissy Florio: start with your journey 10 years ago. ⁓ Kind of give us a little insight as to what your life looked like then, and then obviously the diagnosis and then kind of the time just kind of shortly after the diagnosis. Michelle McNaney: So at that time, you know, my husband and I have always been healthy, what we considered healthy, ⁓ eating, exercising. But when you get diagnosed with cancer, and I got diagnosed with cancer February of 2016, and your first thought is, how did that happen? You know, you Yes, exactly. So ⁓ I actually got diagnosed with anal cancer. Crissy Florio: I know that too well. Michelle McNaney: in February of 2016 and it's a very rare cancer. Only 0.05 % of cancer diagnoses are anal cancer and two thirds of those are women. yes, so I want to bring awareness and take a, there's a big stigma, right? So I want to take that away and help people that are dealing with it and support them any way I can. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Michelle McNaney: because there's no stigma. know, cancer's cancer. You know, I was, and any cancer's horrible, right? But like breast cancer survivors like you, Chrissy, I mean, you get pink shirts and pink ribbons and you know, it's like, when do get something brown? You know? Crissy Florio: Okay. Yeah, there's a lot of hype. There's a lot of... A bronze sack. That's true. You got a brown ribbon. ⁓ Michelle McNaney: Yeah. Right, yeah, it's just kind of yuck. Anyway, so that's one of my purposes really is just I want to share my story and just help others that have gone through this. so what I noticed was I was having... Crissy Florio: What were some of the side effects? or how you found out about it more so. Michelle McNaney: Yeah, I was having discomfort and ⁓ I had a difficult birth with my first ⁓ go-around. I had two children, but ⁓ it left me with some side effects that were hard to deal with. And from that, I just thought it was part of that, like pelvic floor issues or something like that. Well, then I started noticing bleeding, which And ironically enough, I'd had a colonoscopy two years before and they said I was squeaky clean, quote unquote. And as I've learned since then, cancer takes 10 years before it, you know, from when it starts to when it's found. So ⁓ I don't know if they miss something, if, you know, I don't know, but ⁓ I went through the treatment and typically each traditional cancer treatment has a specific prescription, right? Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Michelle McNaney: So for mine, I did two rounds of mitomyosin C and then two weeks of wearing this belt of 5-FU from Monday through Friday and then 28 days of radiation. So that's typically the prescription for that type of cancer. So I went through all that. ⁓ Something showed on my PET scan. So they ended up wanting to do a liver resection on me as well. Crissy Florio: Hmm. Michelle McNaney: So I went through that and that was June. So after that in July, I got a clear PET scan. And I just felt something in my spirit like healing is a process. It's not a one and done. So I just started doing research and I came across ⁓ a book by Chris Wart called Chris Beats Cancer. Crissy Florio: I actually met him a couple of weeks ago. He's wonderful. books. Michelle McNaney: ⁓ that's awesome. That's awesome. ⁓ Yes, I know it's amazing. And just what he did was amazing. I recommend that book. ⁓ But through him, I found Dr. Keneally, who has a practice in Irvine, California called the Cancer Center for Healing. And I just picked up the phone and called. And that was July, I got my PET scan. By the next month, I was in with her and saw her. Crissy Florio: Yeah. Michelle McNaney: And what I did was, I can't remember if I flew out there the first time or if I zoomed. I think I zoomed a call with her or maybe the first time you have to go in. I can't remember. It's been 10 years. ⁓ But I know. Crissy Florio: Yeah. I can't remember what I did yesterday. Michelle McNaney: ⁓ So I met with her immediately that same connection, right, as we had. ⁓ Just that spark, she was very down to earth, very encouraging, very warm, ⁓ and basically said that, you know, once the tumor is quote unquote gone, doesn't mean the cancer is gone. So she does ⁓ comprehensive testing that I went through. One of them was the RGCC Crissy Florio: Yeah, just did the first two series of certification for that. Yeah, except to do the third series. it's so mind blowing to me. Michelle McNaney: blood test. ⁓ that's awesome. I'm so excited. That's great. I know. So what they do is they send right now, well, they will, they send your blood to Greece and they ⁓ do an onco, what's it called? Onco trail. And it shows you any circulating tumor cells, right? So the... Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep, you're right. Tumor cells, Michelle McNaney: once your tumor's gone, you still have these circulating tumor cells that could land anywhere. They could go back to the same place. The stem cells, they could land in the same place. They could go somewhere else, metastasize. So at that time, my score was 12, which was pretty high. Like the goal is zero, right? So ⁓ then she sent and did the OncoNomics. So OncoNomics. Crissy Florio: And the tumor smells in the stem cells, yeah. Okay. Michelle McNaney: searches your blood for what chemo's will specifically kill your cancer. it, yes, what I did was the Onconomics extracts. So it searches, I don't know how many natural extracts that will, when you take them, it will kill your cancer cells in your body. So like, turmeric, pursitin, frankincense. And so that came back with what Crissy Florio: target that. Right. And it does the natural stuff too, right? Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. Michelle McNaney: I should take and your body builds up a tolerance to anything you take. So you rotate. So I take two different extracts and then next month I take two different ones and then next month I take two different ones. And it's constantly on this rotation of extracts, but it's specifically for me. So. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Have you read Jane McKellen's book? How to Starve Cancer. Eat to Starve Cancer. She talks about the same thing, rotating. ⁓ Okay. Yeah. I haven't read the whole thing either. I have a lot of books, lot of tags, sticky tags and highlights and I rotate through what I'm going to read. Yeah. Michelle McNaney: Yes, I have that book. I can't say I've read it cover to cover. I have a lot of books. Right, right. ⁓ I don't know if you have gotten to the... ⁓ used to be known as SOT. Now it's known as Q-Restrain. So the RGCC company and what... she had me do was they send your blood and they tweak it. it uses the strands of the RNA and it's designed to bind to your messenger RNA in your blood. So it's your blood, they tweak it, they send it back, you get it as an infusion and it stealthily kills. It binds to the pathogens or the cancer cells and prevents them from growing. Crissy Florio: You're a Nick. Michelle McNaney: and it kills them. I've done this two or three times now and and it's you have to wait at least six months between treatments. So I've done this two or three times and my numbers when they got so low I didn't do those anymore. ⁓ But it's it's cool that you don't have any side effects. You don't feel any differently. They send it to Greece. They tweak it. You get it back. It's your blood. It's your DNA that you're getting back. But it's changed to help you. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. It's amazing. Yeah. Wow. Michelle McNaney: Yes, and that's specifically with the RGCC company. Crissy Florio: Yeah, and I just, it's not mainstream. I mean, you told me to read the book in December and I started reading this book, I said, what is this test? I mean, I've been in healthcare for 20 years, I've never heard of it. Michelle McNaney: It's not FDA approved, you can only do it out of the country. that's why I tell people when they're diagnosed, just start doing research. And different things resonate for different people. What works for me may not work for somebody else. So I think everybody needs to do their own research and come up with the best plan for them. Crissy Florio: Right. ⁓ Yeah. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. that is not only are you doing the research and you're learning all of these things, but there's a moment where you have to really listen to your intuition and that inner voice to understand what feels right for you to then take action and actually do. Because we can learn things all day long and then not take action, right? But Michelle McNaney: Yes. right. Crissy Florio: being able to understand, you know what, that sounds actually like it could be very helpful and beneficial and valuable to me, then actually taking the action and doing that. But that's that kind of intuitive piece to it that a lot of people miss. They wanna do the research, they wanna learn all the things, but then they just kind of leave it hanging. And I'm definitely guilty of that sometimes, where whatever it is within me stops me from moving forward and actually taking action. I know all of this stuff. Michelle McNaney: Yes. Crissy Florio: but it's like, okay, well, what are we going to do about it? Right? So that is really kind of cool that they have these types of tests that can, you know, not necessarily be a preventative measure, but maybe in a way that it really kind of sounds like it's definitely more preventative than just proactive. Right? And, you know, I, I don't, I don't know if you've listened, I don't love the word preventative because I don't think we can fully prevent anything, but Michelle McNaney: Right. They have a test. right. Crissy Florio: proactive. They do have a test. initial test ⁓ is the, because in the course it said it'll pick this up at that 10 year mark, right? The 10 year prior before you can see something on a scan. like this is really kind of big in the actual taking steps to prevention and to be proactive. But I mean, this, this sounds like, wow, really for me a little, a little, you know, ⁓ Michelle McNaney: Right. Crissy Florio: clearing of the name of it for me, like, well, for prevention, you know. So Michelle. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that. During these 10 years, have you made changes to your diet that you felt were important or lifestyle? Michelle McNaney: Yeah, it's all about early detection. Absolutely. ⁓ So before I went to see her and after I'd finished my treatment, I just started juicing and eating all these cruciferous vegetables and just doing the things I had learned about to clear my system of the toxicity that I had just gone through. ⁓ By the time I saw Dr. Keneally, I'd been vegan for about two months and I felt like I was gonna die. And she said, you're type O blood, you need protein. And I'm like, Crissy Florio: Hmm. Yeah. Michelle McNaney: Goodness, you know, I get to have protein. So just, you know, be aware of labels ⁓ and even or, you know, eat as much organic as we can. That's what we do. ⁓ Making sure you're eating the rainbow, ⁓ moving every day, ⁓ that kind of thing. Just, you know, it's, it's common sense things, but doing it. And I always say it's all about progress, not perfection, because you know, your mental health, Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Michelle McNaney: is don't want to beat yourself up. You want to stay positive and upbeat. And if you try to reach for perfection, you'll you can't be happy. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. ⁓ absolutely. There's nothing perfect in life, right? When you really look at everything, where did flowers come from? Flowers came from dirt and from, you know, mud and lotus flowers come from mud and, you know, we come from a little seed and just it's nothing is perfect in life. We all have to kind of go through those times in our life, the dark times to come out and see the light and see things differently. Michelle McNaney: Right. Crissy Florio: have a fresh new perspective on life. So that's beautiful. So now 10 years later, look at you thriving and doing all the things continuously to remain cancer-free. But I know you mentioned that you're a dental hygienist. So how do you take your experience and your story And how do you help others now, whether it's in your business or your family or your friends, or have you started doing like support groups with cancer, other cancer thrivers, or what do you do now? Michelle McNaney: So I have paid new patients and I've had a couple that had the same diagnosis as me. I just had one of my long-term patients I saw got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a couple of weeks ago and I just literally start sharing information and giving them my number, you know, how can I help you explain some of the things I've done, you know, Dr. Keneally offers, she has a room full of IV chairs. So ⁓ high dose vitamin C, which you can find here. ⁓ Ozone therapy, which you can find here. ⁓ But what, I just tell people to start doing research. Again, what resonates with you? And take a breath. I feel like once you get that diagnosis, they're ready to rush you into surgery, into, you know, and I say just take a breath. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Michelle McNaney: start researching, take some time to yourself and see what resonates with you. Crissy Florio: I have a quick question. What would be some of the, how should people research? Let me preface that way. How should people research? Because people can get on the internet and they can get into Google and it's like they can go down that rabbit hole and then it's fear and then they stop and they do nothing and they only listen to their doctors. So what would be some things like words or ⁓ sentences to actually search for? Michelle McNaney: Yeah. So I would say holistic health cancer treatment. Since I saw Dr. Keneally, ⁓ she actually wanted me to do an eBoo treatment, which I don't know if you've heard of eBoo. It's a type of ⁓ oxygenation and ozone treatment to your blood. So you literally sit in a chair and they take your blood out of one arm and it goes through this machine that does ultraviolet light and to your blood. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Michelle McNaney: and inserts ozone and it comes back in this arm and like your blood leaving here is dark, your blood coming in here is bright red. So it's just that rich oxygenated blood. So I found a doctor here in Florida, it was down in Sarasota that could do this instead of flying to California. And through him, he told me about phenvendazole, which is another buzzword in the cancer community. And so I started taking that. And Joe Tippins has a whole website, ⁓ My Cancer Story Rocks, that you can read about his story and what he's doing. But that resonated with me. That was one more step I took. I think if you're truly on a journey, you'll be led to where you need to be. You have to trust your gut. ⁓ But as far as researching, ⁓ There are certain reputable names that I trust like Chris work, like Josh acts like, know, there's ⁓ gosh, I'm trying to think who else ⁓ radical remission. Yes. Crissy Florio: Yeah, and Joe Tippins and Radical Remission, Kelly Turner and ⁓ Jane McClellan. I actually got to meet a few of these people a few weeks ago at this wonderful cancer conference down in Palm Beach. And Joe Tippins was there, Jane McClellan was there, Chris Wark was there, Amanda King, who's also very big into the metabolic approach, which we'll have her on at some point. And it was really impressive to sit back and to listen to so many different concepts in healing through cancer. And these are the things that we don't hear because it's not mainstream, right? It's not big pharma funding, everything. So it's a little bit more on the hush hush quiet side. ⁓ But being in a building with that many powerhouses in the holistic healing was like, wow. mean, it was a little overwhelming. Michelle McNaney: Right. Crissy Florio: I think there's something to be said about that too, about the overwhelm. Just slow down, let it, like you said, let it lead you where you're meant to go and take one thing at a time. You can't do all the things all at once. Michelle McNaney: Yes. Yes, and it does get confusing because there's so many different diet recommendations and this or that and ⁓ I really again if you just sit and let it marinate and see what resonates ⁓ that's you know quiet time you know I'm a Christian I have faith I trust in God and I feel like when you have that intuition that that knowing Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Michelle McNaney: It will lead you in the right direction. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, and it's it's surrounding yourself also with like-minded people, right? You know if I Think there needs to be a lot more love in the integrative approach to cancer right where we maybe are marrying both conventional and traditional healing ⁓ But it doesn't necessarily need to be one way or the other I love that the fact of kind of bringing in the two and in the medical world you get Michelle McNaney: Yes. correct. Crissy Florio: people, like I always say this, they live in their box and they don't want to even look out of it because what they've done for 20 years has always worked and they don't even want to spend the time to say, well, maybe this will work or maybe we should think about this or this is some new like ozone or these new tests, they discredit it. And I don't know why there's such almost an ignorance in medical. Sure. Because I've seen so much of it. I mean, for so many years we've given over Michelle McNaney: Right. Crissy Florio: our whole lives to doctors and we trust them and we put them on these pedestals and granted they're amazing, they're so smart and we need them. I'm not saying anything against that. But it does take the power away from us. We have that power inside of us, number one, to heal and number two, to intuitively make these decisions that feel right to us. Or decisions together. Yes, right. Michelle McNaney: Yes. Crissy Florio: When I speak with my patients, I'm like, what do you think about this? I may have some doubts here, but it may have some benefits here, but it's really your choice what you want me to do for you. And we can talk about it together. And I love that. But a lot of providers all through my life just go in and they just speak down to the person and they make them feel like crap. And I was a nurse for years, so I'd be holding the hand afterwards and crying. And now I'm a nurse practitioner. So when I speak to my patients, I don't want to be that way. Michelle McNaney: Right. Crissy Florio: Well, that's a person to person, human to human. And what's right for you may not be right for me and vice versa. I have literally been in a doctor's office where I left crying because my doctor pretty much told me that if I don't do this, I could die. Now have you found that Michelle with going to Dr. Connelly? Michelle McNaney: Right. now. Yes. No, not with her, but Crissy Florio: No, like if you went to another doctor, have you mentioned that I did the RCGT? Michelle McNaney: I did briefly. Now I don't see, I only see her now. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Okay. Michelle McNaney: just because ⁓ they kind of look at you like, ⁓ that Greek test, they just have zero merit in. Right, right. So ⁓ yeah, I've gotten those, and I'd say, what do you think about Phenbendazole? And they just kind of rolled their eyes, because that's not what they're going to prescribe, right? So. ⁓ Crissy Florio: Right, because the research isn't there and they're all just research basically, you know, driven. ⁓ And they don't know about it probably, right? They're not taking the time actually to do their own research because it doesn't benefit them at all. So they're not going to take the time to learn more about it. you stray from the box, you're going to be seen as the woo-woo kooky doctor. And there was one at the conference the other day that got up and spoke and he's left leaving the oncology world to do more of this integrative approach. And he knows that his doctors are going to shun him. It's almost like a witch trial thing, you know? Michelle McNaney: Right. It's really sad. Yes. Crissy Florio: take them to the stake or whatever. It's sad. Yeah. But I guess, again, there's somebody for everybody, right? So when you are newly diagnosed with anything, cancer or any other type of disease, I think looking and creating your team of doctors is really ultimately up to you, right? So you try to find the person that is going to listen to you and that is going to support you in your journey of doing things. when I look at my team of doctors, Michelle McNaney: right. Crissy Florio: there was definitely a few that was like, no, no supplements during chemo, no doing this or that or that, right? And I knew some of those things could support me, but I didn't trust my gut enough in that moment. So I just listened. But then, you know, I think they all kind of came around when they saw in my meditation and in my ⁓ yoga and the breath work and all the things that I was doing, they saw how quickly my body adapted to the chemo also because I think, the chemo probably worked amazing and it did what it was supposed to do. But I think also some of the integrative things that I were doing or the holistic things that I were doing on the side also helped me in my journey become cancer-free much quicker, much faster, right? Helped my body to get to that point where I could hear those words, there's no evidence of disease, right? Michelle McNaney: Right. Crissy Florio: And I think at some point, I think they finally realized ⁓ that, okay, what she is is helping, but ⁓ still not enough for a huge change in most of their patients, I think. ⁓ And again, ⁓ I don't to ever downplay ⁓ or ⁓ go ⁓ I think there's a and place and mine were beautiful and they helped so much. ⁓ But I think there were things that Michelle McNaney: Mm-hmm. Crissy Florio: I wish would have went a little differently. I wish I would have been able to, I think, incorporate some of those holistic healings in ⁓ without the judgment. Michelle McNaney: there's a lot of things that you can do to help your body detox right like Epson salt baths with baking soda and Dr. Keneally likes magnetic clay to pull out toxins, dry brushing, castor oil packs to like if you're having a problem with your breasts, you can put them there or your thyroid or your liver. And I know Crissy Florio: Hmm. Yeah. ⁓ Yeah, I love castor oil packs. I actually haven't done one in a while. Need to do that. Michelle McNaney: It's all these things, right? You think of them, like, ⁓ I need to do that again. And then just... Crissy Florio: I get to I actually just did a I just actually did a video about that about our language changes our perspective, right? Instead of saying I have to do this. I get to do this. Right. And it's like, ⁓ yeah, okay, I get to do that. Instead of me. It doesn't sound so like harsh and like, ⁓ like, like, like, demanding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. What else do do, Michelle? Michelle McNaney: That's right. Yeah. A task. Yeah. I rebound, which is great for your lymphatic system. ⁓ The infrared saunas. I don't have an infrared sauna, but I bought an infrared blanket that I get into that's really helping to detox. Hyperthermia, hot baths, infrared, anything that warms your body up will help fight Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. cozy. Michelle McNaney: Pathogens of all kinds cancer, whatever my hot baths. I get as hot as I can stand ⁓ and I hop in and it's just my time of relaxing and Also, I don't know if you've heard of solfoggio tones ⁓ So I'll put on some solfoggio tones that ⁓ it's ⁓ Goes with the positive frequency of your body, right? So there's so many things you can do ⁓ that really help Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. frequency. if Michelle McNaney: Like that. Crissy Florio: So if somebody were just diagnosed today, what advice would you give them to just to kind of start their journey? I know we've said a lot of things, but whether it's a quote or just a piece of advice to kind of create some ease in their mind. Michelle McNaney: I always just recommend Dr. Keneally's book because she has so many helpful ⁓ preventative things. If you've been diagnosed, what to start doing to help you through whatever treatment you decide to do. Just to have moments to yourself for your own mental health. ⁓ Get rid of toxic people. If you have toxic people in your life, you know what I mean? It brings you down. Crissy Florio: Hmm. Michelle McNaney: And I was just talking to my daughter about this because she was having some problems with somebody and it throws off your voltage, right? So we all vibrate at a certain level, which should be higher. Lower voltage equals disease. and toxic people bring that down. ⁓ Negative thinking brings that down. So you have to be your own advocate and your best friend, right? Crissy Florio: Mm. Michelle McNaney: ⁓ eliminate what's not good and bring in what's good. Crissy Florio: Yeah, really be true with yourselves, be honest with yourselves because a lot of people can look and be like, ⁓ my gosh, my life is just so perfect. I'm surrounded by all these people. But when you really stop and you slow down and you really take a good looking at your life or the way that you're showing up or the things that you're feeding yourself and your mind, we can all make changes and shifts, right? But we have to be very real and vulnerable with ourselves to kind of get to that hard truth of Michelle McNaney: Yes. Crissy Florio: what is working and what is not working? What can I continue forward with and what do I need to leave back behind? Michelle McNaney: Yes. And I heard a quote that said we should ruthlessly eliminate hurry. take moments ⁓ to relax, take moments in your day you're rushing, where you're just being, know, just, you did. ⁓ Crissy Florio: We've heard this before. We may or may not have said something like that No, no. mean, we hear it from a lot of different people. You know, it's that same thing. Enjoy the journey, just getting to the finish line and embracing your now and enjoying it, right? And not thinking ahead 10 steps, which I tend to do throughout the day. All right, what's next? And as a mom, you know, I got to cook this, I got to do this, these are all the steps. Sure. Michelle McNaney: Yes. Right. We all have a list. We all have things we have to do, but to take moments during the list to just be, I think is important. Crissy Florio: Yeah. Yeah. I say that a lot in yoga is like, we're done with the doing, you know, with the physical practice, we've done it. And when we get into Shavasana, it's now about the being, you know, how can you truly surrender and just be in the experience of you as you are right here, right now. It's very important. So that's right. Not who human doers. ⁓ Michelle McNaney: Yes. Yeah, we are human beings. Yeah. ⁓ Crissy Florio: So, what do you do on a regular weekend day? What do you do to fill your soul? Michelle McNaney: ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ I think you need to do things that fulfill you like I love to play pickleball. We do that on the weekend. I recently also engaging your mind and constantly learning is huge for me that energizes me. I just learned mahjong. So I'm playing mahjong now. I know it's like everybody's on the mahjong train, but it's it's fun. It's it's community. You get together with other women. Crissy Florio: Thank you. I hear it's amazing. quite popular. Mm-hmm. you Michelle McNaney: you use your brain because it's not easy. So ⁓ I play mahjong. Really, ⁓ community is huge to me. Getting together with friends and family. You know, we've got a big family together. Tom and I have five kids. We have five grandkids. So anytime we can be with our family is the best time. So yes. Yes. Crissy Florio: That connection. Family's everything. Yeah, so beautiful. So tell us about this journey you're joining or your journey you're starting with your Instagram. What's your goals? Michelle McNaney: Yes, I just started on Instagram at holistic health dot with me. Meesh comes from our kids. They my name's Michelle. They call me meesh. They're like, meesh, let's go play pickleball or you know, whatever. So that's a term that's endearing to me. So I want to share my knowledge. I want to help people. I want to do whatever I can to get knowledge out there that people haven't heard of. Just I just started. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Yeah. ⁓ Michelle McNaney: But just since I've started, I've had so many people contact me. One friend reached out, I didn't know this, her husband had just gotten diagnosed with cancer and they were gonna order Cancer Revolution by Dr. Keneally, I posted about that. ⁓ The detox drink, I posted that where I drank this morning. I also drink hydrogen water. That's supposed to be very cleansing for your liver. ⁓ The detox is apple cider. Crissy Florio: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Michelle McNaney: Lemon juice, ginger, cinnamon, yes. And a little bit of cayenne pepper. I just find that energizing in and of itself to drink. And that's just a good way to start your day to detox. You can do warm lemon water if you don't. I just typically do ⁓ room temperature. But really, I just want to share the information I've gathered over these past 10 years. And like I said, I just started. So far, it's been amazing. Crissy Florio: lemon. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it's great. I think you need to something, not brown ribbons, but you should do something for racto-cancer. I can see like a ⁓ 5K in Orlando. It come up for sure. It will come up. But yeah, I mean, it is. It's always in no offense to you, Chrissy, but it is a huge promotion towards breast cancer, heart disease. It's all the celebration and there's nothing for anything else. There are things, but it's definitely not as right. Michelle McNaney: going to do that yes ⁓ Right, there are groups, yes, but it's a more rare cancer. So again, it just doesn't have the ⁓ knowledge out there about it. So I'd like to raise knowledge and awareness. Crissy Florio: But it'd be interesting to see if it's going to rise because I colon cancer rates have raised with the processed food and stuff. So, I mean, that goes to triggers and thinking about what causes these things. And I don't know if you pay attention to the glyphosate and all the legality of Michelle McNaney: Yes. right. Crissy Florio: Well, this was a wonderful, wonderful conversation. You are, again, just a joy and thank you for sharing your story and being vulnerable with us and also inspirational to all of our listeners because I think that the more and more people hear stories like this of survival and but not only just survival, how do you thrive after a diagnosis like that and especially a rare one? And it gives people hope. ⁓ that if they're in that situation or if a loved one is in that situation, they are more inclined to listen to somebody who's already gone through it rather than going to just so many doctors and all of the things. It's like, well, what did you do? Clearly, it's working for you. But ⁓ it's a beautiful way to honor the journey and to spread the and share your your knowledge and your energy into the world. So I appreciate you and I so thank you for that. can't wait to see what's coming for you, Michelle. Yeah. It's exciting. Yeah. so glad you joined us. Yes. All right, guys. Well, thank you again. Until next time. Bye. Michelle McNaney: Thank you so much. you for having me. This has been great. So much fun. All right, bye.