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Episode 89: Tapping Into Your Intuition's Healing Power · Heal Yourself Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Heal Yourself podcast, where we dive deep into all things healing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm Denise, a speech language pathologist and a self-love coach for adults and teens.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and functional nutritionist, and we're here to guide you through the transformative process of healing your body, mind, and soul.
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  SPEAKER_03: From the latest in functional medicine to nurturing your relationship with yourself, healing trauma, and even transforming your money story.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're here to empower you with the knowledge and tools to create lasting change.
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  SPEAKER_02: So whether you're looking to heal physically, emotionally, or spiritually, join us as we explore the many paths to wholeness and wellness.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hello everyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to another episode of Heal Yourself Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today, Denise and I are here with Jenny McFadden.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let me introduce who she is, and then I'll let her tell you guys about herself.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Jenny helps heart-led people develop trust in their intuition, use it to decode the messages hidden within their symptoms, and receive practical steps to restore well-being, vitality, and happiness.
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  SPEAKER_02: She invites people to move into a space of curiosity and play to discover how easy it is to receive clear and accurate intuitive guidance to help make empowered decisions, activate inner healing, and live in alignment with our purpose.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jenny has seen extraordinary changes happen in an instant when we work at the quantum level.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the more we listen within, the more we remember who we truly are, limitless and powerful beings, amen to that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Far more than just a physical body.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's an intuition mentor, quantum healing facilitator, artist, and three times best-selling author.
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  SPEAKER_02: Her most recent being The Game of Intuition and How to Play It.
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  SPEAKER_02: With a career of more than 30 years dedicated to whole person health, she blends quantum, intuitive healing, psychology, energy medicine, and I can't ever say it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Into a uniquely powerful approach to healing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I butcher it every time I try to say it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Jenny, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're so excited to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We usually start by asking a very similar question.
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  SPEAKER_02: What led you to this place in your life?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it was not because I was guided here knowingly.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was not brought up, or I was definitely not one that's been a lot of people who say, Oh my god, I was really like intuitive from the day I was born, and I had a like, nope, that was not me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like the practical one, you know, the rational.
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  SPEAKER_01: I um, you know, was more interested in art.
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to uni and I did art and psychology.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I became a teacher, an art teacher.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was like, but it was only through experiences that I had of my own, you know, health challenges mainly, that I then started to look for other things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, the mainstream didn't have an answer, didn't have answers.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in my 20s, you know, I was overseas, you know, doing the backpacking tour thing with my husband, and ended up in the south of Italy, which is where he's from, where he's from.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was, I couldn't stand up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was completely dizzy, couldn't, couldn't talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: They gave me drugs, I didn't know what they were, I didn't speak Italian.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was it was terrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fully back used you, you know, you've got your travel insurance, I used that to come home.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, went to hospital here, they didn't know what was wrong with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, long story short, they didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to an osteopath who said, You've got a neck injury.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had had all these, you know, tests with this and that and that and all this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was a real wake-up course in terms of like, well, mainstream is not really helping me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was the first step that I'd taken because my mum had had a back problem and then she'd been seeing this guy, and it was the first step I took into what you we would call now, you know, like alternative medicine, and that was 40 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, anyway, um, but from there, it's it's been a sim a similar thing, and that uh you know, like when I got married, I had that feeling of like, you know, should I I don't know, like and I I ignored it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was when that trip happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: That the result of that was I left.
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  SPEAKER_01: I and if I had known before, if I had listened, um, if I knew how to interpret what my body was telling me.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I'd if I'd if I'd had that, I probably maybe we would still be together, but I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I guess it's part of the path, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's part of the the things that happen are the things that guide us to what comes next.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was like the wake-up call of you're not on track.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is not where you're meant to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're meant to be doing something else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, one thing led to another, and I get here because bit by bit um I've been working with people um in all kinds of ways, and eventually I started to ask questions about what happens because my background is psychology, so that's very much talking and understanding how you know where where behavior comes from, like our thoughts and feelings, all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but then I started to ask, well, what about the unconscious?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I started to ask, well, what about energy?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it that was because of my son.
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  SPEAKER_01: When he was little, he had eczema.
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  SPEAKER_01: I took him to the doctor back and forth, back and forth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Didn't help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, I said, if I take him this time and they tell me the same thing, I'm taking him to a kinesiologist.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because someone had told me about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure enough, I ended up taking to a kinesiologist.
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  SPEAKER_01: She did muscle testing through you know on me for him, and gluten was a problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gluten came up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I went, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I went home, two days later, completely different kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's got energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's I'm like, what the I have to know how to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in my 40s, I went back at the go back to school in my 40s and went back and did um I learned kinesiology.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from there, or every other, it opened up the whole world of for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Of I started to realize when I worked with people, the world of energy medicine, of you know, realizing I knew much more when I would work with someone than what they were telling me.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I didn't know how I knew that, and I didn't know what to do with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I started to do some quantum stuff then, like which was more like a hands-off type of healing thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's not that so much now, it's much more developed than that now.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's how I got here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here I am going, how did this rational person, like skeptic?
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember in my younger years, you know, when I was really young, uh, a friend of mine's brother was really into like uh what's that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what's that called?
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  SPEAKER_01: Can't think anyway, so kind of healing I just went, you've got to be kidding.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, anyway, how did I get here and how did I end up?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm still the grounded person.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still this grounded practical person.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like connected and grounded.
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  SPEAKER_01: So and that's and that's what I like to bring because uh to me it's it's it when we really can be effective listening in, we need to be both.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow, I love all that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Kinesiology, I should probably do that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, um, people often say uh that symptoms carry messages, and I know we've talked about it before.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can you share how we can actually begin to unlock and understand those messages in a practical way?
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  SPEAKER_03: I love how you bring practicality and you keep talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I thanks for asking that because I know I've listened to you talk, and I know how many ways you've already talked about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is like such a strong message that both of you bring to the world as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just it's really important.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is such a good question, though, because honestly, sorry, I'm we interrupt each other, but this is a question I'm asked all the time by clients.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't understand how to listen to my body.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, like this this is gonna be so important.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'll shut it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, awesome, because this is this is really what I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, my approach is one, we need to use our intuition, all right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So we can there's a lot of things we can know from our head, but our intuitive mind, our intuitive intelligence knows far more because really we're like accessing everything that's in our field, every experience we've had.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it remembers, you know, there are frequencies, they're all around us, and they're all part of all part of our field.
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  SPEAKER_01: And our intuition is the way that that we can get really actually specific information, and it's like a conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the thing I think that where I really want people to know that when I ask people what's your intuition, they'll often say, Oh, they talk about their gut.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, and it's so much more, it's so much more.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can get so much information, and so all that and this is why I developed games, like intuition games, so that we can practice, because the practice is important, you know, you can't learn piano by watching someone play.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you've got we've got to practice, we've got to like play, and that's so I wanted to put we put these into games so that we can approach it from a light and sort of curious, playful perspective.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because otherwise, what happens is with most people they go, oh gosh, you know, like it's performance anxiety.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can I get the message?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's right, all this sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the way to get around that is to start to um take up an approach that's more playful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, when you're a kid, you remember it's like when you're playing a game, you don't care, you just go, oh yeah, like this is good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember that?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the feeling that you want to go in with.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's like the number one, it's really key thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And be curious, it's like, oh I wonder.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, as soon as you get trapped in your head, but something just go, I wonder, and your energy expands immediately.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, do that now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think, I wonder, and you'll notice your whole energy just expands out, and that's a really important point for like you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to tune in and you're going, oh, and you're getting stuck in the head again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just go, oh, I wonder, and then oh yeah, it changes your energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, what I did was um I've got like games that I use, and I'll give you an example.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, one of them is Intuition Message Bank.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, let's say you, you know, you let's say you've got a you've got a pain, you've got you've got something going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's play intuition in Intuition Message Bank.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, first we would tune in, so I can show you a really simple way to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I've used lots of ways to tune in because often that's a question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you can use meditation, you can use other, but you can actually do it quite simply and check that you're actually tuned in too, in a simple way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Make sure because that's often people go, I don't know if I was am I actually tuned in?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and I what I use is actually a simple number line.
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  SPEAKER_01: How's that for being simple?
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  SPEAKER_01: You use your eyes, you know, your eyes are the windows to your soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you can actually just use a number line.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who knew, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Simple as, and then we play intuition message bank.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what that is is once you're tuned in and you you like I'm 100% here.
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  SPEAKER_01: You ask, how many messages are there about this?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like on your phone, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You go, uh, how many messages?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, welcome messages, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: How many?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, three.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'll proceed to take you through and what are they one by one?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because here's the thing about intuition when you're really tuned into your intuition, it will give you really simple answers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if I say, What's message number one about?
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  SPEAKER_01: I did it this morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: My heart was going bit, bit, bit, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get a bit excited at times like, how it's gonna how many messages?
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  SPEAKER_01: Seven.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was the first one?
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  SPEAKER_01: Water.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh what about the water?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: This is like it's a conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not you don't, it's your body will tell you the most simple things that it actually needs.
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  SPEAKER_01: You might not know why.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I said, water, how much was it's like you need five more glass, big glasses, like got these big ones here, of that on top of everything else you normally have today.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's usually the first answer, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Instead of going really analytical.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is that what that's what you mean, right?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just be open to the answer, whatever comes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So someone was we were doing like um endometriosis.
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  SPEAKER_01: What came?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Cut down gluten.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't know what you the answer is you're gonna get, but your body knows exactly what it needs and doesn't need.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I and sorry, you're you may touch on this, but I have a question because I know what's gonna come from people.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are many that get in their heads, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, Okay, but I'm thinking it through, I'm thinking it through.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is not helpful.
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  SPEAKER_02: How can they get out of their heads to tap into the intuition and trust that answer that comes?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like I was saying, once you tune in, you are actually tapped in.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you then find yourself going back in your head, or it's not coming to me, you know what the number one thing is?
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  SPEAKER_01: Drink water.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You you be and water is not just water, water is energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we know about messages in water, we know that water holds energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: It also is about the flow in an energetic sense, and it's also about hydration, like it's it's about so many things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, water is one way to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Another way to do that is stop and take a couple of deep breaths.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's actually really simple.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you've got a number line, so here's I'm I'll tell you this in words or haven't got it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, is imagine you had a number line in front of you, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can write this out, and you'll find this in in in my freebie as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really simple.
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  SPEAKER_01: So put a number line, write um one, two, three, four, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
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  SPEAKER_01: Close your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then when you want to you want to check, am I tuned in?
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  SPEAKER_01: What we want is ten out of ten here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you close your eyes, you set your intention, that your windows, the windows are your are your, you know, the way that you're bringing your soul um, you know, answers through.
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  SPEAKER_01: Close your eyes, you set your intention, you open your eyes, and let your eyes gently scan up and down until they lock on a number.
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  SPEAKER_01: If they lock on 10, you're ready to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You've got to practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's still the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like at first you go, did I get that right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You probably do it 10 times in a row just to be sure I got it right, right?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, at some point you've got to learn to trust yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: At some point you've got to go, okay.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's what we always talk about, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then it's it's it's it's practice, it's committing to doing it on the daily and also not having like I know, you know, what you know, when you said that, like I know that sometimes the people like get into their head, but honestly, if you are really looking for healing and for a different, remember, we talked about it many times, for a different reality, then something has got to change.
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  SPEAKER_03: We cannot create a new reality or new experiences with the old thinking and the old habits, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: So really don't get into your head and get into the number line and commit to that change.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, and and again, we are very real on this podcast because and I'm also real with myself.
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  SPEAKER_03: I even recorded a TikTok about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I haven't posted it yet, care about you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like today, I even woke up with this message today, and I took it that it's coming from my intuition that you are continuing to experience the same experiences, the same emotions, because you are stuck on those emotions.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: You're having the same conversation with the same two people on a daily basis about the same topic, hence, you are creating those emotions again and again, hence you're creating those experiences again and again.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if you want to change that, you gotta change who you're talking to and what you're talking about.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: You can stay to you can still continue talking to these people.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want them in my life, but talk about something different.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so what I would say as well, it like spot on, someone will say, Well, how do I do it?
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  SPEAKER_01: How you do it is practice in a playful way.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because, like, you know, sometimes when you're really stuck like that, it's hard to find the way out, unless unless you've got someone else to talk, like that that can be difficult.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, what if I give you a game to play, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So that you can um change your energy.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because it also, you know, you can always change how you feel by what you changing what you think.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right, we know that, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That that the two things are like so connected.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if you if you're finding that difficult, another way to do that is go play an intuition game.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like go, all right, so what do I need to do here?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because your body, your intuition might come up with a com an answer you don't expect.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it might come up with uh, you know, go sing a song.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what's your favorite song?
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  SPEAKER_01: It'll come up with something that'll shift your frequency enough that in a way that you didn't expect, that will allow you to then change the way you think.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it shifts, like you said, it shifts your energy.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: So it shifts how you are, and then it shifts obviously how other people can show up too.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's that you know, what's inside's outside.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: So and that's the whole point of working in our with our bodies in this way as well, is so that when I can if I can, if my body can help me shift whatever is going on in really simple, easy ways that I didn't even think were possible, it could do it that easily, uh, then I've got more of an opportunity to to choose to be different, to, to do different, shift my own frequency, help my body heal itself, but also in the bigger picture, and um, you know, I know you're like it's like what's inside's outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's so important right now in the world.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's so important right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are seeing so much division, we are seeing so much black and white, we're seeing so much this, you know, judgment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's also got to be coming from with us in some way, too, right?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean that in a blaming way, I mean it in a recognition that I look outside and go, okay, so this is what I'm noticing.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: And what I'm noticing is a message to myself to go, okay, where's that within you?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: We've all had judgment, right?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: We've all we've all done that at some point in some way, of ourselves, even.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, okay, I'm paying attention.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a good message for right now.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um I want to go somewhere with the creativity because you know we've we've chatted about this.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Creativity is huge to me, and I've realized it plays a role in healing, and not just the creativity, but the the play, I think you said, the the joy.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like so many people that deal with ongoing health challenges, chronic health issues, whatever we want to label them as, have lost that.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they they don't know how to get to that place.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: So is this where art comes in for you?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I know you tie it in, but what what does art mean to you?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is that creativity?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, give me give me more.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: To me, creativity and intuition are the same thing.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same exactly the same flow of energy.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm creating, I can feel I'm in the same place.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like it feels the same to me.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: When I and I often will start by asking who wants to come through.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually do work in a sort of very energetic way.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Although some of my work looks um realistic, uh, it doesn't actually start out that way.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: I often will ask someone, and it doesn't matter where you are, how you're feeling, you can always tune in, you can always, you know, talk to your divine connections.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: You invite someone in who wants to come in, like one time, you know, Archangel Raphael comes in.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, cool.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: One another channel.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Angel, cool.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, everybody is available.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's available.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Someone will step forward.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's no different than when you tune in intuition and you say, Well, who am I working with today?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's my divine connection, God, the universe, you know, it could be it could be someone you know, someone you don't know.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and they are all within us, they're all part of us.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: So they're not separate.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so when for me, creativity, like you can start one way or the other.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes starting with creativity helps the energy flow, it helps you um begin to move your energy in a way if you can't get it moving in other ways.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you're feeling stuck, if you you're not feeling not well, sometimes just starting out with, and you don't have to do anything, you have to make something, it doesn't have to look like something.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Just get your crowns out, just get your stuff out, and just like make colours and you know, just enjoy yourself.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: That in itself lifts your energy.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, creativity it it's and intuition are almost like they cut they're the same flow of energy.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: And whether you start from intuition and you call someone in, and you I often will get a feeling or and then I go, What colour are you?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: And they go, Oh no, less uh, I actually choose the colours intuitively.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'll start with this.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: You love that.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you're talking.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just like, I'm gonna go get a canvas right now because I have some things that I get for my students, and like it doesn't matter because I really don't know how to draw, but I'm just gonna start like but that I love how you said play the game instead of you know, like getting too serious about it.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't matter what it's gonna end up looking like.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna put it in the museum unless Michelangelo shows up.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: You never know.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: If he chose up, he would be he would be very supportive, I'm sure, right?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to create the Sistine Chapel here.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's what I mean.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you you it's about play, it's the same message, it's about play, it's about curiosity, it's about trust, what comes to you.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it's fun to go, okay.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: So what colour would you like me to use next?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so green pops into your head and you go, Okay, I can do that.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like just play.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then you might find that what happens is after you've been playing for a while, like time goes really fast, and you get to the end and you just feel you know, it's it's like uh it's allowed the flow of energy to come through you, it's allowed your body to shift, it's allowed your emotions to move, you process when you when you bring a new you're actually you're thinking you're still thinking, stuff's still going on, and it comes out on the page.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I even have a game called Dimensional Drawing, and it's it's like this is how I use incorporate creativity.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: So dimensional drawing is I start with a script a script.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: We tune in first, always, then we do a scribble with your eyes closed, non-dominant hand.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows what it's gonna look like, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: It goes, you open your eyes, you look at it, your intuition will tell you this is where this is why it's not just about using your your your your inner knowing.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Look at it, and suddenly you will have a message.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: You'll have I what I'm seeing in this is it's a bit like you know, on the scribble, what I'm seeing is, and you will your intuition will show you where you're currently at and something that's been in the back of your mind.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Something you've been feeling that you didn't acknowledge, right?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: You'll see it in there, right?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then what we do is we go into interdimensionally, so it's a sort of a meditation that goes through the wormhole to a they're all different.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: I do a whole lot of different ones, but some one of them might go back, for example, to when you're a single cell before, like when you first came in as a spirit to the cell.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: When you remembered that you're love, when you remember that you are a divine essence, and that's really healing.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so you actually sit in that space, and then we do some stuff there, and then we come back and you do another drawing, except this time your energy is completely different.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Close your eyes, and I'm doing my head, right?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: You open it and you go, Oh my god, this is totally a different type of drawing, and the message is completely different too.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's how I use creativity, and like when you look, when you you realize that something has changed between the one drawing and the next.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody has to be an artist to do it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how I uh one of the ways I use creativity to mix it in.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things I'm telling my clients too is that I don't care what your creativity is.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you like crayons?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Bust out the crayons like a little kid.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to do like I had one client that couldn't think of anything, and then she's like, Well, I really love restoring old furniture.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that's creative, that's great, do it.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, start painting furniture, or you know, there's so many ways to tap into creativity.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I think people forget that, and then they get into their heads about, well, it has to look a certain way.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, it doesn't, says who?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I like coloring.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: I just, you know, but now I am going to do it from scratch.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: But what I've done is, and and you tell me, Jenny, if it's good, I've bought these books for color therapy, and then they're like they have the like really fun designs and like very calming.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I would just like color and and I didn't care what the you know the animal's color had to be.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't matter.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: I was just uh, you know, choosing the color that it was that looked fun to me.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: And and at the end it was like this wolf that has like pink eyes or green whatever, right?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: Because I didn't care.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, is that good?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I have to go.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's like that's like take letting the boundaries down, right?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's not it's it's like that the boundaries down, it's not we don't have to fit into what it's not supposed to look like, you know.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then can dancing be a creativity?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely somebody, you know, like creating the movements.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: So so so creativity is, I mean, it can be like freaking doing crochet as well, right?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's creating something.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: So it does not have to be.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: I think sometimes when we hear about user creativity, a lot of people go to painting and you know, like doing art, but it could be, you know, uh creating something different, like restoring furniture, like yeah, yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's a flow of energy.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it's a flow of energy, and you know when you're in it, like we are creative beings, everyone's got it.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not, you know, you don't it's there for everyone, but as you say, it comes out in different ways, it comes out in ways we enjoy.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: It does, and that's what I was gonna say.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: It gets you out of your head.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: I know you said that there's some thinking, but it does.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Time can really go by and it gets you out of my head.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: When I'm doing art with my clients, I'm like, well, how's your stress level?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, Oh my, I wasn't even thinking about X, Y, Z.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: And there you go, because you were out of your head.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: How are you using art then?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I have a membership and we have weekly calls, and one week a month we're doing an art call.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'll just tell them, bring whatever you're inspired to bring, crayons, colored pencils, markers, don't care.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, sometimes it's more like neurographic style art.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: Last time it was what's an emotion that's been eating at you, and they scribbled for two minutes, and then we intuitively picked colors.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: So it was just something to create.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: And honestly, I do the call based on my intuition and what I think the group needs.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: And they're sounds fantastic.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: Although I'm thinking Jenny needs to come in and teach an art lesson now.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: She should.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think she should.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think they'll love it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: So that'd be great.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know that I love that three-dimensional drawing.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: I definitely want to do that.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I wonder what it's gonna look like because that's true.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think the shadow is gonna come out first, and then yeah.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then I just wanna um just want to clarify some things.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: Tuning tuning in, like like when you said that the number lines, it's also getting present in the moment, and that's why the number line works.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: Is that correct, Jenny?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so sorry, yeah, I'll just go back to that.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: So normally I get someone to tune in first, and the number line is the way to check that yes, you are tuned in, you're 100% what you did is, and now you whatever comes next after this number line, you are accurate.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, because accuracy is the thing, trust is the thing that everybody, of course, all of us, if this is even though we're born with this natural ability, not many of us have had, including me.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't brought up in a way that I was encouraged with that and that I learned to trust it when I was young.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I always have a starting point, which is tuning in.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, um, there are lots of different ways.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: I I I'm trained in Qigong and and uh and you know, so I use like a heaven and earth one, um, I use and I use heart coherence, so mix those, mix those together, you know.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got like ancient stuff as well as modern.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I also use really simple ones as well, like for example, it's a statement because words hold energy, words are frequency, and they mean they also mean something to us.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, I might say, I am now empowered, enlightened, open and curious, and a few other things.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the if you actually say those words even in your head, and you sit with the frequency of them after you've said them, and then you check the number line, you'll find you're usually 100%.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one way that I find, and you could use the number line to check your own um way of tuning in.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, what I'm doing is saying make sure you're at 100% or make sure you're 10 out of 10 before you start.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because then you're more in it likely to go, okay, I'm I'm here.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've I'm that's it.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: What comes next is accurate, and it doesn't have to take long.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, Jenny, how does intuition connect with quantum?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Because we hear quantum all the time, right?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: With quantum healing, and how can that combination help us shift old patterns that might be blocking our health and our well-being?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this is where it gets really interesting, right?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so for me, I've been doing quantum stuff for a very long time, and it's I think it's evolving our understanding of what about quantum science and what quantum means.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: And what I have discovered recently is a way that we use our intuition to tune in to the quantum field.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you for those of like you know about the Akashic Records, you know about the quantum field, you know, like what is that that one?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's the one energy, right?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's the oneness, it's call it God, the universe, whatever you want to call it.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: We can through our intuition tune in sp to specific, very specific unconscious patterns that we are carrying in our field, that have been there to uh protect us, to keep us safe, that are things we've experienced this life or uh or even you know, if you're open to it to understanding that other in parallel lives.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: So not past or present but parallel.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: And what that means is that often when we're having something, let's say we're having a recurring pattern um happen, like maybe it's uh a recurring illness, uh, or a difficult situation, or something where we're just finding we're really reacting to it, or we can't we've done a lot of things and it's not helping.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um I have uh discovered that our intuition is the way that we can get access to those patterns and we can shift them really simply and change our frequency enough, it makes space in our energy for us to be different, and we don't know they're there.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that's the nature of an unconscious pattern.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: So and this is the thing that I have found, and it's quite amazing.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I can't ex even really explain how the um how the change happens, even though it's like really simple.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but what I've discovered is for example, um, you know, I was talking had someone the other day who was having panic attacks every day.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And we did one session and a week and a half later she hadn't had any.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or um, you know, someone else with a similar kind of thing was having, you know, a lot of anxiety at work and this sort of that, and the next day she was like just saying, I just feel like really peaceful.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: And this is like for me quite astounding.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: We know that we're powerful beings.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: We know that our heart intelligence is really powerful and can do and and it's the sort of the gateway to it's you know, this this energy field that is the gateway to understanding to to um understanding ourselves more, to being able to tune into how we can heal ourselves and to get the messages that we didn't know were there.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Am I explaining that?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ask me another question if I Yes, no, no, no.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_03: I and I was gonna ask you, is it the process that you used with me?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: So, and that was really cool.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: And by the end of it, it was, you know, calm.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, yeah, things are calm, but you know, um, you know, I'm going through some things, but I don't want to keep pointing the fingers at those things because you did mention something and I forgot what you said, but it uh it's it's that you said it's this the pattern that keeps repeating, the difficulty that keeps repeating.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm responsible for that, right?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_03: So immediately when you were saying that, uh it popped in my mind an image of going, of walking right now after we're done with this call and just listening to my intuition regarding this the difficult situations that keep occurring.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: I know there's a second party with that.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: However, I'm also responsible, but because I'm also part of the energetic experience.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: And um, so yeah, I don't know how to explain it, but it just like the minute you were talking about difficulty, I was like, oh my goodness, like I'm just I keep pointing at that person creating the difficulty, whereas I'm still bringing it in into my feelings.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, good on you.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's sort of like understanding your being responsible.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're being responsible for our own feelings, being responsible for how we're responding.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the the thing that I've seen with this quantum healing, I call it quantum intuition healing because it's a combo of two, is that when we shift these unconscious patterns, it makes space for you to be able to respond differently.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't make us be different.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: It it it takes away, because you know, when you think about it, like we know we have unconscious memories, right?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: We know that things we've experienced as a child, that we make certain decisions at that point about life and about how we need to be safe or to protect ourselves, or you know, if we experience bullying, you're experiencing it.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's lots of things we've experienced.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: They stay in our field in order to protect us, in order to keep us self, in order that when so whenever our body thinks that we are in a similar situation, because it doesn't know, it just knows you're feeling the same way, it will bring up this whatever you will feel like resistance, it will feel like uh, you know, you really re reacting strongly to this.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it may seem quite natural, it may seem to you that responding this way is is normal.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you, when you move those patterns, you will find that there's you it there actually is not you've got more room now.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: You've got more room to be able to choose to be differently because it's still we have free will here, like we can work and and and have you know divine intervention, if you like to call it, um, but it's still free will.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: We we st we we just need the space that we can then feel like we can choose to be different, choose to respond differently, and still something we have to choose.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna say this is this goes back to Denise, we've talked about it, the collective conscious and what you said in the beginning, Jenny, too, of like everything that's happening in this world that everyone wants to point fingers at, take sides with, whatever, blame.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: We also have to look within.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: We're all individually contributing to that.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: And and then none of this, none of this just comes from wishing, right?
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: And none of this uh comes from, you know, reading the book and not doing anything about it, or even doing one session with you and not doing anything about it.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's constantly the practice, it's constantly the, I think we've mentioned this before, is when you are, you know, raising the volume of your intuition up and then the other noises down, right?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: But that requires the awareness and the practice.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like with me realizing this while I'm talking to you, it could have taken me days because it really was like right now, I was gonna like, okay, I'm gonna call this one person.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: I call every time, and I'm gonna talk about the situation, but I was like, no, wait a minute.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: I keep bringing evidence of this difficulty.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: Deal with it with your intuition.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's a very good point.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's a very that that's it.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: See, that's your awareness.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, now instead of like you've got the because before you might have had like whatever that strong emotion is, like yeah, this was like anger or whatever, right?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: That was there so present before you you you had to do something right.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that was your way of like getting out.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now you have space to go, okay, wait a minute.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: I can see this now, right?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I've got room to to respond differently, and that that's wonderful.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that is like you get back in the driver's seat here, and this is where you this is where how I see, even in psychology, like I know we can change our thoughts and feelings, but we need to have the it's almost like I can see how the two work together now.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Once we remove the unconscious things, there's more ability to do to make those changes in our thoughts, in our in the way we're feeling about things, and that is going to result in exactly what we're talking about, which is what's inside is outside.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so you might even see people being able around you being able to respond differently too.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're offering them the possibility that they can also choose if they want to be different.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't mean right, right, right.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: But it's not you, but I'm not always saying that the difficult situation is coming because of that difficult person, right?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: So it is time because we are the divine is in us.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: It is, you know, we can awaken that divine in us.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, and that doesn't come it, it comes from practice.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Kira and I, I mean, we've say it every time it's not just the practice.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: I know, and it's like it's literally it's just because I think we are you so used to getting everything done tomorrow or today, or Amazon Prime everything.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: And even with the quantum, the quantum happens, yes, but the quantum happens when you practice your awareness.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, but we just like I just I'm just so grateful that we're having all this.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I see it as an evolvement.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so grateful we have all these new kind of ways of that I like.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I that was shown to me.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's not something I figured out, you know.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was like you need to do this, like, and this is what you do.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: This and I'm like, okay, let's give it a try, right?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see what happens.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, and for me, it's about living out a life that being open to okay, so what's my guidance here?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's as simple as that.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and some people uh if we really want to practice in a simple way.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: When I first started, I used to even do things like, and what am I having for breakfast today?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Just because it's fun, I'd be like, okay, because it's like it's a simple way to tune in fast.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to do, you don't have to, but it's you don't have to eat what you're being told, what you're being advised, but it's a way to fine-tune so that you can learn to trust.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I know when I get that message, that's what it feels like, or that's what it sounds like, or that's how I do it.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's also part of the practice is is figuring out how do you receive those messages.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like for me, it's more about I sort of it's a knowing, I more I more get a knowing.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I sometimes it every now and then might hear hear something, but that's not my main sort of channel.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you'd think I was an artist, you'd I'd have visuals, but I don't really I do, but they're not they're more like in my mind's eye, not like visual visuals.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Some people get really one of my friends is really visual, she sees stuff.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: So how about you?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how do you how do you um it's a knowing for me.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's annoying for me, and it's just words, like thoughts.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like they just come in.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like today I woke up with that thought.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, it is it's for me, it's it's a combination of the knowing and the thoughts.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's mainly thoughts because you know, like I I don't know, I don't know why.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: But yes, it's it's it's thoughts.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_03: Usually I do get like it's a combo.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: Because sometimes I do get visions or like um, you know, like I don't know what to call it.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, like a flash.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh well oh yeah, we're doing one over there to me.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: A flash whatever I'm doing there, too.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: A flash of insight sort of thing, yeah?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes it feels like I've lived it.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like a flashback.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be surprised if you have.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right, a flashback deja vu.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: So like um, but then I wonder that.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I wonder.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_03: I love how you said I wonder.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: I was reading a book the other day.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: I know that um I don't know if you finished it, Kira, but I did uh abundantly ever after.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: And she was interviewing somebody who mentioned, and I forgot his name, that it was he was talking about like the the not knowing.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: He's like he was like starting to be okay with not knowing.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what I'm gonna eat for lunch.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if I'm going to know anything.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever, whatever, whatever.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_03: And then he became, you know, he became okay with the unknown.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: And then once you are okay with the unknown, you open up more your intuition because you're not in control, you're not wanting to be into control.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: Because at the end of the day, we talk about it all the time, Kira and I.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we're truly not in control of things.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_03: So sometimes you have your plan, your day planned, everything is planned, and then one done.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's an illusion, isn't it?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think we learned that with I think we learned that through the COVID years, didn't we?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Suddenly we realized we had no control.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was very interesting.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Our whole lives completely like how we think things are gonna go and when it's gonna happen.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, yeah, I I agree.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Being being okay with uncertainty, being okay with not knowing.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's a tricky one.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I think everyone needs to recognize that.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, people always want to control things.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: There, there's we have no control over anything, truly.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I agree.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely not, absolutely not.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes God's like, ha ha ha ha.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: I tricked it.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: You thought you knew.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: You thought you knew, but then your your land was all changed.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I always say that we have two certainties in life, taxes and death.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's the one.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, some people live in the some people live in the boonies and they don't pay taxes.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe okay.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it applies as well here, like to me, that flexibility, if we think about it uh in its positive sense rather than not being like being uncertain, it's more about being flexible, isn't it?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: That um that flexibility applies in using when we're working with our in an inner wisdom, because it does ask us very often, give messages about things we need to do differently.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: And us being willing to do that, being willing to entertain the idea that I need to stop eating gluten for a week or two weeks, or just because the body's saying that's what I need, even if you don't know why.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you go, well, how is that related to like yes, if you that's rationalized that?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, no, no, no, you don't know.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay to try and understand.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: I still like to understand.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's that real rational part of me, right?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: But there are times when I have got messages and I've gone, well, that's what I'm just that's what I'm gonna do, and I don't know why.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't because I I don't figure I can't understand.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like when um put this previous book, um well, I got the game of intuition.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: There was a previous book that I wrote with people in um uh my soul circle, which is a group that's been running for many, many years, and I got a message, you need to write a book with your your and I was like, I don't know how to do that.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: How do you write a collaboration book?
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so I did all this research on then how to do it, and I was like, oh no, that's too hard, like all this tax and this and that.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know how to then this friend of mine who's who I've known for a long time, um put up a post saying that she's she's creating a series collaborative books.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Do I want to be in it?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, my you know, my intuition was like, Yeah.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, no.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, why is that yes, no?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like the answer was like yes and no.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't know.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is where you you get that the information but don't know why.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was confused.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, trust it.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a yes.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I said yes, and I said, Oh, well, this book looks good.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Then we got on the call, and she's and I told her that I'd had this like story about the message, and she said, Well, actually, what about if we do your own book just with your people instead of you fitting in by yourself into one of these?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, So there I got the thing that I'd been guided to do, and she knew how to do it.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: She had all the skills, she knew how to set it up, she do all the stuff, and that's why it was yes no.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm a yes, but I'm a no to that book.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I needed to say yes, even though it was actually a no to the the offer that I'd had.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean about trust, you know, it's like this is where the flexibility to go, I'm uncertain about what's how that's gonna turn out.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm uncertain about where I'm really going with this, but my guidance is a yes, so that's what I'm gonna do.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that's when we get the best results in life and in health, is when we trust.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I won't go into my stories, but I've had many, and Denise, I'm sure you have too, where I've just let go and trust it.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well that worked out better than I expected.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it does do.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel when you force it, it just you know.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't work out.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: It sure doesn't.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_03: It sure does not.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, yeah.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um Jenny, I know you have a free video series.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: Will you tell us what that is?
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: This will go in the show notes, but Yeah.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got a freebie called Activate Your Inner Healer.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it's actually designed specifically for people who are pretty much who you know you're intuitive.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe you've got um, you know, something physical going on, some sort of symptoms going on, maybe a diagnosis, maybe something quite challenging, and maybe feeling like overwhelmed with it, anxious, you know.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that even the the most intuitive of us faced with a difficult situation can find it difficult to tune in.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's sort of designed for anybody going through something like that, or any, it doesn't matter what it is, it can be any kind of situation, and you're finding it harder hard to tune in.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's who it's for.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: And what it does is it's three videos.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: One is the tuning in one that I use, that it's the more longer version one that's the more heeby-duty, you're right, so that you really know you're connected and grounded.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's the first one.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: The second one is the number line, how to check.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: So once you know how to do that, you only have to see it once, you'll know what to do.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the third one is a game, and that's actually the intuition message bank game.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll take you actually take you through it so that you've got the idea and you you can so you can you've got you know guidance for it so that you can actually get some practical answers.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: You can get some practical next steps.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: So that's it's as simple as that.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Denise, any final thoughts?
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: We are reaching our end.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: Any final thoughts, Jenny, that you would like?
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: We always ask our, you know, uh the person we're interviewing, uh, what are some final thoughts maybe that we maybe didn't cover or that you want to leave our listeners with, or maybe one, you know, a small thing that they can do for themselves or start.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're putting you on the spot here.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, I I I would just I think I just want to reiterate, you know, your symptoms are messages.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, listen to your body.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: If something's going on, listen, use your intuition to figure it out, not just your head.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, listen to your body and go, okay, I've got these are messages.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: What's it saying?
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: And um start to go within to get your next steps.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: Even if you're working with them in the medical system, you understand that your body is not just a physical thing.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: You're not just a physical being.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: You're an emotional, mental, spiritual, and every other quantum quantum being.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, quantum plate that you are more than just the physical, and uh so you can do healing at all all the levels to make it more permanent and uh you know you can finish the story with it.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, awesome.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much, Jenny.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I know I enjoyed my session with you, so if someone is interested, we'll definitely keep I know yeah, Kira did too, so we'll definitely put all of your information um in the show notes.
• 50:42
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• 50:49
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• 50:50
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• 51:02
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• 51:06
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• 51:07
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