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Privilege May Have Led to Alleged Double Murder | The Rob Reiner and Michele Singer Murders · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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Last night, as we were going over our headlines section, I
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brought to you an article from the Washington Post that was
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written about the history of Nick Reiner.
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And after consideration overnight, I've decided that
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we're going to dive a little more deeply into that article
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because it gives us more insight into Nick Reiner's upbringing.
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Now, this is not for the purpose of pointing fingers or casting
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blame or anything like that. It's for the purpose of just
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trying to figure out what may have happened, what, and also so
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that we might prevent something like this from happening in the
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future. And I'm talking like societally,
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not individually, you and me. So we're going to get into it.
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I'm really looking forward to it.
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Stick with me. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there, my friend.
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Welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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Gavin Fish. I sure I'm glad you're here.
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If you'd like to cut through the fluff and the sensationalism of
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true crime and get down into the nitty gritty, that's what we do
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here. That's what you found, and I
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hope you stick around. Thank you for joining me
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wherever you're joining me from. I saw the comment yesterday that
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said, hey, it's like romper room when you read where everybody's
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from. But I just love it so much.
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So romper room it shall be. Please tell me in the comments
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where you're joining me from, guys.
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Tonight we are continuing our coverage of the murders of Rob
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and Michelle Reiner, the Hollywood iconic couple that
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brought us so many classics that I mean, how do you even name
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them all? And, you know, I we as
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societally speaking, I think we value our entertainment maybe
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more than we value a lot of other things.
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But you know, maybe the first great movie I ever saw where I
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just felt like, man, that was a great movie, was A Few Good Men.
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That's a Rob Reiner joint, right?
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I probably should have said Princess Bride, but I was too
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young to understand what greatness was that?
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But anyway, these two last month were found having suffered sharp
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wound or sharp instrument wounds.
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I don't know if they're stabbed or slashed.
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And of course, we want to temper our coverage here with
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compassion, with humanity. And I think the reason that we
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that we are sticking with this case is because we love these
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folks. And, you know, let's, let's be
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honest, Rob Reiner was a little more public forward, a little
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more public facing. But both of them are responsible
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for so many wonderful things that have entertained us and
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have taught us and have informed us over the years.
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So that's probably why we're here now.
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Shortly after they were discovered, their son Nick, age
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32, was arrested and shortly thereafter charged with the
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murder. And Mr. Nick Reiner has a long
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history that is well documented by himself and others.
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He has a long history of substance abuse issues and
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mental illness issues. This is actually one of these
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cases where it's quite sad all the way around, right?
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There's no boogeyman to go after, at least in my opinion.
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There's no, there's no like, hey, there's evil personified.
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Let's make sure that evil gets, you know, held to the highest
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standard and that justice might prevail.
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Now, in this one, it just feels like there is none of that.
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There is just sickness. There is just mental illness,
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there's just disease, and there is just tragedy all the way
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around. But you may have a different
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opinion than I do. But that's the way I feel about
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this particular case. I take no joy in, in talking
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about this beyond the satisfaction of, of learning
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something new and trying to. I mean, this case might be the
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catalyst that makes some real changes in the, in the way that
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we treat members of our families and our communities that are
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suffering from mental illness. This case might do that and it
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might make a big difference for others.
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And so I think it's important to keep it in the zeitgeist to
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continue to talk about it. And that's what we're going to
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do here. Now, I know that in the
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commentary there were people that took umbrage with the title
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of the live stream, but I just want you to know that that's my
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intent is not to glorify or or sensationalize this.
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My my goal is that we might learn something, that we might
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be able to apply it to the to our laws, to the way that we
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interact with one another, to the way we build and maintain
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our communities. And yeah, so I guess that's all
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I have to say about that. Let me check in with y'all to
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see where you are tuning in from.
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I love this part of it. OK, Tel Aviv, right out of the
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gate. We got somebody tuning in from
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Tel Aviv. Let's see if I can get this up
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on the screen. There we are Amy and Noam from
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Tel Aviv. Calgary, Canada, Maine,
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Marietta, GA, the inner banks in North Carolina, Oregon, Houston,
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TX. Bermuda is back in the fishbowl.
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Thank you very much. North Carolina, Ohio.
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Lake George, NY, Tennessee, Colorado.
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Elverson, PA. Sunny but cold St.
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Augustine, FL, Puebla, Mexico is in the house.
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Lakeland, FL, Knoxville, TN Elizabeth says I loved romper
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room. Hello from frigid coastal
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Virginia. I loved romper room too, though
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that was I. I might be on the really, really
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young side of those of us who remember Romper room.
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No way. Shmoopy says Miss Molly lives
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four houses from me. That's awesome.
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More in North Carolina, man, we got our fair share of
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representation there. Fort Worth, TX, Central Ohio,
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northern Idaho. Wrong button.
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There we go. Baltimore, Southampton is in the
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house. Sudbury, Mass, Pittsburgh, PA.
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My neck of the woods, Meredith, NH, Houston, TX, New Zealand is
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here. Thank you guys so much.
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I do see that. We've got a couple of couple of
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comments. Let's hop in on these real quick
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before we get into the article. Gavin, it seemed like Nick was
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always being coaxed into participating in events he
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didn't enjoy. The dinner in the photo, the
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dinner in the Wapo article, Spinal Tap 2 premiere of the
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Conan O'Brien party. I guess it does.
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I guess I can see that point of view.
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Sure. Also, though, I, I can see it
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from the other side, where he, he was, and this is, I'm not, I
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shouldn't say this as if I know this, but it seems that he was
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their dependent and they were worried about him and brought
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him along for a lot of different reasons.
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And I can think of, you know, in my family, we have Kimberly and
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I have this, it's now kind of a running joke.
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It's forced family time. You know, when the kids were
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little, we would just yell out forced family time them and turn
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off the TV, turn off and stop doing whatever you're doing.
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We're doing something together, We still do that.
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And now we have when we had our second batch of kids, 'cause we
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have 5 kids in two batches, our, our little boy would be like, I
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want forced family time. So now it's become just like a
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thing that we all look forward to, forced family time.
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And maybe that's what they were doing with Nick.
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This, this kid, for reasons within and beyond his control,
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it appears to me, needed needed parentage.
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And now parentage is not the right word.
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Parenting. He needed, he needed parenting,
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it seems like to me. But I but I recognize or I I
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appreciate that that comment. Jenny is a fanatic for one
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month. Thanks for all the great
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compassionate coverage on every case you talk about, Gavin.
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Thanks to your great mods for being so welcoming.
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Great chat too. Yeah, we've got great mods and
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thank you. Glad you are here.
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See if there's anything else. Oh, here we are.
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Libu Grizzly arrived a bit late, but managed to catch a live
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watching from Salvador, Brazil, originally from Durban, South
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Africa. Very cool.
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Thanks guys. Thanks for tuning in.
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All right, let's join me, if you will over here.
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I'm going to start it over. We we read the first 5 or 6
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paragraphs yesterday, but I'm going to reread this.
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This is about a 10 page article. It goes by pretty quickly.
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Don't don't worry about it. I'm going to do my best to do
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breathing exercises because I'm not tired.
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Just have to have lots of oxygen.
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It seems like when I read, I start to yawn.
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By the way guys, and this is this is a tangent.
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Here we go. I have decided in 2026 that I am
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going to read 6 fictional books, 6 classics and that gives me two
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months to read each one. I am a pretty fast reader but
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but with fiction I have a harder time.
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Right now I'm reading A Tale of Two Cities, and it it, just as I
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read it, doesn't kind of make me on.
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Dang it, fish. OK, yeah.
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You guys are going to hear me on today.
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I'm going to do my breathing exercises.
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OK. How friends describe Nick
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Reiner, the son of Rob and Michelle.
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And by the way, that isn't the headline that the Wapo actually
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gave us. I don't know why when I printed
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it, it did that. Let me see this Washington Post,
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Nick Reiner on the actual post article and I can I can bring it
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up here for you to see. It says inside Nick Reiner's
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life of privilege, pills and pain, the subhead says.
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Friends say Reiner bounce constantly between rehab centers
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and his family's Los Angeles mansion, where he is accused of
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killing his parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner.
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But I'm going to read it from Acrobat because it just does.
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It's easier for me. No ads and all that stuff.
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OK By Amy Kaufmann Rob Reiner lifted a Turkey leg and asked
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those gathered around the Thanksgiving table to
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participate or to partake in a holiday tradition.
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The guests would pass the meet to one another, each taking a
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turn sharing what they were grateful for.
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Nick Reiner, Rob's son, was seated next to his father.
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It was 2018 and Nick was living in the guest house on his
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parents 13 and a half million dollar compound in Brentwood
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where the garden was filled with roses planted by the home's
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original owner, Henry Fonda. It's my understanding that he
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bought this property from Norman Lear who produced All in the
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Family. So many others that are just
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classics. Different strokes.
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I'm blanking on all of them, but there are they are many.
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So I think I think it was owned by Norman Lear for before the
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Reiners and then then the Reiners.
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OK. Unemployed at 25, Nick had spent
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a decade bouncing between this gated enclave and at least 18
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rehab facilities paid for by his parents.
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Robin Michelle. Singer, Reiner He's told stories
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on an addiction podcast about going to downtown Los Angeles's
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Skid Row to procure heroin and shooting crack cocaine in a
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McDonald's restroom in Maine. But after each bout of
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degeneracy or failed treatment, he always seemed to end up back
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here with his parents. For as much as he resisted their
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interventions, Nick had become accustomed to the trappings of
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his privileged upbringing. Unlike rehab, he had a staff to
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tidy up for him at home. He was so attached to his
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private quarters that he once demanded the family's
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housekeeper retrieve him from a friend's house across town so he
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could use his own bathroom, a childhood friend recalled.
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That's got to be strange to live in a, in a, in a home where
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there is staff, you know, coming in and out.
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And like, I don't even like staff at a hotel.
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I don't, I don't want housekeeping to come in and make
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my bed. It's, I don't know, it's got to
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just be a weird way to grow up. My God, we live in a pretty,
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pretty sizable house, You know, by, by worldly standards, I
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guess anywhere in the world. We live in a pretty big house.
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But I would never want a housekeeper though the builders
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of this house because I have and this is a bit of a tangent.
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Man, we're just going to keep doing this over.
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I'm sorry, but we have clippings, newspaper clippings
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from the original owners where they were advertising for a cook
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and a housekeeper. It's pretty funny.
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And in fact, the house has servant stairs.
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Have you guys ever seen a house with servant stairs where
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there's like the family stairs in the front of the house and
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the next, the steeper servant stairs in the back?
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Where we live, houses are like this, that there was just so
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much money here at one point. Anywho, tensions were high that
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Thanksgiving, According to a guest who attended the meal with
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roughly 20 others. This person saw signs that Nick
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might be using again, using air freshener to cover smells in the
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billiard room. Screaming, yelling, cursing,
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throwing tantrums. So violent one longtime
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household employee threatened to quit as the Turkey leg, which I
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think is maybe the grossest holiday tradition ever, but also
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kind of fun. They're passing this Turkey leg
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around the table. It's gross, but OK.
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As the Turkey leg made its way around the personalized place
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settings, maybe they were using tongs.
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Maybe it was like a Tong situation where they were
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grabbing it and putting on the next plate, which would be so
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gross. No, no, it's it's gross all the
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way around. My my wife would not do this
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tradition being a being a vegetarian.
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But anyway, as the Turkey leg made its way around the
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personalized place settings and professional flower
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arrangements, guests and family waxed rhapsodic about the
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bountiful blessings in their lives.
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When it was Nick's turn. Quote.
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Then it was Nick's turn, quote. Well, I'm certainly not grateful
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for this effing food, and I'm not grateful for any of you
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freeloaders in my house. I just can't wait to get through
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this effing dinner so I get back to my room. close Quote.
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Nick yelled, according to the dinner guest.
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Then he threw the Turkey leg at his father's plate.
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Yeah, Miss Shivo's Dragons. Like, maybe the Turkey leg has
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one of those paper frills on it. Oh, I sure hope so.
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Sure hope so. That is cause gross, man, gross,
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gross. Oh, OK, all right.
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Rob smiled. The guest said and picked up the
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leg. Well, that's really easy to
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follow. Thanks Nick.
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So of course, Rob Reiner being AII didn't know the man, but
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judging by his profession, he was a person that was who found
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the comedy and found the humor in everything.
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I think that I think that he was probably pretty unflappable.
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Plus he had lived for so many years with Nick having, at least
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according to reports, outbursts and episodes like this.
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OK OK continuing on like most I don't like this sentence.
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I I got stumbled on this sentence yesterday too.
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I'm going to re rewrite the sentence.
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Like most to whom the Washington Post spoke for this story, the
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people who describe Nick's behavior spoke on the condition
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of anonymity due to their due to the sensitivity of his situation
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after his parents were fatally stabbed in their home in
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December. Facing murder charges that could
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carry the DP, Nick, now 32, excuse me, and his attorneys
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have repeatedly twice postponed his plea hearing amid reports of
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mental illness and questions about where his siblings Jake,
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34, and Romy, 28, stand in regard to his defense.
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A Reiner family spokesperson declined to comment.
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A spokesperson for the Los Angeles County Public Defender's
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Office, which is representing Nick, declined to answer
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questions for this story. His previous attorney, Alan
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Jackson, has said emphatically Nick Reiner is not guilty of
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murder. I would add that Mister Jackson,
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who's a pitcher I can bring up right here in this very press
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conference where he said Nick Reiner is not guilty, prefaced
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that by saying according to the laws of the state of California,
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Nick Reiner is not guilty of murder.
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And that is a very, very, very important qualifier, right?
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He's not saying Nick Reiner did not kill his parents, that his
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parents did not die by homicide. He is just saying, at least to
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my interpretation, that he did so in an insane state.
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He was legally insane and the state of California, indeed, if
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he is found to be legal insane, legally insane, did I say that
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correctly, would not be guilty of murder.
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Now if he is found not guilty of murder by reason of legal
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insanity, he's still going to be in a hospital for the rest,
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probably of the rest of his natural days, he will be.
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I don't think Nick Reiner will ever unless he is found straight
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not guilty. Which I don't see happening,
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having not seen any of the evidence.
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We should say I think he'll be locked up for the rest of his
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life. I that's my belief, OK?
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Interviews with 14 individuals who knew Reiner, as well as
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interviews he gave to an addiction podcast from 2016 to
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2018, paint a portrait of a complicated young man struggling
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to find his footing in the world.
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The son of one of the most celebrated film makers in
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Hollywood, Reiner viewed himself as a black sheep in his family
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and was often consumed by feelings of inadequacy, with
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occasional bursts of temper or violence that usually coincided
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with drug use. I, I, I will, sorry, let me
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bring this back. I will also say this, and I've
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and I've shared this before in the little community to which I
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belong, the I, I was and I felt as a young man constantly in the
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shadow of my father and it was extremely uncomfortable.
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I really disliked it. Now, as I grew and began to
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understand just how good and I, I, I'm very careful not to say
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that my father is a great man. It's not like he's, he's like, I
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don't know, you know, the president of a, of a corporation
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or the President of the United States or, or cured cancer or
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anything like that. But my dad is a good, good man.
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Once I learned just how good he is and realized how what what a
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benefit it was to me and what a leg up it was to me being born
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to both my mom and my dad, but my dad was publicly just more
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forward facing that it became very comfortable being in that
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shadow. In fact, I've never really
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wanted to get out of it once I finally figured that out.
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And I think that what I mean, just based on my personal
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experience as just a tiny little fraction of what Nick Reiner
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would have experienced being the son of an icon of the
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entertainment industry that we all worldwide really value
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deeply. I can I can understand that.
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Maybe there was just a failure to launch there where he just
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wasn't able to get to that place because of maybe mental illness,
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maybe because of drug addiction, maybe combination of both.
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He wasn't able to get to the place to figure out, holy cow,
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this is great, right it. I mean, you, you kind of kick
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against the pricks when you're, when you're young on these kinds
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of things and all you end up with is a bloody foot.
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And it feels like Mr. Nick Reiner was unable to get past
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that, OK? His parents committed endless
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resources toward his recovery, sending him to treatment centers
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where most of his peers told The Post he was goofy and well
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liked. But after each rehab stint, he
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would return to treating his addictions casually, even when
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they led him to despondence and destitution.
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Reiner was not the only one with famous parents at the Wildwoods
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School and Elite K through 12 with two campuses in West LA.
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His classmates included sons of actors Bill Pullman and Robert
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Downey Junior. But Reiner stood out to John
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Dicarlo, a friend who met him at Wildwood in kindergarten, for
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his relatively sheltered childhood.
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Reiner wasn't a loner, nor was he super popular, Dicarlo said,
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an assessment shared by others. He would hang out with the same
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two or three guys at the beginning of every class, said
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Paul Manning, who taught Reiner's physical education
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class from 6th through 8th grade.
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So it sounds like he was just a normal average kid in his
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school, right? I think most of us had that.
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Well, I mean, the, the statistics would bear out the
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most of us were average or, or near average, right?
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Of course, there are the exceptions.
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There are the loners, there are the Super popular kids.
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But I think that we all kind of probably or most of us identify
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with that. He's just a normal average kid.
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OK, continuing the quote from Decarlo, growing up he very
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rarely slept out at people's houses, Decarlo said in the
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summertime, instead of going to sleep away camp or even day
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camp, his parents would host Camp Reiner at their house for
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some of the kids from school. I bet that was an interesting
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experience. On the final day of 8th grade,
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not having been invited to any end of year gatherings, Reiner
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and Dicarlo decided to smoke marijuana.
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It was Reiner's first time time trying pot.
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Dicarlo recalled. Holy cow, you know how I was
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thankfully, thankfully sheltered?
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Like, no, no, I did do sleepovers and I did do sleep
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away camps and I did all those things, but I would not have
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been, I would not have been able to find marijuana at the end of
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the 8th grade. I to this day, probably couldn't
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find marijuana. So an 8th grader, 13 year old
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decided to try pod. Interesting.
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Kate Reiner said he didn't start dabbling with harder drugs for a
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couple more years. In a 2016 interview on the
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podcast Dopey, a comedy show about addiction on which he was
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frequently a guest, he told a story about the drug bust that
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would lead his parents to send him to rehab for the first time.
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One night, when he was 14 or 15, he attended a house party where
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a friend became So I'll after taking drugs that he had to go
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to the hospital afterward, Reiner recalled on the show, he
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confessed to an adult at the party that he had also taken
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some pills, including Percocet. The news made its way to
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Michelle, Who quote, being a hysterical Jewish mother, rushed
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me to the hospital. close quote. He said Reiner's parents sent
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him to Visions, an adolescent treatment Center for mental
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health and substance abuse in Malibu.
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He would later describe it as fluffy, replete with private
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chefs, a pool, yoga and art classes.
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I think there are probably lots of different styles of rehab
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centers again and never never been in one, but I would there
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are probably lots of different styles I would guess right and
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different styles would work for different patients.
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He described it as fluffy. That does sound rather it sounds
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like he's saying so in a disparaging manner, One of his
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roommates at Vision said Reiner was quick to make a goofy joke,
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endearing him to the fellow patients.
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At night, the boys would come up with nicknames for staff
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members. Traffic cop for the former
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military guy, Paul Blart for the lazy one.
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His parents were there every single weekend, for every
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session, the roommate said. They never they really never
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ever gave up on him. It was the beginning of the
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couple's all consuming, years long commitment to their son,
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said many who knew them. That is that is beautiful to
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read. It's beautiful to read.
27:57
You know, when, when I think of hard hardship, in my experience
28:06
anyway, can do one of two things to to a committed couple.
28:13
It can either sew them more closely together, make them more
28:22
one, or it can break them apart. And, and I'm sure that there's a
28:27
spectrum where it's not, it's not a binary choice, but it does
28:30
seem like, like that's what tends to happen hardship,
28:35
especially with your children, right?
28:38
This is tough. This is extremely tough.
28:41
And I am aware of, well, I have friends of mine who have had
28:47
similar experiences in their families where they eventually
28:52
just kind of gave up on the, on the child that was having that
28:56
problem, changed the locks on the House, made sure that that
28:59
person couldn't get in because they were concerned about them
29:03
stealing things and stuff like that, right.
29:06
And, and no judgement because man, the, the amount of
29:12
resources that it would take to to do what the Rhiners
29:15
apparently did, you would have to be the rhiners to have those
29:18
resources. You'd have to be an extremely,
29:20
extremely high earner. But it's beautiful to see that
29:26
that as a couple, as a married couple, they seem to have sewn
29:31
themselves together for the purpose of trying to help their
29:33
son. They tried everything, set a
29:38
Brentwood mother who met the absolutely miserable couple at a
29:43
community group where they sought support.
29:46
The time these two parents spent their spent.
29:48
They're both very high-powered, busy parents, but it literally
29:52
felt like they put everything down to be there physically for
29:54
him. At one point, they had a 24/7
29:57
sober companion for him, she said.
30:01
Unbeknownst to Robin, Michelle Reiner was being exposed to a
30:04
tantalizing world of harder drugs.
30:06
At Visions, he shared a room with a boy addicted to heroin,
30:10
he said on Dopey. When I hear for 126 days how
30:13
good shooting up heroin is, every single night, you're going
30:17
to tell me I'm not going to go out and try effing heroin, he
30:20
said in 2016. I didn't try heroin until three
30:24
or four years later, but the seed was planted.
30:26
Oh, that's tragic. A representative for Visions did
30:31
not respond to a request for comment.
30:33
Around age 15, in 20 O 9, Reiner stopped attending school
30:39
regularly and began working with a private tutor.
30:42
When the lights were on and you conversed with him, he was
30:45
witty, and being witty takes a certain mental agility, said one
30:48
person who worked with the family around that time.
30:51
But Reiner also seemed listless, this person said, expressing
30:56
concerns about being in the shadow of his father, the
30:59
filmmaker. Which is so sad because they
31:02
didn't treat him like that or place that burden on him.
31:05
They would have loved him no matter what, the person said.
31:08
Let's, let's pause there for a second.
31:10
We're well, let's go about halfway, and then we'll get into
31:13
your comments. Hopefully you guys have lots to
31:15
say here. At 15, when many of his peers
31:18
began having sex, he said he stole $200 from his parents and
31:22
hired a sex worker via Craigslist to take his
31:25
virginity. De Carlo, Reiner's childhood
31:28
friend, remembers thinking it was an odd move, but Reiner had
31:32
done some weird S before. Wow, that, that is sad.
31:38
That saddens me. There was one point where he
31:41
stole his parents car and tried to drive to Las Vegas and I was
31:44
like, go Nick, De Carlo said. Great friend.
31:48
Oh my goodness, it all seemed harmless at the time because I
31:52
thought he had such a safety net that things would always go well
31:55
for him. I could never have imagined that
31:58
he would be truly destitute because his parents would always
32:01
be there to take care of him and bail him out of whatever
32:04
situation he was in. By the time Reiner was 16, Rob
32:08
and Michelle were growing tired of his antics and launched him
32:11
on a more intensive series of interventions on Dopey.
32:15
Reiner said he was sent to a program called Second Nature, a
32:19
3 1/2 month long wilderness program in Utah were struggling.
32:23
Teens lived outdoors, building fires and cooking their own
32:25
food. When the program was completed,
32:29
Reiner enrolled at Summit Preparatory School, a
32:31
therapeutic boarding school in Montana.
32:36
I vivid, vividly remember him saying, you know, if I could
32:39
just get my Escalade and a bunch of cocaine, I'd be fine.
32:42
That was his end goal, said Chris Crowley, one of four boys
32:46
Reiner shared a room with. Students were allowed to see
32:49
their parents every 12 weeks, and families participated in
32:52
Group therapy retreats. During these sessions, Crowley
32:56
said Reiner argued more loudly with his parents than other kids
32:59
did with theirs. Him and his parents did not get
33:02
along very well, Crowley said. His parents would fly in on a
33:05
private jet in this little Montana town that would get into
33:09
an argument and the next thing you know, they're flying back
33:11
out. Summit closed in 2020.
33:14
Its former executive director did not respond to a request for
33:17
comment. Reiner didn't appear to resent
33:23
his parents for sending him to treatment after he returned to
33:26
Los Angeles, De Carlo said. In between Reiner's rehab
33:30
stints, De Carlo said the two friends would hang out, smoke
33:32
weed, play with airsoft guns and watch poorly reviewed scary
33:36
movies such as Sorority Row. They often ate dinner at with
33:40
Robin Michelle and Decarlo said he never witnessed any big
33:44
outburst or arguments between them.
33:47
Reiner had to return from Utah and Montana programs with new
33:51
prescription drugs such as Adderall and Klonopin, which
33:54
Decarlo said he, Reiner and their friends began
33:58
experimenting with. OK, let's let's bring up our
34:03
victims here and just see what you guys are saying in the live
34:07
chat. Just want to check in here for a
34:09
second. Yeah.
34:15
Peanuts, Mom, you're psyching yourself out with thinking about
34:18
yawning while reading. The more you think about it, the
34:19
more it'll happen. Indeed.
34:20
I got to stop. I got to stop.
34:23
Promise. Jay Rhodes says I've attempted A
34:26
Tale of Two Cities twice, and I love fiction and Dickens.
34:29
That's. That's that one's just tough for
34:32
me. Well, maybe I shouldn't have
34:34
chosen A Tale of Two Cities. I was just like, I want Dickens
34:37
to be on my list. So that was the first one that I
34:42
thought of. Maybe I should have done like
34:44
Oliver Twist or something, but I'm more than halfway through
34:49
and I'm loving I, I think my favorite characters are Monsieur
34:54
and Madame Lafarge or Defarge Lafarge, whatever they are.
34:59
I love the little knitting. I, I love the the coded
35:03
knitting. It's really fun.
35:07
Oh, Mooney is reminding me we need a tangent emoji along with
35:11
Uncle Gavin and others we suggested.
35:12
Dang it, I know. Hey, listen, maybe some of you
35:16
are emoji designers. Maybe maybe if you are an emoji
35:21
designer, I tell you what, if you're somebody who can design
35:25
awesome emojis, reach out to me on meal website gavinfish.com.
35:31
It's right here. Click on this little envelope
35:34
that will take you to a page where you can, you can reach out
35:39
to me and I will put you in touch with my team and we have a
35:46
vetting process. Once the vetting process is
35:49
over, we'll get you into Slack and we'll start getting some of
35:52
these emojis that Mooney has been asking for that we have
35:57
room for on my in my YouTube studio.
36:00
We have we have enough room for them.
36:03
Excuse me. So just reach out and Mooney,
36:05
we're going to we're going to make this happen, OK?
36:07
We're going to do our best to make this happen.
36:12
Thanks for thanks for keeping me, keeping me on it.
36:17
Libu Grizzly says Gavin, addiction or no addiction.
36:19
The more stories that come out about Nick, the more he seems
36:22
like an entitled man child with 0 appreciation for everything
36:26
his parents did for him. I think, yeah, I mean, yeah, I,
36:33
I feel that way. I I, but I don't know to what
36:41
extent mental illness has like what component of it is
36:47
diagnosable inherited mental illness, you know what I mean?
36:52
So, yeah, that's thank you for the comment.
36:57
Robin says as a parent with a child who has mental health
37:00
issues, after 25 years, we just get used to things and appear
37:03
unfazed until we cry in the shower.
37:06
Robin, maybe that's what maybe that's what Rob was doing when
37:12
he said, I guess I have to follow that, right?
37:15
Yeah, because I'm sure, I'm sure they had their their breakdowns.
37:24
Great conversation happening over here.
37:26
Let's just see there are other cases where rich parents, says
37:31
Tina, where rich parents sent their kids off to these tough
37:34
love places. It didn't end well for the
37:36
parents, sadly. Yeah.
37:39
Dee says in this day and age, we need to put our differences
37:41
aside and allow there to be pathways for everyone who needs
37:44
help with mental issues. It's medical, not a political,
37:47
religious or personal issue. I agree.
37:49
I agree. Rachel, when does the trial
37:53
start or how long will it be till it does?
37:55
Years it'll be probably two years on this one.
37:59
It's my guess, Scotch's mom says tomorrow night.
38:04
Turner Classic Movies is honoring Rob Reiner by showing
38:07
When Harry met Sally, The Princess Bride, Misery and
38:10
Spinal Tap. You know, the only, I think the
38:15
only Rob Reiner movie I haven't seen is misery.
38:18
I've never seen that. And I know how well he I mean
38:23
his movies are amazing. I just, I, it, it scared me as a
38:28
kid, the, the trailer just scared me.
38:31
And I was like, I. But didn't Kathy Bates win the
38:35
Oscar for that? So maybe I should maybe I should
38:39
repent, see the light and make the switch on that.
38:42
OK, we got to hurry, Gavin. This one's going to go long.
38:46
OK, continuing on with the article, if they tried a drug
38:54
and nothing bad happened, they felt emboldened to continue
38:57
their exploration. Parents would say drugs are bad,
38:59
and then we would try cocaine and the next morning we'd be
39:02
like, whoa, I'm not suddenly a crackhead, Decarlo said.
39:05
Then it seemed like we could do any drug.
39:08
They bought bath salts from a souvenir shop on Hollywood Blvd.
39:12
and dropped acid in Pan Pacific Park when their parents thought
39:16
they were seeing a movie at the Grove, Decarlo said.
39:18
Then, when he was 18, Reiner reconnected with a friend from
39:21
Second Nature on Dopey in 2016, he recounted how he and his
39:26
former classmate drove downtown to Skid Row to purchase heroin.
39:30
After what Reiner described as an incredible first experience
39:33
on the drug, De Carlo said the two of them began seeking out
39:37
more on Craigslist. Dang it.
39:39
Once, when Reiner and his friends were looking up to
39:41
medications he had been prescribed in rehab, they were
39:44
surprised to discover one meant for bipolar disorder.
39:48
We were just kind of confused by that, De Carlos said.
39:50
There was never an indicator to me that he had any serious
39:53
mental health problems. That may have been something
39:56
that developed later as he got older, and I just wasn't aware
39:59
of it. Since his parents murders, the
40:01
New York Times has reported that Reiner was diagnosed with both
40:04
schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder at
40:08
various points in his life in 2020, the outlet reported.
40:11
He was placed under a mental health conservatorship that
40:14
ended a year later. Roughly a month before Rob and
40:17
Michelle were found dead. A doctor suddenly changed Nick's
40:20
medication, the time said. I don't know if it's fair to say
40:24
they suddenly changed his medication.
40:27
I think it's more fair to say that they changed his
40:29
medication. Trying to find the medication
40:33
that would work with what he was suffering from at the time,
40:36
complaining about weight gain and so forth.
40:38
At least if you believe what TMZ has reported.
40:42
With new addictions mounting, the Reiners sent Nick to Alina
40:45
Lodge, a New Jersey recovery center colloquially known in the
40:50
community as the Last Chance Ranch.
40:54
It was here. Reiner later recounted on an
40:56
episode of Dopey, that he threw a rock through a stained glass
40:59
window of the campus Chapel after staff refused to give him
41:03
a certain medication. A former employee at the
41:05
facility said Reiner was nearly kicked out after the incident,
41:08
but his parents paid upwards of 20 grand to have the window
41:12
fixed and he was allowed to stay another six months.
41:15
Everything was a joke to him, the former employee said,
41:18
describing Reiner as violent, Angry.
41:21
He was troublesome, loud in groups, talked out of turn.
41:24
Just disruptive. Kind of feels like it's building
41:27
over time, right? Representatives for Elena Lodge
41:30
did not respond to requests for comment.
41:32
But Reiner left different impressions on different people
41:35
in different circumstances after Elena.
41:38
Let me take a deep breath here. After Elena, he was sent to a
41:43
long term treatment center in rural Texas called Burning Tree
41:46
Ranch. A patient who was also treated
41:49
there in 2012 recalled Reiner's dry sense of humor and goofy
41:53
energy. He arrived just before the
41:55
Christmas holiday and spent days walking around singing the hook
41:59
from Paul McCartney's wonderful Christmas Time.
42:04
Is that simply having? Yeah, OK.
42:08
He would make fun of himself and commiserate about how miserable
42:11
the circumstances were that we were in, the former patient
42:15
said. He recalled Reiner once telling
42:17
him. I hope I haven't effed up my
42:19
life so badly that I can't do something with it.
42:23
But Reiner had still not hit rock bottom.
42:26
By his own accounts. He refused to attend more rehab
42:29
programs in subsequent years and at one point found himself
42:32
living out of homeless shelters in Maine.
42:35
He said he befriended an unhoused man who taught him to
42:37
shoot crack in a McDonald's restroom and inject Wellbutrin
42:41
intravenously. Afterward, Reiner told the man
42:44
that his father had once starred in All in the Family.
42:48
The man didn't believe him. So Reiner took out his idea, his
42:51
ID and recalled, he recalled on an episode of Dopey.
42:55
He was like Rob Reiner's son would not be under a Birch tree
42:59
shooting Wellbutrin. Nick would often seek out his
43:03
father during his darkest moments.
43:04
On another episode of Dopey, he recalled once taking acid at his
43:08
parents home. I started to have this thought
43:10
process of like, I'm tripping by myself.
43:13
God forbid I do a horrible thing like jump out of a window or get
43:16
so disillusioned that I do something crazy.
43:19
Reiner said. He said he couldn't stop
43:21
thinking about Ariel Castro, a Cleveland man in the news at the
43:24
time who had been convicted convicted of kidnapping and R
43:28
wording 3 women. With his mind continuing to
43:31
spiral into the night, he decided to wake up his parents.
43:35
Michelle retreated to a couch downstairs, and Rob invited his
43:38
son to lie next to him on the bed.
43:42
Calm down, buddy, it's OK, Next said his father told him.
43:47
I used to do this in the 60s. You come down.
43:49
Eventually, Reiner managed to get clean again and returned to
43:54
Hollywood around 2014, his dad fresh off a cameo in The Wolf of
43:59
Wall Street and directing Diane Keaton and Michael Douglas in
44:02
the little scene. Ron romcom.
44:04
And so it goes. It was a great movie.
44:07
Asked an executive producer on Fox's Family Guy if he would be
44:10
willing to give Nick an internship on the show to help
44:13
keep him on the straight and narrow.
44:16
The three month gig didn't require much responsibility,
44:19
recalled Andrew Hollingsworth, a production assistant who
44:22
supervised Reiner at Family Guy Studios for four hours each day.
44:26
He would help stock snacks, print scripts and greet
44:29
celebrities who arrive for recording sessions.
44:31
Rob would drop off Nick and pick Nick up every day from his
44:34
internship, Hollingsworth said. It was like Rob Reiner isn't a
44:38
busy person and Mid City isn't that close.
44:41
It's not like Rob Reiner isn't a busy person and Mid City isn't
44:45
that close to Brentwood. It was really admirable from
44:48
that side, you know, from the, from the parent side of things,
44:53
as many of you would know, that is our our deepest, our deepest
45:05
privilege to to be helpful to our children.
45:10
And I, I didn't understand it until we got adult children,
45:14
right? And, and they would, you know,
45:17
our kids are a lot like I have been with my parents.
45:20
They don't really want to ask. They, they want to be
45:24
independent and they want to, But when they do ask, it's just
45:27
like I will drop and Kimberly, we will drop anything and
45:31
everything to, to go help. So I think it's perfectly
45:36
natural and awesome. Hollingsworth said people in the
45:40
studios found Nick Reiner to be a really interesting, dynamic
45:44
person who is refreshingly honest about his previous
45:46
struggles. He felt like his family were all
45:49
in pristine and were all these pristine, amazing people and he
45:53
was sort of the effed up of the family, Hollingsworth said.
45:58
We sort of had a heart. We sort of had heart to hearts.
46:01
And I was like, you have everything in front of you, all
46:04
the best connections in the world, what do you want to do?
46:06
And he said he wanted to start stand up comedy.
46:09
During the internship, Hollingsworth said Reiner
46:12
started performing at a handful of reputable comedy clubs in LA,
46:15
including the Comedy Store. No footage of his sets could be
46:19
found by the Post. Reiner also began working on a
46:22
project that would eventually turn into the 2016 film Being
46:25
Charlie, which he Co wrote with Matt.
46:29
What is it? Alyssa fan Alyssa fan, a friend
46:32
he met in rehab. Initially, the duo envisioned
46:35
the story as 1/2 hour sitcom. It evolved into an hour long
46:39
comedy drama that Rob's production company, Castle Rock,
46:42
pitch to various networks. When no one expressed interest,
46:46
Reiner and Elisa Fon turned their script into a film that
46:49
Rob agreed to direct. All along I, for lack of a
46:53
better way of coping, had been asking myself, what can I do to
46:57
make art of this? Rob told The New Yorker in 2016.
47:00
Now that Nick was doing better, I told them maybe we can make it
47:03
a movie. Nick Reiner would later tell the
47:06
Dopey Co hosts that the film's publicity team urged him to
47:09
discuss his sobriety while promoting the film, but he was
47:12
in fact still smoking marijuana and drinking alcohol during the
47:15
press circuit. I don't got addiction licked by
47:20
any means. Reiner admitted to Howard Howard
47:23
Stern during one interview with his dad that year.
47:26
And I'm still very young, so who knows what will happen in five
47:28
years? Who knows what will happen in
47:32
nine years? Ultimately, the film met made
47:35
less than $33,000 worldwide and received poor reviews.
47:40
Reiner tried to keep his creative career going.
47:42
In 2017, he began working on a documentary about his famous
47:45
grandfather, Carl Reiner. But a little over a year after
47:49
Being Charlie was released, he relapsed.
47:52
After reconnecting with one of his old drug dealers in 2017,
47:55
Reiner said on Dopey. He got totally spun out on
47:58
uppers and cocaine, stayed up for days in a row and wrecked
48:01
his parents guest house. He punched television and a lamp
48:05
and was put on a plane with an interventionist to yet another
48:09
treatment program. During the flight he said he had
48:12
a cocaine heart attack. Don't know what that is, sounds
48:17
pretty self-explanatory. Passed out and woke up in a
48:19
Hospital in Boston. On one of the last appearances
48:22
on Dopey in August 2018, Reiner said he was smoking weed.
48:25
To prevent myself from smoking any other hard thing right now.
48:30
Living life as a functional addict was Reiner's ideal
48:33
situation said to Carlo. I think that's what he really
48:37
wanted. Like maybe one day once I'm old
48:39
enough, my parents are just going to step aside and realize
48:41
that I can do drugs and it's not going to destroy me.
48:46
But as much as he wanted to escape his parents rules, he
48:50
needed his security blanket of living in a comfortable house.
48:53
Or he could make a mess or leave dirty dishes out and not have to
48:56
make his bed because someone else would take care of it,
48:58
Decarlo said. Reiner rarely left his family's
49:01
property during this period, and when he did, his parents and
49:04
their staff kept close tabs on him, according to a friend of
49:08
the family who stayed with the Reiner's intermittently from
49:10
2016 to 2019, Reiner cloistered himself in the guest house above
49:15
the family's billiard and screening rooms, a few steps
49:18
from his parents residence. He had a cook in the main house,
49:21
where his family placed a camera after he accidentally left the
49:25
burner on, got distracted and almost burned down the effing
49:28
house, the friend said. Signs eventually emerged that
49:32
Reiner was using again. He would run to the gate to get
49:36
deliveries for things that clearly weren't food, or
49:39
suddenly it would start smelling like Febreze in the billiard
49:41
room, the family friend said. His behavior became more
49:44
volatile, screaming, yelling, cursing, throwing S to the point
49:49
where an employee who had worked for the home in the home for 20
49:52
years threatened to quit because he was genuinely scared of
49:54
Reiner, this person said. One morning, the friend sat with
49:58
Rob drinking coffee before the rest of the house awoke.
50:02
It's like a mansion prison, Rob said.
50:04
If I knew it could be this bad with one kid, I wouldn't have
50:08
had any. Oh, that's sad.
50:11
Still, Rob and Michelle were reluctant to escalate matters to
50:14
place an involuntary psychiatric hold on Reiner.
50:18
Rob would have to would have had to watch the cops wrestle on my
50:23
effing kid to the ground and handcuff him to a stretcher and
50:27
then put him in a psych ward, he told the friend.
50:29
I don't want to live through that.
50:31
De Carlo last saw Reiner in person in 2020.
50:34
After Rob and Michelle were killed and his friend was
50:37
arrested, he checked his Facebook messages for the first
50:39
time in a while and saw that Reiner had been asking to hang
50:42
out and reconnect. Regretfully, it seems like he'd
50:47
been reaching out to me kind of a bit over the last couple of
50:50
months, he said. And I just had been dealing with
50:53
my own things, so a lot of the messages went unresponded to on
50:56
my end. Decarlo has since scheduled a
50:59
forthcoming visit to Twin Towers Correctional Facility, where
51:02
Reiner is being held without bail.
51:04
Decarlo said he has reached out to some of their other old
51:07
friends to check if anyone else wants to go with him.
51:10
No one has yet to take him up on the offer.
51:14
And again, that is written by Amy Kaufman from The Washington
51:21
Post. And I don't know, what did we
51:25
learn? What did we learn in this?
51:27
You know, we learned. I kind of look like Nick Reiner
51:34
got my hair slicked back and in a ponytail.
51:39
I'm like an old version of Nick Reiner.
51:41
That's what I learned. No.
51:42
Is there anything else we've learned here?
51:44
I mean, I don't know. I don't know, man.
51:50
It does seem like this kid was given every chance, every
51:53
opportunity, every possible break, and for whatever reason,
52:00
he squandered it. I mean, what do we learn?
52:10
I don't know. Let's see what you guys are
52:11
saying over here. Let's bring up, let's bring up
52:15
Rob and Michelle again and see what you guys are saying over
52:18
here. Let me refresh. 5 #1 Tina
52:25
Lucille says that I must watch Misery.
52:29
Yeah, it's, it's Kathy Bates. Man, I, I should watch that,
52:35
Rochelle says. I wonder if there is a history
52:37
of mental illness or drug addiction in his family.
52:42
Yeah, I I don't know. I don't know.
52:45
Scotch's mom misery is good. And yes, she won the Oscar for
52:48
it. I watched it Christmas Eve and
52:49
my daughter's house for the first time.
52:51
She was terrified and refused to watch it with me.
52:54
Yeah, the whole, like, hammer to the legs thing.
52:59
And what's the name of the actor?
53:02
Sunny Corleone? What what is his name?
53:05
I I'm blanking on it right now. But also a terrific actor,
53:08
right? Promise.
53:11
Jay Rhodes says try Nicholas Nickleby.
53:14
If you choose to read another Dickens.
53:15
It's wonderful. OK, I, I don't know that I ever
53:18
will read another Dickens. It's a it took me a while to get
53:23
into the, the Victorian prose. You know, it's kind of tough,
53:27
Paige says. I would think it would almost be
53:30
impossible to prescribe medication for mental illness if
53:33
he was continually using illegal drugs.
53:36
I doubt he's very honest about his use.
53:39
Yeah, I think you're right. And that's something that Doctor
53:41
Drew said. I can't remember where.
53:44
The one where, you know, the job of the medical professional is
53:48
to see through the facade, right, And see and be able to
53:55
see through those lies. Of course, that's going to be
53:58
more art than science. Dee says he sounds like someone
54:02
who loves the drugs and does not want to give them up.
54:05
You know, this is not a perfect comparison.
54:08
But before I finally decided to take take seriously the idea
54:15
that I didn't want to be fat Gavin for the rest of my life,
54:18
that I wanted to be fit Gavin. I want to be healthy Gavin.
54:20
I didn't want to be the the old man that lost his legs to type 2
54:25
diabetes and had to depend on his wife for everything.
54:28
I didn't, I don't want to be that guy.
54:30
But for maybe 2 years leading up to it, I would go down to sheets
54:36
or the quick fill or 711 or wherever it was and I would grab
54:41
a giant cup and I would go and, and give my get myself a Pepsi.
54:47
And the entire time I was filling that up, I was going,
54:50
you shouldn't be doing this man. You shouldn't be doing this.
54:52
And then talking to myself. Well, you know, you, it's good,
54:56
you love it, it tastes great. You've been doing this your
54:58
whole life. And, you know, having that
55:00
argument with yourself and and again, not a perfect analogy by
55:06
any stretch of the imagination, but you know, it, it seemed at
55:12
least at the end of the article that he was just like, well,
55:15
yeah, I'm I'm a drug addict and I just want to be functional and
55:19
and and that's the best that I can hope for.
55:24
That's pretty sad. Pretty sad.
55:31
All trails lead to love or lack of, is what Fourth opinion says.
55:38
Fourth opinion also says they could have given him the world.
55:41
He never felt loved. Even though it appears he was
55:43
deeply loved, He never felt it. Huh.
55:47
That's interesting. Just refresh by.
55:53
Again. Tina says it sounds as if he
55:55
didn't have any real friends because he was innately a bad
55:58
dude and only cared about what he wanted.
56:00
James Caan, Thank you. Thank you.
56:03
Yeah, Well, I remember. You know, when you, when you
56:07
turn 151617 years old, you're, there's actually that's a part
56:12
that's a stretch into adulthood. That's very important, right?
56:16
And I remember that leading up to that time, I had certain
56:20
friends that I hung out with all the time.
56:22
And then as we, as we started to kind of as we, as we grew, we
56:31
grew apart because they made choices like, like smoking was,
56:35
was it was one of the things that one of my friends just
56:38
decided to do. Like his family didn't smoke.
56:40
Nobody, nobody that he hung out with before that smoked.
56:44
Why did he pick up smoking? I don't know.
56:47
But that that like that took him on.
56:50
Like I was headed this way and that just took him this way and
56:53
we grew apart and there were there were several friends like
56:56
that. Like if I had a friend that was
56:59
starting to do drugs, I would be like, I mean, love you dude, but
57:05
take care that that's the way I would be at 151617 years old.
57:09
So it seems like the only friends that he gravitated
57:12
towards were the ones that were would do that with him.
57:17
Yes. And thank you, James Caan.
57:19
James Caan, you guys are taking me.
57:22
You're you're helping me out. Neely, 888 says people needing
57:28
treatment don't need a five star spy.
57:30
It's hard work or should be. Well, it seems like the writers
57:32
tried multiple different things, right?
57:37
The camping one, the the last chance, you know, camp the whole
57:42
thing peanuts. Mom says sugar is addictive as
57:45
St. drugs. Yeah, kicking sugar was pretty
57:47
hard for me. But I I would not compare myself
57:50
to somebody in the throes of, you know, hard drug addiction.
57:56
And Mooney says the Super big Gulps were the best in my
57:59
younger years. Very little ice, all Diet Pepsi.
58:02
Yeah, I I'm a Big Gulp addict. I and I have not had a soda
58:06
since August 28th. Not that I'm counting or
58:11
anything like that. Wow.
58:14
I mean that that was a real, I guess real hard look into a life
58:21
of a guy that I think by his own fault and maybe a combination of
58:27
the fault of mental illness, just never was able to get a
58:31
grasp on life. And and it appears to have led
58:35
to the murder of his parents, which is just so tragic on so
58:40
many levels. But yeah, let's get into three
58:45
questions. It's three questions with Gavin
58:48
Fish. Pow.
58:54
OK. In the three question segment,
58:55
guys, I answer three of your questions that you send into
58:57
three questions at gavinfish.com.
58:59
If you think I won't answer your question, boy, do you probably
59:04
not believe how few questions I actually get.
59:09
You can send in as many questions as you want as often
59:12
as you like to. Three questions at gavinfish.com
59:15
spelled out THREE questions at gavinfish.com and I will do my
59:19
best to answer all of them. Now, the questions that I've got
59:22
here that came in, these lend themselves well to me, to you
59:26
guys telling me how you would answer them as well.
59:29
So as you're listening to my answers here, I would love to
59:34
hear your answers as well. So let's get into a question #1
59:40
if you could have any superpower for one day, what would it be?
59:45
What would my daily superpower be?
59:51
I mean, there are the classics, there's flight, there's
59:54
teleportation, there's time travel, transmutation.
1:00:02
I think I would be, I, I would, I would want to have, let's say
1:00:06
the Midas touch. On command, not just the Midas
1:00:11
touch, but yeah, I would love to be able to just touch something
1:00:15
and turn it into solid gold, assuming that it always that it
1:00:18
just stays that way. And then I'd be like I, I'd be
1:00:23
the guy that like takes gold in and sells it and stuff like
1:00:27
that. Yeah, I think, I think
1:00:29
transformed the having the Midas touch would probably be my
1:00:33
superpower for the day. That's pretty self-serving.
1:00:36
But maybe not. I mean, if I could make myself
1:00:39
tons of gold, like let's say I was able to make 2000 lbs of
1:00:44
gold. What does gold go for for an
1:00:46
ounce right now, Let's see. So 2000 * 16, that would make me
1:00:53
32,000 ounces. Gold price per oz is 5195.
1:01:06
So we would multiply that by 5195, that'd be 166 million just
1:01:12
with one ton of gold. That's all I feel like I've got.
1:01:16
I think I've got enough stuff to turn into like maybe I would
1:01:19
just it doesn't. That would be my superpower I
1:01:22
think. Love to hear what you guys
1:01:24
think. Question #2 What was your dream
1:01:27
job as a child? When I was a kid, I just all I
1:01:31
wanted to be was a pilot and an astronaut.
1:01:36
My idea was that I would go to college, I would get my
1:01:39
bachelor's degree. I would then go to the Air Force
1:01:42
Academy where I would become a pilot.
1:01:46
And then after the Air Force, I would apply to NASA and become a
1:01:52
an astronaut. Those dreams came crashing down
1:01:55
when I was 13 years old. And I went in to have my eyes
1:02:00
checked and I was found to have a severe color that's called
1:02:06
color blindness, what we call color blindness.
1:02:08
And that disqualified me on the spot.
1:02:16
So starting about age 13 to what am I now 50?
1:02:20
I don't know what I want to be when I grow up.
1:02:23
I still don't. I only ever wanted to be an
1:02:25
astronaut. Question #3 What is a hidden
1:02:29
talent you have that almost nobody knows about?
1:02:33
OK, so I am an open book. All of my talents are unhidden.
1:02:39
At least I couldn't think of any hidden talent that I had.
1:02:44
I did have a We had a question like this maybe a month ago
1:02:50
where I told you guys about how I'm able to pop my lips like
1:02:53
that. And I can I can do songs.
1:02:55
I can, I can do different tones and pitches and stuff.
1:02:59
But yeah, so I asked my wife and she gave me a list it on this
1:03:08
little piece of paper right here.
1:03:11
She says that I make a great Elvis slash Pharaoh.
1:03:18
I can sing, I can dance and everything.
1:03:20
She's talking about my ability to I I used to do a lot of
1:03:26
theater and in the 26 years that we have been married, I have
1:03:31
only been able to do 1 musical and it was Joseph in the Amazing
1:03:35
Technicolor Dreamcoat. I played Pharaoh and yeah, I
1:03:41
knocked it out of the park. I did OK, Another one, she says
1:03:46
I can head butt a volleyball with incredible accuracy.
1:03:50
I can if we're if we're bumping and sitting and spiking in a
1:03:53
circle or something, they're playing volleyball.
1:03:56
Yeah, I I'm good at I'm I'm good at control of the volleyball
1:04:00
with my old head when he got a forehead this large, you've got
1:04:05
you got an advantage, she said. I can find and sing the base
1:04:10
harmony in any pop song. Well, she is wrong about that.
1:04:15
I can do that in any song. My my ears hear bass very well
1:04:21
and and I'm pretty darn good at harmonizing.
1:04:24
And so, yeah, I do that pretty well.
1:04:27
And then she said, I'm a really good teacher, especially with
1:04:30
concepts. I don't consider myself a good
1:04:34
teacher, but if there's something that I understand
1:04:36
deeply, I am very good at explaining that.
1:04:39
The old adage that was attributed to Einstein, but he
1:04:42
never said it. If you can't, if you can't
1:04:45
describe something simply, you don't understand that thing,
1:04:48
right? Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty darn
1:04:53
good at that. And I'm a person again, never
1:04:56
knew what he wanted to be when he grew up past the age of 13.
1:05:00
Who has I have many interests. I do lots of different things
1:05:06
and tend to get because of my obsessive nature, tend to begin
1:05:14
to understand those things on a deeper level.
1:05:17
And you know, for example, I used to work for a company
1:05:23
called CVTL and we manufactured high end audio gear.
1:05:27
And the, the chief engineer and owner of the company wanted to
1:05:32
be able to communicate to people why he made his electronic
1:05:38
networks the way he did and how how he tuned them to different
1:05:43
harmonic structures. And in a conversation that he
1:05:47
and I had, he found out really quickly that I understood the
1:05:51
mathematics of, of, of musical harmonics.
1:05:56
Well, it's just, it's really audible harmonics, right?
1:05:59
It's just, it was something I was interested in.
1:06:01
I, I picked it up. And so I remember working in
1:06:04
that company too. I had AI had a coworker who was
1:06:09
a talented, talented musician sitting next to me.
1:06:13
He was a percussionist And he, he was just, he was just a
1:06:17
talented musician all the way around.
1:06:21
And we were talking about, for some reason, we somebody asked a
1:06:29
question about vibrato, like, why do people sing with such
1:06:32
vibrato? And I was able to just go, well,
1:06:34
I can tell you exactly why it hides pitchiness.
1:06:37
It, it accentuates tambour, you know, it, it creates an average
1:06:42
note, which makes our ears interpreted as a, as a good
1:06:49
note. And I was able to, you know,
1:06:50
talk to him about he's like, how did you know that man?
1:06:54
Like, well, choirs, so many choirs growing up and
1:07:00
understanding that as a choir you can't do that.
1:07:02
As members of a choir, you can't do that.
1:07:04
You have to be on pitch because the different residences will
1:07:08
come together and will create that overtone residence.
1:07:14
That sounds like a vibrato anyway.
1:07:15
So yeah, I'm, I'm pretty darn good at describing concepts that
1:07:20
I am teaching, concepts that I understand deeply.
1:07:23
Those are my answers. Hopefully, I hopefully you guys
1:07:27
are busy with your little flums typing in your what you would
1:07:32
say is would be your superpower of the day, what your dream job
1:07:37
would be as a child, and what your hidden talent is because I
1:07:41
would really, really like to read it.
1:07:45
And so I'm going to give you a little time to put that in while
1:07:47
I read some headlines. Home.
1:07:57
OK, I'm going to start with a headline that we're probably
1:07:59
going to cover tomorrow. This is breaking news today in
1:08:04
the case against Michael McKee, the man accused of murdering
1:08:09
Monique and Spencer Tepi. Michael McKee court docs say he
1:08:13
stalked Monique Tepi before killing the couple.
1:08:15
I have requested these documents.
1:08:16
Hopefully I get him in for tomorrow. ex-husband Michael
1:08:19
McKee, accused of killing Monique Tepe and her husband
1:08:22
Spencer, visited the couple's the couple's Weinland Park home
1:08:25
weeks before they were found shot to death, according to
1:08:28
newly unsealed court documents. The affidavit from Franklin
1:08:31
County Municipal Court provides fresh insight into the
1:08:34
investigation. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah
1:08:37
blah blah blah. Court records say McKee visited
1:08:41
Tepe home weeks before the killings.
1:08:43
According to court records, video showed McKee going into
1:08:46
the area of the Tepee home on December 6th and then showing
1:08:49
him leaving a few hours later. The affidavit describes the area
1:08:53
McKee entered as the curtilage, which is legally considered part
1:08:57
of a house but typically thought of as the yard, outdoor
1:08:59
buildings, porches in similar areas.
1:09:02
The Tepes were at the Big 10 Championship football game that
1:09:05
night. Court records say Monique left
1:09:07
the game at half time to return to the hotel.
1:09:09
Court records say Spencer told friends that Monique was upset
1:09:12
about something involving her ex-husband.
1:09:16
Let's see, I'm just going to skip down.
1:09:19
The affidavit also details how Columbus homicide detectives
1:09:22
work to identify a vehicle seen on surveillance footage near the
1:09:26
Tempe home before the homicides that left shortly after.
1:09:30
That vehicle, identified in court records as a silver SUV,
1:09:32
had been seen on video several times near the Tempe house at
1:09:35
different times. The SUV, which had distinct
1:09:38
features that included a visible sticker on the window, was seen
1:09:41
with a stolen Ohio license plate and an Arizona license plate.
1:09:45
Court records said the SUV was linked to the past address in
1:09:49
Rockford, IL, associated with McKee and the hospital where he
1:09:54
worked. So we are going to get into this
1:09:58
more tomorrow, hopefully when we get that affidavit.
1:10:02
Here's something from News Nation.
1:10:03
David maybe offered deal and select Celeste Rivas Hernandez
1:10:07
case according to the private investigator, Mr. Fisher.
1:10:13
I think this is just one speculation, but I'll read it.
1:10:16
I'll read a little bit of it anyway.
1:10:18
The latest arrest potentially related to the case of dead
1:10:21
teenager Celeste Rivas Hernandez has private investigator Steve
1:10:24
Fisher concerned. Music artist David, his real
1:10:27
name is David Anthony Burke, is reportedly considered a suspect
1:10:31
in the death of Celeste after police discovered her body and
1:10:34
his Tesla. Neil Langston, which we said
1:10:37
yesterday was arrested in Montana.
1:10:39
And then Fisher says Neil is a person who is around David a
1:10:43
lot. And if he was subpoenaed as a
1:10:45
witness, that worries me a little bit because, you know,
1:10:47
targets typically typically won't be called before a grand
1:10:51
jury or they would plead the 5th, Fisher told Jesse Weber
1:10:55
live on Monday. So if they need Langston as a
1:10:57
witness, that makes me think that David might be off, might
1:11:01
be being offered a deal. So we'll see what happens there.
1:11:07
That's interesting insight. Lastly, our our old buddy, I say
1:11:15
in with tongue planted firmly in cheek, Luigi Mangioni.
1:11:21
His lawyers aim to keep items police found during arrest from
1:11:24
being used at trial. Legal expert says let's see.
1:11:27
As Luigi Mangioni's highly anticipated federal trial could
1:11:31
start by year's end, his defense team is working hard to prevent
1:11:33
jurors from seeing some of the most incriminating evidence
1:11:37
against him, including an alleged murder weapon.
1:11:40
So Mangioni's lawyers might have a viable legal Ave. to prevent
1:11:45
items discovered during a search from being introduced at both
1:11:48
his state and federal trials. Several experts told the
1:11:52
Guardian one legal expert even said that if New York City, if
1:11:57
the New York City judge decided against admitting these items,
1:12:00
it could all but gut the case. I don't think that's going to
1:12:04
happen though. I just, I just thought that I'd
1:12:06
bring that up. Those are your headlines, true
1:12:16
crime headlines. Now let's do one more checkaroo
1:12:20
to your comments. Reuters 7777.
1:12:26
Did you have any withdrawals from stopping cold Turkey?
1:12:28
Yeah, I was tired and and like just really, really wanted the
1:12:34
the the sugar rush, but I just stopped.
1:12:38
I just stopped. Miss Chivos Dragon says.
1:12:43
Oh, I never finished watching the short that Gavin post about
1:12:45
their music room. Yes, indeed, I did post a short
1:12:47
and a reel on Facebook. You guys were interested about
1:12:50
the music room? Fourth opinion is asking a
1:12:54
question that's against the rules.
1:12:57
Send it to me at threequestions@gavinfish.com and
1:13:00
I will consider answering it. Tina.
1:13:06
OK, Everything inanimate. I touched turns.
1:13:09
Yeah, that's a good one. Let's see.
1:13:11
Emmy Nikolov says you wanted to be a flight attendant or a
1:13:15
travel agent. You want to see the world?
1:13:17
Yeah. That is cool.
1:13:19
Heather, Whatever says your wife is cool.
1:13:21
My wife is cool. She's the coolest.
1:13:25
Scotch's mom says she can sing. That's awesome.
1:13:29
Cat says she enjoys singing. Or he.
1:13:32
I don't know. No one wants to listen to my
1:13:34
tone deaf noise, Tina says. You know a lot about many
1:13:39
things. It's not, it's not something to
1:13:41
aspire to. I just I do get interested in
1:13:44
things and I tend to dig deep. Right now I, for my own therapy,
1:13:49
have taken up painting for the first time in my life.
1:13:52
And, and I think it's probably going to be something that that
1:13:58
will be my next hobby that I really enjoy.
1:14:00
I don't know. Can you see that down there?
1:14:03
I don't know. I'm I'm yeah, I'm working on
1:14:06
working on a painting down here. Just yeah, that's I I get bored
1:14:11
of things really quickly. That's the main problem.
1:14:14
That's the main problem. Let's see.
1:14:19
Fourth opinion says thank you for a great evening and unbiased
1:14:22
opinion. Enjoy your evening.
1:14:23
You too. Irene says the Thanksgiving
1:14:27
incident was a power move. In my opinion, he knew he could
1:14:29
mortify his parents in front of loved ones, and he did just
1:14:32
that. The kid ran the house.
1:14:35
Possible. I've travelled to many places.
1:14:38
Singapore, multiple Gary and Malaysia.
1:14:40
Yeah. I think World Travel is fun,
1:14:42
man. It's fun.
1:14:47
Barb. Barb Olson is asking if Javier
1:14:50
made it into work today. Yeah, Javier has been doing well
1:14:53
today. He's he's he's pushing the
1:14:55
buttons, right. He's switching the toggles, he's
1:14:59
pulling the levers. He's doing it amazingly well.
1:15:03
And it's only a second day on the job.
1:15:05
Can you believe that? Good job, Javi.
1:15:07
Well done, Javi. Yay.
1:15:09
OK, guys, that is it. We've gone way over.
1:15:12
This has been a really, really long one.
1:15:14
Thank you very much for joining me tonight.
1:15:16
Tomorrow we're going to get back over into the TEPI case, as I
1:15:20
said, because I think I will have that affidavit that we can
1:15:23
go over. I love to get into documents
1:15:25
like that. So join me tomorrow night at
1:15:26
6:00 PM Eastern. Join me over in the fish tank on
1:15:30
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1:15:32
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1:15:34
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1:15:37
With that, I shall bid you adieu.
1:15:39
Thank you very much for being here, and I'll catch you on the
1:15:41
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