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Lessons On Longevity From Visiting Over 100 Countries, With The Legendary Dr John Tikell · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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Speaker 1: Doctor John to call. Welcome to the podcast, and it
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Speaker 1: is Tokel, not techal Paul.
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Speaker 2: You've got it right. Most people who first come across
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Speaker 2: me mispronounce my name, and if I'm called doctor Tickle,
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Speaker 2: it really doesn't work because I used to be a guynecologist.
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Speaker 1: Kel Rhymell, gotcha. So tell me this, when did you
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Speaker 1: first become a doctor?
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Speaker 2: I graduated as a medical practitioner from the Melbourne University
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Speaker 2: back in the nineteen sixties, and it took me two
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Speaker 2: years of residency at the Royal Melbourne and another suburban
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Speaker 2: hospital to graduate supposedly as a general practitioner. I think
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Speaker 2: they're called gps now yep. And after ten years handing
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Speaker 2: out value and antidepressants, I started to wonder why I
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Speaker 2: was becoming a social worker because medicine moved on and
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Speaker 2: if somebody came in with a saw toe and you'd
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Speaker 2: give them some opot or something or an aspirin, they'd say,
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Speaker 2: but you know you were specialist in saw toes, and
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Speaker 2: then so you'd send them to a sore toe specialist.
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Speaker 2: And then you start wondering why you didn't do the
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Speaker 2: extra five years of studying to become something specialist, you know,
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Speaker 2: a nose specialist or two you know what. And anyway,
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Speaker 2: then I saw something on screen about a guy at
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Speaker 2: the back of LA who was doing health seminars about
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Speaker 2: non drug therapy. So I took a couple of weeks
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Speaker 2: off and jumped on a thing called a remember pan
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Speaker 2: am oh ah, yeah, yeah. I think they were the
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Speaker 2: first US airline ever to come to Australia. And I
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Speaker 2: guess I'm not allowed to say. The shit was so
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Speaker 2: s h one t. When the plane took off, I thought,
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Speaker 2: were We're going to die? Because anyway, we got there
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Speaker 2: and I went out in the back two hours west
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Speaker 2: of LA and I sat there for two days listening
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Speaker 2: to this guy as he was in his late eighties,
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Speaker 2: and he started talking about plant medicines and I'm wondering,
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Speaker 2: you know, why the hell am I here, because we've
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Speaker 2: got all these drugs and prescriptions now and all those
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Speaker 2: sorts of things. And at the end of the two
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Speaker 2: days he had me I didn't cross the fence. I
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Speaker 2: sat on top of the fence and said maybe. And
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Speaker 2: then I started the computer stuff at night and I googled.
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Speaker 2: He used the word integrated medicine. Oh yes, And then
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Speaker 2: I stumbled across what are now probably called the blue zones.
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Speaker 2: Paul heard of the wor zones.
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Speaker 1: I certainly have.
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Speaker 2: So I visited the big island the Okinawa off the
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Speaker 2: southern and Japan, and I visited the island Sardinia in
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Speaker 2: the Mediterranean, and then the Greek island of Vikaria. And
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Speaker 2: I started to eat a little bit differently, and I
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Speaker 2: was always exercising because I run around the block when
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Speaker 2: I stopped playing footage for the Mighty Hawks and all
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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But then one day I was diagnosed.
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Speaker 2: I had a seizure on an aeroplane between Sydney and Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: I spoke at a lot of conventions around the world,
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Speaker 2: and I was unconscious and I woke up in an
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Speaker 2: ambulance being whizzed with the sirens and lights and whistles
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Speaker 2: and things to a big hospital. And the ambulance paramedic
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Speaker 2: was saying, have you got epilepsy? And I said no.
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Speaker 2: He said, well, you just had a seizure on an aeroplane.
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Speaker 2: I don't like the sound of this. So I got
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Speaker 2: into the emergency and they took scans and everything. Resident
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Speaker 2: doctor came in and said, Doc, he said, I think
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Speaker 2: you're in a strike there are shadows on your brain.
4:05
Speaker 2: He said, you might have brain cancer and I said,
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Speaker 2: what do you mean I might? So he got the
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Speaker 2: oncologist on call and he came in and admitted me
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Speaker 2: straight away, and then he said, i'll talk to you
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Speaker 2: in the morning after we find out what sort of
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Speaker 2: brain cancer it is. And I said, what do you mean.
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Speaker 2: He said, we do a bioposy. We drill a hole
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Speaker 2: in yad and a bit like Donald Trump in the
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Speaker 2: last couple of days, the drill the whole in his head.
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Speaker 2: He said, anyway, I wake up out of the other
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Speaker 2: said it you know, I see the spectacles of the
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Speaker 2: surgeon there. And then I said what did you find?
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Speaker 2: And he said, we didn't find a brain cancer. We
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Speaker 2: found five jumping Jesus. So that afternoon the oncologist he
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Speaker 2: was a male Asian guy and he had been studying
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Speaker 2: in New York. And he said, Doc, he said, you've
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Speaker 2: got the sort of cancer that gives you your prognosis
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Speaker 2: to be maybe fifteen to eight months if you lack
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Speaker 2: you And I said, well, I want to know what's
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Speaker 2: moved in science, Like there's a thing called immunotherapy. He said,
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I've been working in New York
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Speaker 2: and we've come across a new immunotherapy drug. Immunotherapy was
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Speaker 2: fairly well. It was a new found technology. What year
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Speaker 2: was this, John say, it was February the eleventh, twenty ten,
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Speaker 2: so that's fifth fortune years ago, fifteen years ago. And
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Speaker 2: he said, would you sign this and allow me to
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Speaker 2: get you on this trial of the new drug. I said,
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Speaker 2: let's change positions. Would you sign the consent for well?
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Speaker 2: He said, you know I'm an expert and that's your
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Speaker 2: only hope. And he said, by the way, it's seventy
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a days and you'll need several verses a month.
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Speaker 2: But if I get you on the trial at three,
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Speaker 2: So I scribbled my name there pretty quick quickly, and
6:03
Speaker 2: then I started. It was really interesting. The wife brought
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Speaker 2: me two books in to read and I said, I
6:11
Speaker 2: want books, she said, read This. One was called It's
6:13
Speaker 2: Not About the Bike, which was written Gone Einstein. Yeah, yep,
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Speaker 2: And at that stage he hadn't come out and he's
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Speaker 2: now survived eighteen years since his brain cancer. He was
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Speaker 2: probably on different drugs of what I was on. And
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Speaker 2: the other book was the Okinawan Centenarian Study. Oh yes, Now,
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Speaker 2: this is the longest peer of viewed study ever done
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Speaker 2: on hundreds and hundreds over twenty five years, hundreds of
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Speaker 2: eighty ninety one hundred year old. It's called the Okinawan
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Speaker 2: Way in Australia and the Okinahoan something in America. And
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Speaker 2: it was done by a model of Japanese doctors American doctors,
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Speaker 2: peer reviewed by the Mayo Clinic, et cetera. And it
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Speaker 2: showed me that the basic human being we have an
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Speaker 2: immune system. Paul the obviously you know all about that.
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Speaker 2: And you have an immune system when you slide down
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Speaker 2: the birth canal. That's innate, that's with you when you're born.
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Speaker 2: But you can change your immune system. I'm convinced for
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Speaker 2: that because it's really interesting. As we age, we get
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Speaker 2: a weaker and weaker immune system. Yes, we sit in
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Speaker 2: our ars and don't walk around the block, and we
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Speaker 2: eat crap food. I mean, I think you use the
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Speaker 2: word crap in your last system. Well, crap is an
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Speaker 2: accrodent for commercially refined and processed crap. You could add
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Speaker 2: that one. So I stopped eating crap food and got
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Speaker 2: back to my on the routine of the vegetables and
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Speaker 2: whole grades and it's fascinating when you go to a
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Speaker 2: supermarket now in Australia. I mean the labels there, they're
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Speaker 2: non understandable. Yes, if I put a label in front
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Speaker 2: of one hundred shoppers, one out of one hundred might
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Speaker 2: work out what it actually means. Now, in terms of diabetes,
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Speaker 2: this sense. The year two thousand, Australia's population has increased
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Speaker 2: fifty percent. Our diabetes has increased three hundred percent. It's tripled.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty right.
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Speaker 2: So we've got a new diabetic now every five minutes,
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Speaker 2: three hundred a day, one hundred and twenty thousand new
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Speaker 2: ones a year, and it's galloping like nothing is helping
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Speaker 2: because of our oval, you know. I mean people say
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Speaker 2: you can't call kids fat, but we've got the most overweight,
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Speaker 2: fifth most overweight kids in the OECD countries on this planet, right,
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Speaker 2: and then you start to say, were why because they're
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Speaker 2: an active Paul, When you're a little kid, did you
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Speaker 2: have to be home by dark and you played mud
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Speaker 2: prize in the gut? We've got new system and all
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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was kicked out of the house until to
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Speaker 1: come back when it was dark. And it doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: what you did.
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Speaker 2: Why now? But now the kids are on their fans
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Speaker 2: playing computer guides and stuff.
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Speaker 1: So, John, there's a maid of mine, professor Grant Schofield,
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Speaker 1: who's been on this. He's a public health professor, and
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Speaker 1: he did a study showing that when when we work.
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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, which is after you were
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Speaker 1: a kid, obviously, but we used to roam on average
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Speaker 1: five to eight kilometers from from our house. You know,
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Speaker 1: you get on your bike, you go and visit your maids,
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Speaker 1: so you just ride on your bikes all around the place.
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Speaker 1: Now the average kid roams on average between six and
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Speaker 1: eight hundred meters, and that's because they're spending the vast
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Speaker 1: majority of their time indoors, sitting on a screen and
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Speaker 1: as you said, generally eating crap food. And it's not
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Speaker 1: working out well, is it.
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Speaker 2: It's not. And I don't know whether this is going
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Speaker 2: to surprise you, Paul. That might surprise some viewers. If
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Speaker 2: you compare the deaths last week in Australia, the road
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Speaker 2: toll was an average twenty six people die a week
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Speaker 2: on our roads. Murders there were five average last week.
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Speaker 2: Breast cancer, even though if you getting in stage one
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Speaker 2: it's ninety two five years survival still nine women to
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Speaker 2: day died of breast cancer. That's sixty three. So road
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Speaker 2: tolls twenty six last week murders five breast cancer, sixty
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Speaker 2: three cross date cancers seventy. That's how bad men are
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Speaker 2: going for checkups because more men get answer the women
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Speaker 2: get breast cancer. And so twenty six five sixty seventy
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Speaker 2: diabetes and it's complication. Last week four one hundred and
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Speaker 2: forty deaths.
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Speaker 1: Jesus right and John the I think the thing a
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Speaker 1: lot of our lists won't recognize about diabetes is that
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Speaker 1: it is one of the precursors to Alzheimer's disease and
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Speaker 1: other forms of dementia. And ten years ago Alzheimer's disease
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Speaker 1: wasn't even the top ten of biggest killers. Now it's
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Speaker 1: the biggest killer of all females in Australia, Alzheimer's disease,
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Speaker 1: dementia and its complications, and it's increasing at a rapid
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Speaker 1: rate of knots. But a lot of researchers are calling
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Speaker 1: it type three diabetes or diabetes of the brillant.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Bill. What was your name again? Now?
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Speaker 1: John? I just had a flashback as you were talking
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Speaker 1: about the brain cancer. I'm pretty sure that we both presented,
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Speaker 1: or maybe I was just watching, but at the it
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Speaker 1: was at a conference, whether it was the ac THEM
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Speaker 1: conference or another one, and you were there and you
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Speaker 1: were talking about your your Brian cancer and you talked
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Speaker 1: about diet. Did you talk about lull Hi ten or
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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago? Because I borrowed it from somebody and
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Speaker 1: I cannot remember who it was, but I just had
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Speaker 1: a flashback. I think it might have been you.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's change, I borrowed it. You stole it from
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Speaker 2: the his Human interference for all Number one in nutrition
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Speaker 2: is you've got six to eight seconds to look at
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Speaker 2: a food or drink and ask yourself how much is
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Speaker 2: a human being interfered with this? Did they pick it
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Speaker 2: off a tree or dig it up, you know, like
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Speaker 2: a spun out of the ground or see I mean
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Speaker 2: when you dig your sput up the Irish I believed
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Speaker 2: on spuds for hundreds of years.
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Speaker 1: Man, I know that, But do you know if you
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Speaker 1: slice a spud.
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Speaker 2: Let's let's take something I don't know maccus ever heard
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Speaker 2: of macus. They cut spuds into forty slices, increase the
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Speaker 2: surface area thirty times in dumpling fat increase the fat
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Speaker 2: content twenty seven times, and that cavert was solved. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's what we do. We've i neually said the word
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Speaker 2: if you you.
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Speaker 1: Can say whatever you want on this podcast. There's no
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Speaker 1: problem here.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So fast food is if you seek food because
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Speaker 2: it's full of fat and sugar. And you look at
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Speaker 2: the cereals, you know that's gone live fat, but it's
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Speaker 2: full of sugar. It's one hundred and twenty seven but
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Speaker 2: said sugar.
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Speaker 1: And you know, another problem with what McDonald's did is
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Speaker 1: that they changed their cooking oil. And this was a
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Speaker 1: I can't remember it was ten fifteen years ago, from
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Speaker 1: from lard to vegetable oil, and that has coincided that
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Speaker 1: mass change has actually coincided with a huge increase in
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Speaker 1: health problems. So as you will know and some of
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Speaker 1: our viewers know, but if you are cooking stuff at
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Speaker 1: high temperature, you want a stealable fat at high temperature,
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Speaker 1: which is a saturated fat like large or dripping that
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Speaker 1: our grandparents used to use. But when you use vegetable
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Speaker 1: oils and heat them, they give off toxic aldehydes and
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Speaker 1: all sorts of other horrible, horrible things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, discussion point. That's interesting because with my traveling one
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Speaker 2: hundred plus countries two or two about sue. My wife
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Speaker 2: has five children and I think they're online, and the
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Speaker 2: three kids who are medical doctors. Our total country is
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Speaker 2: visiting the world is past one hundred and ten now,
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Speaker 2: and it would appear to me that pure virgin olive
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Speaker 2: oil is as long as you don't use it twice
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Speaker 2: or Peter is past smoking point. Yes, I think pure
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Speaker 2: virgin olive oil is. I mean I have a tablespoon
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Speaker 2: of olive oil two or three times today when I
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Speaker 2: passed the bottle. So, but you're right. All the fast
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Speaker 2: food stuff, I mean you know how often do they change?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, exactly. And this is the thing, and that's
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Speaker 1: I always say this to people. If you want to
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Speaker 1: be frying foods that's not at super high temperatures, extra virgin.
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Speaker 1: It has to be extra virgin, right, It has to
15:21
Speaker 1: be extra virgin? Is the is the way to go
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Speaker 1: very high in polyphenol content smoke points about two hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty. But if you need to, like if you're
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Speaker 1: cooking a steak or something super super high, then you
15:33
Speaker 1: can't use it that's that's where you have to use
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Speaker 1: a saturated fact that's saturated with carbon bonds. That means
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Speaker 1: it's steable under heat.
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Speaker 2: Can you remember Popeye?
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Speaker 1: Ah? H I do, indeed, yes.
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Speaker 2: What was his favorite food spinach? Spinach? And what was
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Speaker 2: his girl's girlfriend's name?
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Speaker 1: Oh? God, nay?
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Speaker 2: Your test oil?
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Speaker 1: Olive oil, olive oid. You're right, and that ah, you
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Speaker 1: to get into the combination. Are you that when you
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Speaker 1: mix olive ooid with vegetables or solid you get nitric
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Speaker 1: oxide is produced, which is awesome for your heart, your
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Speaker 1: blood vessels.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, the other interesting thing that's happened in the
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Speaker 2: last decade or so is the connection between let's call
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Speaker 2: it gut brain help. Are you with that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all over like a spider monkey.
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Speaker 2: So we have trillions of microbiome in our gut, and
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Speaker 2: it's fascinating to me that I've been working with senior microbiologists,
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Speaker 2: especially the ones at Macquarie University, and we've been testing
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Speaker 2: various non drug foods, mixing them together and all this
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff, and then looking at the the not
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Speaker 2: the interference, but the change in microbiome diversity in the gut.
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Speaker 2: And so there's now a product. It's interesting with the
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Speaker 2: treatment of diabetes. Do you know when insulin was invented?
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Speaker 2: No idea one hundred and one years ago? Right, did
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Speaker 2: you know when Mett Foreman and associated drugs were found?
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Speaker 1: I would imagine in the last twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: Sixty years ago. Wow, And now have you heard of
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Speaker 2: these whatever one? Yeah, LP one and.
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Speaker 1: All those empic and yep, yep, yep, I know those.
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Speaker 2: The scary thing about those is that they have they
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Speaker 2: can have major side effects, and they have bloody expensive
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Speaker 2: And now everyone who's two pounds overweight the US get
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Speaker 2: some of this and so none left for diabetes. But
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Speaker 2: it's interesting now that we've been testing this, it's now
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Speaker 2: got a non drug name name. It's called utri cane.
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Speaker 2: It's from when sugar cane is processed to get rid
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Speaker 2: of the sugar that we sell on the super market shells.
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Speaker 2: The residue of sugar cane is a multi fibrous, multinutrients
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Speaker 2: substance which.
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Speaker 1: Is at high and resistant starch by any chance.
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Speaker 2: Correct, absolutely correct. And it's really interesting because it cuts
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Speaker 2: down I've heard of the glycemic indexes. It reduces glycemic
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Speaker 2: index because it makes the food stay around longer in
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Speaker 2: the intestine, so the different fatty acids, it goes further
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Speaker 2: through your intestines before it's absorbed. But the best thing
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Speaker 2: in terms of microbiology is that it increases the diversity
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Speaker 2: of microbiome and it also increases the number of bacteria
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Speaker 2: that have anti inflammatory because part of the outstanding scientific
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Speaker 2: advances is that most, if not all, chronic disease. Did
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Speaker 2: I tell you what I call chronic diseases, Chad? No?
19:11
Speaker 2: Were you around in Australia with a thing called Life
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Speaker 2: Be in It?
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Speaker 1: No, but I have heard of it. I moved to
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Speaker 1: Australia in twenty twenty four, but I've heard of Life
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Speaker 1: Being It and that whole campaign that was really successful
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Speaker 1: by the government.
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Speaker 2: Right you just said it's really successful awareness and had
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Speaker 2: an eighty five percent awareness, But it's KPIs. It did
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Speaker 2: virtually nothing because the hero norm the slot on the
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Speaker 2: couch with a cigarette and a pack of the chips
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Speaker 2: and a remote. You know, one of the worst things
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Speaker 2: ever invented was a remote control for TV. We used
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Speaker 2: to get up and change the channel.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what? John? On the front of my book,
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Speaker 1: which is called Death by Comfort, where modern life is
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Speaker 1: killing us there. I have a skeleton sitting in a
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Speaker 1: chur with a remote control in front of the TV,
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Speaker 1: and he's got fast food wrappers all around it.
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Speaker 2: Well, norm he actually died of diabetes. He had a
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Speaker 2: heart attack. For sixty five percent of diabetics have heart
20:15
Speaker 2: disease disease. But he did have a son and being. Now,
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Speaker 2: the other great thing in terms of teaching little kids
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Speaker 2: is role Modely, do you have children at all?
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Speaker 1: I certainly do.
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Speaker 2: And how old will they be?
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Speaker 1: Now I've an eighteen year old, I have an adult,
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Speaker 1: I have an eighteen year old girl she just turned eighteen,
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Speaker 1: and I've got a fourteen year old boy.
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Speaker 2: Are their hormones racing it?
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Speaker 1: They certainly are. I think the eighteen year old is
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Speaker 1: through the other side and the fourteen year old lion
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Speaker 1: cub is just coming into food force.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well on the counting thing with Sue and aasas mentioned,
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Speaker 2: we have five children and so far we've got eleven grandchildren.
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Speaker 2: Nice and it's really interesting that when one of the children,
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Speaker 2: little kids, you know, six year old four year old say, oh, part,
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Speaker 2: I don't like Brussels sprouts, I say, I hang on
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Speaker 2: your body loves Brussels sprouts. It's very healthy. But those
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Speaker 2: little things, see that thing, they're called your tongue. There's
21:18
Speaker 2: a little dots on your tongue called taste buds. Now
21:22
Speaker 2: your taste buds, because I've never had Brussels sprouts before.
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Speaker 2: They are ah. But you've got a brain box up
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Speaker 2: here when you were created by whoever you were created with,
21:32
Speaker 2: your brain box, your think box on top of your tongue.
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Speaker 2: But your tongue's out of control telling them you don't
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Speaker 2: like Brussels sprouts, But your brain boxer say, yeah, you bee.
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Speaker 2: The more of those plant foods with all the vitamins
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Speaker 2: and middles, the better for you. So you don't have
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Speaker 2: to eat your brussels breat just have a little bit
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Speaker 2: and a little bit of all the different colors, you know,
21:51
Speaker 2: the little bit of pumpkin, a little bit of carrots,
21:53
Speaker 2: a little bit dis finished, a little bit of that.
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Speaker 2: And those partners said, part of some grapes there, that's
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Speaker 2: a fruit, not a bit, it doesn't matter. It's by
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Speaker 2: it and it's purple, and it's different color, different vims,
22:04
Speaker 2: different minerals. So you know the next book that's coming
22:06
Speaker 2: out with a Murder of Children's Research Foundation is it's
22:10
Speaker 2: all about the heroes in life. They live in Britain
22:14
Speaker 2: vegetable village. So in terms of the gut and brain connection, Paul,
22:19
Speaker 2: we're both on the same page there. So I'll tell
22:23
Speaker 2: you what people say, but aren't you retired? I say, well,
22:27
Speaker 2: in Okawa their dialect, there's no word called retire. But
22:31
Speaker 2: one of them who spoke English said, Doc said, you're tired,
22:36
Speaker 2: why you want to get retired.
22:39
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I know a big thing about the
22:43
Speaker 1: Okinawins particularly, but all Japanese culture is this whole idea
22:47
Speaker 1: of eki guy, of doing something that you love and
22:52
Speaker 1: stuff that you're passionate about. And an eki gay can
22:54
Speaker 1: be little things, big things, but you clearly have eki
22:58
Speaker 1: guy around the health the well being because you're little
23:02
Speaker 1: past normal retirement Didge, but still out there talking about
23:07
Speaker 1: their stuff so passionately.
23:09
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you see you just said retirement age. The
23:13
Speaker 2: Australian government invented a thing called a pension in nineteen
23:17
Speaker 2: thirty five. Now in those days, life expectancy was sixty two.
23:21
Speaker 1: Yes, that's me is right. In the sixties, right.
23:27
Speaker 2: Australian government still have a thing called a pension. And
23:30
Speaker 2: the retirement age is sixty five. It's the same, but
23:32
Speaker 2: our life expectancy now is in the eighties. So the
23:35
Speaker 2: Commonwealth government is broke, yes, because money to people who
23:39
Speaker 2: have retired, and that means your brain retires too and
23:43
Speaker 2: dies away because you're all your little neurons, those brain
23:46
Speaker 2: cells in there unless you give them something to do.
23:49
Speaker 2: And that's where dementia is coming from. You see. So
23:52
Speaker 2: my three rules for Icky Gaya the Japanese word, are
23:56
Speaker 2: three Optimism. Always look on the brides of life support systems.
24:04
Speaker 2: You must have someone, a partner, ah, a pet, anything,
24:12
Speaker 2: a tree, and you can go hug hug someone you
24:15
Speaker 2: love every day. And the last thing, Paul, I've never
24:20
Speaker 2: told you this, but I've been invented a new pill
24:23
Speaker 2: him a purpose in life.
24:27
Speaker 1: Oh I like it? Yes, yes, yes, you good with
24:30
Speaker 1: your acronyms, aren't you, Jesus?
24:34
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think the the ace skills I learned
24:40
Speaker 2: from the ocoans that the ace skills in life are
24:43
Speaker 2: the three basic human self management. You're looking after you
24:48
Speaker 2: as activity c. C is coping, yeah, and he is eating. Now.
24:55
Speaker 2: When you're playing the game of cards, the aces are
24:57
Speaker 2: the most important cards in your pack. When you in
25:00
Speaker 2: the game of life, the aces are so important every
25:03
Speaker 2: day activity, you know, walk around the block for thirty minutes,
25:07
Speaker 2: So what haven't got time? I said, right now, how
25:11
Speaker 2: long are you? So I'm going to ask you, Paul,
25:13
Speaker 2: how long do you sleep? Six? Seven, eight?
25:15
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, six ss? I would sleep seven hours, leaves
25:19
Speaker 1: twenty leaves. What that leaves at seventeen?
25:24
Speaker 2: Okay, So now how many half hours are there in
25:26
Speaker 2: seventeen hours?
25:27
Speaker 1: Thirty four approximately?
25:29
Speaker 2: I'll do the math for you. So you know, in
25:31
Speaker 2: a week, you're awake for two hundred and thirty eight
25:33
Speaker 2: half hours. And I say to people, what you can't
25:36
Speaker 2: find six of two hundred and thirty eight half hours
25:39
Speaker 2: to take yourself for wark? I mean you are bullshitting yourself.
25:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And just on that point, John as
25:49
Speaker 1: really a research peopart this morning. I don't know if
25:52
Speaker 1: you ever came across it, but the Dallas Bad Dress Study.
25:57
Speaker 1: So what they did is they took five young healthy
26:01
Speaker 1: meals in their twenties. This is in the nineteen sixties
26:04
Speaker 1: when they were able to do pretty cool stuff right
26:07
Speaker 1: with ethical approval, and they put these guys in complete immobilization,
26:13
Speaker 1: complete bed rest for three weeks and they did exercise
26:18
Speaker 1: testing on them and then imaged their hearts. They're all
26:21
Speaker 1: sorts of testing on their hearts, right, and they find
26:24
Speaker 1: that in three weeks they had I think it was
26:28
Speaker 1: a twenty seven percent reduction in their VO two max
26:33
Speaker 1: their fitness levels, and like a twenty six percent increase
26:37
Speaker 1: in stiffness of the left ventricle. And then they trained
26:41
Speaker 1: them for eight weeks and they not only got all
26:44
Speaker 1: their function back but improved. But here's the really interesting thing.
26:49
Speaker 1: Somebody followed them up thirty years later, so they're now
26:52
Speaker 1: in their fifties, and they blot them in and they
26:55
Speaker 1: imaged their hearts and did the testing on them, and
26:58
Speaker 1: it turns out that few weeks of bad rest created
27:02
Speaker 1: more damage for fitness and heart function than thirty years
27:07
Speaker 1: of aging.
27:09
Speaker 2: Well that was done I believe by doctor Kenneth Couper
27:12
Speaker 2: of the Dallas Aerobics Institute. Ah.
27:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the Cooper Institute are different, right.
27:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I I met and met doctor Kenneth Cooper
27:22
Speaker 2: way back when he wrote his book The Aerobics Institute,
27:25
Speaker 2: And that study has been replicated now and that's a fact,
27:29
Speaker 2: and that's why if you have one hundred and thirty
27:32
Speaker 2: thousand Australians have a hipp or knee done every year.
27:35
Speaker 2: And now in the old days they used to keep
27:38
Speaker 2: them in bed for two weeks, but now they get
27:40
Speaker 2: people up the next day. That's right, the move, So
27:44
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. See what I tell people is at
27:48
Speaker 2: the age of twenty five, the majority of Australians and
27:51
Speaker 2: Americans and people in the UK lose approximately one percent
27:54
Speaker 2: of their muscle bulk, efficiency and strength every year. Not
27:59
Speaker 2: much so when you're fifty five you've lost thirty percent
28:04
Speaker 2: of your muscle bulk, strength and efficiency. When you're five,
28:09
Speaker 2: and if you live tid you're one hundred and twenty five,
28:12
Speaker 2: you've got zero.
28:13
Speaker 1: You're in reverse. But the interesting I mean, we're so
28:17
Speaker 1: aligned on this. I think what a lot of people
28:20
Speaker 1: don't realize is that contracting muscle produces these molecules called
28:27
Speaker 1: myokins that we actually nine know. I mean, when I
28:32
Speaker 1: did my exercise physiology masters nearly thirty years ago, we
28:36
Speaker 1: were told that myokinds. What they do is they convert
28:40
Speaker 1: glucose and fat to energy and then they help your
28:42
Speaker 1: muscle get bigger, faster, stronger. But we now know, those
28:46
Speaker 1: mayakinds get into circulation and they have a positive impact
28:49
Speaker 1: on every single organ and every organ system in your body.
28:52
Speaker 1: They are critical signaling molecules to just tell your body
28:57
Speaker 1: to be healthier. Right.
29:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing that doctor Cooper explained to me
29:03
Speaker 2: with his heart scans and all that sort of stuff
29:06
Speaker 2: and angiograms, your three major arteries, your coronary arteres in
29:13
Speaker 2: your heart, the three major ones that keep you alive
29:15
Speaker 2: are one fifth the width of your little finger.
29:18
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow.
29:20
Speaker 2: There's not much room in there now. If you have
29:24
Speaker 2: vascular insufficiency and you start to line your arteries with
29:29
Speaker 2: calcium and muckam or fat all that sort of stuff,
29:33
Speaker 2: you can swush that away in the first few months
29:37
Speaker 2: by moving blood through your heart, which is called exercise.
29:40
Speaker 2: So your coronary artery disease can be stopped progressing by
29:46
Speaker 2: you going for a walk every day and doing some
29:49
Speaker 2: flexibility stuff and all that sort of stuff. People say, well,
29:53
Speaker 2: you know, are there any exercises that move every muscle
29:57
Speaker 2: in your body at the same time, I said, swimming,
30:01
Speaker 2: push ups of your ties, and sex if you're on top,
30:09
Speaker 2: not just line it.
30:14
Speaker 1: Excellent. So John, let's let's let's go back to the
30:20
Speaker 1: whole diet thing. So and and and you know somebody
30:24
Speaker 1: came along many many years after you and talked about
30:27
Speaker 1: the blue zones, Dan something or other. I can't remember
30:30
Speaker 1: what his name was. And but hey, for for me
30:36
Speaker 1: put too much emphasis on on on on diet. I mean,
30:42
Speaker 1: we know the diet is really important in those blue zones.
30:45
Speaker 1: But you've been in the blue zones. It's not just
30:48
Speaker 1: the diet. They are very community driven and they they
30:52
Speaker 1: they all are are physically active, right and so, and
30:56
Speaker 1: they have socialization, they they they have their their their
31:00
Speaker 1: together and they have real community interactions and so it's
31:06
Speaker 1: really just the combination of those things the way that
31:10
Speaker 1: humans used to live right.
31:12
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the a skills, I mean, you see, because they
31:14
Speaker 2: don't retire at sixty five. They actually grow their own field,
31:19
Speaker 2: own food in the so they're working, they're still maintaining
31:25
Speaker 2: physical activity, moving their six hundred muscles every minute of
31:28
Speaker 2: the day. And if you head on that socialization, they
31:32
Speaker 2: call it the community effect. They call that spirituality. And
31:36
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about religion here, I'm talking about togetherness.
31:41
Speaker 2: And they replace the word selfish with self less. So
31:46
Speaker 2: anything they can do to help one another. You know
31:49
Speaker 2: that's a tick the box.
31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I ask you? Am I older?
31:54
Speaker 2: You know if the Queen was still alive, I would
31:57
Speaker 2: be getting a telegram from her in twenty years right.
32:02
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're in pretty amazing ship for somebody who
32:08
Speaker 1: is an octogenarian and you have beaten brain cancer. So
32:14
Speaker 1: what are the sort of things that you do currently?
32:18
Speaker 1: A right? Because I think that's the best thing, right
32:20
Speaker 1: is find people who you want to replicate and want
32:24
Speaker 1: to be like and ask them what the hell do
32:26
Speaker 1: they do? So what is the sort of stuff that
32:28
Speaker 1: you do?
32:30
Speaker 2: Okay? If you look at the ice skills activity, I
32:33
Speaker 2: make sure that I am mobile for at least thirty
32:36
Speaker 2: minutes every day, so whether it's walking, swimming, I go
32:41
Speaker 2: to a little place called Kaiser which is working on
32:47
Speaker 2: a core, the core core issues in the body, see
32:51
Speaker 2: the peripheral muscles. As your core gets weaker as you are,
32:54
Speaker 2: is then ther peripheral muscles to be used more and
32:57
Speaker 2: then you start getting I mean I have said a
33:00
Speaker 2: over the age of sixty in Australia got back pain
33:03
Speaker 2: on off and so yeah, I'm active. I love.
33:07
Speaker 1: So you're doing strength, You're doing some strength training at
33:09
Speaker 1: Kaiser and you're doing your cardiovascular stuff.
33:13
Speaker 2: Yep, it's interesting. The O and Owens have never heard
33:15
Speaker 2: of cardiovascular They've never heard of calories, they've never heard
33:18
Speaker 2: of killer jewels.
33:19
Speaker 1: No, they just be active, right, Yeah, they just.
33:22
Speaker 2: They walk to the fields and they walk home again,
33:24
Speaker 2: and they hug your love, they hag it. So I
33:27
Speaker 2: make sure I hug a loved one every day, one
33:29
Speaker 2: of my grandchildren, or I still have the same wife.
33:32
Speaker 2: I haven't traded my wife in the younger mobile yet.
33:36
Speaker 2: I think she was sick to training me and so
33:40
Speaker 2: activity coping. I'm I was fortunate to meet the guy
33:47
Speaker 2: who invented or studied the biochemistry of stress, Hands Cellier,
33:53
Speaker 2: and did.
33:54
Speaker 1: You meet He's known as the godfather of stress.
34:00
Speaker 2: That is awesome confidence in Canada. We spoke of the
34:04
Speaker 2: same confidence and the thing that I took out of
34:07
Speaker 2: his performance his talk was, let me tell you something.
34:12
Speaker 2: When people say I've been under a lot of stress lately,
34:16
Speaker 2: just look at them and say no, no, no, no, no.
34:21
Speaker 2: Stress is a response you've been under pressure lately. Well,
34:28
Speaker 2: if I put you on the MCG in the last
34:30
Speaker 2: Saturday coming September, in the Grand Final, I'd be putting
34:35
Speaker 2: you under pressure. If I put Dustin Martin or another
34:38
Speaker 2: accompanised player on the same grain grew, it's the same pressure. However,
34:44
Speaker 2: that other person has got a team around him. He's
34:47
Speaker 2: got a trainer, he's got a plan, he's got a
34:52
Speaker 2: go to if things are going wrong. You've done none
34:55
Speaker 2: of that specialized training, and you haven't got a plan,
34:58
Speaker 2: and you haven't got a coach. We've got a team
35:00
Speaker 2: around you. You may that's the poor support system. So
35:04
Speaker 2: your initial stress response would be negative. He'd be positive
35:10
Speaker 2: he'd played the game and maybe win the normous fifth middle.
35:14
Speaker 2: You'd go off after five minutes because you were depressed
35:16
Speaker 2: or had a ring or something. It's really interesting when
35:21
Speaker 2: I got brain cancer and Sue brought me into two
35:24
Speaker 2: books and I said, I don't feel like reading anything.
35:27
Speaker 2: She said, well, what are you going to do? You're
35:28
Speaker 2: going to want to television. So I read the books
35:32
Speaker 2: and then I re read. Even though Lance Armstrong was
35:35
Speaker 2: a cheat, he did do something. He survived brain cancer
35:39
Speaker 2: because he changed his life. And when he was in
35:43
Speaker 2: hospital being treated for brain cancer, they wouldn't let him
35:45
Speaker 2: go home because of all the truth that he was
35:47
Speaker 2: other he used to ring his mate, and the only
35:50
Speaker 2: way he could escape from the hospital was when the
35:52
Speaker 2: cleaners came in the basement at ten o'clock at night.
35:55
Speaker 2: So his mate used to bring two bikes and Lance
35:57
Speaker 2: would get on his bike at ten pm at night
36:00
Speaker 2: for a ten mile ride with his mate to keep
36:03
Speaker 2: He said, I had to keep the blood moving and
36:05
Speaker 2: they and all that sort of stuff. So it was
36:10
Speaker 2: really interesting because the nurses when they put the IV
36:13
Speaker 2: in and start all the chemicals going in, and I'd
36:16
Speaker 2: be smiling at the nurse. They thank you very much.
36:18
Speaker 2: They said, what are you smiling about. I said, because
36:21
Speaker 2: of the great job you're doing. Thank you for helping me.
36:24
Speaker 2: And those chemicals I call them the good guys. They're
36:26
Speaker 2: killing all the dasties. Yeah, but most other patients are
36:30
Speaker 2: depressed and crying and all this sort of stuff. They're saying,
36:33
Speaker 2: it's an attitude. I mean, life is an attitude shift.
36:37
Speaker 2: It's not like I missed the last the last bus
36:40
Speaker 2: I think it was it was. Richard Branson once said
36:43
Speaker 2: that you know the opportunities in life, it's like being
36:48
Speaker 2: at the bus stop. You've either missed the bus or
36:52
Speaker 2: there's another one coming in a few minutes. He said,
36:54
Speaker 2: there's lots of opportunities if you're there at the right time.
36:59
Speaker 2: And the other thing Brandson said to me with the
37:01
Speaker 2: one on one was he said, doc, he said, the
37:04
Speaker 2: past has gone, but you learn from it. Never make
37:08
Speaker 2: the same mistake. Twice he said, the future is for
37:12
Speaker 2: those who planned for it. And he said the present
37:16
Speaker 2: is a gift. That's why they call it the president.
37:18
Speaker 1: Oh nice, I like that. That's pretty cool.
37:22
Speaker 2: The other one on one I've had, which your people
37:25
Speaker 2: watching and you probably haven't ever done, because I've had one.
37:28
Speaker 2: I spoke at the same conference as a guy called
37:31
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Oh wow, before he was president, and he
37:35
Speaker 2: called me into which room after I came off the stage,
37:38
Speaker 2: and he said, you want to talk for three or
37:41
Speaker 2: four minutes? I said, I said, sir, He said, call
37:44
Speaker 2: me Donald and I said, And it was really interesting.
37:46
Speaker 2: I said, before we chat, I've got a gift for you.
37:50
Speaker 2: He said, a gift for me because I knew he
37:53
Speaker 2: was a golfreak. And now, I don't know whether you
37:55
Speaker 2: are the great golfs in the world, but Tiger Woods
37:58
Speaker 2: has always been chasing the Jack Nicholas.
38:02
Speaker 1: Now.
38:02
Speaker 2: I met Jack Nicholas at a tournament there, and I said,
38:05
Speaker 2: down with him after a cup of coffee, because I
38:08
Speaker 2: used him to design the golf course for me. After
38:11
Speaker 2: a while, I got to know the guy and and
38:15
Speaker 2: he said, he said, I used to win because the
38:21
Speaker 2: sharpest club in my bag was between my ears. And
38:28
Speaker 2: he said, I knew when I was under pressure during
38:31
Speaker 2: the last round, I knew I could beat these guys
38:34
Speaker 2: because they're all skinned.
38:36
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, mindset.
38:39
Speaker 2: I wrote a book with Jack called Golf for Life,
38:42
Speaker 2: and that was published in the US in New York.
38:46
Speaker 2: And anyway, I gave the copy to Donald Trump and
38:47
Speaker 2: he looked at looked at the book and then looked
38:49
Speaker 2: at me, and he said. He didn't say thank you.
38:51
Speaker 2: He said, next time you see Jack, say hello for me.
38:55
Speaker 1: There you go. Interesting.
38:58
Speaker 2: I can't remember a question, but that's oh no.
39:00
Speaker 1: No, that's all right. So here I've got a question
39:03
Speaker 1: for you. Right. So let's imagine that you are not
39:09
Speaker 1: in charge of the country, right, and you're a benevolent
39:13
Speaker 1: dictator yep, right, So you can make whatever rules you want,
39:20
Speaker 1: but they have to be benevolent to improve the health
39:23
Speaker 1: and well being of the population. Okay, the rules would
39:28
Speaker 1: you make.
39:29
Speaker 2: Just before I answer the question, do you know what
39:31
Speaker 2: is still the biggest cancer killer in Australia. Which cancer
39:35
Speaker 2: kills the most people in Australia.
39:37
Speaker 1: Which cancer kills the most people? Would it be bile cancer?
39:46
Speaker 2: No, it's lung cancer.
39:47
Speaker 1: Lung cancer. There you go, Okay, obviously.
39:49
Speaker 2: I mean in the science and reality. In nineteen fifty four,
39:55
Speaker 2: the Surgeon General came out in the US and said
39:59
Speaker 2: sm looking causes lun cat. It's not associated with it
40:04
Speaker 2: causes lun cat. So therefore, next week I would ban
40:08
Speaker 2: the sale of cigarettes, which kills seventy people a day
40:12
Speaker 2: in Australia. It kills twenty three thousand Australians who don't
40:17
Speaker 2: deserve him dead because they get addicted to nicotine. And
40:20
Speaker 2: there are seventy car center in a cigarette. So people
40:23
Speaker 2: say you can't do that, but we go underground. I say,
40:25
Speaker 2: we'll remember Dan, Daniel and Andrews. He find people two
40:30
Speaker 2: grand or six grand or something for walking more than
40:32
Speaker 2: five k's from the house and the other thing. Paul.
40:37
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy we got the Victorian government to change's
40:42
Speaker 2: first date in the world to introduce compulsory seat belts
40:45
Speaker 2: in the front seat of cars. The deaths more on
40:49
Speaker 2: ten thirty four. So one O three four, one thousand
40:51
Speaker 2: and thirty four got killed in nineteen sixty nine on
40:54
Speaker 2: the Victorian roads. Now it's two hundred and fifty with
40:58
Speaker 2: nine times as many cars. Wow, why does it work
41:03
Speaker 2: because the authorities? Fine, have you driven through a school
41:08
Speaker 2: zone at more than forty lately?
41:10
Speaker 1: I don't think I have now because what you.
41:13
Speaker 2: Don't because you fought four hundred. I mean, if you
41:16
Speaker 2: find every person five hundred dollars who had a cigarette
41:20
Speaker 2: on their person, somebody selling a packet of twenty, that's
41:23
Speaker 2: ten grand bank, it's gone. I mean, why dance around
41:27
Speaker 2: the edge of banning vaping? Why did you ban the
41:31
Speaker 2: biggest cancer killer in the world.
41:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what would you do about the food supply?
41:40
Speaker 2: Number one? I get rid of the ill, he said,
41:43
Speaker 2: check out check the checkout person at the supmer. There
41:47
Speaker 2: is a wall at the checkout person of crap. Get
41:53
Speaker 2: rid of it. I would hide all the confectionery and
41:57
Speaker 2: sugar enhanced foods in a back aisle and turn the
42:02
Speaker 2: lights off. Right. People say, well, you can't ban chocolate
42:05
Speaker 2: at East the time, I said, well, I know you can't,
42:09
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's what you get the Easter Bunny on
42:14
Speaker 2: TV saying hey kids, I just have one of these,
42:19
Speaker 2: not fifty three.
42:20
Speaker 1: Well to your point, John, they implemented a sugar tax
42:26
Speaker 1: in the in the UK on sugary drinks.
42:29
Speaker 2: Right, thirty five countries of the world with sugar.
42:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and reduce sugary drink consumption BYuT thirty
42:36
Speaker 1: five percent. Right, So these public health measures actually work.
42:41
Speaker 1: But yet in Australia we won't actually implement any sort
42:46
Speaker 1: of attacks on healthy foods and then health.
42:50
Speaker 2: See our Department of Health which is renamed now the
42:53
Speaker 2: Department of Sickness, I mean the Minister of Health. What
42:58
Speaker 2: do you know about health? These are politic So what
43:03
Speaker 2: you're saying if we don't institute and I'm going to
43:07
Speaker 2: a diabetes meeting in ten days time about the things
43:11
Speaker 2: we can do to stop the it's the biggest health
43:16
Speaker 2: epidemic now in history. It's diabetes, the biggest health epidemic
43:21
Speaker 2: in history. It's killing four hundred strains a week. And
43:28
Speaker 2: unless we cut down the sugar consumption with attax, we
43:34
Speaker 2: are domb so like to go back to cigarettes. For
43:40
Speaker 2: half a minute, the Australian government collects thirteen billion dollars
43:44
Speaker 2: in taxing people while they kill sixty seven people a day.
43:50
Speaker 2: They're taxing people killing themself. That tax, you know, a
43:54
Speaker 2: sugar tax. But what are they going to It's a
43:56
Speaker 2: bit like the petrol tax. Then you know, what do
43:59
Speaker 2: they do with the are they're supposed to do up
44:01
Speaker 2: the roads? We've got the worst roads in Australia.
44:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean this is the key thing is
44:05
Speaker 1: you've got to reinvest the money in health services. And
44:09
Speaker 1: to your point you mentioned it earlier on about sick care.
44:13
Speaker 1: I don't think we've got a healthcare system in this country.
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Speaker 1: We've got a sick care system. I think ninety eight
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Speaker 1: and a half percent of all spending is on tertiary treatment.
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Speaker 1: We wait until people are screwed and then we put
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Speaker 1: them on medication rather than doing something proactive around it.
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Speaker 2: So here's a real question for you, Paul, if you
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Speaker 2: had the name the number one fault bearer, is it
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Speaker 2: the individual? Is it the parents, the cares? Is it
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Speaker 2: the manufacturers of the product? Or is it the government?
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Speaker 1: Jumping Jesus, you know what I would go for. I
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Speaker 1: would actually go for the parent, That's what I look.
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Speaker 1: Everybody has got has got a role to play in this.
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Speaker 1: But just because of what I have seen, I would
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Speaker 1: say that that, oh Jesus, I mean, look, I mean
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Speaker 1: everybody's got a part to play in it. I'd have
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Speaker 1: to really think about that. That was my initial reaction,
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Speaker 1: because kids don't so much do what you tell them
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Speaker 1: to do, they do what you do, and so I
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Speaker 1: think that's pretty big. But you know, food manufacturers, there
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Speaker 1: they are, they're they're making stuff that they're that you know,
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Speaker 1: as long as they have corporate interests and for the shareholders,
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Speaker 1: you're never going to wipe that out, right, But government
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Speaker 1: in action is pretty significant. But then that's when you
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Speaker 1: get into the philosophical debate about free will and choice
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Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So it's a it's a
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Speaker 1: complex problem. But then there's the individual, Like if they're
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Speaker 1: not a kid, you know, from from that perspective, kids
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Speaker 1: don't know what they're putting into their mind and some
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Speaker 1: of the issues. So I think a lot of for
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Speaker 1: me an individual responsibility is big, but a lot of
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Speaker 1: people actually don't know about how bad this stuff actually
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Speaker 1: is for you, right, So I think there needs to
46:13
Speaker 1: be a massive education program and.
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Speaker 2: Individual podcast you and I do that do we get
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Speaker 2: a TV show called Prevention Comes before Cure or something? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. But the problem, I think it's a it's a
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Speaker 1: big problem, right, because so let's take nutrition and and
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Speaker 1: here's a big part of the issue that we know.
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Speaker 1: We talked about cigarettes. We know some of the world's
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Speaker 1: biggest food companies were bought by tobacco companies in the
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Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, right, you'll know that. And they they
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Speaker 1: did the exact same playbook. So they transferred a lot
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Speaker 1: of knowledge, and they transferred their their their their marketing,
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Speaker 1: and their IP and their executives into food and they
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Speaker 1: did the same playbook. They created an institute called the
47:06
Speaker 1: International Life Sciences Institute was funded by big food to
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Speaker 1: pay universities to do research that basically or other people
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Speaker 1: to do research that clouded people's opinion, right, that put
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Speaker 1: some doubt in their minds. And they lobby governments. Right,
47:27
Speaker 1: so we know that the big food got the Chinese
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Speaker 1: government to change their wording on obesity from its food
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Speaker 1: and diet to its sorry exercise and diet to its
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Speaker 1: just exercise. And then they throw millions of marketing dollars
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Speaker 1: at this thing. Right, So I think that's part of
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Speaker 1: the problem is the same, like big food is more
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Speaker 1: powerful than big pharma or big tobacco. And I think
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Speaker 1: that's a big, big issue today, and the governments won't
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Speaker 1: do anything about it. So then you're down to the individual.
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Speaker 1: And all of this stuff gets heavily marketed. And you
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Speaker 1: know as well as I do, that this stuff is
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Speaker 1: addictive whenever you eat it. That combination of sugar, fat, salt,
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Speaker 1: it's the blessed point in the brilliant So I think
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Speaker 1: it is. It's an inherently complex problem.
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Speaker 2: But before we finish, I you just bought up. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about fixing it. Is a word called incentive.
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Speaker 2: Now you're a member of the qualits frequent fliers I
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Speaker 2: am indeed, okay, and Velocity maybe, and.
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Speaker 1: What happened I spend that much time on a plane.
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Speaker 1: I'm a member of them.
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Speaker 2: Both, okay. So you're incentivized, but they give give it
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Speaker 2: things called points. Yes, and so you can buy a
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Speaker 2: toaster for you know, ten thousand points, so you get
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Speaker 2: it upgrade on a plane for fifteen thousand points from
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Speaker 2: here long or something. So what what I want to
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Speaker 2: discuss with you next time is incentivising kids and parents
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Speaker 2: to do some good things. Now, there's another little thing
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Speaker 2: that kids go to bed. Little kids go to bed,
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Speaker 2: say before a thirty you must we we must ban
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Speaker 2: fast food and you know, take away food before a
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Speaker 2: thirty at night on television. I mean when a child
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Speaker 2: leaves school they see somewhere between ten and thirty advertisements
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Speaker 2: on the back of buses and posters and all that
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And then they get home and turn
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Speaker 2: the TV on they see an average of twenty seven
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Speaker 2: fast food adds a day, several hundred a week. That
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Speaker 2: in there imprints. Yeah, so you know, have you ever
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Speaker 2: seen an advertisement I'll be the apple get up and
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Speaker 2: doing a dance, look at the fiber and me. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: that's part of the incentivizing thing. And then the last
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Speaker 2: thing I mentioned there are doctors around the world, minions
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Speaker 2: of doctors who are prescribing medicines, their drugs, their chemicals
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Speaker 2: made in laboratories. I've jumped the fence now and I
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Speaker 2: prescribe food food as medicine. And so the latest micro
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Speaker 2: biologic biological if that's a word magic is is the
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Speaker 2: fibrous micronutrients in this new food called nutri cane. And
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Speaker 2: I'll send you some stuff about it because an U
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Speaker 2: t r okay, And people say, well, you're not lay
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Speaker 2: advertised doctors are. I'm telling you that eat some food
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Speaker 2: every day. It's a drink instead. See when you drink
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Speaker 2: orange juice, how many oranges have you squeaked? And that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Six times the calorie. All my fibers in the.
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Speaker 1: Dusty, And there's the fruit toos and the impact on
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Speaker 1: the fruit toos on the liver and all these polliol
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Speaker 1: pathways that just mess.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and I can explain to kids and parents,
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Speaker 2: what are actual carbo hydrated like the Americans wrecked the word.
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Speaker 2: They call them calves as they say thing as a
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Speaker 2: carb carbs carbon carbon carbohydrate as carbon hydro and oxygen
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Speaker 2: hto water. So in you know, if somebody said you've
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Speaker 2: got to drink seven glass of water a day, but
51:27
Speaker 2: that wasn't an Eastern Asian type person, that was an
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Speaker 2: American because they ate so much carbs, which has got
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Speaker 2: the hydrate missing. They want it's so simple, but we've
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Speaker 2: got to dumb it down, kiss, keep it simple, stupid,
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Speaker 2: so poor all the best. We're going to get rid
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Speaker 2: of the checkout wall of crap. We're going to get
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Speaker 2: rid of we're going to bring in a sugar tax
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Speaker 2: because there are other ninety five countries in the world.
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Speaker 2: Mexico's work, the UK's work, Sevenes, It's work, California and stuff,
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Speaker 2: and now Australia that the what I call them, the
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Speaker 2: sick ministers.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, John, this has been a fascinating journey on
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Speaker 1: all sorts of different topics and and I love just
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Speaker 1: your your practical knowledge of somebody who has been all
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Speaker 1: around the world and talked seen all this sort of
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Speaker 1: stuff going on in in all the blue zones and
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Speaker 1: actually realizes what is actually happening in this country. And
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Speaker 1: we just need to get back to living the way
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Speaker 1: our ancestors did. Right So, But John, thank you for
52:41
Speaker 1: your many, many years of experience and wisdom and great
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Speaker 1: to remember who I got the Loewier tie from. I
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Speaker 1: will now be crediting you from it ongoing because it's brilliant,
52:53
Speaker 1: absolutely brilliant.
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Speaker 2: The last time we met without the.
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Speaker 1: Club, Thental Club. Yes, that's right.
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Speaker 2: One little more thing. Now, do you know the difference
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Speaker 2: between wellness and illness? The two words wellness starts.
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Speaker 1: With week we start to die.
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Speaker 2: Ah, So if you try to do it all yourself,
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Speaker 2: you're likely to get an illness. But if we do
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Speaker 2: this collectively with the you know the part people like
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Speaker 2: you and me around it, well that's we, that's wellness.
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Speaker 2: Love it.
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Speaker 1: Excellent, John, Thanks for your time, have a great Oh
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Speaker 1: where can we send people to find out more about you? Books,
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Speaker 1: any of that sort of stuff that people can can
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Speaker 1: go and look up and buy.
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Speaker 2: Dr John Tigil dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor John t quel dot com, Dr.
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Speaker 2: As a Doctor, Dr John Tigil dot com.
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Speaker 1: Excellent. I'll put that in the show notes and we'll
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Speaker 1: get people out there. Good stuff, mate,