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Tron: Ares (2025) — "End of line." · The Kulturecast

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  Speaker 1: Weird way. Time magazine calls it a vision of the
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  Speaker 1: movie's future, cites that no I, no camera has ever
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  Speaker 1: before beheld up.
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  Speaker 2: I finds it utterly news vividly exciting, a trip and
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  Speaker 2: a half.
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  Speaker 1: Newsweek describes it as some where you've never been, a
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  Speaker 1: brave new world set inside a computer. No movie has
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  Speaker 1: ever looked like this before. Omney calls it an imaginative,
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  Speaker 1: spectacular film.
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  Speaker 2: Tron rated PG now playing a Man's Chinese Hollywood, Man's
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  Speaker 2: west Wood and other selected theaters. Kevin Flynn was reported
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  Speaker 2: missing today. He was last scene with his son Sam.
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  Speaker 1: Sam. I was Paige last night. I came from your
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  Speaker 1: dad's office.
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  Speaker 2: Numbers been disconnected for twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Where am I am? I jam Dad. We have to
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  Speaker 1: get you out of here. It's not that easy, said
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  Speaker 1: here they come.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going home without you.
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  Speaker 1: Drawn legacy. I've created mankind's most advanced artificial intelligence, the
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  Speaker 1: world's most dangerous weapon. I can think for itself here.
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  Speaker 2: Think you're in control of this, John, I came here
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  Speaker 2: from the digital world. I'm looking for something, something you've discovered.
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  Speaker 1: So you've been saying on me. I was directed to
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  Speaker 1: kill you.
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  Speaker 2: Hacking seems pretty tame by comparison. My world is coming
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  Speaker 2: and they are going to destroy yours.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's hundreds of them. Drawn ares, rated PG. Thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: Get tickets now only in theaters October ten, film for IMAX.
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  Speaker 1: At some point in my life, twenty ten may not
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  Speaker 1: have seemed like a long time ago, but at this
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  Speaker 1: point in my life, twenty ten is fifteen years ago,
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  Speaker 1: which is inexhausting an amount of time in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways, primarily for the reason of the lack of
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  Speaker 1: time that it's the length of time rather that it's
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  Speaker 1: been since a Tron sequel came out is fifteen years,
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  Speaker 1: and fifteen years doesn't seem like a long time. But
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  Speaker 1: given that the original Tron came out in nineteen eighty two,
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  Speaker 1: and the sequel came out in twenty ten, and then
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  Speaker 1: the other sequel comes out in twenty twenty five, we
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  Speaker 1: have a span of time that is forty three years.
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  Speaker 1: And those forty three years have seen technology change quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit, and we've gone from Tron, which was as
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  Speaker 1: eighties as it comes, to Tron Legacy, which in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways was as late two thousands, early oughts
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  Speaker 1: as it comes, and then Tron aries, which man really
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  Speaker 1: feels like a twenty twenty five movie. And while the
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  Speaker 1: second movie's title may be about legacy, I actually feel
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  Speaker 1: like the third movie is about legacy as well, but
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  Speaker 1: in a different kind of direction. And the thing that
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  Speaker 1: is always so interesting for me about something like Tron
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  Speaker 1: and watching you know, a sequel that came out in
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  Speaker 1: the twenty tens, which is you know, two years to
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  Speaker 1: two years into the iPhone being out, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: see how far technology has come even since then, and
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  Speaker 1: it feels like, you know, we're Tron Legacy is so
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  Speaker 1: passe in a way, and it feels like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: another lifetime ago, as it were, And what's you know,
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  Speaker 1: crazy about Tron legacy and Tron airies and just life
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  Speaker 1: in general in terms of the length of time passing
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  Speaker 1: and you know, blinking one day and it's been fifteen
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  Speaker 1: years and there's a new Tron sequel, is I had
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  Speaker 1: actually Tron coming out the original legacy that the original
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  Speaker 1: sequel came out before kind of my life became my life.
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  Speaker 1: I guess in a lot of ways, twenty ten was
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  Speaker 1: I was twenty years old, I hadn't met my ex wife,
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't gotten three dogs, I hadn't moved to a break.
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't even finished college at the University of North Texas.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't even at the university or with Texas for
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  Speaker 1: that matter. I was actually still at the University is
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  Speaker 1: Columbia College in Columbia, Missouri, Jesus Christ, and I was
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  Speaker 1: still up there. I was still contemplating trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out a way to get back to Texas. And I
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  Speaker 1: saw Tron Legacy with some friends that I would later
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  Speaker 1: go to India with at the AMC North Park in Dallas, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: AMC North Park is a hell of a theater. I
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  Speaker 1: actually went to the AMC North Park to see Hot Fuzz,
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  Speaker 1: the premiere of Hot Fuzz at AFI Dallas, and I
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  Speaker 1: got to meet Simon Peg and Nick Frost with a
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  Speaker 1: very good high school friend of mine, who I think
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  Speaker 1: likes Tron as much as I do, if not probably more.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Tron Legacy is a movie that has a
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  Speaker 1: very special place in my heart, not just because it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a marker in time for me, but also
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  Speaker 1: the daft punk of it all, also the Tron of
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  Speaker 1: it all. You know, liking Tron at one point was
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  Speaker 1: not cool talking about the original one, not the sequel.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure liking Tron has ever been cool.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how Tron has has has it has
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  Speaker 1: had as many sequels as it has, with may has
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  Speaker 1: making as little money as it has and given the
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  Speaker 1: kind of weird chicanery with the new film and the
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  Speaker 1: Jared Leto of it all, which boy, any time Jared
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  Speaker 1: Leto's involved in anything, there's gonna be something going on.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's weird to me that Tron is a thing,
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  Speaker 1: but it's weird to me that Tron is not a
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  Speaker 1: thing because it is a thing, but it's not a thing.
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  Speaker 1: And they keep trying to make it a thing, but
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  Speaker 1: it is a thing, but it's not a thing. And
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  Speaker 1: it was Deadpool before Deadpool. And while they didn't leak
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  Speaker 1: the footage, they essentially had test footage at Comic Con
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  Speaker 1: in like two thousand and eight, and if you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking, if you know, you know, it's a
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  Speaker 1: teaser trailer that came out of nowhere and it had
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges in it, and it was essentially a proof
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  Speaker 1: of constant similar to the Deadpool kind of footage that
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  Speaker 1: ends up getting the Deadpool film made, which Ryan Reynolds
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  Speaker 1: finally copped to shocking, said nobody, Jesus, Ryan, Jesus, Ryan Reynolds.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, why would anybody be surprised you leaked it.
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  Speaker 1: There'd be no repercussions. You've made the company billions of dollars,
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  Speaker 1: my guy, Like chill, it's fine, Like nobody cares. This
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit more above board. And when you're
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  Speaker 1: talking Disney in the in the late two thousands, early aughts,
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  Speaker 1: everything is done above board. This was done before they
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  Speaker 1: acquired Star Wars, which is kind of why Star Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars and Tron Legacy feel very one and the same.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Tron Legacy feels like a early aughts, late
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  Speaker 1: two thousand's legacy sequel, if not the legacy sequel in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, like rewatching it. So much of
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  Speaker 1: now's legacy sequels are kind of rooted in this. Again,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't want to say this is the progenitor
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  Speaker 1: of it, because I think this would be giving Tron
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  Speaker 1: Legacy too much credit. But I also don't think it
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  Speaker 1: would be unfair to say something like Tron Legacy deserves
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  Speaker 1: a spot in the better legacy sequel discussion, because now
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  Speaker 1: that that kind of conversation is willed out. Over fifteen
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  Speaker 1: years since this movie came out, I think that there
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  Speaker 1: have been a glut of legacy sequels that have not
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  Speaker 1: done a very good job, including Star Wars. I would
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  Speaker 1: actually say Tron Legacy takes more chances than Star Wars does,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a little bit more irreverent with the source
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  Speaker 1: material than Star Wars ever was. I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you went into Tron Legacy expecting the original Tron movie,
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  Speaker 1: which again was not a hit when it came out,
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  Speaker 1: so the love for it is purely reversed nostalgia based.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why anyone needs to be reverent with
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  Speaker 1: the source material. I mean, yes, Ghostbusters was a hit,
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  Speaker 1: but do we need to be reverent with the source material? No,
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  Speaker 1: for fuck's sake, you can watch a movie with the
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  Speaker 1: proton packs, but we don't have to have Egon's ghosts
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  Speaker 1: showing up in the last frames of the movie. And
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  Speaker 1: I love Ghostbus, but it's just at some point it
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  Speaker 1: becomes masturbatory, and I think Tron Legacy is a better
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  Speaker 1: balance of fan service, you know, whatever you want to
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  Speaker 1: call it. You know, the nostalgia bating and new ideas
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  Speaker 1: being executed, and I think those new ideas are kind
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  Speaker 1: of why the movie is all over the place because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them don't land, but a lot of
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  Speaker 1: them again don't expect a lot of things to land.
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  Speaker 1: You know it it Tron Legacy in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways feels like a second draft, maybe not a third draft,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, there is an interesting story there. I
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  Speaker 1: actually think the story of Tron Legacy is interesting with
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the father and the three creations with Kora,
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  Speaker 1: his son Sam, and then Clue the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: digital Avatar, and in a lot of ways, it is
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  Speaker 1: a story of legacy that makes good on the title
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  Speaker 1: of legacy in a way that like it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of signaling what it is ahead of time,
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  Speaker 1: which isn't a bad thing. Star Wars The Force Awakens is,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, like the worst example of mass distribatory
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  Speaker 1: fan service. And it's not that I do or don't
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  Speaker 1: like Star Wars Force Awakens. I've done an episode on
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  Speaker 1: each of those Star Wars you know sequels when they
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  Speaker 1: came out, including Force Awakens, within like an hour of
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  Speaker 1: seeing the movie, and in a private screening with my
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  Speaker 1: friends family because they their dad loved Star Wars so
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  Speaker 1: much that they rented out the ipic feeder for us
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  Speaker 1: to watch it. And now we all loved it at
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  Speaker 1: the time. Like I'm not even gonna pretend that we didn't.
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  Speaker 1: There's a whole episode with me and my friend James,
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  Speaker 1: who I went to the movie with, with my friend Brian,
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  Speaker 1: who loves Star Wars. We all love Star Wars. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a matter of loving Star Wars. It's just a
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  Speaker 1: matter of being exhausted at the way these ips or
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  Speaker 1: franchises are being handled by people, because in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways, like the reverence to the source material is
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  Speaker 1: needed in some respect, but I wouldn't say, like, let's
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  Speaker 1: treat it like fucking gospel, for God's sakes. And in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I think the people that are
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  Speaker 1: disappointed by something like Tron Legacy are disappointed that it's
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  Speaker 1: not I don't I don't know what people were expecting
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  Speaker 1: with Tron Legacy, frankly, like you got a movie that's
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  Speaker 1: a sequel to Tron that did like again, that didn't
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  Speaker 1: even feel like it was ever really going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it had been talked about for fucking years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it had been talked about since the original
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  Speaker 1: one came out, I mean essentially since the nineties. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they had talked about another Tron movie, and Tron, you know,
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  Speaker 1: had even been discussed as being a Pixar thing in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. So you know, there was a sequel
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  Speaker 1: video game that came out that you know, reminiscent of
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  Speaker 1: speaking of Ghostbusters with the Ghostbusters video Game, which is
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  Speaker 1: still the best Ghostbusters sequel of anything that's ever come out,
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  Speaker 1: no offense to any of the movies, and I actually
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  Speaker 1: like Frozen Empire, but I think the video game is
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  Speaker 1: still the best sequel thing of Ghostbusters ever come out.
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  Speaker 1: And again, you can engage with it in a much
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  Speaker 1: longer kind of format. It's not in just three hours.
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  Speaker 1: They're not forcing everything back into it. There's no JK.
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  Speaker 1: Simmons's evo shandor yes that's a thing that actually happened
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  Speaker 1: and didn't need to happen for that matter. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: Tron is one of those things where you know, the
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  Speaker 1: source material wasn't something that people were banging on the
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  Speaker 1: door to have anyways. It was a very small group
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  Speaker 1: of people. And so you know, there was a sequel
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  Speaker 1: video game that did really well that people kind of
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  Speaker 1: vibed with. But again, it didn't move the needle enough
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  Speaker 1: to make a movie. It took someone like Joseph Kazinski going,
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  Speaker 1: all right, if we can get a concept trailer together
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  Speaker 1: and launch it at the right place, which again Comic Con, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: is the right fucking place. You know. They were like,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's do something with Tron, and let's just premiere
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  Speaker 1: it at Comic Con, and let's see what the response
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  Speaker 1: is and if the response is overwhelmingly positive and people
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  Speaker 1: are you know, kind of you know, if the if
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  Speaker 1: the needle moves, we'll do something with it. And the
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  Speaker 1: needle move pretty substantially, I remember, you know, at the time,
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  Speaker 1: and I again, I'm not as dialed into the pop
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  Speaker 1: culture world as I used to be, but I still
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: try to be as much as I can, just you know,
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  Speaker 1: for the sake of not trying to feel like an
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: old fuddy duddy, which you know, I mean again, I
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm fighting that at every step of the
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  Speaker 1: step of my life. At this point, my girlfriend found
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  Speaker 1: gray hairs in my temples, So you know, we're we
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  Speaker 1: are we are now in the getting gray hairs aspect
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  Speaker 1: of life, which is perfectly fine. I actually I welcome it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I'm trying to fight the feeling like
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  Speaker 1: an old, out of touch fuddy duddy. So I try
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  Speaker 1: to keep in touch with the pop culture news of
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  Speaker 1: the time. And you know, I remember Tron Legacy's teaser
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  Speaker 1: trailer coming out and feeling it feeling important, it feeling
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  Speaker 1: like a thing that was like, holy shit, Tron a
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  Speaker 1: Tron sequel, And you know, again, it's one thing to
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  Speaker 1: have a Tron sequel with Jeff Bridges coming back. You know,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: say what you will about Garrett Headland. I actually like
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: Garrett Headland. I'm sure a lot of people get him
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: and Joel Kiddiman confused with one another, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of unfair because Garrett Headlin has been in
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  Speaker 1: a lot less things than Joel Kinneman in terms of
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  Speaker 1: visibility for most people. Joel Kineman was in the Suicide
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  Speaker 1: Squad recently. The last thing Garrett Headland was really in,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the marsh King's Daughter featuring speaking of Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars Daily, Daisy Ridley. Sure, and I know he was.
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  Speaker 1: People have told me that he does a rather good
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  Speaker 1: job in Inside Llewellyn Davis, but he hasn't really been
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  Speaker 1: in anything as high profile as Tron Legacy, and in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, it feels like maybe Tron Legacy
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  Speaker 1: kind of derailed his rise, and in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people's eyes, I don't actually think it did. In reality,
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  Speaker 1: I think he is nowhere near the actual problem with
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  Speaker 1: Tron Legacy. I think Tron Legacy is just not a
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  Speaker 1: kind of focused script. I think it's just kind of
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  Speaker 1: all over the place in in terms of a script,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of a movie, in terms of a sequel
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  Speaker 1: to a original product, that they're trying to get new
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  Speaker 1: people in the door, because ultimately it should have been
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  Speaker 1: more about getting new people in the door, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it actually does a very good job of that
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  Speaker 1: by crafting a new world around the original world of Tron.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I just don't know how many people really
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  Speaker 1: wanted that. And with what ends up happening now with
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  Speaker 1: Tron Aries, the movie that just came out, which I
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  Speaker 1: will be talking about and I will be trying not
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  Speaker 1: to spoil, but let's just be honest here, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: spoil it, so if you haven't seen it, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: spoil it. I don't I mean, I think at this point,
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  Speaker 1: it needs people going to see it pretty badly if
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get anything else Tron ever again. And it
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: kind of doesn't seem like we're gonna get anything else
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  Speaker 1: Tron at this point, because I don't think there's any
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  Speaker 1: amount of begging people to go see it that could
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  Speaker 1: change the like one hundred million dollar deficit that the
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  Speaker 1: movie is currently sitting at, because as of right now,
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  Speaker 1: it has an estimated budget of one hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars in a box office take of sixty nine
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  Speaker 1: which is really bad. I mean that's like really bad.
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  Speaker 1: Even the original movie didn't The original movie didn't even bomb.
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  Speaker 1: The original sequel made double its money back, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more than double its money back. The budget was
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy million in the box office of
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and nine million. I think a little bit
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  Speaker 1: a bit of that was people being excited for a
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  Speaker 1: Tron sequel. I think that the Tron teaser trailer helped.
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  Speaker 1: I think the daft punk of it all actually really
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  Speaker 1: helped as well. I think people weren't as jaded then
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  Speaker 1: as they are now. I actually think Tron Aries will
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  Speaker 1: in the long run find its audience. I actually think
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Tron Aries is a pretty fun movie. I think it's
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: a fun movie. I don't think it needs to be
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  Speaker 1: more than that. I think there's a lot of interesting
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  Speaker 1: ideas in tron Aries. I know frequent collaborator Father Malone
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  Speaker 1: did not want to see the real world of and Tron,
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  Speaker 1: and we were joking about the pixels of it all
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: in in an offline conversation about Tron when we were
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out if we should cover Tron. Mike
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  Speaker 1: White and Father Malone and I were debating covering Tron
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  Speaker 1: and we couldn't make it happen. But I ended up
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  Speaker 1: watching it myself, and so I wanted to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: But I do understand the I have no interest in
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  Speaker 1: seeing the real world of Tron, the real world land
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  Speaker 1: Tron rather and you know, I get it. I actually
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  Speaker 1: think in Tron areas it's done rather well. It's done
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  Speaker 1: kind of in an interesting way. It's not done in
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  Speaker 1: the way that I was expecting. There's some kind of
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: weird arbitrary things like it only allowing twenty nine minutes
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: of lifespan on the you know, digitally created things, be
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  Speaker 1: it tanks or aries, the kind of master control that
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  Speaker 1: they can conjure into the real world the Master Control program.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the reverse of the original two movies. They're
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  Speaker 1: bringing programs into the real world as opposed to going
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: into the you know grid or the Dyllinger grid in
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: this movie, and I get it. I'm personally kind of
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: on board with it only because it's kind of it
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to kind of be Terminator without being Terminator,
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  Speaker 1: which again could have been interesting if given the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: with and the right audience. But y'all, kim running just
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  Speaker 1: I don't think was given a fair shake because the
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  Speaker 1: movie wasn't supposed to be this. It was supposed to
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: be something else. It was supposed to be a movie
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  Speaker 1: called tron Ascension, and that movie doesn't exist because Jared
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Leto got involved and Jared Leto took over the project,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and because he was a producer, and because he's a producer,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: they made the movie that he wanted to make, which
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: is this movie, which is tron Aries, and it's all
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: about the Aris character. The Aris character was not the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: focus of the original script. The original script is more
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: kind of Aris as kind of a character in the script,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: not the focus of the script, which is you know.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, we've seen things like this before where
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: characters kind of you know, seem like they're not necessarily
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: supposed to be the focus of the movie and because
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: someone gets involved. I mean, you could make the case
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that a movie like Morbius has no point existing the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: way that it does other than the fact that Jared
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Leto is in it. Morbius should have had a superhero
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: attached to him, because he's not a big enough character.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But yet the Jared Letto of it all, or again,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the Suicide Squad of it all, the Jared Letto of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the Suicide Squad, his involvement in the movie is actually
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: hurts the movie more than it helps it. And what's
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: funny is you could make the case that Jared Leto
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: hurts this franchise by being involved with it the way
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: he is, by producing the movie and saying, all right,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do a movie about a character that, again,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I have an interest in playing, and so therefore I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: want to be involved in the movie, and I want
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: him to have a bigger part. And because I want
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to play this character, of course he has to have
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a bigger part. And so the Jared Letto of it
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: all is now this is the focus of the movie.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: It's the subtitle of the goddamn film tron Airy, which
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: is fine. However, if you don't vibe with Jared Leto,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna vibe with this movie. And it's a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: very Jared Leto performance, but in a way that I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: actually kind of enjoyed. And it's a Jared Leto performance
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in the sense that he goes full method acting on
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the robot of it all, Like he really pulls off
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I think the robot program, you know, can quickly access information,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is a sentient program. I mean, there's a little bit
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of Evan rachel Wood from Westworld in there. Like there's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of these kind of newer ideas with AI
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and programs that Terminator kind of feels pass a when
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: those movies try to do it. And I actually think
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that this movie does a better job of being Terminator
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: than Terminator recently has in terms of bridging the divide
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: between how do we have the real world and the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: AI program world interact with each other in a way
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that feels like there are actual stakes and that it
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: feels dangerous. That's the thing that this movie, because again
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it's a Disney movie, doesn't really get at and it's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the part that I think could have actually really been interesting,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: which is how fucking terrifying it is to have to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: deal with the programs who are unfeeling uncaring, you know, again,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: unable to do anything other than execute on their expectations
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to the point of killing characters that don't deserve to die.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But again, like it proves a point of like, this
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: is what I'm expected to do. You're asked me to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: do it, so I'm gonna do it. I mean, there's
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit of that or a lot of that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in tron Legacy with Clue, where Clue is asked to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: do something and then you know, the chase for perfection
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: destroys the good and Clue and turns Clue evil because this,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the the pursuit of perfection is inherently kind
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of you know, you realize that if you're pursuing perfection,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: sometimes you have to make decisions that aren't necessarily the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: best one in the pursuit of something that may not
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: even be attainable, and the pursuit of perfection, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at someone like Thanos. You know, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: have to destroy half of the universe to save the universe, like, well,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that's great and all, but that doesn't have to be
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the end all, be all best way to solve things.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And Clue and tron Legacy is the same thing. Clue
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is essentially digital Hitler. He you know, wants to wipe
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: out all the programs that don't agree with his mindset
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: with that don't agree with his way of doing things,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that don't agree with the digital kind of frontier that
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: he's crafting, which again is the one that Jeff Bridges
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: as Kevin Flynn is asking him to craft. But it's
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not the way it was supposed to be.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: It's not the future the way it's supposed to be.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Clue is gotten corrupted by the kind of attainment of
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: power because you know, Clu looks at the ISOs, the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: kind of aberrant evolutions in the code as lesser than
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and so the ISOs need to be wipe out. And
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the lesser than or different among us being
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: needing to be wiped out is very topical in twenty
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: twenty five, given the state of things, Given the state
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: of things and the feelings of people towards other people
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: for no fucking good reason, looking at you racist out there,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: all of you racist. Clue is a digital racist. He
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: sees the supremacy of the code of the original idea
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: as it was written. There is no evolution, There is
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: no movement of the idea. There is no furtherance, There
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: is no evolution beyond the programming. The programming is. The
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: programming is the programming in any aberration outside of that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: needs to be destroyed. It shouldn't be talked to or
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: looked at or even discussed. It needs to be erased
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and wiped away. And that is very binary thinking, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: tron legacy is all about looking at the world through
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: non binary eyes and looking at the world through the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: idea that the world doesn't need to have a decision
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: made of ones or zeros. You can have the world
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: existing outside of the code. The programming can be fought
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the programming. You know, sometimes the programming in and of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: itself creates aberrations that you don't exist. The isomorphic algorithms
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that explain religion and again like explain everything. If you
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: transpose that onto our world, you know, there the explanations
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of the supernatural world and the world that can never
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: be explained, and you know, the the dreams or the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: human mind, you know, not operating at one hundred percent.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And you know what is what is the unlockable capacity
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of the human mind? You know in tron Areas, you
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: know you can go into the code and have your
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: code you know, corrupted, code uncorrupted, which you know just
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that you know the possibilities of that alone are you
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and you know the idea behind that. You know, have
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: so many possibilities to push someone through a digitizer and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: undigitize them, could fix any aberrations in their code, see
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that as cancer or a tumor or you know, mental
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: health problems. I mean again, you know, the ability to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: solve you know, schizophrenia at a cellular level would be
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you know, the the franchise rights alone to speaking to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: ghostblusters of it all. And tron Aris kind of verges
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: on those interesting ideas. I think tron Aris is interested
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in other things. The idea of this movie, tron Legacy,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: was probably more present in tront Ascension than it is
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in tron Aris. Tron Arias is a lot more of
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a violent movie about a violent a violent takeovers of
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the code as it were, and given the state of things,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: given the state of our world, right now, the fact
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that this movie is red while the original movie is blue,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you know, coded blue and then coded red. H And
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the fact that in Tron ares when you know, when
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Aris turns good, he turns blue, or I guess more aptly,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: he turns kind of blue white, depending on how you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: can view the original costumes in the original Tron Legacy
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: or the Original Tron sequel, the white piping on the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: costume that looks you know, kind of against blue blue
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: slash white versus the red or the orange that clues
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: wearing in the in legacy. You know, it's it's very
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: apropos of the times, maybe a little too on the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: nose if you think about it. I tend not to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: get super political on the things that I talk about,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: but the idea of a hostile takeover of a company
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: from the outside by another company who is hell bent
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: on figuring out a code so that they can weaponize
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the digital sphere, and you know, treat you know, expendable
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: code as expendable, even though there's a possibility that the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: code is learning and thinking on its own, but it
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is one hundred percent expendable. To quote the film, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to quote Evan Peters, in the film as Julian Dillinger,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: who you know, it's it's very obvious you couldn't get
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Killian Murphy from tron Legacy, so you put you did
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the next best thing, which is, oh, this is the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: grandson of of David Warner's character from the original movie,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and Killian Murphy is the son of David Warner's character.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So this is Jillian Anderson. Is Killian Murphy's sister, question mark?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess so she must be. And we
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: never really hear anything about him. So like that that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that that creature, that meme creature that just has its
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: hands in the air, just doesn't know what to do.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That's that's what it feels like. I mean, Killian Murphy
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: won an Oscar, so he's he's too he's too high
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: high falutin to be in tron Aris. I'm sure that's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: not what it is. I mean, I'm sure maybe Toronto
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Sension had him in the script. And you know, again,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: this this movie does feel a little bit if you
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: know the backstory, it does feel a little bit like
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a Jared Leto Passion project. And you know, again, what's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: weird is back in the day, something like toys with
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Barry Levinson and Rob Williams feels more like a passion project,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like the fact that a passion project can now be
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a IP, like a long standing, you know, forty three
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: year old IP like that is now what can be
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: considered a passion project is just putting yourself in a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: fucking Tron movie. I mean, in a lot of ways,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: people will you know, maybe scoff at this comparison, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's rather apt comparison. This in a lot
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of ways is just spiral, but with Jared Leto instead
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of Chris Rock. Yeah, spiral from the Book of Tron,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, aries from the Book of Tron.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Like that, that's probably a better, better comparison. But like
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: this is really just like Chris Rock was like I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: want to be in a Jigsaw movie, and Jared Leto's like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I really like Tron for some reasonly. You know, I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't tell you why Jared Leto likes Tron. I you know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I will say that Jared Leto is fifty three fucking
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: years old, so he grew up in the eighties, so
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you know, he's the right age for somebody you like
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Tron obviously, and getting involved at the production level, you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: means he must have some interest in Tron. Look, I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: will say the visual imagery of Tron is still arresting.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Tron aris very arresting. Tron Legacy more arresting because Tron
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Legacy is a a vibe movie, and Tron Legacy is
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: also be more. The whole fucking movie is in the grid.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You know. The thing about Tron areas that it suffers
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: from is the best parts of the movie are the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Grid or the other World, or or Flynn's Grid or
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Dylander's grid, or however you want to perceive it. Whichever
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: grid that they're in. That's, you know, the visually interesting
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: part of the movie. But we're just not there enough.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And because we're not there enough, we you know, feel
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: more like, well, we're just watching a movie set in
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the modern day kind of Seattle. I mean again, I'm
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: assuming it's in Seattle. It's probably it's it's set wherever
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the original movie is set, which seems to be Seattle.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming again. It looks like Pacific Northwest, so it
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't look particularly like anything other than a nondescript Pacific
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Northwestern city. It's a city on the ocean, so there
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you go, it's not anything interesting, and tron Legacy is
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: an interesting, visually arresting film, and that will always have
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the edge over something like tron Aris. Like always, something
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that's interesting to look at will always be more interesting,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: just base than something that is not that is just
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a movie that looks like other movies that you can
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: see again the tron areas of it all like the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Arias in the real world of it all, and the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: tron in the real world of it all like, yes,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's not what I would want. I would want
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: more of the Grid, as it were. I struggled to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: think about what else they could have done on the Grid,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: given that the whole last movie was said on the Grid,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: but I hoped they could have come up with something interesting.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: The original tron Legacy, you know, grid that we see
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: also feels a lot more grounded and real than the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: one in Aries. Aries just does feel kind of like
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: a CGI set. Legacy doesn't feel like a CGI set
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: all the time that you know, at the end of
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the line, Club Flynn's kind of shrine or where he lives,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: those are all very real sets like those are all
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: very real places, and most of tron Aris just kind
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of feels like CGI, which you know, I mean again
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, all right, Like there's like feels like
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: there's maybe three sets in tron Areas and that's it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: In Tron Legacy, it feels like there's a lot more
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: than that. But again, you know, things have changed. Times
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: have changed. You know, the expectations for franchises have changed.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: We we can now do things without spending money on
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: real things that we're gonna have to deal with. We
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: can just you know, have a bunch of CGI Tron
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: disc warriors fighting you know, Dyllinger, Grid Sword, Darth Maul,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: robot men, you know, program fighters. Like it's you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of CGI. It's fun, it's big, it's bombastic.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But Tron Legacy I think tells a more interesting kind
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: of personal story. Tront Aries feels more like, again a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: kind of an AI retelling of Terminator, And I'm not
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: saying like AI wrote it, but a focus on AI
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: versus robots. So you know, just replace the robots in
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Terminator with AI and you kind of get tron. Tron
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Legacy is more about the Kevin Flynn, Sam Flynn Cora
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Clue relationship and the kind of the four of them
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: as it were interacting with one another, like you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: this movie is more about Evan Peters's character kind of
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: taking over ncome by force and trying to figure out
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a way to weaponize the grid because again the twenty
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: twenty five of it all, of course it's about you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: weaponizing the tron technology or the grid technology. Of course
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not what Jeff Bridges and tron Legacy
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: is all about, man, which is you know, the digital
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: frontier and solving you know, world hunger. You know, again,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the idea of putting someone into the grid and taking
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: them out and that fixing their DNA. You know, they
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit in tron areas, but
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: they just it's not it's not the focus of this movie.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: The focus of this movie is Evan Peters being a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: nasty bad guy and you know, trying to destroy Encom
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: so that he can make hundreds of billions of gazillions
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of dollars on bringing Tron technology into the real world
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to turn it into weapons and turn the you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: digital soldiers that die and come back. I mean, it
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is the West World of it all. Like what would
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: happen if you had a theme park where the people
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: could come and fight, you know, fight and fuck and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: do whatever they wanted with things that looked like human
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: beings like Pete. There are some people that would pay
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars a day to go do it, which
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is the price of Westworld to day. And you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that's kind of another direction you can go with something
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: like tron I mean, you could you could have had
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: people being digitized into the world of Tron to you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: as a digital escape. You could sell that. I mean
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that's another direction that you could go. But you know
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the direction they went is the very you know, industrial
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: military complex of it all, where we're just gonna sell
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you know, tanks to the highest bidder, which is the
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: opening scene with Evan Peters. You know, look at these
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: tanks that we have, and you know what's better than
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the perfect tank the perfect soldier to drive it, who's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: not really a soldier but a program so we feel
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: nothing for him. And again they're quote one expendable unquote.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I I don't dislike that or like that. I just
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like it's a little on the nose.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just we've seen this before. It's not
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: very interesting, it's not very original. Trom Legacy has some
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: interesting ideas. Tront Aris is just, I don't know, like
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: tront Aris in a lot of ways, just feels like
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: missing the point of what makes Tron so fun. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: you know, with something like Tron Legacy, to go back
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to the kind of the place and time of it all,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I you know, I remember watching Tron Legacy at a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: time where I didn't quite feel like an adult and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't quite feel like I knew what my perception
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of legacy was going to be or what legacy I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: was going to leave. And you know, I have friends
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: now that have kids. You know, some of my friends,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: close friends have two kids. You know, my roommate from
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: college has two kids now, two boys, a baby boy
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and like a boy who's like a year year and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a half old. And that's you know, that's the beginning
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of legacy. I mean, that's the beginning of his legacy.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, my legacy in a lot of ways,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like I struggle with what my legacy will be if
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I don't have children, And you know that's you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: when you look at the character of Jeff Bridges and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Tron Legacy, he created clue you know, in spite of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that he already had a son with Sam.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: He has a son in Sam Flynn, and he creates
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Clue anyways in the search of perfection because he wants
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to make a perfect world, even though I mean again
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: he has a son, which he realizes in this movie, like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you know, it's all about, you know, the people you
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: surround yourself with, not striving for perfection. It's all about
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: caring for the people that are in your life, not
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: ignoring them in search of, you know, the perfect world.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And you know, he misses out on a relationship with
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Sam Flynn in search of the perfect world, in search
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: of the world. With Clue, he gets trapped in the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: grid for twenty years and then you know, Sam comes
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in to save him, and then he meets essentially the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the the child that his dad created or you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: kind of raised in his stead, which is Quorra. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Cora is a you know, an isomorphic so you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: she is becoming sentient in isomorphic algorithm. So she's learning
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: on her own and becoming aware and self aware and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: is getting emotions. And you know, we see that in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: tron Ares with Jared Letto. He's it's a little bit.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit more on the nose. In tron Aries,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit more kind of blunt and less subtle.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, in Toronto Legacy, we don't see it. We're
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: kind of told about it. In tront Areas, it just
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: kind of we see it all in kind of these
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: weird he's in the footage, Jared leto is or he's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in the server looking at the information and see kind
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of the makeup of the the Eve Kim character, the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Grete Lee character, who actually, you know, I had not
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: seen her in anything, and I liked her a fair amount.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: She's she's very good. She's a good opposite Jared Letto,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: which is you know, again he kind of you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: he he necessitates someone staying out of his way because
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: he's such a big presence in his own mind, at
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: least that's the way he wants to perceive himself. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: so the way he's going to book himself, as it were,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is as kind of the star of the show. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I would say tron Aries very much so the star
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of the show. And again for good and for bad,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, I actually think the good barely outweighs
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the bad, and this barely being the keyword. I again,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I actually vibe with Jared Leto and tront arias, which
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised by because I have not vibed with Jared
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Letto in anything I've ever seen him in. In a
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, Jared Leedo is an actor I would
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: avoid if not for the It's morbid time of it all,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: or if not for the tron I p of it all.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And you know, Jared Leto's legacy. It is tron Airies
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: at this point, which I find to be rather ironic
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: given the title of tron Legacy, you know, being you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: know again, a movie about what legacy do we leave?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And how do we how do we protect our legacy?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: You know, Jeff Bridges sacrifices himself in tron Legacy to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: save his son and Quorra, and you know again, does
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: he die? We don't know. In tront Aries, Jeff Bridges
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: is back because of nostalgia. I don't Jeff Bridges is
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: back in tront Aries because they want to have Jared
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Leto and Jeff Bridges share a scene together, which is fine,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't really serve a purpose, and it honestly
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: opens more questions than it answers. So, you know, because
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: at the end of Tron Legacy, Jeff Bridges makes a
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: sacrifice to deal with Clue by reabsorbing him, by accepting
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: him and you know, bringing him back into the fold,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: as it were. And I actually think it's rather poignant
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: ending to have the Creator kind of absorb the creation
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and become one with the creation, to accept the creation
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: as you know, as not maybe one in one and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the same, but you know, as an extension of him.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And I like that about the movie. I like that
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: that's where it ends up going. But it is for
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: me disappointing that they felt the need to go back
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to the well of Jeff Bridges and Tron Ares because
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: he's just it feels like such a digression in the movie.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: But you know, the scene leading up to it's pretty
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: great because we get to see some you know, Jared
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Leto in nineteen eighties Tron, and we get to see
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties Tron faithfully remade through the magic of CGI,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: which I actually found that part of the movie to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: be rather charming. It's just I don't need to see
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges because it doesn't really do anything. It doesn't
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: really go anywhere the inclusion of Jeff. I would rather
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: have had Garrett Headlund in this movie than Jeff Bridges
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: because the question left at the end of Tron Legacy
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: is much more interesting than where this movie goes with
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the remaining parts of Tron Legacy, which is the j
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Bridges of it all. Like at the end of Tron Legacy,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the question of how does Kevin Flynn's legacy now become?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: What is it? You know, what does it become in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the real world is such an interesting question because you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: have his son and essentially his daughter and you know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: or you know, his surrogate daughter out in the real world,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and we don't know what that's going to mean. We
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to be together because again,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like they're not like biologically related, and what would that
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: mean if there's a could could there a human program
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: hybrid exist? And what are the ramifications of that? Which
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: is kind of the Blade Runner sequel, and you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: none of those directions are gone and it's this is
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you know, gone in a much more kind of obvious
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: direction with tront Aris, and you know, tront Ari should
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: have had the tagline of fight your programming because it
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: ends up being about a program becoming sentient, and we've
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: already seen that in Tron Legacy. We just didn't see
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the journey because at that point, like even in twenty ten,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: like we don't need to see the journey of this.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: This journey has been on better in Terminator too, in
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: terms of just kind of getting to the point if
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do this kind of thing. But also, like
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you know, with something like Westworld, you know, I would
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: contend that that's a better version of what this movie
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: is doing in terms of asking the question of, like
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: what happens when a program becomes sentient and aware of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: its programming as it were, you know, I just I
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: think Tron Areas is just asking questions that aren't particularly
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: interesting in the world of Tron, not because they're not interesting,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: but because the questions have already been answered and they're
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: just retreading them. At this point. It's not interesting to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: retread old ground when there's so much new ground to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: tread and there's so many new ideas you could go with.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Because again, like the programs in the real world is
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: essentially where this movie ends, which is essentially where the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: last movie ended. So this movie honestly just feels like
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a complete retcon of the last. This feels like, you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a sequel to Tron, not a sequel to Tron Legacy,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: like Tron Legacy existed outside of this movie. Because the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: only thing that this movie kind of addresses in terms
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of Tron Legacy is He's missing. He being Kevin Flynn.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: You know, Sam Flynn has mentioned in tron Aries, but
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: we don't see him. We don't see him or Coorra,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: which is such a missed opportunity. And again, judging by
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the immense financial loss that this movie is kind of absorbing,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: we're probably not gonna see any more Tron anything. You know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the Tron TV show, the cartoon that was kind of
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: so well regarded that came out in between Tron Legacy
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: and Tron Aris, a cartoon that you know, so many
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: people have told me about. You know, Uprising is the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: best Tron thing, is what I've been told. You know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I think Tron Legacy is still very good. I actually
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: think Tron Legacy works better now because of Tron Aries,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: because of all these Legacy sequels that have come out
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that aren't as good or as interesting as Tron Legacy.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I think Tron Legacy stands above those those other Legacy sequels,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and Tron Legacy, I think visually is still interesting. I
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: think tron Aries just it feels very much like a
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Tron movie made in the post MCU world, where it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: all kind of CGI and very slick and very well
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: crafted and well maintained. Like Tron Legacy, a lot of
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: those sets were real. They were real sets that were
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: crafted by real people, and they looked really good. This
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: movie is all CGI and it just kind of feels hollow,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: and it feels kind of like a you know, hollow
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: retelling of a much more interesting story, which this movie
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: kind of is. This is essentially just Tron Legacy reversed,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Tron Legacy, you know, reverse Uno edition, like
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you know, literally, you know, instead of you know, Garrett
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Headland going to the grid, we have Jared Leto coming
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to the real world. You know, instead of Quorra becoming
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a real girl, we have Tron Aris becoming a real girl. So,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: you know, the Garrett Headland and Cora characters from Tron
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Legacy are just turned in to one with Aries in
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: this movie. You know, it's it's such a missed opportunity.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: And I think that you know, the people that weren't
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: interested in Tron the first time definitely aren't interested this time.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And I also think that maybe you've hit the point
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of people who would be interested in Tron not being
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: interested anymore, because, you know, fifteen years in terms of
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: pop culture relevancy is a long time, and I'm not
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: sure how many fifteen year olds would be going to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: see tron Aries. And the problem is, this movie does
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: have things going for it that should make it mainstream interesting.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: It does have dared Letto, who has mainstream appeal. It
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: does have the inclusion of Jeff Bridges, who you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: still moves the needle for some people. But I think
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the thing that this movie has that you know, is
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: probably the most mainstream thing of all, is the Nine
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Inch Nails soundtrack, which, you know, I think a lot
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: of people with Tron Legacy kind of pooh pooh the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: movie and go. But it does a good soundtrack, So
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it's a crappy movie with a good soundtrack. It's like, okay,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: you know what, Tron Legacy is actually a good movie
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: with a great soundtrack. Tront Aries is an okay movie
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: with an amazing soundtrack. I think in a lot of ways,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Nine Inch Nails works really well for the violent nature
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: of tron Aris, because Toronto Areas is a much more
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: violent movie. At one point, you have Evan Peters just
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: asking for the Grete Lee character to be killed in
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the grid so that her body can't be found in
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: the real world, which is fucking nuts. Again in a
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Disney movie, that's pretty sadistic. And I like the violent
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: red nature of the movie and how it's reflected in
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the Nine Inch Nail soundtrack. I just don't think that
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the movie reaches the heights that the soundtrack hits, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: that's you know, it's a shame because the soundtrack is
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: really good. I mean as alive as you need me
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to be. The single is really good. All of the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: you know, non dialogue music is really good. Like it's
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: again like tron Legacy with the the daft punk soundtrack,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: which I mean daft Punk even shows up in the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: end of line Club, which I think, undoubtedly for me,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: is probably the best part of tron Legacy. With Michael Sheen,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: who is just playing a character from another movie. Literally,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you know, he brings the hamminess of the Marravngian from
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the Matrix with the kind of the pomp of in
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Michael, the character Michael Sheen plays
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: in Twilight. I mean it's just he's hamming it up,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: like really like hamming it up, like in the merrivngiin
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and the Matrix isn't even hamming it up that much.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Like he's hamming it up, and like he's like David
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Bowie adjacent, like he's unhidden. And you know, he's also
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the Lando Calrisian of the movie, where you know, he
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: baits our characters in by thinking, you know, all, I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the I'm the underground leader of the resistance, but it
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: turns out I'm actually selling you out because I'm playing
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: both sides. It's like, okay, like that's interesting. But then
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: he just dies, and it's again, feels like I missed
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: opportunity that we get such an interesting character for like
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds in the movie, is what it feels like.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: But you know, probably too much of a good thing
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: would probably be too much, and his character, if they
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: did too much of it would be a lot because
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: he is overwritten. But an overwritten character in a movie
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: like Tron Legacy that feels kind of like a vibe
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: movie and not necessarily just like the aggressive film that
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Aries is. Like, you know, when you have a character
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like that introduced in the movie, it does kind of
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: stand out, but you know, sometimes in a bad way.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think Michael Sheen stands out in a bad way.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I think he's he's a fun character. That being said,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: tron Aris does have some you know again, Jullian Anderson
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: is overacting as Killian Murphy's sister, you know, David Warner's daughter. Yeah,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: she's she's hamming it up. I like where she's kind
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: of bringing things kind of in and what her kind
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of feelings are. Jodie Turner Smith also very good. Her
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: kind of energy is very aggressive. I will say like
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: tron Aries is a aggressive movie and and you know,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: again in a way that you know, some people may
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: not vibe with. But I I really like the kind
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of the sensibility of tron Aries in terms of what
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: it's going for. I just don't think it executes it
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: very well. I think tron Ares executes on its ideas
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: of kind of the digital grid man and you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: we're we're trying to change the world. You know, we're
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it's the Uprising, and you know, we're fighting back against
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the evil Empire, and you know, it feels very Star Wars.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean again to go back to the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Lando Kelisian of it all. But you know, I feel
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: like tron Legacy just probably came out a couple of
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: years too early in a lot of ways. You know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: it does a better job of being the Force Awakens
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: than The Force Awakens ever could have because tron Legacy
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: is more irreverent with the source material than Tron Aries is.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Like tron Aris just kind of goes back to tron
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Legacy and uses it as the source material and just
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: retells a lot of in a lot of ways, the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Quorra story from Tron Legacy, like tron Aris isn't really
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: doing a lot of new things. And again it is
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: kind of just doing the Terminator story as well, Terminator two,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Terminator one, and Terminator two rolled into one. Tron Legacy
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: just you know, it's more Prometheus, less Alien Covenant, and
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: tron Areas is a little bit more Covenant, a little
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: less Prometheus, like tron Legacy just is asking more interesting questions,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and it's posing more interesting questions, and it's posing a
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: more interesting direction to take the franchise. I'd also like
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: to point out if you had a d d resin
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: gun or a d you know, a laser, a particle laser,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and you could just zap people into the grid, why
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you just use that to as technology to just
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: zap people away into the digital grid and then just
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: kill them in there, and then you'd never have to
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: worry like or use it for just like trash removal
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and be the world's biggest trash removal company because you
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: just d res garbage. Like again, it's you know, the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: military application is great, but the military application is not
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the easiest way to make money. And if that's what
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Evan Peters is trying to do is make money, there's
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: easier ways to do it, especially if you have essentially,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: you know, a digital black hole like Homer finds in
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that Treehouse of Horrors episode. I mean, it's it seems
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: like an awful waste of such a useful tool to
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: just be like, well, I can make a digital tank
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: that I can then have it go room room and
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: blow shit up, like or you could just zap your
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: enemies into the grid and then have them murdered and
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: they would never even know what happened. No one would
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: know what happened they would disappear without a trace, which
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: is what happened to Jeff Bridges in the second movie.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: So it's like the ideas right there, and they just
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: kind of roof miss it. They're not interested in telling
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: that story. And that's the Jared Letto of it all.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And that, for me, is the thing about tron Areas
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: that I don't like, which is that Jared Leto's influence
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: is at a cellular level with the movie, and he
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: kind of makes it all about him, and he ignores
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the interesting questions that the last movie poses because he
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: wants to do the Pinocchio story in twenty twenty five.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Like brother, I get it, no, no, But I think
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: that this is also to speak of legacy and to
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: speak of marking the end of an era, because again,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I saw tron Legacy before I was married,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: and I saw tron aries not only after I was married,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: but after all three of my dogs passed away, because
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: most recently two weeks ago, my first dog that I
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: ever got on my own passed away as the last
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: of the three dogs that I had with my ex wife,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and a very traumatic, kind of heart heartbreaking way, and
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: you know it obviously it affected me immensely because as
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: someone who has no compunction to be a parent, you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: at least of a human child, your children, if you
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: are a you know, a parent of animals are your animals,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and so to lose them is very traumatic as it is,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: but you know, to go suddenly is also not great either,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and it was rather sudden, and it was rather traumatic.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And you know, then I went and watched Tron Aries
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, the last time I saw
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: a Tron movie on the big screen was when I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: was a single guy in my early twenties, just recovering
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: from the most traumatic thing that had happened to me then,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: which I mean need pales and combarisson to the things
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: that have happened now, especially just in the last year.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: But it feels like again, like the end of an era,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: because you know, Jared Leto will not be the lead
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: of a franchise anytime soon, if ever again. I think
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: his commercial viability is over, and I think that, you know,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: he should probably stick to smaller projects because I don't
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: know if he has the drawing power anymore that he
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: used to, and I wonder if he ever did. And
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I don't want to poo pooh his popularity, because I
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: know he is popular, and I don't think he's a
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: bad actor. I just think he's a little bit like
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Nick Cage. The flavor of ice cream that he is
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: is not a flavor of ice cream for everyone, and
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: that is okay. You know, he's not my flavor of
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: ice cream, per se. I try that ice cream every
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: now and then, but I am reminded that it's not
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: necessarily something I would or go out of my way
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to order. But Tron Legacy is a flavor of ice
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: cream that I would order over and over and over again.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: And I honestly, they will probably have Tron Legacy in
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: rotation again with the things that I watch, because I
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: it's kind of it's a it's a comfort movie for
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: me in a lot of ways, like it reminds me
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: of a time and a place that is very much
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: different than now. But I but I can remember specifically
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the time and place of Tron Legacy and the world
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: that that movie came out in and the kind of
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: hope of that world. But at the same time, you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if you watch the beginning of Tron Legacy,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: there's a very cynical scene with Killey and Murphy, where
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you know, they're like, well, you know, what's the new
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: operating system that makes it different. It's like, well, nothing
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: other than it's got the number twelve attached to it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: And it's like, these are the bastards that Tron Legacy
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: warned us about, and in tront Ares, the bastards have won,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: and now we get to see the bastards fighting one
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: another because you know, yes, Greta Lee is this is
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a altruistic CEO, but she's also still the CEO of Encom,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: which is a more altruistic company than Dillinger Systems, but
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: it's still a massive company which is undoubtedly doing harm.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's hard to feel like this is
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: anything other than Tron Game of Thrones, you know, and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, you know, they had to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: write the Greteli character as the hero, and if this
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: were a story not being told by Disney, there might
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: be a little bit more nuance to the character and
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit more acknowledgment of the fact that these
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: are just two massive corporations fighting for the ability to
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: make money. They're both looking to make money. They're just
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: looking to make money in two different ways. The permanence
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: code that would allow the programs from the digital world
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: to stay in the real world for longer, if not permanently.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: It is an idea that will be exploited by either
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: side for profit. Either way, one is just a little
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: bit more unpalatable than the other, but they're still trying
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: to profit off of it. So it's you know, it's
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: very much a movie of the times, you know, tron
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Legacy is kind of a movie of hope and uprising,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of hope of the future, of a future that's hopeful
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: that you you know, we can we can shirk the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: CGI Jeff Bridges of the world and live in a
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: world where isometric you know, are isomorphic programs, you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: the the the the ones amongst us that are different
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: can live in peace and harmony with those amongst us
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: that aren't different or don't feel different. You know that
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that world is so novel now and feels a little
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: naive now in retrospect, but you know, that's what the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: world of tron Legacy. Maybe that's why I like tron
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Legacy so much, is it's a world I'd like to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: live in. I'd like to go back to twenty ten,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and try again, like Tron Legacy, does you
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: know show us that you know, even if you do
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: disappear for twenty years, you do get a second chance.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: But you know, tron areas is that is the second
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: chance that the Tron franchise gets. But it's a second
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: chance not being done. I don't know, it's just not
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: being done with the best intentions in mind. It's being done,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: you know, for less than I wouldn't say altruistic reasons,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: because anytime you make a movie, it's something unfraultristic reasons,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: but it's something done for the right reasons. If this
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: is Tron Ascension, maybe we'd be having a different conversation.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But this is tron Aris. This is Jared Leto's Tron.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: This is the movie Jared Leto wanted to make, And that,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: for me will always be the problem with tron Aris.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: That will always be the issue with a movie like
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Tron Aries is that it's not really a Tron movie
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: in the way that the last movie was, in the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: way that the last movie was a movie made by
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: people that loved Tron in the right way. I think
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Jared Letto loved the ideas of Tron, but I don't
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: think Jared Leto cares about the world of Tron the
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: way that you know, Joseph Kazinski of directing Tron Legacy does.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And you know that movie made four hundred million dollars
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: in retrospect. That was a much bigger success than tron Aris.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Tron Aris is a flop, and in a lot of ways,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: it's a massive flop, and it's a flop that's going
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: to end the Tron franchise, which you know will be
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: held against Jared Leto by Tron fans for and rightfully.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: So if you make it a point to make this
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: movie and you want to make it about yourself and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: it's not a success, you should bear that burden. I mean,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the Rock bared the burden of destroying the DC universe.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I just don't think there's a you know,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: James gunn to save Tron, because I don't think Tron
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: is an ip that people care about the same way
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that they care about d C. Because Tron is its
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: own thing, to quote David S. Pumpkins, it's very much
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: its own thing, which I think makes it a worthwhile
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: franchise to worry about, and it's a worthwhile franchise to
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: make sure exists because it is a homegrown franchise, because
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it is a franchise that comes from Stephen Lisberger and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Bonnie mcbird. Two people made this and it's just them,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: like and you know, the original movie, they waited twenty
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: five years, you know, the original movie. They waited a
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: long time to make the sequel to that movie. And
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think there will be anything after tron Aries,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: and if there will be, it will be a long time,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: and they may ignore this movie. I hope that we
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: get more after this, but this does feel like the
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: end of an era. And you know, it's weird to
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: me that the end of an era for me in
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: terms of you know, like kind of the last thing
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: from my previous life in terms of relationships big ones
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: was the one with my own dog, Nibbler, who passed away,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: came the same week that tron Ares came out, which again,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: tron Legacy is a movie that I kind of look
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: to and remember is kind of a point in time
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that was right before kind of my life changed so dramatically,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and my life has changed dramatically now in the last
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: you know, year, year and a half. So it's just
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you know, Tron and tron Legacy, you know, and tron
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: aris just feel like three movies of a very specific time,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: of a very specific place that you know, especially with
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: tron Legacy, like I'd like to live in that world again,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: just to be you know, given the opportunity to do better,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: because you know, the world of tron Legacy, at the end,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: it's all about doing better. It's all about being hopeful.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, there's a program in the real world
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and what does that mean for humanity? And we can
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you know, against our better you know, vices do better
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: because now we have you know, the perfect walking amongst us. Nope, Nope,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: tron Arias is about the violent takeover of a corporation
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: by another corporation. How twenty twenty five? Huh? And how
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I mean not how you know, just how how kind
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: of sad really that that's the real world is so reflective?
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: You know, the bastards won, you know, the Dillingers in
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the world won. And you know, I actually think it's
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: a little disappointing that tron Areas leaves us with such
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: a good cliffhanger because Evan Peters dressed up as David
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Warner's Sark from tron is a great visual, even if
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: it does seem a little out of place with the
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: rest of the visuals of the movie. But I really
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: really like the visual of Evan Peters dressed up as
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Sark and I don't think we're gonna have We're never
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: gonna get anything more of that, which is a shame
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I feel, because I feel like that's an interesting direction
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: to go. It's it's kind of amusing to me that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the gentleman who directed tron Aries Yo Kim Running was
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: also the director of another movie who has a kind
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: of hanging thread that would have been a lot more
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: interesting than the movie we get, that movie being Pirates
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: of the Caribbean, dead Men Tell No Tales, another Disney
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: movie which ends with Davy Jones coming back and Will
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Turner and and this whole kind of it's very, very
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: much the finale to the original three movies that you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: never knew you wanted but got, And then they have
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: this kind of cliffhanger at the end of the movie
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that hints at something a lot more interesting happening, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: we're not getting that because Pirates of the Caribbean is
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: being rebooted, so and we'll never get it now, and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: you know, Yo Kim Running directed that movie. Tron Aries
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: will probably never get to see Evan Peters, you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: making good as Sark, but I think it's very interesting
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: to have him going into the digital world at the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: end of the movie and becoming you know, Sark, you know,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: two point zero. So I'm I'm disappointed what tron Aris
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: is because of the Jared Leto of it all, but
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I actually like Jared Letto in it a fair bit
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: more than I ever have in anything else. It's just
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: because of Jared Letto, we're probably not getting any more
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: tron And what a shame, because there are some interesting
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: ideas in tront Aris, but I think the interesting ideas
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: of tron Legacy were more interesting. So go with those,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: follow those through lines. Make tron ascension. Don't cowtow to us,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you know, a big name celebrity just because they're a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: big name celebrity and you know, that's tron Ares, which
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: you know, it's fine, but not when it fails and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: bombs as hard as this movie has. Because this movie
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: bombed pretty hard compared even to the perception of tron Legacy,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: which didn't bomb. So you know, again, tron Ari's bombed.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Tron Legacy did not bomb. Tron Legacy is a better
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: movie than anyone remembers. So go rewatch Tron Legacy because
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Tron Legacy kind of like Prometheus deserves a rewatch because
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: it's it's more interesting questions and it's doing more interesting things.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: And you know, tron Aris and Alien Covenant have a
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: lot in common in terms of robots trying to and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: wanting to feel like real people and you know, feeling
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: like human beings and feeling like, well, you know, what
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: does it mean for a robot to have emotions or
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: not have emotions? Because you know, in Alien Covenant, it's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: all about Walter and David, and David has the emotions
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: limited in Walter, you know, you know, and then he
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: you know, Walter had emotions limited and David didn't. So
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: you know, tron Aries is about a program becoming a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: real boy. It's like all these ideas have been exploited
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: before by other people in much more interesting ways, and that,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: for me feels like the kind of the worst part
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: of tron is like it just doesn't feel like Tron
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. It feels like something else,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: and something else not as well written as those other
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: things even are. Tron Legacy had some some great cross
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: promotional stuff. It had a pinball machine, It had a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Didas merchandise that glowed in the dark. It had a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the disc, the data disc. You could buy the Blu
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: ray of the movie and it came with the data
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: disc that the Blu rays were, and it was like
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: a whole thing, like the whole The original sequel was
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: so overbranded in a way that was like, you know,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: now we get all the tron merchandising like it was.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: It was. It was a thing. Tron Legacy was a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: thing tron Aris is not, and I think that they
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: were expecting it. It was going to be, and it's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: just a shame that it wasn't, because you know, I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people that were involved with tront
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Aris tried, you know, Trent Resnor and Atticus Ross amongst them.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: You know Yokim running as well, but you know, the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Jared Letto of it all just gets in the way.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: And boy, what a shame, because yeah, for once, I'm
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: actually not complaining about Jared Leto's acting. I'm actually just
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: complaining about Jared Leto the person, which is a shame
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: because if you want to take that mantle on yourself.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: You have to be responsible for these successes and the failures.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: And this is a pretty big financial failure. And Jared Leto's,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: you know, not going to be the lead in a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: big Hollywood blockbuster for a while if ever again, no
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: matter how good he looks at fifty three. So I'm
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I'm hesitant for anything else Tron to come out because
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think it will. But if Jared Leto's involved,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Dear God help us all. So, uh, you know, end
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: of an Era, Tron, Tron Legacy, Tron Aris, Tron, putting
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: an aries, putting an end to the Tron era. So
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: we can just rewatch Tron Legacy and listen to the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: soundtrack over and over again and then and the soundtrack
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: for Tron Areas as well. It's pretty good. So it's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: very good, and especially with red headlights in the world
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: being very common, if you put it on while driving,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: it makes you feel like you're in the world of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Tron for those of you who love to listen to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: music while driving as opposed to those of you that
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: are listening to this while driving instead. So go check
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: it out because it's as good as anything is. Atticus
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Ross and Trent Reznor have done together, and they've done
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: a lot together, including well the Social Network, Girl with
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the Dragon Tattoo. I mean, they've worked with a lot
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: of people. This is you know, this is a really
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: good soundtrack. It's yeah, kind of unfortunate that the soundtrack
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: is better than the movie, because I don't think the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: soundtrack for Legacy is any better than the movie is.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I think they're both very very good. And also to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: mention one other thing, to speak to the Star Wars
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: of it all, the digitally de aged and digital Jeff
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Bridges look very good now, more so than I would
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: have remembered them looking ever, And they look better than
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of the digitally d aged you know, Grand
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Mov Tarkin, you know, Princess Leia, all those kind of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: you know, the Mark Hamill, I mean so many. I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: mean Star Wars just did over and over and over again.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: So those are the ones I need to go back
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: to in terms of points of reference. But digitally daged
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: clue slash Jeff Bridges pretty good. And also Jeff Bridges's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: voice doesn't sound like Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones as
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: clue like. He actually sounds like a younger version of himself.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: He kind of they either pitched it correctly or he
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: was doing the like a pitched up version of his voice,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like old man Jeff Bridges, which
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: in tron Areas it's very much old man Jeff Bridges
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: kind of garb his lines, so you know, and a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: little less of the dude and man of it all
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: from Tron Legacy, which I always laugh. Jeff Bridges is
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: doing the dude abides you know, dude and man. I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: know Kevin Flynn did it in Tron, but it's just
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it's funny because again, Tron comes out win, Jeff Bridges
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: is not a household name. Tron Legacy comes out when
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges being involved in the project is enough of
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: a needle mover in the mainstream pop culture to get
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: eyes on it, you know, And that's why he's in
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: drawn areas. Yeah, I mean, you know, go see tron
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Arias if you want to try to get some support
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: under the wings of Tron, under the digital wings of Tron.
• 1:06:33
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• 1:06:36
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