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New Twist in Nancy Guthrie Search as Cadaver Dogs Taken Off the Case · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  Well, what has it been, 39 days? Something like, oh, it was
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  February 37 days since the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie,
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  the 84 year old Tucson, AZ woman who is also the mother of NBC
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  Today Show Co host Savannah Guthrie.
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  There are several. Things that happened in the news
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  today and over the weekend, including the announcement that
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  cadaver dogs that had been employed were being pulled back.
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  I want to go over, you know what's happening in the case
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  and. Talk about that, the dogs and a
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  couple of other things. Stick with me.
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  This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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  only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Hello there my friend, and welcome back to another true
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  crime conversation with me, Gavin Fish, where we like to cut
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  through the fluff and sensationalism of true crime.
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  Get right into the nitty gritty. If that is what you like, I'm
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  glad you have stopped. By thank you for joining and
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  please tell me in the live stream and in the chats, where
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  are you joining me from? I love that.
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  Bonus points, brownie points if you can do it in a creative way.
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  OK. Also, thank you very, very much.
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  I just noticed Bobby Mccree, Bobby Mccrae.
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  Sorry, getting us started with the Super chat.
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  Let's see if I can get it to pop up here.
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  Thank you very much. You'll notice that there is a
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  goal on this on the YouTube side of things on Spotify and this
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  that's after the fact. But you will notice that on
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  YouTube, I have a goal today, OK.
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  And if we reach 10 super chats today, I'm going to play for you
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  my latest spoof commercial. And that spoof commercial I
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  teased a little bit in the fish tank earlier today.
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  It is for a shampoo called Lalibi.
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  Lalibi. So it's, it's a, you know what?
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  If you want to support me, which I deeply, deeply, deeply
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  appreciate, and you would like to see the spoof commercial, we
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  got to get 10 super chest tonight.
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  And I hope that we get there and I hope that you enjoy it.
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  But I'm I'm going to stick to my guns, OK?
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  I'm sticking to my guns. And we're only going to do this
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  if we reach our goal. OK, let's get into the case at
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  hand. Once again, Just as a recap,
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  Nancy Guthrie, 84 years old, mother of Savannah Guthrie.
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  On January 31st of this year, she went to her daughter's house
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  and had some family time, had some dinner, games, things like
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  that. She was dropped off back at her
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  house not too far away in the Catalina Foothills area of
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  Tucson, AZ and she was expected to be at church the following
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  day. To me it's not clear.
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  Whether it was remote or in person doesn't really matter.
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  She did not show her church members going.
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  That is completely out of character.
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  Called the family. The family checked on her.
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  She was nowhere to be seen. There were signs that there was
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  a crime scene. The police were called.
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  Police came and they believe that she has been kidnapped.
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  Now, of course, there's been quite a circus around this one.
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  And it actually, I'm actually a little deflated to know that
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  things are kind of calming down on this because I think we got
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  to. Keep.
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  This case in the forefront until there is a resolution to it.
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  And I'm really grateful to people like Brian Hinton, people
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  like Josh Ritter that spent so much time out there getting us
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  information. And tonight we're going to read
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  an article by a friend of mine, Michael Ruiz from Fox Digital,
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  who I met through the Ellen Greenberg case.
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  He is amazing and does really good reporting.
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  We're going to get into that. But anyway, according to police,
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  the family has all been cleared. There have been some ransom
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  notes. There have been some you guys
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  know, there have been communications back and forth
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  very publicly. It it's a giant question to me
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  whether or not the ransom notes were ever real to begin with.
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  I mean, who sends a ransom to TMZ of all places?
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  And we had we had my friend Jen Coffendaffer on last week,
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  former FBI agent, retired FBI agent on to talk about that a
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  little bit. You can go back and and check
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  that episode out to get her thoughts on it.
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  But yeah, the the ransom in the beginning, I was like, yeah,
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  somebody who's an amateur is asking for ransom.
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  Now all of a sudden we're not talking about ransom anymore.
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  What does this mean? Does this mean the family knows
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  that they're not going to get her back anymore?
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  So what's the point of the ransom?
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  Or does it mean that they were phony to begin with?
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  Or something else? I don't know.
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  You tell me in the in the chat. I'd love to hear your thoughts
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  on the matter. Oh, just a quick little checker,
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  Rooney. I did see Beth Beth coming in
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  with our second super chat of the day wanting to see that
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  commercial and I want to share it with you.
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  Thank you very much Beth for taking care of me that way.
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  All right, come with me if you will over to you Yiel Acrobat.
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  This again from Mike Ruiz Fox Digital published on foxnews.com
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  headline says Today show host Savannah Guthrie's missing mom
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  case shifts tactics Dateline Tucson, AZ More than five weeks
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  after the suspected abduction of Nancy Guthrie the 84 year old
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  mother of Today Co host Savannah Guthrie authorities Arizona
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  Authorities say cadaver dogs used earlier in the
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  investigation are not currently being deployed as the search
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  continues. The elder Guthrie is believed to
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  have been kidnapped from her home in the Catalina Foothills
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  in northern Tucson around 2:30 AM on February 1st.
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  While no suspects have been publicly identified and she has
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  not been found, cadaver dogs had been deployed earlier in the
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  case, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.
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  They have not been visible in weeks, quote.
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  They are available if needed in the future, close quote.
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  He told Fox News Digital. There are a number of reasons
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  not to use cadaver dogs at this stage in the investigation,
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  according to Betsy Brantner Smith, a retired police Sergeant
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  and spokeswoman for the National Police Association.
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  So here are the answers to some of my questions.
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  One would be if there's credible information that Guthrie is
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  still alive. And that is what we're hoping
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  here, right? An 84 year old woman with a
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  pacemaker history of heart problems.
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  We are maybe not jumping to conclusions is not the right way
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  to say this, but maybe maybe we are a little too fast to go to
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  go to go there that she may no longer be with us.
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  Now, of course, we're not the only ones who might feel that.
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  I mean, Savannah Guthrie posted a video to Instagram saying the
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  same kind of thing we may she may be gone from this world.
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  She may have gone to meet the Lord that she.
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  Loves, right? But.
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  Maybe one reason the cadaver dogs aren't out there, according
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  to Brantner Smith, is that she's still alive, that there's
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  credible information saying that she's still alive, Quote,
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  anything is possible, Nanos told Fox Digital Fox News Digital
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  last week, adding that he would not discuss specific leads or
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  evidence in the case. As he should not.
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  Brantner Smith, who is all who is not involved in the case,
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  said departments may hold back canine resources for several
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  reasons. Those could be that authorities
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  don't have a good idea of where to search.
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  Yeah, so maybe she is. Maybe they believe she is gone.
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  But where do we search? Where do we even begin?
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  They think she might be concealed in a place where dogs
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  would have a hard time detecting her.
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  Or they believe she's been taken to Mexico, according to Brantner
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  Smith. And now this is something that
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  we talked to Jen Coffin Deffer about, and that is one of her
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  theories that that Mexico is, is an option.
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  It's possible. And I'm not too.
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  Sure. Like, I haven't been down to the
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  Mexico border in years, and I know that it's a hot button.
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  It's a political kind of football that's been used here
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  in the United States for several years.
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  I'm not going to get into that part of it, but I would imagine
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  that those that that have experience crossing the Mexico
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  border would be able to do that. Having said that, this doesn't
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  feel like cartel related activity, right?
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  I mean, there's just so many questions, so many questions.
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  All right, getting back to the article from Mike Ruiz quote, I
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  do believe that the Sheriff's Department has much more
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  information that they are not releasing to the public, she
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  told Fox News Digital. And I'm not sure at this point
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  why that would be, unless they have a solid suspect and don't
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  want to tempt them off, tip them off.
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  That's something to think. About do police have a suspect?
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  Are they, are they just I guess getting the net ready for the
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  trap, right? Are they, are they closing in?
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  I'm mixing metaphors here, but. Do they have a suspect?
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  I I doubt that's something that they would share with us.
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  Most departments, including the Pima County Sheriff's, this is
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  not the quote. That was the end of the quote.
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  Continuing from Michael Ruiz, most departments, including the
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  Pima County Sheriff's, don't have their own cadaver dogs and
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  borrow them from state and federal authorities or
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  neighboring jurisdictions. In Guthrie's case, the Sheriff's
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  Department sought canine assistance from the local Border
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  Patrol office earlier in the investigation.
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  PCSD deferred further comment on the canines to Customs and
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  Border Protection, which did not immediately respond to a request
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  for comment. The biggest lead so far has been
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  Nest camera video showing a massed intruder on Guthrie's
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  doorstep. Of course, we have seen these
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  photos the morning of her abduction.
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  He is described as about 5 feet 9 inches to 5 feet 10 inches
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  tall and of medium build. Let me just play the videos
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  here. Here we go.
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  He was wearing a black Ozark Trail backpack and I would add
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  that it appeared to be full. He also was wearing a.
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  Pistol precariously perched. In front of his dangly bits.
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  It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen, but well, not ever
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  seen. But the weirdest gun placement
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  I've ever seen for sure. Continuing Mike's article,
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  authorities have said they won't consider the case closed until
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  they run out of viable leads to fall.
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  They won't consider the case cold until they run out of
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  viable leads to follow up on. And 10s of thousands have come
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  in so far. Savannah Guthrie has asked
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  anyone with information to dial 1800, call FBI.
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  There's a combined reward of more than 1.2 million for
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  information that leads to her mother's recovery.
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  And let's bring up another photo of Nancy.
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  Let me go over to your comments. I did see that we had couple
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  more. Let me let me just make sure
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  that I don't miss anybody's awesome super chats.
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  What have we got? Christine Meadows, thank you
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  very much for that super chat. Beth Pepper's coat says, is it
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  possible that A&T owed a lot of money to someone and they took
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  Nancy to send a message to A&T. So we're going to talk a little
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  bit about, I mean, I'm not, I'm not coming down on you, Beth,
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  but it's just reminding me. We're, we're going to talk a
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  little bit about theories that we might come up with.
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  And, and I'm perfectly happy to talk about theories and, and
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  speculate on these things. For sure.
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  I try to minimize that as much as possible, but I do it.
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  But we don't want to take anything that we discuss as
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  gospel and we talk about it online about this is definitely
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  what happened. You know what I mean?
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  I we'll get into that side of it.
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  Is it? Possible, Sure.
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  Yeah. And I would imagine that if if
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  Nancy's daughter and son-in-law referred to as A&T in this
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  comment, did owe a lot of money, then investigators would know
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  that right now. And.
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  So I guess I guess we will. We will see what happens next
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  there. Another one from Just Ducky
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  saying we are halfway there. Indeed we are.
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  We have 5 super chats so far. Let me see where.
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  Let me grab a couple more comments here and see where you
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  guys are coming in from. Marietta, GA in the house.
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  The old North state is here. San Jose is in the house.
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  Thank you very much for being here.
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  What else have we got? Hello from the eastern terminus
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  for the Pony Express and a jumping off point for the Oregon
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  Trail. It's been too long since I
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  played Oregon Trail. I know Willamette Valley is
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  where we were headed, but where did we start?
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  Was it in like Saint Louis? Was it Saint Louis?
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  I can't remember. I can't remember.
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  Indiana is in the house. Thank you for being here, Emmy.
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  Hello. Thank you for being here, man.
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  Sometimes my my system locks up. Eastern Kentucky is in the house
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  high from the motherland of Utah.
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  That is my motherland indeed. Northern California is here.
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  Texas is here. Alabama is here.
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  Ohio is here. Thank you guys near Tionesta.
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  Oh my goodness. My neck of the woods here in
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  western PA. Oh, Miss Chivo's grab dragon is
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  greetings from the home of South by Southwest.
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  Which I happen to know is Austin, TX, because I have been
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  a speaker at South by Southwest. Yes, indeed.
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  Watching from Arkansas. Thank you very much.
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  OK, South Florida's in the House.
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  Yeah. Happy Magic Island.
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  Monday. It's time for Nancy's safe
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  return. Indeed it is.
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  It very much is. And Phillip says, yeah, she may
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  be anywhere. And that is that is true.
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  Very tough. Let's see, Phillip says.
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  My theory is still. Annie owed Nancy money and
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  wanted to borrow more and Nancy said no more money.
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  I, I don't, I don't know that there's any evidence or
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  indication that that is the case, though.
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  I mean, if if anybody wanted money, I mean, I I think that
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  Savannah is the biggest target, isn't she?
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  I don't know. I don't know.
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  Thank you all for checking in from where you're from.
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  It's awesome. Massachusetts, Delaware,
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  Cleveland, Toronto Beach, Fredericksburg.
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  Thank you, guys. Thank you.
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  OK. And we and.
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  We are halfway to our goal, which is awesome.
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  Okie Dokie, The next thing I wanted to bring to you.
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  There a couple more articles that I wanted.
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  To bring, I'm not going to read all of all of them, but there
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  are a couple of couple things that I find interesting out
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  there. OK, this one from one of two
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  parade.com articles I'm going to share with you.
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  This is written by Effie Orphanidis.
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  Headline says Nancy Guthrie, update former FBI agent says one
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  detail suggests she was alive when taken.
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  And that is one of the questions that some of us have had let.
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  Let's just hop in, OK? The search for Nancy Guthrie
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  continues, blah, blah, blah. While talking to News Nation's
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  Brian Enten, a former FBI agent, Jim Clemente said that the
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  droplets of blood on Guthrie's front stoop suggest that she
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  wasn't killed before she left the property.
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  Quote it tells me. That she was.
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  Probably alive when she left the house.
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  If you saw a dragging pattern, smear patterns on the floor,
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  that would be another issue. But that's just not what we've
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  seen. We haven't heard anything about
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  that. But this blood spatter pattern
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  that appears to be from droplets, that tells me that
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  somebody was walking and bleeding, not mortally wounded.
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  close quote. Clementi said Clementi's
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  thoughts on the blood spatter may debunk the theory that
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  Guthrie had a heart attack and died after being woken up from a
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  deep sleep. I think woken up is the proper
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  way to say that. I usually say awakened, but
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  Tomato Tomato speaking about the case on March on the March 7th
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  episode of Nancy Grace's Crime Stories podcast.
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  Sleep specialist Pat Burns said that he was concerned with that
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  might have happened. If Guth, he was concerned with
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  that might have happened. That's interestingly phrased.
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  If Guthrie was woken up by the perp inside her home quote, the
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  research just shows the elderly people who even without heart
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  conditions are at a high risk of heart attacks and being
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  violently woken up from a deep sleep.
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  So that's what the scientific research shows.
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  And so you add on the fact that she has a pacemaker, which means
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  she has a heart condition, makes it worse, he said on the
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  podcast, adding that Guthrie would be at a very high risk of
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  a heart attack. Yeah, Pima County did confirm
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  that the drops of blood were from Guthrie's.
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  Or from Guthrie, the second one again from a former FBI agent.
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  This written on parade.com by Michelle Stein.
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  Suspects capture will be underwhelming, says former FBI
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  agent. I kind of hope so.
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  I hope that it's just like, hey, it's done, everybody.
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  We got it here. Here's a little press release
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  here. Here's a press conference.
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  Yeah, we got them. Ask your questions.
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  No, I can't answer that. Ask another question.
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  No, I can't answer that. And that goes on and on and on
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  and on for an hour. I hope that that's the way it
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  is. And I hope that when the suspect
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  is captured, that Nancy is found alive.
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  Let's read what Miss Stein has to say.
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  During the recent interview with Tony Breweski on the Hidden
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  Killers podcast, former FBI Special Agent Robin Drake
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  speculated about the type of person who would commit such a
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  crime. Quote.
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  When they do catch this individual, I think people are
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  going to be underwhelmed with who this is, Drake admitted, per
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  Daily Express US. As far as Drake sees it, the
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  word targeted might set up folks following the case for
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  unrealistic expectations. If the person who kidnapped
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  Nancy of the person kidnapped. Gavin Hey, Javi, can I have a
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  take two on that? Let's get let's get some.
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  Do I do I have any transition music that I could play?
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  Wanda, do you have any transition music?
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  That's not that's not like that's all you have.
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  Well, let's yeah, let's do just a little transition music.
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  OK, That that's calming me. I can slow down a little bit.
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  That was nice. Thank you very much, Wanda.
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  We need to work on maybe getting a repertoire of transition music
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  together, though. OK, let's get this back.
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  As far as Drake sees it, the word targeted might set up folks
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  following the case for unrealistic expectations of the
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  person who kidnapped Nancy. 84 quote.
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  We see this word targeted in a fictional, targeted way, he
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  explains. Everything we see in law
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  enforcement is reality. We expect different things to
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  happen because we have the grandiosity from TV shows.
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  That is the weirdest. Quote.
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  I'm stumbling over it, but I'm, I, you know, people speak
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  differently than the way we write, so.
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  OK, Drake added Quote. That's why I think we're going
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  to be underwhelmed. Targeted means a lot of
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  different things. It's a keyword.
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  It's a hot word. So.
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  Are we going to be underwhelmed? I mean, I'm, I'm not expecting
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  El Chapo to have done it for obvious reasons, but you know
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  what I mean. I don't think that what?
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  Was it in Back to the Future? Who are the bad guys in Back to
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  the Future? The Libyans?
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  I don't think the Libyans have come and have taken Nancy.
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  It's somebody who either has a beef or multiple beeves.
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  Did you guys know that the plural for the word beef is
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  beeves? It is so somebody with a beef or
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  more or somebody who wanted the money or somebody who I just
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  somebody right. I don't think it's going to be
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  the Libyans driving a Volkswagen bus firing a case 40 sevens.
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  I, I just I just don't think that that's going to be OK.
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  The next article I brought I I prepared for you guys.
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  Remember last week we talked a little bit about Internet
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  outages and files missing from Nest cameras, which is an
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  interesting take because if if somebody was technologically
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  savvy enough to to mess with the Internet connectivity of this
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  neighborhood, were they savvy enough to not leave a digital
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  footrint? And I'm sorry, I'm going to go
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  off on a little bit of a tangent here.
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  Hang on just one second. Yes, this is this is a bit of a
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  tangent, it is true. But you know when when
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  fingerrints? Were first starting to be used
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  as a way to identify suspects. The criminals, you know, change
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  tactics. They started wearing gloves
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  right when DNA was first starting to be used, which
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  wasn't all that long ago. But when genetic genealogy and
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  DNA and stuff like that started to be used, well, smart
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  criminals started to take precautions to keep from leaving
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  DNA evidence, right? I won't get into the graphic
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  details of that, but it is, it is the case.
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  Now we have this new frontier forensic technology, which is
• 23:55
  the digital forensics. And of course, you know, there
• 24:01
  there are people that have tried to get away with it, people like
• 24:04
  Brian Koburger, right, who tried to get away with not having his
• 24:09
  cell phone on him, which of course was used against him as
• 24:12
  evidence of premeditation, consciousness of guilt and so
• 24:16
  forth, right? But I do think that criminals
• 24:20
  are going to get more and more evolved about this.
• 24:28
  And, and it's we're going, we're going to see, we're going to see
• 24:32
  an evolution. Let's just put it that way.
• 24:34
  OK, Now it. If.
• 24:37
  It is the case that this utility box was messed with in order to
• 24:45
  cause an Internet outage in order to make it so that home
• 24:51
  security systems weren't recording.
• 24:54
  Well, that's, that's interesting and it tells, tells us something
• 24:58
  about the the perpetrators here, right.
• 25:02
  So I I found this very interesting indeed.
• 25:07
  OK Kate Murphy yahoo.com damage utility box under investigation
• 25:11
  for possible link to Internet outage when she disappeared.
• 25:14
  And by the way, Dang it guys, I know some of you are going to
• 25:19
  say it's too many tangents. But I got another one going back
• 25:26
  to the old school tangent, yeah. There is something to be said
• 25:32
  about having a security system that doesn't just backup to the
• 25:36
  cloud, doesn't just go to a service like Nest or Ring that
• 25:41
  requires some sort of Internet connectivity.
• 25:44
  Now I'm I'm, I don't know the products.
• 25:46
  Well, they may. Nest and Ring may have some sort
• 25:49
  of like backup if there's an Internet outage or whatever, but
• 25:54
  there's something to be said about having a good old
• 25:56
  fashioned DVR. Right and modern ones will
• 26:00
  record lots of data in stunning 4 and 8 and 2K and in color at
• 26:06
  night. So get this is not a transition
• 26:09
  into sponsored content, though it should be Get yourself a good
• 26:14
  security system. OK, getting back over here.
• 26:19
  All right, we've read the title twice.
• 26:21
  Gavin, move on. This again from Kate Murphy
• 26:23
  published on yahoo.com. And I believe I've put the.
• 26:27
  Links to these articles in the description I I have started
• 26:30
  doing that. The Pima County Sheriff's
• 26:32
  Department is investigating A damaged utility box around the
• 26:36
  corner from Nancy Guthrie's home.
• 26:39
  And as the desperate search for Today Co host Savannah Guthrie's
• 26:43
  mother continues in its second month, investigators believe it
• 26:47
  could be connected to a reported Internet outage that occurred
• 26:51
  around the time she disappeared in the early morning hours of
• 26:54
  February 6th, which disrupted nearby home surveillance
• 26:58
  cameras. Savannah Guthrie reunited with
• 27:01
  her Co workers. Blah, blah blah blah blah, blah
• 27:03
  blah. They, it just talks a little bit
• 27:06
  about that. We, I don't know that I'm going
• 27:08
  to get into that. Savannah Guthrie did go back to
• 27:11
  the Today show. And I, I don't think that she's
• 27:13
  come on yet, but she's, it looks like there's this transition to
• 27:20
  normalcy. And that might be an.
• 27:21
  Maybe I should read that because that might be an indication.
• 27:24
  Of what's happening with her mother's case Savannah Guthrie
• 27:27
  reunited with her coworkers at the Today studio in New York
• 27:30
  City last Thursday she thanked her colleagues for their
• 27:32
  support, shared hugs with her Co anchors and expressed her
• 27:35
  interest in returning to. The show, when the time was
• 27:38
  right, quote, I think her coming here, just being able to be with
• 27:43
  us and for us to be able to hug her, I think it's a step today,
• 27:46
  host Chanel Jones told the audience.
• 27:49
  I don't know what's ahead of us, but all we know is it is a step.
• 27:54
  Haven't been significant breakthroughs, but there's more
• 27:57
  than There's now $1.2 million in combined rewards being offered
• 28:02
  for information leading to Nancy Guthrie's recovery.
• 28:05
  So yeah, this Internet. Outage guys we should all have a
• 28:09
  way that we have local backups for our for our security systems
• 28:17
  OK let's go over to the live chat here real quick because I.
• 28:20
  Did see, I did see another super chat.
• 28:26
  We're going to allow it. the Super sticker.
• 28:28
  Thank you very much, Sandra. Thank you very much.
• 28:30
  We're at six. We're at six that we are so
• 28:34
  close and and we're only halfway through.
• 28:37
  We're only halfway through. So this is good.
• 28:39
  This is good. Let's see, Philip Carter, you
• 28:45
  don't buy a $650,000 house on a teacher salary.
• 28:48
  Go figure. Au contraire.
• 28:52
  Oh contraire, Philip. Yeah, you do in many places.
• 28:59
  I. I.
• 29:01
  Yeah, you do in many places. I, I, you know, and this is just
• 29:06
  me being a professional Quibbler, I don't, I have.
• 29:09
  Don't I have like, yeah, I am a professional Quibbler I.
• 29:15
  Love to quibble I do. I love to quibble for.
• 29:19
  Fun. Yeah, in many parts of the
• 29:22
  country, there we go. In many parts of the country
• 29:28
  $650,000 house is just a house. And and I know that in many
• 29:35
  parts of the country teachers are underpaid and in many parts
• 29:39
  of the country they are paid well.
• 29:40
  So I don't know. I'm I'm.
• 29:42
  Quibbling. I'm quibbling here.
• 29:45
  Came out on the comments. What do we have?
• 29:49
  St. Joseph, MO's in the house?
• 29:53
  Let's see, Rhonda. Big hugs to you.
• 29:59
  Thank you very much. Miss Chivo's Dragon says yeah.
• 30:03
  Now we all need to harden the security around our incoming
• 30:05
  Internet. Learning so much from this case.
• 30:08
  I did bring in my hide A key from the yard.
• 30:10
  Good. Yeah, if you have a key under
• 30:12
  the mat, maybe take, maybe bring that in.
• 30:16
  That's smart. Ohio paw.
• 30:18
  Mom, are you still thinking about going over different
• 30:20
  security camera options? I I need to do that.
• 30:23
  And I've got I've got a security expert that is willing to come
• 30:27
  on. I need to get back to her.
• 30:28
  Dang it. I have dropped the ball on that.
• 30:31
  Sorry about that, guys. Just Ducky, if she's still
• 30:35
  alive. Do you think Savannah going back
• 30:37
  to her work trigger the kidnappers one way or another?
• 30:43
  To me, her going Savannah going back to work is more of an
• 30:46
  indication that that she believes that her mother is no
• 30:52
  longer on this in this mortal. Coil that, but what do I know,
• 30:57
  right? That's just me reading between
• 30:59
  the lines. I I don't know.
• 31:02
  Yeah. So greetings from 999 + 1 Oaks,
• 31:10
  California. Nice, nice.
• 31:13
  Beth Pepper says we do need a few more super chats.
• 31:16
  We we've got, we've got about 1/2 an hour to go, got about 1/2
• 31:20
  an hour to go. And thank you guys for your
• 31:22
  support. I deeply and I want to show you
• 31:24
  I want to show you what I've been working on.
• 31:26
  It's it's a terrific spot. Actually.
• 31:29
  Let's pause here for a second and let me just show you what I
• 31:34
  have done in the past. For those of you who are new,
• 31:37
  let me just show you one that I've done in the past, OK?
• 31:40
  We're gonna let's do Kluevelta. Are you constantly narrating
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  not to be serial killers, starting in a knitting club and
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  accidentally saw the local crimes anyway, hallucinations of
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• 32:57
  OK, so this is what this is the kind of thing that we're talking
• 32:59
  about. OK, now I now I think that I've
• 33:02
  done bet a better job on this next one.
• 33:05
  But we shall see. We shall see if.
• 33:08
  If it can be. Played or not?
• 33:10
  All right, let's go over to the very last article that I have
• 33:17
  for you guys on this case that I that I think is that I that I
• 33:22
  think that we should be aware of from KVOA dot com local looks
• 33:30
  like NBC affiliate written by both Marissa Orr and Marissa
• 33:35
  Orr. I'm not sure why it has both her
• 33:38
  name twice there, but day 37 of Nancy Guthrie case investigators
• 33:43
  continue to follow up on leads and tips Dateline Tucson.
• 33:49
  It is day 37 of the search for Nancy Guthrie, who disappeared
• 33:53
  from her home in the Catalina foothills in February.
• 33:56
  Investigators continue to follow and develop tips and leads in
• 34:00
  the case. On March 8th, a spokesperson
• 34:04
  from the Pima County Sheriff's Department confirmed to News for
• 34:07
  Tucson that investigators are aware of the damaged utility
• 34:11
  located around the corner from Guthrie's home.
• 34:13
  Quote. It is being reviewed as part of
• 34:16
  the ongoing investigation, the spokesperson said, continuing
• 34:21
  the quote. At this time, we do not have any
• 34:23
  more information to release. Close quote Last week, FBI
• 34:29
  agents and PCSD were seen going to several homes in Guthrie's
• 34:33
  neighborhood to follow up on leads.
• 34:35
  According to NBC News, investigators asked the
• 34:38
  neighbors if they experienced any Internet issues the night
• 34:42
  the 84 year old disappeared. Homeowners told NBC News that
• 34:46
  investigators mentioned several homes in the area had
• 34:49
  experienced glitches the night Guthrie disappeared.
• 34:54
  Could this be coincidental? I guess it could be, right?
• 34:57
  This is Gavin speaking, not the article, but be a heck of a
• 35:01
  coincidence unless it happens all the time out there.
• 35:04
  Continuing on from Marissa and Marissa, NBC News asked Pima
• 35:09
  County Sheriff Chris Nanos if the suspect may have had a Wi-Fi
• 35:14
  jammer with him. Quote, I've not looked at that
• 35:16
  closely, but yeah, I know that my team has looked at it with
• 35:19
  the FBI. Every angle.
• 35:22
  Nanos said United Cajun Navy, a Louisiana based nonprofit, is
• 35:27
  offering to assist in the search for Guthrie.
• 35:30
  The nonprofit has submitted a more than 40 page plan to.
• 35:34
  PCSD last week but said they have not received a response.
• 35:39
  OK, I I mean, that's cool, but I imagine that.
• 35:46
  That police and FBI really just want everybody to stay clear the
• 35:49
  area. It's, it's awesome and I don't
• 35:53
  want to like Pooh Pooh, this United Cajun Navy at all.
• 35:58
  It's awesome that you want to help.
• 36:01
  And I should say it's awesome that you're going through the
• 36:05
  PCSD, right, instead of just going out there and helping
• 36:09
  because often times that's just not helpful.
• 36:11
  So good on you. As the search for Nancy enters
• 36:15
  Day 34, PCSD continues to ask homeowners in the surrounding
• 36:18
  community to submit relevant footage in relation to the case.
• 36:22
  The video footage can be submitted through a PCSD link.
• 36:26
  I haven't looked at that link. Let's just go to
• 36:28
  itrealquick0itsanevidence.com link.
• 36:32
  I'll bring this up for you to see.
• 36:34
  Just you can submit evidence very easily, which is pretty
• 36:39
  darn cool. The investigation remains active
• 36:44
  as detectives pursue every lead. More than $1,000,000 in reward
• 36:47
  money is on the table. That includes $102,500 from 88
• 36:53
  Crime, $100,000 from 1800 call FBI and $1 million from the
• 36:59
  Guthrie family. And no press conferences are.
• 37:02
  Scheduled at this time. Very well, let's let's, let's
• 37:10
  bring up a photo of our victim here again.
• 37:12
  I, I, I, I'm just not sure how to feel about this, right?
• 37:16
  Just just not sure how to feel. The I I just want so bad for
• 37:24
  Nancy Guthrie to be found and to be brought home safely.
• 37:29
  I I think that as time passes and as we see things like
• 37:36
  Savannah Guthrie returning to work, I think the chances are
• 37:40
  falling. I talked with a missing persons
• 37:45
  expert on background, so I'm allowed to talk about it, but I,
• 37:49
  I can't tell you who this was, but on background, I talked to a
• 37:53
  missing persons expert who said that they put the chances of
• 37:59
  Nancy Guthrie being alive at less than 1%, which I'm sure the
• 38:05
  Guthrie family are hearing from, from law enforcement.
• 38:10
  Really, really tough. OK, going over to your comments
• 38:15
  once again. Let's see, Sandra, are you there
• 38:19
  yet? Oh, that I think, I think you're
• 38:21
  #7 Sandra, thank you very much for doing that.
• 38:23
  Number 8 came in from Ohio Palm mom saying thank you for your
• 38:27
  coverage. Bobby McRae says it was Saint
• 38:30
  Joseph. That's where the Pony Express
• 38:33
  launch is. Very cool, Very, very cool.
• 38:37
  All right. So that's what we have in terms
• 38:39
  of what is. Going on in the Nancy Guthrie
• 38:42
  case. But don't despair, don't
• 38:45
  despair. We still have a couple more
• 38:49
  segments left. I think what we're going to do
• 38:52
  next. Is three questions.
• 38:59
  Let's hop into three questions. Here we go.
• 39:08
  OK guys, in three question segment, I answer three of your
• 39:12
  questions that come in. You can send them into three
• 39:14
  questions at gavinfish.com. Three questions at
• 39:17
  gavinfish.com. It's spelled out THREE questions
• 39:20
  at gavinfish.com and I endeavor my darndest to answer your
• 39:24
  questions completely honestly on the record.
• 39:27
  The only thing that I do say is I get to choose the order in
• 39:32
  which I answer them. So there is that.
• 39:36
  And this question, this first question came in a little while
• 39:40
  ago, so it's probably not fair that I'm but I but I do have to
• 39:44
  answer It's from Zoe and it's apropos of this one.
• 39:47
  Oh, I think we just got our 9th super chat in from Garth B Nutt.
• 39:52
  Let let me check, let's check for the record.
• 39:56
  Indeed, indeed, Garth B Nutt is Oh, I pushed the wrong button,
• 40:01
  Gavin pushing wrong buttons. Javi, I should leave the button
• 40:04
  pushing to you. So Garth B Nutt, you are #9.
• 40:10
  Are we going to get there? I hope so.
• 40:12
  I really hope so. OK for the the question is for
• 40:16
  the Nancy kidnapping, who do you think took her?
• 40:18
  I know some people have said that the one band member did it,
• 40:22
  not the one with the Thinker beard, but the other one.
• 40:26
  I am going to withhold my speculation on that.
• 40:30
  I, I, I, I know this is answering your question, I just
• 40:34
  don't know and I don't think anything.
• 40:38
  I'm just going to continue to, to just follow the case and Oh
• 40:46
  my goodness, guys, look what just happened.
• 40:49
  Look what just happened. That is super chat #10 from Zoli
• 40:54
  G. We're we're going to do it.
• 40:57
  We're going to do it. All right, That, that that makes
• 40:59
  me happy. We're going to do the spoof
• 41:01
  commercial, but we're going to do it at the end.
• 41:04
  OK, So hang out until the end of the show and then we will.
• 41:08
  Thank you and thank you. Oh my goodness, guys, thank you
• 41:11
  so much for supporting me. Lately the channel that like my
• 41:17
  what they call the RPM, the revenue per 1000 views has gone
• 41:22
  way. Down and it's it's made it
• 41:25
  really, really hard for me to to do to do the show right.
• 41:31
  So I'm so so so grateful that you guys are taking care of me
• 41:36
  and here comes one more. Thank you very much Bobby McCray
• 41:40
  for that super chat as well. OK, getting back to our
• 41:44
  questions, here we go. Question number 2 is from
• 41:52
  Debbie. Do you like to eat grilled
• 41:55
  cheese sandwich, Debbie? There is not a person in this
• 42:01
  world who loves grilled cheese sandwiches more than this guy
• 42:07
  right here. I love grilled cheese
• 42:11
  sandwiches. I specifically love them with
• 42:14
  sourdough and with. Real butter and do you guys
• 42:19
  remember the snack master? It was a kitchen gadget that
• 42:24
  would like it would like make a grilled cheese pocket kind of a
• 42:29
  thing. I was one of the first buyers of
• 42:31
  that device back in the day. I love grilled cheese sandwich
• 42:36
  now, she continues. If yes, Debbie, the answer is
• 42:41
  yes. So let's continue.
• 42:43
  Have you ever put pickle slices on one before?
• 42:47
  Trust me, you will never eat them plain again.
• 42:50
  Debbie, I am so grateful that you are sharing this little
• 42:54
  Pearl of wisdom with my channel. To answer your question, yeah, I
• 43:01
  have. Yes, I have.
• 43:03
  And my favorites are the Clawson.
• 43:08
  They're the ones that you find in the in the refrigerator
• 43:10
  section. They're the they're the Clawson
• 43:12
  slices. They're extremely crispy.
• 43:16
  They're extremely tart and dilly, and the cheese that I
• 43:21
  choose to go with the Clossen pickle in my grilled cheese
• 43:25
  sandwich is the humble provolone.
• 43:28
  I don't care if it's smoked or not, in fact, I prefer if it is
• 43:31
  not smoked. But that is a delicious
• 43:36
  delicious. Sandwich In fact, it is also the
• 43:39
  official travel sandwich the the official non grilled travel
• 43:43
  sandwich of the Gavin and Kimberly Fish family established
• 43:47
  1999. What we do on travel, on trips,
• 43:50
  as we get like big pieces of French bread where you can just
• 43:54
  pull off a hunk of French bread, open it up, put in the provolone
• 43:57
  cheese, put in the clothes and pickle and nom, nom, nom as.
• 44:00
  You drive along. So guys, if you have not tried
• 44:03
  this, you must try it. It is.
• 44:06
  It is. It's it's like if you haven't
• 44:09
  had peanut butter and bananas, you're missing out.
• 44:14
  Bonus points if you do peanut butter, bananas, and Lay's
• 44:17
  plain. Potato chips best ever.
• 44:19
  OK, now I'm not partaking right now because I was once fat Gavin
• 44:24
  and I'm on my way to fit Gavin. But I will again, believe me
• 44:29
  when when my calorie budget allows it, I definitely will.
• 44:32
  And. I would love to hear in live
• 44:35
  chat and in the comments your little pearls of Epicurean
• 44:40
  wisdom like Debbie's with the grilled cheese and pickle
• 44:43
  sandwiches because they are delicious.
• 44:45
  All right, last question of the day is from Melody.
• 44:49
  I loved seeing your music room. Does your wife or do your
• 44:52
  children play any instruments? The answer to your question
• 44:57
  Melody. Is that all of?
• 44:59
  US. All seven of us and now 8.
• 45:03
  No, it didn't happen recently. It's been like 2 years that our
• 45:06
  daughter has been married, but our eight children not we don't
• 45:11
  have eight children. Gavin Hobby, can I get a take
• 45:13
  two? We have five children plus one.
• 45:16
  So we have six children. I, I didn't do that right.
• 45:20
  We have six children are all musically inclined.
• 45:25
  I would say that we are mostly just kind of noodlers.
• 45:29
  But we have a couple of daughters that are beautiful
• 45:32
  vocalists. We have a daughter who is a
• 45:35
  trumpeter. We have a son who is a
• 45:37
  saxophonist. We have a daughter who is a
• 45:39
  flautist. We have a daughter who's a
• 45:41
  pianist. We have a son-in-law who's a
• 45:42
  pianist. We have a son who's a guitarist.
• 45:45
  We have a music room because we love music and we love to play
• 45:49
  instruments. Kimberly is a pianist.
• 45:51
  I would. She's definitely way better than
• 45:55
  I have ever been. But anyway, in fact, just this
• 45:59
  very day, Kimberly sat at the piano to play Cruella de Ville
• 46:06
  for one of our beloved neighborhood children.
• 46:10
  So, yes, and if you would like to see a picture of our music
• 46:15
  room, we have it in the fish tank, which is where we hang out
• 46:20
  on Facebook. The fish tank I think I showed
• 46:24
  you. Guys earlier but this is what
• 46:25
  the fish tank looks like. If you're on Facebook, you're
• 46:29
  cordially invited to join us there.
• 46:34
  It's, it's probably buried at this point, but if you scroll
• 46:37
  through, you will find it. It's in there.
• 46:40
  It's definitely in there. You will see our music room
• 46:43
  might be one of the more recent one or one of the early ones,
• 46:48
  right? But anyway.
• 46:49
  You got you guys do it. If you want to, if you want to
• 46:51
  see that and thank you very much.
• 46:53
  For. That question, I appreciate that
• 46:57
  melody and I love that your name is apropos of the question.
• 47:01
  That is delightful. Now while you guys are putting
• 47:04
  into the live chat your delicious foodie things that we
• 47:10
  should all try and tell me and tell me about musical
• 47:14
  instruments that you play if you play the lute.
• 47:17
  I want to know if you play the. What's it called?
• 47:21
  The hurdy gurdy? I would love that.
• 47:23
  I would love to know what kind of fun instruments you guys
• 47:26
  play. And while you are telling me
• 47:28
  that in the live chat, let's go through some headlines.
• 47:30
  Real quick, True. Prime.
• 47:38
  Headlines Okie the dokey this one.
• 47:43
  I've. Just been keeping wrong button.
• 47:45
  Gavin Javi needs to be our professional button pusher.
• 47:50
  This one just kind of jumped out at me and it's been reported in
• 47:53
  a couple places. Conan O'Brien did a an interview
• 47:56
  in anticipation of him hosting the Oscars and and he briefly
• 48:02
  brought up the murder of Robin Michelle Reiner.
• 48:06
  I thought that we should talk about this.
• 48:08
  Written by Riley Cardoza for page 6.
• 48:12
  Headline says Conan O'Brien makes rare comment about party
• 48:16
  Rob Michelle Reiner attended before murders Conan O'Brien
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  spoke about being dragged into the scandal surrounding Rob
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  Reiner and Michelle Reiner's murders in a new interview.
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  By the way, I know that Conan O'Brien is a comedian, but I
• 48:32
  think that he's displayed absolute class here.
• 48:35
  The comedian acknowledged to The Hollywood Reporter on Monday
• 48:38
  that the late couple were slain hours after attending his
• 48:41
  Christmas bash with son Nick, who has been accused of
• 48:45
  murdering the duo. Quote very simply.
• 48:47
  We had a party, we invited, we invited our really good friends,
• 48:51
  and then the next day this terrible thing happened, O'Brien
• 48:55
  told the outlet, continuing the quote.
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  Whatever difficulties my wife and I have experienced having
• 49:00
  our name attached to it are nothing compared to the scale of
• 49:04
  the tragedy for the family and the loss of Robin Michelle, he
• 49:09
  continued, The former Conan host noted quote.
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  If you are a known person, your name is going to get dragged
• 49:14
  into things sometimes. However, he clarified, quote, it
• 49:19
  is not a hardship. There's only sadness that
• 49:22
  they're gone. The the Emmy winner previously
• 49:26
  broke his silence on the awful scandal in February to The New
• 49:29
  Yorker, which we covered in on this very program.
• 49:33
  Conan O'Brien continuing to show a class and and you know,
• 49:41
  temperance in his commentary as we, as we seek to temper our
• 49:49
  commentary on the case as well with humanity and with
• 49:51
  compassion. OK then, this one caught my eye
• 49:56
  from NBC. Fouri.com the NBC4 Investigates
• 50:00
  team in Cleveland Written by Ava Boldisar This was written last
• 50:06
  week, but I I. Find this very important as a
• 50:10
  reminder to all of us who are true crime fans and aficionados
• 50:15
  to remember the toll on the victims and the family members
• 50:20
  of victims by our hobby. OK Tepi family member on the
• 50:26
  toll of being the suspect of online speculation.
• 50:29
  Dateline, Columbus, OH in the days after Spencer and Monique.
• 50:35
  Tepi were killed in their Columbus home.
• 50:37
  Their family was left grieving and enduring a wave on of online
• 50:41
  speculation and accusations. Spencer, 37, and Monique, 39,
• 50:47
  were found shot to death in their home in their Weinland
• 50:50
  Park neighborhood on December 30th.
• 50:51
  Their two young children, ages one and four, were found
• 50:54
  physically unharmed in the house.
• 50:55
  And boy am I glad that they put in physically because they were
• 50:58
  harmed. A quote.
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  It's been just life altering, said Rob Misle, Spencer's
• 51:05
  brother-in-law. The day we got the calls, you
• 51:07
  could feel this massive wait just kind of pressing down on us
• 51:11
  and it's like everything is going to change.
• 51:13
  We're never going to see them again.
• 51:15
  Close quote. The case of a dentist and his
• 51:18
  wife being killed while at home with their children quickly drew
• 51:20
  national headlines, online discussion, and the attention of
• 51:24
  true crime content creators like this.
• 51:26
  Like yours truly, like this channel.
• 51:29
  Monique's ex-husband Michael McKee was charged with her and
• 51:32
  her husband's murders on January 10th.
• 51:35
  But in the approximately 11 days without an arrest, a flood of
• 51:38
  social media users threw out their own theories, dug into the
• 51:41
  couple's lives, and accused multiple people in their orbit
• 51:44
  of being involved. That is the crux of this, right?
• 51:48
  We should not be levying accusations.
• 51:51
  We shouldn't be doing that, dealing with all that.
• 51:56
  This is a quote from Misle. Dealing with all that as we're
• 51:59
  going through planning the funeral, figuring out what to do
• 52:01
  with the house and where the kids are going to be and who's
• 52:04
  going to keep the dog and all of these things that were just
• 52:07
  flung on on to us in a second, it was tough, Misle said.
• 52:12
  My mental health took a toll. I wasn't sleeping very much.
• 52:16
  I wasn't eating very much. A true crime content creator was
• 52:19
  one of multiple individuals to insinuate Misle was involved in
• 52:23
  the killings on the Internet. Misle said his friends and
• 52:26
  family members came to his defense and got.
• 52:28
  Attacked by online users. This is the the key and I know
• 52:33
  that on this channel, we are not we're not guilty of this.
• 52:37
  We just I, I just want to make sure that we, that we keep the
• 52:41
  reminder, OK, quote, your speculation turns into other
• 52:45
  people's facts. And it's like you're lightning,
• 52:48
  you're lighting a torch. Now the mob is joining you.
• 52:52
  As they said, these people who, again, we're not there from the
• 52:55
  beginning, have very limited information on anybody involved,
• 52:59
  are now just saying these things, whether they believe it
• 53:01
  or they're doing it for clicks and likes.
• 53:04
  And that's where I will stop on this because I think we get the
• 53:08
  point right. We do not want to be guilty of
• 53:12
  just putting out accusations. With very little information
• 53:17
  that that other people who just you know, the Internet, the
• 53:21
  Internet. I don't know about the Internet
• 53:25
  sometimes, right. I sometimes think we could.
• 53:27
  We should go back to. A pre Internet time, but just by
• 53:31
  putting a theory out there to someone, pointing the finger at
• 53:35
  somebody else could turn into like a fact to somebody else.
• 53:40
  So we've got to be. Very, very careful.
• 53:42
  And I just thought that we should take this as a reminder
• 53:45
  again, to be compassionate, to act with humanity, to temper our
• 53:51
  commentary with those two things as was asked of us by the Reiner
• 53:56
  family. And those, my friends, are your.
• 53:59
  Headlines true crime. Headlines.
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  Okey Dokey, let's just get some comments before we get to the
• 54:13
  latest commercial. We've, I can't remember if I
• 54:16
  showed this one yet or not, but thank you very much to Werewolf
• 54:20
  279 for the for the extra super chat.
• 54:23
  Thank you to Deb Schaaler for the extra super chat.
• 54:27
  Deeply appreciate that. Thank you to Hughes for the
• 54:30
  Super chat. Thank you so much.
• 54:32
  You guys are taking care of me. My goodness and do I appreciate
• 54:39
  it. And Garth Bennett says you are
• 54:41
  worth it all. Thank you very much.
• 54:43
  I am. Worth it.
• 54:45
  That makes me feel good. Thanks, Garth.
• 54:47
  Couple of comments here. Mooney says peanut M&M's mixed
• 54:51
  with hot Peppers in the oil is a true masterpiece you get out of
• 54:55
  town. Really M&M peanut M&M's?
• 54:59
  Well, peanuts with with spicy sauce are delicious, like Kung
• 55:04
  Pao chicken or kung Pao tofu. So yeah, I get it.
• 55:08
  Peanut M&M's mixed with hot Peppers.
• 55:10
  I'm totally in. Totally in.
• 55:13
  Elizabeth McMaster. Mcmasters.
• 55:17
  Or is it McMaster Esquire? There we go, Gavin.
• 55:19
  Back in the day I played the flute and tenor saxophone.
• 55:22
  I was much better on the sax. I tried the violin but didn't
• 55:24
  get too far. That's pretty cool.
• 55:26
  Pretty cool, Robin says. Lightly toasted white bread, A
• 55:31
  slice of American cheese, Mustard crumbled.
• 55:34
  Up green olives. So tasty.
• 55:37
  Very nice, you guys, Autumn says.
• 55:40
  Fried Spam and mustard sandwich. You know, that one feels like a
• 55:46
  maybe a what do they call what is the term when a guilty
• 55:50
  pleasure? I don't think that I've ever
• 55:54
  admitted out loud to anybody that I have enjoyed Spam, but
• 55:58
  indeed, in my childhood I was fed Spam and corned beef all the
• 56:03
  time and loved this stuff. So fried spam and mustard
• 56:07
  sandwich Bobby saying dairy allergy here.
• 56:12
  Dang it, Dang it. I am so sorry.
• 56:16
  So sorry that you don't get to enjoy that.
• 56:18
  That's a bummer. Any other comments?
• 56:21
  Nothing, nothing. The.
• 56:24
  Oh, wait a minute, one more Liz Forte's Gavin, did you see JLR
• 56:31
  comparing Tomaso's walk with the porch guy?
• 56:33
  His walking gait was exactly the same with unusual.
• 56:37
  Turning inward of his foot in the landing stride.
• 56:40
  Yeah, I just feel like if Tomaso were involved, he would have
• 56:44
  been arrested by now and and the police wouldn't have said he's
• 56:49
  in the clear. I know that.
• 56:53
  There are a lot of you who like JLRII am dubious.
• 56:57
  I'm jealous for sure. Jealous.
• 57:00
  That dude is like printing money out there.
• 57:05
  But but I'm dubious and skeptical of of JLR, so I know I
• 57:12
  haven't seen that. Thank you very much for that for
• 57:15
  that last comment to come in now, guys, without further ado,
• 57:20
  shall we shall we play this parody?
• 57:25
  It's not really a parody. It's more of a spoof.
• 57:29
  All right, here we go. And let me just say one more
• 57:34
  thing. Thank you you guys.
• 57:37
  Have been amazing. I appreciate you're amazing
• 57:39
  every day. You've been especially amazing
• 57:41
  today. Thanks for taking care of me.
• 57:43
  Here is the commercial for Lollibi.
• 57:47
  Here we go. When you investigate crime, you
• 57:50
  learn something important. Every strand tells a story.
• 57:55
  Some stories fall apart under pressure.
• 57:58
  But great hair. Great hair holds up under
• 58:02
  questioning. That's why I trust Lollibi,
• 58:07
  because great hair never pleads the 5th lullaby when the
• 58:13
  evidence is in your favor. It is.
• 58:23
  There. It is.
• 58:23
  What do you think? It was a short 1 little I I
• 58:26
  thought a 32nd spot was appropriate for being ATV
• 58:29
  commercial. But yeah, should we, should we
• 58:32
  do it one more time? Let's do it one more time.
• 58:35
  Here we go. When you investigate crime, you
• 58:38
  learn something important. Every strand tells a story.
• 58:43
  Some stories fall apart under pressure, But great hair, Great
• 58:49
  hair holds up under questioning. That's why I trust Lollibi.
• 58:55
  Because great hair never pleads the 5th Lollibi when the
• 59:02
  evidence is in your favor. My wife laughed so hard.
• 59:09
  Mama Bear, says Gavin. Your voice.
• 59:12
  Is so soothing that you should consider doing a true Crime
• 59:15
  Story for the. Calm.
• 59:17
  App. Maybe I should?
• 59:20
  Maybe I should? Deb.
• 59:22
  With another super chat saying love you all, we love you Deb,
• 59:25
  thank you very much. Black Widow says OMG love it.
• 59:30
  Beth Pepper's coat says gorgeous.
• 59:33
  We got a laugh out loud from Nancy.
• 59:35
  Ha ha ha. From Black Widower.
• 59:38
  Beautiful, Brilliant. Love it.
• 59:41
  And Autumn loves the goofy ads I do.
• 59:45
  So does Christine. The side part.
• 59:49
  Yeah, it looks good. Doesn't.
• 59:50
  It looks good, I should wear my hair.
• 59:54
  That way tomorrow I you. Know what Black Widow needs?
• 59:58
  Needs some lollipop. You know what my wife did
• 1:00:03
  yesterday? She was playing with my hair and
• 1:00:07
  ended up doing an amazing like up sweep.
• 1:00:14
  Like. Like an old school.
• 1:00:16
  Up sweep I have pictures of maybe I should put that in the
• 1:00:19
  in the in the tank. So if you guys are.
• 1:00:23
  Not in. The fish tank and you would like
• 1:00:25
  to see the old gavinator with his hair up in a beautiful updo
• 1:00:33
  thanks to Lolliby. I mean, my hair is silky smooth.
• 1:00:37
  It's just, it's got all the bounce you want it, it like, oh,
• 1:00:41
  it's just amazing. And it, it all is from Lollibi
• 1:00:44
  shampoo. I will put those pictures in the
• 1:00:47
  tank. If you're on Facebook, you are
• 1:00:50
  cordially invited to come join us there.
• 1:00:52
  Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking care of me today.
• 1:00:57
  I really appreciate it those those super chats.
• 1:00:59
  The Super stickers have become so important in making it
• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:06
  There are other ways that you can support me and my team on my
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  Please go to the NC. Let's see.
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