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- speaker-0: What's up guys? Welcome to our podcast. speaker-1: She finally realized that it was Welcome back everyone. hello, Anya. speaker-0: Hello, Peyton. speaker-1: We ⁓ we had yeah, it was great. It was great. You know, we got a lot of love on on Instagram this week with our last episode with Alex. I'm I'm loving it, guys. Thanks so much for that. we had lots of fun with him as usual. this week we've got the French Open going on. So that's gonna be really fun to watch. It's already started today. Who do you who do you have, Anya? Who who do you have taken it all? speaker-0: ⁓ I mean on the men's side I think, you know, I'd bet my entire life savings on center. Yep. I think it's a pretty good bet. Women's side is wide open. I think it could be a lot of people. So I'm curious to see who who runs through. ⁓ there's a lot of people playing well and yeah, it it'll be exciting to watch. speaker-1: Pretty solidified. Pretty solidify. Yeah. Someone said the only way that Sinner wouldn't win is one if he has like food poisoning, or two, it just somehow becomes like astronomically hot outside and right just like crumbles. speaker-0: Right. Or like if he gets like an injury, like rolls an ankle or something, but even then he's Knock on wood. Knock on wood. Obviously not hoping that happens. ⁓ there's been a lot of chatter about how the the Grand Slams within tennis, ⁓ the the the proportion of like revenue that the players get as prize money is something that the players are not very happy with. ⁓ So, like for comparison, the ATP and the WTA tours, which do not put on the Grand Slams, like to be clear, the Grand Slams, the Australian Open, US Open, French Open, and Wimbledon are separate from the ATP and WTA tours. The ATP and WTA tours give the players 22% of revenue as the prize money. At the Grand Slams, so at the French Open right now, I think they're at about 15%. Of revenue is the prize money. And the players are pretty unhappy with well, A, it's not equal to ATP WTA. B, revenue was projected to increase year over year at, I don't know, a certain percentage. And their proportion of increase of prize money was less than that increase of revenue. So they're like, what's going on here? Why are we not proportionally getting more as the revenue increases more? ⁓ there were like talks a few weeks ago of, you know, potentially boycotting the French Open, which I I never thought that was gonna happen, to be completely honest. but they I think they were hoping that they could have some conversations and and come to an agreement or even like the French Open show a sign of good faith and increase the prize money at least a little bit. ⁓ but obviously that didn't happen. So a lot of a lot of chatter's still going on. Now the players are kind of you know, taking a stand within the media by limiting their media interactions to 15 minutes like on the dot to symbolize the only the fifteen percent of revenue that they get is prize money. ⁓ I think this is probably gonna be an ongoing conversation for a couple more months, at least till the end of the year. ⁓ and it'll be interesting to see what the Grand Slams do. Because while the percentage of revenue that they get as prize money is less. It's still like the Grand Slams make so much more money than the rest of the ATP WTA tournaments for most of the part. So the players still get paid out like four times more for a first round at a Grand Slam than they do for a first round at a WTA five hundred or WTA a thousand things like that. So I think that would be hard for people to boycott A Grand Slam, especially if you're not one of the top players and you need to play a Grand Slam to make a living. But like the reason why all the top players are talking about this isn't because they want more money. And this is probably like reiterating something that has been talked about a lot in social media or on other podcasts too. But it's not that they want more money. It's just who else is gonna talk about it. They need to talk about it so that everyone, like the lower ranked people who, you know, again, need to win a round or two to like even make a living for the rest of the year, like they get that gr benefit from it. Like the top players do not need this extra money, but they want to support everyone in the sport. And they're the faces of the sport and that's why they're talking about it so much. But yeah, so I think it'll be interesting to see who wins on the women's side. Like obviously Robotino won the Australian Open. ⁓ I think she's been having a pretty good year so far. Decent coco's cocoa defending champion, you can never counter out. I think she just got to the finals of something too. So she Yeah. I mean like Sabalanka hasn't been playing well on clay, but like you'd be an idiot if you were just to counter out. Yeah. speaker-1: plays well in clay too. Like Like come on now. Also I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with that dress. I'm so excited to see it, honestly. The the Nike dress, the red black. It looks sick. ⁓ my god. but yeah, no. I know. I j she's gotta win a major, man. She's so close. I I I hope she I actually have no idea. speaker-0: It's gonna be ⁓ fire. It looks My cooler does well. I hope she wins. Yeah. speaker-1: A good podcast as well. But yeah, she she has won Charleston and like you would think like with how she plays and like her game, it wouldn't really like translate to clay, but she's actually like a really good mover on clay as well. I've seen. And she just she just knows how to win, man. Like she wins a lot. It's just like she's so close. ⁓ speaker-0: She's almost one of those players where like it's under like people don't take notice of how much she wins. Like I don't realize it, but she's like the quarter semis finals like easily every week. speaker-1: Every time. Yeah. Every time. Like she's just like grinding out there. ⁓ yeah, it's just like a quiet confidence almost. ⁓ I I would also like to see Svitolina do something. She's been playing so well. And, you know, with Momfee's it being like his last French open, I just think that would be so sweet. I just think like because he's French and it is the French open, like I think it's just such a emotional and big deal obviously. And did you see she was like crying when he was like getting like ⁓ recognized? I was like, ⁓ my God. So so sweet. But like what a power couple like of tennis players. Like that's crazy. ⁓ so yeah I hope I hope she does well. But yeah, I think we'll see what everyone else predictions are, yeah, and the audience, but ⁓ it could be anyone. speaker-0: It could be anyone. speaker-1: And I'm really excited for it. ⁓ it'd be crazy if someone like actually knocked Cinner out. Just like made a like a Cinderella run, like speaker-0: No, that would yeah. I just I don't see that happening. I don't either. I think if it happens, it would happen in the earlier rounds. Yeah. I don't know, maybe. Although he's gotten a lot of matches in, so maybe not. speaker-1: Yeah, we're we're definitely missing Carlos, that's for sure. But speaker-0: Yeah. Bummer, he's out for Wimbledon as well. I think Wimbledon, like Djokovic, is gonna try to walk in for Wimbledon. I think that's gonna be his best chance to somehow get that 25th Grand Slam. And I agree. Again, Sinner's defending champion there though. So speaker-1: Yeah, we'll see. But you know, Djokovic never goes away. but yeah, so that's what's going on this week. I think in this episode we are talking a lot about transitions in kind of athlete careers. So looking at, you know, high school, secondary school, going to college or university and how that transition kind of transpires, and then also retiring from sport. speaker-0: Nope. ⁓ speaker-1: So whether that be from university or professionally, I think it's just a really important to talk about. I think, you know, as far as the transitional aspects of careers, I think there's kind of a lack of guidance. ⁓ especially when it is such a big change, whether you are going into that, you know, next highest level or you're just completely finishing your sport. I think it's a very important topic that needs to be talked about more. And I've actually created a program now that Focuses on those exact topics because I was like, hey, we're missing something here, guys. We talk in here because I just think it would be so helpful for, you know, especially high school athletes going at to that university level. It's like, that's a crazy change. And we'll we'll definitely get into how crazy it was. But yeah, we'll get we get into it today and we're really excited. speaker-0: We sure are. We definitely are. Yeah, I so when I was done with tennis, I finished my master's year and then I was like, I'm going into the workforce. I was first off actually kind of excited. I was like, I need a break. I was really burnt out at that point. Like obviously I was sad. I was really sad that like I don't think it hit me until that last match of like, ⁓ shoot, something I've been doing my entire life basically is now just like over, just like that. Like I don't think I was mentally prepared for how I was gonna feel because I was just so like burnt out and kind of excited to get to a point where I could have a little more freedom in my life and like do different things and start working. So when that moment came around, I think I was unprepared for like what was next, honestly. Cause I was so excited, but then I didn't realize how I was actually gonna feel. I think there's a lot of or there's a lack of support for players that just go from like transitioning from like college to post college. and I really struggled with almost in the beginning, like finding that purpose in my day because again, for so much of my life it was the goal is to always get better in tennis. The goal is always to improve performance, improve physical performance, mental performance, improve this shot, become better at you know, strategy, become faster, become stronger, sleep better, recover better, win one more round in a tournament, like get a higher ranking X, Y, Z. Like that's honestly like what a lot of my life since I was like, I don't know, eleven, ten, eleven, focused around. ⁓ and like, like it or or not like it, like went through different phases in my life of like, did I like that? Did I not like that? Whatever. Once I got out of college, like, Well, what's my purpose now? Like I literally don't have a purpose every single day that I'm working towards. So I tried to get that purpose from work. ⁓ from doing a good job at my at my job and ⁓ like almost like trying to like move up the ranks, do a good job, get promotions, things like that. But it wasn't the same, you know, like it wasn't exactly the same. But I think it helped me. ⁓ in my work life afterwards for sure, like trying to find that drive at work and still doing a good job. I also struggled with I don't have like structure around my day anymore. Like for so much of my life it was like wake up, go to school, go to practice, or go to a tournament, eat, sleep, homework, repeat. ⁓ now I didn't have anyone structuring my day. I didn't have anyone helping me with workouts. Workouts was such a hard part of it. I was like, what do I do for a workout now? I literally don't know how to work out without killing my body because I was so used to like going 110%. ⁓ I don't know. I I think it was just like going from something that was very structured and very purposeful to something that is just very unstructured and like not purposeful at all. It was just very difficult for me. I don't know how you found it, but speaker-1: Yeah, I feel like I had a very similar experience to you in certain ways. ⁓ I was definitely sad after, especially like legitimately like right after the last match that we had. ⁓ and also at tennis, it kind of sucks because y it's very hard to like win the last match that you ever play. ⁓ if you play in NCAAs, it's like, all right, well, you either win the entire thing or you're out. So I think that that always is is never great. ⁓ but yeah, I get what you're saying with like the structure thing. And I'll talk a little bit more detail into this in a bit, but it is such a thing where you have such a set schedule as a student athlete at university. And it's like you know you have to be there at this time for a class. You know you have to be at practice at this time for for training and things like that. And it's like once you get out of that structure and let's say you go into like a nine to five or something, it's like, okay, well, I need to like figure out how to rework my entire life now. Like how am I gonna when am I gonna exercise because I still wanna do that? ⁓ when when am I gonna have time for, you know, certain things? And it's also like learning to fill your time in with new hobbies and things that you you didn't have when you were a student athlete because you didn't really have time for hobbies. so it's like figuring out what you can do, you know, after you're nine to five and and things like that. And but it's hard because you're also like exhausted from work because it's a different, it's just like a different exhaustion, right? speaker-0: It's like a different stimulus. Like it's yeah. It's very like like the stimulus you used to have before was very like physical, right? So you get like physically exhausted. Now at least if you're in a like corporate job like I am, a nine to five is I sit for eight hours a day in an in a cubicle staring at a computer screen. Like it's like mentally exhausting and almost your body gets exhausted because you're not doing anything. Like it's a very diff Like you know like how sometimes you when you sit all day you feel so tired because you feel gross and like it's not good for your body. Like it's a different type of exhaustion. ⁓ and on the on the hobby point, I started laughing because so again, like I I finished and I was like, I have so much free time after work now, like I have no commitments. I can do whatever I want. And I started like binge watching TV after work. 'Cause I like well, I binge watched during college too, but not to the extent I I was like, I can do whatever I want, like I'm just gonna relax. And I think after like a month of that, I was like, I need to find something like productive to do with my time because this is not productive. speaker-1: Right. Yeah. But it's like, especially right after you're done, you're like, I can finally relax and not worry about, you know, like homework that's due tomorrow or, you know, getting up early for a practice. And so you almost want to like give yourself that time to to bin wa binge watch and do those things. ⁓ but if you get stuck in that pattern, then I think it's just not not great. I did the exact same thing. and also, yeah, the whole finding your like new purpose thing. I think it's important to almost focus on that before you actually finish playing. Cause it is really hard. Like once you're done, it's like almost feel like you're thrown into a completely different life. You know? It's like you're restarting and you're like, well, I'm not going to practice tomorrow. I'm not training for four hours. Like I'm not like an athlete, quote unquote. But so I want to get into that in a little a little bit later. but I think it is there's different ways to find a purpose, right? And I think a lot of it comes from like what you value as a person just in general, and so not having to like connect it to being an athlete or you know, playing a sport and just making it more so like as a human, like what do you value? And then figuring out from there, you know. speaker-0: So so you do you think that's like something you need to like talk with someone about while you're still in college or just kind of figure out on your own? Because again, like I was saying, there's not really that many, ⁓ there's not that much support while you're in college to prep you for this like next phase. And I kind of wish sometimes that they would have like, okay, like all seniors who are graduating, like go talk to our sports psychologists like three times a semester so we can just talk about you know, what you're thinking about after college and how you're feeling and how you're gonna go about, you know, adapting to your new lifestyle. ⁓ and maybe that's like something that they could talk about there. speaker-1: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I've very rarely heard of universities that have programs like that. ⁓ I just don't think it's something that they put a lot of resources towards, which is kind of like the whole reason that I'm starting this program with the whole like transition based thing, because I think it is something that athletes need. Like I think it's just gonna be so beneficial. And it also will help them play better. Because they're not gonna be as worried about like, ⁓ my gosh, like this is coming up soon, like I'm gonna be done soon. I need to play my best ever, or else I'm not gonna be happy after. You know what I mean? So it's it it helps in a certain in certain ways in certain situations. ⁓ and so yeah, that's that's pretty much the whole reason that I started. That's the whole reason I that's the whole reason I did my dissertation on the the topic that I did. It was like, no, I wanna kinda look into this because Cause I swear most of our athlete friends, like ninety-nine percent of them were like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like I don't know what I'm doing right now. Like I know universities try to like help with like career stuff, which like sometimes helps. It's really general normally. ⁓ and like, yeah, that's great to focus on the career. Like that's actually some form of coping is like actually just keeping yourself busy and going into something new. but I think it's just such an emotional period. That you need a little bit more. So like like you were saying, I think athletes almost need to be like forced, not forced, but like someone needs to tell yeah, someone yeah, someone needs to tell them to go and be like, Hey, like you should probably go talk about this because it is coming up soon and you know, you might not you might say you've come to terms with it, but then it happens and you're like, ⁓ this is I'm not ready for this. You know what I mean? So I mean I think you can. explore and find a purpose on your own. But I think it also is really helpful for someone to, you know, assist you in doing that because they have different ways you can do it based on like your personality, your background, how you actually like, you know, finished your sport and things like that. So I I that's why I do think it is sometimes quite helpful to actually have someone in your corner. speaker-0: Yeah. And again, like you've I'm assuming most people had never had to find a purpose themselves before in their life because this purpose of ath athletic development and constantly tr striving to win and whatever, like was almost like thrust upon them. And I'm sure they like accepted it willingly. Like some people accepted it willingly, some people maybe not so willingly. but now it's like it's so ambiguous of like. ⁓ shoot, I don't even have something that like it's just kind of like different. Like how are you gonna figure out what your purpose is if you've never had to f figure it out completely from scratch before? Right. You know. speaker-1: Yeah, and when I did do this sort of research around it, so I sp I was specifically looking at NCAA women's tennis players and basically how they felt immediately after retirement. So I was trying to get them interview them pretty much right after a week after they finished matches, right? Because I just wanted to see like what were those initial reactions because there's been a lot of kind of retrospective studies where they look at people like years from now, like how do they feel about it and and all of that. But I really wanted to look at what was going on. How were they feeling right after they finished just to kind of see because I was curious just from you know my experience, I was like, hmm, this will be interesting. and I kind of looked at it to get kind of more like into the research part of it. I looked at it more from like a coping perspective and an athletic identity perspective, which we talked a little bit about before, I think, in episodes, but just for everyone to kind of reference, athletic identity is very simply just the degree to which a person actually identifies with the athlete role. And there's like different kind of tones to that. So like For example, you can kind of like internalize the athlete role. So it's like you're accepting that, you're accepting that role. And you kind of live by certain values that like connect with that, connect with being an athlete. But then you also have the kind of external part to it. So like other people around you, your coaches, your family, your teammates are sort of like reinforcing that role. So it's almost like your environment. ⁓ And so that's just something to keep in mind as we kind of go through this. And you can have a strong athletic identity, you can have a weak athletic identity, kind of like based on where you're at in your career and things like that. You know, how passionate are you about sport? So, like, you know, if if you love playing, you're super passionate about it, you're probably gonna have a pretty strong athletic identity, right? and so there's like different things that go into it. ⁓ but Yeah, it was funny. Like I wanted to get the initial reactions and most of them were just like pure relief. Pure, like, I'm so tired. It's like almost like a little bit of a form of burnout because you know, at the end of a season, you will have played so many matches at that point. You know what I mean? So I I completely got that. I was like, yeah, I feel you. Like that was a lot. speaker-0: I'm so done with this. speaker-1: ⁓ and it's also just like emotionally draining, like being so intense for that many matches, you know. 'Cause I feel like, you know, when we were playing at NCAs, NCAAs, that was like I mean, can you describe that on you? Like it was speaker-0: Insane. Like you literally are so like wound up. I remember I was just so constantly like I felt like my body was like tense. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was so just like, focus, focus, focus. I it was just so I was putting that much more pressure on myself and like and then you win and you're like, okay, we gotta do it all over again tomorrow. So speaker-1: You're like, no breaks, no breaks. Yeah. so yeah, that was a super common theme that I saw. It was just like, ⁓ I'm just glad to be done at this point. Yeah. Which I completely get, like right after. but it was also interesting because a lot of them were just very uncertain about their future and how they would feel a few months from now. Right. So there was a lot of anticipation of like, well. in August, for example, when everyone comes back to university and is getting ready for like a new season, I don't know how I'm gonna feel then. Yeah. And seeing all of like the social posts and, you know, people in the group chat still talking about, you know, going into the new season. like how did you feel once once the new season started where you weren't playing anymore? speaker-0: was kinda sad honestly I was I had a little bit of FOMO. ⁓ I I was kinda like especially I mean now that I'm like what three years removed from it but even then I was kinda like man I kinda wish I could go back. Like I miss I remember like the excitement of starting a new season and everyone getting together after the summer, catching up, like being excited to get going. And I was just like man, that's kinda kinda sad because now I was just kind of in a position where every day is the same. Right. Every week is the same. We don't have a summer break in the corporate world. ⁓ it's almost like it's like groundhog day. It's like over and over and over again. And I'm like, what am I looking forward to? So that's why, ⁓ not to go on a little tangent, but that's why I think planning trips or just planning things to be excited about is was something that really helped me after. speaker-1: Yeah. That's the worst. speaker-0: college because otherwise I didn't really have like the start of the year to look forward to or the beginning of the season to look forward to. Right. You know. Right. So definitely had a little bit of FOMO. speaker-1: Yeah, I I was like, ⁓ they're probably doing like their preseason meeting right now. yeah, it it is a little bit like, ⁓ I could be out there right now. and I think it also very much depends with how you kind of look back at your career. And so speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Like I would also say most of the people I talked to were very positive about going into retirement, but they still felt like it was very abrupt. Like just very just like, whoa. because it it really is. Cause it's like, okay, so my schedule's completely changing. I don't have to practice tomorrow. I don't have to like play a match tomorrow. It is weird. It's very weird. And so we also talk a lot about like normative versus non-normative transitions. And so Like for example, ⁓ like a normative transition is pretty much this. Like you're going from playing at university and you know that you have however many years you have and then you're done. You know what I mean? Like that's pretty normal. And it's just like you've progressed pretty smoothly out out of university. ⁓ or for example, on like a different side of the coin, it could be like a high schooler transitioning to university. Like that's a pretty like simple progression, right? Whereas like some people it might be an injury that it takes it takes them out of of competition forever. You know what I mean? So some people might have right, like very like sudden end of career injuries. so that's one way to look at it as well as being a more like non-normative type of transition. ⁓ and so I think for me, I think it was really hard. Like Anya, I'm not kidding. speaker-0: Sudden. speaker-1: I was kind of going back and forth between Montreal and like North Carolina after ⁓ college was done. And I was working at the time as a medical assistant online. And I just remember after like a couple weeks into my job, I was like, I had like a mental breakdown. I was genuinely, I was like, I was like, what am I doing? I'm like, I'm home all day long because I'm working online, right? I was like, I'm sitting at a desk. All day long on a computer from nine to five, I'm literally going insane. Like I'm literally going insane. I wasn't enjoying working out. Like I I didn't enjoy it anymore. I was like, this is boring. I don't have anyone to work out with. I'm in some like tiny little gym that is just like not the same as the crazy facilities that we had at Wake. I'm just like, this is not I'm like, what am I doing with my life? ⁓ But I also think I had a bit more of a difficult time because I was very not satisfied with like my college career. So I think that was a very big part of it. Cause I, you know, I asked people like how how did you actually feel about your career, like in general? Like were you satisfied with it? Like did did everything did your expectations happen or things like that? ⁓ And so I think for me, it was more like I had such high expectations going into university tennis and I just like did not meet them. And so I think that's why I f like af a month after I was done, I was like, I didn't even do what I wanted to do. And now I don't really have a chance to go back and do it again. You know what I mean? So yeah. Not to get speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah. I can't like that's gotta be so tough because you almost feel like you have like unfinished business and you don't have a chance to finish that business. Right. Exactly. And now you're being forced into something that you don't want, don't particularly want to be doing and it it's gotta like compound in on itself. Like for me, I feel like I feel like for the most part, like I was pretty satisfied. Like obviously there's always gonna be like speaker-1: Right, exactly. speaker-0: regrets about things. But I think I was pretty like satisfied with my college career. ⁓ the r some of the regrets being ⁓ those three three matches that I lost. speaker-1: Well on you you've you've did amazing things the entire time you were there. So we can just forget about those. Thanks. Thanks. speaker-0: ⁓ so like being more satisfied with that, it's almost like okay, I can like take pride in what I did and move on, but then it's still kind of like you're moving on and you're like, Well, this is just weird. Like, this is weird. Same thing with the workout that you were saying. Like, ⁓ I didn't know how to exercise without structure. Like, I I needed someone to tell me what to do and why I was doing it. Like, I couldn't come up with my own workout plans. I didn't know how to work out without driving my body to like the brink of exhaustion. Mm-hmm. And that was something really hard for me. Something else really hard for me was like, what do I eat? And when do I eat? Because I'm not fueling my body for this like insane amount of output and like exertion. Right. And like the decrease in exercise. I I was like, okay, well, I don't need to eat like a trillion carbs now. Mm-hmm. And like I don't have to eat at like certain times and I don't have to eat like a banana like thirty to sixty minutes before I go X, Y, and Z. Yeah. You know, and it was it was just like weird. It was weird. speaker-1: No, genuinely it's like learning how to live a new life. ⁓ speaker-0: It's almost as if we were like coddled babies up until we were like twenty two years old. And then they're like, All right, now you're adults. Figure yourself. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. Like doing very hard things, but doing it in a way where you didn't really have to like think about what you were doing. You just did it. Right. Yeah. ⁓ and that's also like the exercise and the nutrition components are things that I very much plan on adding to my program because I think it's all like you want it to be as holistic as possible. Like Of course, we're gonna focus on the kind of mental and emotional side to it because I think that's kind of where you can provide like a basis for people to kind of, you know, work off of, but then adding in exercise programs to help people figure out, like, okay, how do I do this again? And then also the nutrition aspect to it because it very much is relearning how to, you know, get yourself energy in new ways and and learning how to just like Build muscle still if you want, or like trying new things. Like, how are you gonna exercise for that? So it's like there's so many different components to it. And I think a fun part about it, and a lot of people can take this right now, is like you have such a sense of freedom and ⁓ autonomy in your exercise. Like you can you can do things for just your health now. Like you don't necessarily have to like be performance fit, you know? So speaker-0: Don't have to be lifting like a hundred fifty pounds every single day and and sprinting, doing sprints on the treadmill. Just do yoga and go for a walk. Yeah. Right, exactly. speaker-1: Yeah, but if you still Right. But you can try new things. You can try Pilates, you can try Legree. And I think we've done pretty well with that. Like we've tried Yeah. Guys, Legris. speaker-0: It's been fun. So hard. I think that they are training for something that we don't know is coming. Like speaker-1: I don't I don't feel like I was ever an athlete when I when I walk into that room. So hard. speaker-0: I ⁓ I was I was texting Peyton ⁓ a couple days ago because I took a Ligree class and I genuinely w like 10 minutes into the class, I was shaking, not even trembling, like shaking, like moving at least a couple inches side to side on that reformer. Like it was, I don't know how I didn't fall off. It was humbling to say the least. ⁓ speaker-1: If anyone doesn't know what Legris is, it's basically Pilates on crack. Yeah. It's like it's very much more it's much more muscular endurance based. So you're like your muscles are tired. Very much, yeah. You're you you've got like an eight count for like one going down like on a lunge, you're going down for like eight seconds, like slowly. And then they're like speaker-0: More movements. Hold and pulse. And you're like, huh? speaker-1: You're like, I can't. I can't. And then they're like, all right, now we're back in full range, like afno pulse. And I'm like, ⁓ my good God. speaker-0: Yep. The worst part is I thought I had like a strong core. Mm-mm. I have discovered that I do not have obliques. I don't think I have obliques. ⁓ because anytime we do specifically oblique exercises, which is for those who don't know, I think it's like the side core. ⁓ I'm like falling into the like whatever that thing is. Uh-huh. And I like can't keep my like hips up. I speaker-1: Side. The monorail part. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, like I feel like there's a knife going into my side every time I do an oblique exercise. I'm like, I don't think I ever had obliques before this. speaker-1: No, I'm like, so my core is just non-existent. It's just non-existent. If we're doing like ⁓ like pikes, I I I'm like, ⁓ this actually just hurts. speaker-0: Yeah. Can't do it. Can't do it. Can't do it. speaker-1: And I like to think that I'm getting better, but I truly like it's really hard to feel good in that class. speaker-0: But you feel like really good once you leave. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel good when you leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. speaker-0: But like during the entire time I'm staring at the clock the whole time. I'm like, How has it only been thirteen minutes? Why do we have this camp? Forty three more minutes to go. speaker-1: yeah, no, that's so good. ⁓ but yeah, no, I think it is good to kind of like broaden your horizons with with learning new exercises, ways to exercise. And you know, everyone always likes to do the the marathons, the half marathons. I think it's great. I I don't really under yeah, exactly. I don't really understand why people hate on other people for like running half marathons and marathons. Like why are you hating on them? I'm sorry. speaker-0: Like they found something that they enjoy. So what speaker-1: Yeah, if I'm running if I'm running a marathon, I'm gonna post it. speaker-0: Yeah. Sorry. Like I don't know. Would you rather that or would you rather them get into like smoking cigarettes every day? Like what do you mean? Like why are you pissed off at them? Like that's a hard thing to do. It's really hard to do. So if they want to do it, let them do it. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, I've never understood that. So weird. ⁓ but there's so many different, you know, things to try out. So I think people should. But I think the other side of it is like like I was talking about before with the athletic identity and things like that. It's like we need to be exploring our identities before we finish university and playing. I think that is massive. Yeah, like it's it's really funny because when I always talk about athletic identity, I always try to like think back about to when like I was at university and how I kind of treated my athletic identity because I felt like I was trying so hard to not be an athlete sometimes because that would be the only thing that people would reference when they talk to me. You know what I mean? Like they'd be like, How's tennis going? And that's kind of that like external thing I was talking about where like people are like reinforcing it. It's like you're only talking about your athletic endeavors and things like that and nothing else really. ⁓ so I feel like I try to be like, but no, I can do art or like no, I'm studying this. You know what I mean? Did you ever feel speaker-0: I feel like you were really good at that and I was not. Like I fully leaned into like I am an athlete. I am on the Tennessee Mine an athlete. I am friends with all these athletes. Like you were way better at that than I was. ⁓ and even like I was in business school but I was like I'm an athlete in business school. speaker-1: But again, like I liked being an athlete. Yeah. Like I w I'm wearing the the bat pack around like I I I fully leaned into it. Yeah. I I still take our bat packs that we got to the airport because it's such a good bat pack. I have it's got the best pockets, it's the perfect size, and of course it says like Wake Forest tennis on the back. Yep. In Glasgow the other day. speaker-0: I still use that back. I use that backpack. Landed speaker-1: And this guy was like obviously intrigued by my backpack. And he's like, ⁓ like you play tennis at Wake Forest. I was like, Yeah, I did like four years ago. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: He's like, ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, I know. Peyton, I literally still was using our like carry-ons up until two weeks ago I finally got a new carry-on. They're good. But they just say like Wake Forest, on your brilliant in like massive letters on it. And I'm just like, They probably think I'm a current athlete. I should probably get like a new checked bag or a carry-on. Like No, I've I finally finally pulled the trigger. speaker-1: Feel like a bit of an idiot. Yeah, I I've I have bought ⁓ carry ons that are not Wake Forest branded. but no it it it is so funny like also talking to other people I feel like When I was talking about sort of the the external part of the athletic identity, I feel like that just pretty much goes away almost completely after you retire. It's like you don't have, you know, coaches and teammates who are kind of like reinforcing that. You don't have parents or friends of parents coming up to you and talking about, you know, how you've been playing or whatever. So I feel like that just like totally goes away. But I still feel like in a sense, people still internalize it. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Even after they're like, no, I'm still an athlete. And which is funny because, like, for example, I when I was writing my dissertation and I had like my supervisor helping me, he was like, I would kind of argue that one, you're not really retiring, and two, you're still an athlete. And I was so adamant of like. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: No, no, it is retiring. Like it they this is the the contract's done. Like you're yeah, you're you're not playing in this way again. So I was pretty adamant about that. But then I was like, Yeah, you are kinda right. Like I still would identify as an athlete or at least an athletic person. You know what I mean? So speaker-0: Yeah. It's kind of like what Olivia was saying when we were interviewing her of like, Yeah, you're you might be done athletic wise, like playing your sport in college, but you're still an athlete in the workfor like she still like refers to them as like athletes in the workforce and things like that. speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: So like I don't think like you can ever shed a part of like completely get rid of a part of your identity, like especially if that's been with you for so many years. Like it's always gonna be a part of you, but how do we like expand and like grow into like different areas and make our id identities more than just what we were for this part of our life, right? speaker-1: Right. No, exactly. I think I think it's very much again finding those core values that work for you as an athlete and taking them into whatever new endeavor that you're going into. And then also taking the skills that you've learned as an athlete and taking that into, you know, your workforce or things like that. and so I I think that helps in a sense of you know, you won't have as much of like an identity crisis because you're kind of still living by, you know, the values that you took in your everyday life as an athlete and now you're taking it into, you know, your new job or new career or whatever it might be. speaker-0: Yeah, like point ⁓ three percent of female athletes go pro. So like even less than like that metric that we've been talking about a lot. But like seventy percent of ⁓ girls who play sports either in college or in high school, like tend to s get into like leadership positions in the workforce compared to non athletes, right? So leadership is like such a big thing that athletics teaches and just like communication and teamwork. ⁓ So that's those are a few of the things that I took into my career. ⁓ but I also do think that I almost felt like I was behind some of the time due to having to focus on sport, which I think we've talked about a lot too. Of like I didn't really have ⁓ like a very standardized like internship, you know, after my sophomore year, after my junior year, et cetera. ⁓ I felt like I couldn't do a lot more of those like networking opportunities because your job was always to play tennis and prepare to play tennis. So it's it's a it's a pro and a con. speaker-1: Right. Yeah, I when I was doing my research, that was definitely a highlight of people were like, Well, I kind of feel like I'm behind. I don't I just again, yeah, you don't have time for internships, you don't have time for part time jobs. It's just it's your sport and your schoolwork. So it it does feel like I I think it can feel like when you get out of s out of school, it's like, ⁓ God. Like these people have been doing this for so long. But I think also as an athlete, I think you do have a sense of confidence in yourself that you kind of develop over the years. So I think that will help kind of bridge the gap there. ⁓ but yeah, at the same time, it it it might be hard. another thing that kind of goes along, like the exercise and everything that we were talking about, are kind of different ways to maintain your connection to your sport. And so, like for example, I think with me, I think just like the recreational playing has been great. It's like I don't need the pressure of like a huge competition anymore. Like I don't really want that. But playing like good matches brings me a lot of joy. Like just having like good points and like, you know, it can be great for your fitness as well. But like just playing good points, it's like really fun. And like i it's a little bit of an adrenaline rush, but N nowhere near as what you're gonna get winning a, you know, NCAA match or whatever. But I don't think I really need that anymore. I think it's more just like I like playing good tennis. No, that's speaker-0: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's something that I'm probably missing a little bit and I'm hoping to finally get back into this. Yeah. speaker-1: Start that back up again. yeah, the timing, the timing's crazy. Like when you get back on the court, you're like, whoa, this ball is moving fast. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. Like where did my reaction speed go? speaker-1: Yeah, exactly. ⁓ but a lot of people will go into coaching. Like I think that is probably the easiest transition that you can have when you come out of sport because you still are very much connected to it, just in a different way, right? And I also think like staying in contact with your former teammates can be great. Like that's almost like a form of coping through like social support is like being able to, you know, look at look back at the at the good times and kind of reminisce without like getting too caught up in the past. Like you don't wanna, you know, be like, ⁓ well, if we had done this, you know, like you don't want to get too caught up in that. You kind of wanna make sure that you're staying a bit more present. But I do think it is to kind of just great to just keep that connection with people. speaker-0: Yeah. I mean, just having like that support system and people who like went through the same things with you and maintaining those relationships outside of sport while being connected by that one thing. Sport is really important. Like we I feel like we say this all the time, but like I made like everlasting friendships through sport. ⁓ yeah. That now have like grown into different kinds of relationships that are like not as much so driven by speaker-1: For sure. speaker-0: Athletics and it's it's great. speaker-1: Right. Yeah. It is interesting going from like a very, very much athlete circle. It's almost like a bubble. And then having to kind of branch out and find a new social circle with non-athletes. How did you how did you feel about that? Like how did you go about that? I know you like when you go into a workforce, you kind of automatically are thrown into like a team, but what what did you how was your experience in that? speaker-0: Gonna lie, like especially in the beginning, it was kind of hard for me because I almost felt like I had nothing in common with a lot of people. And when I did meet ⁓ like one of my really good friends now, like she was an athlete in ⁓ in college as well. So like we automatically clicked because we had that commonality. Right. But with other people, I like we would be talking about things and it's like we literally don't have anything in common other than the fact that We're in the same industry, maybe, or things like that. So it's kind of hard because I again I think for me specifically, because you did a better job of like you have like your art and like different things too. Me, like my entire identity was like, I'm an athlete, I'm an athlete, I'm an athlete. And so it's like we're talking about things with people, and I'm like, this literally, like, I don't care about this, but they care about it. And so I had to find a way, and like vice versa. Like I would be talking about like my athlete days, and they're like, Can't relate. So like you know I don't care. Yeah, like can't relate. So it was like it was really interesting for me to start finding like passions again outside of athletics or like different things that I'm interested in. And so I think that was kind of hard in the beginning, but I think you just need to keep putting yourself out there and like being open to meeting different people because that's like the beauty of life, right? There's so many different people and it's so If you're like open to it, it's so interesting to like learn about like their lives and their perspectives on things and what they're interested in and being open to like, you know, trying some of the things that they're interested in and and talking to them about it. So I think I just kind of had to get over like the mindset of like, almost like, ⁓ I'm an athlete, I'm so cool. Uh-huh. Right. Everyone else is like doesn't know what I went through type of thing. You know? ⁓ 'cause like it it it pains me to Yeah. ⁓ so it was hard in the beginning, but you know, trying different things and like again like going to like run clubs with friends who were like yeah weren't athletes and just like being able to like chill and like it's more of a social thing rather than a competitive thing or going to play board games with people and like just I don't know, just different things. Like just clubs. Yeah, just be a human and Mm-hmm. And slowly but surely, like, you'll you'll find things in common with people. And if even if you don't have things in common, like it's you still have great friendships too. speaker-1: Yeah. I I still feel like my closest relationships are still with my athletic friends that did grow up playing sport, but I still do have those other friends that I kind of have those new perspectives with with, which is nice. I loved being an athlete. I still like calling myself an athlete. I yeah, I'm gonna I think I'll always kind of miss playing in college though. Like I I don't think that's a bad thing. Like I look on it. look at it fondly, it's like, I wish we could do it all over again because it was really fun. speaker-0: Yeah. I wish we could just go back to the beginning and like like when you were just going from like high school like that summer between high school and going into college and just being so excited and giddy about things. Yeah. speaker-1: So giddy. And like getting your locker, like seeing your nameplate, getting all your gear. It's like, whoa. speaker-0: Like it it's so exciting, but obviously that's like also a transition too. So, you know, bar all the excitement and the like happiness and just the wonder of being at college. Like what do you think was the hardest part about transitioning from high school to university? speaker-1: I think just from like a sport perspective, it was just 10 times more intense. 10 times more intense. ⁓ and also like obviously college, university is hard. So you're juggling like you're learning, you're just learning on the fly basically how to juggle a crazy practice schedule, but also crazy amount of studying. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: And you know, they don't call it workforce for nothing. so I think that was the hardest part, just learning how to which I think we were decent at, like learning how to like manage our time and things like that. ⁓ I think we were guilty of procrastination, which we've talked about before, which is hard to, you know, a hard habit to break. but yeah, it's just like mentally being able to like stay in it constantly. speaker-0: Yeah. I think like like almost having to develop that self awareness of Yeah. There's so many like stimuli stimuli going on around you. There's like so many things going on around you and like you wanna like be involved in like everything and like the social and like the athlete circles and like do great like take all these different classes and like yada yada and I think you like you need to ⁓ d almost like develop like that self awareness Of like, okay, I have a lot on my plate. Maybe I need to like chill and not go out tonight or right, you know, k hold myself accountable, like things like that. Mm-hmm. Where before you almost had like your parents or like coaches doing that for you. Like like you still have your coaches, don't get me wrong, but you get a lot more freedom and freedom is great, but that also means that you need to have more responsibility on yourself as well. And be able to like just be honest with yourself and like aware of like, okay, maybe I'm not handling this too much too well, or maybe I'm like not spending enough time studying, or maybe I'm not spending enough time sleeping and it's affecting my performance. Right. You're not gonna have anyone telling you that. Yeah. Holding your hand. So I think that's the biggest transition for me. speaker-1: Holding your hand. Yeah, for sure. It is very much building that self awareness. Even like even on the court too, building that self awareness. It's like, okay, what am I doing in these certain situations and learning how to like develop from that and like taking constructive criticism and not like making it into a whole thing and and reacting emotionally to it. Like they're just trying to help you. ⁓ and yeah, It can be as simple as like developing a routine. ⁓ to make sure that you're getting through those really tough days 'cause it is very much like go, go, go. And you need to know like, okay, when am I gonna eat? When am I gonna like maybe get a fifteen minute nap? speaker-0: Which yeah. I do Pain was a big napper. speaker-1: Many times I would hit the bed and immediately pass out. Immediately. If it was 10 minutes, 15 minutes, I was out and I enjoyed every single minute of it. speaker-0: Uh-huh. See, like I'm not a good napper. Like I need to nap for at least an hour and a half. Like I can't do a power nap. I I couldn't do it. That was that was really sad. speaker-1: They got me through practices for sure. Yeah. ⁓ so I think that's a skill. ⁓ but on like a more serious side of it, I think it's also like even before you get into college, like developing that confidence because you are, you know, you're coming in as a freshman, you are kind of like the younger player and it's like how are you gonna handle that pressure? And you know, you might have some performance anxiety that goes along with it. So I think it's just getting those you know, mental skills before you even transition into that freshman year. speaker-0: So you're saying I think it's just like it forces you to mature really quickly. Yeah. Forces you to grow up and be more of an adult. speaker-1: And some people do that a lot better than others. So it's it's very dependent on, you know, who you are as a person. ⁓ and again, that's why I'm really creating this program. It's like I want people to be as prepared as possible. Like once they get like I think it would be so fantastic just to be able to go on a court and just like focus on your game and not like. 10,000 other things that are going on, you know, outside of practice and like, ⁓ well, I need I I'm behind on this because I didn't do this. And, you know, like you you wanna be able to just like take your time and develop as an athlete and without having to like worry about a million things. Cause I feel like that's what we got stuck doing a lot of the time. ⁓ and so I think that's why I developed this to be more of a transition focused, like, okay, let's figure this out before ⁓ we even get into college. Like if you're having performance issues right now, like let's deal with it before we even get there. So then you feel more confident in yourself as a freshman because it is, it's intimidating. It's intimidating. The program is called Aligned Performance Coaching, guys. speaker-0: Love it. speaker-1: I just, you know, it took me a while to come up with that. No, I'm kidding. But so ap yeah, Apica. Apica. ⁓ merch will be coming soon. but no, I really just wanted to kind of go through what it's really all about and kind of what the model of practice is because I've probably talked about this before, but in sports psychology and mental performance, there's lots of different kind of avenues to take and like what kind of guides you as like a practitioner. And, you know, cognitive behavioral therapy has been super, super popular within the past few years. And that's always been kind of like a go-to for people in the past in in recent years. And now it's kind of switched to kind of a more third wave of CBT, which is called. acceptance and commitment therapy. So just act for short. Not apica, more aca. Love it. speaker-0: And So so what is that? speaker-1: So basically, very general, the whole idea of it is to become psychologically flexible, which I'll kind of go into, but also literally just b building a very fulfilling life. It basically postulates that everyone suffers and that's just kind of like part of life. And like people will go through challenges. And act isn't a way in which You're not suffering through it, but you're like accepting it and finding ways to kind of get through those difficult periods and things like that. Right. So it's very much about psychological flexibility, very much about just v building a fulfilling life in general, which is why I like it because you can kind of take it as just a human, but also as an athlete, right? ⁓ and so I like combining it with psychological skills. For example, like goal setting imagery and and you know, pre performance routines, things like that, because it takes a much more like practical approach, which I feel like athletes like. Does that make sense? speaker-0: Yes. Again, like it's what I've been talking about all episode, which makes sense. Like we had so much structure. We always had so much structure. And so I like the fact that yours is gonna be almost this like very tangible structured thing that you can like think through and work through. ⁓ 'cause I feel like athletes tend to be very like analytical too, right? Of like if X equals Y, blah, blah, blah. You know, so it's like I know I have to do X, Y, and Z and it's gonna help me get. to this point. Again, it's like the goal setting, the steps. So I like that. speaker-1: Yeah. And a lot of people will talk about like towards moves and away moves. So it's like, what actions are you taking to move towards that fulfilling life that you want, like based on like the values that that you've kind of set in place for yourself versus are you doing like away moves and look it it is very much the self-awareness, right? It's like taking a step back and saying, like, okay, is this action actually helping me like build a better, you know, more fulfilling life? Or Is it giving me like anxiety or is this what's what's really like causing my problems, you know? ⁓ and so when we talk about like psychological flexibility, there's there's really like six core processes of act. And so we would look at acceptance, diffusion, contact with the present moment, values, committed action, and self as contact, self as context, which is a little bit of a weird one, but I'll still get into it. So it's gonna be different for every person, right? Like you want everything to be tailored to that individual because no one's gonna have the same experiences, no one's gonna have the same thoughts or feelings around certain situations. And so that's something that I've very much put into this program. It's like, no, no, this is gonna be for you. Like we're and we're not just gonna like sit back and chat. Like we're gonna be actively doing things because again, athletes are very just active oriented people. It's like And we need to lean into that. ⁓ and they ⁓ again, you wanna see results, it's not gonna happen overnight. You can't guarantee that it's gonna get better, but at the same time, like we're gonna work towards something together and and try to try to make it better, right? But so if we look at like acceptance, for example, like I think that is such a great idea when we are talking about the retirement aspect of a career, right? So it's like you can't avoid the fact that you are retiring. Like it it's coming. It's gonna happen, you know? speaker-0: Yeah, you're not gonna unless you're playing golf professionally, like you were not gonna be playing 'til you're sixty, seventy, eighty. Like I'm sorry, you know. speaker-1: And especially like at the level that you were playing at. Like it's gonna end eventually. So, like from the accept acceptance standpoint, it's very much just like fully embracing that period of your career and kind of like living in that moment and and knowing it's gonna happen. But like even before you actually do retire, it's like, okay, I accept that this is gonna happen. Like, what am I gonna like actively do to kind of make it into you know, more of like a positive situation. Then like all of these can kind of like go together, right? So then you have like diffusion, which is very much about your thoughts, right? And we've talked about this before a little bit, but so many times and so often like your thinking just gets in the way of everything that you do. And I'm still guilty of that, like from a day to day basis. speaker-0: I like overthink everything. Yeah. Like I was trying to buy flights yesterday. I'm like, why am I overthinking this? speaker-1: Just do it. Just freaking do it. speaker-0: I mean what if? Like speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ but yeah, again, if we're looking at retirement, it's like if you're just super worried about about retirement and you're just like totally fusing to those thoughts, it might get in the way of like how you're playing at that time, even before you finish. ⁓ and so it's like you really have to just ask yourself, like, is focusing on these thoughts going to get me to where I want to be? Like it it sometimes it can just be as simple as that. ⁓ and there's also contact with the present moment, which I love because that is just very much engaging in the here and now, like this moment right here. ⁓ not like honing in on the past or like just worrying about your future. It's like, no, no, what is happening literally right now? Tell me. ⁓ and it's funny because like when you talk to players and be like, okay, like what are you thinking about right now? Like what like speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ speaker-1: What are you feeling? And they'll say something about the past, they'll say something about the future and won't say a single thing about the present, right? And I think it's just so telling. And it's like, no, no, what's happening right now? Yeah. And then also values and committed action kind of go together, which are super, super important. And that's the whole reason I named it Aligned Performance Coaching is because the whole kind of base of the of the act is. needing to align your values with your actions. Like that's huge. And that's the big kind of the biggest part of it. It's like, what is really important to you? And how are you going to actively work towards that? And it sounds so simple, but half the time people are like, ⁓ I've never really thought about that. speaker-0: haven't. I'll tell you right now. speaker-1: All right, Anya, right now, right here, right now. What are some core values that you can now take into your life? What what is important to you truly? speaker-0: ⁓ I think like like relationships are really important to me. Mm-hmm. Like family, friendships, really important to me. ⁓ just having those like close connections with people and like people you're able to rely on. ⁓ so how can I take that value of relationships and I speaker-1: Like in the next couple days, like what can you actively do to kind of like work towards that value of family and relationships? speaker-0: I think I can call my friends and family a little more often and like just check in a little bit more because I'm I'm sometimes really bad about that of like just just see like what's up, like how are you doing? Like sometimes I feel like I just get so like lot lost in a lot of different things that are going on in my life and then I'm like, ⁓ I love these people, but I don't know what they're doing. Like, how's their past month been? type of thing. speaker-1: Great. See, how easy is that? But also it's it can almost be like, okay, at this time of the day, I'm gonna reach out to somebody. Yeah. Like whether that be relative, friend, whatever, and just like see how they're doing. Yep. It's that simple. It's not hard, guys. ⁓ but sometimes you just need someone to like prompt it. You know what I mean? speaker-0: Really easy. Yeah. Thank you for that. You're welcome. Holy shoot, I really got speaker-1: That has been that's it. No, that's the program. ⁓ But no, yeah, I think the last one is a little tricky ⁓ with self as context. And it it there's almost like a little bit of a philosophical side to it that I almost don't want to go into it, but basically it's like seeing your thoughts as thoughts, if that makes sense. So like almost separating yourself and being like. This isn't like a fact in the world. It's truly just me. It's my mind coming up with something. You know what I mean? Whether that's true or not. It's literally just your mind coming up with it. And so it's almost you'd work on developing more of like a noticing self is what they call it. So it's like saying things like, I notice I'm having the thought that blah, blah, blah. So it's it's kind of taking it being like Right. It's like almost taking like, ⁓ my mind is saying that, not necessarily like me as a truth. Right. Exactly. So that's kind of the whole model of practice behind it. And then it's basically taking all of those kind of core processes and again applying it to those psychological skills or mental skills. And so it could be like linking Goal setting, self-awareness, dealing with the performance anxiety, developing routines, forming confidence. And so it's taking all those processes and just putting those together, combining them and making it more tangible for for people to to use and like every day, right? So that's the goal. And I love it. speaker-0: I it. I'm so excited for it. I love it. I think it's gonna be great. Like I kinda wish I had something like this to leverage during college and then after right after college too. Right. ⁓ so like where where can people find find your aligned performance coaching or app? speaker-1: We've got a website. We've got a website. It is www.alignedpc.com. Also can email me at Payton at aligned pc.com as well. P-E-Y-T-O-N, guys. Not P A Y. Clarify. P-E-Y. The more superior version of naming Peyton. ⁓ Sorry, just had to get that in there. ⁓ Yeah, no, I'm so excited. It'll be launching this week. So yeah. If if coaches have any, you know, players that are coming in freshman year and think like, ⁓ this might be good to just, you know, get them more prepared. Or, you know, if a parent's like, ⁓ yeah, we need to work on some things before we before we go into this huge change. Because let's be honest, it is a huge change. Yeah. Like, let's let we're not gonna sugarcoat it. It's it's tough, y'all. So And if there's any players that, you know, have just retired and are like, ooh, I'm kind of don't know how to deal with this, this program's pretty helpful, I think. So yeah. Just a quick speaker-0: That would be wonderful. The APK guys. The apukh, apk. ⁓ speaker-1: ⁓ that's that song. Wait, I should like use that. A L G N E D. speaker-0: In case anyone didn't know how to spell. A-L-I-G-N-E-D-P-C. Alright. See you guys next week. Bye. speaker-1: Bye guys.