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Design Your Dreamgirl: From Phone Sex to Camming with Pepper Kat · The Kink Consultant

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It's a King Consultant podcast where we're turning up the heat
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on all things kink and dating, relationships and pop culture.
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So close the door, plug in your headphones, and let's get down
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to it. Hello and welcome to this week's
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episode of the Kink Consultant Podcast.
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I am here this week with Pepper Cat, who I had the pleasure of
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being on her podcast 1st and I am super excited.
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We had such a fun conversation. I was like, we really need to do
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this the other way. So thank you for joining.
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Pepper Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.
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Of course. Well, after our first
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conversation, I was like, well let's keep this going and our
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episode already came out right it.
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Did it? Did.
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So Pepper, you are a content creator slash pro and people can
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find you. I want to get this at the top of
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the episode because I love this name at designyourdreamgirl.com.
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Right. Yes.
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What an appealing name. Like sometimes people say to me,
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oh, the King consultant great name when I and now I get it
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because when I was a designer dream girl, I was like, the
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fuck, tell me everything. So can you tell me a little bit
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more about it? Because you you have a lot of
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offerings there. Yeah, yeah.
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So basically I wanted to start a customize fantasy experience for
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my customers. So it it basically involves
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packages. If somebody wants a video chat
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package or a custom fantasy package or a messaging all in
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one. And it's it's basically a safe
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place for you to explore your desires and not feel ashamed of
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your sexuality and ashamed for having fantasies.
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And yeah, it's my personal and people love it so far.
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That's basically where the name came from.
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It's just a customized adult naughty experience with my fans.
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I. Love that because it just
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automatically gives permission out the game.
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It's like permission to tell me what you want and we'll see if
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we could make it work. You have like a niche like a do
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you that people come find you for more than other things.
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Yeah, so I actually have a film background, so I do a lot of
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visual erotica. It's basically storytelling solo
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shows. But I also incorporate like
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sound effects and music and different types of content that
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you wouldn't normally see an adult content.
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And it basically is like mini films, like chronicle episodes
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of different kinks. But I mainly do vanilla.
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A little bit of breed play is another one that I do a lot of
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submissive work. I do do a couple of domination,
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but not but not much. But yeah, so that's basically
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what I do in terms of content. It sounds highly curated if
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you're paying attention to the music and I guess the lighting
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and the visuals of it, as opposed to just like this is the
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moment that I'm capturing it sounds like there's a lot.
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It's layered then. OK, Yeah.
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So when you say replay content, what is that?
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Replay content is basically the fantasy of getting pregnant or
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the the fantasy of the process of it.
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So sex without a condom, the feeling of if I can be graphic
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on here, yeah. No OK please be as graphic.
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This is my place for graphic information so please.
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Be as. Graphic as you can be.
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Because it's not Instagram, it's not TikTok.
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I want it real. Right.
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So it's basically the feeling of like come shooting in inside of
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you. So.
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So when I do the content, a lot of times some people are
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technical, like they want me to say, oh, the penis inside of the
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vagina and give me sperm. But then some are more like, oh,
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you know, breed me or get me pregnant.
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And what's funny is that the content recently got more
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popular. So adult content always shows
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trends in society. And so my content got popular
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when Elon Musk started talking about the population.
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And since there's been a lot of conversation around the
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population and pregnancy, I've seen my content get more
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popular. And so that's really interesting
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with just like doing this content and seeing what certain
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types of content gets popular based on what's happening in
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real life. So OK, that's the trend right
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now. That's.
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Fucking terrifying. I didn't know where exactly
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where we were going to go today, but we're going right here.
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Pepper OK, Because because that's terrifying for a couple
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of reasons. Overall, we know that in the US,
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there's been more of a move towards young men becoming
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religious because they're grasping for control and they're
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choosing religions where men are typically more in control.
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That's why the Catholic religion is booming right now because,
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you know, women can't even be in charge, right?
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It is equally interesting at like it's equally equal parts
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interesting and terrifying that a breeding kink, A kink that I
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would say I have and anyone who's listened to the podcast
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knows that intimately that I have a breeding kink.
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But to know that that is what is really surging right now.
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In the same way that like cuckolding also blew up when
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people were calling everyone cucks in a political sense, you
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know what I mean? And now this is a whole other
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side, which, you know, breeding kink is the ultimate fantasy
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because what costs more than children?
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Like it's a fantasy because you have to be fucking rich to have
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kids. So I'm just.
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Like. Easy for Elon Musk to talk about
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how we're having a population crisis.
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Yeah. We're having a child care
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crisis. We're having a survival crisis,
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like a health insurance crisis, all of the things.
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And it is fascinating that the breeding kink is kicking off
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right now. So, like, it might just be that
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Peppercat's saying at first that's that's the next big kink
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of 2025. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be
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surprised. Well, like you're a professional
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in the space and you're just calling out a trend that you
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were noticing right now. Do you isn't more talk based
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when you're talking about it or like when you make this content,
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what do you lean in on? Yeah, it's.
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More of the verbal or like the more of the process like, oh,
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hey babe, can we not use a condom today?
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And you know, can you get me pregnant?
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And just like different scenarios that won't really come
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true, but people may have like the naughty neighbor that gets
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breeded by such and such or the pizza guy who comes over and
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breeds me. So like I always do like a POV
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of of that and then like the verbal in terms of me getting
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pregnant and filling me up and. Stuff like that.
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Yeah. That's really hot.
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And you sound so sweet saying it.
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And I like, I imagine that your approach is really gentle and
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sweet, too. It is, yeah.
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I mean, design your dream girl. Dream girl is.
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It can be super sweet, nice, and I think for a lot of people it
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is, which is once again why I'm obsessed with your name.
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I think it's solid. Thank you.
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How long have you been doing this for?
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I've been doing this part well full time for almost three
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years, but a total of 4 because I was a news producer for about
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3 years and then I did it part time like live camming on the
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side while I was producing and then I quit my job.
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I people don't know that a lot of news producers like make
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minimum wage like it's, it's like we can't even afford
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groceries and rent. And then we also do a lot of
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work on top of that. And so it, it just became a
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really stressful environment. And I wanted to be more creative
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and also get paid more and travel.
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And so then I just quit. And I said, hey, this is this is
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going to be my route. And now I incorporate my
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background in film and journalism with my podcast too.
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And I do what I want and I can still be creative but also earn
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more. So that's how I got into it.
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Yeah. And that's a.
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Long ending into you're expanding into a lot of
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different mediums like including the podcast Spicy Spectrum.
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So you're really expanding and quickly too.
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We didn't actually talk about your work in journalism.
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I was never a journalist. I wasn't working in that field.
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What but except I was I was training customer service
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globally for the Wall Street Journal way back in the day,
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right. And then in order to make ends
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meet because I couldn't afford to pay my rent on that, I was a
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dominatrix in the evenings. I was like moonlighting is one
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right? What is the news media to any
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type of sex work pipeline of like it's hard to make it in
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journalism or that world. They're not paying and this is a
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good way to supplement it until you realize this is the fun job
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with better pay. No, yeah.
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So there's actually, which I'm gonna like, I'm not gonna say
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too much, but a lot of people who work in journalism actually
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do some sort of sex work on the side, which I feel like a lot of
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women or just people in general may have some like side thing
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like, you know, with like phone sex or something like that.
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Yeah. But yeah, I mean, even when I
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was there, there were people who were also doing what I do.
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But then they, I mean, like, they didn't do it like full time
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or anything. But I found that it was quite
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easy because a lot of the things I do now is what I did in news.
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I pre post content, I put it on a schedule, I produce, I write
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scripts. It's the same thing.
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It's just more raunchy obviously.
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But I mean, it's the same process of producing content and
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doing content plans. And yeah, so like.
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Skill set, different job, which is quite common in fact, that
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you've just unlocked a memory of.
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Back when I was doming, I was at a dungeon in New York City and
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one day a woman came in and she, she'd just gotten a job there at
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the dungeon. And the next day I noticed her
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on the same floor as me at work. She was a journalist.
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And I was so freaking nervous. Like I called the owner of the
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dungeon to be like, look, I work here at the Wall Street Journal.
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That's a journalist you've employed.
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So they just called her and told her never to come back because
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I've been there a year. It was obvious I was not a
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journalist and trying to like, I really worked there.
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So they fired her. But like, now you're making me
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think, was she there to just actually make money?
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And I got this girl fired, but I was so nervous.
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She was writing a story. But more than that, I think she
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really was writing a story because this woman had zero
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actual interest in doing the job.
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And that was obvious too. So like, but it's funny that you
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said that. I'm like, oh, I may have may
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have like blocked some woman's money making side hustle, but it
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is what it is now. I'm sorry, Angela really wanted
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to be a dumb. But then a year later an article
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came out in the New York Post describing what it was like to
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work at that dungeon. And I just couldn't help but
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feel that woman may have written the article even though it
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wasn't her name on the byline. I'm like, how many reporters for
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a News Corp company are actually working at this one dungeon?
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Probably her. And she sat on the story until
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50 Shades of Grey came out. And then she gave, she wrote
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like what it was like to work in a New York dungeon.
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Just, I'd only been there for 48 hours, like before getting
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fired. Anyway, that's.
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Actually crazy. That's really funny.
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So that we're talking 12 years ago, that's when that was for
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me. I think what's interesting is so
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much easier now with only fans, loyal fans.
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There are so many more opportunities to work in this
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space than there were back in the day.
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I mean, there are so many options.
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Like I, I do phone sex, content creation and I also do like only
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fans and then I do indie clip sites.
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I mean, there's just so many things online that you can take
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advantage of. I just do it all and it does
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make things easy where I can be at home and not have to leave my
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house and make money and make it in so many different ways.
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Absolutely. I mean, none of that stuff
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existed back in the day. I wonder if I would have been
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more or less likely to engage in it.
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Being a dominatrix was. So the moment existed, just in
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that moment. So there was no recording of
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what I was doing. There's no digital footprint
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except me talking about it openly now.
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So there would have been more risk with my job maybe if there
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was a chance of people seeing it.
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But I do think it's it's a catch 22 of it's accessible to more
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people, but also the impact is greater and you have a higher
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chance of getting caught maybe by a job that could fire you for
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being on it. I have never done phone sex.
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Like we're just is it like a random person calls you?
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It's so funny. I've been a Dom.
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I know how to do dirty talk. I know how to do Dom sex stuff
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in that realm, but like I had a chance to talk to people and be
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like, hey, what kind of scene do you want?
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Like let's talk about it. How do you navigate phone sex?
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Like beginning to end. I want to know everything.
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Yes. So phone sex is still popular.
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I get college kids. I get all types of people
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calling. But basically we have our own
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lines and we have like a sexy recording.
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It's about 15 to 30 seconds while the person is trying to
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choose the woman that he wants in the certain category.
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And then he'll call and then I'll get notified.
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And we basically get paid by minute.
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So typically, I mean, it can range from $1.00 to $5 per
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minute. And people just call.
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They'll call for a quickie or somebody may just want to stay
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on the phone for like an hour and just rant about work or
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problems in their lives. We just sit there and get paid.
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Yeah. So listen, I love that.
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It's pretty crazy are. You like ever edging people on
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the call? Be like, let me get a full hour
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out of this. Oh, yeah.
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I, like always stretch it like, hey, how are you?
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What did you do today? And so I just, you know, build
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it up. I don't just jump into, like,
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the sexual pleasure. Yeah.
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And it's funny because some people will like, be in their
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closets or something or like close to their spouses on the
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phone. Like they, it's just like really
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crazy just to see the length people will go to like get off
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and how they do it and them just being bold and naughty on the
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phone. I know, right?
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It's such a mix of it's like, is this the only time and place you
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can fit this in and that's why you're talking to me right now
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versus are you just trying to push boundaries and that's why
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you're in bed next to your spouse right now?
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Like what? Which part of that is true?
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Right. I feel like they get off on it
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too, like the ones who do it next to their spouse, like
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almost like they can get away with it or something.
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And like, I only hear the wife in the background, like snoring
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or making noise or, you know, my gosh, crazy.
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That sounds crazy, I mean, but also fascinating, right?
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And it's not stuff that I don't know because honestly, when
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people would come into sessions, they would talk to me a lot
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about their spouse, right? So I think the person, the
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spouse can sort of represent the lack of freedom.
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And then it's fun to bring that in just like, what a fuck you to
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do that in bed next to someone who it's like you don't have as
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much control over me as you think thing.
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I don't know psychology conversation for another day,
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but I know a lot of my listeners like to know these things.
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Do you have any really crazy phone sex stories of like the
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most random thing you've been asked or even the most mundane
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thing that you couldn't believe someone was paying you to talk
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about? Oh my God, it's been so much
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like the first time I started. I think it was the first week I
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got traumatized. I mean, I don't know how much
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you want to hear. Everything.
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So my very first call was this guy and he like took his wife's
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panties and took a poop and so he basically.
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I'm out of time. I want to get this right.
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You're you're dropping this nonchalantly.
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He took his wife pants his wife's panties and then he
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pooped. Did he poop in the toilet or is
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the poop gonna come back at a later part of this story?
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In her panties? OK in her.
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Panties It was kind of like he wanted.
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It was like a mommy roll play like oh like mommy.
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I went poopy in my panties and he was crying and I felt bad
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because I'm a really nice person but he wanted me to degrade him
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and call him names and like shame him because he just got
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off on it and I made him cry and I felt so sad at the end and
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really shocked too. Good for you.
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Though that's impressive. Do you remember what you said to
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make him cry? That, like, pushed him over the
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edge. I think I told him he was
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pathetic for having to pay me to poop in his wife's panties.
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Oh my God, yeah, it was so me. But yeah, like I had made him
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cry and and then he got off and hung up.
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It was really crazy. And then there were some other
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things too. But yeah, like that was the most
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crazy. So crazy because some people
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love to be shamed for that specific thing.
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Also people who listen to the podcast know.
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Even said this on multiple podcasts like others as well.
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I can't engage with poop. At all.
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It just, it is such a limit for me because I'm grossed out by
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it. Like I've joked, I don't even
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like that I poop. I don't like talking about it,
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someone having to have a conversation about somebody
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else's. I'm like, no, thank you.
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But I love that you had that experience because I would never
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be able to have that experience. I'd be like, you need to talk to
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somebody else. Because I was like one of my
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very first calls. Damn.
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Wow, you're definitely in the shop then.
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I. Was like, this is crazy because
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you don't know the secret lives that people have or the secret
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fantasies and everyone looks so normal.
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But I'm like sure you know this too.
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Then like you look at the world like wow, like people have so
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many fantasies that you don't always know they could look
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totally normal and just. Be they're pooping in their
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wifes panties at night. Yeah, I know and there's zero
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shame in it. It's just it's what's
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interesting about it is as everyone knows, I say not all
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kink comes from trauma, but some of it does.
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And something as specific as what you just described tells me
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something happened when he was younger that led him to feel
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like. This is also why I really
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enjoyed being a Dom because that's what I'm saying you just
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had to jump in and roll with the punches of what it was.
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Whereas that would be when I would have my meat session where
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we were talking out how the scene was going to go.
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I would be able to ask questions like, did this happen to you as
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a child? You know, I would have time to
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get into the intricacies of how they possibly got here.
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That was part of the fulfilling work for me.
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So it's kind of hard. Like, of course, you were
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traumatized. You had no time to process.
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Yeah, true. Like it's just, it just
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happened. I mean, sometimes I'll ask
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people, like people who have really taboo fantasies that are
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socially unacceptable, I'll ask out of curiosity, like, hey, you
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know what? How did you get into, for
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example, incest fantasies? Yeah, tell me the truth.
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That's like, it can be dark too. And it's like, I guess that's a
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dark side too, is what you said? Is that like trauma and how some
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people have kinks based on their past and.
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And that's how they process. That's just how they process it.
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And a lot of people do process that way.
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I'm a mixed bag of like some of my my spanking fetish Born This
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Way, not something that happened that caused it.
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Other kinks, maybe some humiliation stuff.
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I don't love it, but I can definitely trace it back to
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like, oh, I know why I feel this way about it, you know?
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Ever get one that actually turns you on?
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Have you ever gotten a call where you're like, wait, this is
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totally my jam, that. Usually happens like on Cam
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calls, which is like the same thing.
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It's just on camera sometimes, I'm not gonna lie.
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Like if the person is attractive or, you know, it's somebody
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who's easy on the eye, it makes it easier for me to get turned
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on by doing something on camera. Yeah, just naturally.
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Logical. Yes, yeah.
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Or like their voice may be attractive.
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There's just chemistry. I mean, sometimes certain
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customers you have more chemistry just naturally.
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And like in life. Yeah.
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And so like, that's how I typically get turned on by that.
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Or like, if it's like masturbation or something where
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I'm actually having an orgasm, then, well, yeah.
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No brain, right? Yeah, I think even that's a good
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point that I don't want to gloss over.
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There are all types of men. There are young men, old men,
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like hot guys who you would think, oh, they don't need to do
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this, but they're doing it right.
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And I think that really bucks everyone's perception of what
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sex work is or what phone sex is.
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They think, oh, this is just for people who can't get it on their
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own. And it's like, no, there are
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people who enjoy this and you'd probably think they don't need
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it. And that is also the point.
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They don't. They choose it.
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Yeah, I mean also there is well known, not share, but like there
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I've encountered well known people who can get anyone and
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they choose to Cam with me, you know?
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It's just because it's such a unique experience to have your
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fantasies played out. It just shows you that we're all
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human and horny. So absolutely, at the end of the
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day, attractive, rich, poor, you know.
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There are all walks of life are interested in these things, and
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it's crazy that we even try to pretend they're not, you know,
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like, it's sort of like, oh, this type of stuff is just for
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certain weird people. And that's the biggest lie
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because it's for everyone and everyone is availing of it.
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Maybe not like 100% of the population, but way more than
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you think. Oh yeah.
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And like, I mean, it's like normal people too.
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Like it's their, it's your teachers, it's your neighbors.
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Oh yeah, like. Pastors like it's everyone.
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Think pastors, I think people like to think, oh, no one I know
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would do that, right? But it's like, no, actually
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everybody you know is doing it like, right.
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Statistically. Speaking way more chance of
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that. Yeah, it's crazy because I'll
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think back into college because I obviously I can with guys in
21:55
college. And so now I'm thinking back
21:58
when I was in college and I'm like, oh, my friends were
22:00
probably on Cam lines. I don't know, you know, camming
22:04
with some women and their dorms or something.
22:07
It's just, it just makes me rethink life and how people had
22:11
probably had a secret life that now I know.
22:15
Oh absolutely. I also like to play the game of
22:18
like, what's their kink? What's their fetish?
22:20
What's their interest? Because it's like, my thing is,
22:23
you have no idea. I think I will stand on this for
22:27
life. Way more men are wearing women's
22:29
lingerie than you even think. So if you work in an office, if
22:33
you're at the hospital, the doctor, someone, a man you've
22:36
seen today is wearing women's panties.
22:39
That is so true, thank. You that is.
22:42
So true, they love it. Yeah, I get a lot.
22:46
Of funny, yeah. I get a lot of women who call me
22:49
for consultations and they'll tell like my husband is a
22:52
crossdresser and you know, when I dig in a little bit, it's that
22:55
they enjoy wearing women's panties.
22:56
And I'm not going to categorize someone as a crossdresser or
22:58
not. Like that is not my job.
23:00
It's like how they identify and what they want to call
23:02
themselves. But my point is part of my job,
23:04
I feel is to normalize this for the women.
23:06
And I'm like, I know that can be very jarring or very shocking.
23:09
I really want you to understand that this is much more common
23:11
than you think. And then understanding that this
23:14
is not this out there thing that nobody else is doing and that
23:16
their husbands are not quote UN quote freaks or weirdos or
23:19
perverts does help A a little bit.
23:21
But that's why just it's important to get that message
23:23
out there. A man you've seen today is
23:25
likely wearing panties under whatever his clothes are.
23:29
It's true. Or a dildo or some vibrating
23:33
thing in their ass or something. You know, someone's probably
23:37
trying to control it. Something is inserted somewhere,
23:41
yeah. You just never know for.
23:43
Women too, in fact, go to a nice restaurant and just know that
23:48
someone in that restaurant is having the time of their lives
23:51
and it has nothing to do with the food.
23:53
Yeah, and I mean, I've even done it with my partners and had
23:56
vibrating panties at dinner and, you know, had him push the
24:00
button, you know? I know everyone's a.
24:03
Freak. The only note there is if you
24:07
have something vibrating inside of you, don't sit in the booth
24:10
side, sit on the chair side because other people could feel
24:13
that. Exactly, Yeah.
24:15
But no shame in that game. It's kind of fun.
24:18
It's sort of that go to the bathroom, take off your panties
24:20
and bring them back to anything. But it's a level up from that
24:23
because you got dressed at home and or, you know, you go to the
24:26
bathroom and put it in and then come sexy.
24:29
Yeah. So as you think about your
24:30
business now, like obviously you've been in it for a while.
24:34
Has it grown in a direction you weren't anticipating and do you
24:37
have plans to grow it in the future in a different direction
24:40
than where you are now? I.
24:42
Plan to be consistent, for example, with my podcast, which
24:46
has helped with my sex work in a way, it's kind of like, I don't
24:51
know, people just like to listen to my voice and I've just found
24:54
a way to be authentic and show different sides of myself on
24:59
camera or through my voice. But yeah, I didn't expect to
25:03
make Design Your Dream Girl or expand my brand and just learn
25:08
more into the business side of it.
25:11
But that's where I ended up. And I'm glad I can add my
25:15
background and TV into what I do and media and still do what I
25:21
studied in school. At the end of the day, hopefully
25:25
I can eventually with Design Your Dream Girl be in the
25:29
background and turn it into an actual website to have people
25:33
join and work on and want to be behind the scenes and the few.
25:38
Want to be the behind the scenes?
25:39
Oh, that makes a lot of sense. So the content is still being
25:42
created, not all by you, but by other people.
25:44
Well, you've got a solid name. So that's a great start.
25:47
And then I also think it's funny, I think when people talk
25:50
to creators like us, even though we create differently, right?
25:53
I didn't have a plan coming into this.
25:55
Like I was building a social media following and people were
25:57
asking me like, well, what are you going to do with this?
25:59
And I'm like, I don't fucking know.
26:00
But like, let's start here and go from there.
26:02
And it sounds like your journey has been a little bit the same.
26:04
You were like, OK, let's start putting this stuff out there,
26:07
get paid. And now it's almost like you're
26:09
forced to turn it into a real brand because you are, in the
26:12
most positive way, a victim of your own success.
26:14
You're like, oh shit, this is getting big.
26:15
Now I've got to start categorizing, organizing,
26:18
building. No, yeah, I definitely had to
26:21
find my brand and what works for me and just take it seriously,
26:26
especially because people think that content creation, whether
26:29
it's naughty or not, everyone thinks it's easy and and it's
26:34
not a lot of. No, I obsess over what's my
26:39
hook, Am I energetic throughout? Do I sound flat anywhere?
26:43
Do you have those moments too? Because your contents a little
26:45
bit. It's gonna be longer than mine.
26:47
It's like 30 plus minutes on camera talking to myself.
26:50
So I have to actually do like voice exercises and everything.
26:54
I mean, I, I just, I just take it seriously.
26:57
But yeah, same. You know, I always critique
26:59
myself. I think that taking it seriously
27:02
is half the battle. If you take yourself seriously,
27:04
you're gonna put about higher performing content because
27:07
you're holding yourself to some type of standard.
27:09
But also it's so interesting. I didn't even think about doing
27:12
vocal exercises. I just think how do I sound as
27:14
excited as possible for 3A3 minute video?
27:18
I do not know how you do it by the way.
27:20
I just want to call out like I understand we're do different
27:23
content. I'm talking about educational
27:24
Instagram videos. You were talking about sexy
27:27
content that do you do customs or are you doing a mix of is
27:31
this all customs or is some of it for the more general public
27:34
on only fans as teasers? For the majority, they're videos
27:38
for the public, but I do do customs if someone, like, buys a
27:42
video and then they want me to make some weird video or
27:45
something for them. Yeah, we're taking a lot of
27:47
weird requests for those, too. Oh.
27:49
My gosh, I'm Do you ever do episodes where you just talk
27:52
about all the weird requests you get?
27:53
No, but I should. That's a good idea.
27:55
Oh, please. Yeah, please do this.
27:57
The work I do is coaching, so there's like a confidentiality
28:00
about it, but your work is so general and a lot of people
28:03
might have the same interests so.
28:05
Exactly. It's normalizing to know, like,
28:07
oh, I'm not the only one wearing women's panties.
28:10
Right. But that takes me back to like,
28:13
is it normalizing to know that other people are pooping in
28:17
their wives panties, which I don't condone because it's not
28:20
totally consensual, you know, like, yeah.
28:22
And then like the fluid, you may get like an infection because,
28:25
you know, the vaginas. Yeah, sensitive.
28:28
I know, And not to get too stupidly technical, but, you
28:31
know, my nicest panties, I'm not washing on a hot wash because
28:36
they're my nice panties that I don't want to make right.
28:39
They're going through a cold wash.
28:40
They're getting hung dry. Like not going in my dryer.
28:43
You made a good point. OK.
28:45
Yeah. And it's not to shame people's
28:46
kings, obviously. It's more just like when you're
28:48
doing things like this, it matters to, you know, go buy
28:52
your own panties. There's no shame in that game
28:54
either. Yeah, sure.
28:55
Play pretend. Because now I'm thinking.
28:56
About like some of my favorite panties that have gone missing
28:59
and I'm like, did a man pocket those after a night out?
29:02
Like, I also hear so many stories about men taking
29:04
panties, so there's that, yeah. Yeah, I mean, now that I've been
29:08
doing this, there are just certain things I just don't do.
29:11
I don't trust men around my panties when I'm not home, or
29:15
like anyone for the matter, but especially men.
29:18
I don't like sit on everyone's couches because I've seen people
29:22
like couch. It's just like things that you
29:24
just see that changes your perception of what you do.
29:28
I hadn't even thought about that.
29:29
And the panties, this big one, it's.
29:31
Really funny you say that because well, first of all, my
29:34
house is not clean right now. So not dirty, but it's just like
29:37
my clothes are everywhere. All of my clean laundry is in a
29:40
laundry basket that has not been put away.
29:41
But I just had an exterminator here today.
29:45
I trust him fully, right? But I was like, I met him.
29:48
He I showed him the house and I said I actually have to go work
29:51
right now. I'm seeing a client.
29:53
So just like do your thing and see yourself out.
29:56
And I'm like, I don't fucking know if he was in my panties or
29:58
not. I mean, he definitely.
30:00
You never know. No, you don't.
30:02
And that's kind of like a part of the spice of life.
30:04
The spice. Yes, spectrum.
30:06
It's true. I mean, it's just things that
30:08
just I'm not, I'm not condoning it.
30:10
It's just things, you know, things just happen.
30:13
That's not harmful or anything, but like, you know, things
30:16
happen where people just. I think if a camera followed me
30:18
around 24/7, I'd definitely be judged about stuff like that
30:22
one. Not even gonna tell you how long
30:23
that clean laundry has been in that basket, but we're talking
30:25
weeks I've been living out of the basket.
30:28
And then like, there's the other end of that where it's like, oh,
30:30
someone's fucking their couch. You know where?
30:32
Yeah. Or fucking a spatula or just a
30:36
lot of things. Yeah, that that that used to.
30:38
And it's common too. But yeah, I just have like a
30:40
whole different mindset I guess after.
30:42
Working at the dungeon, I definitely developed a different
30:44
mindset. Now working with couples as a
30:46
coach, it's an amazing experience to be able to get to
30:50
talk to both people in the relationship.
30:52
Talking to them separately, bringing them together, getting
30:54
both sides of the story is such a mind fuck experience because I
30:58
understand where the men are coming from.
30:59
I understand where the women are coming from because they're
31:02
learning these things that to them are so foreign, but to me,
31:05
it's quite common, right? And then to help them bridge the
31:08
gap and like find the common ground where they can both
31:10
explore what they're interested in together.
31:12
It is so different from when I was a Dom because I only got one
31:15
side of the story. So now I'm completing the
31:17
picture. But like, to your point about
31:19
all of these things, it's not really harmful as long as it's
31:21
consensual. But you could be sleeping in the
31:23
same bed as someone for 20 years and still not know.
31:26
And that's what really messes with my brain.
31:29
That's the crazy part too. I agree.
31:32
Like people live double lives and they get away with it too.
31:35
And they tell us every. Triple lives triple.
31:37
Lives, yeah. And they do tell us everything.
31:40
I know it's such a privilege and but it also it is.
31:44
But it changes the way you think about things too, because you no
31:46
longer have the luxury of pretending this stuff isn't out
31:49
there. And it does changes how I view
31:51
relationships. It changes how I date.
31:53
It changes my trust level at times.
31:55
Me too. Yeah, I agree.
31:57
It's like the fantasy is gone and then you just see like for
32:01
what it is, which is a blessing and a curse I guess.
32:04
It is in part because we are meeting people from all walks of
32:07
life, right? Sometimes I go between, oh,
32:10
well, if they're coming to talk to me as when I was a dominatrix
32:13
or the work I do now, there's already a quote, UN quote
32:16
problem or they're not having their needs met.
32:18
But the truth is if they're going to you and they're from
32:20
all walks of life, it doesn't even imply there's any issue
32:23
that they want to work through. It's literally just they want to
32:25
have this experience. And that's the point.
32:27
So many people want to have these different experiences, but
32:30
we're not talking about it openly.
32:32
So that leads to people needing to live the double lives or the
32:35
triple lives, Yeah, because there's a lot of stigma.
32:38
I agree. So Pepper Cat, I love your
32:40
website, it is beautiful. I highly recommend everybody
32:43
goes to designyourdreamgirl.com and when you go there, Pepper,
32:47
you are selling a very interesting item on there.
32:50
Tell everyone, what are you selling?
32:51
Pepper? Yeah.
32:53
So I am selling my bath water. It's not made for consumption,
32:59
though. It's just something that you can
33:01
keep, you know, you can just keep for yourself that it
33:04
reminds you of me and my sense and what I smell like, because
33:08
people like to buy bath water from us.
33:12
And that's one of the items that I sell.
33:14
And I have like a special video. I have like 1000 questions
33:18
actually. Number one, for legal purposes.
33:20
When you talk about it, do you have to say it's not for
33:22
consumption? Yeah, OK.
33:24
Like when you said I was like, wait, what?
33:27
OK, Yeah. You'll you'll be surprised what
33:30
people do with. Now that we have the legal side
33:32
out of the way, are you really bathing in this water?
33:36
I am and I'll actually show the video to whoever purchases it
33:42
will see me bathing and just submerging myself and scooping
33:47
it out and giving you a sample for you to keep and smell and.
33:51
Smell. OK?
33:52
Great. Open the jar or whatever it
33:54
comes in. Oh yeah, OK.
33:56
How many baths are you taking taking a week to keep up with
33:59
demand? I take one, but I like take
34:03
showers. Obviously not.
34:05
Not no, Just one bath, but yeah. And I bet you make more.
34:09
Limited. Your one bath a week if you were
34:11
like this. Oh yeah.
34:13
The most potent bath water. Oh yeah, I'm sure.
34:17
Yeah, I limit the cells to 10 per month so I won't have to
34:21
like, waste like the water bill and like I have to take baths
34:25
over and over again. Well, you got to keep.
34:26
Supply low to keep demand high, so.
34:29
Right, right. So.
34:30
But I think I'm on to something. If you don't shower for a week
34:33
and then you're like, this is the best water of my entire
34:36
week. I remember that from when I
34:38
worked at the dungeon, there was an etiquette book of how we were
34:40
supposed to act. And one of the things was like
34:42
clients like clean, well kept girls.
34:44
And I was reading this out and everyone burst out laughing
34:47
because it's like, absolutely not.
34:48
They want to smell you. They want to know.
34:50
They want crusty you. They want like the most real
34:53
version of you. That's why they like The Dirty
34:55
panties. Yeah, you know you can wear
34:57
panties for like 4 days and sell them and yeah they they want the
35:00
natural. I've never sold panties, have
35:03
you? Yeah, yeah.
35:05
Do you get? Feedback.
35:06
Do people like contact you to say things about it?
35:09
Yeah, they'll call me on the phone and like, I'm smelling
35:13
your fannies. Yeah, they'll like, they'll like
35:17
snip it on on the phone and I can hear them sniffing it and
35:21
then they'll do other things with the fannies and they'll
35:23
want me to tell them what to do and where to come.
35:28
Nice. Yeah.
35:29
That's the whole experience. Fun.
35:31
I know. I need you to start collecting
35:33
your stories. Or do you ever think you might
35:35
write a book or? Yeah, I think eventually I'll
35:38
write a book. I'm not sure if I'll be like,
35:40
just like, not have my name out there or just be general, but Oh
35:45
yeah, I'm definitely gonna write a book because it's such a
35:48
unique experience. Oh, absolutely.
35:51
Not everyone has. It's fascinating, even as
35:54
someone who worked in the space, hearing your stories are
35:57
fascinating because we all have these different experiences.
36:00
And I wasn't a phone sex girl. I've never done Cam work and
36:04
just learning that experience. As similar as they are, our
36:07
experiences are also very different.
36:09
Yeah, it is. Anyone who wants to check out
36:11
Epicat, go to designyourdreamgirl.com and
36:14
check out her podcast Spicy Spectrum.
36:16
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36:18
Thank you for joining. Thank you.
36:20
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