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Bryson DeChambeau vs Rory McIlroy - Who Has the Edge at The Masters? | MindSets Podcast | Episode 83 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of The Mindsets
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  Podcast, episode 83. Charles.
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  We're in seemingly a new location again.
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  Always a new location. Just Mr. Worldwide, Mr. Mr.
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  Worldwide Misters World having a brain attack.
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  I don't know what's going on. I was trying to.
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  Make start cool. It's a good start.
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  It's a great start. Mail.
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  That was cool. No, it wasn't at all.
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  This time what we're going to do because we didn't get to it so
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  far into last episode that we're going to tell everyone right now
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  what we're talking about today. Nice.
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  So last, I loved it. It was about 25 minutes to get
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  to the fact that we were talking about Kili Hodgkinson's training
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  program. So if you didn't even get that
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  far, we do get there. Go back and have a listen.
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  It's actually quite a good episode.
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  Was that because there's two 2 minute news?
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  Was a 20 minute news. I think, yeah, the two-minute
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  news lasted something like 26 minutes solid from us.
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  So this time we're going to, first of all, do a better job of
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  keeping that down. But second of all, this episode,
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  if you can't already tell by the title, is all about who's better
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  in some ways. Yeah, we've got Bryson de Shambo
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  and Rory McIlroy. Both are squaring up in this
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  episode and they're squaring up. If you're listening to this this
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  weekend, yeah, the weekend that it comes out or the the week
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  that the podcast comes out is the weekend of the Masters.
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  Every golfers fumbling? Yeah, every, every golfers
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  favorite weekend. Isn't it big?
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  Weekend, Yeah, gets to find out who gets to put on a fancy
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  jacket. And obviously Rory won it last
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  year. Bryson's not won it before, No.
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  So they're going to go toe to toe.
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  I think like also they'll probably be lots of eye rolling
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  at the fact that we're going to be talking about golf.
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  It's less about golf and more about the world of training in
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  and around golf. I completely.
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  Forgot Yeah, there are people that are looking for reasons to
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  not listen. So like, stay with us because
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  we're going to talk about training.
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  Yeah, rather than the intricacies of how to play golf.
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  Well, what you might find out from this episode is that you
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  could be really good at golf because you do the similar
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  training. So maybe hold tight, you should
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  leave hybrid rock stars behind and maybe you just go and be on
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  the tour anyway. We are going to get into the
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  thick of it with how we usually do things from this point
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  forward. 2 minute News. Let me set the timer.
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  We're so not keeping this within two minutes.
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  Come on, Challenge. Are you ready?
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  I'm ready. Are you going to start?
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  Yeah. Cool 321 Bosch.
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  No, this isn't news from many, many years ago.
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  Tiger Woods has been done for a DUI.
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  He pleaded not guilty. He has, however, on a separate
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  note, been found to have been driving with pills in his
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  pocket. That's me.
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  Go you. Josh Kerr announced, I think at
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  the beginning of this week that he's going to try and break the
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  world record for the Mile, which is breaking 222 seconds at the
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  kind of back end of this year at the Diamond League.
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  Adam Jamili, one of my favourite ever British sprinters, also
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  announces his retirement this year after like 14 years in the
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  sport. Something like that.
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  On the weekend it was a bird and half marathon guy called Andrea
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  Kiptu from Kenya, 15911 and then I'm going to butcher her name.
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  Linky. Linkina Amabil from Ethiopia won
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  the the girls race 105. There's a guy called Philip
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  Caesarman, something like that. He's been on like flying form.
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  He came something like 16th, ran an hour one, which puts him the
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  19th fastest ever British half marathoner, which is pretty damn
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  fast. Back to you.
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  Well, I'm actually going to go back to your first one, Adam
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  Jamili. I didn't know if you're going to
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  get to this, but he has retired from being a sprinter.
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  However, he is now going to be working with the Chelsea Academy
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  this year with the football, with the football players.
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  So that's cool. Anyway, yes, talking football,
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  the Democratic Republic of of the Congo have actually
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  qualified for the World Cup also, which is incredible.
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  What's even more incredible was that Italy, who won the Euros in
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  2020 for the third time, have not qualified for the World Cup,
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  which is crazy. One of the best nations.
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  I think they've won one less time than British Brazil, which
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  is mad. Yeah, that's crazy.
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  The last one, Tom Pitcock, who was on British cyclist flying
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  form beginning of this year, he won one of the classics earlier
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  this year, had to pull out of the stage race the World to
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  Catalunya because of a knee injury.
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  He's one of the hopefuls who's hopefully going to try and
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  attempt to beat Teddy Pogacha in the Tour de France, so there's
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  no timeline on knee recovery, but hopefully he can get back
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  fighting fit. I don't know if he was meant to
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  ride the Zero, but that starts at the beginning of May, which
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  is like 5 weeks. So we'll see, but fingers
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  crossed that Tom gets back on the bike for that.
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  Very nice, How long have we got? It was 211.
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  I think you were too polite at the end.
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  I was way too polite, but also we.
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  Went in for a penny, in for a pound.
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  And I've got one more thing to mention.
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  So just because we do actually listen to our listeners, we
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  actually have had a submission for the news this week.
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  Oh, we did talk about came from Will.
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  So Will, thank you very much. There has been a new world
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  record for the concept 22K row. Time.
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  Nice. Yeah, Yeah.
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  OK, so yeah, Ollie Ziegler, 5 minutes, 33.
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  Yeah. Have you got that on an average
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  pace? No, I can.
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  I can probably find it for you. Hold on.
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  If it's on that post. It's not on the post that I have
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  in front of me. It's it's got to be like one,
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  yeah, zoom that in. It's got to be like one 20s.
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  133.4 no no no no no sorry. 12123 point like 5 is looking
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  for the average which is like. Go and go and go and find a
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  rower. I was going to see how long you
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  can do that for. Yeah, even getting down at that.
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  Yeah, yeah, for maybe a hundred 200 meters, but there's no way
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  I'm holding that for 5 1/2. Yeah, that's unbelievable.
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  Also, it wasn't actually that long ago that it was deemed
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  impossible. Impossible to go sub 6 minutes.
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  Yeah, and now it's blown out the water, kind of.
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  That is ridiculous. I'd like to know something about
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  him, like how tall he is, how heavy he is, a little bit more
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  about. His training, people request it.
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  You know, we could do his training.
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  No, awesome. There's been lots of concept
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  records being broken recently. 1K was also broken recently, but
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  they're all just like unfathomably quick.
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  Like unbelievably fast. But yeah, that was a good
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  submission. Very nice.
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  Thank you very much for that. Will, guys, if you're listening
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  and you've got any new submissions for us, obviously do
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  let us know. We will actually mention them,
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  but we're going to move swiftly into the group.
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  So concisely. I know, well compared to last
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  episode. Well I wasn't that hard guy so I
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  grind my gears now. Do you want to start?
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  I think I'm going to need to sometimes there's there's things
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  that happen in my life and I off the message Angus and go this
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  week. I really need grind my gears.
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  So we're basically using this as an opportunity to for me to get
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  some stuff off my chest. But obviously it was high rocks
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  weekend in London, which is a big weekend for both of us.
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  Lots of people competing, lots of people to go and watch.
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  I was also competing, but obviously as a result of that,
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  there's lots of things that are going to upset me.
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  The first one, and it's been mentioned many times on the
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  podcast, I don't want to name a specific backpack company, but
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  it's a certain backpack which is very large.
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  You can stick patches on it. It's not the actual physical
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  backpack that's upsetting me as well.
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  It is a little bit, but it's mainly the user of the backpack
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  and the user of the backpack in the spectator zone.
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  Now, obviously at the events, the spectator zone's quite
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  small. It's just people with this like,
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  inability to have any sort of like cognitive awareness of
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  what's around them. And they've got this gigantic
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  backpack on and they're trying to manoeuvre around.
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  And I'm also trying to manoeuvre around and there's loads of
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  these backpacks and it just makes everything impossible.
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  And I'm in a hurry to get from one station to another station
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  to see someone else and it's just a nightmare and people are
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  oblivious and it really annoys me.
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  Well, we knew that was going to happen.
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  I have to deal with it all the time when I'm running around
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  with a. Camera.
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  Yeah, I can't. That's so annoying, but.
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  Have you noticed the really interesting thing this year
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  about BFA bags? No.
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  We've seen where you can buy them on when you're at the
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  venues. You can buy them there.
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  Well, you, you always have been able to, but have you noticed
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  this season you can't? Is there is?
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  Is that because Puma also now sell an official backpack?
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  Puma have just made a Velcro bag and they're not hanging around.
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  I think I may have seen that. Are they also obnoxiously large?
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  They're not. You can get as large, they're
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  longer. Yeah, I think I've seen those.
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  They still hold a lot and they've got the Velcro space on
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  them, but they've basically just decided that we, yeah, we should
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  just make that. All the backpacks are available.
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  All the backpacks. Are so this this kind of feeds
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  into my next crime I get is it's just people being.
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  Oblivious as spectators. Lack of special awareness of
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  people in day-to-day life pisses me so much.
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  And it is day-to-day, but even more so at the events and, and I
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  understand that for some people, they may not have been to a
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  higher ox before. And I've been to a lot.
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  So I kind of know the layer of the land and know how to get
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  around. But there's just like this, I
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  don't know how to explain it. Just like gormless walking
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  around, like have some urgency, man.
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  It's so annoying. If any of my like content
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  clients are listening to this, I'm not going to encourage you
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  to talk, it's to sorry to go back and listen to the clips
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  that I send you because I do quite often remove sound.
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  Two things are going on there. One, I'm secretly bad mouthing
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  you. I'm just saying that you don't
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  know what you're doing. That's very rare, I'll be
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  honest. 2 it's usually just because I've stood there with a
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  camera and lovely people that are a bit more spatially aware
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  will pretty much do a matrix manoeuvre to not be on camera.
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  And generally, for the most part, I know that I'm in a
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  public space. I know that's going to happen.
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  It doesn't really impact the quality of what I'm filming, so
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  I don't mind. So I'll I'll actively encourage
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  people to walk past. Sometimes I look quite cool in
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  the videos, but a lot of the time, the video audio would just
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  be me going. You're fine.
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  Yeah, You can go. Yeah.
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  Thank you. Yeah.
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  Or my my classic. You're my favorite spectator.
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  And then I'll walk away. But like, if you're listening to
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  those videos, you might hear eight of those.
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  You're my favorite spectator. Never going to be the same.
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  Yeah, I love that. But you're fine.
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  Yeah, Yeah, yeah, you're fine. Carry on.
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  Yeah, that's good, right. So my first one, I've got a
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  visual demonstration for you. Oh God, just because I noticed
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  it was here these things. So if you're not watching on
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  YouTube or Spotify, it's a gym clip because these things
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  weirdly in this gym don't seem to be.
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  Missing. Missing so there's actually 3
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  spare So in I've upgraded gym. I think I've told you yes, I've
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  upgraded the gym on that, but for some reason people just go
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  walkabouts with them. Yeah, it seems like the kind of
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  thing that gets lost is the. Best gym I've ever been to.
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  Cable tied them. Nice.
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  Yeah, now. I was when I first saw that I
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  was like, what kind of place do we live in where the people are
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  stealing? Yeah, no, genuinely great.
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  And and they also had like 10 extras.
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  Because what I will see is I'll see someone uses a lat pull
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  down, which has got 2 cables. Yeah, now the lat pull down will
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  have a bar across that connects both those clips and you can do
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  it. So what pisses me off is when I
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  see people doing it with like multiple clips.
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  That's not what they've. Got I just also like, do they
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  get lost so the people nick them?
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  And if you're nicking them, why are you stealing that?
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  What for? So this this we're going to go
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  down the rabbit hole. The 1st gym I ever worked at and
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  again, I'll name no names, but I was sat at the reception and the
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  owner of the gym came over to me and it was kind of unprompted
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  and I was sat there minding my own business and they said to
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  me, do you trust the members? And I was like that's a weird
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  question. Of course I trust the members.
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  And I didn't really know what they were kind of hinting
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  towards. But later found out that some of
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  the equipment was going missing, lots of the bands were going
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  missing. Like people love to steal bags
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  and I didn't really understand it.
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  And then when I owned a gym, I was like, someone's stealing the
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  freaking bands. Someone's do you know how many
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  drinks got taken from our fridge without being paid for?
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  And you're like honest membership base stealing drinks,
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  stealing bands. If we had any of these, they'd
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  have been gone. You name it.
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  People stealing toilet paper. I could definitely see people
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  taking things like electrolytes because that's hard to notice,
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  but even with drinks in a fridge like I would expect that
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  someone's going to notice there's a drink missing.
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  It's a, it's a, it's a real problem.
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  Even the gym I work at now for most of you will know.
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  Well, last year, last year, last week, we had to grind my gears,
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  which was thieves for some like on camera stuff, but like petty
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  crime. Look, I'm going to be completely
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  honest here, so I'm going to tell a story that is not
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  factual, but Once Upon a time there was a guy called Mangus.
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  Mangus Let's go with Mangus, a cool guy who at university found
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  out that anything, well, back then, not so much now because
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  there wasn't the cameras on the tails, but anything secure
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  checkout that was self checkout could be put through as an onion
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  if you just weighed it. And what that meant is you can
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  get like a really nice pizza that's like 4 lbs for like ATP.
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  And like, I'm scanning it is weighing it, I'm paying it.
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  Sorry, Mangus is scanning it, weighing it and he's paying for
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  it and he's he's getting whatever.
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  I know a lot of people do that. I was a university student.
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  I wouldn't consider doing such a thing myself.
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  Mangus at the time, I've outlined the tenses here a
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  little bit too badly. Out of necessity.
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  Out of necessity, yeah, would, would maybe make those things
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  happen, but anything beyond that, especially when it
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  directly impacts a local community.
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  Rather than like a large corporation because I hear lots
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  of people if as. Far as I'm concerned, there are
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  large corporations who at the time of closing, if there's
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  stuff left in their bakery, it has to go in the bin, They can't
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  move it away. Stuff like that.
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  That upsets me. Yeah.
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  So you're just doing your. Bit, I'm doing my bit here, but
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  I mean, Mangus, Mangus is doing his bit here.
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  But yeah, when it's when it's actually like, if you, if you
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  understand and for those of you that are listening, if you own a
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  gym, correct me if I'm wrong, it's not the way to become a
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  billionaire. It's pretty tough and you have
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  to run a pretty tight ship on even the bills and the equipment
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  and the upkeep and everything like that.
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  So the last thing you need is your fridge to be empty.
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  Yeah. It was a frustrating one because
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  I wanted to think I'm in a class.
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  I've run next door, I've grabbed A knocko.
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  I don't want to disrupt the class.
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  I'll pay for it later. I'm honest, honest and I will
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  pay for it later. And then I just forget.
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  I wanted to think it was that, but like when you stock check
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  and there's 100 missing, you haven't had 100 honest people
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  forget. So it's like it's one of those.
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  It leaves a little bit of a bitter taste in the mouth, but.
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  You say CCTV. We didn't at our gym but there
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  is now CCTV at current gym for member safety.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  I love that. I love it as well.
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  I'd be all over that. Call it out.
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  Yeah, I'd be watching it all the.
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  Time, but I think also now obviously stock is pretty
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  consistent. Is it?
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  Yeah. Well, there you go, it works.
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  Isn't it easy? 11 more.
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  Yeah, yeah. PDA ish in the gym.
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  OK, here we go. So.
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  I don't know what that means. No, I know about that ish.
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  OK. So this is tied to a story
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  actually from this week because I again, same gym.
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  I promise you I've upgraded. I was walking past someone and I
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  noticed at the corner of my eye that person was being stared at.
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  And I'm just going to let you let everyone know there was a
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  male and a female and I'll let you guess which way round was
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  doing a staring, but it was deeply uncomfortable.
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  I then while I was doing my exercise noticed this person who
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  was doing the staring was walking past numerous times,
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  kind of not circling but just like for no real need going and
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  doing multiple water trips, that kind of thing.
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  These people don't know each other that you know of.
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  The I know of no, they're not. They're not training together
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  then communicating nothing like that.
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  He's now like kind of being really horribly or like awkward.
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  And now she's she's moved on, she's onto a bench and she's
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  started doing a new exercise. And then he starts lifting near
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  her. And I'm like genuinely like, not
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  my place, not that guy. But I am going to go and make
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  sure she's OK in a second. Like I'm going to go when she's
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  next in between sets and say like, is he annoying you?
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  I can let one of the staff know I'm about to do that.
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  And then they start talking to each other and it becomes very
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  apparent that they're together. Fine, that's weird.
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  But the whole thing I like immediately I was like, oh,
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  thank God. Yeah, yeah, but I was.
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  Like there's, there's like there's too many creepy blokes
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  in the. Japanese, yeah.
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  But then I was also like, what I have just seen was actually you
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  guys flirting, and that's still quite uncomfortable.
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  Super weird. Could you just both get on with
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  your workout and not like circle her and like look at her in a
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  certain way and it's like maybe I've just clocked onto it?
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  That's what they're into, yeah. That's weird.
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  Well, that's better than them being like all over each other
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  and I. Was going to say actual PD.
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  APDA in general no. In the gym is even worse, isn't
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  it? So annoying.
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  I've seen this is another grime I get.
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  I've seen the same guy, this is my old gym, the same guy come to
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  the gym with numerous different women and like just be like PDA
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  with them all in the same like Fortnite.
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  And I'm just like, this is horrible 'cause I I saw you in
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  here yesterday with someone else being the exact same.
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  And I don't know if you're just a creepy coach or if, like
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  you're inviting. All these people.
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  No, that's so tough. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Anyway, let's move on.
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  Let's move on. As we said, and This is why we
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  let you guys know that it was coming.
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  We are actually going to move on today's topic in the Red Corner,
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  which is for both of us, we have Charles representing Bryson
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  Deschambeau, my guy. And in the other red corner we
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  have me representing Rory, Rory McIlroy.
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  And we're going to go through basically what their training
• 18:51
  looks like. Because for those of you that
• 18:53
  don't know and you don't normally have massive interest
• 18:58
  in golf, we have two very talented athletes.
• 19:03
  And I say athletes, not golfers, athletes, however, they have
• 19:07
  somewhat different attitudes towards their training.
• 19:11
  Bryson is, I don't want to say he's like overly into it, but
• 19:17
  it's a key thing is like maximizing every single bit of
• 19:21
  potential he has. Rory's a bit more traditional,
• 19:24
  but like at the pinnacle of those traditional.
• 19:27
  Methods I would say, I think like golf has definitely changed
• 19:30
  even since I started watching it because I got into it when I was
• 19:33
  very, very young and it's definitely evolved and
• 19:37
  developed. And I kind of remember, I think
• 19:40
  it was Tiger who probably initiated the change from OK,
• 19:45
  we're a bunch of like kind of out of shape, but talented
• 19:49
  people who can hit a golf ball really well to OK, now we're
• 19:52
  athletes and we train like we're athletes.
• 19:54
  I think Tiger was the catalyst to kind of spark almost like a
• 19:59
  new age of golfer. I don't think it's necessarily
• 20:02
  infiltrated the whole of the the tour for all of the pro players,
• 20:07
  but I think the majority now is spending time in the gym because
• 20:10
  they understand the like the marginal gains that they can get
• 20:14
  from developing better speed, better strength, better power.
• 20:19
  Better flexibility, rotation, core strength, what that
• 20:22
  actually means for their game. And some like Bryson, who's
• 20:25
  very, very well known for how far he can hit the golf ball, he
• 20:29
  spends a lot of time in the gym. And I was actually intrigued
• 20:32
  because I obviously appreciated what his training might look
• 20:36
  like in the gym, but actually away from the gym, the practical
• 20:39
  application into his golf swing and how he hits the ball is very
• 20:44
  different. So if I was just going to the
• 20:45
  range and I was practicing my my golf game.
• 20:48
  So I'd be interested to see how that differs from from Rory.
• 20:51
  Sure. I think one of the things I
• 20:53
  would say as well, Rory has from his early days in his career was
• 21:00
  always pretty mature in looking at the longevity of his career
• 21:02
  because GG is one of the longest pro careers that you can have in
• 21:05
  sport. I mean, you've got guys that are
• 21:07
  in their 70s still playing at the top level.
• 21:09
  So when Rory was, you know, signed to win tournaments and
• 21:12
  like big tournaments in his later like latter teens, early
• 21:16
  20s, like he's only scraping the surface of his career.
• 21:20
  Like not necessarily trying to win everything in the next 5
• 21:24
  years is important for him. And like we say that he he won
• 21:26
  the Masters for the first time last year and I can't even
• 21:28
  remember off the top of my head. I should have this in front of
• 21:31
  me, his actual age. But like, dude's got grey hair.
• 21:33
  Yeah, yeah, he's not. He's had a long.
• 21:36
  Time since he'd last one is is a major yeah, yeah.
• 21:41
  One of the interesting things is that he Rory in the past has
• 21:45
  worked quite a lot with the with titlist in their performance
• 21:48
  center and sort of develop a base training sort of
• 21:53
  methodology, which apparently according to other podcasts that
• 21:56
  he's been on, it's still like a key part of it.
• 22:00
  And they're, they're mainly rooted in mobility, rotational
• 22:03
  power, strength, but then also like holistic fitness.
• 22:08
  So not like bodybuilding, but general strength training,
• 22:13
  hypertrophy training, because there is an element of muscular
• 22:15
  endurance and building Rep ranges.
• 22:17
  And that sort of thing is also important for that.
• 22:19
  But they're like the main sort of the core things that he takes
• 22:23
  into account. But also when we spoke about
• 22:25
  plyometrics with plenty of athletes, plyometrics for
• 22:28
  stability because you don't always play off a map.
• 22:31
  Yeah, yeah. You've really got to be able to
• 22:33
  adjust what your swings do. For sure.
• 22:34
  Yeah, this is actually like sparked something in my brain
• 22:38
  that's that's reminded me of and I have to dig out the videos.
• 22:41
  But way back when I first started coaching, I was still
• 22:46
  CrossFit coaching, but I was looking at maybe specializing
• 22:48
  into something else. I did a lot of time on golf,
• 22:52
  specific strength and conditioning.
• 22:53
  I'm going to have to find some of those videos with me
• 22:56
  explaining how to use a Med ball for rotational drills.
• 22:58
  It's so embarrassing, but I'll dig them out because they're
• 23:00
  somewhere on my social media. But if we talk about it then and
• 23:05
  we kind of break it, break down what their training looks like.
• 23:08
  Obviously golf, unlike a lot of other sports that we speak
• 23:13
  about, is skill based when we talk first.
• 23:17
  For example, Keeley Hodgkinson, there's very little skill in
• 23:22
  running around a track. Obviously there's things that
• 23:25
  you can develop to improve your running economy and your running
• 23:28
  mechanics, but other than that, it's basically just developing
• 23:32
  your ability to run fast for a long amount of time and that's
• 23:35
  just hard work. The skill element is what
• 23:38
  differentiates golf because I think for a lot of people golf
• 23:42
  isn't necessarily a sport because it does, it lacks kind
• 23:45
  of that physicality. But I think you underestimate if
• 23:48
  you don't play golf the length of time it takes you to play
• 23:51
  around and how long you have to concentrate for.
• 23:55
  So if you're physically fitter, I feel like it drains your
• 23:59
  mental less. So I think there's lots to be
• 24:02
  said for not only developing your skill, which I think Bryson
• 24:06
  spends a lot of time hitting golf balls and Rory will be the
• 24:09
  same, but they're also in the gym pretty frequently and they
• 24:12
  also gym in and around their tournaments, I'd imagine.
• 24:17
  I don't know whether that's like to help with distracting
• 24:21
  themselves from the pressure of the tournament, but lots of them
• 24:23
  will go to the gym the morning of actually playing around or in
• 24:26
  the evening. I was reading somewhere, I think
• 24:29
  it was like golf.com or something similar website.
• 24:32
  Bryson was saying at the end of a tournament day, he'll go to
• 24:35
  the gym, whether it's for flexibility, mobility, but he's
• 24:39
  also quoted on saying and also to get a pump.
• 24:42
  So it's like for him, he just loves the gym and he's got a gym
• 24:45
  in his house and I know he trains a lot, but he's doing
• 24:48
  morning gym is like strength and core.
• 24:52
  Then he'll go and play in the range and the range will be
• 24:56
  anywhere between kind of hitting short or like loading up through
• 25:01
  his short game into a long game. But then what he does is he'll
• 25:05
  do some and we'll talk about it more specifically, he'll do like
• 25:07
  some speed swinging and like some swings where it's like I
• 25:11
  don't really care about the what the outcome of the shot is.
• 25:14
  I'm just looking for the output in the actual swing, which is
• 25:16
  really really interesting. I feel like speed training for
• 25:19
  swing has become a, a bit of a buzz, well, a buzz training
• 25:24
  platform since Bryson went live on YouTube talking about it.
• 25:27
  And now like you can buy so many different things to help you
• 25:29
  train your swing speed. And I mean, he's done videos
• 25:33
  where he literally the entire video that I've seen on YouTube
• 25:35
  is him swinging this thing with a weight on the end of it as
• 25:38
  fast as possible and then going to a net with the, what's it
• 25:42
  called that's on the ground that basically tells you how far you
• 25:44
  hit the ball. Track man or something like
• 25:46
  that. It's it's something like that,
• 25:47
  but it's yeah, it basically will give you all the information.
• 25:50
  He's like trying to maximize the ball speed and interestingly,
• 25:54
  like this is something that probably Rory doesn't shout
• 25:56
  about as much, but it also does. Rory's one of the longest
• 26:00
  hitters on the court and he's known for like being also one of
• 26:03
  the purest hitters. He's not doing anything absurd
• 26:06
  like when Bryson decides to just cut the corner on a 400 and
• 26:10
  something yard oil, but he is consistently putting the ball in
• 26:15
  the right place far down the fairways and he's doing a lot of
• 26:18
  similar thing. What I have gone away and I've
• 26:21
  looked at a a bit similar to what we've done in previous
• 26:25
  athletes is kind of what a week might look like, not necessarily
• 26:27
  a tournament week, but how much golf is being played in terms of
• 26:31
  like the course. But typically Rory will have the
• 26:35
  gym built into a lot of his days and then he will have some form
• 26:38
  of skill work in the like afternoon or maybe skill work
• 26:41
  first then gym later. And again, the main focus I've
• 26:44
  already said is kind of working on that rotational power, the
• 26:47
  stability kind of thing in the gym.
• 26:48
  He will also be doing a lot of compound movements because we've
• 26:53
  spoken about this before and I went down a rabbit hole.
• 26:54
  So I'm not going to do it again about the fact that golf as a
• 26:59
  motion is actually a throwing, which is like a little bit
• 27:03
  counter intuitive. But if I replace the Golf Club
• 27:06
  in your hand with a Med ball and told you to do it at the wall,
• 27:09
  you'd actually do a very similar thing.
• 27:10
  And again, if you go and watch like a baseball player, if you
• 27:14
  look at a pitcher throw the ball, they throw the ball solo
• 27:16
  down that it's almost like an underarm, but it's not.
• 27:20
  And again, it's just using the rotational force, but compound
• 27:23
  lifts are a really, really important part of that process
• 27:26
  because for the actual loading of the swing, it's very similar
• 27:31
  in Rep length to a compound lift.
• 27:34
  And so Rory's been known to mention that he does things like
• 27:38
  trap bar deadlifts. I was going to say.
• 27:40
  Deadlift and and squats and a lot of lower body stuff because,
• 27:44
  and again, this is what I was always taught with throwing is.
• 27:47
  Where's it come? From where's it come from?
• 27:49
  It comes from the ground up. And then you just have
• 27:51
  everything else becomes an extension of that source.
• 27:54
  So that's what he'll be doing a lot of.
• 27:56
  When it comes to the range sessions.
• 27:59
  Again, this kind of is how you would expect to break your own
• 28:02
  training down. You're not going to do the same
• 28:03
  thing every day. And when I know you or I or
• 28:06
  anyone listening might have gone to the driving range in the
• 28:08
  past, we probably don't do it all that often.
• 28:11
  So when we go, we take most of our clubs, Yeah, we might run
• 28:15
  through all of them. We'll do our warm up, which
• 28:16
  we'll just be using the seven iron for 20 balls.
• 28:19
  And if it goes well, we'll be like, cool, I'm going to use my
• 28:21
  driver now. And if it doesn't, then maybe
• 28:23
  you'll go to the passing room with the rest of the balls.
• 28:25
  But for them it's, it's obviously very different.
• 28:28
  It might be working on a shot shape.
• 28:31
  It might be working on a specific yardage.
• 28:33
  It, I mean, with latest technology, it might actually be
• 28:37
  working on doing very, very different things with ball
• 28:40
  flight in order to maximize or replicate certain shots.
• 28:44
  And so there's, there's a whole host of things.
• 28:46
  And for example, it might literally just be like a driver
• 28:50
  day. But for that driver day, there
• 28:52
  won't have been any core work in the morning of because you don't
• 28:55
  necessarily want to pre fatigue if you, because I mean,
• 28:59
  realistically, the pre fatigue of a rotational strength
• 29:03
  training session does not replicate the three hours of
• 29:06
  golf performance. It's very different fatigue.
• 29:09
  So those things wouldn't get paired together.
• 29:10
  When you look at their score, you're like, well, they've,
• 29:13
  they've shot, I don't know, 69 to 75, That's how many swings
• 29:18
  are done, that's how many rotations.
• 29:20
  But. Also within that, I mean in
• 29:21
  theory if they've shot par. So let's say they they've hit
• 29:24
  par 72 on A on A. 72 par course. I mean, 36 of those shots were
• 29:31
  pops. I love your thing.
• 29:33
  So like half of that. Then I go to the gym and I do 79
• 29:37
  Russian twists. Exactly.
• 29:38
  You know, it's just like you've played, you've played a full
• 29:40
  round of golf just in one. And you mentioned, you mentioned
• 29:44
  a lot of people won't give credit to, you know, how long
• 29:46
  the game of golf is. For those people that don't seem
• 29:48
  to have an interest in golf, this will sound like hell.
• 29:51
  But for if, if you and I were playing and we were walking the
• 29:55
  course, it might take us 4 hours.
• 29:57
  For those guys, it actually takes a lot longer than that
• 30:00
  because the pace of players a little bit slower, they might be
• 30:04
  better and taking less shots than three yards forward and
• 30:07
  going again. And the time they take to
• 30:09
  analyse the shot and discuss with their caddy.
• 30:13
  Yeah, I mean, it's a it's it definitely takes time.
• 30:16
  I forgot what I was going to say now.
• 30:18
  So it can't have been that important, but it was it was
• 30:22
  going to be really, really good. So you can continue in well.
• 30:25
  I'll struggle to keep up with that, but in terms of the Gulf
• 30:27
  volume and. Literally obviously remembered
• 30:31
  now. OK, so I'm just like, it would
• 30:33
  be quite good if we could like have almost like a list of
• 30:39
  things that you need to characterize a sport And what
• 30:44
  obviously I said on on the Diet Starts Monday podcast with
• 30:48
  Roscoe. I thought tennis players created
• 30:50
  the most all round complete athlete.
• 30:53
  I think golf is very similar to tennis with all of the the
• 30:59
  mental fatigue that comes with it.
• 31:00
  It's not as fast-paced as tennis and you're not necessarily
• 31:05
  having to deal with the return shot from another person, but
• 31:10
  you're dealing with the conditions of the course,
• 31:13
  whether the greens fast, whether the greens slow, whether you're
• 31:15
  working with wind, except all of the environmental stuff.
• 31:18
  But you have that that mental stimulation always.
• 31:21
  But then it's the the skill that comes in the form of accuracy.
• 31:25
  And like you pair that together with obviously when you're
• 31:28
  hitting the ball, it's so athletic with the rotation from
• 31:31
  the hips, with the timing, with just the general feel.
• 31:35
  It has all of the elements that I think tennis has.
• 31:38
  It just doesn't have that physicality.
• 31:40
  I'd say it doesn't have like quite the same intensity.
• 31:43
  Right. And that's and that's the thing
• 31:44
  that that it lacks. And then as a result, I think
• 31:46
  people discredit it as a sport because it's like, well, I could
• 31:51
  just, it's, it's just walking around and then hitting a golf
• 31:53
  ball. But I think at the top level,
• 31:55
  it's so like, it's maybe not intense in the traditional sense
• 32:00
  that we'd use it for sport, but it's intense.
• 32:04
  So imagine right? I think if we if we reframe this
• 32:09
  as well. So for people that are
• 32:12
  listening, if I gave you the opportunity to return a serve
• 32:16
  from Venus Williams, OK, it's her second serve for one.
• 32:20
  So there's a slight more chance and she's at the other end of
• 32:23
  the court. You step up and she looks at you
• 32:26
  and she goes, you ready? And you go, OK, you get your one
• 32:30
  attempt right? Now, if I go to you and I say
• 32:33
  same situation, there's a green over there.
• 32:37
  There's nothing in the way of it.
• 32:38
  The ball has to land on the green.
• 32:40
  You win the same prize if you get the tennis return back in.
• 32:43
  Here's a bag full of clubs and you're going to take probably 5
• 32:50
  minutes before you hit the ball. That 5 minutes is horrible
• 32:55
  because now I've given you so many options and you've got so
• 32:59
  much time to think and the time that you then choose to hit the
• 33:01
  ball, Are you going to hit it when it is windy?
• 33:03
  When it's not? Is it windy down there?
• 33:04
  Is it windy? All of these different things
• 33:07
  you now have to consider. Whereas when Venus goes, Are you
• 33:09
  ready? That's it.
• 33:11
  It's like you just you just read and respond and you try and get
• 33:13
  it in. And if you don't pair.
• 33:14
  Out. Much of that response is
• 33:15
  actually just an inherent reaction to where the balls
• 33:18
  going. You're not returning it either
• 33:20
  way, just by the way, even if it's Venus Williams the second.
• 33:23
  So you ain't returning it. Now if you add in, if you layer
• 33:26
  on right, imagine the impact. It's Venus Williams by the way,
• 33:30
  and we are mere mortals. Now, if I told you you get 3
• 33:34
  attempts with both scenarios, but the first attempts, the, the
• 33:39
  attempts that you've had with Venus Williams, you've
• 33:42
  absolutely like, you've missed most of them.
• 33:44
  Like you haven't even seen it. You're not going to have a lot
• 33:46
  of confidence. But again, you're like, Oh well,
• 33:48
  I mean, she's a pro tennis player.
• 33:50
  It is what it is when you're dealing with the conditions.
• 33:54
  And let's say I told you the 1st 2 attempts with the golf ball,
• 33:56
  you hit one in the water and you you hit one like 2 feet in front
• 33:59
  of you. You cannot get those out of your
• 34:01
  head because you're in full control of what happens with the
• 34:04
  ball. And so you have a bad hole,
• 34:06
  let's say when you're actually playing golf and getting
• 34:09
  yourself out of that is so much harder than having a bad game in
• 34:13
  tennis where someone has just outserved like it's just hit 3
• 34:16
  aces, 4 aces down the middle. You haven't got a single one
• 34:19
  back. It doesn't really bother you
• 34:20
  going into the next game so much as like that was really good
• 34:22
  from them. In golf, you have a bad hole.
• 34:26
  You, I mean you could be 600 par, go into the last hole and
• 34:29
  shoot a 21. Well, you can't shoot a 10 over
• 34:32
  and like you just destroyed for the next day.
• 34:35
  It can carry you through a whole tournament, whereas that sort of
• 34:37
  impact mentally doesn't happen. So it's definitely more of a
• 34:40
  mental sport around the skill aspect.
• 34:43
  Just on that I, I, it must have been on YouTube.
• 34:46
  I saw a video of Carlos Alcrast walking onto tennis court and
• 34:51
  he's wearing like track suits and like Travis Scott Lowe's.
• 34:55
  And he's just then someone pass in the racket and goes, can you
• 34:59
  serve at me? And he serves maybe 20% effort.
• 35:03
  The guy doesn't hit it and they're like, what?
• 35:07
  And he was like, oh, you want me to actually try?
• 35:09
  Just chill in like shoes aren't even done up.
• 35:12
  So as 100% the guy, like he can't even react fast enough.
• 35:16
  Like it's one of those things where you're deconditioned
• 35:20
  because you see pro tennis players playing on TV, the likes
• 35:24
  of Rodger, Federer, Nadal, all of the rest of them, Andy
• 35:28
  Murray's, all of these people who are incredible at tennis.
• 35:31
  And you become deconditioned because they can return it if
• 35:33
  you were put in that position. Same as if you see a
• 35:36
  professional marathon runner run past on TV, you're like, yeah,
• 35:39
  they're running fast. But until you actually
• 35:41
  experience it, same thing with golf as well, because you can't,
• 35:46
  you have no comprehension of like you watch it on TV.
• 35:50
  There's that shot of the Masters Rory played.
• 35:52
  You know that reaction. You know exactly what I'm
• 35:55
  talking about. I think it's on to the 15th
• 35:57
  maybe maybe earlier in in, but he's he's hit just the most
• 36:00
  outrageous draw. Like the ball started way right
• 36:04
  and then it's finished. Pin high.
• 36:06
  Yeah. So, so for those that don't
• 36:08
  really know, obviously depending on which hand you used to hit
• 36:10
  the ball, but a draw is going from right to left and you you
• 36:13
  bend it around. Yes, but also hitting that is
• 36:16
  also an optical way with the spin of the ball for extra
• 36:19
  distance. But this one was purely like
• 36:21
  there is a massive jury in the way.
• 36:23
  Yeah, yeah. And I have to get it all the way
• 36:25
  around. That over water, the pressure
• 36:27
  cooker, this is and and I mean all of the external factors for
• 36:31
  Rory on that final round of the Masters last year, we've spoken
• 36:34
  about that so many times. Like to be able to do that is
• 36:36
  unbelievable. But I love the analogy of tennis
• 36:38
  because I think tennis is slightly more relatable.
• 36:42
  But in the same way that you hit over the ball to create top spin
• 36:45
  and hit under the ball to create back spin, you can do exactly
• 36:48
  the same thing with a golf ball. And the, the professional
• 36:51
  golfers have just this unbelievable ability to spin and
• 36:55
  shape the ball. And it's just like for someone
• 36:58
  who's just picking up a Golf Club, even hitting the ball
• 37:01
  straight 50 yards is like an incredible achievement.
• 37:05
  To then think about how much repetition, how much practice
• 37:08
  has gone in for them to be able to hit the same shot over and
• 37:12
  over and over again. It's it's, it's unbelievable.
• 37:15
  So I'm going to say it was probably about 10 years ago,
• 37:18
  TaylorMade did a series of YouTube videos with their
• 37:21
  golfers and they did range videos, They did videos, They
• 37:26
  took golfers out on course. And in this one particular
• 37:28
  video, they took Rory McIlroy out on course and they were
• 37:30
  talking to him about one of his favorite things to do in, in
• 37:32
  terms of a bit of fun training. And I don't know if anyone
• 37:35
  listening or yourself has played golf on your own, but if you
• 37:39
  play golf on your own and you're going to be out there, it's
• 37:42
  actually not that slow, especially if you're just being
• 37:45
  nice to yourself and you go, I hit that one in the tree, I put
• 37:47
  this one down in a fairway. But one of the things you can do
• 37:51
  is play 2 balls and then often if you're feeling like you want
• 37:55
  to be kind to yourself, you'd always play the better ball and
• 37:57
  you go, Oh my gosh, I'm actually like pro.
• 38:00
  But what he'll do is he'll take the worst ball or if he's
• 38:03
  playing with a ball and it's not in a great or is is in an OK
• 38:08
  spot, he'll make it worse. And in this particular tailor
• 38:11
  made video, and I hope it's still up there, if you want to
• 38:13
  go find it, go watch. It's really entertaining.
• 38:15
  They have the guy from Tailor Made play a ball and then Rory
• 38:20
  McIlroy has to go and save it and so they play the whole
• 38:23
  together. But his job is to try and make
• 38:26
  it as hard as possible for Rory to do because I.
• 38:27
  Was going to say that the tailor made employees probably not bad
• 38:30
  at. Goal, right.
• 38:30
  Yeah, yeah. But he'll like, he'll like make
• 38:32
  it deliberately awkward so he he'll tee off or sometimes they
• 38:36
  actually walked up and they were like just throw the ball on the
• 38:38
  floor and they're like how would you deal with this Yeah.
• 38:40
  And he was like, this is actually quite a key part of my
• 38:42
  training because again, you can do all of the specifics and know
• 38:46
  exactly like how your body is supposed to move.
• 38:49
  You can do all the strength training you require.
• 38:51
  That's a good point. And all of a sudden you're
• 38:54
  behind the tree on the 15th hole and you've got, you've got to
• 38:56
  curve this ball round into the wind, against the wind and get
• 39:00
  it on the green to have any chance of your competition
• 39:02
  surviving. And you cannot replicate that on
• 39:05
  a range. And so the best way to do it is
• 39:08
  to get out on course and put yourself in horrible scenarios.
• 39:11
  And to be honest, they're kind of fun.
• 39:14
  He does say, like, he doesn't necessarily do a whole 18 holes
• 39:17
  of it. He won't be three holes at the
• 39:19
  end of a range. Session.
• 39:19
  I'm sure it's more stimulating than always being on the nice
• 39:22
  part of the fairway. Exactly.
• 39:23
  And like doing that in training and this is a big thing that I
• 39:27
  was going to ask you about if you knew anything off from his
• 39:30
  YouTube. I don't know if this is
• 39:31
  something you'd have prepared for the episode, but in the
• 39:33
  mental training of golf, we've spoken about how important it is
• 39:36
  you look at someone, and we've mentioned this before, Warrie in
• 39:38
  his career, I mean, very early on should have won the Masters
• 39:42
  when he was a lot younger and just absolutely crushing defeat.
• 39:46
  And he's had a few times in his career where he has seemingly
• 39:50
  had it just there for him to take in terms of tournament wins
• 39:54
  and competition wins. But.
• 39:55
  I mean, it just it proves how difficult the sport is.
• 39:59
  But like going back to that point where you go, you can do
• 40:01
  all of the strength work, you can do X1 Z, unless you are
• 40:05
  unbelievably well drilled and have very good mechanics and can
• 40:08
  hit the ball consistently well, you're never going to be a top
• 40:11
  golfer. So that's why the likes of
• 40:14
  someone like John Daly, for example, who you look at and you
• 40:16
  go, that guy ain't athletic. But there's a few people like
• 40:19
  that who probably are still knocking around on tour.
• 40:21
  They're few and far between now because of the likes of Bryce
• 40:24
  and the Shambo who's hitting the.
• 40:26
  Just way further than everyone else.
• 40:28
  But I think if you're a bit newer to golf or interested in
• 40:32
  golf, I think Bryson's YouTube channel is a great place to
• 40:35
  start. It kind of breaks down the
• 40:37
  barriers to getting into golf and it also makes it a little
• 40:41
  bit more fun and entertaining. And he doesn't just play with
• 40:44
  golfers. He doesn't do like crazy serious
• 40:46
  golf content, but in and around the videos that he's making, for
• 40:49
  example, he does a series called Breaking 50 where he'll play
• 40:53
  around and try and break 50. Obviously the names that, but he
• 40:57
  plays in a pair. He'll play with people like he's
• 41:00
  played with Steph Curry. That's a great episode because
• 41:02
  Steph is an unbelievable golfer as well, but it just makes it a
• 41:06
  little bit more fun. But you can see in those
• 41:08
  episodes how much Bryson understands his game to like new
• 41:15
  levels and like how analytical he is of his game, even in a
• 41:19
  casual setting. And he's the way he reads
• 41:21
  greens, the way he talks about the amount of power he's going
• 41:25
  to put in the shot. He knows every single yardage of
• 41:29
  every single club. And he's like, he's so
• 41:32
  scientific about it that they they some his videographer
• 41:34
  sometimes takes the piss out of him.
• 41:36
  But they're they're all like that on on tour.
• 41:38
  I think it's Matt Fitzgerald who has a little notebook and he's
• 41:42
  written down a note on every single shot he's ever taken.
• 41:47
  And I think that's like ever since the first time he hit a
• 41:50
  golf ball. He had a book and he hit on the
• 41:52
  range and he went that went 33 yards a little bit to the right.
• 41:56
  He's done it ever since, which is mental, and you see him on
• 42:00
  the course. Seemingly psychotic, but we
• 42:02
  spoke about this, I think a year ago when we were talking about
• 42:05
  what it takes to be the best and like, you have to be relatively
• 42:09
  psychotic. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 42:11
  Charlie might be listening to this when Charlie was on here
• 42:13
  when he's talking about some of his training.
• 42:15
  There are literally people that just don't want to do that and
• 42:18
  like think, why would you want to stare at all night long?
• 42:20
  You have to have an element of like, not psychosis that's a bit
• 42:24
  harsh, but you have to be a bit weird to be good at stuff.
• 42:30
  But even the way that Charlie, and I'm sure he won't mind me
• 42:32
  saying this, the way he talks about his training and the way
• 42:36
  he can remember his training and all of the the logging of his
• 42:40
  training, like that's not normal behaviour.
• 42:43
  But his results aren't normal because exactly.
• 42:45
  Do you know what I want? If you want abnormal results,
• 42:48
  you have to abnormal. And that's not, that's not mean
• 42:50
  like disrespectful or rude. Like I truly respect it like
• 42:53
  nothing else. But not everyone's doing that.
• 42:56
  And as a result, not everyone is Elite 15 athlete.
• 42:59
  Not everyone's a Professional Golf player.
• 43:01
  And one of the interesting things that Bryson gets a lot of
• 43:04
  attention for doing some of the more crazy things in terms of
• 43:09
  trying to find those one percenters.
• 43:11
  So the fat golf grips uses that kind of thing, which I think I'd
• 43:14
  love. I want to give those a go.
• 43:16
  But again, that's me kind of falling into it going, oh, could
• 43:19
  that help my game? Because it's helped is Rory's a
• 43:21
  lot more traditional. Again, he might be doing those
• 43:24
  things. He doesn't shout about it.
• 43:26
  If you look at Rory's swing, that thing has been cultivated
• 43:31
  for years and it's still like a key thing.
• 43:33
  Obviously doesn't need to work on it all the time to improve it
• 43:35
  now, but it's a key, key thing that you have to keep consistent
• 43:40
  because if you get 1 deviation in your swing, it throws off
• 43:43
  everything you know about your yardages, how consistent you are
• 43:46
  with a certain club, everything. And so for those purposes,
• 43:51
  that's why, especially as golfers do get older, the
• 43:55
  mobility thing is so key. But it's not just mobility in
• 43:59
  the way that we see it as like doing some 1990s with your hips,
• 44:02
  like actually is your shoulder mobility good enough?
• 44:05
  You're doing enough of that. And then also swing training
• 44:08
  comes under a bit of mobility as well.
• 44:11
  So again, another focus in his training rather than so much
• 44:14
  looking for those things that aren't in your control that
• 44:18
  could make a difference. He's looking to basically say,
• 44:21
  well, I'm going to paraphrase here, but he's mentioned the
• 44:24
  people have been playing golf at an elite level for years.
• 44:27
  So like, you don't necessarily have to do anything
• 44:30
  substantially fantastic these days to be at the same level
• 44:34
  that they used to be. And they used to break par and
• 44:36
  set on like just unbelievable scores.
• 44:39
  I mean, you look at Tiger Woods, I mean in his unbelievable
• 44:43
  winning era was the early 2000s, that's 20, the 25 years ago he
• 44:49
  was absolutely dominating and saying some of the some course
• 44:51
  records which still today have not been broken.
• 44:53
  There's he's he has I I wish I remember this fact because it's
• 44:57
  unbelievable, but he's like he he has every single record in
• 45:02
  the PGA like you, you name it, Tiger has it.
• 45:05
  And if the winning streak that he went on in the early 2000s,
• 45:09
  just go and watch the Tiger Woods documentary on YouTube
• 45:11
  because even me thinking about it gives me goosebumps.
• 45:14
  And there's that reel that's going round where they like
• 45:18
  montage some of his best moments.
• 45:21
  But the beginning of the clip and and even this is this is
• 45:24
  mind boggling where when he started playing, he wasn't
• 45:28
  allowed in some of the clubhouses just because of the
• 45:30
  colour of his skin. Like, how ridiculous is that?
• 45:33
  But Tiger, he's like famously quoted for saying, and he was
• 45:36
  like, OK, whatever. He was like, I have two
• 45:38
  questions. He's like, where's the first tee
• 45:41
  and what's the course record? And then it goes into the
• 45:43
  montage of him just being an absolute savage.
• 45:46
  And like, that makes my hair. So that like Tiger Woods from
• 45:49
  the early 2000s is the reason why I got into golf because he
• 45:54
  that was the reason Rory got into golf.
• 45:56
  And they like they had a very similar like really fluid,
• 45:59
  really athletic, really natural swing.
• 46:02
  And when I saw Rory playing golf, I was like, I want to be a
• 46:04
  golfer. And like, that's the progression
• 46:06
  of it. And like Rory's had some issues
• 46:11
  in his career at some point, maybe especially with his
• 46:13
  putting. And like lots of golfers have
• 46:15
  these issues and they try different putters and they try
• 46:17
  different styles. But I think inherently his
• 46:21
  swings very natural. Whereas Bryson's gone through
• 46:24
  this whole process of like re cultivating his swing and like
• 46:27
  using different equipment and learning to trust his equipment
• 46:30
  again. And he has a less traditional
• 46:32
  looking swing. If you put them side by side,
• 46:34
  you'd go, I want to swing like Rory, but whatever, Like Bryson
• 46:38
  swings like Bryson and he hits the ball so far.
• 46:41
  And that's actually like come full circle for me because now
• 46:44
  when I'm playing golf, I used to try and copy someone like Tiger
• 46:48
  Woods or Rory McIlroy. I just copy like a monkey see
• 46:52
  monkey do. I trying to copy their swings
• 46:54
  and that's kind of how I learned how to play.
• 46:56
  But I've realised that I can't have their swing, that's their
• 46:59
  swing. So I need to work with what I
• 47:01
  have. And that's what kind of Bryson
• 47:03
  showed me over the last couple of years where he's got a weird
• 47:06
  looking swing sometimes. And so as a result, I'm OK with
• 47:09
  my swing looking a bit janky sometimes.
• 47:12
  If I get the results I want, starts the job right?
• 47:15
  I think that's one of the biggest sort of maturity things
• 47:18
  that I see in a lot of sport is like you'll see people at the
• 47:20
  top level generally, they just do stuff differently.
• 47:24
  And like you just have to accept that actually that's partly the
• 47:28
  reason they're elite is because they haven't spent ages trying
• 47:30
  to undo what they naturally do. And there's like their bodies
• 47:33
  found a way to do something like you don't necessarily need to
• 47:35
  fight it. And I very much now, but sadly
• 47:38
  you and I are both getting old. So we're probably not going to
• 47:42
  GoPro anytime soon in any sports that we compete in right now.
• 47:45
  But if I was to pick up a sport now, I would actually take the
• 47:50
  approach of, well, there's not really too much point in me
• 47:53
  going to square 1. It's a movement I already sort
• 47:56
  of do. Then I just need to maximize
• 47:59
  attention of that and I could probably still be pretty good
• 48:03
  potentially elite. But if I tried to go and watch
• 48:07
  numerous videos of Rory and his swing and I tried to learn that,
• 48:10
  but all equivalent for whatever sport this could be.
• 48:13
  I will probably have less success if I just went with what
• 48:17
  I can currently do with a bit of help in in shaping that.
• 48:21
  And I think that's what you see when a lot of these athletes and
• 48:24
  golfers especially work with different coaches, that might be
• 48:27
  actually because they feel one coach has tried to change
• 48:30
  something they do too much and another coach might.
• 48:33
  They might just run into another coach and be like, why have you
• 48:35
  changed that? Yeah, you were doing that so
• 48:36
  well. Five years ago, yeah.
• 48:38
  Yeah. And they go, actually that's a
• 48:39
  really good point. And they might go back.
• 48:40
  How? Often do you see that whether
• 48:42
  that's golf, whether I think it's golf and tennis because
• 48:45
  they're so much like mechanical and where you, I think the
• 48:47
  analogy is really, really good, but this is so convoluted.
• 48:50
  But there's another golf YouTube called Grant Horvath who's a + 2
• 48:54
  or something handicapper. So he's like, he's incredibly
• 48:56
  good at golf. He played college, but he
• 48:59
  sometimes does videos with Bryson and you go this
• 49:01
  incredible college golfer, He sucks compared to Bryson.
• 49:05
  Like to be a professional golfer is just like unrivalled.
• 49:08
  And there's also a podcast where a football podcast where they
• 49:11
  ask Gareth Bale if they thought he could be a professional
• 49:14
  golfer because he's he's. Great, like you said about Steph
• 49:17
  Curry as well. Like, great, just naturally.
• 49:20
  Talented, have lots of money and has lots of time and he was like
• 49:23
  obviously not. I think Gareth Bell plays maybe
• 49:25
  nearly off scratch or something like that.
• 49:27
  No way is he good enough. But anyway original point.
• 49:29
  Grant Horvath has his own YouTube channel.
• 49:31
  Also a really good place to go and watch golf YouTube.
• 49:35
  He did a spoof video where he pretended to be a beginner and
• 49:39
  he went to two different PJ pros and asked them for a lesson.
• 49:43
  Kind of the morally wrong whatever.
• 49:45
  He dressed up and pretended to be someone he wasn't.
• 49:47
  But he went and he changed the swing a little bit, but he could
• 49:50
  still naturally hit the ball. And the coaches, because they're
• 49:54
  good coaches, watch the action and went, yeah, good, go again.
• 49:59
  Yeah, go again. I'm not changing anything
• 50:01
  because the result is you're hitting the ball well.
• 50:04
  So it's like a sign of a good coach.
• 50:06
  I think it's like if Rory McIlroy came to me and was like,
• 50:09
  can you help me with my swing? There's probably not much I'm
• 50:12
  changing. So one of the I had a golf
• 50:16
  lesson when I was, so I used to play golf as well.
• 50:18
  I went to driving range, it was Wentworth.
• 50:20
  So for those that don't know Wentworth, very famous course in
• 50:23
  the UK, it's been home to the Open.
• 50:28
  Was that every first ever golf lesson?
• 50:31
  No it wasn't my first ever, it was just it.
• 50:33
  I got it for Christmas and birthday is like a.
• 50:36
  That's a great gift. It was.
• 50:37
  Really cool. And I went in and bear in mind,
• 50:39
  again, this is like probably 12 years ago now.
• 50:44
  I walked in and the guy was like, yeah, just hit some guess
• 50:47
  what? Club 7 iron obviously just hit
• 50:50
  some 7 iron shots for me. And then after like 8 shots he
• 50:53
  was like, OK, just stop there. If you just come over here and
• 50:55
  he got an iPad out. Whoa, what are we doing here?
• 50:58
  And there was multiple. Characters.
• 51:00
  And basically the software hood recognize and compared my swing
• 51:04
  to a pro swing and then he could just coach me off that.
• 51:08
  And so he was like, so you're actually pretty similar.
• 51:10
  And he was like, the problem that we've got here is you are
• 51:12
  young. So like you're going to grow and
• 51:13
  it's going to change. But like this is what we'll work
• 51:16
  off and this is, you know, the differences and how you can
• 51:19
  match myself. So cool being like, OK, I should
• 51:22
  play golf like this person. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:23
  So all of a sudden it was like, OK, well, sadly I'm not playing
• 51:26
  golf like Tiger Woods, but I am playing like this.
• 51:28
  He's professional and I can actually go and watch what they
• 51:30
  do and like, start to model my golf game around that.
• 51:33
  And that's again when I was playing American football.
• 51:38
  I seems like same process. As soon as Josh Allen came
• 51:41
  along, yeah, everyone was like, you throw like him.
• 51:43
  I was like, well, that's great. He's he's got a cannon.
• 51:46
  He's a very, he's basically a very successful player.
• 51:48
  But at the time he was a pretty bad athlete in the NFL.
• 51:53
  Well, pretty bad athlete in college because he wasn't really
• 51:55
  that recognised. And so I was a bit like, I don't
• 51:58
  like that comparison now. Gassed about it.
• 52:00
  Yeah. Yeah, One of the best.
• 52:01
  At the time, I was like, I want to be Aaron Rodgers.
• 52:03
  Yeah, Yeah. Now glad I'm not like Aaron
• 52:05
  Rodgers. Yeah.
• 52:06
  It's funny, isn't it? Yeah.
• 52:09
  Anyway. I think my first golf lesson if
• 52:11
  we if we don't go on because I want to put this in because I've
• 52:15
  been I've been obsessed with it and I've been like trying to hit
• 52:19
  balls on the range and like faffing my way around it.
• 52:21
  But I was just constantly watching videos of Rory and
• 52:25
  constantly watching videos of Tiger.
• 52:28
  Everyone else was like maybe Ian Poulter, bit of Justin Rose, Lee
• 52:31
  Westwood. At the time, I was like obsessed
• 52:33
  and Luke Donald, like the British players.
• 52:35
  So when I went for my first, like, official lesson, I was
• 52:38
  basically just copying them. And the guys like, just to like
• 52:42
  boost my ego and gas myself up. He was like, you sure you
• 52:46
  haven't played golf before? And like that for me, I was
• 52:48
  like, Oh my God, that's incredible because I'm like the
• 52:51
  ability to just like watch and replicate.
• 52:53
  And I think there's so much merit in that.
• 52:55
  I'm just trying to like see a movement and do it.
• 53:00
  I'm not going to talk about a book, but there's a, there's a
• 53:02
  book that I'm currently reading where it tries the same
• 53:05
  principles in tennis coaching where it's like, I'm not going
• 53:08
  to speak and talk. I'm not going to tell you how to
• 53:10
  do it. I'm just going to show you.
• 53:13
  And then you're going to try it. And the results are like night
• 53:16
  and day. Like if you just see something
• 53:18
  and you cognitively learn that way, the ability to just copy is
• 53:22
  is crazy. One of the really interesting
• 53:24
  things that I learn, and this will be probably the last thing
• 53:26
  I need to say about golf, is when it comes to driving, one of
• 53:30
  the things that you can learn from Tiger Woods is to not do it
• 53:33
  under the influence. I thought you were going to say
• 53:37
  something serious. Sorry.
• 53:39
  It was in my head like. Five years ago.
• 53:41
  I need to. Sorry, Tiger.
• 53:45
  Yeah, that's shame. That's tough.
• 53:47
  You're on Game Patrol. I am this week.
• 53:50
  As always, I'm very excited about my game and I've spent an
• 53:54
  embarrassingly long time prepping the game.
• 53:57
  I don't know if it's going to work though, and I haven't gone
• 53:59
  through quality control, which is Angus yet.
• 54:01
  But we're going to try a brand new game.
• 54:04
  We've never done it before. And I'm going to give Angus some
• 54:06
  audio clips. All right, So I'm going to play
• 54:09
  some audio that I've pre recorded on my phone.
• 54:12
  I'm going to do it into the microphone.
• 54:14
  So for you guys at home listening, you'll be able to
• 54:17
  also hear now it's famous commentary.
• 54:21
  So it's from sporting events. It might be matches, it might be
• 54:25
  different things, Olympics, football, all different sorts of
• 54:29
  things. Motorsport, there's going to be
• 54:31
  some questions related to that thing.
• 54:36
  But the first thing you're going to have to do is basically
• 54:38
  figure out what the event is from.
• 54:39
  OK, alright, so I like it. I think the first one I've had
• 54:43
  to crop them down because some were too easy.
• 54:45
  So I think the first one is quite famous.
• 54:47
  So hopefully you should be over here.
• 54:49
  I'm just going to crank the volume up and we're going to see
• 54:52
  what happens. So let's do this first one do.
• 54:59
  You know what, When you said that this is the game you were
• 55:01
  doing, I knew this was the one that was in my head straight
• 55:03
  away, I swear. You'll never see anything like
• 55:09
  this ever again, so watch it. Take it in.
• 55:16
  I was at my kitchen table watching this on an illegal live
• 55:20
  stream and Sergio Aguero it is. Scored a 90 + 3 minute goal to
• 55:28
  beat QPR and win Manchester City's first ever Premier League
• 55:32
  do. You know what year?
• 55:34
  Oh, that's going to be a bonus point because you got who scored
• 55:37
  and which team won, and you also got the team they beat.
• 55:42
  But you're still not sure if I know?
• 55:44
  What year? What year it happened?
• 55:47
  Every time I watch that on YouTube I actually get
• 55:49
  goosebumps and I hate football. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 55:52
  I'm going to go and I think it's between one of two years in my
• 55:55
  head. I think it was 2013.
• 56:01
  I really wanted you to get it right. 20/14/2012 That was
• 56:05
  honestly that was that was so sudden how quickly you got that.
• 56:09
  The quality was quite good. The quality on some of them is
• 56:11
  sceptical. So we'll go for the second one.
• 56:13
  Hopefully you at home can also hear.
• 56:15
  For those that weren't aware, the the audio clip started after
• 56:20
  the G of no. Well.
• 56:23
  But it like honestly iconic. Yeah, yeah, it's so good.
• 56:26
  OK, here we go. It's for the second one.
• 56:29
  To be take the yardage, set him up.
• 56:32
  He won't miss, he won't keep missing.
• 56:34
  No crucial kick up. That's the drop goal.
• 56:40
  I had to crop a lot out because it was too obvious, but there's
• 56:43
  a bit at the end. Which bit?
• 56:44
  At the end says drop goal, I'm going to assume that was Johnny
• 56:47
  Wilkinson hitting the drop goal in the 2003 World Cup final to
• 56:51
  win the World Cup for England. Again I unbelievable best moment
• 56:55
  of my life honestly. I I have.
• 56:57
  I told you I lost a tooth that day.
• 56:59
  Did you? I was rugby tackling my sofa out
• 57:03
  of excitement and then I was. This is such an elongated story,
• 57:08
  I'll try and leave the middle. I lost a tooth in doing so from
• 57:11
  excitement. At the same time I was eating
• 57:13
  Millie's cookie. I didn't realise I'd lost a
• 57:15
  tooth. I thought it was a chocolate
• 57:17
  chip that was too hard, so I spat that out and then later on
• 57:22
  I was like, just need to grow up.
• 57:23
  It's just a chocolate chip. So I went and ate it.
• 57:27
  You ate your. Tea.
• 57:27
  I ate my own tea. Oh my.
• 57:29
  God, I just swallowed it. We didn't need that story, but
• 57:32
  I'm glad we got it. I'm glad we got it, actually.
• 57:35
  I don't know why, but some of these like make me emotional.
• 57:38
  I get that. Especially the World Cup final.
• 57:41
  I'm not a very emotional person, but sport makes me quite
• 57:44
  emotional sometimes. One of them in particular made
• 57:46
  me really emotional. Anyway, this next one, you
• 57:48
  ready? Go for it.
• 57:51
  Last 100 meters. Can Mo Farah hang on to this?
• 57:55
  He's got eyeballs out now. Longest C.
• 57:58
  We're in second place of Gina there and the gap coming wide.
• 58:01
  You've got Trip though, and MO Farah's coming down the straight
• 58:04
  way and he's going to be A. OK, so I'm pretty sure this is
• 58:11
  the 2012 Olympics. Good start.
• 58:13
  It's obviously Mo Farah when he got his gold medal and I'm
• 58:17
  pretty sure it was the 5K that he was running on track, but I'm
• 58:21
  now concerned by your face that it was the 10K or I'm pretty
• 58:26
  sure those are the 2. Different.
• 58:27
  You're going to have to commit to one of them.
• 58:36
  He holds the British record for the 10K, doesn't he?
• 58:39
  Yeah. I'm going to go on the on the
• 58:41
  track, yeah. Don't think he holds on the
• 58:44
  road. But this was on a track, I'm
• 58:45
  going to say 10K. You should have backed.
• 58:48
  Yourself. No.
• 58:49
  Really. So I was.
• 58:51
  I was annoyed that you guessed it right first.
• 58:53
  OK. But I was very confident.
• 58:56
  Already won. He'd already won the 10K.
• 58:58
  OK so this was the 5K where he doubled it and was a double
• 59:02
  Olympic jump. Damn.
• 59:03
  OK, so I'm obviously gutted because I'm not getting the
• 59:05
  point, but in my head internally, I'm like, I got that
• 59:07
  right, Yeah. Yeah, that's fair enough.
• 59:10
  And I honestly, that's probably my most viewed video on YouTube.
• 59:14
  It's so embarrassed. I'll watch the whole 5K race.
• 59:16
  It's so good. OK, next one, then this one.
• 59:19
  This one's way harder. This one's pretty convoluted
• 59:21
  and. Wins the Japanese Grand Prix and
• 59:26
  I've got to stop because I've got to lump it by throat.
• 59:31
  So your job is to figure out who won the Japanese Grand Prix, But
• 59:36
  that's very famous, Mari Walker commentating and having to stop
• 59:40
  because he was so emotional that this person won.
• 59:43
  So I'm thinking obviously it being Murray Walker, who is a
• 59:47
  legend of BBC coverage for Formula One, he is actually not
• 59:53
  with the same he is dead. So this was a little while ago,
• 59:57
  which makes me think that this was back in a different time.
• 1:00:05
  Think links between potential nationalities.
• 1:00:11
  Why Murray Walker might be. Emotion.
• 1:00:16
  So obviously British would be a a solid guess, a key guess
• 1:00:20
  there. But at the same time, I'm
• 1:00:22
  wondering who it could be in that era.
• 1:00:27
  Because you'll kick yourself, but it's really hard.
• 1:00:33
  I don't think, because I'm thinking of British drivers of
• 1:00:36
  the era, I don't think it would be David Coulthard, but he is
• 1:00:40
  the most recent of that era. Yeah, so before him it.
• 1:00:43
  Was good, but before him then you'd have been looking
• 1:00:48
  potentially at people like Nigel Mansell and there's another one
• 1:00:55
  which I should immediately be thinking of.
• 1:00:59
  My dad would flake me in the head for this because I I can
• 1:01:03
  see him. I think he.
• 1:01:07
  Beat in this race he beat Michael Schumacher.
• 1:01:10
  I think Michael Schumacher rolled over second.
• 1:01:13
  God, there's there's British names of legends of racing like
• 1:01:16
  Jackie Stewart coming to mind, but it's not.
• 1:01:19
  I think that's era before me. Yeah, it is.
• 1:01:22
  Oh, this is horrible. You're going to be so annoyed, I
• 1:01:24
  think, because I think it's on the tip of your tongue.
• 1:01:29
  It really is on the tip of my tongue.
• 1:01:34
  No, this is horrible. And we know what I'm like with
• 1:01:37
  names on this podcast. I'm just like, this is my
• 1:01:40
  biggest weak point. I'm tempted to ask us to carry
• 1:01:46
  on and see if we can come back to it, really, but I don't know
• 1:01:50
  why you would allow me to do that.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah, you can have a think about it.
• 1:01:54
  OK. I don't know how much room
• 1:01:56
  you'll have to think with all of these other ones that are coming
• 1:01:59
  thick and fast. Nah, go on.
• 1:02:02
  Just tell me. Damon Hill.
• 1:02:06
  That's so annoying because like I said, I can see him.
• 1:02:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew he had white hair.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:12
  As soon as he said Nigel Mansell, I was like, he's going
• 1:02:14
  to get there. Yeah, he's going to get.
• 1:02:16
  There, that's annoying. All right, this one easy.
• 1:02:18
  Must, must have. Oh my.
• 1:02:27
  Goodness. In your life, have you seen
• 1:02:42
  anything like? That some of the best commentary
• 1:02:47
  ever in your life. Tell me about it.
• 1:02:50
  Tell me everything you know about it.
• 1:02:52
  OK, so I I'm going to struggle to tell you which hole it was.
• 1:02:56
  OK, but this is Tiger Woods smash playing in the Masters and
• 1:03:02
  good start. He is just off the green.
• 1:03:05
  He is a shot down at this point on Sunday in red.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, he he chips in. But like when he chips in, he
• 1:03:16
  chips this thing like 8 feet up the green slope and it just
• 1:03:21
  trickles down. And Nike paid for this to
• 1:03:24
  happen. But the Nike logo is on the ball
• 1:03:27
  that like staring directly at the camera when the ball stops
• 1:03:30
  on the edge of the car and then it has half a rotation and falls
• 1:03:33
  in. You can't write it.
• 1:03:34
  And it was just like Tiger, one of the best things I've ever
• 1:03:39
  seen. I've got goosebumps now thinking
• 1:03:40
  about it. I had goosebumps when I watched
• 1:03:42
  it this morning. Tiger went on to win that
• 1:03:43
  Masters. Do you know what year it was?
• 1:03:46
  This would be a complete guess I'm going to.
• 1:03:48
  Say like the era I'm. Going to say, is it like 2006?
• 1:03:53
  2005 and it's the 16th which is probably my favorite hole I.
• 1:03:58
  Thought I was going to say 16th or 17th. 117th was par 3 so very
• 1:04:04
  good. Good.
• 1:04:05
  This one, this one's super niche so and it's quite long, but I
• 1:04:11
  think you're going to have to we're going to listen to all of
• 1:04:13
  it. Just bear with it.
• 1:04:15
  There's some weird bits. It's it's very chaotic and then
• 1:04:18
  I can kind of explain what's going on afterwards.
• 1:04:20
  But it's it's iconic for lots of different reasons and.
• 1:04:24
  Can absolutely fly. I just don't think they can do
• 1:04:28
  it, Dan. I mean, Jason Lezak has been
• 1:04:30
  there. How many times in his career has
• 1:04:33
  he anchored this free relay and medley relay?
• 1:04:35
  But I, I just don't think he can do it.
• 1:04:38
  He's trying to ride that wave as much as possible.
• 1:04:41
  Bernard is pulling away from him. the United States trying to
• 1:04:45
  hang on a second. They should get the silver
• 1:04:47
  medal, but Lezak is closing a little bit.
• 1:04:58
  Can the veteran chase him down and pull off a shack on?
• 1:05:14
  You OK? So straight away.
• 1:05:16
  There's it's chaotic. Straight away very chaotic.
• 1:05:20
  I'm, I'm not sure to be honest. I think it's quite clearly
• 1:05:24
  athletics. Quite.
• 1:05:26
  Clearly. Really.
• 1:05:28
  OK, maybe not, but I was going to say, I think it it sounds
• 1:05:31
  like it was a 4 by 400 relay and the American team pulled back a
• 1:05:39
  pretty tough you're. Close with the relay, America.
• 1:05:44
  You're wrong with distance and sport.
• 1:05:48
  A relay that isn't athletics, that is like a legit sport.
• 1:05:52
  Also Summer Olympics. Again, you're going to kick
• 1:06:02
  yourself. OK.
• 1:06:07
  I'll give you a clue in. Our Olympics for but well, OK.
• 1:06:10
  In the relay team, one of, if not the most decorated Olympians
• 1:06:17
  ever, I think ever American Olympian.
• 1:06:21
  Oh, is it swimming? OK, Oh, now I obviously remember
• 1:06:26
  it. It was.
• 1:06:28
  It was the 19. No.
• 1:06:31
  OK. I'm going to give it to you.
• 1:06:35
  And you shouldn't. Cool.
• 1:06:37
  I've been spending that. That gone.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, so the back story is Michael Phelps at the 2008
• 1:06:45
  Beijing Summer Games. What's it then?
• 1:06:46
  Yeah, that country sounds so old.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah. Doesn't it?
• 1:06:49
  So the the reason why it's so chaotic, so set the scene.
• 1:06:54
  Michael Phelps has won seven golds and this is the 4 by 100
• 1:06:59
  free. This is his opportunity to win 8
• 1:07:02
  golds and this is the one where they're very unlikely to win it.
• 1:07:06
  They're like this is the touch and go on.
• 1:07:07
  We don't know. We don't think they can do it.
• 1:07:09
  The French team is very strong. The Australian team is very
• 1:07:12
  strong. Michael Phelps starts swims
• 1:07:16
  super fast. Whatever.
• 1:07:18
  I think on this last leg, this guy called Jason Lezak, who you
• 1:07:22
  can hear the commentators shouting and they this for me
• 1:07:25
  like this got me excited about swimming, got me into like
• 1:07:29
  watching swimming because the commentators just screaming.
• 1:07:32
  This guy's like Lezak, Lezak and he basically just turns around.
• 1:07:38
  They're all well be like well over world record pace and they
• 1:07:42
  claw back this victory and you hear the beeping out.
• 1:07:45
  That's Michael Phelps screaming and it's beeped out on the
• 1:07:48
  commentary. You can literally hear Michael
• 1:07:51
  Phelps screaming because he's like, it's on here and it's
• 1:07:54
  honestly, you should watch it on YouTube like it's I actually
• 1:07:56
  will. It's really cool.
• 1:07:57
  It's really, really cool. But that was the story of how he
• 1:08:00
  got his his eighth gold medal in Beijing.
• 1:08:03
  That's it, isn't it? All right, we've got a few more.
• 1:08:05
  We're going to keep them coming. So this is your next one.
• 1:08:10
  Oh, that's now recording your audio.
• 1:08:13
  I don't want that. We want this.
• 1:08:15
  It's going to be cool. It's not Jamaica that is.
• 1:08:22
  Superb. It's a you OK, Was that the 4 by
• 1:08:25
  100? Oh, wait, wait.
• 1:08:26
  And it's going to be gold for Jamaica.
• 1:08:28
  That would imply that it. Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  My laugh doesn't have to put you off, no.
• 1:08:33
  No. Is it a 4 by 100 world record
• 1:08:35
  set by Jamaica at the 2012 Olympics he loves?
• 1:08:38
  The relay at the moment, no, it's not.
• 1:08:40
  It's not a relay. Wasn't a relay.
• 1:08:50
  New world record. For you're close.
• 1:08:52
  You're very, very close. Is it just like Usain Bolt doing
• 1:08:55
  something in 200 meters? 100 meters?
• 1:08:57
  Really. I didn't think you'd give a gold
• 1:08:59
  to Jamaica like gold for Usain Bolt.
• 1:09:01
  So the commentary up until that point, he's literally said and
• 1:09:06
  here comes Usain Bolt, it's going to be gold for Jamaica.
• 1:09:09
  OK, It's a new world record and it's him again, 2008 Beijing,
• 1:09:13
  you know the one where he like he's pulling away and it's just
• 1:09:16
  like embarrassing. Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Why in front is and he runs like a 97 something, I think.
• 1:09:22
  Is that the world record something around that 9.5858 is
• 1:09:27
  it? Yeah, it's whatever it is, it's
• 1:09:30
  ridiculous. Give.
• 1:09:31
  Me, give me one more. You can have.
• 1:09:33
  Three more if you want. I can't.
• 1:09:34
  I'm going to take one more. OK, fine.
• 1:09:37
  One giant leap for human. Endeavour.
• 1:09:41
  And you know, Kipchogi was right.
• 1:09:44
  No Cuban. Is.
• 1:09:45
  Limited Kipchogi breaks the two hour marathon.
• 1:09:50
  So good, I want to see that last last kilometer again.
• 1:09:54
  Like that gives me goosebumps. I saw a really funny Instagram
• 1:09:57
  rail the other day and it was like when you decide to put
• 1:10:00
  something on YouTube while you do the cleaning and it's a guy
• 1:10:02
  stood in front of the TV for two hours not doing anything, just
• 1:10:05
  watching. Yeah, so good.
• 1:10:07
  That's literally me. And people are like, how do you
• 1:10:09
  sit and watch the marathon? I'm like, it's captivating.
• 1:10:11
  Honestly, it is. Well, it's so good.
• 1:10:13
  I'm sorry for cutting your game shortly.
• 1:10:14
  You're literally going to be cut short in the studio.
• 1:10:16
  Oh, perfect. That's why.
• 1:10:18
  But I was actually really enjoying that.
• 1:10:19
  It's a really good game. We are.
• 1:10:20
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• 1:10:22
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• 1:10:24
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• 1:10:27
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