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Spider-Noir (Episodes 5 & 6) · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God. I got home from my Pathfinder game last
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night and stopped in at a tap room to see my
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friend Kindra. hockey was playing on the big
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tv and i was just like when when did they all
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have gay sex that's that's what hockey's about
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right that's what the internet has told me hockey
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is about i mean i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure
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all sports have been a little bit gay forever
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but they've just claimed that they're not which
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is really stupid it's like yeah let's just pretend
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that there have been no gays ever because it's
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inconvenient for our narrative They touch a lot
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of butts in sports. Easier and more accessible.
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I think hockey is one of the few sports where
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you have the least amount of like sexualizable
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body parts shown during game. During games. Yes.
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Yeah. There's a reason why they take their helmets
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off so they can fight. There's they are not allowed
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to wear face masks. So, you know, the mouth is
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always exposed. I did see a guy. I did. It's
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actually the opposite. They're very allowed to
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wear face masks. It's just that none of them
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want to. Is that right? yeah wow that's so dumb
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they had to actually enforce like the visors
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and some of them are grandfathered in the last
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guy to be grandfathered in without a visor like
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retired recently that's amazing some guys like
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push it to where it's only like barely covering
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like halfway down the eyes it's pushed back so
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far i saw a guy catch a fucking puck to the teeth
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the other night yeah an 87 miler Yeah, the photos
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of him because he suited up for the next game.
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He's wearing a full cage and his nose looks like
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it was stitched back on completely. Holy shit.
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Yeah, it's crazy. I feel like there's no chance
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I would play that sport without protection. Yeah.
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Yeah, the women are a lot smarter and they either
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have to wear like full face. Like Plexi or. You
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could have just ended with the women are a lot
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smarter in most sentences. Yeah. Most paragraphs
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could end there. Yeah. I could never figure out
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how to make a sandwich the way they make a sandwich.
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Like they just got it where it counts. You know,
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I tell you. I walked into that one. Those women.
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You did. You did kind of fall into that trap.
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I did set them up. Set them up, knock them down.
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Yeah. Yeah. See. Hey, we get an explanation as
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to why he talks that way. yeah fucking yeah good
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on me i fucking called that one i called my shot
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early uh so welcome back to cage magical and
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roundabout way meeting nicholas cage i'm sean
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say and i'm here with my co -host nick yeah and
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our producer Peter. Nipples. My nipples. Nipples
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and chon productions. Oh, yeah, chon. I want
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I OK, I tried to watch a little bit of the show
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in color this go around and I wanted to look
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more like Dick Tracy. if it's gonna be in color
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i want it to be more i want it to be more like
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over the top a little more i will say yeah i
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will correct myself uh i did find out i was wrong
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about not over correcting color uh last time
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because they a lot of their interior backgrounds
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were like hot pink and like actually painted
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for extreme shadow and in the 11th hour they
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recolorized the entire show ew why yeah huh Because
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people won't watch Black and White. Oh, yeah.
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I mean, I don't think we're getting another season
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of this because this show wound up costing like
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hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce.
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Well, hopefully more than hundreds of thousands.
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Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce
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sounds pretty cheap. Hundreds of millions because
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they had to recolorize the entire show. Yeah.
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Well, maybe they'll just do all future stuff
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in Black and White. Yeah, it seems like they
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fucked themselves on that, but yeah. I mean,
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if this is all we get. i think it ends on a great
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note i agree but we're not there yet no but i
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do know people who just straight up i mean we
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talked about this last time will not watch something
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in black and white yeah it's true and that's
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too bad because it does look best that way particularly
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these two episodes which are really the most
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horror show shit that we get this entire show
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yeah so up front we're gonna spoil everything
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uh if you don't know that yet you should you
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haven't been listening to us we're gonna just
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run through the plot line for episodes five and
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six of spider noir and um i mean up off the top
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if you don't know nick cage plays ben reilly
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um aka the spider moran morris plays his buddy
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and photographer friend and reporter robbie robertson
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his name is joe robbie robertson robertson yeah
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Lin Jun Lee, John Lee plays. Thank you. I got
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it on tech. Take number two plays. Why do I want
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to call her cat power? Cat power would be cool,
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though. Brendan Gleeson plays the big bad Silvermane.
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I don't remember who plays Flint Marco, but he's
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there. He has a sick little mustache, little
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mustache. Yeah, there's a guy who is Tombstone.
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And there's also a guy who is Megawatt. Is it
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OK? So my friend. and i got into this my friend
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pointed out like he's got scaly like face is
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he just supposed to be the lizard have we just
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been dumb no they call him tombstone yeah and
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you know they shoot him and it doesn't penetrate
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his study i'm just trying to figure out why he
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has the like no i think it's just a silly character
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design yeah so okay so one of the big things
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that's revealed through this entire two episode
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arc is that They all are part of this like German
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World War One experimentation thing, right? You
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know, the Germans are fucking with crazy shit
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and using POWs to test it on. They show all these
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people with like organic creatures being infused.
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But then the big bads that we have are an electricity
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guy, a fire guy who dies in episode one, a stone
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guy and a sand guy. OK, electricity guy could
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be like an electric eel. Yeah, they do say electric
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eel. Yeah, I think there was some like a shot
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with an eel. There was a shot with an eel. And
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Ben Reilly brings it up at some point, but I
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think it was just an eel man. The evil scientist,
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when she's describing, is like, they were, you
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know, their blood was mixed with animals. Beat.
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And other things. And minerals. There was a hand
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-waved line in there somewhere about how like,
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oh, wait, let's make sure. I just feel like they
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could have easily gotten in a scorpion or something
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else that is probably a special effects issue.
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Could be. I just found it interesting that they
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picked the non -creature versions. Yeah. I do
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like the one change to the lore of this where
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Ben Reilly doesn't get his spider amazing spider
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powers from being bitten by a radioactive spider,
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but rather by being bitten by a radioactive man.
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Yeah, man spider is so good. Man spider is good.
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I like I mean, it's pretty horrifying to look
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at. Yeah, the practical effect on that is really
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good. Yeah, man spider is great. No, I'm not
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going to do my dumb joke. Peter already heard
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my dumb joke. Oh, man. So you're actually screening
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your jokes now? I usually do. Why couldn't this
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have started happening years ago? Say your joke,
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Sean. All right. No, no, I fucked it up. Yeah,
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it can happen. All right, fine, because the people
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want it. Yeah, we ran a quick poll. So if he
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was bitten by a radioactive Spider -Man, does
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that make him Spider -Man Man? yep okay that's
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what we were all clamoring for yeah we needed
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that people wanted i guarantee you i guarantee
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you bill appreciated that i'm sure bill will
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when when bill listens to this in cyprus or wherever
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he is right now yeah um okay so yeah the whole
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thing kind of starts out the the reveal of the
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background right this world war one experimentation
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stuff um ben getting bitten by man spider um
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it starts out because he's explaining his past
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to cat hardy correct yeah yeah he's in a diner
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and tells us the whole like war story to cat
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right free pie free pie yeah in in this a depression
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in this economy yeah free blueberries all right
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they just liked interracial couples at that place
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yeah You know, they were as they did in the 20s,
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30s, whatever it was. Yeah. Loved mixing. Oh,
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man. OK, so World War One. Yeah. Yeah. He liberates
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a town. There's lots of shooting. He found some
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experiments. He was bit by a man spider. And
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we get a lot of like good cagery. Fuck. When
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he is going through his recovery. Yeah. His recovery
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is so good. All these like poses that he keeps
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getting himself into. We get a digitally de -aged
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Nick Cage. That doesn't look terrible. I was
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going to say the de -aging effect was pretty
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decent. You know, as far as those go, I thought
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it looked OK. I don't know what that looked like
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in color. I only saw it in black and white. Maybe
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that's probably probably fakier, but. But we
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also get an explanation for his weird twitching,
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which is when he got bit like his. brain essentially
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kind of like rewired itself to be more spider
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than man so we had to relearn to be a man uh
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we had to relearn how to walk and like move properly
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and speak hence why he talks like a caricature
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of a gum like a gumshoe from the movies because
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that's how he retaught himself to speak i called
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it I mean, I'm glad they explained it. It does
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make sense. I mean, I think it could have been
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easily just that he's a guy from the 20s, 30s
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who like talks weird. I mean, they all did in
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those movies. But yeah, I mean, I like that,
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you know, it was a relearning how to integrate
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into society concept. I think that's kind of
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cool because they could have just easily hand
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waved that away. One thing that I was curious
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about, he does a lot of back posing. Do spiders
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go on their backs a lot? Like, well, when you
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like smack a spider. and yeah like it gets all
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curly yeah it's always on its back like those
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legs don't go the other way no but i mean why
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was he doing death poses yeah as an alive guy
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because nicholas cage is a character actor yeah
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because it's awesome it was awesome i can almost
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guarantee you not in the script i will say it's
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it's pretty hard to get um like video recordings
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of any of these shows because there's all this
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like drm shit to protect it but i am definitely
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going to find a way to get footage of him doing
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those poses because it's fantastic yeah it's
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some of my favorite body work he's done maybe
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ever um these two episodes in particular are
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fucking crushing it for that yeah what else has
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he really done like great like body and movement
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stuff we get his sneakiness in uh yeah peggy
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sue i mean he does some body stuff in um long
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legs renfield long legs and renfield yeah that
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might be the most of it i mean he's pretty fucking
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wild in vampire's kiss but it's less like herky
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jerky yeah quote unquote spider poses wild at
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heart yeah a lot of kicking and flipping yeah
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that was definitely his most like cool closing
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other than con air but con air he's more just
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like roundhouse kicking yeah more or physically
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active yeah oh jean -claude van damme yeah so
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yeah the the kg motions so good it fits so well
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in the the story and also just gave us gave us
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what we wanted yes Like a Spider -Man man joke.
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It just gave us what we were all asking for.
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What the people want. I really noticed in this
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back half of the series, they played to the black
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and white so much better. I felt there's like,
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especially when we get into the lab, the like
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the horse side of things. yeah the scenery really
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kind of uh gives itself up to it a lot better
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yeah there's a shot of him being dragged down
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the stairs and it's just his feet in the rain
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in the dark and it's really pretty amazing that's
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in that's in the next episode but yeah yeah um
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okay so the big reveal from the first or the
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the jesus christ our second episode about episodes
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three and four God, this is a horrible way to
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have to talk about it. It is. I'm going to let
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you do it. Is that Lonnie Lincoln Tombstone reveals
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that they have all been seeing Doc Faber. So
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all signs point to this doctor and they decide
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to go and do some snooping. Yep. And snoop they
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do. Yeah, they. Well, so I was reviewing my notes.
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Yeah. So like Robbie goes in to ask the doc some
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questions after Robbie gets. His second article
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published. Mm hmm. He uses his credentials at
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the Bugle to get in. So I think his second one's
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been published by this point. Doc Faber has like
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an older bodyguard slash secretary that's very
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protective of her. But while they're talking
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to Robbie, the spider spiders his way very in
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an old man fashion. Yeah. Into. Into her office
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to like start snooping. Yeah, so Ben climbs through
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the window. He doesn't spider in. He doesn't
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have the mask on or anything. That's true. He
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just comes in from the roof. He did climb onto
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the roof to get there, but yes. But he stumbles
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in through the window. And yeah, when Robbie
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can't distract the doctor any longer while Nick
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is or Ben is digging through and finding all
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of the secret drawers and stuff of that nature,
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the doctor bursts back in. ben has secreted the
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uh you that's a gross way he's secreted the files
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the files out through the window uh he does like
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a really crazy like uh crazy person thing yeah
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that little hand motion uh josie and i were talking
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about the second floor The second floor. Some
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people online were saying that they suspect it
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was like an homage to David Lynch's fire walk
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with me stuff. I saw that, too, actually. And
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some people kicked it back to like also doing
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things like that in a. He did that with long
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legs, with long legs as well. The face covering
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thing. Yeah. So definitely a thing that Nick
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does, but it very much could be inspired by some
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David Lynch. yeah weirdness which you know fair
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enough doesn't surprise me yeah i would expect
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that from him to pull something from david lynch's
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world but her assistant ogden recognizes him
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because he recognizes him from france from the
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pow camp yeah which gives us the reveal that
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he's actually one of the pows that was saved
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but he got experimented on and his superpower
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is oldness aging yeah rapidly no one ages like
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ogden ages i don't think we get that right away
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there but maybe not no that's at the beginning
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of the next episode but yeah but uh ben and robbie
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get away with the files and they're able to look
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over the all of that back at the the office later
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so after that it goes into just a return to megawatt
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who's been broken out of prison at this point
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okay so megawatt in the first episode that we
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meet him in episode four i was like he's like
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so on the nose for this show and i hate him yeah
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he's so fucking annoying and then in this episode
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i was like he still is annoying as shit and i
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love him everything he does is just so annoying
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it's like 11 just peaking all the time all the
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time he's always quoting shakespeare he's super
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like theatrical weak but you know kudos to the
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writers we get a reason that he wants to be a
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broadway performer but is instead uh just a subway
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subway driver right right so he's getting beat
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up in the in the joint you know yeah making mouthing
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off the fucking cops as you do he gets beat up
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quite a bit but then silvermane and his crew
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show up oh that's right because they've recruited
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tombstone yeah yeah they've uh flint recruited
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tombstone flint tombstone show up they uh beat
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up the cops and take him out to uh go meet silvermane
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who makes him a deal and then megawatt kills
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a guard with a kiss and it's weird that's exactly
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how i wrote it he kissed him to death Yeah, he
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did. He shocked him while kissing him. One of
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my notes was one of my notes was about Tombstone
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and Sandman. I said, oh, Exima man and the bumps
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back together again. Well, after but speaking
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of it being weird, your note of it being weird.
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As soon as that happens, I think it just cuts
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to Silverman who goes, oh, it's weird. Yeah,
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he did. I loved his expression. Brendan Gleeson
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is so good. He's clearly my favorite actor in
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this other than Nicolas Cage. Sorry. I love that
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he's doing. an irish accent yeah it's like you
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could just be irish but no no you gotta amp it
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up with a little extra irishness yeah oh okay
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sorry i've got to back up for a second one of
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my favorite lines of this entire fucking episode
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is when robbie goes to the hospital to try and
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like confront the doctor right so he's talking
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to this shitty racist nurse at the desk oh yeah
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and she's just ignoring him and ignoring him
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he shows his credentials and she's like begrudgingly
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you know this and she's reading all quiet on
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the western front and he just goes he says paul
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dies paul dies at the end and walks away yeah
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probably it's just my favorite character in this
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entire show in like the third or fourth episode
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when he goes and talks to the editor at the bugle
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and he's leaving i was like do i have this open
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or closed closed and he just walks away with
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the door open oh my god yeah i love just the
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kind of snarky dickishness that most people have
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in this Like almost everybody is a little snarky
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and a little dickish and it's terrific. It is
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terrific. The only people who are never that
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way, I think are like Flint. Flint is just like
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a good guy who keeps getting like his heart broken
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and doesn't know what to do. Right. It throws
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in with the wrong crowd. I do want to say I do
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enjoy the three core characters of. ben robbie
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and janet uh because before they go and steal
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the files ben comes in and like they tell him
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it's so good like you know they tell him all
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the stuff they learned in about the doc and lonnie
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and like you know they have a lead like well
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what are we waiting for he's like you asshole
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yeah i love also when he's he's sort of like
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he makes these leaps of you know intelligence
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or whatever and they're like whoa well that's
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why you're the detective that's why your name
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is on the door and he's like okay so you already
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knew yeah oh god yeah yeah there's there's good
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uh good interplay between all the characters
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yeah i mean i think it really looks like they're
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fun and comfortable around each other right like
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janet and robbie seem like actual friends who
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understand the banter that they would have in
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this like long -term relationship it feels very
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real it's cool i mean it's very easy energy and
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like salty at the same time yeah yeah the characters
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have history beyond episode one right which is
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nice yeah oh after uh they break uh megawatt
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out and everything uh it just goes back to ben
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showing up at silver mains and then they talk
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uh some mad shit to each other uh that's right
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yeah flint comes in and kind of like gets in
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ben's face and then like he leaves oh and we
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get another hot dog line yeah we get another
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hot dog line that's good i love the hot dogs
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in this i'm still disgusted by the way he eats
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them some gross maybe it's like how spiders eat
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a hot maybe spiders eat a hot dog yeah just goes
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for the gooeyness i was gonna say he eats them
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like a spider For those of you who haven't watched
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the show, he like he just wraps him in webbing
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and then just like sucks it out with a straw.
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Yeah. Yeah. So he just confronts him about like
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knowing about him and Kat. And then, yeah, exactly.
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Ben leaves him with a hot dog at the game is
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better than a roast beef at the Met or the Ritz.
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Yeah. Which is great. Think about it. Yeah. It's
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a good one. You get to live and have fun. Right.
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Hot dog or roast beef at the Ritz. What kind
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of life is that? Stuck under the thumb of silver,
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man. Yep. And that's where they just disappear.
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Ben goes up, talks to Kat back at her place.
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They talk about the doctor, and then they're
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like, oh, we got to run away. Let's go to France.
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We'll get out of here together. Oh, they're going
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to go to Santorini. Santorini, yeah. I can't
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remember what gives Kat the idea to go to the
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dock. It's Lonnie Tombstone. He goes and talks
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to her and is like... It's coming up. Yeah, yeah.
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It's later. Kat's packing. Lonnie shows up and
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takes her to Flint, who shows that he's a henchman
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for life. They almost kill Kat by toppling some
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platforms. Oh, that's right. Lonnie tells her
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about the doctor then. And that's about how the
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doctor is trying to find a cure. And the spider
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could be the key to the cure because he's the
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only one who hasn't degraded or anything. Yeah.
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So then Kat disappears and goes and tells the
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doctor. A lot of rain in these two episodes.
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Yes. Rain is best. Rain is great. Yeah. It really
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comes out really well. In the black and white.
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In the black and white. It's fucking awesome.
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I mean, best, best shot of the rain. is the opening
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for episode eight. But I agree. But here in episode
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five, this is pretty good rain, too. It's good
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rain. Episode six has good rain, too. We'll get
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into that in a second. So that's the that's the
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whole of the episode. Like nothing else happens.
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She meets the doctor there at the office as the
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doctor is cleaning up and getting ready to flee
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and tells her that she knows that Ben Reilly
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is the spider. Yeah. What did you guys think
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of the doctor in her performance in general in
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this episode? I mean, we can talk about it in
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both. In this episode, it's, you know, menacing,
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but fairly sedate. We don't get any like really
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good, like mad scientist vibes till the next
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episode. Next episode definitely amps it up.
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I do like the way it sets it all up for that,
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where it's like she does feel a little unhinged
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and she does feel like there's some sort of weird
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complication with Ogden, you know, so. yeah she's
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very much a goal -oriented business lady yeah
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and i mean you do get the vibe that she is doing
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like she does want to help these people yeah
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she wants to help them because she's trying to
24:06
help yeah we i mean we learned that we learned
24:08
why in the next episode but i do think like even
24:12
when uh robbie's interviewing her i don't get
24:15
the feeling that she's trying to weaponize the
24:18
superhumans at all she seems like she's trying
24:22
to help yeah yeah she she does have good motivations
24:27
but her execution is a little bit lacking yeah
24:30
so yeah so then it rolls into episode six um
24:34
and we've got another good rain shot rain pouring
24:38
down on this random guy in an alley um which
24:42
turns out to be ogden the assistant hoggy going
24:46
to uh Talk to Ben Reilly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
24:51
Ben's just packing up to leave. Gets a little
24:54
knock on the door. You know, while he's got his
24:56
spider mask in his hand, he's getting ready to
24:59
leave the whole life behind. Santorini. Live
25:02
on Santorini with Kat. Opens the door. It's Ogden.
25:06
Whoa. He tells his story about being experimented
25:10
on and how it's just making him old, which is
25:12
a shitty superpower. And I don't think he says
25:15
that, but we all know it. We also get the line
25:18
of him having recognized Ben. Yeah, yeah. He
25:23
changed his name. War history. Yeah, I like that.
25:27
I like that they do mention the name change.
25:29
So I think we can kind of check that off as like
25:32
he is probably Peter Parker changed his name
25:34
to avoid all the, you know, people following
25:38
up on him because he got weird spider powers.
25:41
Yeah, definitely trying to distance himself from
25:43
that, which is also stupid because to change
25:46
your name, you. legally change it with the government
25:48
it's not like it's a big leap to be I don't know.
25:51
In the 20s, you could just start calling yourself.
25:53
You could just call yourself something else.
25:54
It wouldn't take too much to get like a piece
25:56
of paper reprinted. That's fair. Forgery wasn't
25:59
as complicated as it is now. All right. All right.
26:02
I'll give it to you. No holographic blacklight
26:05
imagery. So now he's been Riley. No microchips.
26:09
Come on, Peter. It's the 20s. No 5G in my blood.
26:13
Hot dog at the game is better than roast beef
26:15
at the Ritz, you fool. Come on. Hmm. Yeah. oh
26:21
one of the things that i i just was thinking
26:23
about visuals in this because this episode is
26:25
very like stark strong visuals i mean it's like
26:27
a horror show but all the wavy glass oh yeah
26:32
in all these old buildings i'm so glad they did
26:34
that because it's like it feels so true you know
26:36
you're looking at the the you know editor -in
26:39
-chief at the bugle and he's all like warped
26:41
and funny looking because that glass and it's
26:43
just it's interesting how like glass technology
26:46
changed and they bothered to do that yeah I mean,
26:50
it looks way better. It does. It adds so much
26:53
environmental character to the way everything
26:57
is shot. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, so what? Ogden
27:02
tries to convince him to help. He doesn't want
27:04
to help. And then he's like, I'll just drug you
27:06
instead. So he slips him with a needle and drags
27:10
his body out, which is where we get cool boots
27:12
running downstairs. Boots going down the stairs.
27:14
Boots in a puddle. Boots in a puddle. This is
27:16
also where we get the first time that, like,
27:19
Ben claims that the only reason he was ever the
27:21
spider was for, you know, the thrill of it, not
27:23
because he's a. Yeah. Yeah. He tries playing
27:27
it off. Right. So also, I just have to say, as
27:31
he's packing all this shit, he has a drawer that's
27:34
just full of pillowcases. It's so many pillowcases.
27:36
Did you notice that? It's like, what the fuck?
27:38
You have a single bed. Yeah. One pillow. Maybe
27:42
they were all Ruby's favorite pillowcases. Maybe,
27:44
yeah. Gotta keep your Ruby photo somewhere. That's
27:47
right. Under all the pillowcases that remind
27:48
you of her. Yep, so you tuck it back in when
27:51
you go to leave with Kat. Leave that Ruby photo.
27:54
Weird, you ding -a -ling. Yeah, I like how he
27:57
keeps the photo of his dead fiancée at the bottom
28:01
of a cupboard with his money. Yeah, just hidden.
28:05
so yeah then you get into the horror show shit
28:06
of it so they have a secret lab yeah he's dragged
28:09
down to the lab he's all restrained they like
28:11
bandage up his hands so he can't web stuff and
28:14
then they uh cuff him down to the bed and you
28:18
know pretty good pretty good uh effort put into
28:22
it and faber explains everything yeah yeah classic
28:26
villain style i love how many times in my notes
28:28
i got to just type out so and so explains everything
28:32
it's like oh perfect you know it's funny let's
28:35
not skimp on the narrative there would be certain
28:37
shows that that would really piss me off but
28:39
for some reason in this one i'm like yeah it
28:41
just works i don't know like now i'm gonna explain
28:44
my whole thing it's part of the trope of like
28:47
early filmmaking as well which i think helps
28:49
sure and unlike other things i've seen recently
28:53
it's not just It still feels naturalistic, like
28:57
people talking to each other rather than just
28:58
people monologuing at each other, which is all
29:01
the Mandalorian Grogu was, was just like characters
29:05
talking about themselves in the general direction
29:09
of other characters. Mm hmm. so yeah then i mean
29:12
we get a lot of like weird experimentation on
29:15
him we get more flashbacks yeah we get that first
29:17
flashback of him like exploring his hand wound
29:21
and pulling the web goop out of it like yeah
29:24
gets all this is where he like does the most
29:27
of those like little body ticks yeah pulls his
29:30
webbing out that's great talking to the general
29:32
or whoever it is yeah the whole time he's just
29:34
like trying to keep it under control and yeah
29:38
i thought that costume for the general or whatever
29:42
was super weird until josie pulled up like a
29:45
photo because she also thought it was super weird
29:47
is that what they looked like yeah they just
29:49
kind of had that sort of like weird outfit with
29:52
those like tall hats and everything and like
29:56
the big uh neck thing you know early hugo boss
30:01
kind of stuff right before the nazis made that
30:03
not cool right Yeah, so we get all that kind
30:07
of an explanation that, you know, they were going
30:10
to do a bunch of shit to his body to find out
30:13
what was going on. But they didn't do a good
30:15
enough job. Ben says like they pulled him apart
30:17
and like took all his shit out and put it back
30:20
and just really fucked with him. Yep. So then
30:24
she takes his blood. Yep. Yeah, she takes his
30:27
blood. It's super normal blood. That's frustrating.
30:29
Which means let's look at some more shit. Yeah.
30:33
What do you think it is? His pancreas? Well,
30:36
I mean, they explain it's liver. She says his
30:38
liver. It's right there on the Petri dish. Oh,
30:43
that's right. Liver enzyme. I'm more appropriate
30:46
to call it a Riley dish at this point. That's
30:48
right. Not a Pete. Pete. We changed the name.
30:53
So you both have a bad joke. Yeah, but mine's
30:57
intentionally awful. Oh, mine wasn't good. I
31:02
didn't think it was good. Just unintentionally
31:04
not as good as you hoped. Oh, still better than
31:10
mine. I loved when he's getting knocked out and
31:14
they're like, he's trying to say something. He
31:16
just goes, I love ravioli. That's so good. Oh,
31:24
we're going to get you so much ravioli. I don't
31:27
know how many lines Nick Cage just like got to
31:29
make up. I don't know, but I hope, I hope there
31:32
was a good number. Yeah. I hope they let him
31:34
do. Ravioli seems definitely like something he
31:37
would do. It feels like it. Yeah. um so yeah
31:41
he gets drugged and he has like crazy dreams
31:44
with like spider legs crawling out of his face
31:48
we get like the horror of this this is coming
31:51
from his wounds the mask turning into a spider
31:54
like yeah we get some real good like cronenberg
31:57
-esque uh body horror in this uh like if the
32:02
ether mask like the legs grow out of it like
32:04
turn into a tarantula on his face she cuts him
32:07
open like spiders just pour out of the wounds
32:10
i know i don't even dislike spiders and i was
32:12
pretty like yucked out it's pretty gross oh no
32:14
the body horror in this episode was so good absolutely
32:17
we get a return of man spider in the dream yeah
32:20
welcome back man spider i love man spider uh
32:24
the only part of this whole sequence that i really
32:27
didn't care for was like just when he was tiny
32:30
like running away from the car and stuff it just
32:33
it didn't look great but the rest of it was so
32:35
good i liked tiny because it put like everything
32:38
that's been happening to him up like uh almost
32:42
like he was seeing it on movie screens and so
32:45
he was reliving everything that's been going
32:47
on with him through that yeah uh kind of i just
32:50
didn't think visually like the car just the cg
32:54
world it's maybe a little bit weak but i like
32:56
the concept of it yeah But we also got to see
33:00
him interacting with Ruby and she calls him a
33:04
ding -a -ling, which I really liked. And then
33:06
he's wearing a nerd outfit. Looks like such a
33:08
dork. Yeah, she also talks like a caricature,
33:13
but it's his memory, so that makes sense. So
33:17
then it all kind of boils down to Eczema Boy
33:20
and the Bumps and Megawatt. coming to collect
33:25
more supers right talk to the doctor find out
33:27
there's other so ben wakes up he's you know clearly
33:29
been operated on he uh manages to get his wrist
33:34
free nobody's around so he like after a few attempts
33:38
is able to sling up those keys and get himself
33:41
uh unrestrained and starts like uh trying to
33:46
get himself out while uh downstairs like favor
33:49
finds a cure cures ogden so he looks like he's
33:53
dirty then like tells him you know hey we got
33:57
to get out of here but uh we're gonna have to
34:00
torch the place and get rid of him because he's
34:03
a loose end so ogden's like i'll do it i'll i'll
34:07
go up there and look him in the eye soldier to
34:09
soldier And at the same time, like all of Silvermane's
34:12
crew and entourage is showing up. So we get,
34:15
you know, little jumps back and forth between
34:17
the three sections of the scene with them coming
34:21
in. I love this. I love the sequence where Ogden
34:26
and Peter Ogden and Ben are like escaping in
34:30
the elevator. And then we get. silvermane coming
34:33
to the elevator the doors open and silvermane
34:36
and the crew walk in and you're like okay these
34:38
things are happening at different times like
34:40
this isn't like we're cutting back and forth
34:42
between times and then they leave the elevator
34:44
or no then they have robbie's paper which is
34:47
how they found the place because robbie printed
34:49
and a little bit of goo like hits the paper i
34:54
mean is blood not goo what is blood not goo Not
35:00
all goo is blood, but all blood is goo. I think
35:03
all blood is goo. Blood is good. I like blood
35:09
is good. Ben, Ben bitered his way up on the ceiling
35:14
with Ogden. Like, I thought that was a nice little
35:17
like sequence. uh yeah i did too um i like when
35:23
the the gang shows up and lonnie walks up to
35:26
the door and he's just like these doors just
35:28
keep getting bigger and it still just is like
35:30
just still rips it right off the hinges uh yeah
35:35
and then silverman goes down confronts the uh
35:37
the doctor about all this yeah she's like uh
35:41
or he's like i want to see all the other like
35:45
soldiers you've helped and she's like well they're
35:47
all right back here and then it's all just like
35:49
busted up bodies and like back to tanks and stuff
35:53
yeah guy with shrimp feet in his mouth uh which
35:57
could happen to you a bunch of gross fuckers
35:59
yeah yeah and then uh megawatt's like oh you're
36:02
not helping them you're just killing making monsters
36:04
and killing them so he shocks the doctor and
36:09
that's when ogden shows back up and he's like
36:11
you can't shock my mommy and he shoots a megawatt
36:15
and then megawatt's like you you can't shoot
36:19
me you can't shoot me so he like goes to like
36:21
take them all down and like the gun gets knocked
36:24
out of his hand and a fire starts and everybody
36:27
is on the ground and then silvermane's like let's
36:29
get out of here this place sucks and so they
36:31
leave But before that, Ben has stolen the antidote.
36:35
Yeah, Ben went back, got his clothes and stuff,
36:38
stole the antidote, stole the liver Petri dish,
36:41
which doesn't matter anymore because took his
36:43
name off of it, which then it gets blown up anyway.
36:45
Who cares? Yeah, but it was good of him to like
36:47
cover his tracks. Yeah. And then we see Ben outside
36:51
and the place explodes and Silverman's crew escapes
36:55
and probably get pretty drunk. I don't know.
36:57
Yeah. Episode six in the can. Everyone lives
36:59
happily ever after. Yep. i think it was good
37:02
i think it's uh like the horror stuff played
37:04
really well for me i liked that i think it's
37:06
interesting because it's very different than
37:07
the first four episodes i think there's a lot
37:09
of like the interpersonal play between all these
37:12
different characters it kind of develops more
37:14
i think it was solid two episodes yeah and i
37:17
liked the uh diversity in like locations and
37:21
stuff getting that uh the secret warehouse laboratory
37:25
thing gave a lot of like opportunities for different
37:28
like depths and like field of vision kind of
37:31
things plus you know old laboratories with cool
37:34
back to tanks and stuff uh awesome tanks full
37:37
of monsters good i really appreciated with these
37:40
two episodes that when we got the backstory it
37:44
was we didn't get a full episode outside of the
37:46
sequence of like him in the war we just got like
37:49
maybe a combined seven minutes of backstory throughout
37:52
these two episodes which is the appropriate amount
37:54
yeah no given that we only had eight episodes
37:56
i was really worried we'd get a whole just kind
37:58
of throw away like flashback episode i think
38:01
up to this point every episode has mattered well
38:05
yeah like it all kind of carries this story it's
38:09
been a tight show yeah i think it's a it's well
38:11
done for sure and then yeah next we got the big
38:14
finale two episodes so see what happens we'll
38:17
see you next time next time folks uh thank you
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38:35
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38:39
by a man spider or do Or maybe do. I don't know.
38:43
It seems like it worked. Radioactive man spider.
38:45
Safest way to get powers. Yeah. Do it. Slop them
38:50
up. Slop them up, boys. Bye. Bye.