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Mental health - we unpack it all ❤️‍🩹ft @mindfoodsteph · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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Speaker 1: Apodjay Production. Just a disclaimer. On today's episode, it's not
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Speaker 1: a substitute for psychological or medical advice. The podcast discussed
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Speaker 1: topics around mental health which may be triggering, so always
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Speaker 1: seek support.
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Speaker 2: We begin today by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the
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Speaker 2: land on which we gather today and pay our respects
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Speaker 2: to their elders past and present. We extend that respect
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Speaker 2: to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people's here today.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Grow and Glow Podcast. I'm Ashy, I'm Kiara.
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Speaker 3: This is a podcast where we learn, laugh, and level
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Speaker 3: up together. Let's go deep, let the emotions flow, combine
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Speaker 3: the lessons to grow and glow. Nothing is off the
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Speaker 3: table with Grow and Glow, and we're here to be
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Speaker 3: your expander.
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Speaker 4: Hello everybody, Welcome back to Grow and Glow.
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Speaker 3: Very exciting day.
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Speaker 4: We have a guess, Yes, a guess that I've stalked
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Speaker 4: out on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Places so cool, love TikTok.
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Speaker 4: It's so good, isn't it. Well, welcome step to the podcast.
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Speaker 4: We're so excited that you're here today.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited
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Speaker 1: to be here. And yeah, very grateful, so I appreciate.
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Speaker 4: It before we get into the episode. Every single week
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Speaker 4: you do a share of the weeks, and we'd love
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Speaker 4: to ask you something that you're loving lately that's super interesting.
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Speaker 1: Mine's a quote that I came across last week and
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Speaker 1: I just I'm obsessed with it, and the quote is
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Speaker 1: the magic you're looking for is in the work you're
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Speaker 1: avoiding doing love love.
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Speaker 4: That That is so true, isn't that true? Really is?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Oh that's epic. So you're a psychologist and you work
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Speaker 4: in areas with mental health, eating disorders, body dysmorphia. Could
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Speaker 4: you tell us a little bit about your background and
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Speaker 4: what led you to do this kind of work you
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Speaker 4: do today.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So, I've been a registered psychologist for eight years
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Speaker 1: and then I just went back and did my clinical masters,
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Speaker 1: So I'm a clinical psychologist now and I've been in
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Speaker 1: the industry for a long time. I'm also a Bard
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Speaker 1: Approof supervisor, so I supervised psychology students. A published author,
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Speaker 1: so I've published a book, food Jail, Breaking the Bars
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Speaker 1: of binge Eating.
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, amazing.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's been a wild journey. And also have
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Speaker 1: a podcast whereas talk about mental health topics, but I
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Speaker 1: love creating content on social media. That's my favorite thing
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Speaker 1: to do with all my four degrees. Wow.
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Speaker 4: What is the difference between a psychologist and a clinical psychologist?
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Speaker 1: Good question. Basically more learning. It just takes a couple
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Speaker 1: more years to do clinical, but clinical psychology is more
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Speaker 1: heavily focused on assessment, diagnosis, treatment planning. You know a
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Speaker 1: little bit more about medication, and also the rebates are
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Speaker 1: a little bit different if you are going through medicare.
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Speaker 4: I feel that through your tiktoks that it feels like
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Speaker 4: you are a psychologist, but it feels like you're a
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Speaker 4: coach as well. I like how you kind of blend
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Speaker 4: it and just make it really easy to digest all
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Speaker 4: the information because a lot of the top are quite
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Speaker 4: triggering and hard to talk about, but you make it
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Speaker 4: easy to talk about. Yeah, I guess that's why you
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Speaker 4: love doing the social media side of things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. We love to break it down, Yes.
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Speaker 4: Break it down, even for a TikTok where you opened
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Speaker 4: up a book and you're like, whatever I land on,
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Speaker 4: I'm going to see if I can like explain explain it.
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Speaker 4: It was so interesting, learn.
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Speaker 1: The disorder, Learn the disorder.
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Speaker 4: Yes, speaking of there's a lot that a lot of
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Speaker 4: people are really suffering with in today's society. You know,
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Speaker 4: that's anxiety, depression, OCD, ADHD. Are you able to break
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Speaker 4: them down and simplify them, because I think people kind
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Speaker 4: of say them just so willing nearly, like oh, I've
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Speaker 4: got anxiety or I'm OCD. Yeah it's my OCD, And
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Speaker 4: it's like, I think people actually need to have a
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Speaker 4: deeper understanding to what each of these are. So let's
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Speaker 4: start with depression.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So basically, there's a book called the DSM
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Speaker 1: five Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders, and
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Speaker 1: in that book there's different categories. So we've got our
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Speaker 1: mood disorders where depression would be and depression. Essentially, there
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Speaker 1: are different types, but the sort of most common one
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Speaker 1: we see is major depressive disorder, which is a low
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Speaker 1: mood on more days than not for most of the days,
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Speaker 1: loss of energy. Depressed mood changes to your appetite, feeling hopeless,
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Speaker 1: and that needs to happen for a minimum of two weeks.
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Speaker 1: But what makes something for disorder is that it is
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Speaker 1: affecting your day to date functioning. So people might say
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Speaker 1: I feel depressed or I feel anxious. But if it's
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Speaker 1: affecting your day to date life, going to work, going
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Speaker 1: to school, interacting with friends and family, then that's when
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Speaker 1: it's really classified a disorder.
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Speaker 4: It's hard with that word disorder because I feel like
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Speaker 4: it can become someone's identity. Yes, And I remember when
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Speaker 4: I was in my early twenties, it was affecting my
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Speaker 4: everyday life, like pulling my hair out, having panic attacks,
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Speaker 4: shaking on the floor, like could not control my breath,
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Speaker 4: didn't want to go to work, like it was affecting everything.
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Speaker 4: So I went to the doctor and they were like,
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Speaker 4: you have anxiety disorder, and you are that become my
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Speaker 4: identity for so long that I felt so incapable of
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Speaker 4: doing anything because I was depressed and anxious. Do you
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Speaker 4: think there's a certain way as a psychologist with how
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Speaker 4: you diagnose people and that language that you use so
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Speaker 4: that doesn't happen to people.
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Speaker 1: It's such a great point to bring up because you're
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Speaker 1: right sometimes people can identify with it in a good way,
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Speaker 1: but also in a bad ways in people love to
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Speaker 1: fit a template, right, and this is why we need
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Speaker 1: to be mindful of not self diagnosing on social media
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Speaker 1: or TikTok. So. I think the word disorder it just
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Speaker 1: helps us tack a certain criteria to meet a condition,
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Speaker 1: and the disorder helps inform treatment. So a lot of
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Speaker 1: people might say, oh, I don't like labels or I
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Speaker 1: don't want a name for what I'm going through, but
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Speaker 1: if you go to a doctor, you want to know
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Speaker 1: what's going on because that information, that label or that
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Speaker 1: disorder helps to inform the treatment. I agree the word
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Speaker 1: disorder isn't very helpful, especially for conditions such as ADHD,
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Speaker 1: which we'll go into, which is brain and more neuro based.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I can definitely see why people might feel
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Speaker 1: that identifica.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think something that's helpful. When I came off
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Speaker 4: my medication and then started seeing a coach as I
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Speaker 4: kind of weaned off it, I remember them saying to me, like,
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Speaker 4: you are more than your anxiety and depression. That's not
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Speaker 4: just who you are. You're also very capable, You're also smart,
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Speaker 4: You're also fun. There's so many hats that Ashly wears
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Speaker 4: and so many parts of you that that's not all
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Speaker 4: you are. But hearing that from my doctor, that was
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Speaker 4: just all I became. So I just think it'd be
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Speaker 4: cool if there was that added on to their diagnosis.
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Speaker 1: I agree and saying I am someone who is experiencing
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Speaker 1: and that language someone who is experiencing a depressive epersode
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Speaker 1: rather than I am depressed. I am this because then
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Speaker 1: you become the disorder and that can be hard to
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Speaker 1: shift for people.
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Speaker 3: I can definitely relate to times in my life where
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Speaker 3: I've felt like like I couldn't escape it, like it
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Speaker 3: was a part of me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I love what you said then, because then
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Speaker 4: it allows you to take radical responsibility. I don't want
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Speaker 4: to blame the doctors, but you're just saying that, like,
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Speaker 4: use that language on yourself, Like I am feeling depressed
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Speaker 4: right now. I'm going through really depressive season right now.
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Speaker 4: It helps to know that, Yeah, you can separate that
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Speaker 4: that's not just all you are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it creates space to change. Yeah, aware of it.
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Speaker 4: So depression is a low state and mood for a
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Speaker 4: long period of time that it affects your day to
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Speaker 4: day living basically correct at least two weeks, at least
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Speaker 4: two weeks.
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Speaker 1: You have that for at least two years, then it's
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Speaker 1: persistent depressive disorder, also known as dysthymia.
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Speaker 4: Oh I've never heard that.
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Speaker 1: Dysthym that just means a low mood, a chronic low mood.
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Speaker 1: We've got em which is being elevated end is damn.
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Speaker 4: I've never heard of that.
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Speaker 1: It's more of like a long term, long standing depression.
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Speaker 4: Okay, And most people that experienced depression for a long
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Speaker 4: period of time, would you say that they are receiving
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Speaker 4: help and support emotionally or they just medicate it and
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Speaker 4: like that's just what they advise to do.
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Speaker 1: Every case is different, but what we do know is,
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Speaker 1: you know, one in four women will experience a depressive
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Speaker 1: episode in their lifetime, and if left unmanaged, there is
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Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance that it will come back.
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Speaker 4: Makes sense.
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Speaker 1: That's why it's so important to seek help even if
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Speaker 1: you're not sure, you know, go to the doctor or
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Speaker 1: speak to someone someone you trust to get that support
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Speaker 1: so it doesn't come back.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, let's unpack anxiety disorder, because that is one
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Speaker 4: that I just think majority of females. I know, I
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Speaker 4: don't think men speak about it as much, but I
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Speaker 4: do feel like more females stuffer with Is that true females.
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Speaker 1: Females are more likely to seek help. So when we
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Speaker 1: look at the statistics. We know, you know, one in
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Speaker 1: six people will have a mental health condition. Anxiety is
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Speaker 1: one of the more common ones. But I think there's
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Speaker 1: still a bit of stigma around men getting that support
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Speaker 1: or men recognizing it, because men can in turn symptoms
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Speaker 1: more whereas women we talk and we express it, and
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Speaker 1: we're more in tune with our feelings, so I think
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Speaker 1: it can be a bit trickier to identify in men.
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Speaker 1: But anxiety, there's six different types of anxiety. We've got
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Speaker 1: generalized anxiety disorder, which is the most common. So this
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Speaker 1: is having persistent, consistent worry for at least six months
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Speaker 1: in adults, So you worry about a number of things,
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Speaker 1: feel like you're losing control. You might get the physiological
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Speaker 1: symptoms racing heart, sweaty, sweaty, shaky, etc. You find it
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Speaker 1: hard to control the worry, and the worry occurs on
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Speaker 1: more days than it doesn't, and that impacts your day
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Speaker 1: to day functioning again, work relationships, being present for your family.
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Speaker 4: That's the first one, Okay, can we do the other thing?
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Speaker 1: So that we have got social anxiety disorder, which people
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Speaker 1: think is just being anxious in social situations, but it's
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Speaker 1: more than that. It's two main things. It's the fear
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Speaker 1: of being negatively evaluated or judged in social settings, or
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Speaker 1: the fear of embarrassing yourself. And again that comes with
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Speaker 1: the physiological symptoms, needs to be present for at least
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Speaker 1: six months, and it's also associated with a lot of avoidance.
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Speaker 1: So any anxiety disorder will come with avoidance, avoiding social situations,
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Speaker 1: avoiding opportunities, saying exactly.
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Speaker 4: Which is actually intimacy?
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Speaker 1: Is it intimacy things that are scary job opportunities?
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Speaker 4: What's the third one?
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Speaker 1: What's the third one? We've got phobias, so fear of spiers,
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Speaker 1: fear of flying, go yes. And then there's separation anxiety disorder. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we see more in children, so the fear of separating
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Speaker 1: from a parental figure. They might be the main ones.
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Speaker 1: Illness anxiety disorder used to be called hyperchondriasis known as
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Speaker 1: health anxiety. Now, so this is a preoccupation that some
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Speaker 1: thing is wrong with you. So you might get a
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Speaker 1: sore throat and you think immediately I've got throat cancer.
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Speaker 1: You start googling, you start checking all the symptoms, and
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Speaker 1: because you're fixated on these symptoms, they can start to
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Speaker 1: feel a bit more intense and yeah, more aware. So
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Speaker 1: that's a big one, especially after COVID healths are.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I didn't realize how big it was. But even
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Speaker 4: me talking about my brain aneurysm so openly and calmly,
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Speaker 4: I can't count the amount of DMS that I've got, Like,
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Speaker 4: how do you not have anxiety? You didn't know you
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Speaker 4: had this a newism, You've been living with it for years.
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Speaker 4: And I could feel their panic through the DMS. I'm like, Wow,
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Speaker 4: this is a real thing. Like you said, they get
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Speaker 4: one little thing wrong and they automatically think. Like one
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Speaker 4: girl and she's like, oh my god, i've lost my
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Speaker 4: sight before and have blank vision. Does that mean I
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Speaker 4: have a brain in newism? Too scared to go get checked,
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Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, let's just take a breath.
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Speaker 4: You might just have a migraine. It's okay, let's not
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Speaker 4: jump to there. But it's a real thing for a
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Speaker 4: lot of people.
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Speaker 3: I had a really hard pregnancy with my first daughter,
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Speaker 3: and then in my second pregnancy with Lincoln, I was
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Speaker 3: so stressed. I was so worried, constantly worried that I
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Speaker 3: was doing the wrong thing, that like he wasn't okay.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely can relate to those feelings of
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Speaker 3: and even waiting in the like my blood pressure was
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Speaker 3: always super high and they're like, it's because you're just
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Speaker 3: here like to get checked, And I was just so
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Speaker 3: anxious to make sure he was safe and he was okay.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so interesting.
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Speaker 1: They're the main ones.
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Speaker 4: The separation anxiety with children. I'd love to unpack that
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Speaker 4: a little bit more because a lot of our audience
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Speaker 4: are mums and both my kids don't like going to
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Speaker 4: strangers and they like love to be close to us.
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Speaker 4: But where do you think that stems from? Like how
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Speaker 4: do some children feel safe to go to strangers and
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Speaker 4: others don't? What happens in the family dynamic to have
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Speaker 4: such different Because I have some friends that the kids
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Speaker 4: will go to anyone and everyone, And I'm like, if
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Speaker 4: I tried to hand my daughter to you, she'd be like,
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Speaker 4: no fucking way.
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Speaker 1: It's a case by case approach. But then there's also
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Speaker 1: a disorder where children go to strangers too much and
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Speaker 1: they have no sort of inhibition and not aware of
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Speaker 1: it at all. I think it's called a reactive attachment disorder.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the hell Stix psychologist breaks these down. Yeah, made
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Speaker 4: me feel better about my kids not wanting to go
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Speaker 4: to strangers. She said, it means they've got a healthy
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Speaker 4: attachment with their primar.
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Speaker 1: Caref Yeah, they're aware and at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: just remember, you know, if it's happening more often than not,
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Speaker 1: and it's causing distress and it's causing problems, and okay,
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Speaker 1: be aware of it. But no, I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: anything wrong with that at all. Like, it's good that
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Speaker 1: children are aware, and I think it's important that they
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable and safe with you.
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Speaker 4: I'm also glad that they're like that because I feel
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Speaker 4: like they would be approached by strangers, they'd be running
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Speaker 4: for the head. Yeah, they would be like, yeah, I'll
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Speaker 4: take your candy. Is there a specific.
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Speaker 3: Age where with the separation anxiety it really starts to
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Speaker 3: kind of tend to happen, Like is it around school
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Speaker 3: age or is it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good question. We definitely see school age. I think
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Speaker 1: that's the most common because that's when they really start
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Speaker 1: to separate, go to school and separation anxiety. It is normal.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you're dropping your kids off and they cry,
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Speaker 1: that's fine. It's more the child cannot be a lot
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Speaker 1: for you know, small periods of time. I'm very distressed,
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Speaker 1: they're crying out, and there's more to that. It's more
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Speaker 1: there's a fear that something bad is going to happen
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Speaker 1: to the parents. So the children might say, Mummy, I'm scared,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're going to die, or they have nightmares
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Speaker 1: or something bad happening to the parent. So it's his
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Speaker 1: fear that something bad is going to happen to the parent.
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Speaker 4: Oh that's so heartbreaking, broken down like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it might come from experience, if the parents
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Speaker 1: spent prolong time in hospital and more true around and yeah,
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Speaker 1: it just really is a case by case.
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Speaker 4: I've heard energetically age seven this might be a bit wooo,
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Speaker 4: but age seven is when they energetically unplugged their umbilical
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Speaker 4: cord from you, and that's when they like separate a
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Speaker 4: bit more and they feel more comfortable to be on
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Speaker 4: their own. They're their own person, they have their own voice.
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Speaker 4: And I definitely saw a massive shift in Taj. I
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Speaker 4: think he was a little bit anxious attached at the start,
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Speaker 4: but I feel like now he's just so independent and
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Speaker 4: strong and his own person. I've felt that like unpluck
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Speaker 4: heard that before. Yeah, I believe it too interesting. Can
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Speaker 4: we go over body dysmorphia? I think this is this
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Speaker 4: something that's relatively new.
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Speaker 1: Good question. I think it's become more common and more
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Speaker 1: people are aware of it. Okay, So body dysmorphic disorder,
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Speaker 1: it's actually from the sort of obsessive, impulsive type of disorder.
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Speaker 1: It's not an eating disorder, but it does have links
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Speaker 1: to eating disorders. So body dysmorphic disorder is the preoccupation
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Speaker 1: with a real or perceived flaw in your appearance or
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Speaker 1: a minor defect. So, for example, you might have a
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Speaker 1: bump in your nose and you're so self conscious of
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Speaker 1: that that you spend hours a day mirror checking hiding
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Speaker 1: your nose, or you spend no time looking in the mirror.
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Speaker 1: So you've either got frequent checkers frequent avoids. And these
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Speaker 1: are the people you see on those TV shows like
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Speaker 1: that get all these plastic surgeries, and it's very extreme,
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Speaker 1: and it usually isn't figured out until this person has
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Speaker 1: had all these nose jobs and then adoptor's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I think there's something psychological here that's going on. So
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Speaker 1: it's more than just your body thin, overweight, whatever it
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Speaker 1: might be. It's an actual part. It could be skin,
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Speaker 1: it could be hair, it could be your ears, it
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Speaker 1: could be your calves, it could be any part of
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Speaker 1: your body. But it causes significant distress.
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Speaker 4: Right because I think that is one that gets thrown
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Speaker 4: around quite casually, like I've got body dysmorphia, Like I
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Speaker 4: think I look skinny, it think it looks fat, and
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Speaker 4: it's just almost joked about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah it does, and look. People can definitely have traits
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Speaker 1: of disorders. You can definitely have days where you feel
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Speaker 1: larger than you actually are and.
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Speaker 4: Wait before your period for.
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Speaker 1: Yet, I think you know, it's normally okay to have
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Speaker 1: traits of all these different things we're talking about today,
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Speaker 1: but it's the level of distress and impact on your life.
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Speaker 1: And body dysmorphic disorder actually has one of the highest
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Speaker 1: mortality rates because people do take their life because they've
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Speaker 1: had the nose job or they've had the operation. They
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Speaker 1: still feel the same. They don't know it's psychological.
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Speaker 4: Wow, that's how serious it is. I mean, like so
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Speaker 4: many of these are so normalized and joked about, but
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Speaker 4: it's not something to joke about.
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Speaker 1: Research has shown that people who spend at least thirty
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Speaker 1: minutes a day on social media, are more likely to
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Speaker 1: see their own body in a negative light wow, and
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Speaker 1: be more aware of their body. So I think the
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Speaker 1: rise of social media has definitely contributed and reinforced people's
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Speaker 1: dissatisfaction with their appearance, especially with filters, especially with you know,
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Speaker 1: all the things that people do to look effective and
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Speaker 1: look beautiful on social media. I think it's not reported
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Speaker 1: enough because people think it's not a psychological thing. I
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Speaker 1: just hate my nose, I just hate my forehead, so
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Speaker 1: they won't go seek help. So I think it's underreported,
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Speaker 1: but it's definitely more common than we think. It's just
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Speaker 1: normalized because everyone's like, oh, yeah, I hate this, Yeah,
18:05
Speaker 1: I hate this. You know in Mean Girls, the movie
18:09
Speaker 1: how they all like, what are you not like about yourself?
18:13
Speaker 1: And the girls like, I have really bad breath in
18:14
Speaker 1: the morning and she couldn't identify it. So it's so
18:17
Speaker 1: normal for us to pick on flaws in our appearance
18:19
Speaker 1: and we almost bond over that.
18:21
Speaker 4: Yes, I wouldn't think that would be ever something I
18:24
Speaker 4: would go to a psychologist about. Is like, oh I
18:27
Speaker 4: don't like my stomach. Yeah, So that's important for people
18:30
Speaker 4: to hear that if you are struggling with this, and
18:32
Speaker 4: like you said, all of these disorders and mental health issues,
18:35
Speaker 4: if it's affecting your day to day life and for
18:37
Speaker 4: a long period of time, you should be seeking help,
18:40
Speaker 4: right absolutely, yes, yeah, And let's move on to OCD ah.
18:44
Speaker 1: Yes. Obsessive compulsive disorder. So this comes from the obsessive
18:50
Speaker 1: and compulsive category of the DSM five and it's characterized
18:54
Speaker 1: by having intrusive thoughts or obsessive thoughts which cause anxiety,
19:00
Speaker 1: and then in an attempt to get rid of that anxiety,
19:02
Speaker 1: people engage in rituals or behaviors trying to neutralize or
19:07
Speaker 1: get rid of the anxiety. So, for example, you might
19:10
Speaker 1: touch a doorhandle and think, oh my gosh, I've got germs,
19:13
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get sick and need to do something otherwise
19:16
Speaker 1: I'm going to die, and so you wash your hands
19:19
Speaker 1: to get rid of the anxiety that the thought brings.
19:23
Speaker 1: But again, this causes so much distress. People can spend
19:27
Speaker 1: up to six hours a day thinking about this or more.
19:32
Speaker 1: I've had people washing their hands sixty nine times a day,
19:35
Speaker 1: you know. And there's different categories. So you've got germophobia,
19:39
Speaker 1: which is the percupation of gems and contamination. You can
19:43
Speaker 1: have hoarding disorder, you can have you know, religious OCD.
19:47
Speaker 1: You can have intrusive thoughts.
19:49
Speaker 4: Around religious OCD. What's that?
19:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, just having sort of strange preoccupations and thoughts around
19:57
Speaker 1: doing certain things, having specific rituals, and if you don't
20:01
Speaker 1: do that, something bad's going to happen.
20:03
Speaker 4: I spoke about an episode when Steve goes away and
20:06
Speaker 4: how nervous I get. I suppose I have traits of
20:08
Speaker 4: OCD because I go around and lock the doors a
20:10
Speaker 4: million times, and when I lay there, I go and
20:12
Speaker 4: check them again, feeling paranoid that I haven't locked the doors. Yes,
20:16
Speaker 4: And then my whole night I just don't sleep when
20:18
Speaker 4: he's not there because I'm constantly worried if something's going
20:21
Speaker 4: to happen, and I think of these crazy scenarios and
20:24
Speaker 4: things that can happen, and I'll go lock the doors again,
20:26
Speaker 4: I'll check on the kids again, and it's just so consuming.
20:29
Speaker 4: But it only happens when my husband goes away.
20:31
Speaker 1: And I think a really important thing to ask yourself,
20:34
Speaker 1: And this is what I tell all the people I
20:36
Speaker 1: work with, is given the circumstance, is it reasonable? And
20:40
Speaker 1: I think, given the circumstance that your husband's away, it's
20:43
Speaker 1: reasonable to want to check the doors. Yeah, but say
20:46
Speaker 1: you're checking the doors three times a day when there's
20:49
Speaker 1: been no reason to and it's causing distress, then okay,
20:52
Speaker 1: maybe it's not reasonable given the circumstances. Similar with your
20:56
Speaker 1: pregnancy story earlier. Given the circumstances, I think it's really
21:00
Speaker 1: reasonable to have a bit of help.
21:02
Speaker 4: That's very validating, I think for people to hear. And
21:05
Speaker 4: there's also like, I mean, simple solution for me is
21:07
Speaker 4: when he goes away, I have girlfriends stay open now
21:10
Speaker 4: and like when they're there, I don't even think about it.
21:11
Speaker 4: I might like have a moment to get scared and
21:14
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I'm okay, someone else is here. I've
21:15
Speaker 4: got a new neighbor and I feel safe of just
21:18
Speaker 4: having his number. So I've put things in place that
21:20
Speaker 4: helps like ease it a little bit now, which is.
21:22
Speaker 1: Cool, perfect and just being aware of it. And yeah,
21:25
Speaker 1: I think what you said earlier, I think we can
21:27
Speaker 1: throw around the term oh it's my OCD or. But
21:30
Speaker 1: what PHO don't realize is just how debilitating it is.
21:35
Speaker 1: You know, people are not leaving their houses. People are
21:39
Speaker 1: carrying around certain sanitizers or things to just be able
21:43
Speaker 1: to take their kids to the park.
21:45
Speaker 4: Consuming, right, just consuming.
21:47
Speaker 1: Especially for loved ones and partners if left unmanaged, Yeah,
21:52
Speaker 1: that can turn into a goraphobia and not wanting to
21:54
Speaker 1: leave your home.
21:55
Speaker 3: So even the effects on your body itself through so
21:59
Speaker 3: much stress.
22:00
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah.
22:01
Speaker 4: When I spoke about that episode with the intrusive thoughts,
22:04
Speaker 4: I had one mom so that she totally relates, but
22:06
Speaker 4: on a whole new level of like she won't take
22:08
Speaker 4: her kids to the park, she won't go grocery shopping.
22:10
Speaker 4: She does like the auder online it's delivered because she's
22:13
Speaker 4: so scared of something happening to her children. Then imagine
22:16
Speaker 4: her kids growing up with that. They're now going to
22:18
Speaker 4: be too scared because they think the world's so scary,
22:20
Speaker 4: thing's going to happen, Like it's a role on effect.
22:22
Speaker 1: And they witness these and there's strong genetic vulnerability as
22:26
Speaker 1: well if a parent has OCD. But I think the
22:29
Speaker 1: main difference is people can have intrusive thoughts and like, oh,
22:32
Speaker 1: that was a bit uncomfortable. Ninety percent of people do
22:35
Speaker 1: have intrusive thoughts, but it's the fear that it's actually
22:39
Speaker 1: going to play out or you're going to act on it,
22:41
Speaker 1: like you might have an intrusive thought of with your
22:43
Speaker 1: mother in law or something. But people are worried they're
22:46
Speaker 1: going to actually act it out or they are going
22:48
Speaker 1: to do something to their baby or their child.
22:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's when once again you would seek help exactly.
22:54
Speaker 2: Yes.
22:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we've got ADHD.
22:57
Speaker 4: Yeah. I have a lot of like questions around this
23:00
Speaker 4: because this is just all over social media. I feel
23:02
Speaker 4: like everyone is self diagnosing. I don't know if it's
23:04
Speaker 4: been over die knows to children as well, But I
23:06
Speaker 4: would love to unpark this a lot deeper with you.
23:09
Speaker 4: What is it to start with?
23:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is a type of
23:15
Speaker 1: neuro developmental disorder, which means it happens in the brain
23:20
Speaker 1: and you're born with it. So all that means is
23:22
Speaker 1: we have this part of our brain here frontal lobe,
23:25
Speaker 1: which is responsible for executive functioning, our organizing, our planning,
23:29
Speaker 1: our processing, speed, ability to do tasks, get started on tasks,
23:34
Speaker 1: and people with ADHD struggle with this because the way
23:39
Speaker 1: the brain was you know, typically expected to develop developed
23:43
Speaker 1: a bit differently, and this is why it's called neurodivergent
23:46
Speaker 1: because the brain has developed in a different way, and
23:50
Speaker 1: people with ADHD struggle with these parts of life organizing, planning, cooking.
23:57
Speaker 1: It's called your executive functioning. So if you think of
24:00
Speaker 1: that part of your brain as the CEO, it's the
24:02
Speaker 1: executive to get stuff done. And people that actually have
24:07
Speaker 1: lower levels of access to dopamine and not epinephrin.
24:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that second one?
24:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, So not epinephrine is the neurotransmitter that helps you
24:17
Speaker 1: get started on tasks, that says, Okay, we need to go,
24:20
Speaker 1: we need to initiate. So that's why they procrastinate, and
24:24
Speaker 1: then the procrastination leads to anxiety and then that leads
24:27
Speaker 1: to a whole self worth spiral. Yeah yeah. Whereas dopamine
24:31
Speaker 1: is the feel good hormone, it's that pleasure seeking and
24:36
Speaker 1: because people that actually have lower levels, they're searching for
24:39
Speaker 1: it in other places, so food, you know, risky behavior,
24:43
Speaker 1: there's impulsivity there, substance use disorders, and that's sort of
24:48
Speaker 1: the main characteristics of it.
24:51
Speaker 3: Hey again, you get that from doing coal plunges, don't you.
24:57
Speaker 3: Doesn't that give me because that's why when I'm struggling
24:59
Speaker 3: to focus or.
24:59
Speaker 4: Jump in the pool because I heard.
25:01
Speaker 1: Someone talk about that before. And focus, focus, concentrate, maintaining
25:06
Speaker 1: your focus. They're a big part of ADHD. So people
25:09
Speaker 1: with ADHD struggle with that. There's three types. So there's
25:13
Speaker 1: the inattentive ADHD profile, which is more struggling to focus
25:19
Speaker 1: maintain that awareness. And then there's the hyperactive impulsive one
25:23
Speaker 1: and that's sort of the kids you see jumping on
25:26
Speaker 1: the chairs, and it was under diagnosed back in the
25:29
Speaker 1: day because it looks different in women. They may not
25:32
Speaker 1: have this hyperactive impulsive type of presentation. And then there's
25:37
Speaker 1: the combined which is inattention and hyperactivity impulsivity combined.
25:42
Speaker 4: Wow, how is it diagnosed?
25:45
Speaker 1: Yeah?
25:45
Speaker 4: Really good, that's a good question.
25:47
Speaker 1: So who can diagnose it? A psychologist and a psychiatrist
25:51
Speaker 1: In adults, I'm gonna speak more about adults ADHD. It's
25:55
Speaker 1: diagnosed by doing a clinical interview. So first your clinician
25:59
Speaker 1: will go through your history, your schooling, understanding your symptoms,
26:03
Speaker 1: is there ADHD in your family, and this is a
26:06
Speaker 1: pretty standard process for any diagnosis, any assessment, and then
26:10
Speaker 1: we use a range of questionnaires and assessments so that
26:14
Speaker 1: look at how your brain is operating the way you
26:17
Speaker 1: think impulsivity focus. But it has to have been occurring
26:22
Speaker 1: for a long time. So if you're someone who's just
26:25
Speaker 1: noticed you're struggling with attention and focus, but it hasn't
26:29
Speaker 1: really been a problem, it's probably likely to be something else. Yeah,
26:33
Speaker 1: So when we do those assessments, we look at the data,
26:36
Speaker 1: we're able to track it back. It's been present since
26:39
Speaker 1: childhood and it's still affecting your day to day life
26:42
Speaker 1: as well.
26:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, so hearing some of the traits that these people
26:47
Speaker 4: are suffering with, is that why do you think people
26:51
Speaker 4: are self diagnosing because they're just like, oh, I can't concentrate,
26:53
Speaker 4: I've got ADHD.
26:54
Speaker 1: Many people who do think they have it do have
26:57
Speaker 1: it a lot of the time, and the reason is
27:01
Speaker 1: because it wasn't picked up on anywhere. Right children, as
27:06
Speaker 1: young women, you sort of sit at the back of
27:08
Speaker 1: the classroom, you like, don't pick me, don't pick me.
27:10
Speaker 1: You sort of get by, and especially in the younger years,
27:14
Speaker 1: you know, kids are sort of pushed through and encouraged
27:16
Speaker 1: and if you don't have that overly hyperactive presentation, then
27:21
Speaker 1: it's not really picked up on. Women can internalize a
27:24
Speaker 1: little bit more that impulsivity in hyperactivity is more in
27:28
Speaker 1: your thoughts, overthinking, you know, analyzing, going back over your steps.
27:33
Speaker 1: And to answer your question Ash.
27:36
Speaker 4: Which was just about having a self diagnosing because they
27:40
Speaker 4: have one symptom of a concentrator, I'm so unproductive.
27:44
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I think it's important to know that, yes,
27:46
Speaker 1: we all have those symptoms at some point in your life,
27:50
Speaker 1: retired and if we have it. But this causes a
27:53
Speaker 1: lot of distress. There's also emotion, just regulation, struggling to
27:57
Speaker 1: control your emotions. It affects your relationships because you're impulsive.
28:02
Speaker 1: You might jump from relationship to relationship. Your jobs, people
28:06
Speaker 1: might jump from job to job. It affects your self worth.
28:09
Speaker 1: And eighty percent of people with ADHD have another comorbid
28:13
Speaker 1: mental health condition such as anxiety or depression.
28:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this is controversial, but do you think
28:20
Speaker 4: that our lifestyle and diet contributes to this?
28:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think it is a controversial,
28:28
Speaker 1: challenging topic. But we are so overstimulated in today's.
28:33
Speaker 4: Society, over consuming so much.
28:36
Speaker 1: My tension span has changed and I don't have ADHD.
28:39
Speaker 1: You know, even just watching a video, I put it
28:42
Speaker 1: on fast speed, like why are they talking so slow?
28:45
Speaker 4: You know podcasts too.
28:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it plays a big role, especially your upbringing.
28:51
Speaker 1: You know, if you were around our parents, or you
28:54
Speaker 1: were you know, witnessing I guess in attention or you
28:58
Speaker 1: know food. Yes, it can all play a role, but
29:00
Speaker 1: we need to remember that there's usually multiple things that, yeah,
29:04
Speaker 1: contribute to it.
29:05
Speaker 4: They have done studies with some children when they change
29:07
Speaker 4: their diet that like so many of the symptoms decrease,
29:10
Speaker 4: and then they don't actually put them on medication because
29:12
Speaker 4: it is manageable through a lot of their lifestyle choices,
29:15
Speaker 4: which is pretty cool, I think for people to explore
29:17
Speaker 4: before they go on medication.
29:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:19
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm saying that with such a question because I'm
29:21
Speaker 4: wondering and it's.
29:23
Speaker 1: A tricky one, right because ADHD medication is very different
29:26
Speaker 1: to say, antidepressants and anti anxiety. Oh okay, how yeah,
29:31
Speaker 1: So ADHD medication are usually stimulants. So stimulants stimulate the
29:36
Speaker 1: frontal lobe and they quieten the noise, so people they
29:39
Speaker 1: actually can focus on one thing at a time, similar
29:42
Speaker 1: to caffeine. Right, you feel a bit like more switched on. Right,
29:46
Speaker 1: You're ready to go? And with ADHD meds, and I
29:49
Speaker 1: just want to put a disclaimer. I'm not a psychiatrist.
29:51
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but have studied psychopharmacology so I
29:55
Speaker 1: know a bit about it. You don't need to take
29:57
Speaker 1: it every single day like an antidepressant. With antidepressants or
30:01
Speaker 1: anti anxiety, it needs to be really consistent, whereas your stimulate.
30:05
Speaker 1: If you've got a really busy day at work, you
30:07
Speaker 1: can take it and it's kind of like Cinderella at
30:09
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock, you can go back to being a pumpkin.
30:12
Speaker 1: You know, not thank you, but the effects will wear off.
30:16
Speaker 1: But everyone is such a case by case approach. Some
30:19
Speaker 1: people may not need or want medication. Some people may
30:23
Speaker 1: find it really useful. So yes, if you can notice
30:27
Speaker 1: changes without having to go on meds, that's amazing. But
30:30
Speaker 1: I also think there's a lot of stigma around medication
30:32
Speaker 1: as well.
30:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I've got a girlfriend who recently got diagnosed,
30:36
Speaker 4: and she's recently gone on medication, and she has tried
30:40
Speaker 4: being really healthy and doing all these things, but exactly
30:42
Speaker 4: how you explain. Now, she doesn't take it every day,
30:44
Speaker 4: but most days she does, and now she's like I
30:46
Speaker 4: can actually concentrate and finish one task and then move
30:49
Speaker 4: on to the next where she felt like she had
30:51
Speaker 4: one hundred tabs open all the time, and just then
30:53
Speaker 4: we'll get overwhelmed and throw it all and go distract
30:56
Speaker 4: and watch TV yes, or like go party or go
30:58
Speaker 4: do something because it was just too much. Because now
31:00
Speaker 4: she feels like a brain can be like, Okay, I've
31:02
Speaker 4: got to get this task done. I can get it done.
31:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:05
Speaker 4: Interesting it is and what works, you.
31:07
Speaker 1: Know, if you find it's helpful. And I'm all about
31:10
Speaker 1: using other strategies as well, but if someone does have
31:13
Speaker 1: stigma around medication, I really encourage them to explore it
31:16
Speaker 1: and explore Wedthers has come from.
31:18
Speaker 3: You know.
31:19
Speaker 1: I had a DM recently from a girl saying I'm
31:21
Speaker 1: really sure I have it, but my mum's very spiritual
31:24
Speaker 1: and doesn't believe in it, and I don't know how
31:25
Speaker 1: to navigate that, so it's tricky.
31:28
Speaker 4: Another one I just thought of that i'd love you
31:30
Speaker 4: to talk about is binge eating. Yeah, that seems really
31:33
Speaker 4: really common, so.
31:35
Speaker 1: Common with people with ADHD, but also not with ADHD,
31:39
Speaker 1: and I think there was a rise the number of
31:41
Speaker 1: people who struggled with binge eating throughout COVID escalated because
31:45
Speaker 1: we didn't have access to things that gave us dopamine,
31:49
Speaker 1: the gym, we couldn't see our friends. We go out
31:51
Speaker 1: to restaurants, so food became that dopamine sensation seeking thing.
31:58
Speaker 1: It's easily accessible. There's a lot less judgment around that
32:01
Speaker 1: compared to say drugs or alcohol, isn't it? That's so true? Yeah,
32:06
Speaker 1: but a large percentage of people, women especially do struggle
32:10
Speaker 1: with binge eating. And then we've got binge eating disorder,
32:13
Speaker 1: which comes in the eating disorder category.
32:16
Speaker 4: What kind of help is that out there for binge eating?
32:18
Speaker 4: Like it's obviously not medication you can go on?
32:20
Speaker 1: Or is it with binge eating disorder? It's one of
32:23
Speaker 1: those eating disorders. It's not always about weight, shape and size.
32:26
Speaker 1: People might be binge eating because there's trauma.
32:29
Speaker 4: It's like a distractional way to a coping mechanism, right.
32:32
Speaker 1: Copin mechanism. Maybe something happened when they were younger, and
32:35
Speaker 1: they're eating to make themselves be what they perceive is undesirable.
32:39
Speaker 1: So they don't get attention because something might have happened
32:42
Speaker 1: when they were young. But in terms of treatment, it's
32:44
Speaker 1: really important to focus on eating structure, making sure the
32:48
Speaker 1: person's eating throughout the day, because many people will not
32:51
Speaker 1: eat throughout the day and then the binge eating happens
32:54
Speaker 1: at night. Right. Emotion regulation, making sure they've got strategies
32:58
Speaker 1: so they're not using food to self regulate, and then
33:01
Speaker 1: just working on body image and self worth because that
33:04
Speaker 1: really enforces dissatisfaction.
33:07
Speaker 4: Beautiful, and that's probably working with someone like yourself for
33:10
Speaker 4: a longer period of time. Yes, it's not a one session.
33:15
Speaker 1: Disorders take one to six years to really really manage.
33:21
Speaker 4: And say, in the last six months twelve months, what
33:24
Speaker 4: would you say is the most prominent issue that women
33:26
Speaker 4: are struggling with.
33:27
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. Initially you want to say
33:30
Speaker 1: anxiety depression, but I believe there's symptoms of other things. Yes,
33:36
Speaker 1: because obviously when you see a doctor, they have to
33:38
Speaker 1: put something on your mental health plan to see a
33:41
Speaker 1: psych and anxiety and depression is sort of the really
33:45
Speaker 1: standard symptoms we get. But I think eating disorders are
33:50
Speaker 1: so prominent. One in four women who go on a
33:53
Speaker 1: diet or restrict at some point will go on to
33:56
Speaker 1: develop disordered eating or an eating disorder, but they don't
34:00
Speaker 1: often get help for that. It's the side effects, the anxiety.
34:03
Speaker 1: It's the depression, which very common. But again, what is
34:07
Speaker 1: the most common eating disorder versus what are people going
34:10
Speaker 1: to get help for?
34:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I remember seeing a start. I can't remember
34:15
Speaker 4: what it is. You might know it, but I think
34:17
Speaker 4: it was up in the high eighties eighty something percent
34:20
Speaker 4: of women or maybe men too, that haven't eaten, sort
34:24
Speaker 4: of like anorexia is from being sexually assault when they're younger,
34:29
Speaker 4: like most of it stems from a sexual assault when
34:32
Speaker 4: they were a little girl.
34:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, there definitely are some links between sexual assaults or
34:38
Speaker 1: abuse as a young person and then the later development,
34:42
Speaker 1: particularly of anorexiinivosa even binge eating disorder as well, But
34:47
Speaker 1: again case by case approach, But it could be people
34:50
Speaker 1: just wanting to relinquish control over some part of their life.
34:54
Speaker 1: I worked with a lady who had severe anorexia, and
34:58
Speaker 1: she had significant trauma, and in that trauma, she was told,
35:02
Speaker 1: if you ever put on weight, you know we're going
35:04
Speaker 1: to come find you. And she had to stay thin
35:07
Speaker 1: because she thought she wouldn't be seen. So it's very
35:10
Speaker 1: powerful how you can be brainwashed as a young person.
35:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a girlfriend that had it. She was
35:16
Speaker 4: in and out of hospital and now she's out the
35:18
Speaker 4: other side. She said it was just she felt like
35:21
Speaker 4: she was losing control of everything in her life. She
35:23
Speaker 4: was sexually decided when she was younger, and she felt
35:24
Speaker 4: like she lost her power then and then through taking
35:28
Speaker 4: control of her food and getting as skinny as possible,
35:31
Speaker 4: the only things she could control. She couldn't control what
35:33
Speaker 4: that person did to her. She couldn't control the anxious
35:35
Speaker 4: thoughts she had, the shame she was carrying. But food,
35:38
Speaker 4: you bet you, I can control that, and that makes
35:40
Speaker 4: me feel like I'm in my power and no one
35:42
Speaker 4: can take that from me because no one can force
35:43
Speaker 4: me to eat. So that's what it was addictive for
35:46
Speaker 4: her to stay skinny and have that power. I was like,
35:48
Speaker 4: that makes so much sense. I can totally see. Yeah,
35:52
Speaker 4: for sure.
35:54
Speaker 1: It's also reinforced in today's society. Look, yeah, I don't know.
36:01
Speaker 1: Someone could lose weight because of trauma, stressed, they're unwell.
36:06
Speaker 1: So I think as a society we need to be
36:09
Speaker 1: aware of commenting on and vice.
36:11
Speaker 4: First, Oh, like I get it all the time, like
36:13
Speaker 4: other too musty, I'm too skinny, I'm too fat, I'm
36:15
Speaker 4: too this. And I was like you can't be saying
36:17
Speaker 4: that to people. I get ask when I'm pregnant.
36:18
Speaker 3: I got asked like last week, Oh, that's right, are pregnant,
36:22
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, I'm actually a woman, and
36:24
Speaker 3: I'm right before my period and this is how my
36:25
Speaker 3: body changes.
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Speaker 4: I kind of saying that's normal and all of us
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Speaker 4: have a flat stomach twenty four hours a day, three
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Speaker 4: and sixty five days of the year. Yeah, it's sad
36:35
Speaker 4: the comments get thrown around, and it could be that
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Speaker 4: one comment. So people when they say, what was this
36:39
Speaker 4: saying sticks and stones may break my bones, but words
36:42
Speaker 4: will never hurt me, kay, But words actually gosh so
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Speaker 4: much so damaging. Your comment could be the one comment
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Speaker 4: that tips someone over the edge or puts them on
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Speaker 4: a path. Now, for anyone who's listening who has never
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Speaker 4: gone to psychologists, I've never seen anyone for help, Like
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Speaker 4: it is scary. Yeah, it is foreign to one put
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Speaker 4: your hand up and say hey, I need help, to
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Speaker 4: actually acknowledge that, but to act on actually booking session
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Speaker 4: and then thirdly actually going and turning up. What advice
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Speaker 4: do you have for people that are just so shit scared? Like,
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Speaker 4: you're not scary, You're very friendly, but you know, it.
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Speaker 1: Is a scary, scary. When I was going through my
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Speaker 1: own eating disort of growing up, I didn't seek help
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Speaker 1: for ages because no one spoke about it. I had
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Speaker 1: this idea that I needed to sort it out. And
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Speaker 1: I think as well as women, we just think we
37:29
Speaker 1: should be able to sort it out, we should be
37:31
Speaker 1: on top of it. But the good thing is step
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Speaker 1: one is identifying that something's not right. And you know
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Speaker 1: what's the cost if you keep going down this path
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Speaker 1: and you don't get help Versus it's an initial scary
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Speaker 1: cost of seeing someone. I'd recommend that people research online,
37:48
Speaker 1: find someone you connect with important. Yeah, you can do
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Speaker 1: that nowadays. You know, back in the day a doctor
37:54
Speaker 1: just referred to to anyone. But you can actually go online,
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Speaker 1: find someone with you know what you're looking for. Do
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Speaker 1: they deal with anxiety, do they deal with depression? And
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Speaker 1: then see if they have availability and you can be
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Speaker 1: referred to them specifically. And the third thing is write
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Speaker 1: things down, so at least when you go in there,
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Speaker 1: if you do have a mental blank or you're anxious,
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Speaker 1: you can say, you know what, I wrote some notes,
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Speaker 1: I just want to go over it.
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Speaker 4: Such good advice. That's great, such good advice. Thank you
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Speaker 4: so much for joining us. That was so informative. Like,
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Speaker 4: I've learned so much. There's some big words in that
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Speaker 4: I can't actually say say, but I've learned so much.
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Speaker 4: I feel like I want to go back and listen
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Speaker 4: to this and actually write some notes down myself, because
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Speaker 4: it's so important that we open up these conversations and
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Speaker 4: normalize talking about this and being educated so that if
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Speaker 4: we meet someone or our kids develop something, we know
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Speaker 4: what to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Just you know, know that you're trying
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Speaker 1: your best and mental health it's not easy. It takes work,
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Speaker 1: it takes dedication. But even if people are listening to this,
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Speaker 1: well done on investing this time to learn, yes and grow.
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Speaker 4: And if anyone wants to book a session with you,
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Speaker 4: or do you have other psychologists that work with you
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Speaker 4: as well, where can they find you.
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Speaker 1: We've got a fantastic team. They can just click the
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Speaker 1: link my profile or visit Mindfoodpsychology dot com. And we
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Speaker 1: don't just do eating disorders. We see everyone. It's easy,
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Speaker 1: it's in the comfort of your own home. Medicare rebates
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Speaker 1: oh beautiful. Yeah, just get in touch even if you've
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Speaker 1: got a question will help.
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Speaker 4: And I don't know if you mind sharing, but what
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Speaker 4: is the cost of a session with you or with
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Speaker 4: one of your team members? Because that's a question we
39:26
Speaker 4: get asked in the forum all the time, and I
39:27
Speaker 4: answered it and I said, I feel like it can
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Speaker 4: be one hundred to seven hundred dollars, like depending on
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Speaker 4: who the person is, the coach, the qualifications, how in
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Speaker 4: demand they are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, and it does depend. A general psychologist
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Speaker 1: usually will start at around two hundred and fifty dollars.
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Speaker 1: Clinical psychologist might be a little bit more than that,
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Speaker 1: and then the rebates, so you do get about one
39:49
Speaker 1: hundred and forty one, but that's great medicare with a
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Speaker 1: clinical and then I think around ninety four with a
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Speaker 1: general site as well. You've got a mental health care plan, And.
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Speaker 4: Do you recommend people seeing you for a minimum of
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Speaker 4: three months or is it just like go with the flow.
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Speaker 1: I really believe the reason people may not see a
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Speaker 1: difference or get better with psychologists is because they don't
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Speaker 1: go consistently enough. It's like going to the gym. But
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Speaker 1: depending on what the issue is, it does need to
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Speaker 1: be consistent. But case by case approach, my insta and
40:23
Speaker 1: TikTok is mind food Steph.
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Speaker 4: So cool because that's where I consume your content on TikTok. Yeah. Yeah,
40:29
Speaker 4: you've got a book and a podcast as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on over check it out. It's called the
40:33
Speaker 1: What's Eating You? Podcast and the book is Food Jail,
40:37
Speaker 1: Breaking the Bars of binge Eating.
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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much for joining us. It's not
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Speaker 4: the end of you though. We're having you back on Wednesday,
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Speaker 4: which is really exciting.
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Speaker 1: Cool