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Yvonne Michéle: How to Heal from Trauma, Find Your Voice & Reclaim Your Power | Ep 28 · Sense Only

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  SPEAKER_03: When we went to court, the result was not what I expected.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because he got a not guilty verdict.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: You can see me wearing this unmuted.
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  SPEAKER_03: My voice is my superpower because I really believe it is.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I changed my name, it enabled me to talk the story.
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  SPEAKER_04: Listen, that's a chess move right there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Checkmate.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey! That's powerful.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_03: You have the ability to speak and to speak up for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: You have the right to speak up for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, man on man would say, Well, why don't you don't hit her back?
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  SPEAKER_03: But he's valuing the woman and he's not hitting her back, so she's hitting him.
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  SPEAKER_03: But then there's children.
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  SPEAKER_03: Those children are witnessing that behavior that will impact those children.
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  SPEAKER_03: It impacts you.
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  SPEAKER_03: You don't want to say anything because of your sibling or your parent.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you're the one now carrying all of the weight of the abuse.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's gonna have an impact on you psychologically, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And and this has been proven.
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  SPEAKER_03: Everybody has the right to speak, and a lot of the time, what it is is that oh, I can't speak because I don't want to bring shame to the family.
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  SPEAKER_03: I take responsibility for where I go next.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I take responsibility for how I show up in the world.
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  SPEAKER_03: That has happened.
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  SPEAKER_03: I can't change that because that was something that was done to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: But what happens next is what I do for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and so I choose to do this for myself.
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  SPEAKER_03: So everything starts with me, and I take responsibility and I take accountability, and that's how I live my life.
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  SPEAKER_04: Greetings and salutations.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm Alicia Mullings, and this is the Sense Only Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_04: This podcast is for those who are tired of the noise, distraction, and disconnection in the world.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's for those who know that we need to be the change that we want to see in the world today.
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  SPEAKER_04: My guess is so powerful to the point where I've just been while it's so deep, the conversation that we've had before we've even turned on the cameras.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's a powerful lady.
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  SPEAKER_04: She has achieved so much and is and is continuing to achieve so much.
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  SPEAKER_04: She's literally an inspiration.
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  SPEAKER_04: I feel so blessed that our paths have aligned and that she's now a person who's a part of my world.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I can't wait to let her tell you everything about all the amazing things that she is and is doing.
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  SPEAKER_04: I am over the moon to introduce to you the wonderful, the fantastic, the amazing Yvonne Michel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Such a nice introduction.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: This is from the heart, honest.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's cool, it's cool.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's good to be here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for having me on this show.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've been looking forward to this for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_04: The same, same.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm over the moon that you're here.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yvonne, tell us about you and what it is that you do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, so I'm Yvonne Michelle, I am a singer, I am an artist, I am a spoken word artist, a storyteller, I'm an author, coach, motivational speaker, and I'm a mum too.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm a mum.
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  SPEAKER_03: So um, but it it didn't start off like that, you know, just an ordinary girl that went through a lot of hardship as a young person.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I talk about my story and I talk about overcoming trauma into triumph.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_03: And um, yeah, I I've done many great things in my life.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, one of those things is leading my choir gospel singers incognito into Britain's Got Talent, where we were semi-finalists and um got to meet Simon Carroll and all of that the lovely stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it opened significant doors for me as as well as choir, but for me as an artist as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and from there we met beautiful people like Idris Elba.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, we were on the mobile, we've done so many different, so many different things, so it really opened a door uh for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: But gospel music is something that I love as well, and so I started this thing called Gospel in the Pub.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, okay, yeah, Gospel in the Pub many, many years ago, and it um I think from there it's kind of what's led me into what I do because I see people who are hurting, people who are in pain and who want an answer.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and and so I use as I say, I use my story and the fact that I can sing to inspire and to help other people to let them know that they can overcome whatever issues present themselves in their life.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's what I really do.
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  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um before we get started on all the deep stuff, because I know you're gonna take us deep from the fact that I've just had to just fix up my under eyes and I've just been barling.
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  SPEAKER_06: Sorry.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's uh you know, it's powerful, it's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, what have you done lately that you're proud of?
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  SPEAKER_03: Ah, so my latest thing that I've done that I'm really proud of is I wrote a play.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's a one-woman musical monologue called Caught You in a Lie, and it stems from my book Permission to Speak Granted.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you say before we get deep, it's gonna go deep, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: Let's do it, let's go.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Permission to Speak Granted was a book that I wrote a good few years ago, and it came from when I took the perpetrator, the perpetrator who abused me as a child, to court when I actually found my voice.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, for those of you who don't know me, I was uh abused as a child, and because of that, I became very insular in terms of the abuse.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't speak it to anybody, and the reason why I didn't speak it to anyone is because I thought it was my fault.
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  SPEAKER_03: I thought I was to blame, you know, I felt dirty, I felt like you know, nobody's ever gonna believe me anyway.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I carried this abuse for years and years and years.
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  SPEAKER_03: My behaviour changed, and many things had happened um over the the lifespan of my life because I am seasoned with a little piece of change on me.
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  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Seasoned with some change.
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  SPEAKER_03: So so when this thing happened, what what was happening is I became a safeguarding expert for a church that I was going to, and I was talking to other women who were experiencing things within their relationships.
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  SPEAKER_03: And one lady uh made a disclosure to me, and I and I said to her, 'I'm gonna really have to take this further' because I need to safeguard you.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: She actually didn't want me to do that, but I had to do what I had to do.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when I got home that evening, I sat on my bed and I just heard a voice just say to me, 'So now that you're doing this for these people, when are you gonna do it for yourself?' Wow.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so that just put a hold, like had me at attention, and I remember just sitting on my bed and just sobbing, you know, not knowing what to do, because this is historical now.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so I called a colleague of mine and I said, Look, um, this is something that I need to kind of discuss with someone.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I'm not quite sure what I need to do.
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  SPEAKER_03: And she said, Well, what you need to do is make a disclosure to the police, and she said, if I needed somebody to go with me, she would, which she did.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I made the disclosure, and then the wheels started to turn.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um the case ended up in court.
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  SPEAKER_03: The CPS felt that there was enough evidence to take it further, so we we took it further.
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  SPEAKER_03: And what happened was I the result I wasn't ready for that because I had thought, right, you know, I've told my story, the CPS is like saying they've we've got a good case, we're gonna get conviction, and then that part of my life will be over and done with.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: When we went to court, the result was not what I expected because he got a not guilty verdict.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh how?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_03: Because of the evidence, the evidence was his historic historical, and because of others who gave evidence within the family, the jury felt that it he was not guilty.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: They couldn't, it it had to be anonymous uh uh, you know, what's the word?
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  SPEAKER_03: Where all of them, everybody would have to say the same thing the same thing, and they couldn't get that.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he was found not guilty, and then I spiraled.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just spiralled because it wasn't what I expected.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I was absolutely devastated, and I remember going to Italy that weekend, so I got the verdict on the Friday, and the Saturday morning I flew out to Italy to to minister to to go and sing.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: I remember singing the song, uh Whitney Houston's song, I Love the Lord, it's called she sang that in the preacher's wife film, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I remember singing that song, and I sang my heart out.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was an incredible experience.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I I remember crying out to God and asking God why, why, why?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: And like I say, I spiraled out of control and went within myself, and I was so hurt, so so hurt.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as time went on, you know, I was just so angry, so angry.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and so, you know, life went on, and I still continued to do the things that I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was still singing, I was still, you know, I wasn't ministering as as much as I was.
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  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't find the joy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so a friend of mine asked me to write the story.
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  SPEAKER_03: She said, just write it down.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, so I wrote a story which was featured in another book, and this book was about women's experiences of men, either they'd been raped, sexually abused, whatever it was, whether they were young, whether they were old.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I wrote the story in the book and I left it at that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Got on with my life, was in the choir, building things, singing out, going all over the world singing and doing my thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: But there was something still inside of me that was like I couldn't rest.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't rest.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I decided to write more and I wrote the book.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I called the book Permission to Speak.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: Granted.
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  SPEAKER_03: One of the reasons why I called the book that is because he was found not guilty, so I wasn't allowed to speak about it because I could end up in court.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I then decided I'm gonna try and find out what I can do.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I decided to change my name so I could speak.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's a powerful move.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, I think I normally speak about it, I don't normally speak about it on social medias and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: But but I am you can see me wearing this unmuted.
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  SPEAKER_03: My voice is my superpower because I really believe it is.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely, and because I changed my name, it enabled me to talk the story.
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  SPEAKER_04: Listen, that's a chess move right there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Checkmate.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay, checkmate powerful.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so I wrote the book, dedicated it to my mum.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_03: My mum died when I was 11 years old, and she was she was the one who kept everything in check.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when she died is when everything changed, and that's when the abuse started.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I wrote the book permission to speak, granted, because I felt like I had never had the opportunity to tell my story.
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  SPEAKER_03: I never had the opportunity to be who I am, I never had the opportunity to speak my truth.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so because he was found not guilty, it means I've got to stay quiet.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, nah, hell will have to freeze over before that's gonna happen.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I changed my name and wrote the book, and then from the book, you know, it's available on Amazon by the way.
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  SPEAKER_03: From from the book, um, I I carried on as normal, doing lots and lots of brilliant stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wrote other books um about the the windrush generation and lots of different things about self-love, and I was really finding myself.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then in 2025, uh the 20 end of 2024, I was working with women around domestic abuse, and I was putting on this show, it was a tribute to Louisa Marks.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, for those of you who don't know who Louisa Marks is a Lover's Rock um icon, beautiful voice, and she died very young in the prime of her career.
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  SPEAKER_03: She died, which I would say was under a cloud, and I started to investigate what was going on with her, you know, why did she die?
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  SPEAKER_03: What happened?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, she no one really knows, they just know that she was poisoned.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: She was it, she went to Africa and she she was poisoned and died.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I thought, oh, I wonder if I could make a story about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I thought about doing the story.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I was having this you know moment with these women that I that I talk to.
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  SPEAKER_03: I do a thing called Coffee Cake and Conversation, and we talk about all different things to inspire women to really find their own voice and do their own thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we was talking, and one of the ladies asked me, she said, Don't you have a book?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: and I was like, Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So she said, So why are you doing this show in tribute to this lady?
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  SPEAKER_03: Which she said, I'm sure she's great.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why are you not doing your own story?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then in that moment, it was like within like 15-20 minutes, got a pen and started to write, and I started to write the story, and that's where Caught You in a Lie was birthed.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's my story, it's my personal story of how I overcame trauma, and I talk about the things in the show, but it's all done through music, so it's a musical.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I have a live band who are absolutely brilliant, and so we've done six shows.
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  SPEAKER_03: The last one was at the Shaw Theatre in the West End.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when I did the pilot, which was January 2025, I spoke, I did it in a small place in Luton, and I spoke to the audience, and I said at the end of the night, I said, What do you think?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think I should take this out on the road?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it was a resounding yes.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: So we did a tour, um, and then we went to the Shore Theatre.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so that for me is and I've taken my time to get there, but that's for me, you know, one of the the highlights of what I've done recently, definitely, and it's changing people's lives, and that's the important thing.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just about my story, it's people identifying their own story within it.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, you know, definitely.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_04: Hence why, yeah, I'm crying before the camera.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_04: Come on.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: No, I love it.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's literally, it's it's therefore now giving, I guess, testimony that the work that you do is powerful.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the light that you're shining on the world and gifting to others is powerful, and definitely um you're you're you're putting out the right message, as you say, in terms of um people using their voice.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's so important that you know we have the voice and we think, oh, we have to be a singer, we have to you when I talk about the voice, I'm not talking about a singing voice.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm talking about I'm not even talking about really a speaking voice that goes out on the platform and does motivational speaking.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm actually talking about being honest with yourself, yeah.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: Having the voice to actually speak your truth unapologetically, because I think that a lot of us feel that what we've got to say is not important or that no one wants to hear it.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: There are women out there who are at work and their their workplace are mistreating them, and rather than speaking out, they stay quiet, they stay reserved, and they take the treatment.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: But what I'm saying, when I say your voice is your superpower, I'm actually saying you have the ability to speak and to speak up for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: You have the right to speak up for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: When I was a little girl, I didn't I didn't feel like I had the right, and I was silenced for years and years and years, but now I'm unmuted and I'm unapologetic about that.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I talk about I said I was a storyteller, so I tell stories about things that have happened in my life, and I put a bit of humour with it, a bit of music with it, but just so that other women and men can see themselves and really start to build themselves and realize that they are important.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: You're here on this earth, you are a creation out of the image of God.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: The fact that you're here, you know, in this world speaks volumes to me.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes on the stage, I'm like, you know, we we were created from billions and billions of sperms with the egg, and we could have come out anyhow.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't have to come out as Yvonne Michelle, I could have come out as I don't know, Tom Baker for all I know.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: I could have been a boy, you know, I could have looked completely different.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: But it what it was is that that sperm and that egg got together and created me.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and that's a miracle in itself.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: And each one of us in this world, we're miracles walking on this earth.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so it for me is important to let everyone know you have a voice, you're important.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: What you have to say is important, you know, how you feel is important, and a lot of the time, what happens is that we dismiss ourselves, we dismiss how we feel, we dismiss, you know, the the logic in our own minds.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Your mind is telling you, take that road, do that thing, but you'll tell yourself, oh, I can't do that, I'm I'm not good enough.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: But the thing about life is, and this one of the things that I I tell my grandson and I tell other people, if you say you can, you can, and you're right.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but if you say you can't, you're still right.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: And you can't, and you won't do it.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: So you make the decision, use your voice for good, use your voice to speak out.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: It is a superpower, and once people realize that you're actually speaking up for yourself, they'll think twice.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: They'll think twice about putting you down, right?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Because they'll see that you actually value who you are, right?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: And that's the the greatest thing, the greatest gift is being able to value yourself.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: Right, definitely.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's so freeing to speak.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_04: My goodness me, when like in terms of just talking on behalf of myself, I guess, and not for anybody else.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like, the just even the fact of having this podcast has shifted so many energies for me and freed so many things for me.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I totally I'm on I'm on board with everything that you're saying, and I could only ever wish it for other people.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_04: But I was gonna say, let's briefly touch on what I was just whilst before we put on the camera.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_04: Well on a serious, yeah, like there's so many people because as you've just said, there's people going through things um first hand, but what we've just the rabbit hole we just went through us, yeah, there's people actually experiencing things you could say second hand as well.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and those people to a certain degree as well can feel silenced out of respect for the person who experienced it definitely first hand, so it makes things tricky.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_04: So, like in terms of the thing that you just helped me with, in terms of rewording things, because if it's your family member or friend or whatever, literally just kind of instead of talking about the specific individual, talking a bit more broad in a in an umbrella.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: Generalise.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, trauma is trauma, and whether you are the person who has felt it directly, or whether you are the person who's actually watching it play out, yeah, it's it's the same emotion that you're feeling.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: And that means that let's say for instance, we're talking about physical abuse, domestic abuse, right?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because the and I'll say physical abuse because domestic abuse has many facets.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: Because you've got financial abuse, you've got spiritual abuse, you've got mental abuse, you've got emotional abuse, you've got all of the different types of abuses.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: So let's go to physical, right?
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: If we talk about physical abuse, and if you are a parent, two parents, a mother and a father, and you've got children, say for instance, let's switch it up.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: Let's say the mother is physically abusing the father.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: Because we know the other way around, it's that's the way it normally is.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: But there are instances, and I know that people will say, well, men are abused as well.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: So for For the sake of those people who are gonna say that on the podcast, on the in the messages, let's say that the mother is abusing the father.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: So the mother is hitting, she's being aggressive, the father's not retaliating.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: So he's being abused.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: So he has his emotions, he has his feelings, he knows how he feels, and more so because he's a man, you know, man on man would say, Well, why don't you don't hit her back?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: But he's valuing the woman and he's not hitting her back, so she's hitting him.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: But then there's children, those children are witnessing that behaviour that will impact those children, right?
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so what they're experiencing, you can't take away from them, and you can't say that that's less, it could even be that it doesn't even have to be the children, it could be that a sister or a brother is living in that environment, and the brother or the sister, because you know, I've witnessed stuff for myself.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: The brother or the sister is witnessing the sibling going through domestic abuse, but because it impacts you, you don't want to say anything because of your sibling or your parent, so you're the one now carrying all of the weight of the abuse, that's gonna have an impact on you psychologically, right?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: And and this has been proven, right?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: So everybody has the right to speak, and a lot of the time, what it is is that oh, I can't speak because I don't want to bring shame to the family.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_03: Let me talk about the Caribbean community, Caribbean African community.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: Let me talk to them, my people speak it, right?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because we've got this massive rug, yeah, and underneath the rug is body parts.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: Let me just say body parts.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: You say, if what are you talking about?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, this might be before your time now because you're young, you're younger and but when I was growing up, I used to play with Barbie and Cindy and Tom and not Tom Ken, these little dolls, right?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm cutting them conquer.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh it's a youngish.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_04: Younger than I am.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'm prized, I had a lot of love for my Barbie doll.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_04: My dad brought me back a black one from America.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I was lucky, man.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: Lovely, I'd never had a black doll until my daughter was born, and I every doll she had was black.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I wanted her to see herself, you know.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: But you think about those little dolls, those dolls are like long, and you'd be able to pop off the limbs, the head, everything.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_03: Do you pop them off?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: So imagine now you've got a rug, it could be in your sitting room, you've got your rug.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine all of those Barbie dolls, that all the things were all broken.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: That was the vision that God gave me under the carpet.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: Broken people.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: This is this is mine, this is our community, broken, yeah, broken through abuse.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: Now, let me be frank.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of the abuse that we have experienced stems from history.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we have things that are embedded in the fabric of our DNA, right?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Some things we don't even really understand.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: Some of the behaviors that we do, some of the things that we do to each other, we don't really understand, and that comes back of what happened to us through our ancestral bloodline.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: And because of that, now we definitely now need to to to kind of lift up the rug and start to look at these traumas and look at how we start to heal the brokenness.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: And this is what Unmuted and Unapologetic is about.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is what this is what I stand for, this is what Court Yuna lies about.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_03: Everything that I do and everything that I talk about is about this, and it's about us healing.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: But the healing has to, we have to go back to the beginning, and the beginning is us as a seed.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: We are seeds, yeah.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: If you think about those people who like to do gardening, I when I do my show, I have to say, when I do Caught You in a Lie, every person that comes, they are gifted with a seed, it's a mustard seed, and the the ethos is if you believe to the size of that seed, let me just pull it off because I don't even think the camera's gonna pick it up, how small that is.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Can you see that, Alicia?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: That I don't even know if this the camera would pick it up.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: The gist is fine.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: Tiny, tiny seed.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: If you have the faith, if you can believe in yourself to the size of this seed, right?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Then anything is possible in your life.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: So I give this, I gift it to everybody, and I give them the option you can either crush it, soak it, or plant it.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: When I talk about crushing the seed, that means not doing anything with it.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Because you might as well crush it because it's just gonna sit there, nothing's gonna grow, nothing's gonna come from the seed.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a seed in a plastic bag, that's it.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: Aye, useless.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: Useless.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's just you know, you put it down, you put it down in the corner, nothing's gonna come from this.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: But you could take it out and soak it.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: If you take it out and soak it, those people who who like to grow things will know that you're preparing the seed, you're you're putting it in a place of preparation, and you're actually having the mindset, I'm going to do something with it.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you don't soak the seed for too long, otherwise, you'll drown it.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: So it'll become waterlogged and useless again.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: So, what I'm saying to people is plant it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, when you plant it, water it, speak to it and watch it grow.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: And there are many people who have had these seeds, there's hundreds of people who have these seeds, and I get emails, I've grown my seed, pictures of plants, look at my seed, and they're saying this is me, and I'm growing and I'm doing and I've decided to do this, or I've decided to do that just from this seed.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I say that because as we're talking, and and you know, people have gone through trauma, and people feel that the trauma defines them.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: As a person who has been through numerous trauma, there is nothing in this world that will stop me from being who God created me to be.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: And that is what I'm here to encourage, nurture, help, guide others, whether you're male or female.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I do work with predominantly females, but if you're a man and you need help, I'm not gonna turn you away because we're here to grow together, and it's really, really important.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: So, so I'm saying visualise a tree, the trunk is the is the voice.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_03: That voice is gonna help you to do all of these different things that you want to do in your life.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: So, no matter where you know your listeners are in their life, no matter what trauma, that trauma doesn't define them.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: What defines them is the decision that they choose to make, and I'm using my words really carefully because every decision is a choice.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: If you decide not to do anything, that's a choice.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if you decide to do something, that's a choice.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm saying to your listeners, if you want to achieve something, if there's something out there that you want to do, just do it and do it scared.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, do it scared.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: The show caught you in a lie, went to the went to the West End.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: I was petrified.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even know the pilot, I'm telling you, I didn't even know what I was doing.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: They were like, How what is this?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: What and I'm like, when you get there on the day, you'll see.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even know how it was gonna play out when I spoke to my musical director.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: I said, right, I've got these songs, and he's like, Okay, yeah, so the band's good.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: So when do we come in?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, you'll know, we'll just I'll I'll signal to you, I'll give you a look or something.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: And he was like, Alright, right, I go to him, just think like we're in church, right?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: You'll know.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: Just catch the vibe, just catch the vibe, yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_03: And he was like, afterwards, he was just like, Wow, yeah, incredible.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and even the musicians, we didn't expect that, we didn't, it was so powerful.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: So, what I'm saying to your listeners today is if you got something to do, same way with your podcast, do it scared, everything literally about to wait.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_04: I was just waiting for you to finish to literally double down on that, yeah, literally, because it as I've I've shared on the podcast as well.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_04: I knew I had the calling, I knew I had to do it, as you've just shared as well with yours.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: I I didn't know what it was gonna look like.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: I was just like, most high, lead the way.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and as you just said, wonderful things come after, but the key thing is start, yeah, just start, and the journey will provide all the answers that you need, literally, you know, absolutely, and if you stay tapped into whoever your creator is, the most high, it is literally you will get carried through whatever it is all the way hundred percent, hundred percent.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think I say in my talks, miracles happen in movement.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, if you're stagnant, if you're not doing you will start to smell hundred stagnant water, yeah.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: You have to move one step at a time.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I had no idea when when when I got the not guilty verdict, I had no idea that I would do all of these things.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: I had no idea that my testimony would impact as many people as it has.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: I never thought that I would be using my voice in the way that that I use it.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: I was in Sicily the other day singing and and telling my testimony to a crowd that doesn't understand English, but yet still they felt it, they cried, it was an amazing experience.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: And this is why I say to your to your listeners, do it scared.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, 100%.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: Do it scared.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: You you're listening to this fabulous podcast, and you're setting this trend.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, you've got people who are gonna be listening to you every week, every time you load, they're gonna be on it and they're doing all the liking.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: Don't just like, don't just follow, but take a step yourself.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: This is what it's about, yes.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: You know, this is it, yeah.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: This is it, this is what it's about.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: We gotta grow, you got to, and like um just to kind of give a testimony of the absolute madness I've been through this week regarding this podcast.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna share because anyone who is a regular listener and um who does tune in on my social medias and things like that, I'm gonna let me share this, right?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: So this we are recording today post me putting out the episode with Brother Leo Mohammed.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_04: Shout out to him, wonderful episode.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_04: However, that episode had people had the racists and the trolls crashing out last week when I say opinion that.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_04: So, prior to starting this podcast, obviously a lot of people, myself included, but a lot of people who have a desire and a dream and a want to um put themselves out, I guess, in the public arena.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_04: So um, socials, internet, all them sitting, yeah.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but don't because they're frightened of the haters and the trolls and whoever else is just got nothing better to do with their time.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I had a little bit of that prior to doing it, but as I'm tapped into the most high, so I was just like, nah, I'm gonna roll with it because who are these people?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, fast forward to last week.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: The shorts that I put out.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_04: So if anyone wants to work out which one it is, it's the Leon Mahaprabhu.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_04: If you go on my Instagram specifically, there's the same people on TikTok, decent people on YouTube shorts.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know where the demons were.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_04: The demons seem to be on Instagram.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh they crashed out.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: So the thing that I said to say the thing that actually will scare people and have people frightened about oh my god, I'm just gonna get attacked on social media, blah blah blah.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_04: When I say it happened last week to me and this podcast, and initially, obviously, because it's somewhat new, and because I'm an empath and I'm a spiritual person and I feel things, I've felt things without even um going.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: I never went till now I haven't gone in to see what the people then were saying.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_04: Because at the same time, you have to um protect your spiritual hygiene and things like that and your mental hygiene.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_04: But I had an inkling, because obviously, I'm gonna see comment, comment, comment, comment, comment, comment, comment, come, hundreds of comments are coming through my phone.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm like, that's not people spreading peace and love.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: Nah.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_04: It was literally the equivalent of the people doing the comment on their family.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_04: That is what the energy was.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, wow, to the point where my people have reached out and kind of been like, what's going on?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_04: What in the um parasites is going on in your socials?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_04: And um, as I haven't personally gone in there, as I did to say I'm just gonna land without rambling.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for shifting my algorithm.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, nice one.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah! The haters and the trolls shifted my algorithm to the point where you're pushing my com my you're pushing my work to the people you need to see it.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_04: And you've helped to actually build my trompe even more on people who are actually significant and relevant to me.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: Because at the same time, when you're doing your cannon, keyboard warriors, keyboard warriors and I'm at it.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_04: Sitting over here.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like this.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, nice, cheers, nice one.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: Again, because uh I'm also seeing my followers coming up because more people are seeing it.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'm uh what's going on in the bed?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: See, you shifted my algorithm to the racist and the trolls.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: So that's right, that's right.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_04: My point is, as you just said, the choice do what you is you need to do.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because actually, blessings and good things can actually come from it.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and if you're tuned into the most high and you're a good person, and you yourself, in terms of whatever you're putting out in your intention, is from a pure and beautiful place, it's only going to land beautifully.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_04: The journey may be rocky, you may have knotters on the journey attacking you, but at the same time, you're only gonna attack somebody who's doing something.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, people who ain't doing nothing are not getting bothered, so you're not doing enough, clearly.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, that's true.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: Just you know, just do you.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Don't look to your left, don't look to your right, but keep your eyes on the prize.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: What you want.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: The naysayers are always gonna be there, they're always gonna be there.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: But what you do, like you've just done, you use them as your springboard to your success.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's what they're there to do.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know what I say?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, when I do my programs, I say, you see, you know, like when you're at school, you got the springboard and you, and you you lit your leverage off.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly what you're doing.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: Every time one of the trolls comes, you just stamp on the head and leverage and go further and further and further and further.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: At the end of the day, they ain't got nothing better to do with their time.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it's obviously bothering them more than it's bothering you.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're shifting my algorithm.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let me work for me.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's right.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_04: Do your job.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that is the epitome of transmutation.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah that got transmuted, like, yeah, it didn't even it didn't, because you know, sometimes actually it just comes to me.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_04: Some people would do like return to sender.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_04: That wasn't even the return to sender.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: That was like, thank you for the energy, alchemy, transmute that, and then that shifted must stuff into in front of people who were actually relevant and needed to see it.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: Who were like, oh, I like this.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_04: Follow, yeah, subscribe.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's what you want.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: Job done.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's what you want.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: This is it.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: Listen, so take this.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: This has been powerful.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: Take this, right?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: Take this information and use it.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know, your listeners use it for whatever they want to do because what is there for you is there for everyone, it's there for us all to do, to have, to be, right?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's there for us all.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: So never think that you're not good enough, right?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: Or you don't have the tools or the skills, or you know, because there's people who are watching this show who want to do, they might, they might not want to do a podcast, but they might want to do a live event, they might want to go on a stage and sing, they might have poetry, they might anything.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like, Oh, I don't know, I don't know if people are gonna want to listen to me, what you know, I don't know if they people will want to hear what I've got to say.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: But if you had stopped at that point, this wouldn't be here, and the conversation that we've had, the healing, the transformation that we've experienced since we've been talking, yeah, wouldn't have happened.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: This is it, right?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: This is it, and so this is this is beautiful.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: Keep doing what you're doing.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: You know, keep pushing, keep down the wall if you have to.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, yeah, man.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's it's it's great, and it's like just to kind of um circle back to when you're saying in terms of people who have gone through things like Ike and and it's debilitated them.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: I literally can sit here and I can put names to that, and it's it's so sad and it's so unfortunate because you know when you can see people who are just really talented, but they've actually made what has happened to them define them, and it's unfortunately stopped them to the point where yeah, life stopped for them.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um I can literally think of people on both sides of my family, unfortunately, and thankfully some tune in, so I'm hoping that this is actually going to inspire them to you know tap into their gift and shift it around and whatever's happened to them, use that as a battery in your back to actually push forward, don't make it stop you.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: Take the energy from that, take the learning from that and power forward.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Power forward.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the biggest, the biggest force, the biggest energy that stops us from doing anything is fear.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_03: And fear is like a slave master.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: It holds us in shackles.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_03: But we have to, I think if there is someone that's really fighting with with with this and is really battling fear, we know that fear, we know what it the the acronym is, false evidence appearing real.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: But that evidence can really appear so so real, right?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: So we're here today to say it's not real.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: We're here to say to say if you need to reach out, you can reach out.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because there are people who will help, you know, you can reach out to me, I'm on everything, and we'll help you to overcome that fear.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: But slavery is dead, right?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_03: That shackles is dead, it's here, it's a mindset, and sometimes you need maybe a coach or somebody to help you shift that mindset because we are no longer a slave to fear, and that reminds me of the song because I'm a child of God.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: No shackle, no weapon, no weapon formed against you will prosper.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_03: No weapon will prosper, and all it will take for you is to show brevity.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: I made that word up by the way, brevity.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: Bravity is a word that I made up, and it means being brave in action.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: So we can talk about being brave, but brave means that you have to be in some kind of action.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: So brevity.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: If you get into bravity and you have somebody to help you on that journey, then you can overcome anything you put your mind to.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes we just need support, you know.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: We need somebody to walk us through.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: We might need somebody to encourage us to just take that one step.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: And once you've taken one step, you'll take another.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: Similarly, to a little child, babies, yeah.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: When they get up, they see you walking, right?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: And they're looking at you from their little self and they're like, I want to do what she's doing.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_03: So they get themselves up on the chair, yeah, and they stand, and they when they stand, they're rocking like this, and they see you walking, it's like, oh, so if I move my foot a little bit, I'll move.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: So they slart to slide their foot, but they might drop down, they drop down, but then they get back.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Up, what am I saying to you?
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying to you is you've gone through something and it's knocked you down.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, and it might have knocked you down till the wind has been taken out of you.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: Get back up, and when you get back up, you might rock because you don't have the balance.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_03: But show the brevity by putting one other foot in front of the other.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: And if you drop down again, get up.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: Be like the child.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: You see the children, they will walk around the furniture, you know, to get to where they need to get to.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: So that means that you might need to have somebody to support you to get to where you need to get to, but eventually, when you are ready, you will be able to stand, walk by yourself.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_03: And that is the encouragement today.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: Love that.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_04: That's good.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_04: And just to um, what am I gonna say?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_04: Plug my own stuff in that moment.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_04: I've got my course to help people step into that and take action, like you've just shared.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_04: We all have something in us, we all have gifts in us, we all have lights um to share, and I'm sure there's a lot of people who desire to be of service to everybody else, and some people don't know how to or what to do, and I have created the course to help.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_04: And you can find it on senseonly.com and you can find the other beauty at only one shell.com.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: This is what we do, this is what it's about.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this is what it's about.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: As I always say, we've taken action to help other people take action, yeah, basically, because as you said, no man, woman is an island.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and this is part of this podcast is to unite people because we're all just fragmented all over the place on a on a survival thing, like especially as you say, culturally, bring everybody back together.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: We know there's a lot of healing to be done individually, but there's also a lot of healing to be done collectively.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_04: Do you want to tell us more about your books?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, I I have my books here with me today.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: So this is um permission to speak granted.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: So this is the book that goes with Caught You in a Lie.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and yeah, so if you want to survey all my books are available on Amazon, and I have this book.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: This book is really important to me.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: This is a this was a labour of love.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: This one.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is The Journey Beyond Windrush, and this is 12 stories by Windrush Generals, I call them.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_03: Some of them have unfortunately passed away now, but their stories still here.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: This is legacy, guys.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: This is what this is what creating legacy looks like.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: Their stories are still here because what we do know is the most affluent place in the world is the graveyard.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, with all the stories that we never got to hear, but there are 12 stories in this book.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, as I say, by Windrush General, so that's the journey beyond Windrush.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: And then I have um 21 Days to Loving Yourself, which is actually a course.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: So this is an online course, this is a book that goes with it.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you fill it in, and um, it is about the relationship that you have with yourself, first and foremost.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because a lot of us, let me just say, a lot of us, a lot of people, it's not us because I done I've done the work, I'm doing the work, but a lot of people focus on relationships with other people.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you know, he he's the love of my life, or well, she's the apple of my eye, and all this.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, if you want a successful relationship, the relationship you have with yourself should be should come first.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: First and foremost, learn about who you are, what you like, what who you who who you like, where you're going, what you want, your desires, everything.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: This book's 21 days.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: If you miss a day, you have to start again from the beginning.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: So if you are one of those people who who you know you can commit to yourself, this is a great book.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_03: And if you can't commit to yourself, it's still a great book because by the end of it, by the time you get to day 21, you would have committed to yourself for 21 full days.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_06: Love that.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so this is a really good book, really power, really, really powerful.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I I do this quite regularly, and sometimes we have to start again.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_04: It's good, but also just it's key in terms of it being 21 days as well, because that's the amount of time it takes to form a new habit.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_04: Does indeed.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're there, we're there, and then we think yeah, we got the Empowered Woman 90 Day um success journal, and that's just for you to journal.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so, but all of these books are available on on Amazon or from my website.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can get them as well.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: So, so yeah, um, and just to say that Court Unile is going to Barbados.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: Oh when?
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_03: Because I may just reach.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I will be in Barbados from November up until whenever.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_04: Fantastic! Uh a May Reach.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, for real.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, so and then we're back next year doing it at London, Birmingham, Wolverhampton.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's the plan to do it.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_04: Love it.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_04: I need to connect you to a wonderful fellow podcaster, Ariana.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_04: She is in Memphis, Tennessee, USA, and she is out here doing the work for um it in line with yourself.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_04: She has a podcast.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_04: I am going to put it on the screen because unfortunately, Ariana, I'm so sorry.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: I can't think off the top of my head, I don't know if it's empowerment something, but I'm gonna put it on the screen and I'm gonna put it in the description box.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_04: But she's out, she's out in Memphis upsetting the powers that be.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_04: Come on now, yeah.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_04: Because the people in terms of the systems, it's it's it's one thing when people are in domestic abuse um in their immediate world.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's another thing where you actually are some people who reach out to get help and the help's a mess.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what she's helping to do and fight against.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's been fascinating what I said, so I'm going to connect you back.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: We need that, we need that, because it's I'm telling you, from what I know, here there are people who work within the they work within the sector of domestic abuse who are doing some fantastic work.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_03: There are.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: But equally, there are people who work in the sector that are not and they are not helping.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: And we as because if I if I start talking about domestic abuse and I talk about it from a black lens, it looks completely different from a white lens.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: Alright?
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's completely different.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_03: How we are treated, how we are looked upon, the the resources that are there, and as much as there are organizations out there that are working specifically trying to help black women and girls, we are still underrepresented, we are still pushed to a side, we still don't have what we need.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: And so any organisation, be it UK, America, wherever it's based, who are doing significant work like that, that are really helping the diaspora.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I want to know, I want to know, I want to be uh of help, I want to be of service because I see it all too often.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, our women, you know, just get left by the wayside.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_03: Our women are women are and women and girls are dying right now, yeah, right?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: Emotionally, yeah, physically, mentally, financially.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: We are dying.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: And I think we need to, there needs to be some things, there needs to be significant change.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_03: Big time.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_03: It really doesn't.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_03: And that means putting your neck out on the line, that does mean dealing with trolls, that does mean, you know, so what?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't like it, tough, innit?
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's just the truth is the truth.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_03: And the truth of the matter is, black women, black girls, and women of colour are dying.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_03: And this is the truth, and we see it.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_03: We see it.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_03: Why is it that now I know I've gone off topic topic now, but why is it that if a black woman calls for assistance, she's been beaten, that the police don't necessarily come.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: Why is it that we're seeing more and more black women dying from domestic abuse?
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_03: Why is that?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, why why are these things happening?
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_03: As I was saying, system broken as well.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_03: We have to call it out.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_03: We have to call it out.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I I mean, there's that case, and you might not be able to post this part, but there's that case of the man who killed his wife and his two daughters, and then went off to some African country, and he is using the law to get away with it, basically.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_03: I never even heard this case.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a big case, big, big case.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_03: In Bedford, it happened.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well to do black family, big, you know, house and everything.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_03: And the media, what they do is they look in, oh, they've got a big mansion house.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_03: Why have they got a big mansion house?
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, because they're black, they shouldn't have a big mansion house.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but he's some IT expert, blah blah.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_03: Murdered his wife and his two daughters.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: Mad.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_03: Mad.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_03: But this is the thing now.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: We we gotta look at this and we've got to talk to our boys.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: We've got to raise our young men because sometimes they don't understand what consent is.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_03: I listened to something today, and it was another podcast, and the question was asked, would you prefer to be um to be chased or attacked by a bear or a man?
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, that was a whole thing that was out, and people were saying bear were a bear, yeah.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and why is that?
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's because of how we are seen, especially as black women.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's how we're seen, how we're sexualized.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: The big breasts and the big bum that comes naturally, it's not implanted, it's natural.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: The small waist, you know, the shape is how we've been sexualized, it's how we've been looked upon.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: And that's within the fabric.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: When I talk about fabric of DNA, these are the things I'm talking about.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, these are the go deep, deep, deep, you know.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: So when I talk about caught you in a lie, it's huge.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just about my story, it's about the lies that we've been taught about ourselves.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and sometimes I see young girls they're dressing, and I'm not disrespecting any young girl, I see them and they're very sexualized.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but then what happens now when you've got the men who are who are just looking on the young girls, looking on them, looking the big old daddy old men, looking and then we we so these are the other things that we are now having to deal with.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_03: The system is broken.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_03: It is, our community is broken.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, and we now as I call myself as the elders, need to now start to pull in and start to teach and start to grow, start to nurture the younger ones because what I see going on out there in the world isn't is not good, right?
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: Especially around domestic abuse because it's ownership.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I own you, you will do this because I say so, but that's not how it is.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_03: If I provide you with a skirt, you now belong to me.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_03: And this is this is the mindset of individuals, mindset of men, mindset of women.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he bought me this, so I have to give him that.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_03: I've given her this, so I want that.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's the ownership, I own you.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, no, we are not embedded in slavery.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_03: Go back to the song again.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm no longer a slave to fear, I'm a child of God.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_04: I concur with what you're saying, and just for me, because I just stayed downloaded, I I see this, and when you specifically touched on attire, um the difference of grandmothers in particular, because as long as there's this things where people could like take it for joke now, that was a reality once upon a time.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's something like an underskirt.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna go there.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you go in there, you're going deep.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna go there.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_04: Because as much as it's probably seen as grannyfied, there was a stage where it wasn't just the grannies who had an underskirt, it was everybody had an underskirt, whatever age, to the point where little girls had an underskirt.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_04: Therefore, also the length of your skirt's going to be in line with the underskirt, etc.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: etc.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_04: But I say there was a level of decency and modesty that was learned behaviour.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_04: But I say that to say it more so felt that, and people can correct me if I'm wrong, I'm happy for that.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_04: It was more the position that the grandmothers took.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_04: Because when I think about these things, I don't think so much of the mums, because it obviously grandparents played a bigger part in the role of we were raised by a village.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_04: I I always say I'm literally, I'm the epitome of a child who's raised by a village to the point where I remember I don't know what I did, but when it dawned on me, I literally felt like at a cost, I said, I feel like I'm getting, what do I say?
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like I'm getting raised by six people or something like that.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_04: And it was my truth because I could everyone had a different role in my life on a daily basis.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_04: It weren't just my mum, it weren't just my dad, it was my nana, and it was my granddad, and it was my aunt Ann and my Uncle Michael.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_04: I just got to a point where I'm not going to do nothing rude anymore because that's a lot of mouths I have to deal with.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_04: I'm one of the few who never had to get beat.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_04: Well, this is it.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_04: You know how much people you have to answer this long and tired?
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_04: I probably prepare you to beat me since it's done over quick.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_06: That's funny.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: Just beat me.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: I can't cope with all these people.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's accountable to a lot of people.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_03: But it's true though.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's true.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know, times have really changed, and I think, you know, there was a time when, you know, you'd go out even to shopping, and you would see your mum's or dad's friend, and you'd be like thinking, I hope they don't see me because they're gonna tell my mum or dad that of that part.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and now if you see a young person, they're cussing you out.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: You tell them anything, you know, you you see a young girl and and maybe, you know, or young boy, it's let me go to the young boys for a minute, because the girls always get picked on.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_03: The young boys with their trousers halfway down their the the back of their leg.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right?
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_03: And you tell the young boy, pull up your trousers, and they want to start cussing you.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: Cuss who?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm telling you, pull up your trousers.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want to see your underwear, I don't want to see last night's dinner, you know what, you don't even clean your butt on properly.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'd go there, but you just you just don't know how they're gonna react.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, come and knock you over or whatever, yeah.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_03: As a you know, all right, auntie, yeah, call me auntie.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you have that manners and come, even though I'm not your auntie, yeah, yeah.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_03: You have the manners and respect.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_03: But pull up your trousers, man.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_03: Why must I see that?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_03: Why is that fashion anyway?
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_04: Because it don't look good.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_04: And we know and the thing is it's it's from a lack of knowledge and lack of information as well.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_04: Because if they knew where them behave where that came from.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like where let me not go there.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_03: Prison.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_03: They think they think they're yeah, they think they're bad man.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_03: Bad man, bad man wear belt.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_04: Bad man wears belt because we know that that actually the the trousers down underneath your butt.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_04: Does that not come from the penitentiary?
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the prison.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, anywho.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, we story for other days.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you know, we just we are the elders.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_03: We are the elders, and we we gotta be able to say, and like you said, you you had like a number of people that you had to go through.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it will it will fix your business, and I feel that that needs to come back.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: Love that.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: Fix your business.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_04: You'll fix your business.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_04: I niche when I tell you my barometer, my barometer when I was growing up, it gives me joke now.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_04: When I think before I had to think before I did anything, and where it's gonna sound quirky, but what used to cross through my mind before I did anything was if I do this, if Nana finds out about it, specifically Miss Mullings, Mrs.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_04: Mullings, um, shout out to my nan.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_04: Because I've got both my nans, but the the person who was in my brain, penetrated in my decision making was Nana Mullings.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_04: If I do this, if Nana finds out about it, can she go to church and brag to her friends about it?
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_04: That was my barrameter.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, okay.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_04: For me little, that's when I was well behaved as well.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_04: Along with I can't be able to deal with all these people's mouths, was that as well?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_04: Some people be like, what would Jesus do?
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, what would go to Mullingstead?
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_06: Love it.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um I wanna be that kind of idea.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: I wanna be that kind of literally, yeah.
• 1:01:31
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_04: And she kept us all in line, yeah, in her ways, and as I said, she never had to beat no one.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_04: No, you don't have to.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_04: No, but the presence alone was powerful.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_04: And the thing is, even though I say that, ask anybody of your grandchildren who we love the most.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_03: Literally, yeah.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_03: Because she just she just isn't it.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_03: She just is.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_03: So she's got the godfather, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_03: Don't don't don't knock about.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's something to aspire to, I think.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_03: I do, I think that's what I'm gonna be doing.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_03: To bring that back.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_03: Bring it back.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_03: Bring it back, bring it home, you know, and and look after our children, look after our community, look after the ones that we love.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's it's hard out there, you know, and we we have to stop killing each other, you know.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_03: Not just, you know, we know that there's crime out there, but in in terms of domestic abuse, you know, um verbal abuse and how we talk to each other, we have to stop killing each other, you know, because the spirit is sensitive, the spirit feels, and the spirit knows within you.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so we have to look at each other and have compassion.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_03: And and really look out for each other, look after each other, respect each other.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, that that's what we stand for.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_04: 100%.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna I'm gonna put a slight sidestep on what we've discussed because 100% appreciate and love everything you've spoken about in terms of domestic abuse, specifically, um men being a perpetrator and women receiving what's been done to them.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_04: But as you just touched on earlier, the the reality is it goes both ways.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I just want to also acknowledge that because, in terms of who I am as a person, there's a lot of males in my life who see me as a set as a safe space, who have told me things they've experienced, and I want to just highlight also that there's women doing a lot as well to the men as well, to the point where it's so um, I was gonna say one thing that happened to one of my male cousins, but I'm not gonna say it because at the same time I don't want to give wicked people ideas.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, just yeah, I want to just acknowledge that it's not.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not, it's not one way.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's not one way at all.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it's becoming increasingly more so you're hearing now men coming out and saying that they're being abused as well.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because there was that stigma thing before where men wouldn't say because they didn't know how they would be perceived or how you know people take the mick out of them as men, they're you know, they're being in they're living in abusive relationships, but it does happen, it does happen, and we have to stop making excuses for that behaviour.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um but again I think we need to, because in my mind it's like we also mention um that there are some psychopathic people, yeah, male and female, and some one or the other, male or female, may use that against the other, yeah, and they're not actually telling the truth.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_03: So we we have to really be mindful of how we treat people, and when people are telling us their stories, try and get the facts.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_03: For me, because I've worked in this arena for a long time and I've experienced it myself firsthand.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_03: I will listen to the story, yes, and then I will make up my own mind as to because people will tell you part truths.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, I always say there's three three truths there's your truth, their truth, and the real truths.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_03: I I I say it's similar to your real truth, yeah, and so you have to sometimes you have to pick sense out of nonsense and uh to find out what the truth is, but the truth will come out, and we just have to be open to help people.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things, one of the key things I know from a woman's perspective, because like I said, I've worked mostly with women around domestic abuse, it's not whether you can give them money, it's not whether you can even hear them, it's whether you can give them space.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_03: So when this is happening, where do they run to?
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say equally it'd be the same for a man.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_03: Where do I go if I'm experiencing this?
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_03: There are helplines, and I will give you some helplines.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_03: You could probably put it on, you know, just in case people.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I will I will do that.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, we I I just think that it's it's such a complex thing, and it's such a broad subject, you know.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_03: So many people, you might even get children listening to this, young people.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_03: When I say children, I mean young people who may reach out and say, you know, how do I get help as the person watching my mum, my dad, my aunt, my cousin, whatever is experiencing that.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_03: So I think it's equally important so that you know everybody is seen.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's the thing that unmuted stands for.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's being seen and being heard.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because more often than not, people are not, and that is a hard thing.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's very hard, and it's like um one thing to sh another thing to share that when I was I at one stage was pursuing doing my master's in psychology, um, but the pandemic interrupted it, so I did start, I was doing my masters, then the world went upside down, and I deferred, but the world was still upside down, so I just uh yet to go back.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um life life has moved on.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_04: However, what I was one of the things that I was gonna do um in my study and it got approved and everything, I was literally going to um investigate, and I'm happy for somebody else to to take it actually if they're doing their master's because obviously I'm not doing it, but it still needs to be done, so you're welcome, whoever takes this.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um I was going to do it on when a child grows up in a in a home as a in a in a that has domestic abuse.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_04: When they grow up, what's that now looking like in terms of how they're showing up in the world and their decision making and things like that?
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_04: I was actually, yeah, I was actually gonna do a study on that.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, be good research.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and it's fascinating that it's not been done.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_04: Is it not been done?
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_04: No, hence why mine's got approved.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_04: You think it's simple and straightforward?
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_04: Does that mean no one's done that specific?
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because it's it's one of two, isn't it?
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of two things.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's either they they live against that or they are a perpetrator.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right, it's repeated, yeah.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_03: One to two.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_03: They say that more often than not, perpetrators have grown up in that arena, yeah, because it's learned behaviour.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, more often than not, but then there are those who were like, no, we're not having that.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_03: So, and I would say in terms of my experience of raising my children, because I as I said in the beginning, I've experienced many forms of abuse in my childhood.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_03: But one of the things that I I did consciously is that I raised my children by myself.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't bring in another party, I didn't have a boyfriend around my children at all until they were old enough, adult enough, for me then to say, right, I'm ready to start having a relationship.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_03: It was very, very important to me that my child and my children, it was my son, is my son is quite a bit older than my daughter, but it was really important for me that my daughter didn't experience what I experienced growing up as a child, and you know, because I know that if I if I'd had somebody in the house, no one had staying in my house.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: If I had somebody in my house and they abused my daughter, I'm going to prison.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, 100%, 100%.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_04: And it's funny you'd say that because I literally had this same conversation about two days ago with a friend.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_04: She was like, even though she's like in her mid-30s, she's told herself she's not gonna start dating until she's 50 because she knows she's got her children.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_04: She's like, I need them to be grown up and about to go about their business before she's even gonna start contemplating looking big age gap, but she's like, No, it's okay.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Give that time that big window to my children.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's a few it's a sacrifice, but it's worth it.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's worth it when you see them grow up and they grow out, grow up and they're level.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah grounded, yeah.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_04: And it's and it's a level of safeguarding as well because it's as much as you're getting to know this new person, that's a lot of extra maths and science you're gonna have to do in terms of all the things you learn about this person, but also you're you're protecting and safeguarding your children.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, absolutely, so you know, you don't know if this person now resides in the same property as you and you need to go to the shop.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you can't have the eyes in the back of your head.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_04: So you don't know what extra spirits are going on in certain people, you know.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_03: For real.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_03: For real.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_03: Because remember, you know, when you meet someone, you are meeting the representative of that person for at least two years.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_03: So then after two years, then you start seeing who they really are.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying, yeah, and that includes you as a person, yeah, yeah, because that's human nature.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_03: So you show what you want them to see, and after two years, you you you can butter again.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_03: And this is who I am.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not a conscious thing, it's not like you're saying, oh, here, I've done my two years now, so I'm gonna show you what who I am.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's just innate in us, how we are as human beings.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, whoever you're with, oh he's wonderful, yeah, he is, but he's only showing you the representative of who he is.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_03: This is it.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_03: And oh, she's fantastic, the sun shines, yeah, and it does shine because the sun is shining, but it's the representative, and that's okay.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a bad thing, right?
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's just a real thing, it's a real thing because obviously at the same time, you need a certain amount of time to collect data and the pattern recognition, you know.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: So when you're tuned in and you're watching this person, yeah, initially there's something that's uh okay, but then when you start seeing the repetition, you know, oh hold on, yeah, while I'm going for this, yeah.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh it's it's a red flag, it's a flag and it's flapping.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's a flag and it's flapping.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_04: And if you got me in the mix, I will just leave.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_04: Unfortunately, not everyone uh will just get up and leave that.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's true, yeah, it's true.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_04: If we stripped away the awards, the stages, the businesses, the titles, and everything the world can see, who is Yvonne Michel now, and what is the legacy you want the woman behind all those achievements to leave behind?
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's a really big question.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_03: But as you were asking me the question, the word warrior to me.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I quickly said, Why warrior?
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_03: Because like I'm your mum, I'm a mum, but just like I'm just me.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_03: But mums are the biggest warriors, yeah.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_03: The mummy bear, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_03: Which leads me to something that I saw yesterday.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_03: As in the warrior, um, I was watching a bit of wildlife, and I was watching the lion and the lioness.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_03: And this lion, lioness, the cub was in some water and it was struggling.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_03: So the lioness was trying to get the lion, the little cub, out of the water, and the lion now comes and tries to get involved and like tries to move her away, like pay the attention to me, kind of thing.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_03: And the way that this lioness turned, and she just the you could literally see the paw come up like moot.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was thinking, guan, yeah, and then she pulls she pulls the the the cub out, and she's tending to the cub, and then the the lion comes back, and as the lion comes back, he kind of snares at the cub, and the lion's fate, and then you see another lion come in the back.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_03: So there's another lion coming, and then the lioness is there looking at the the lion, and the snare that she gives him, he just the lion itself just backs off.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, yeah, that's that's that's when I say about a warrior, yes, that's what I'm talking about.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Because my job is to protect my own.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and when I talk about my own, thank you, Holy Spirit.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_03: When I talk about my own, I'm talking about my community, I'm talking about my people, yeah, I'm talking about the women and the girls and the young boys and the men.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm my job, my ministry is to protect.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_03: My ministry is to teach, my ministry is to pull them together and show there's a better way.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's my ministry, and that's through song, that's through creativity, that's through writing, it's through everything that I do.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_03: That is what my ministry is is to bring about transformation to my people.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_03: If you are not one of my people, I will still embrace you, but my focus is my people, my community, my loved ones.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's who I am.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_04: I feel the same.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_04: You just took the words out of my mouth.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_04: I feel the same, and that's why I've connected with you.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_04: Because yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_04: Literally, I hear you, I I see you, I feel you, all the things.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_06: You're very welcome.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, big question, though.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_04: Some big questions.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah, let's go through these ones.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_04: We live in a world full of noise, other people's expectations, social media, comparison, fear, trauma, and the stories we inherit about who we're supposed to be.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_04: How do you know when the voice you're listening to is actually your own?
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_03: The voice I know to be mine is because I trust who I am.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_03: There was a time in my life when I didn't trust who I was because of decisions that I had made in my youth.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_03: Even some of the ones that were the right decision to stay quiet.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'd I I learned not to really trust that voice.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_03: But then I had an experience with God, the Most High.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_03: I had an experience, and and I was at the lowest part of my life, I would say.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_03: And that part of life was where I contemplated ending my life.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_03: I was at such a low space, and in that moment, I remember being in my room, and my room was red, right, at the time.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_03: So you can imagine in my bedroom, all of the walls were like red.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's pretty much my room right now, isn't it?
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good red, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, this is like a real drawing blood, kind of a real like something's wrong.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, right, okay.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_03: Red.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_03: Pain.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember, because I talk about this in the play.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_03: I talk about this in this one of the one of the scenes in the play, which I'll share.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_03: I had a friend who was light-fingered, let's put it that way.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_03: She was a thief, anyway.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, sticky fingers.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_03: She's good light.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, but but she was a good friend to me, you know, she was a nice girl, but she just had this habit of stealing like clothes, not from people, but like, and she'll go out and she'll just go to work, she'd call it work, and she'd wrap up clothes and just take them and sell the clothes.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_03: What is that about?
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's yeah.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a job.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_03: She she would say, I mean, this is many, many, let me just say this, many moons ago.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, right.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, but she she back in the day, she would like, we would have lots of recreational substances.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, right?
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember feeling really low and she was like, come out, we're gonna go out.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, No, I don't want to go out.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, she goes, come out.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_03: She goes, I've got clothes, I've got you come and choose anything you want, I've got gear.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_03: And those of you who know what gear means, you know, recreational stuff.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so I started to get ready, and I'll never forget this because I started and I baited up my skin and I'm creaming up my skin.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I sat on the bed and I just heard this voice say to me, if you go, you'll die.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_03: I heard that audibly, like, you know, like you're talking to me.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_03: I heard that.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, Wow, like literally, like, who's in that?
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_03: It was almost like somebody else was.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_03: And the voice said to me, If you go tonight, you will die.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I I just burst into tears.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_03: I bala bala bala bala bala bala a bala na bala again.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_03: So and I went to sleep, and I you know, I'm not gonna tell you the whole the whole scene of the play, but I just remembered that, and I always say that that night saved my life.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Because if I had gone, I don't know if I would have died physically.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I may have died physically, right, or I may have died with the with the extracurricular things that was there on the table.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because it only takes one hit for you to become an addict.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_03: And that could have been the journey, but I made a decision not to go.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_03: Because I trusted that voice, yes, whenever I hear the voice, yeah, I trust it.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know listen.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's evidence protected you.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_03: My sheep know my voice, and a stranger they will not follow.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's scripture, that's word, that's the word of God.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_03: My people, my sheep, my children, the ones I have chosen know my voice.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_03: And a stranger, the outside world, the people who don't mean you know harm, the demon them, you will not follow that much.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_03: Fracts.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_03: I hear you.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you say everything starts with me, I am my own rescue, but there's an important distinction between taking responsibility for what happened to us and taking responsibility for what happens next.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_04: What did learning that distinction change about the way you lived your life?
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, everything starts with me.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_03: And you remember I said a bit earlier on, I said that in order to write the book I changed my name.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_03: This is where this started from.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_03: Because I had to make that choice as to who does this.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_03: I could sit and blame the verdict for the rest of my life and just live in that.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, if they didn't do that, if that wasn't the verdict, I would have done this.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_03: If that wasn't the verdict, I would have done that.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_03: But I've made a choice.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_03: I had to make a decision.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_03: Is this thing, am I going to let this thing ruin the rest of my life?
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_03: And my answer is no.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because I am my own rescue.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_03: Everything does start with me.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's the decision that I make about my future.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_03: So when I say everything starts with me, some people think, oh, you're so full of this, and you're so no, I'm I'm talking about as an individual, everything starts with me, everything that you're doing starts with you, everything that I do starts with me, and so on and so forth.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's about taking accountability.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's about taking responsibility.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_03: And somebody asks me, you know, how can you say, if somebody's abused you, how can you say you're take that you're taking responsibility, then you're saying it was your fault.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm saying no.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_03: I take responsibility for where I go next.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I take responsibility for how I show up in the world.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_03: That has happened.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_03: I can't change that because that was something that was done to me.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_03: But what happens next is what I do for me.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so I choose to do this for myself.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_03: So everything starts with me, and I take responsibility and I take accountability, and that's how I live my life.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_04: If somebody, if you could speak to somebody who's in um one of these challenging situations right now, real life lived experience right now, and they're inspired by everything you're saying, what would you what would you say to them?
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_03: I would say to them, if they believe they can, they can.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_03: And if they believe they can't, they can't.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_03: And if they need help to turn that can't into a can, contact me and let's work together and let's move move this forward.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_03: Because my thing is about paying it forward.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_03: My thing is about helping those who who a part of the structure of my business is about helping those.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_03: I do have a not-for-profit organization, and that's where that comes in to help to help women, girls, boys, men who have gone through something, gone through a trauma.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't even have to be like now, it could have been historical.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_03: And my my experience is historical because I waited a long time before I spoke my truth.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of the stuff that I talk about is from a historical perspective.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's my experience.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I would say join the movement, join, join us, join what we do, you know, get into the workshops to help you to navigate your life because there is amazing, there's an amazing life waiting for you.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_03: Just at the the the edge of you saying, I take full responsibility, or I am my own rescue.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_03: From when you can say that and you're ready to do the work, yes, let's do it.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_03: Love it, really.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_03: Where can they find you?
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_03: They can find me at www.evonmichelle.com, and the Michelle only has one L.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_03: Love it.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_04: You are an absolute star, absolute asset to us.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_04: You're a gem, and I I thank you for all that you're doing.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for having me.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, give me the opportunity to just speak, you know, and talk about the things that are important to me.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_03: But thank you.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_03: And what you speak in this sense.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_04: I so love it.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_04: Because sometimes there's people out here speaking, and you're like, maybe this person shouldn't speak actually.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_04: No, yeah, yeah, you're um, we appreciate you and the work that you're doing, and um, I definitely have people sending your way.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_04: And another wonderful episode, another episode that's just moved me personally.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yvonne is offering services that can move us forward as a people.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_04: So I'd say definitely go on her website, get connected with her, also get in the comments, talk to me, talk to both of us, and also like, subscribe, most importantly, subscribe.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so we've got a mission right now.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_04: We need to get more people tuned in because I see that everyone's watching, which is amazing.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_04: However, as you see, we've got work to be doing, so we need to just tune in and we need more people tuning in as well.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_04: Because this is not just entertainment, this is actual work and it's collective work for all of us.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_04: So I urge you to subscribe, forward this to multiple people who you know that this would be beneficial for, and let's really just get this work going and get this movement going.
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_04: So, once again, stay blessed.