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- 0:01Intro: At Bryan Health, we care for patients, educate tomorrow's
- 0:05healthcare providers, motivate our community with fitness and health
- 0:09programs and collaborate to continually improve how we serve others.
- 0:14That's why we are proud to present another Bryan Health podcast.
- 0:17Caitlin Whyte: Welcome to the Bryan Health podcast.
- 0:19I'm Caitlin Whyte.
- 0:20And today, we are discussing the LSVT BIG and LOUD treatment
- 0:25for Parkinson's disease.
- 0:27Joining us are Dan Kasparek, a speech language pathologist; and Cathryn
- 0:31Breutzmann, an occupational therapist.
- 0:34So Cathryn, we'll start with you.
- 0:35What are the LSVT BIG and LOUD programs?
- 0:38Cathryn Breutzmann, OTR/L: So up to 18 million people worldwide are living
- 0:42with Parkinson's disease and that's a disease that really causes people to be
- 0:47smaller and quieter, make smaller steps, quieter voice, smaller hand movements.
- 0:54It just really slows down their mobility and their speech.
- 0:59And so LSVT BIG and LSVT LOUD are both programs that are meant to help someone
- 1:06with Parkinson's be bigger or be louder to the point where they sound and move
- 1:14more naturally like they would have before they were diagnosed with Parkinson's.
- 1:19So both LSVT BIG and LSVT LOUD are programs put on by therapists.
- 1:26So LSVT BIG focuses on movement, so that's put on by either
- 1:31occupational or physical therapist.
- 1:34And then LSVT loud has to do with voice and speaking and that's put
- 1:37on by a speech therapist like Dan.
- 1:40Each of the programs is very intensive and they focus on amplitude.
- 1:45So for LSVT BIG and LSVT LOUD at 16 sessions at least, four consecutive days
- 1:52a week for four weeks, one-hour sessions.
- 1:55And the patients have homework that they're supposed to do each day at home.
- 1:59So it's very intensive to just kind of retrain the brain to act big and act loud.
- 2:06Caitlin Whyte: So, Dan, can you tell us a bit more about how
- 2:08communication and movement are improved through these programs?
- 2:12Dan Kasparek, SLP: Sure.
- 2:13Yeah.
- 2:13Most of the research shows that from a loudness standpoint, not
- 2:17only do people get louder, but there's better variation in pitch.
- 2:20There's even change in articulation and swallowing and facial expression,
- 2:24basically anything that has to do with communication can be
- 2:26improved through this program.
- 2:27Most of the gains are maintained for at least two years.
- 2:31We do have a follow-up once a year that we come in and just sort of recalibrate
- 2:34and make sure that everything is staying where it's supposed to stay.
- 2:37In the past, most treatment for voicing anyway was we would do
- 2:43it almost sort of passively.
- 2:44So we'd work on articulation for a little bit and some loudness.
- 2:48But now with this LSVT, it's intensive, it's high effort.
- 2:52And so basically, it's a one-on-one session that
- 2:56improves overall communication.
- 2:59Caitlin Whyte: And Cathryn, can someone receive both the BIG and
- 3:02LOUD treatments at the same time?
- 3:03How does that work?
- 3:05Cathryn Breutzmann, OTR/L: Yeah.
- 3:05So it's really a patient preference.
- 3:07Because it's an hour long and it's pretty intensive, some people, depending on,
- 3:13you know, their age or their strength level or that type of thing, we'll
- 3:17do four weeks of one program and then switch to four weeks of another program.
- 3:21But Dan and I definitely have people that will do both at once.
- 3:25And when we do have them both at once, we try and get them back to back on
- 3:28the same days, so they can come in and see Dan to work on loud speech and
- 3:33then come right over to work with me on big movements right back to back,
- 3:38so they don't have to wait or come back later in the day or that type of thing.
- 3:41So we really try and work with people's schedules to make sure
- 3:44that they get the best treatment possible that works for them.
- 3:48Caitlin Whyte: Now, Dan, when should someone start treatment and how
- 3:51can they get started with you guys?
- 3:53Dan Kasparek, SLP: Sure.
- 3:53It's best to start whenever you get a chance.
- 3:56The research mostly shows that you want to start as early as you possibly can.
- 4:02As soon as you start showing symptoms of decreased loudness or
- 4:06the smaller movements, you want to get in and get the program started.
- 4:09And each one, you know, both LOUD and BIG, they're individualized treatments.
- 4:13So, you know, it's a personal goal of where you want to get
- 4:16to and, you know, we've been trained to get you to that point.
- 4:19Caitlin Whyte: Well, Cathryn, is there anything else you'd
- 4:21like to share before we wrap up?
- 4:23Cathryn Breutzmann, OTR/L: Yeah.
- 4:24So maybe just a taste of what a session might look like.
- 4:27So a patient would come and visit with us.
- 4:30For LSVT BIG, for my program I can speak to, they would come in for an evaluation
- 4:35and we could look at how quickly they could walk, how big their handwriting
- 4:39may be, how coordinated they are doing buttons or snaps, how they do sitting
- 4:46into a chair and standing back up again, a bunch of different tasks like that,
- 4:50putting a jacket on, taking a jacket off.
- 4:52And a lot of people will have troubles with some of those activities where
- 4:56they'll either freeze or they'll get stuck or their movements will be
- 5:01really small or they won't have enough momentum to stand up from a chair.
- 5:05So after we evaluate them, we would talk to the patient about their specific goals.
- 5:10So what is hard for you?
- 5:12What do you feel like you struggle with on a day-to-day basis?
- 5:16What do your kids tell you that you're doing very small?
- 5:20Or what do people tell you that you look like you're having a hard time with?
- 5:24So then we would make goals together.
- 5:26So then each of our sessions, there's a standard set of
- 5:29exercises that we do each day.
- 5:31So the patient gets really familiar with stepping big, reaching big with
- 5:35their arms, standing up from the chair, using big energy, walking big.
- 5:41And then we also focus on their goals.
- 5:43So maybe they wanted to put their seatbelt on better, they really
- 5:47have a hard time reaching across and fastening their seatbelt.
- 5:50So then, during our sessions, we would work on reaching big for
- 5:53the seatbelt and buckling big.
- 5:56And it's a lot of big, exciting, active motion.
- 6:01And it's really a fun time to work on their goals in each of the sessions
- 6:05and see what they want to do better and really get better at those tasks.
- 6:10Caitlin Whyte: Great.
- 6:10And Dan, is there anything else on your end?
- 6:12What do your sessions look like?
- 6:14Dan Kasparek, SLP: Sure.
- 6:14Sure.
- 6:14So, yeah, we do what we call sustained phonation and then rising
- 6:18and falling pitch, which are just exercises to help calibrate the voice
- 6:21and then we do functional phrases.
- 6:23So if you imagine that you lost your voice tomorrow, what are the 10 phrases
- 6:27that would be most important to you?
- 6:29And so we practice those every single session.
- 6:30So all 16 sessions start with the exact same setup.
- 6:34And then what we do is we stair step up in complexity.
- 6:36So the first week is more of a word base and we're keeping it
- 6:40small, then we go to phrases and sentences and finally conversational
- 6:43speech during the fourth week.
- 6:45And I tend to see the biggest gains.
- 6:47The first week, you don't see a lot of change, but usually by the
- 6:50middle of the second week, we get a report of almost everybody that
- 6:53we work with seeing some change.
- 6:55And this is something that's sort of Cathryn mentioned, but usually
- 6:59it's not the person themself that noticed the initial change.
- 7:01It's somebody else in your family that says, "Wow, you sound so much
- 7:04better" or "You sound louder."
- 7:05And that's really encouraging because you can see results as you're going.
- 7:08Caitlin Whyte: Well, we so appreciate both of you taking
- 7:11the time to speak with us today.
- 7:13And that wraps up this episode of the Bryan Health Podcast.
- 7:16We'd like to thank our Bryan Foundation partner, Mapes industries.
- 7:20You can head on over to our website at bryanhealth.org
- 7:24for more information and to get connected with one of our providers.
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- 7:32the other Bryan Health podcasts.
- 7:34I'm Caitlin Whyte.
- 7:35Stay well.