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MONEY DIARIES: From Public Housing to 10k a Week as a Sex Worker · She's On The Money

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  Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr
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  Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
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  Speaker 4: And Victoria, I've got a long one to read to
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  Speaker 4: you today.
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  Speaker 2: A long one.
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  Speaker 4: Let's take it away, my love, our diarist, says at
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  Speaker 4: age fifteen, my older sister and I found ourselves in
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  Speaker 4: government housing on our own due to a turbulent home life.
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  Speaker 4: I worked five days a week in retail as well
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  Speaker 4: as going to high school, but eventually dropped out at
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  Speaker 4: age eighteen to start working in a brothel to make
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  Speaker 4: lots of money quickly. I had big plans to work
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  Speaker 4: full time in the industry, but everyone around me told
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  Speaker 4: me I was young and dumb and I needed a
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  Speaker 4: different career, so I got a job working as a
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  Speaker 4: flight attendant for a few years. Fast forward to age
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  Speaker 4: twenty one, I found myself a single mum. I worked
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  Speaker 4: part time as a flight attendant and part time at
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  Speaker 4: the brothel, but found that too many commitments was overwhelming
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  Speaker 4: and exhausting, so I quit the flying career and became
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  Speaker 4: a full time sex worker. A few years later, at
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  Speaker 4: age twenty three, without a dollar to my name, me
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  Speaker 4: and my now husband, who I had only been seeing
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  Speaker 4: for two months, signed the contract on a block of land,
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  Speaker 4: and I had eleven days to come up with a
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  Speaker 4: twenty one thousand dollar deposit. Thanks to sex work, I
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  Speaker 4: was able to make this money in such a short
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  Speaker 4: period of time, and that purchase has set us up stunningly.
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  Speaker 4: I am now thirty one years old, I have another
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  Speaker 4: child with my husband, to investment properties, and life is
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  Speaker 4: very financially different than it ever would have been if
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  Speaker 4: I had not just started to do sex work full time.
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  Speaker 4: At the beginning of the pandemic, me and my husband
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  Speaker 4: lost the majority of their incomes overnight, and I had
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  Speaker 4: to pivot from in person sex work to creating and
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  Speaker 4: only fans, which has now taken over as my main
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  Speaker 4: source of income, and in person sex work is now
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  Speaker 4: very much a part time income for me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a hustler. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 5: Hello, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you because I like to
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  Speaker 2: think that we're Instagram friends as well. So I've been
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  Speaker 2: so pervy about your journey because like I obviously know
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  Speaker 2: what you do and what you get up to, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, how did you get here? What does that mean? Like,
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  Speaker 2: obviously I know what your Instagram is and we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to share it, but obviously you are very successful
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  Speaker 2: in this industry and do a lot, so it makes
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  Speaker 2: sense that a majority of your income comes from only fans,
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  Speaker 2: and then the in person sex work is kind of
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  Speaker 2: like part time. Now, Like that's cool. Did you see
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  Speaker 2: that coming?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, it's nothing I ever could have imagined. I
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  Speaker 5: started only fans just to sort of get me through
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  Speaker 5: the lockdowns and the pandemic. Being an in person sex worker,
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  Speaker 5: you can't really do that socially distanced. No, No, I
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  Speaker 5: heard it was pretty physical as a job. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 5: with all the lockdowns and everything, I just had to
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  Speaker 5: really push my only events to sort of be successful.
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  Speaker 5: And it really has. It's taken off and it's so great,
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  Speaker 5: Like the lifestyle is really good. So it has taken
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  Speaker 5: over and I still see clients, but that's not my
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  Speaker 5: number one like mainstream of income.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Oh my gosh. Well, let's get straight into the
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  Speaker 2: structured questions and kick it off with money. Doris, Can
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  Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about your money story.
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  Speaker 5: So growing up, I had two like really hard working parents.
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  Speaker 5: They both did shift work. We had a nice home,
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  Speaker 5: and me and my siblings we all got to do
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  Speaker 5: like dancing and like gymnastics, whatever we wanted to do.
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  Speaker 5: Asides from that, we didn't really have much else, but
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  Speaker 5: like that, we had more than enough. Really. My parents
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  Speaker 5: would often like talk about money in front of us,
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  Speaker 5: but I just remember always hearing we're so broke, we're
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  Speaker 5: so broke, We're so broke, And in hindsight, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think my parents were ever so broke. They just yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure where they put their money. They were
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  Speaker 5: pretty good with it though, to be honest, Like looking
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  Speaker 5: at them now, they've you know, they've got a house
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  Speaker 5: paid off and they've got a good chunk of souper
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  Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So that's what money was like
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  Speaker 5: growing up for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so talk to me about how when you were
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  Speaker 2: fifteen you found yourself in government housing, Like how did
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  Speaker 2: you go from this beautiful lifestyle that you just explained
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  Speaker 2: to going, all right, now I'm in government housing because
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  Speaker 2: of a turbulent home life, Like what happened? My friend?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they were like they're good, they're great, hard workers,
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  Speaker 5: and I have a great relationship with them now. But
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  Speaker 5: as a teenager, my mum had lots of physical and
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  Speaker 5: mental health issues and it was very, very turbulent, and
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  Speaker 5: I got kicked out of home. My older sister left,
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  Speaker 5: my other sister ended up getting kicked out as well,
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  Speaker 5: and it was all sorts of fun. So it's weird
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  Speaker 5: because we kind of came from like a decent home,
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  Speaker 5: but it was real. We had a really rough, like
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  Speaker 5: teenage year. So yeah, so into government housing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really interesting juxtaposition. How did you deal with that?
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  Speaker 2: Because I feel like going from a lifestyle that you
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  Speaker 2: just explained to going to government housing and having to
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  Speaker 2: have your own income and then obviously deciding an eighteen
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  Speaker 2: to drop out, that's a very big shift. How did
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  Speaker 2: you deal with that? Were you okay?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I've always been like really independent. Looking back, I
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  Speaker 5: probably did go through like moments of like depression and
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  Speaker 5: stuff like that, but at the time, I didn't really
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  Speaker 5: understand my own feelings and I didn't recognize like what
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  Speaker 5: depression was. But like looking back, I probably definitely experienced
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  Speaker 5: it as a teenager, but I was always really independent.
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  Speaker 5: I had a part time job, so I just picked
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  Speaker 5: up extra shifts there I was to work and that
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  Speaker 5: sort of thing. So I had a lot of good
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  Speaker 5: like friends as well at the time, so that was
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  Speaker 5: really good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. All right, Next question, my friend,
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  Speaker 2: I think we already got here, but what do you
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  Speaker 2: do for work? And the juicy part, how much money
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  Speaker 2: do you earn?
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  Speaker 5: So I do only fans and I do in person
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  Speaker 5: like sex works. I'm an escort. It varies a lot,
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  Speaker 5: so I average between five and ten k a week,
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  Speaker 5: but that's because I have, like I have two kids.
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  Speaker 5: I don't really work too hard. If I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: work harder, I could definitely.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean you don't work too hard? You're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: five and ten k a week, but I don't work hard.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what, I know, that's beyond most people's wildest dreams.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty lazy. I only really work like I
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  Speaker 5: do one booking a day roughly, but that's all I
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  Speaker 5: really need to do. And like I've got such a
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  Speaker 5: busy home life, it's a perfect like balance. There has
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  Speaker 5: been times where I've worked a lot harder and you know,
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  Speaker 5: made double or triple that in a week, but generally
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  Speaker 5: between five and ten k.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, cool. Can you tell us about the
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  Speaker 2: breakdown of that? So how much of that is only
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  Speaker 2: fans and how much of that is in person sex work.
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  Speaker 5: I find it really hard to focus on two things
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  Speaker 5: at once. So like if I have a week with
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  Speaker 5: lots of escort bookings, then I find my only fans
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  Speaker 5: takes a massive dip. Or if I find I don't
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  Speaker 5: have many escort bookings one week, then I can focus
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  Speaker 5: my time on my only fans, and then that goes up,
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  Speaker 5: So it really depends week to week, but like it
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  Speaker 5: just depends on what I'm focusing on or what's like
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  Speaker 5: busier that week. But yeah, so some weeks it's more
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  Speaker 5: only fans. Like it really just depends so ebbs and
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  Speaker 5: flows depending on where you're focusing your energy pretty much. Yeah, yeah, cool,
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  Speaker 5: I find this so interesting. Tell me next, my friend,
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  Speaker 5: what is your big money goal? So settling their two
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  Speaker 5: investment properties. So we bought them eighteen months ago, but
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  Speaker 5: they have settled yet, So I'm just putting money towards
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  Speaker 5: like making sure I've got the twenty percent deposits on
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  Speaker 5: both of them.
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  Speaker 4: That's a long settlement period. Is it two properties in
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  Speaker 4: one purchase or is it two separate properties with just
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  Speaker 4: really long settlements.
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  Speaker 5: They're two separate properties. The settlement has just been delayed.
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  Speaker 5: They're like townhouses, so they'll settle. It's is that like
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  Speaker 5: called turnkey? I think maybe?
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  Speaker 4: So you're building yet, bip yep, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I put the five percent deposit down and
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  Speaker 5: then I don't pay anything until like I'm ready to
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  Speaker 5: have tenants move in basically, so yeah, it's a long time,
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  Speaker 5: but they've got to like settle the land and build
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That I was like, normally when you purchase settlements like
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  Speaker 4: thirty to ninety days and I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: eighteen months what happened. No, yeah, it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's off the plan basically, Yeah, yeah, airpic all right,
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  Speaker 4: next question, And I feel like the answer is yes,
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  Speaker 4: because you just told us about your properties. But do
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  Speaker 4: you have any investments? If so, what are they?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would include the two townhouses that I just
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  Speaker 5: told you. I've really been focusing on my SUPER the
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  Speaker 5: last two years because mostly being self employed throughout my life,
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  Speaker 5: I've definitely ignored that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a very common thing with people
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  Speaker 2: who are self employed to just completely forget their SUPER.
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  Speaker 2: But regardless of what type of job you do, it
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  Speaker 2: is a priority and a massive one totally.
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  Speaker 5: And like my dad would always like tell me, like,
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  Speaker 5: make sure you're putting money in your super, and I'm like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: And it was always a thing like yeah, when I've
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  Speaker 5: got more money, when I can afford it, I will
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  Speaker 5: start putting money into my SUPER. But I'm super glad
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  Speaker 5: that I've been able to sort of really focus on
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  Speaker 5: that and sort of get that up to sort of
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  Speaker 5: like an average I guess for my age. Finally it
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  Speaker 5: feels really good. I'm like, oh, I feel and I'd
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  Speaker 5: like to buy shares, but I'm really uneducated on them,
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  Speaker 5: so they're completely like worthless. Now. I've bought air Tasker
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  Speaker 5: shares when they first came out, and they were like
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  Speaker 5: a dollar thirty and now they're like like two cents.
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  Speaker 5: Oh really yeah, really shit?
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  Speaker 2: What made you purchase air Tasker shares? Like, what made
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  Speaker 2: you go? You know what? I'm going to get into
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  Speaker 2: the share market. This is my entry level share. Why
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  Speaker 2: air Tasker?
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  Speaker 5: I haven't got a clue to the honest I think
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  Speaker 5: I just like read probably on Reddit somewhere that they
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  Speaker 5: were like ipoing and at the time I was just
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  Speaker 5: like adhd super focusing on shares, and I was like, okay, great,
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  Speaker 5: this sounds like a good one.
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  Speaker 2: We've all been there, Like I shouldn't have been it
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast, But like I do super focus on
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  Speaker 2: particular shares, and I've made some really good decisions. But
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like Vitora, why are you even looking at this?
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  Speaker 2: Like that makes no sense. It does not align to
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  Speaker 2: your risk profile. But that is very exciting. The next
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  Speaker 2: question for you is do you have any debt? If so,
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  Speaker 2: how much and what for.
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  Speaker 5: I have tax debt. I had like a six month
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  Speaker 5: mental health holiday last year and it cost me a
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  Speaker 5: fortune and I wasn't putting any like tax aside at
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  Speaker 5: the time, So I have a bit of tax set.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like being self employed. I feel like so
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  Speaker 5: many people find themselves in tax stet like I definitely
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  Speaker 5: have on multiple occasions. I'm trying to be so much
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  Speaker 5: better with it. But yeah, I'm just a bit behind
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  Speaker 5: on tax at the moment. But yeah, just tax and
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  Speaker 5: my mortgage.
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  Speaker 2: I need to get you onto my bookkeeper, but we'll
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  Speaker 2: take that conversation offline, my friend. Next question is do
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  Speaker 2: you you shop back?
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  Speaker 5: No, I die, I'm too basic for that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not too basic. You downloaded Chrome to do this
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  Speaker 2: podcast interviews, So now all you need to do is
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  Speaker 2: get the shop back extension and then you're set to
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  Speaker 2: go because it's automatic. It's the best money when I've
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  Speaker 2: ever heard of.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll tell it it.
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  Speaker 2: Next question is what do you think is your best
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  Speaker 2: money Habit.
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  Speaker 5: Probably setting like really high goals, like when we put
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  Speaker 5: our deposit down on our block of land, we didn't
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  Speaker 5: have any money to our name, and like just being
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  Speaker 5: able to come up with a lot of money really quickly,
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  Speaker 5: You know, it is great.
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  Speaker 2: That's not too bad. Being able to make money is
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  Speaker 2: a good thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Probably my ability to make lots of money is
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  Speaker 5: my best money habit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a pretty good money habit. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like all of us want that. We want to
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  Speaker 2: be like we are able to make bank like Jesse,
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  Speaker 2: Is that not something you want to be able to
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  Speaker 2: say consistently? Ah, that's the definite dream. Yeah, exactly. So
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  Speaker 2: to flip that on its head, what's your worst money habit?
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  Speaker 5: Then budgeting one hundred percent? Like, I consider myself like
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  Speaker 5: a high income earner, and to someone who earns that
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  Speaker 5: much money, I'm always like having to brow money off
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  Speaker 5: my friends because I like, am just so bad with
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  Speaker 5: managing my money.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it sounds like you need our budgeting
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  Speaker 2: cashually masterclass.
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  Speaker 5: Stat I could probably deal with that.
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  Speaker 2: I will get you onto that next question, what grade
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  Speaker 2: would you give your money habits if we forced you
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  Speaker 2: to give yourself a grade A? Z?
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  Speaker 5: I said?
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  Speaker 2: Why is Z? I don't think we've ever had a
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  Speaker 2: Z on the podcast.
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  Speaker 5: I think the easy come, easygo of my money has
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  Speaker 5: like fostered really bad money habits for me. And I
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  Speaker 5: think the only reason I have gotten to where I'm
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  Speaker 5: in life is because I've had a high income for
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  Speaker 5: so long. But I'm like, I definitely haven't worked out
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  Speaker 5: I had a budget, I haven't worked out a save,
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  Speaker 5: I haven't worked anything out.
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  Speaker 2: So I do have to ask, what are you doing
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  Speaker 2: with that money?
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  Speaker 4: Then?
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  Speaker 2: Because if you're earning between five and ten thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: each and every single week, I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 2: calculated this, but that's between two hundred and sixty and
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  Speaker 2: five hundred and twenty thousand dollars each and every single year,
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  Speaker 2: my friend, what are you doing with that money?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Good question. I just spent a lot on an overseas holiday. Well,
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  Speaker 5: at the moment, I'm saving, Like I am saving quite
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  Speaker 5: aggressively to the point where like I can't eat, you know,
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  Speaker 5: on the last day before I get paid because I've
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  Speaker 5: saved too much money that week. Like that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm really bad with money, but like I do
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  Speaker 5: set pretty good goals like buying houses and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 5: and like putting heaps of money into my super the
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  Speaker 5: last two years and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're sad. I think we can do
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  Speaker 2: better than that. But I want to talk to you
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  Speaker 2: more in detail about your work and what you do
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  Speaker 2: and how much money you want. And also you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: ADHD before, but we'll do that after this really quick break.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we are back Money direst. You have what
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  Speaker 2: we would call a very colorful career, and the most
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  Speaker 2: exciting part of your career for me as a financial
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  Speaker 2: advisor is the part where you can scale your income
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  Speaker 2: based on just how much you want to work. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's one of those things where I look
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  Speaker 2: at a lot of freelancers and the same is true.
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  Speaker 2: But for you, you can go from earning five thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars a week turning ten thousand dollars a week turning
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  Speaker 2: double that depending on I guess how much time, energy
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  Speaker 2: and effort you just want to put into your work.
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  Speaker 2: And as you said before, you were like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty lazy. I just don't want to do that much.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just do one a day and basically work part time, which,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest, is the dream. How did you get
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  Speaker 2: to this point? Because I feel like the industry you
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  Speaker 2: work in. Sex work is very shrouded with people saying like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's not good. It's you know, something
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  Speaker 2: that you know you're never going to earn as much
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  Speaker 2: as you think you're going to earn, whereas you are
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  Speaker 2: literally showing everybody that that is not the case at all.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So the reason why I got into sex work
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  Speaker 5: is because I just wanted this lifestyle. Like I wanted
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  Speaker 5: lots of time in my day to do whatever I wanted.
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  Speaker 5: That was my whole motivation. I grew up like in
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: the outer suburbs, like in a really nice like area,
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: and that's all I wanted for myself. So like I
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: grew up in like a pretty sort of modest like
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: lifestyle and that's all I really like aspired to And
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: I was pretty happy and like being a mum, and
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: I was a single mum for a couple of years
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: as well. It's just really allowed me to like get ahead.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: I suppose, like I didn't have anything. I you know,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: I spent all my money traveling when I was younger,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: so when I had my oldest son, again, I had
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: no money. So it's just allowed me to sort of,
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: you know, get a couple of steps ahead and still
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: be there for my kids and have time to do
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: the things I want to do.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're living your own dream lifestyle would
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: be Would that be hitting the nail on the head?
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: I am, Yeah, it's not for everyone, but all right.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about your budget and your cash flow though,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Like why are you earning so much money and not
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: prioritizing putting this in place? You mentioned before, and it's
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: something that I've resonated with you, not because we've discussed
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: it before, but because I feel like I can pick
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a personality that's very similar to mine, and that is ADHD.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: You mentioned that sometimes you do deep dives on things
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: and get really hyper focused on one thing. How has
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: that impacted your ability to do budget and cash flow
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: and the work that you do?
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, it's definitely set a goal and like hyper focus
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: on the goal and that'll be the only thing I
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: think about for months on end. I recently did that
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: with like my trip to America, and I ignored everything
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: else in my life for a couple of months. I
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: had bills like overd and everything. I'm like, that's okay,
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: that can just wait. Yeah, Adhd is fun.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a dream I love having it not Yeah.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I've definitely found like for me, sex, work
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: and ADHD like two p's in a pod. You know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Like if you are like having a bad day or
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: a bad week, or like a whole bad period, you know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: like it's not the end of the world. You've normally
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: got like a bit of cash reserve to sort of
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: prop you up for a couple of weeks to just
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: get through whatever you're going through at the time. Yeah, although,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: like if you do have a goal, you can hyper
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: focus and just smash out lots of work and you know,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: pay for whatever you want.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: You said before that partially because of your ADHD. You know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: budgeting is definitely up there with what you would call
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: your worst habits. Has that gotten worse for you as
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: you've started earning more because we talk about a lot
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: on the show, you know, lifestyle creep, where in your
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: more money, you spend more money. Have you found that
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: now that you do have more disposable income that's kind
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: of aggravated your bad habits when it comes to budgeting
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: because you can kind of push your cash for Uh.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: No, actually, I'd say it's the opposite. The way I
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: earn money. So as a sex worker, a lot of
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: the money I earn is through cash, but if I'm
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: earning it online, it goes straight into my bank account,
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: and seeing the numbers in my bank account, I can
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: pay bills a lot easier. I don't know, it's a
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: lot better as I've gotten older and my income's changed
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: from cash income to like in my bank account income,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: because if it's in my bank account, I can just
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: log on and pay a bill, whereas when it's cash,
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: like I have to go to the bank and bank
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: it and do all that, and it's just that's like
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: just too many steps. You know. Yeah, I totally know
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: what you mean.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: It sounds a lot like everything that you've said through
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: your diary has been super positive. You have this really infectious,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: upbeat energy around you. I want to ask, because we
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: do try and show, you know, the shade and the light.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: What are some of the challenges that you found working
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: in the industry that you work in. How does it
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: go being a mom, juggling kids and then sex work.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: What challenges would you want people to know about before
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: they kind of look into jumping into this kind of
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: work themselves.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: It depends on what your networks are like you're possibly
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: gonna have falling out with family or friends, you know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: if you've got like another career, Like how could this
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: potentially affect your other career? Those sorts of things. Kids
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: as well, you have to consider, like what's going to happen,
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: you know, if their friends find out that sort of thing,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: and yeah, and I guess you just have to weigh up,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: like the chance to make money in the sex industry
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: does all the pros outweit the cons for me. So
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: for me definitely, because I don't really have any fallback on,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: anything else to fall back on, Like I started sex
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: work when I was eighteen, and this is like a
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: forever thing for me. This is what I want to do.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: But it's put me in like such a different financial
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: situation that I ever could have dreamt of. There's nothing
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: like that would stop me. There is a few other
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: bad things, the financial discrimination that we face as sex workers.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: So often sex workers will have their bank accounts closed down,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: it's really hard to get more. You can't have payment
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: processes on any of your websites. So those things are
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: really annoying and really tricky, and we don't fall under
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: any antidiscrimination acts.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: That actually blows my mind. It wasn't until a few
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: years ago that I was talking to clients and I
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, you should just use like Stripe,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: or you should just use some kind of platform like
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Square reader or something. Sure, you can plug that into
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: your website and you'll make your life so much easier.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And one of my clients was like, Victoria, do you
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: know we can't have that? And I was like watch,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: She's like I signed up for it and it got
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: canceled and then they took all the money that was
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in there, and I was like what, Like, I had
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: no idea that it was so hard. But it's a
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: legal career in Australia, Like, it is a job that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you are legally able to do. Do you know why
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: they're so discriminatory? Like that to me is insane.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: They see it as like a high risk industry, which
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I don't agree with, Like, yeah, I think they see
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: it as like potential for a high amount of chargebacks,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: but I don't know.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I actually don't know. Before I've reached out to a
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: platform before to get comment and have a chat and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: be like I'd love to understand this further, but I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: didn't hear back. So to me, it just sounds insane
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that you can't have the freedom to just process payments
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the way you would want to. And I think this
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: is a challenge that most people don't understand exists. It's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: also around getting home loans and getting mortgages and people
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: not respecting that as a genuine career, even though you'll go, well,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you know what, at the crux of it, I'm a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: sole trader. I earned this amount of money and I
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: can prove it for the last five financial years and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: my bookkeeping is clean, like it is really easy look
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: at it. And they'll still look at that and go, oh,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: but it's sex work, can you go? But it's real work,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Like I don't understand.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of the most like tricky things for
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: me as a sex worker to get my head around,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: because we do all these things, but at the end
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: of the day, like my bank account get me closed
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: down tomorrow, right, and so, like society has this huge
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: issue with sex workers paying tax is like okay, great,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: but to pay tax, I need to have a bank
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: account and paying takes for my business, like I want
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: to get something out of it, like a mortgage.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, like I genuinely want to contribute to this society.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I want to pay taxes, like, please let me do that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to scam the system. This is good
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: on a sex work.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Are there accountants that specialize in your industry? Do you
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: have an accountant that like knows all the ins and
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: outs and the challenges like the bank account thing that
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: sex workers have.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there is accountants that specialize in the industry. But again,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: like I don't. I think there's there's ways around it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: You've got to get like someone who can help you
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: with like a bro car and that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: and you yeah, you just have to get creative, which
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: is you know, that's so interesting.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I'd never thought about that being like a challenging part
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: of it because, like Victoria said it, so you go,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: it's a job.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: It is what it is.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Like people are doing the work, they're getting paid for it,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and that should kind of be the end of the conversation.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: And I get that, you know, it's not for everybody,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: but it's crazy to think that businesses can you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: make those choices that really impact your ability to operate
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: and there's no laws against that. I mean, if you're
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: not doing anything wrong, I don't see why they should
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: be able to just pull the plug on your bank account.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And I think it really contributes as well, and maybe
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you might agree with this. I feel like it contributes
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to the stigma because it stops you from legitimizing your
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: business in a way that means that you can talk
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: about it more openly or you know, share your structures
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: or share what's going on, or just go oh no,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: this is legit. This is how it's set up, this
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is how it is. Like people are like, oh, well,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you're not allowed to do that. Like that to me
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: just feels like it's a step in the wrong direction. Like, guys,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty two. We can do that if we
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: want to. Like, it's not as though this is outlawed
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: here in Australia. This is a genuine stream of employment,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: like you can pick it when you do your tax
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: return from the drop down menu. It's not something that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: isn't recognized. So I don't understand why platforms don't support you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And to be honest, I think it would create a
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: safer sex work environment if you were able to have
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that back up, right, Like if you were able to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: process payments through a third party platform, so if something
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't go right, you are protected in the same way
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I would be if I went and did a financial
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: advice meeting, Yeah, and saying with like income protection and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: like all the insurances in our superannuation absolutely not like
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I've checked emailed them and I've gotten confirmation like no,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: like sex work is not COVID, there is no way
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: it's not. So it's not. So I'm pretty sure you
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: can have life insurance. But TPD, trauma insurance, and income
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: protection are all quite cagey around sex work because they
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: just think it's too high of a risk industry for
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: them to cover. And I mean, from my point of view,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I can see where they're coming from, but I also
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: can't see where they're coming from because the things they say,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: like I'll talk to underwriters and I'll be like, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: don't understand, Like she's a sex worker, why won't you
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: cover her? Because I always going to bat for my clients,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: and even if I've had the conversation before, I want
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to be able to say no money direst I literally
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: called them again and they're still unwilling, but they'll say
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it's super high risk, Like the chance of STDs are
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: really high, And I'm like, have you ever met a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: sex worker? Like do you realize that the chance that
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: they have a STD is so much lower than the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: general population, Like I am higher risk, Like you don't
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: ask me how much I sleep around in my you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: income protection applications, But you'll jump to a conclusion about
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: a sex worker when in reality, I can guarantee you
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of the general public are being a lot
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: less safe. So I feel like it's just very counterintuitive
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and very driven by stereotypes, which is just blankantly unfair.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: It's so unfair. I'm so annoyed about it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I share your frustrations, but I want to
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: go back to something you said before, like, when you
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: chose this industry, you had to be aware of you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: maybe your family, your friends not accepting it, or you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: people judging you, or people from your chi school or
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: their friends finding out. How have you dealt with that?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Is that something that's really hard for you.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: As I've gotten older, No, But when I was younger, yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: it was hard because like I knew I was making
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: the best decision for me, you know, growing up as
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: someone with ADHC. It was so hard to focus in school.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: life's just going to be so hard for me. I
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: just know it. As soon as I found out about sex, like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this is my chance to like
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: live a normal life and be okay, Like I'm going
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: to be fine now thanks to sex work. And because
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I started so young, I didn't expect my friends to
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: really understand and they dropped me. And that was really hard,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Like it was quite isolating. You know, there's no hard feelings.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: We've actually all redconnected now. Oh I love that. Yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: that's nice. I told my family a few years later,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: and that all went down like really fine. My mum
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: was just like, oh I wish I did that when
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I before I met your dad.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: She's like, you child, you're really smart.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. So my family are pretty like liberal and
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: like very much like me, so you know, I was
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: expecting that to be fine. My husband comes from a
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: very very conservative family. So I think they just think
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: that I don't even have a job at the moment.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Is this really kept woman? You are a kept woman?
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I think they think I'm just really lazy and
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: don't do anything, let them, let them keep like I.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Also, but guys, guys, I'm still contributing to this family.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, it was hard when I was younger, but
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: now that I'm older and like, I've got thick skin
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: and I don't know, I don't really care what people
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: think of me either, So it's fun.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've obviously followed you and know your
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: journey and your story and know that you have two
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: kids and you have a loving husband. But I feel
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: like that's such a juxtaposition to what people think the
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: world of sex work is. Like, do you find that
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: this is pretty comm Like in the sex industry, lots
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: of people are married with kids, but they don't promote it,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: they don't talk about it, that's not part of their
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: online personas. Like is that something as you were growing
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: up you were like, oh my gosh, I don't know
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: if I will have a family and a husband because
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I've chosen this career path. Or you're always like, no,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: it's not going to matter.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was actually talking about that with a girlfriend yesterday. Yeah,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: that actually was part of, you know, the reasoning for
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: a lot of my life's choices. I thought i'd never
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: be loved and I would never find a partner, like
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I'm a sex worker, no one's ever going to accept
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: me and stuff like that. We're just talking about it yesterday.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: How like wild it is that you know, I've got this,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: you know, white picked fence, two and a half kids
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: lifestyle and I'm a sex circus. I've got my cake
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: and I'm eating it too, Like I've definitely got everything.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I genuinely feel like you do, especially because you said, oh,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: we just went on a family holiday to the US,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: like that was really big. How as a sex worker
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: did you travel to the US, because I know that's
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a massive hurdle for a lot of my clients.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so part of the ESTA requirements is you're not
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: allowed to have been involved in prostitution in the last
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: ten years. And obviously, like I am, so it's just
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: like a punt. Really, you just have to like go
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: there could be a chance you'll get in. There could
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: be a chance you'll get sent home at the border.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: I was fully prepared to go and be sent home
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: because I knew well and clear, like my face is
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: all over the internet, they could have dirt on me,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Like I could get sent home at the border. We
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: had like plans in place for what my husband and
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: kids would do if that was the case. It was
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: only like landing there. I was like, oh, I am
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: absolutely not prepared to get back on a plane and
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: go back to Paha.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I don't want this. I do not want this. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: came all this way to be sent home.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was fine I had. They didn't ask
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: me any questions. I had no troubles getting in, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: I'm really really grateful and really lucky for that because
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I know, like sex workers get sent back all the time,
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: so I don't think there's any rhymal reasons into like
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: getting in. It's just, yeah, you just have to like
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: play your cards, right, I guess, and actually go there
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: genuinely for a holiday. I think a lot of the
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: time girls get sent back because they're going to and
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: they're planning on working on a tourist visa. But if
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: you're genuinely going for a holiday and you've got evidence
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: of that, I think you should be okay. I mean,
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not an expert, so I'm not going to give travel.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely don't bank on it because I don't
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: even have a clue. I find it really sad honestly
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that you know, we talk about sex work at Cheese
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: on the Money so openly, and it's just another career
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that people in our community have and a job that
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: people do, and it doesn't matter here nor there to us,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and we just go, yeah, it's normal. But you start
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: having these conversations with people in the industry and you
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: realize how much discrimination still exists, Like the ability for
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you to go overseas is hindered, Like you can't be
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  Speaker 2: open and honest about your career while traveling Like that
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  Speaker 2: to me seems insane that if I was to go
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  Speaker 2: and put on my border entry pass to the US
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  Speaker 2: financial advisor, they look at me and be like, go home,
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  Speaker 2: So this isn't a place for you. I'd be horrified.
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  Speaker 2: But somehow we're not talking about the fact that all
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of our friends in the sex industry can't have payment
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: platforms and can't travel freely and can't generate income in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the same ways and get bank accounts shut down. Like
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  Speaker 2: this is an industry that if you're in, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to work really hard to stay in because they don't
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  Speaker 2: make it easy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and like these are things I've gotten so used to,
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  Speaker 5: Like I forget like how easy other people have it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, it would be so nice to get
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  Speaker 5: to America and not have anxiety about getting sent home
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  Speaker 5: and phone into an immigration prison.
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  Speaker 2: That risk would have stopped me from even going at all.
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  Speaker 2: I would have been like, absolutely not. I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: risk taker. I get anxious when a policeman drives past
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  Speaker 2: me in their car off duty. I'm like, oh my god,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: am I going to get arrested? I don't understand. In fact,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Jess and I were crossing the road the other day
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  Speaker 2: and they were you know in the CBD they do
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: their traffic control training and they're like stop traffic and
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: like you ignore the traffic lights. I was standing there
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  Speaker 2: like being like to Jess, can I cross and just
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I don't think so, you can't go yet.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I don't want to be arrested.
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  Speaker 2: And the girl just looked at me and she was like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get arrested. Don't worried. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, let me go to the shop, spy. But
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: it was one of those things where I feel like
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  Speaker 2: your career would be full of anxieties because you're just
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: trying to do the right thing and just make a
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  Speaker 2: career for yourself and look after your kids and look
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  Speaker 2: after your husband, and you know, have a life that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: you enjoy and you deserve to have because you've worked
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: so hard for it. Yeah, and there's so many things
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: just in everyday life where you have to like, you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: even just writing down your occupation details for like school
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: enrollments or daycare enrollments. I'm like, well, if I write
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the truth, are they going to what are they going
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to do? Like, and how are they gonna judge your kids?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Like I'm assuming it's not necessarily you anymore, because you
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: said before, I've got a thick skin, I don't really
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: care what you think of me. But are they going
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to treat your kids differently in school once they find
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: out mum's a sex worker?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So these are other things you have to consider.
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  Speaker 5: And I guess being in the industry for so long,
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  Speaker 5: like I've kind of forgotten like what it would be
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  Speaker 5: like to not live without all these weird anxieties and
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: stuff like that. But yeah, if you're considering getting into
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: sex workio, the money is great, but there is a
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: bit of a trade off sometimes and I feel like
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  Speaker 5: that's the same for every career, right, Like, in every
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: career trades time for money, and there's always some level
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  Speaker 5: of additional compromise, whether it is you know, your safety
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: or your security, or you know, working over time, or
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: you know, not being treated well or not earning enough
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: money and working too many hours. Like I feel like
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: there's compromise in every industry. It just breaks my heart
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: to think that yours has additional compromise when it's already
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: so hard. Money diarists, thank you for joining us, but
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  Speaker 5: unfortunately I think that's all we have time for today.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, no, thank you for sharing your story
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  Speaker 2: and your journey. I feel like I've learned a lot
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: but also had a pervy insight to what it's like
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: to be a sex worker who has a white picket
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: VM's two point five kids, gorgeous husband, and still goes
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  Speaker 2: out and makes absolute bank while still having a great lifestyle. Like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I just feel like you're living the dream, my friend.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, definitely my dream.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just do you want to wrap the boring but
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: important stuff? Absolutely don't forget guys.
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