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From Burnout to Purpose: Walt Thiessen on Self-Discovery, Mindset Shifts & Personal Growth · The FEEL Podcast: Women’s Empowerment, Emotional Wellness and Self-Leadership with Melissa Crook

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  Because when I first started exploring the topic on the show,
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  I, I didn't feel like I ever saw anything that was law of
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  attraction. Now I, I can't actually find
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  anything that isn't law of attraction.
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  My entire experience is law of attraction.
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  And, and I think the one thing that really did everybody has a
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  different thing about, you know how it is that they bought into
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  it. You know what, what piece of
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  evidence that came their way and so forth.
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  What came my way was the realization that if the universe
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  sends me something and I ignore it, it's going to send it to me
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  again, and it's going to keep sending it to me until I do
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  something with it. And this is going to be equally
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  true for stuff I don't want as it is for stuff that I do want.
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  Yeah. Well, there was an example of
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  something that pissed me off. Yeah.
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  But I turned it into a principle.
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  I call it the two by four principle because the universe,
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  you know, they, the universe comes along and whispers in your
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  ear. Here's the thing for you.
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  And you ignore the whisperer. And then it shouts a little bit
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  louder in your ear and you ignore the shout and it taps you
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  on the shoulder and you ignore the tap.
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  And then it pounds you on the shoulder.
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  You ignore the the pound and then it gets up to 2 by 4.
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  OK, you're going to get my attention.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  All right, I'm listening. I'm listening.
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  Got it. 10th time is a try. You get enough of those, you
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  pay. All right, This law of
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  attraction thing really is true then.
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  Because I mean, until I do something with it, it just keeps
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  coming. It's not.
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  And this is something Esther Hicks pointed out many times,
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  that the universe doesn't send things to you once.
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  It keeps sending you stuff. The same thing that you asked
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  for over and over again until you find some way to change that
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  vibration. Hello and welcome to the field
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  podcast. I'm Melissa Crook, your host.
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  I'm excited to be here today with a friend who I met by first
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  being a guest on his podcast and I got to meet with Walt and his
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  Co host that day. He has several Co host, but Jodi
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  Lynn Craven was there with him that day.
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  But but Walt's really the the brains behind this organization
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  and this this podcast and we're going to get to know him better
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  today because and you're all are like we don't hear a lot of men
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  on here. You're right, you, but the work
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  that Walt is doing and the message that he is spreading and
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  the book that he has about this is all going to make sense.
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  Like I always see what she wanted us to hear him because
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  this this message transcends all people and he has and honors a
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  lot of women's stories on these and he has several women that Co
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  host with him. So there's a very a theme here
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  that I just like. No, but it's I love what you're
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  doing. I really enjoyed getting to be
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  guest on your podcast. It's called LOA today, your
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  daily dose of happy. We'll have the link to it in our
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  show notes, but we're going to get to know Walt Thiessen today.
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  And he is the he's the one that kicked this whole thing off and
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  really, I think started these conversations before a lot of
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  people were doing that. I mean, I think the angle that
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  he's taken, that you've taken on this and, and, and it's there's
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  been several of us that have followed suit in our own way
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  since then. But if you look back for how
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  long you've been doing this, I think you're kind of one of the
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  first that thought about podcasts and conversations in
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  this way. So we're going to get to how we
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  got there. But he describes himself as
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  kind, curious, and in that curiosity leads him to really
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  wanting to gather perspectives. And that's really a North Star
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  value for Walt and this work he does today.
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  Walt Thiessen and Welcome to the Field podcast.
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  Thank you, Melissa. It's a pleasure to be here and
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  it's it's fun that we got to flip it because you were on my
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  podcast. No, I'm on yours.
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  This is good. I know it's a lot of fun to do
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  that. It's a lot of fun to trade
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  places and also make you think, oh, that's what it's like on the
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  other side. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Another perspective. There we go.
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  All right, we've already done that today.
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  I'm going to start with and with every guest and I think it's
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  really good to hear a guy's perspective on this because many
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  times we talked about this in context of women.
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  But talk to me about self-care in your life and what it has
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  meant to you, prioritizing you, taking care of you.
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  You have a lot of the kind of work you're doing.
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  I mean, you've, you've talked about in the past, you talk
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  about on your website how LOA by most of us, most of our, our
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  knowledge and standards is for law of attraction.
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  And that's definitely true in your work, but it's also a
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  living our abundance message that's very present in there as
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  well. And really getting rid of that
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  scarcity mindset and reminding us of what is available within
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  us when we remember how to tap into it.
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  Is this living our abundance theme?
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  Something that drives you in how you take care of yourself?
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  Well, yeah. Well, not only does it drive me,
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  it also is why I started the podcast in the first place.
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  OK. And OK.
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  I mean, literally the reason I started the podcast is I was not
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  living in abundance at that time.
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  I started in 2012. The 2008 financial crisis had
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  wiped my business out entirely. It also wiped I was married at
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  the time. My wife's business also got
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  wiped out, so we lost our entire income within a month, which was
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  terrifying. And then for the next 4 years I
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  attempted to rebuild it unsuccessfully.
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  Now I hadn't been really super successful before that, but it
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  was, you know, it was paying the bills.
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  It was oh sure. Oh, it was like trying to pull
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  teeth. Nothing seemed to work and I
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  didn't understand why. And we were going deeper into
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  debt. All the savings was gone.
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  I mean, it was absolute nightmare and kind of out of
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  desperation I say, well, I've heard about this law of
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  attraction stuff. I don't know if I really believe
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  in it. Sounds like a bunch of woo woo
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  airy fairy nonsense. But at this point I'm desperate.
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  I'll try anything. Absolutely, absolutely.
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  I'm curious enough I can get into this, get send it my way.
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  Something's got a land. Yeah, at the very worst, nothing
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  happens. That's the worst thing that
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  happens. I can live with.
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  That I've been having a lot of that lately.
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  I'm used to that. Not a big deal.
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  Oh my goodness. So.
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  And, and plus, at the time, now this is 2012, so podcasting
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  existed, but it hadn't really taken off yet.
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  And you didn't have the tools that we have today.
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  I mean, we're using Streamguard here.
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  Zoom hadn't come about yet. Most of these tools didn't
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  exist. I mean, if you wanted to record
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  a podcast in 2012, you had to be an IT person, which I was.
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  I had an IT. OK, I was.
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  That was my next question. I'm like the world.
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  Did you record? Well, literally what I did is I
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  found a piece of software, believe it or not, that enabled
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  me to tap my own phone line. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.
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  Wow. So I would call the person I
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  would do the show with, I'd say, OK, here we go.
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  And then I'd start recording on my tap line.
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  Oh my. Gosh, that's classic.
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  I love that so much so. I mean, I was really one of the
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  very first people to do interviews other than in the
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  same room together. Sure, because nobody really
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  figured out how do you do it. I mean, none of the tools that
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  we had existed. Even Skype at that point did not
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  give you the ability to record phone calls.
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  True. That's true.
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  I mean, it was like the desert when it came to trying to do a
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  podcast. So I was one of the first ones
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  to do it and it worked out very well.
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  I was able to bring on some really great guests, including
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  one who is still a Co host of mine.
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  He was my 12th interview. Oh.
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  My gosh. This day, we're still doing
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  shows together. His name is Joel Elson.
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  And actually, Joel and I talk about a lot how we use the show
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  for both of us to learn how this law of attraction thing works.
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  Yeah, no. And a couple 100 episodes later,
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  you're like what? Hey, I think we got this thing.
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  I think we get it. I.
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  Think we finally get it? So can you, can you explain Law
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  of attraction to people? Everyone's heard it.
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  I'm not sure everybody understands it.
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  There there are a lot of ways you can explain it.
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  I I find that particularly people who have a Christian
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  background, it's a very easy way to explain it.
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  OK, if you understand what sowing and reaping is, you
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  understand law of attraction. OK, now.
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  To be truthful, the way Christians and Christianity tend
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  to use the concept of sowing and reaping is much more narrow than
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  what law of attraction is. Yeah.
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  Yeah, but it's still the same idea.
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  It's the same concept. So that's the easiest way to to
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  kind of grasp what it's all about.
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  OK, OK, so interesting. Was there a specific thing that
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  drew you to this or did you just how did you bump into this kind
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  of thought? Like I'm going to dive into this
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  angle. Terror.
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  It's amazing. But you have these, you know,
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  because what you're talking about, and I appreciate you like
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  this is like you're trying to figure out how to reinvent
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  yourself at a time when you think you were going to be asked
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  to do that. And not only did it take out, it
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  took out both your businesses, your whole foundation
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  financially and how you expected to be able to provide for
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  yourself. So that really requires you to
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  go on a whole other journey with yourself that most of us, you
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  know, would rather not have to do.
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  It was the last thing I ever expected to have happen and, and
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  it was bad. I mean, we, I, I can't say this
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  100% for sure because I mean, you never really know what's
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  going to play out, but I think it was fair to say we were about
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  a month away from being homeless.
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  That's how bad it got. Wow.
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  Yeah, wow. So you started the podcast, You
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  learn, you learn about law of attraction and you realize, OK,
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  this is something we need to start talking about more.
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  Yeah, and learning about it and applying.
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  Oh my goodness. And living by it, yes, exactly.
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  And living by it. So I can see how that so that
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  really became a core driver. What did, what did you think?
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  And you've been doing this for a while now.
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  I mean, if we're talking 1314 years, probably 1414.
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  Is there a, a key principle or principles like a top three that
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  have really stuck with you? Or do you find you're continuing
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  to just evolve and learn to grow?
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  You hear two or three and then you're like, oh, wait a minute.
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  But I learned something else from this person today.
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  Oh, continuously. I mean, if I go through a day
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  without learning something, I'm in shock.
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  Right. I mean.
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  That that'd be honest truth, you know, if I'm not learning
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  something new, I I just didn't do enough, that's all.
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  I mean, I didn't expose myself to enough.
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  Yeah, yeah. Didn't ask enough questions.
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  Yeah, absolutely. As you, as you've did this and
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  grown into this, you have to make decisions about who's a
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  good fit. You have to make a decision not
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  only as a Co host but a guest and how long and all these
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  things and evolving and how much of your time you're going to
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  give to it. Because any good thing can
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  become a bad thing if we don't know where to set some
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  parameters and some healthy boundaries around that.
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  What have you learned in time about doing this and putting up
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  these shows and and making decisions about who, what and
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  who to say yes and no to? Yeah, that was actually one of
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  the first things that I learned about how the law of attraction
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  works. Yeah.
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  Was trying to to not only apply it, I wasn't necessarily
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  consciously trying to apply the law of attraction, but in
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  essence, it's what I was doing. I just wasn't doing it really
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  consciously. And one of the key things that I
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  learned along the way that it took me a while to really notice
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  it and to pay close attention to it.
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  But I meant you mentioned it earlier in when you were very
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  kindly introducing me perspective.
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  You interview enough people and you know what this is like
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  because you've interviewed people.
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  You know, if you interview enough people, you're going to
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  meet a lot of people, many of whom you have a similar
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  perspective with because they're on your show for the same reason
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  that you are. You have commonality there, but
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  you're also going to meet some people you disagree with.
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  And and it's actually one of my favorite things to point out.
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  I get pissed off by people I disagree with, but they're the
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  best thing that ever happened to me.
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  I so relate to this. I so relate to this.
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  Oh my gosh, Say more, say more. Well, just because when you're
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  in agreement with somebody, I mean, you're in agreement.
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  So it's like it's a love fest. You know, I know exactly what
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  you're talking about. I get it.
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  Yeah, I was there too. I mean, you don't even have to
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  think about that one. But then you get somebody who
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  comes along and and says something that you think is
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  absolutely bats and you're doing it live and you're doing it for
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  posterity. And you're, you know, like I
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  you, you very kindly said, I try to be kind toward people.
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  That's one of the things that I learned while doing all this.
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  It's important to be kind. So you're trying to be kind to
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  somebody that you really think is full of crap, and in the
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  process of doing that, you have to kind of listen more.
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  That's really the only way you can get through something like
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  that. You know.
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  Put up a shield and, and just, you know, throw a bunch of of
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  banalities at them that that's, that's the only other way to do
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  it. And I mean, you interest doing
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  that really fast. Anybody could lose interest
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  doing that. So if you want to keep doing it,
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  because I love it. I love doing the show, you know,
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  so if you want to keep doing it, you have to listen.
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  And when you listen, you know, like 9 out of 10 comments, you
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  you're saying to yourself, yeah, well, that's a bunch of crap.
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  Yeah, I would never do that. Anyone who does that is nuts.
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  And then they throw the 10th one at you like, oh shoot, I never
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  thought of that. Yeah.
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  Why did I never think of that? I should.
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  I'm a smart guy. I should have known that, but I
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  didn't know that. Yeah, I'd love that.
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  I'd like the way you've taken this because I think sometimes
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  it's real easy because I've had, I mean, I bring people from all
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  different backgrounds and spaces.
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  And so I've had those times where it's like they've said
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  something that isn't necessarily in alignment with how I see
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  something, but it's still it what it does, it creates nuance
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  in the conversation because you're able to get to the fact
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  that multiple things can be true for different people.
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  And, and who am I? Even if I think it's absolutely
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  off the rocker crazy, who am I to tell them their experience
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  isn't their experience, you know, I mean, and so it's so
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  it's one of those things that's like, I don't get it.
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  But it's not, you mean, you know, but it's mine.
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  And also this is just another reminder of the nuance that's
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  available. And I think we need to be really
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  careful with boundaries that we don't put up walls and we don't
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  wall out the possibility of learning and listening to other
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  people's stories, people that come from different backgrounds
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  than we do, people that have something to offer us that we
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  wouldn't run into otherwise. That drives curiosity rather
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  than judgement. And I think that's been
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  something that I've really learned through this process as
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  well. And I've learned it really in
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  the beginning of my healing journey.
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  But, and I talked with you and Jody Lynn about this, like
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  curiosity versus judgement is such a huge component of that.
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  And, and it's no surprise to me that curiosity is one of the
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  your, you know, the ways you describe yourself because it
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  goes so succinctly with this. That's just what happens though.
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  When you do listen to somebody that you disagree with.
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  You develop curiosity whether you want to or not.
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  It's really you're when you're listening to somebody who you
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  disagree with, you're looking for where can I agree with them?
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  There's got to be somewhere, somewhere along in here.
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  There's got to be 1. And and that's where the
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  curiosity comes in because you say, well, where is it?
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  I wonder where it is. And then as you find it, a
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  couple things happen. Well, first you find it, which
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  is like, Oh yeah, thank goodness we found something we could
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  agree on. There's a through line here.
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  It's like, oh, relief, good stuff.
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  But then the second thing that happens is you get exposed to
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  something you've never really thought about before and it
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  changes something in you. Some of the best things that
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  have helped happen to me have come that way.
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  And, and one example that comes to my mind is actually a very
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  good friend of mine. His name is David Strickle.
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  He's, I don't know if you're familiar with Abraham Hicks.
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  Yeah, Abraham. Channel Abraham, right?
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  Well, he channels the stream. It's the same kind of a deal.
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  Yeah. And I've had him on the show
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  many times and I've had him channeling the stream, which by
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  the way, is a lot of fun. I get to.
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  I got to play Jerry Hicks. It was.
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  I love it. But putting that aside for a
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  moment, there were a number of times where I got challenged by
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  what, you know, the stream was telling me.
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  And one of the things the stream said to me one time was that the
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  best thing that happens to us is when we encounter some thing, it
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  didn't necessarily say someone, some experience from situation
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  that we don't like. And we recognize that there's
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  some value in it. And that in the value we find a
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  way to appreciate it. And that one stuck with me.
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  It like got into my like, wait a minute.
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  That doesn't make any sense to me.
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  It took me a long time to work through that.
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  But when I finally worked through it, that actually did
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  more for me in terms of becoming more kind than anything else
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  that I can think, because I learned how I don't have to like
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  it. I don't have to like something.
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  I disagree. With right?
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  But I can learn to appreciate it.
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  Yeah, and we don't have to personalize everything.
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  And that's right, you know, and I think that comes into it too.
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  But yeah, I love that. Thank you for sharing that.
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  I think that's so interesting. I talk a lot about mental,
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  emotional, physical and spiritual health on here, that
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  they're all connected. I think the law of attraction
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  and how you apply that in your life is really connected to this
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  area. These all these things that we
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  feed ourselves, all these things that we stuff that we don't
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  process, that we welcome in, you know, all this plays a role in,
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  in how we experience it. And if we stop too many things,
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  we, it starts manifesting itself physically.
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  And also if we enjoy things, we can, it can manifest itself in a
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  joyful way too. Talk to me about how you've seen
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  that weave through your your life and the people you've
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  talked to in all the different health aspects.
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  There, It's funny that you bring that up because when I first
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  started exploring the topic on the show, I, I didn't feel like
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  I ever saw anything that was law of attraction.
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  Now I can't actually find anything that isn't law of
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  attraction. My entire experience is law of
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  attraction. And I think the one thing that
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  really did everybody has a different thing about how it is
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  that they bought into it. You know what, what piece of
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  evidence that came their way and so forth.
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  What came my way was the realization that if the universe
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  sends me something and I ignore it, it's going to send it to me
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  again and it's going to keep sending it to me until I do
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  something with it. And this is going to be equally
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  true for stuff I don't want as it is for stuff that I do want.
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  Yeah. Well, there was an example of
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  something that pissed me off. Yeah.
• 19:07
  But I turned it into a principle.
• 19:08
  I call it the two by four principle because the universe,
• 19:12
  universe comes along, whispers in your ear.
• 19:14
  Here's the thing for you. And you ignore the whisper and
• 19:16
  then it shouts a little bit louder in your ear and you
• 19:18
  ignore the shot and it taps you on the shoulder and you ignore
• 19:20
  the tap. And then it pounds you on the
• 19:22
  shoulder. You ignore the pound and then it
• 19:24
  gets up to 2 by 4. Okay, you're get my attention.
• 19:27
  OK, yeah, all right, I'm listening.
• 19:28
  I'm listening. Got it. 10th time is a try.
• 19:33
  You get enough with those you pay.
• 19:34
  All right? This law of attraction thing
• 19:36
  really is true then. Because I mean, until I do
• 19:38
  something with it, it just keeps coming.
• 19:40
  It's not. And this is something Esther
• 19:41
  Hicks pointed out many times, that the universe doesn't send
• 19:45
  things to you once. It keeps sending you stuff.
• 19:50
  The same thing that you asked for over and over again until
• 19:52
  you find some way to change that vibration.
• 19:54
  Yeah. And move that.
• 19:56
  Yeah, I mean, I can I think about my journey and how many
• 20:00
  different signals I was getting that something was off kilter,
• 20:04
  you know, and and it's like when I it but it took like a
• 20:08
  landslide to finally be like we've been here hanging out with
• 20:13
  you for quite a while now. So yeah, I think it's so true.
• 20:16
  But then I love that point too of.
• 20:19
  Life is bumpy and it and so the ability to be able to, and we'll
• 20:25
  talk about this more in a minute when we get into the layers, but
• 20:28
  the ability to see those experiences as part of life.
• 20:31
  I get a choice in how I respond to this.
• 20:34
  I get a choice in what I, I don't always get a choice in
• 20:37
  what happens to me, but I get a chance on where I'm going to
• 20:40
  what I'm going to do with it and how if I'm going to stay stuck,
• 20:44
  if I'm going to move forward, if I'm going to learn and, and not
• 20:48
  catch myself in this situation again, if I played a role that
• 20:51
  way. I mean, there's so many ways to
• 20:53
  approach it and we get to you know, I might the principles
• 20:56
  that I really live by are you are worthy.
• 20:58
  You are valuable people and you get to choose and I think I
• 21:02
  think it's just important that we get to choose and when we can
• 21:05
  remember those things, it allows us to what my next talking point
• 21:10
  is is showing up unapologetic lien.
• 21:13
  I don't mean like I don't like I am Melissa hear me were I mean
• 21:17
  like owning my whole self who I am today, meeting myself where
• 21:22
  I'm at, loving myself well, honoring myself and then in turn
• 21:26
  looking for opportunities to honor others and lift them up
• 21:30
  and see how I can show up and support them.
• 21:32
  This really feels like again, another thing that you are
• 21:36
  doing. You embraced this opportunity.
• 21:39
  You had a slugfest coming out of 2008, but you kept taking a step
• 21:45
  forward each day and you really, and you continue to evolve and
• 21:50
  grow into this all the time, but you really embraced it and
• 21:52
  became this whole new chapter that you as much as we, you
• 21:57
  know, no one ever wants to have all of their businesses lost.
• 22:01
  No one wants to go through what happened in the 2008 crisis
• 22:04
  again. And also, would you have ever
• 22:06
  gotten there had to where you are with Law of Attraction and
• 22:09
  this work that you've been porting what you've been doing
• 22:12
  for 13 plus years now if that hadn't happened?
• 22:15
  Well, that's one of those really difficult things to come to
• 22:18
  grips with. And I'm honestly, I'm just now
• 22:20
  getting to the point where I can finally say it.
• 22:21
  But my friend Joel, for instance, has said it pretty
• 22:24
  much at the beginning because he, as bad as my story was, he
• 22:28
  was a gambling addict who stole from his family's business, went
• 22:30
  to Las Vegas, lost all the money, ended up living on the
• 22:33
  streets and eating out of a dumpster.
• 22:34
  I mean this, this is like way worse than what I went through.
• 22:38
  It's like a Netflix movie. It is.
• 22:40
  Oh, yeah. I mean, it was so bad that
• 22:42
  actually you wouldn't believe it if we'd done.
• 22:43
  That. It would just.
• 22:45
  It would have no credibility because no.
• 22:46
  No, what happened not happened. But it actually did happen to
• 22:50
  him, and he to this day points to that saying.
• 22:53
  I never wanted to go through it again, but it was absolutely the
• 22:55
  best thing that ever happened and that was glad it happened in
• 22:57
  my life. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:59
  And I and, and I've asked other, I think I asked you too, but
• 23:02
  I've asked almost every guest on the show the same question about
• 23:05
  that very thing. Do you, you went through a crash
• 23:08
  and burn. Do you regret it?
• 23:10
  Do you value every single one 100%?
• 23:13
  I have not yet had an exception. Hundreds and hundreds of
• 23:15
  interviews. They all agree they want to keep
• 23:18
  it. They don't want to go through it
• 23:20
  again. Right.
• 23:21
  But it's the best thing that ever happened.
• 23:22
  Yeah. It just it gets you on a path in
• 23:24
  a trajectory and I think that really allows you when you can
• 23:28
  be accept that and get comfortable with that and know
• 23:32
  that your value doesn't ebb and flow.
• 23:35
  Also based on the things happen to you, you are no less valuable
• 23:38
  be when you lost financially, lost everything.
• 23:43
  It just was a a narrative shift. But when your identity is
• 23:46
  wrapped up in these things, that's when you yeah, often
• 23:50
  often is. Then you really got to like, OK,
• 23:53
  who am I and how do I get, you know, how do I learn to accept
• 23:58
  this person? But then again, it goes back to
• 24:00
  what I think too. It makes you so much more
• 24:03
  curious and accepting of other people's stories because when
• 24:06
  these things happen to us that we just think, oh, there, that
• 24:10
  wasn't in the, you know, the 20 year plan.
• 24:12
  You know, when you you know, it wasn't, you know, when you came
• 24:15
  out of what, you know, high school, graduation, college, the
• 24:18
  military, trade school, whatever it was, your journey was and you
• 24:21
  went down this road, nowhere on the plot, you know, on the map
• 24:25
  was this, this lots of everything.
• 24:28
  And so and for me, nowhere on the map was that, you know, the
• 24:32
  health crash in burn I had I but it's completely changed the
• 24:37
  trajectory of my life in a way that I can't fathom not existing
• 24:43
  in. So yeah.
• 24:43
  But it's, I think it's that curiosity piece and that
• 24:47
  willingness to accept all the nuances that come with life.
• 24:52
  And then but yeah, but then you, you get it.
• 24:55
  There's a humility that goes with it, too.
• 24:56
  I'm like, oh, oh God, yeah, this can happen to.
• 24:59
  Me. That's actually an
• 25:00
  understatement. Yeah, humility.
• 25:02
  It's like, Oh my God, I am humble.
• 25:04
  It's that level of. Humility.
• 25:05
  Yeah, yeah. But when you were forced to that
• 25:08
  level of humility, again, I think it it makes you more
• 25:11
  compassionate. It, it makes you kinder and more
• 25:15
  open and willing. Better listener, a better
• 25:17
  receiver of stories. Which really set the table for
• 25:21
  the diverse amount of people that you talk to on a regular
• 25:25
  basis. Absolutely.
• 25:27
  And in fact, you know, for listeners who are seeing my
• 25:29
  background, that's a shot from the Webb telescope taken beyond
• 25:34
  the moon of the Galaxy, of the universe, really.
• 25:37
  And that's why I keep it behind me.
• 25:39
  That's my way of saying that the universe has my back because
• 25:42
  back then I didn't believe that the universe had my back.
• 25:45
  I thought the universe was just this thing that was out there
• 25:48
  and that really had nothing to do with me, and I felt very
• 25:53
  disconnected from the whole thing.
• 25:54
  So I keep that background there to remind me, Nope, the universe
• 25:57
  really does have my back. Yeah, for the exact reason
• 26:01
  you're talking about. Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:04
  All right, your why in your values and how they inform you
• 26:08
  continuing to do this work. You've been at this for a while
• 26:11
  now and you can you've seen so many seasons of it.
• 26:14
  I mean, the evolution that you've seen.
• 26:16
  I feel like you could do one of those timeline maps with, you
• 26:20
  know, from you and your phone to to now.
• 26:24
  But there's also to do this kind of work and to show up for these
• 26:26
  conversations every day. There's a definite you know why
• 26:30
  that informs and a set of values that inform that.
• 26:33
  Talk to me about how those inform you continuing to do
• 26:36
  these work and having these important conversations.
• 26:39
  Well, honestly too, Law of Attraction.
• 26:41
  It's not something that you have to spend years and years talking
• 26:44
  about. We covered it in the first
• 26:45
  couple of hard episodes. We were.
• 26:48
  Probably over covering it, you know, but I've done almost 22
• 26:51
  hard episodes. So after those first two hard, I
• 26:54
  had to figure out, well, now what?
• 26:57
  Because I discovered something I didn't expect.
• 26:59
  I love doing this. I never thought, I thought this
• 27:03
  is just for healing and getting better and improving economy and
• 27:06
  you know, basically lifting up our family and all that kind of
• 27:10
  stuff. I didn't expect that this is
• 27:12
  going to be an energy boost form.
• 27:13
  I didn't expect that. This is something that I was
• 27:15
  like looking forward to every single time that I did a show.
• 27:19
  I didn't expect that. Four or five years into it's
• 27:21
  about the 5th year. Once a week wasn't good enough
• 27:24
  for me. I was doing it once a week up
• 27:25
  until that point. I started doing it daily for
• 27:28
  about a year and a half. I did it daily, twice a day.
• 27:31
  Oh. My gosh.
• 27:33
  Yeah, I had two shows a day, in the morning and in the evening.
• 27:36
  I mean, because I was just, I was getting so much out of it.
• 27:39
  I was getting so much guarantee out of it.
• 27:40
  And I was sharing so much with listeners as well, so I had to
• 27:44
  find a way to expand it. And then I realized, well, the
• 27:47
  law of attraction touches us in every area of life.
• 27:49
  So rather than just making it about law of attraction, let's
• 27:51
  make it about life. And that's what you daily.
• 27:55
  Doesn't happen. I love that.
• 27:56
  That's so good. Thank you so much for sharing
• 27:58
  that. Living out of our own
• 28:00
  expectations versus others. I think you have blown that out
• 28:03
  of the water. You are definitely one.
• 28:06
  But you did because you were forced into it.
• 28:09
  So kind of. Yeah.
• 28:10
  You know, so talk to me about that kind of evolution of like,
• 28:13
  like, oh, because so many of us, I mean, we do all the things.
• 28:17
  We, we get the job, we buy the house, we find the partner, you
• 28:21
  know, and life is going to be grand.
• 28:23
  But again, life doesn't tell you that there's going to be all
• 28:26
  these, you know, you're going to everything's going to crash and
• 28:28
  burn in 2008. You're going to have your whole
• 28:30
  life's going to be, you know, dugout in front of you.
• 28:32
  And so all these things that you've done to match this
• 28:35
  expectation that culture has set out, you're all of a sudden back
• 28:39
  to square 1. And in some ways it's like, OK,
• 28:41
  what do I want? How do I, how do I, you know,
• 28:44
  now that we're here, would you say that's definitely a question
• 28:47
  that came up for you? Oh, big time.
• 28:50
  Because one of the things that well, first of all, I I
• 28:54
  discovered law attraction the way many people did through the
• 28:56
  movie The Secret. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:59
  So that that was my first introduction, which is it's
• 29:01
  very, it's it's sort of a surface level introduction.
• 29:04
  It doesn't go into in depth, just kind of covers the whole
• 29:07
  thing, just, you know, touching all the bases.
• 29:09
  But it wasn't until a few years afterward that I even learned
• 29:13
  that the the secret actually came out of, of Rhonda Burns
• 29:19
  connection to Esther Hicks, because Rhonda would go to the,
• 29:22
  to the Abraham Hicks workshops and and she actually recorded
• 29:27
  most of the movie on a cruise. I think it was an Alaska cruise
• 29:31
  that now the, the, the Abraham Hicks, you know, neighborhood of
• 29:38
  activities. And, and So what I heard about
• 29:41
  Abraham Hicks, I, I obviously dove into that and that stuff.
• 29:46
  And that's where, that's where a lot of the gaps were filled in
• 29:48
  for me. That's where I really began to
• 29:50
  understand it in a way that I hadn't understood before.
• 29:54
  In the process of doing that, though, what I found was that I
• 29:59
  wasn't it, It wasn't like I was deliberately trying to, you
• 30:04
  know, carry out my next plan. Well, in, in a sense, I was, I
• 30:08
  mean, I was a continent planner. I, I, I was the kind of person
• 30:11
  who could over plan. That was one of the reasons I
• 30:12
  crashed and burned, because I could plan something to death.
• 30:15
  I could plan and plan and plan and plan and never take a step.
• 30:18
  I. Was.
• 30:19
  Really, really good at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:22
  It's one thing different plan on there.
• 30:25
  It's another thing to. It's one thing to have the plan.
• 30:27
  It's another thing to execute the plan.
• 30:29
  Oh, yeah, yeah. And my friend Jewel would
• 30:31
  constantly beyond me about that, like, OK, so when are you going
• 30:33
  to take this step? It was that kind of a thing.
• 30:36
  So. So I was dealing with that and I
• 30:37
  was learning from that every step along the way.
• 30:40
  But beyond that, I was I was going through a series of
• 30:45
  learning places where I wasn't really trying to do anything
• 30:51
  particular. I was just trying to find my
• 30:54
  way. So I mean, you make it sound
• 30:56
  like I had this beautiful plan that I was following and it
• 30:59
  wasn't like that at all. It was like, what can I do to
• 31:02
  survive today? How can I get through the fact
• 31:06
  that we still are huge amount of money in debt and there's still
• 31:10
  not a whole lot coming in is more than there was last year.
• 31:13
  But it's not exactly it's not like we went from proper to
• 31:15
  millionaire. That's not the way it worked,
• 31:18
  you know, So you have to kind of work through all that you have.
• 31:22
  And as you're working through it, only after you look back on
• 31:25
  it do you realize, oh, there, there kind of was sort of a plan
• 31:28
  to it, but it wasn't the one that I had.
• 31:30
  Right. So yes, that too.
• 31:33
  I thank you for explaining that. I'm talking about that because I
• 31:35
  think it's real easy for us to look at the surface level and
• 31:39
  longevity of somebody like you with this and, and, and create a
• 31:43
  story in our heads. And it's another thing to hear
• 31:46
  the truth of it. And the truth of it was it was
• 31:48
  hard and it was hard fought and it made you question yourself on
• 31:53
  regular basis. And, you know, am I on the right
• 31:56
  track? You know, I, this is really
• 31:59
  filling me and it's honor me. And also is it, you know, is
• 32:02
  this the the thing that's going to be to stay with me?
• 32:05
  Is this sustainable? Is this going to provide?
• 32:08
  I mean, there's so many different questions that you
• 32:11
  everyday. I mean, I will tell you I'm
• 32:13
  doing I've been doing this work for close.
• 32:16
  It'll be 4 1/2 years and a couple of months and it started
• 32:19
  with the podcast and has grown into these other areas.
• 32:21
  But I mean, it's having a crisis of am I, you know, is this the
• 32:26
  right path? Last night, you know, in bed in
• 32:28
  the middle of the night when I was awake and thinking about all
• 32:31
  these things. And then you kind of you come,
• 32:33
  you get up the next day and you have one of these conversations
• 32:36
  and you ask yourself a few you of the key questions you ask
• 32:40
  yourself each day and you remind yourself why you're there.
• 32:43
  But it's not without a lot of of this.
• 32:46
  So thank you for sharing that part of that because I think
• 32:48
  it's really important for people to understand the kind of just
• 32:54
  the belief in yourself, the belief in alignment and that you
• 32:58
  will continue to follow and trust that path even when it's
• 33:02
  terrifying. It doesn't necessarily make
• 33:05
  sense. And it's even when when you're
• 33:07
  not really sure what it is that you want because you because you
• 33:09
  outlined it the way. It's not like I knew what I
• 33:11
  wanted. I really didn't know what I
• 33:13
  want. I mean.
• 33:14
  I have an IT background. Yeah.
• 33:17
  I'm really good at IT. Do I love IT?
• 33:20
  Not really. Yeah.
• 33:22
  I I mean, I was one of those people who back in the early
• 33:25
  1980s, I was able to pick up a computer and make total sense
• 33:28
  out of it. Most people were terrified of
• 33:29
  it. For me, it was like, well, this
• 33:31
  is logical. I get all this, but what's the
• 33:32
  big deal? Everybody else is like, I'm
• 33:34
  going to blow something up if I hit the wrong key.
• 33:36
  That was literally a common feeling at that.
• 33:37
  Time, I'm sure. You know, so for me it was an
• 33:41
  easy career to go into, but I didn't have any real love.
• 33:44
  For it. In fact, to be honest, I, I have
• 33:48
  acquired a love for it in the last couple years that I never
• 33:51
  had before because I actually walked away from it in most
• 33:53
  ways. I mean, I, I, the business I was
• 33:57
  in at the time of the crash, I was providing web services to
• 34:02
  very small, local nonprofit organizations around the
• 34:05
  country, OK? Which is why my business got
• 34:07
  wiped out, because when you have a financial crisis, they lose
• 34:09
  all their funding, so they all disappear.
• 34:11
  First ones to go, yeah, so. My clientele disappeared.
• 34:14
  Poof. Wow.
• 34:16
  Which is terrifying. Yeah.
• 34:19
  You said something though, I think it's important and I talk
• 34:22
  about this a lot as well as just because you're good at something
• 34:25
  doesn't mean it's supposed to be your thing forever.
• 34:28
  And how you're doing that thing if it's not in alignment with
• 34:33
  other things that you care about or have a passion for.
• 34:36
  I mean, I mean, you found this, this love for IT, it's come in
• 34:40
  really handy, I'm sure as as our technologies continue to improve
• 34:44
  and grow and develop in the podcasting world.
• 34:48
  So to be able to come back to it and have a relationship with it
• 34:52
  in an area and an arena that you are passionate about, that you
• 34:56
  do care about, it changes the narrative.
• 34:58
  That thing that you're good at as well, but thinks too many
• 35:01
  times we are like, oh, I'm good at it, so that's must be what
• 35:05
  I'm supposed to do. Well, maybe in some areas of
• 35:07
  your life, but that doesn't mean you hang every hat onto it and
• 35:12
  never try anything else and just keep doing it when you've got
• 35:16
  this angst that there's something more.
• 35:18
  And actually, I was so burned out on it, I walked away from
• 35:22
  technology for the most part. Now in the era we walk in, you
• 35:26
  can't totally walk away from it. It's not really possible to do.
• 35:29
  But I walked away to the degree that someone who's not an IT
• 35:32
  person, you know, would be normally living, you know, I
• 35:35
  couldn't get away with it from the fact that, you know, my, my
• 35:38
  ex-wife or my sister or, you know, other people in my life
• 35:40
  would say, Hey, I got an IT problem.
• 35:42
  Can you help me with my phone isn't working properly?
• 35:44
  You know, I so I would deal with that kind of stuff.
• 35:46
  But for the most part, I walked away from it because I just
• 35:48
  didn't have a passion. And that was one of my earliest
• 35:50
  issues. What is my passion?
• 35:53
  And I didn't know what the answer was.
• 35:55
  I and I was panicking over this because that was one of the
• 35:57
  things that that I brought up. Esther Hicks.
• 36:00
  Esther Hicks voicing Abraham said, you know, follow your
• 36:02
  passion. And I said, I don't know what it
• 36:04
  is. How am I supposed to, you know,
• 36:05
  attract what I want into my life if I don't know what my passion
• 36:07
  is? So literally, the podcast was a
• 36:11
  major path, not the only one, but a major path for discovering
• 36:16
  what my passion was. And it turned out one of my
• 36:19
  passions was doing the podcast. I didn't really expect that to
• 36:22
  be a passion, but it turned out to be a passion.
• 36:24
  And here's another piece that goes along with it.
• 36:26
  Just because I found a passion doesn't mean it was an income
• 36:29
  stream, because the podcast is not an income stream for me.
• 36:32
  The podcast is an energy stream, one that I can't live without,
• 36:39
  but it's not an income. Stream, yeah.
• 36:41
  So I had to develop other income streams that were not IT based
• 36:44
  and that were not Law of attraction LOA today.
• 36:47
  Yeah, yes. No, I relate to that
• 36:49
  wholeheartedly. I have a whole set of services
• 36:51
  that I provide that aren't connected to the podcast that I
• 36:55
  do that I do am able to charge money for.
• 36:58
  But yeah, I relate to that also that the power of having that
• 37:01
  thing that fills you up, there's many ways we can be profitable.
• 37:06
  And if we are not profitable in the area of finding those
• 37:10
  activities and and creative paths that fill us up, then
• 37:17
  we're going to limit our profitability across the board.
• 37:20
  Oh yeah, absolutely true. Yeah.
• 37:23
  So that's again where the curiosity becomes helpful.
• 37:26
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, for the longest time my
• 37:32
  major business has been running a gardening service, which is
• 37:35
  kind of odd because I'm not a gardener.
• 37:37
  I I actually don't enjoy gardening at all but it was a
• 37:43
  business that my ex-wife started and the last few years of our
• 37:47
  relationship she got sick. And so the last few years I was
• 37:49
  running the business for her and then when we split she surprised
• 37:51
  me by saying she wanted to close the business.
• 37:53
  So I said well I'll buy you out. So I bought her out and now
• 37:56
  oddly, she works for me. Which is an entirely different
• 37:58
  thing, but the point is, I'm the one.
• 38:00
  That broadcast of its out. I mean, I couldn't predicted
• 38:04
  that one in a million years. Oh my gosh.
• 38:07
  Wow. I mean, we're get along well
• 38:09
  enough so we can do that. But nevertheless, it's an odd
• 38:12
  situation. But the point is I ended up
• 38:15
  running a business and I'm good at running businesses.
• 38:17
  So that for me was the even part, you know, in fact, I was
• 38:22
  able to do something she was not able to do.
• 38:24
  One of the reasons she got sick, not the only one, was she did
• 38:27
  what most people do when they are trying to run a business for
• 38:29
  the first time. She tried to wear all the hats
• 38:31
  which will kill you, and it almost killed her, to be
• 38:34
  perfectly honest. That's one of the reasons I
• 38:37
  ended up taking over when she got sick.
• 38:39
  But I knew how to delegate and I knew how to, to run a business
• 38:42
  so that I'm not doing all the work.
• 38:43
  So today, even though I run the business, I mean, I probably
• 38:46
  work like 4 hours a week on it and like 2 hours is running the
• 38:50
  payroll. I mean, it's, it's that level of
• 38:52
  detail because I've delegated everything else.
• 38:54
  So that enables me to do other things.
• 38:57
  So fitting right into your point, I have this other skill
• 39:01
  and it's not the only business I have going on, but it was the
• 39:03
  main one for, for a number of years.
• 39:05
  I have this other thing going on.
• 39:06
  That's how I can basically pay the bills, make sure that
• 39:10
  stuff's working, and oh, by the way, now I can go do other
• 39:13
  things that I want to do, which is where I pursue my passions.
• 39:16
  And it was in that route. That's how I actually ended up
• 39:19
  going back to IT. Not because IT didn't actually
• 39:22
  rebuild me at all. Interesting.
• 39:25
  I went back to IT purely out of the interest because what what
• 39:29
  happened was AI became very popular over the last few years
• 39:31
  and I became very curious like, OK, how's this thing working?
• 39:34
  So, and I've been delving deeply into it and that became a
• 39:39
  passion of oh, wow, I'm so excited about this.
• 39:41
  Not here's how I'm going to earn my paycheck.
• 39:43
  Yeah. Oh, that's so interesting.
• 39:47
  I'd love thank you for bringing us, taking us on that journey.
• 39:50
  I think it that's such an important piece as we're
• 39:53
  connecting all these parts and pieces that which leads me to
• 39:57
  the my next, you know, talking point is embracing all of our
• 40:01
  layers. That layer was still a part of
• 40:03
  you. There was just time away from
• 40:05
  it. And so we have multiple layers
• 40:08
  that that I talk a lot about accepting them, understanding
• 40:12
  them, getting, you know, creating at least a neutral
• 40:16
  experience with them instead of defining, oh, this bad thing
• 40:19
  over here that I have shame about and I'm never going to
• 40:21
  talk about again. I'm so embarrassed or mad or I
• 40:24
  can't believe that happened to be whatever narrative you spin
• 40:27
  or you put on it, you try to stuff it over here.
• 40:30
  Well, that's not going to work. It's going to continue to come
• 40:32
  up and disrupt. And and whereas if you can
• 40:35
  embrace and accept all the layers.
• 40:37
  So when you decided, OK, I'm burned down on it, you didn't
• 40:40
  just like throw it. Never again, never going back,
• 40:43
  never going to be part, you know, you just, you just left
• 40:46
  it. And then when time when there
• 40:48
  was a time in a season where you were ready for it, that layer
• 40:52
  came back up again and served you and you drew you back in a
• 40:55
  different way. So I think it's just such a
• 40:57
  great example of how our layers work and when we stay curious
• 41:01
  about them and stay open to the possibilities within them.
• 41:05
  And going back to, you know, that key part of when those
• 41:08
  things happen that we don't love, like you've talked about,
• 41:12
  you get a choice and how you, how you process that.
• 41:15
  You're either going to take what you learned from it and look at
• 41:18
  the trajectory it sent you on, or you're going to get stuck in,
• 41:21
  in, in just, you know, and that doesn't I'm all about, because I
• 41:26
  talk about this all the time, all about feeling and processing
• 41:28
  the emotions, but feel and process them so you can move
• 41:31
  forward. Don't feel them and just stay
• 41:33
  stuck there. Yeah, it's, it's the difference
• 41:36
  between feeling just for the sake of feeling and feeling for
• 41:40
  for it to be a part of your lifestyle.
• 41:42
  Exactly, Yeah. Feeling.
• 41:44
  Feeling separate. If you divorce your feeling from
• 41:46
  your life, you're really not connected.
• 41:48
  No, no. But you know, interestingly, so
• 41:52
  many of us look so disassociated from that.
• 41:54
  We're just going and doing and doing and doing and we lose
• 41:57
  context with that. And then all of a sudden, one
• 41:59
  day you're just I, when I finally stopped living,
• 42:04
  disassociated and got back in touch with my life again and my
• 42:07
  feelings, my, all these things I'm feeling in my body and I'm
• 42:10
  like, where is this all coming from?
• 42:11
  And my therapist is like, it's been there.
• 42:13
  You've just been so disconnected that you weren't able to feel
• 42:17
  it, processes it, move through it.
• 42:19
  And that really was the start of my players journey.
• 42:22
  But you have such a great grasp on that because you were able to
• 42:25
  come to that acceptance point. Was that somewhat something you
• 42:29
  had to learn after what happened in 2008?
• 42:32
  Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly.
• 42:33
  What I I think that that's what makes a negative traumatic
• 42:38
  experience such an effective, valuable piece of a person's
• 42:41
  life. Yeah.
• 42:42
  Because when you're, when you're dealing with something that is
• 42:46
  as traumatic as that was for me, or as when, when you're dealing
• 42:49
  with with like the illnesses you dealt with or you know, the
• 42:51
  various things that you, you deal with in your life, no
• 42:53
  matter what they are. And it doesn't even matter, by
• 42:55
  the way, what level of trauma it is.
• 42:58
  Yeah. Very often we tend to think,
• 43:00
  well, this person had this really traumatic experience much
• 43:02
  worse than mine. Mine doesn't really count.
• 43:05
  No, that's actually not true. But I'm going to quote my friend
• 43:07
  Joel again. He points out that one of the
• 43:10
  most traumatic things that can happen to you when you're a
• 43:13
  teenager is a breakup. Now, is it anything like the
• 43:18
  breakups you have later on? Hell no.
• 43:20
  You. You'll go through a lot more
• 43:21
  breakups later on in your life, but the first one is the worst
• 43:24
  one. Because in the moment, it feels
• 43:26
  like your life's crashing and burning.
• 43:29
  Absolutely. It does.
• 43:30
  Yeah. So, you know, trauma really
• 43:33
  comes down to not how severe the trauma is, but how does it
• 43:36
  affect you. Yeah, And how do you how do you
• 43:39
  process it and how does it feel to you?
• 43:42
  Yeah, that's such an important point.
• 43:44
  That comparison game is so dangerous.
• 43:46
  And it's part of what leads us to, oh, we feel guilty about,
• 43:50
  oh, my life isn't as bad as or. And that's why I'm like, we have
• 43:53
  to be really careful with the way we talk about gratitude.
• 43:57
  Make true that your gratitude is based in healthy openness,
• 44:02
  experiencing all your feelings, processing all your feelings,
• 44:05
  and not at what I call a weaponized gratitude where
• 44:07
  you're like, well, I don't have it as bad as them.
• 44:10
  So I'm just going to be grateful I.
• 44:12
  Like that term weaponized? I like that.
• 44:14
  That's very good. Yeah, I you know, it's, I
• 44:16
  didn't. So I've seen it used
• 44:19
  sporadically other places, but I really kind of honed in on a few
• 44:23
  years ago and something that women deal with a lot in in I
• 44:27
  mean, I think in children deal with a lot.
• 44:29
  You can get it from parents. You can get it from grandparents
• 44:31
  that oh, you should be lucky or you should be grateful or like
• 44:36
  for I mean, for you and your wife coming out of this crash.
• 44:38
  Well, you still have each other. OK, this still sucks.
• 44:43
  That doesn't camps. I mean, you both think, you
• 44:45
  know, So like, I think that can happen a lot in tragedies
• 44:50
  because we're so uncomfortable with the uncomfortable feelings
• 44:53
  and the grief that comes with them that we're instead trying
• 44:56
  to find the thing to be thankful for him.
• 44:58
  Like, yes, but don't minimize the grief.
• 45:01
  I mean, we're, we're nuanced, we're layered.
• 45:03
  We can hold both. Yeah.
• 45:06
  And well, I think what happens is when you do go through that
• 45:09
  highly traumatic experience, traumatic for you, doesn't
• 45:12
  matter how traumatic it is from somebody else's perspective.
• 45:14
  But when we go through it, we, we find ourselves literally
• 45:19
  going through it moment by moment, one painful second at a
• 45:24
  time. And when you do that, that's
• 45:26
  where the focus comes in. It isn't like you have to focus.
• 45:31
  It's that you kind of have to just to stay sane.
• 45:36
  It's not like I'm going to focus right now because focus is
• 45:38
  important. No, no, it's more like I need to
• 45:41
  focus just to figure out what the hell I'm going to do the
• 45:43
  next second. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:45
  What's my next? Move.
• 45:47
  Exactly because that's when you start scooping up the
• 45:50
  information that's been there all along.
• 45:52
  Yeah. But, but, but when you, when you
• 45:55
  have that level of, of, of granular attention going on is
• 45:59
  when you learn the most about whatever it is that that you're
• 46:01
  dealing with. Yeah.
• 46:03
  And when you learn it, that's when you're able to make the
• 46:05
  progress. Yeah, yes.
• 46:07
  Now here's the hardest part about that.
• 46:09
  The hardest part is while you're going through that, you can't
• 46:12
  tell that you're making the progress.
• 46:14
  Yeah. It feels like 3 steps forward,
• 46:17
  10 steps back. Absolutely, yeah.
• 46:19
  And and that's on a good day. Yeah, yes, exactly.
• 46:22
  That's if you just don't feel stuck in the mud all day.
• 46:24
  Absolutely right. Yes, Yeah.
• 46:26
  So. Good.
• 46:27
  At least I got 3 good steps. Most days it's 10 steps back.
• 46:29
  Period. That was it, That was the day.
• 46:31
  Exactly. So true.
• 46:33
  I mean, thank you so much for that.
• 46:35
  I think it's so helpful to realize that also too, we look
• 46:39
  at people's lives on the surface and we don't take the time to be
• 46:42
  curious and listen to their stories and what they actually
• 46:45
  went through to get to a space. Because I think so many times
• 46:49
  we'll see people that they're like, gosh, you seem really
• 46:52
  content. You seem like you've really got
• 46:53
  it all together. And they and they think that
• 46:56
  there's and I, I've worked really hard to get here to this
• 47:01
  point. This has been a slog.
• 47:03
  And if you would have told me what I had to go through to get
• 47:07
  there, I might have not on the front end said yes to it.
• 47:11
  I probably been like, oh hell no, I'm not doing that.
• 47:16
  So yeah, I think it just goes back to that nuance of the
• 47:18
  layers and being open to the opportunities that exist within.
• 47:23
  Them and and I think that's where I learned how to
• 47:25
  appreciate things I didn't like. Yeah.
• 47:29
  That that like I said, that one took me a long time to really
• 47:32
  take on board. I was.
• 47:34
  The only reason I even gave it attention was I like my friend
• 47:36
  David. Yeah, I.
• 47:38
  Mean David, I get along well. So you know it, it it made sense
• 47:42
  for me to listen to it and to listen.
• 47:43
  I I believed in what the stream taught.
• 47:45
  The stream was very similar to Abraham.
• 47:47
  The messaging is very, very similar.
• 47:50
  But hearing that one was really hard.
• 47:52
  And I think what made the difference was looking back over
• 47:56
  a long enough period of time and seeing all of the the ways and
• 48:00
  instances where I was literally surviving second to second and
• 48:04
  realizing that's where I was learning stuff.
• 48:06
  That's how I learned to appreciate something I didn't
• 48:08
  like because I definitely did not like that.
• 48:11
  That was not a fun time. But you know what?
• 48:13
  I learned so much of it. That's the appreciation factor.
• 48:17
  Yeah. And when I realized that they
• 48:19
  were part of the same thing, I said that's how you learn to
• 48:21
  appreciate something you don't like.
• 48:24
  Yeah. You look at the part that
• 48:26
  actually helped you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:30
  And it's that whole piece thing. Thank you so much.
• 48:32
  That's so good. I, I call this in living out
• 48:34
  feel and finding empowerment, embracing layers, which I feel
• 48:38
  like you, you have done that in your life.
• 48:40
  Talk to me about how that has changed or impacted.
• 48:43
  Maybe it's the better word. Your relationship with yourself
• 48:46
  as well as your relationship with other people.
• 48:50
  Well, when you're going through hell, because that's really what
• 48:53
  it is, when you're going through hell, you're, you're from moment
• 48:57
  to moment, you're, you're reaching for any tool you can
• 48:59
  reach for, trying it out just to see, does this one help?
• 49:04
  Does that one help? Does this, does this make a
• 49:05
  difference? Does that make a difference?
• 49:08
  And I probably tried all the tools that you could try because
• 49:11
  they were presented to me on the podcast.
• 49:13
  OK, another tool. We'll give that one a shot.
• 49:16
  And a lot of them didn't really work for me.
• 49:19
  And that's OK. Yeah.
• 49:21
  I mean, it's hard because you want to try something at work.
• 49:24
  Doesn't work. Like, oh, shoot, there's another
• 49:25
  one. Didn't work.
• 49:26
  Yeah. But over time, you do get some
• 49:28
  that really work. Like for me, one of the biggest
• 49:31
  ones that worked for me. You asked about the whole self
• 49:33
  esteem piece. The one that helped myself
• 49:36
  esteem the most was one that I did not work on in order to work
• 49:39
  on myself esteem. I worked on it because I had
• 49:43
  read an article by Jack Canfield, the author of the
• 49:45
  Chicken Soup for the Soul. Series.
• 49:47
  Oh yeah, yeah, all. From one of the presenters in
• 49:49
  the Secret, Right? Yeah.
• 49:50
  And in this article, he talked about how he'd used mirror work
• 49:54
  to quiet the monkey brain. So that chattery brain doesn't
• 49:57
  want to stop, and mine just did. Nuts at that point.
• 50:00
  Yeah. So I said OK, I'm willing to try
• 50:03
  anything at this point because this is driving me crazy.
• 50:05
  I mean, meditation, I can't meditate for anything.
• 50:07
  The moment I try to meditate, the brain goes off in 5000
• 50:10
  directions. I got to do something to quiet
• 50:12
  this thing. So he described the mirror work.
• 50:14
  I started doing the mirror work. I got one day.
• 50:17
  Well, my first day, my first day was actually comical because I
• 50:22
  first of all, I had to get myself to actually do it right.
• 50:25
  And so I'm in front of the mirror and I don't even want to
• 50:29
  look at myself in the mirror. You're supposed to look deeply
• 50:31
  into your own eyes as you're doing this.
• 50:32
  I couldn't even look at myself. So I briefly opened my eyes and
• 50:36
  said, Oh, I really like you. Oh, I can't do this.
• 50:39
  I mean, that was that was the extent of the first session.
• 50:43
  The second section was about twice as long as that, so it
• 50:46
  lasted about 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds.
• 50:49
  But by by day six or seven, it was starting to feel like, OK, I
• 50:53
  can actually do this. I don't like it a lot, but I can
• 50:57
  start to do it. And by day 17, I realized
• 51:01
  something had changed a little bit.
• 51:04
  I didn't know what it was, but it was like the voices in my
• 51:07
  head were quieter. I said, OK, I'm not.
• 51:12
  Are they really quieter by 17? Yeah, I think they are actually
• 51:15
  quieter. I think I can quietly say
• 51:17
  they're quieter. They're not quiet, but they're
• 51:19
  quieter. OK, keep going.
• 51:21
  By day 30, it was almost silent. And I kept doing it.
• 51:26
  I actually did it consistently for 50 days.
• 51:29
  And at the end of 50 days, the monkey brain had stopped.
• 51:33
  And Melissa, it's never come back.
• 51:35
  But now here's the real thing that ties into what you asked
• 51:38
  about. I did not realize how much it
• 51:41
  was going to help build my self esteem because once I went
• 51:45
  through that process, first of all, you're doing, when you're
• 51:48
  doing mirror work, you're looking at yourself in the
• 51:50
  mirror, you're looking in your own eyes, and you're praising
• 51:52
  yourself for what you're doing right in your life and you're
• 51:54
  giving yourself credit and you're loving yourself and so
• 51:56
  forth, which we're not used to doing, so that's why it's so.
• 52:00
  But when you do it and when you stick with it for 30 days or
• 52:03
  even the 50 days like I did, it does something to you.
• 52:08
  It it gives you a level of confidence you never had before.
• 52:11
  So again, that's not what I was trying to do, but residual
• 52:16
  aspect of it was. That's what the result was that
• 52:18
  I didn't expect. Yeah, I love that.
• 52:20
  I think it's such a great example of I I feel like that's
• 52:24
  what it looks like and feels like when you start realizing
• 52:28
  what you're what's in you. Like we're be able because I
• 52:31
  talk to, you know, women all the time and people of like, are you
• 52:34
  a coach? I'm like, no, I am not a coach.
• 52:36
  I'm here to advise and guide women back to what's already in
• 52:42
  them. They just needed somebody to
• 52:43
  show it to them. So I call them empowerment
• 52:46
  sessions and, and I'm like, I'm going to, I'm going to help you
• 52:49
  tap back into what you already have in there.
• 52:51
  And I feel like that's what mirror work does is it helps you
• 52:55
  tap back into what's been there the whole time.
• 52:58
  You just needed to, to have something to help you get.
• 53:02
  And when you can tap into that and own that there's, there's
• 53:06
  just a calm confidence that come, you know, kind of a humble
• 53:10
  confidence where you stay curious and know you have more
• 53:13
  to learn, but also feel very settled and have stability in
• 53:20
  who you are and what you value and what you're made of and what
• 53:23
  you're capable of. Oh yeah.
• 53:25
  Not only what you're capable of, but what you are capable of
• 53:29
  believing about yourself. Yeah.
• 53:32
  That the belief is what was missing before and the belief is
• 53:35
  what the mirror work builds up. You start to believe in yourself
• 53:38
  in a way that you never really believed in yourself before.
• 53:41
  And in the process of doing that, this is this is probably
• 53:44
  the biggest part of the wake up for me where the mirror work was
• 53:47
  considered. I recognized after a very short
• 53:50
  time, probably around day 20, something like that.
• 53:53
  I recognized just how rough I was on myself.
• 53:57
  Yeah. I mean, up until that point, I
• 53:59
  would probably have denied that I was really that difficult on
• 54:03
  myself. Yeah.
• 54:03
  But after 20 days of of loving on myself in the mirror, I had
• 54:09
  become really. Because the contrast, right?
• 54:11
  Yeah. When you don't have contrast,
• 54:12
  it's hard to see the difference. Exactly.
• 54:14
  So if I had no history of being kind to myself, then how can I
• 54:17
  tell I'm being cruel? Yeah.
• 54:19
  But once I'm being kind to myself, and then I can see where
• 54:23
  I'm being really unkind and judgmental and critical and so
• 54:26
  forth, Now you can see it in a way that you don't normally see
• 54:30
  it. That that's the benefit of
• 54:32
  doing, first of all, something like a mirror work that's so
• 54:34
  uncomfortable to do, but also because the mirror work is you
• 54:38
  working directly on you. You see that kind of contrast,
• 54:44
  division, whatever you want to call it, You see that so much
• 54:47
  more vividly than you did before.
• 54:49
  And that's where you become kinder because then you realize,
• 54:52
  well, I don't want to be that way toward myself.
• 54:55
  And funny thing, when you when you slow down, you, you don't
• 54:57
  actually change it immediately, but you take.
• 55:00
  Time you got to unlearn that thing you've been doing for
• 55:02
  forever. But but even as you're making
• 55:05
  those changes, you don't even have to think about being kind
• 55:08
  to others. You just are.
• 55:10
  Because now you're being kind to yourself.
• 55:12
  Yeah, yes, that's such a key part.
• 55:15
  I'm so glad you said that because I say all the time to
• 55:18
  women, if you're like, I want to help others, I want to show up
• 55:21
  for others. You got to know how to show up
• 55:23
  for you first and do that well and in a healthy way before
• 55:27
  you're going to be able to do that in a meaningful, long
• 55:31
  standing way with other people. Absolutely.
• 55:34
  We, we miss, calculate and underestimate the power of that
• 55:40
  banter that's going on in our heads.
• 55:42
  And how much of it? Because I had to say a very
• 55:45
  similar experience. My therapist is like, are you
• 55:47
  harder on yourself? I'm like, no, I'm, I'm very
• 55:50
  confident. I'm very capable.
• 55:52
  She's like, all right, I just want you to spend a week
• 55:55
  tracking your inner dialogue. Just, you don't have to do
• 55:59
  anything to it. Or I want you to just be aware.
• 56:03
  Oh my gosh, and the number that does on our confidence so that
• 56:08
  it's that contrast of, you know, being able.
• 56:10
  So it's no wonder that that was an outcome.
• 56:13
  I love when you go in and do things and you get all these
• 56:16
  multiple layers of outcomes. Thank you so much for that.
• 56:18
  That's so and it does absolutely to interact and really truly
• 56:23
  engage and be able to be curious and listen and even have
• 56:26
  conversations that are bridge building and connecting in any
• 56:29
  way. It's got it.
• 56:30
  Got to start with you. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:33
  And and like I said, if you, if you do the work on yourself that
• 56:37
  way, it actually is easier. Not, not not even easier.
• 56:42
  It's just plain easy to do it with somebody else.
• 56:45
  It's no one. If it was a challenge before,
• 56:47
  forget it. It's no longer a challenge.
• 56:48
  The challenge is gone. Yeah, yeah.
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  So it. Turns out the challenge was
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  actually yourself. Even when you thought the
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  challenge was them, it was actually you.
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  Yes. Oh, that's your take away today,
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  folks. If you've got nothing else out
• 57:01
  of this, sit with that. That's so good, Walt.
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  Thank you so much for that. All right, we are winding down
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  here the what I call the rapid fire.
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  Name 5 activities that nourish you.
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  Oh well, first one's podcasting that's really easy.
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  Yeah. I got to come up with four more,
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  but that one's like, we're not the green.
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  I can just do that one. That's easy.
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  I'm, I'm a dancer. I love social dancing.
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  I'm, I'm a swing dancer. I like doing hustle.
• 57:28
  I like doing some of the Latin dances a little bit, but I love
• 57:30
  dance. It's wonderful.
• 57:31
  That's fun. I'm a musician.
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  I love playing music. I actually, I was a musician
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  when I was a kid and then there was about a 35 year gap where I
• 57:41
  just stopped. And then a number of years ago,
• 57:44
  my brother gave me one of these electronic keyboards for
• 57:47
  Christmas. And so and I, I'd taken piano
• 57:49
  lessons when I was very young. So it's like, OK, yeah, I can do
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  this. And I'm finding I love this even
• 57:53
  more. I used to be a guitarist.
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  I love this even more than playing guitar.
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  So that's another way for myself to discover myself and to
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  connect with myself and so forth.
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  Yeah. So I love the fact that I'm a
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  musician. What?
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  What's the exact way that you framed the question?
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  I want to make sure I address the way you framed it.
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  Five activities that nourish you.
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  That nourish me. OK, so yes, podcasting, dance
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  and the musicianship playing, playing music, socializing,
• 58:20
  getting out, meeting people. One of the things that actually
• 58:23
  had to happen once I became divorced.
• 58:25
  We, my ex and I divorced 2 1/2 years ago and I quite honestly,
• 58:31
  I didn't have much of an outside social life.
• 58:34
  I had to start developing that. If I didn't, it was going to
• 58:36
  harm me. I could tell it was going to
• 58:38
  harm me. So I made a point to get out and
• 58:41
  make as much connections as I can.
• 58:42
  And dance was actually a great way to do that.
• 58:45
  And I use dance as as like my way to get myself out the door,
• 58:50
  meet up groups. Those are also great.
• 58:52
  I'm, I'm, I find myself, you know, going divergent, trying a
• 58:55
  lot of different ways to connect people.
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  But yeah, human connection is, is one of the most important
• 59:02
  ways to nourish myself, you know, without a doubt.
• 59:06
  And I, I guess the fifth one on my list has to be my cat, Joy.
• 59:09
  It was a male, by the way. Oh wow, I love that.
• 59:14
  Yeah, that's. So much well, Joy came to us as
• 59:18
  one of four cats. He was he.
• 59:20
  He found us when the people who lived across the street from us,
• 59:25
  we were living in Virginia at the time.
• 59:26
  They got evicted from their home.
• 59:27
  We didn't know that, but they got evicted and they abandoned
• 59:30
  all four animals, which was astonishing.
• 59:34
  And. And sickening, but nevertheless,
• 59:37
  he found us. We ended up rescuing all four of
• 59:40
  them. We found homeless two of them.
• 59:41
  We kept two. My ex has one, one of the other
• 59:44
  cats, Harmony and I kept Joy and Joy is truly a joyful cat.
• 59:50
  I mean, everybody anywhere that we've lived and including now
• 59:54
  where I live now, all the neighbors say, oh, he's such a
• 59:57
  wonderful cat. He's so he loves them and they
• 59:59
  all love him. You know it's that.
• 1:00:00
  Kind of thing. And he loves all the animals
• 1:00:02
  too. Oh wow.
• 1:00:04
  But the hardest part is actually I literally trying to get him in
• 1:00:07
  for the winter a couple days ago was the hardest part.
• 1:00:10
  It's like, dude, you can't I hang out here anymore.
• 1:00:14
  Well, I also learned something about cats I didn't know.
• 1:00:17
  I mean, I kind of knew it, but I didn't realize how big a deal it
• 1:00:19
  was. I mean, cats are prowlers,
• 1:00:21
  right? You know, they, they prowl on
• 1:00:22
  space. They, they, that's what all cats
• 1:00:24
  tend to do, including house cats.
• 1:00:26
  And he was out prowling. What I didn't realize is that
• 1:00:29
  it's almost an obsession to the point where they will harm
• 1:00:32
  themselves in order to prowl. They will starve themselves.
• 1:00:35
  They will put up with severe cold, severe heat because they
• 1:00:38
  are trying to maintain a zone of safety around their home.
• 1:00:42
  Wow. That's what that's all about.
• 1:00:45
  So when he was constantly wanting to be out, he was trying
• 1:00:47
  to protect the home. Wow.
• 1:00:49
  And when I finally, I, you know how I learned that?
• 1:00:51
  I learned that from talking to AIAI explained it.
• 1:00:54
  OK, OK. And once they.
• 1:00:55
  Grasp what that was like. Oh, OK.
• 1:00:57
  Well, now I have no problem forcing him to come into the
• 1:00:59
  house because, you know, OK, I I can help him.
• 1:01:02
  I'm going to save him from himself.
• 1:01:05
  Yeah, take advantage of his built.
• 1:01:07
  Everybody has neuroplasticity, even cats.
• 1:01:09
  So, you know, help the neuroplasticity to reprogram him
• 1:01:11
  that he's safe because he's inside the house.
• 1:01:15
  And I mean, he still wants to go out a little bit, but just a
• 1:01:18
  couple days later, yeah, it's worked out great.
• 1:01:20
  So Oh my gosh, Long story short, he nourishes me.
• 1:01:22
  I nourish him. You know it's a nourishing Co.
• 1:01:25
  Relationship. I love that.
• 1:01:26
  So good. All right, 5 words on how you
• 1:01:29
  want to feel the next six months.
• 1:01:31
  Next six months. Oh, continuation, really.
• 1:01:36
  Excitement is a big one for me. Curiosity, definitely a big one.
• 1:01:41
  And perspective Is perspective a verb?
• 1:01:44
  I think you can count as a verb. I think so, yeah.
• 1:01:47
  It's. Like it's got enough going on
• 1:01:49
  there. Yeah, So I'll include that.
• 1:01:51
  And there's certainly an emotion attached to it.
• 1:01:53
  Perspective is like a wow kind of an emotion.
• 1:01:57
  It really is. Yeah, so those 3 for sure I got
• 1:02:00
  a quote with five let's see two more.
• 1:02:02
  I want to feel love for sure. I'm I'm looking for that next
• 1:02:07
  relationship and I, I, I, I can't say I'm an active dater,
• 1:02:12
  but I have done enough dating to try to make that happen and also
• 1:02:16
  building the the non primary relationships to those kinds of
• 1:02:19
  connections. Those are really just as
• 1:02:21
  important. And then because I'm working on
• 1:02:25
  a rather unique AI project, I want successful I.
• 1:02:28
  Want to? I love that.
• 1:02:30
  So good. Well, tell people where they can
• 1:02:33
  find you and follow you. This will also be in our show
• 1:02:35
  notes, but share with the listeners right now.
• 1:02:38
  Actually, it's kind of hard to not find us.
• 1:02:42
  There's no drain. You really are everywhere.
• 1:02:44
  We're Crayola way today. Anywhere that you would look for
• 1:02:46
  a podcast or we're going to be there.
• 1:02:48
  But if you want the the top list of characters, you know, Apple
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  Podcasts, we're definitely there.
• 1:02:52
  We're there on Spotify, we're on YouTube, we're on Facebook,
• 1:02:56
  we're on LinkedIn. We're.
• 1:02:57
  I mean, you start naming them and we're there.
• 1:02:59
  Yeah. Even the medium sized podcast
• 1:03:02
  platforms you get, once you get on one, you're on all of them.
• 1:03:05
  Yeah. So.
• 1:03:06
  And if you want to find out more directly about it, go to the
• 1:03:08
  website loatoday.net, OK? Actually needs a little bit of
• 1:03:12
  an upgrade. But you know, being an IT person
• 1:03:14
  who doesn't want to have to deal with the IT, I can't leave that
• 1:03:16
  alone for a while, OK? Sounds good.
• 1:03:19
  Oh my gosh, One last thought you'd like to leave with our
• 1:03:22
  listeners today. I want to leave with you the
• 1:03:26
  same thought that I left with you when you joined me on the
• 1:03:29
  program. And I don't know if you remember
• 1:03:31
  exactly what I did at the end of the program, but I do this every
• 1:03:33
  program because we now live in an era where we are sharing with
• 1:03:38
  the world through all these different activities like the
• 1:03:40
  podcasting. We write books, we create
• 1:03:42
  courses, we do coaching. We have people are doing all
• 1:03:45
  kinds of stuff to share what they've learned going through
• 1:03:47
  their traumas and the process of sharing with people that they
• 1:03:50
  never meet. They don't know what they do
• 1:03:51
  with it, but they benefit them. And we don't get credit for
• 1:03:53
  that. Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  So I like to get credit. So, Melissa, thank you on behalf
• 1:03:57
  of those people you've never met, never seen who you've been
• 1:03:59
  helping in ways you didn't know about.
• 1:04:00
  Thank you for what you're doing with your podcast.
• 1:04:03
  You're making a difference in the school.
• 1:04:04
  Thank you so much. I love that you did that because
• 1:04:06
  I I was like, I know there was something unique, but then as
• 1:04:09
  soon as you started, I'm like, that's what it was.
• 1:04:12
  Thank you, Walt, for joining me today.
• 1:04:14
  Thank you for how you show up in the world.
• 1:04:16
  You're such an important fresh voice in this in this world of
• 1:04:20
  podcasting and I'm so grateful our paths have crossed.
• 1:04:24
  Listeners, so much to grab from this today.
• 1:04:28
  You go back, re listen, take notes, check out what Walt's
• 1:04:32
  doing over there. It's really very diverse,
• 1:04:35
  nuanced conversations that are happening with really wide group
• 1:04:41
  of people. There's all kinds of topics.
• 1:04:43
  It's really fascinating. And but he's just he and his Co
• 1:04:46
  host do a really good job of bringing it back home and and
• 1:04:50
  bringing it all together. So thanks so much for the work
• 1:04:53
  you do and take care of this week.
• 1:04:55
  Listeners. We hope you got something from
• 1:04:57
  this and do your own. Maybe your my last take away is
• 1:05:02
  think about your own mirror work.
• 1:05:03
  Think about how you're talking about yourself.
• 1:05:06
  Think about the impact that has. And it can be, whether you're
• 1:05:09
  journaling that and tracking how you talk to yourself or actually
• 1:05:12
  doing the mirror work that Walt talked about, that being kind to
• 1:05:17
  ourselves and versus not has more of an impact on us than we
• 1:05:21
  understand. So.
• 1:05:23
  Yeah, the ripple effect that comes off of that is almost
• 1:05:26
  impossible to measure, is so vast.
• 1:05:29
  Yeah, it really is. All right, friends, thanks so
• 1:05:31
  much for being with us. We'll see you next time here on
• 1:05:34
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• 1:05:37
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• 1:05:42
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• 1:05:46
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• 1:05:49
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• 1:06:05
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• 1:06:10
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• 1:06:13
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