Latest / True Crime with Gavin Fish / Where There's One, There's 300 | Another Woman Comes Forward About Kentucky Judge Kevin Mullins

Transcript

Where There's One, There's 300 | Another Woman Comes Forward About Kentucky Judge Kevin Mullins · True Crime with Gavin Fish

0:02
Well, friends, it's Monday, and on the docket today is the case
0:07
of the murder of Judge Kevin Mullins, the Kentucky judge who
0:12
was murdered in his chambers by none other than his bailiff,
0:18
former bailiff and Sheriff Mickey Stein's.
0:22
You know, about a year ago I had on this very program a guest who
0:27
said if there's one, there's 30. And I think in in Judge Mullins
0:33
case with more and more people coming out of the woodwork with
0:36
accusations of impropriety, when there's one, there's 300.
0:42
Stick with me. This video contains mature
0:57
themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
1:00
Viewer discretion is advised. Welcome back, my friend.
1:06
Thank you very much for joining me.
1:07
My name is Gavin. This is another true crime
1:10
conversation here on my channel. A channel where we like to cut
1:14
through the fluff and the sensationalism and true crime
1:16
and get down to the nitty gritty.
1:18
But I'm telling you, this case makes it hard.
1:21
There is so much sensationalism around this case.
1:24
But you know what there also is, there is also really good
1:27
reporting. And this time Brian Enton has
1:32
done some very good reporting. And that's not surprising,
1:36
right? Brian Enton does very good
1:38
reporting wherever he goes. And we're going to watch about
1:43
what is it about? It's about an 8 minute, 8 1/2
1:49
minute clip of an interview that he did he published to YouTube
1:53
today. I put a link in.
1:55
Oh, I hope I put a link in the description down below.
1:57
If I haven't, I will. But before we get into that,
2:02
let's just talk a little bit about this case, OK?
2:06
Back in September, Judge Kevin Mullins, here's a photo of him
2:10
here was shot to death by Sean Mickey Stein's.
2:16
He did it in the judge's chambers on video, and I think
2:22
we've done 434445 videos on this case because there's just so
2:27
much that comes out. If you have not seen everything,
2:32
go over to my website. Let me see if I got the website
2:35
up. Yeah, if you go over to the
2:36
website. Oh, you know what?
2:38
I don't think I have a case page for Judge Mullins.
2:41
I need to do that. Yeah, I don't.
2:44
I don't have a case page for Judge Mullins, but there's tons
2:47
of awesome case pages over there.
2:50
But basically, this is what happened.
2:51
Just as a very quick summary. OK, this, this is Mickey Steins
2:57
right here. He had a deputy sheriff, a guy
3:01
named Ben Fields. Ben Fields, while working for
3:04
the sheriff, was also the bailiff of the Letcher County,
3:08
Kentucky District Court. Now that nothing about that was
3:15
improper that I mean, Mickey Steins was a sheriff and was
3:20
Judge Mullins bailiff for a long time.
3:23
But what, what started to be improper or started I what what
3:29
became improper is that this guy, Ben Fields, was the guy
3:34
that was in charge of the ankle monitors for people in the jail
3:42
in Letcher County Jail, which is in the courthouse basement here.
3:47
If they got on some type of house arrest or, you know,
3:52
probation that or whatever that required these ankle monitors
3:56
for monitoring their location, Mr. Fields was the guy that
4:01
would put on the monitors and, and would, I guess basically
4:07
oversee that system. Now Mr. Fields and, and it kind
4:12
of feels like it wasn't kind of, it totally feels like it wasn't
4:17
just him. I mean, it was Mickey Stein's
4:19
before him who, who was the ankle monitor guy.
4:23
But Mr. Fields started talking to the women inside the Letcher
4:28
County Jail as he was putting on their ankle monitors.
4:31
He was saying, you know, we could make it easy on you and
4:37
started to convince these women. And it was well known within the
4:42
jail that if you traded sexual favors, you would be you would
4:45
get favorable treatment on the monitor program.
4:48
In some cases he would just give them the monitor to carry around
4:51
in their purse or whatever. Anyway, Mr. Fields was
5:00
eventually there were two women, one woman named Sabrina Adkins,
5:06
one woman woman named Jennifer Hill, who and Ms. Hill has sadly
5:12
passed. Jennifer Adkins is still still
5:17
around and part of this, but she filed a federal lawsuit against
5:22
Mr. Fields and against Mickey Stein's as the sheriff, saying
5:27
that he should have known what Mr. Fields was doing.
5:29
Basically, he was essaying them, right?
5:31
He was doing terrible, more terrible things.
5:34
If if they would not do what it was that he wanted, he would
5:39
report them as absconders and it would make it worse for them.
5:43
So, I mean, this was, this was a very corrupt, very gross,
5:48
disgusting system going on down in Letcher County.
5:51
Well, anyway, when Sabrina Adkins and Jennifer Hill filed
5:54
their lawsuit, Mickey Stein's was deposed.
6:00
He was deposed on a Monday and then the following Thursday, his
6:06
lawyers say, and he has said through his lawyers that he was
6:10
worried about his wife and daughter's safety.
6:14
He full on goes in and kills the judge.
6:17
OK, and we've covered this. You can see my old videos on it.
6:20
You can see all the stuff that that I've done on this case,
6:24
right? But nine shots he put in to the
6:27
judge. Kevin Mullins is now deceased.
6:31
OK, so that brings us to, I mean, it brings us to so much,
6:37
but that's the background on the case.
6:38
Oh, by the way, I should tell you guys, tell me where you're
6:41
from in the chat. I want to see where everybody is
6:43
from. Check in, put AGF in your
6:45
comment. Let me let me see where you're
6:47
from. OK.
6:49
All right, now that we've got that background out of the way,
6:54
let's talk about Judge Mullins. OK, I'm going to pause this.
6:58
I just want to this picture. No, let's just stay on this one,
7:03
OK? If, if you believe what several
7:10
women have said, Judge Mullins, even back when he was working in
7:15
the prosecutor's office, when he was a lowly lawyer, he, he was
7:23
already kind of engaging according to these women and
7:27
this kind of behavior. OK, So I guess what has happened
7:33
since, what I should say, since Judge Mullins has died, there
7:39
have been multiple women, some that have that have gone public,
7:44
some that have come directly to me, some that have talked to
7:49
Elizabeth Jones and others. They are saying no, this is what
7:55
Kevin Mullins did. He he was involved in this from
7:58
the very beginning. It wasn't just Ben Fields.
8:01
In fact, Sabrina Adkins in her in her proffer to the Kentucky
8:09
State attorney general's investigator, she said she had
8:14
seen a video. She said she had seen a video of
8:17
Judge Mullins having sex with a woman in his chambers.
8:22
And if you guys will remember Lila Stein's, we went over this
8:27
video. Let me just play this real
8:28
quick. We go to the beginning here.
8:31
I won't play the whole thing. It's only a minute long, but I
8:33
won't play the whole thing. Listen to what Lila Stein says.
8:35
She's the daughter of Mickey. Stein We believe there are some
8:39
inappropriate videos, text messages and other pieces of
8:43
evidence that could really help my dad.
8:45
OK, so this is this is what she's talking about.
8:50
I believe she's talking about the same thing that Sabrina
8:53
Atkins is saying same thing that other women have told me that
8:58
they have seen a video or videos of Kevin Mullins having sex in
9:05
his in his chambers with women who were who were in a position
9:14
of lesser power, which makes it institutional essay, right?
9:18
OK, let that brings us to Brian it.
9:22
Let's see before let me just check in on you guys, see what
9:24
you're saying real quick. We got New Jersey in the house.
9:28
Awesome. Zach is from New Jersey, Devon
9:33
in the UK very cool. We got Las Vegas in the house,
9:37
Central Kentucky striving for Titus.
9:40
Two grew up in Letcher County. We got Georgia.
9:43
We got North Palm Beach FL, Jacksonville FL, Colorado, North
9:47
Carolina, oh real quick Raymond Godfrey says defense attorney 15
9:54
years in North Carolina and my gut tells me Stein's walks due
9:57
to multiple hung juries. Whoo I wonder, I wonder your gut
10:04
is going to tell you better than my gut will I?
10:06
Anytime I cover a case I have no idea what the jury's going to
10:11
do. Great comment.
10:12
Boston, MA from Georgia living in Indiana, let's see Virginia,
10:20
North Carolina. Let's see Louisville now in
10:26
Maryville, TN in Kokomo, IN or 27 years in Kokomo, Erie, PA.
10:35
You are my fellow western Pennsylvanian, Floyd County,
10:39
Kentucky. We got some Kentuckians with us
10:41
tonight. North Carolina.
10:44
Kel. Again.
10:46
I'm. I'm calling shenanigans on that
10:47
name. OK, you told me that it's real.
10:51
But Wangaratta, Victoria, Australia.
10:54
You reckon I made that up? There is a tiny community near
10:57
us called Caracara Gamanji. I've done workshops there.
11:03
Well, it better be a workshop on how to pronounce that name.
11:06
Kel. That's funny.
11:08
Texas. Virginia, Ohio.
11:10
Delaware, Texas, Very cool. Thank you.
11:13
Thank you guys for joining. I'm glad that so many of you are
11:16
here in the chat with me. OK, so this brings us now over
11:21
to this video from Brian. And then this is the sum total
11:25
of the content that I want to go over with you guys, about 8 1/2
11:28
minutes long, but I would like to hear your take on things.
11:33
And before I do, let me tell you, when I shared this, I mean,
11:39
I saw it before Elizabeth. Normally she sees stuff before
11:42
me, but when I shared it with Elizabeth Jones from Hillbilly
11:47
Crime earlier today, she said I just watched it all.
11:51
I believed her every word. That was a great interview.
11:54
And I think later on this week I'll be joining Elizabeth on her
11:58
channel to go over this as well. Okey Dokey, Let's see what Brian
12:04
has to say. Let me because it does some
12:07
weird things here. Let me just make sure.
12:10
Here we go. New interview with a woman named
12:12
Jamie Rayburn. She again lived in Letcher
12:15
County. She was in and out of jail along
12:18
with many others in her family. And she talks about their
12:22
history with the judge and also with the sheriff.
12:25
Like how did you first meet? So her name is Jamie Rayburn.
12:30
She's putting her face out there, which I think is super
12:32
brave. Guys, I think it's amazing there
12:37
was another woman who did it to Ty Adams that I mean, these are,
12:41
these are brave, brave people in addition to the heroes of
12:46
Jennifer Adkins. I'm sorry, Sabrina Adkins and
12:48
Jennifer. Hill, All right, the judge.
12:52
So I actually my first encounter was when I was a juvenile, which
12:56
it wasn't nothing out of the ordinary because like I had to
13:00
go, I was put on like a juvenile probation and then I went to
13:04
juvie. This is so funny to me and, and
13:08
I'm sorry to be judgy about this, but I'm, I'm kind of judgy
13:11
about this in my own circle of associations.
13:13
No, it's just normal. It's very normal.
13:15
I was a juvenile offender and I went to juvie.
13:17
Nothing out of the ordinary. I don't think you understand
13:21
what the ordinary is, and probably it's not your fault.
13:26
So then later on in life when I become of age, I I was on drugs
13:33
and stuff and I ended up doing some time in jail.
13:36
And in 2019 I went and decided to get clean and go through the
13:41
art program. And he kind of personally
13:44
reached out to me within those times, like helping me tell me
13:49
he was proud and stuff. But then an indication that kind
13:52
of alarmed me to know that all the rumors I heard my whole life
13:56
about him is he invited me to the seminar in March of 2021, a
14:01
drug seminar while I was in rehab, basically to tell a
14:05
little bit of like my story. And he was just trying to like,
14:08
I guess make me like a poacher child.
14:10
I don't know. But he.
14:12
You know what this is this this did strike me.
14:16
She she talks about it just a little bit here.
14:18
It's not very long where she's talking about this experience,
14:20
but she's like. But all of the rumors that I had
14:24
heard, I found out were true when while I was in rehab, Judge
14:30
Mullins invited me to go to a seminar to hold up as his poster
14:36
child of success. She had heard the rumors before.
14:41
I have heard several rumors like this where women have said,
14:46
yeah, they were invited to go on the road.
14:50
Yeah. He's.
14:51
Just trying to share my story and stuff.
14:53
But he was just very weird during that.
14:56
Like before, he was just very inappropriate, you know, to me.
15:01
Like like what happened? Did it?
15:03
Was he calling? Yeah, he just told me, like, if
15:07
I ever needed anything, just to come to his chambers, like, if I
15:09
ever got in trouble, that, you know, I could come and talk to
15:13
him, you know? But like, US women know what
15:16
that means, you know what I'm saying?
15:19
And he just made me feel very uncomfortable.
15:21
He just looked at me like a dog. But most of.
15:25
Hey, listen, sweetie, if you're, if you're ever in trouble, just
15:28
come to my chambers. What judge, what judge does that
15:35
guys, that is that is not, that is not OK.
15:40
It's just not OK if that happened.
15:42
Not OK. I and she's telling the same
15:46
kind of story that many women have already told.
15:49
And I feel like, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire.
15:53
Usually works that way, right? A a judge should not be doing
15:59
that. Hey, if you are ever in trouble,
16:02
come on over to my chambers. No, that's creepy.
16:05
It's gross. No, if I'm ever in trouble, I'll
16:08
be in jail and I will get an attorney.
16:10
I won't go to the judge's chambers.
16:12
So yeah, he's just trying to lure her in.
16:14
But this is what I think anyway, trying to lure her in to take
16:19
advantage of her, which is institutional essay.
16:23
My story is my mom too, you know, That's why I was reaching
16:28
out because my mom had a lot. She's no longer here anymore,
16:33
but my mom had the sexual stuff with him and all that.
16:40
Did when you say she's not here, did did she pass away or?
16:44
Yes, actually, she passed. She done a lot of jail time.
16:48
She was actually a drug addict, but she actually passed away.
16:51
She didn't even get to come home.
16:53
The jail, the Lecture County jail didn't take care of her at
16:57
all while she was sick. But like the beginning of like
17:02
her drug, like she used to go have sex with a judge to get out
17:06
of trouble. I remember she got my dad in
17:09
some very big trouble. She went and had sex with the
17:11
judge. You know, when people are on
17:13
drugs, they're so numb and you know, people don't like going to
17:16
jail and stuff. I don't.
17:17
I mean, I'm sure it upset her about, you know, from all the
17:21
drugs and all the abuse and trauma that my mom went through,
17:25
like she was not in the. You know what's shocking to me
17:28
when I, when I listen to these kinds of accounts, and there
17:32
have been, I mean, I in my little area of Western
17:38
Pennsylvania, I've been interviewing a lot of people
17:42
because of a perception and a belief by me that there is this
17:48
kind of stuff happening in my local jail, one of my local
17:51
jails. And I will sit down and I will
17:55
talk with women and sometimes men who have spent some time in
18:00
that jail who have stories to talk about the jail.
18:03
And they just kind of, and it maybe it's a defense mechanism
18:07
or something like that, but they just kind of like kind of gloss
18:10
over it. Yeah.
18:11
So, you know, I had sex with them and it's just like you're
18:17
like sitting there listening and going, Oh my goodness, you were
18:20
just R worded. You were just telling me about
18:23
the time when a corrections officer essayed you.
18:28
And they just, they just tell it like it's just part of what it
18:32
is. And I think it's because the the
18:34
just sheer quantity of issues that they have throughout their
18:39
lives and the amount of times they're taken advantage of and
18:44
abused and the number of times that they they see others having
18:51
the same kind of experience or they have or other people tell
18:55
them of those kinds of experience, It just becomes part
18:58
of regular life. And so, you know, she's talking
19:01
about her own mother being essayed by, I think she means
19:06
Judge Mullins when she says the judge over and over and over
19:11
again so that she can stay out of jail.
19:14
And she's just, I mean, obviously she's like, Jamie's a
19:19
hero here. She's talking to Brian and, and,
19:22
you know, telling him what happened.
19:26
But it's just shocking to me. Or it is maybe not shocking.
19:32
It it it deeply affects me when I hear stories like this just
19:39
spoken so matter of factly, so nonchalantly.
19:43
It's just. Yeah.
19:44
All right. Let me continue.
19:46
State of mind at all? She was very traumatized from a
19:52
lot of stuff that has been done to her.
19:53
I do know that my grandparents actually raised me so like my
19:58
mom was in and out of my life a lot too when I was younger.
20:02
How well known was it that you know if you had sex with the
20:06
judge you could get out of things?
20:09
Very well known, like every girl, like everybody knows that
20:13
even with lawyers too. It's not just the judges, it's
20:17
like a lot of people that's done this for years.
20:22
Let me just pause it there again.
20:24
His question was how well known is it?
20:28
Yeah, it's, it's just well known and it makes me wonder.
20:33
So I think it's probably well known in certain parts of the
20:40
community, right? Amongst those that are in and
20:44
out of jail, amongst those that are addicted to drugs, amongst
20:47
those that are the interface with the, you know, the, the
20:53
judicial system in the county, it's probably very well known.
20:57
And that's not a little chunk of the county, that's a lot of
21:00
people. But amongst the normal people
21:08
that are that would never say, oh, you know, my life was
21:12
normal. I went to juvie amongst those
21:16
people, they probably didn't know or they wouldn't believe
21:21
it, you know, because it's very easy to minimize the, the
21:26
testimony of people who you don't find credible because you
21:32
know, like it or not, as human creatures, we are designed to
21:36
make judgment calls and those judgment calls require us to
21:44
take in facts, weigh the credibility of the witnesses.
21:47
I'm talking in our everyday life, right?
21:50
If, if my teacher says that my son was misbehaving in 4th grade
21:55
and I go to my son, say, were you misbehaving in 4th grade?
21:58
And he kind of does one of these things.
22:01
No, then I judge him to not be credible, right?
22:06
Like these are things that we do all the time.
22:09
And unfortunately, I think that many of us outside of the
22:17
community where so much of this abuse happens, we don't we don't
22:23
judge the witnesses to be credible.
22:26
And I think, I mean, I, I don't think that's exactly wrong.
22:36
Like I, I don't think that that's, I think that that's a
22:39
natural thing. But when the evidence starts to
22:43
pile up, when many people start to say the exact same thing, you
22:48
can't, you can't ignore that. So, yeah, it was well known.
22:54
I'm sure within the circles of the the people who had been
23:00
victims and who would be victims, everybody else, they
23:03
probably just, I don't think they all just ignored it.
23:07
I think many of them just didn't believe it.
23:10
Like it's been over decades that this stuff has really been going
23:13
on with my memo. Yes.
23:16
Because like, I know this sounds weird and stuff.
23:19
I was needing to get an expungement and my memo was
23:25
really trying to put me up to go see Judge Moore just to get me.
23:28
I think when she says Mamma, she's talking about her
23:30
grandmother. Out of my expungement, but
23:34
families know that stuff too. I don't know if all families do
23:38
that with their kids, but I mean, like, my memo was trying
23:42
to get me just so I could, you know, have a better life and
23:45
stuff. Like families are aware of this
23:47
stuff now. I don't know if they've ever,
23:50
you know, put them up to do stuff like that, but from my
23:53
personal experience, like, yeah. What would your man Ma say?
24:01
She'd just be like, oh, you just need to go see Kevin loans and
24:05
he'll fix it for you. You just need to go down there
24:07
and see and stuff. Like I, she knew, she knew I
24:11
didn't want to go and she knew that I could go.
24:15
You know, I really try to keep like I'm only 29.
24:20
I've been in a lot. Like I've, I've lived a hard
24:24
live and I really tried to not do bad anymore, you know.
24:29
So that's kind of why I never like after rehab and all that.
24:33
Like that's why I never really went back because I don't really
24:38
want to live like that no more, you know?
24:41
With the drugs, like so many people it seems like in that
24:44
area have had issues with drugs. Like how do you describe it?
24:48
Like how do people get sucked in?
24:53
It's a very small area. There isn't nothing to do.
24:57
You really have to have an education to even have any money
25:01
there. You know, the coal mines used to
25:03
be like a lot of income for people back in the day.
25:07
But I think people get sucked into it because there's nothing
25:10
to do. It's very small and you know,
25:16
generational curses, families do it.
25:18
You know, moms and dads there do kids drugs with their kids
25:21
there. It's just crap.
25:23
It's crazy. So I just think that it's just a
25:27
lot of nothing to do there, families just not knowing any
25:32
better to do, just nothing to do there.
25:35
What do you mean by general? You know, this is the kind of
25:38
thing that I've heard this argument a lot before.
25:42
The first part of my life was spent in a town of 200 and if
25:46
granted, I was a little kid, I wasn't like a teenager trying
25:48
to, trying to find something to to do, though I would go back in
25:55
the summers and in the, you know, in, in over Christmas
26:00
break and stuff like that. I don't buy the whole, there's
26:03
nothing to do in a small place. I live in a small place now.
26:08
It's not much bigger than Electric County and there's
26:11
plenty to do. There's plenty to do besides
26:15
drinking and doing drugs. I think what happens is that
26:20
the, it, it spreads like a disease.
26:24
You know, when I was, when I was looking at the Amanda Winkowski
26:28
case, you know, this is a, this is a girl that got addicted to
26:34
heroin and started engaging in all of the different crimes that
26:40
are required in order to feed that addiction.
26:43
It was somebody gave her a pill at a party.
26:47
And, and, and the like, the thing about it is once you're,
26:52
once you're in, you're in and it only takes once with that stuff.
26:57
So I, I think, I think it, it spreads almost exponentially,
27:02
right? So one person gets in and they
27:04
get two people in, then each of them get two people in.
27:08
You know, it just, and it just spreads like wildfire.
27:11
And the the problem with it is, is that it is an addiction that
27:17
it's so, so, so hard to kick once you are addicted.
27:22
And that addiction only requires one experience.
27:27
So I don't think it's really is you have nothing to do.
27:30
I think it's that there's peer pressure involved.
27:33
I think I think there's a real I mean, we're not going to solve
27:37
the problems of the world here, but I just think that it one
27:41
person, you know, in those coal mining towns, people, people
27:47
were prescribed these medicines to deal with their pain and
27:51
being told that it was non addictive.
27:53
So you could take as much as you want.
27:56
Doctors would up the prescriptions.
27:57
I mean, guys watch dope sick, right that that's that's a
28:01
perfect. You know, it's a fictionalized
28:09
true story basically, right? So a lot of these coal mining
28:15
towns in in Appalachia, they were sold a bill of goods from
28:21
their doctors. They got addicted.
28:25
They start doing drugs in front of their families, in front of
28:27
their kids. And pretty soon it just, it's
28:31
just like dominoes. So, yeah, I, I respect what
28:36
she's saying. I appreciate that she is saying,
28:38
I don't think it's that there's nothing to do.
28:40
I think that it's just an epidemic that rolls through and
28:44
gets it catches so many people in that epidemic.
28:47
Rational curses. I'm just feel like, so I'm
28:52
really big in my faith. I'm not going to say like I'm a
28:55
Christian. I am a Christian, but I have a
28:58
bigger relationship with God then whatever.
29:01
So I just think that there's a lot of generational curses
29:04
there. You know, a lot of my story, my
29:08
mom and dad both done drugs with me.
29:11
They weren't very, they weren't very motherly or fatherly to me.
29:16
So that's a lot of what happens back there.
29:19
I just think that it just goes back and I just think my
29:25
generation is cursed a little bit.
29:28
I know that sounds crazy, but that stuff is real.
29:33
So you have people actually do drugs with their parents.
29:38
Yes. You did that.
29:40
Yes. I guess it's hard to know right
29:44
from wrong then if you're doing it with your, you know.
29:47
That is just so hurtful to even think about.
29:49
It's just so hurtful to even think about.
29:53
I mean, again, and this is not to explain it away, but I guess
29:58
when you're in just just rather than explaining it away, I'm
30:02
just trying to understand it, right.
30:03
I guess when you're in the throes of that sickness.
30:08
Yeah, I think your ethics, your morals kind of have to take a
30:11
back seat to to your need, right?
30:15
Your need for the next high. But yeah, talk about like,
30:20
sorry, I keep going back to Amanda Wenkowski.
30:22
But when I talked to Amanda Wenkowski's former boyfriend,
30:28
and he was the one who gave her her first pill and I was able to
30:35
talk to him about it, right, He told me all about it, said it
30:39
still keeps him up at night, that he is the person that got
30:42
her addicted. Can you imagine doing that to
30:45
your own child? Wow.
30:48
Yeah, like, well, I grew up seeing my mom and dad do it my
30:51
whole life. So I was like, well, if my mom
30:52
and dad's doing that, what, you know, it's OK for me to do it.
30:57
My Mama and Papa did raise me right.
30:59
Like my mom and Papa were very successful.
31:01
They raised me with right morals, but it didn't.
31:07
Sort of. I mean, you just told us that
31:09
your Mama told you go down to see Kevin Mullins.
31:12
Basically she was saying go have sex with Kevin Mullins.
31:15
Your problems will go away. Did your grandparents have great
31:18
morals? I don't know, but you know,
31:22
exhibit A is is not convincing me that that they did.
31:26
Till the void of them being my mom and dad.
31:28
So it made me very rebellious and and then I thought that, you
31:34
know, I started doing drugs when I was 16.
31:37
That's when my grandmother let me start kind of having a
31:38
relationship with my mom because she knew that it was hard on me
31:42
all these years without her and like.
31:47
So her grandma goes. You needed You have had a hard
31:50
time not having a relationship with your mom.
31:53
Let's let you have a relationship with your mom.
31:55
Boom, she's doing drugs. OK, that's exhibit B.
31:59
I'm sorry. Sorry.
32:01
That's exhibit B on Mama. Started doing drugs with her
32:04
because I thought like, well maybe she might love me now.
32:07
I don't know, it's just weird. What kind of drugs?
32:11
At first it started out like his drinking weed and then pills
32:15
like Xanax is pain pills. I got on suboxone really bad.
32:19
I did abuse that at 1st and then by the time I was 18 meth
32:25
started coming in the area and that that thank God I didn't get
32:31
on. No fentanyl or anything.
32:33
I went to rehab before that stuff came there, but weed, it
32:38
was alcohol, weed, pills and then meth.
32:42
Did you and all of it together? Did you ever know the sheriff?
32:48
Sheriff Stein's yes. Mickey, yes, he was actually the
32:53
bailiff for like 20 years in Kevin's court.
32:57
He was a very good man. This is what this is another
33:01
indication like this is the reason that the Bartleys, who
33:06
are the attorneys for Mickey Stein's, this is the reason that
33:09
the Bartleys want to keep this trial in Letcher County and
33:13
probably the exact same reason the prosecution want it out of
33:17
Letcher County. Did you hear what she said?
33:19
Yeah. Kevin or not Kevin?
33:21
Mickey. Yeah, I knew him.
33:22
He was the bailiff for a lot forever.
33:24
And yeah, he's a good man, you know?
33:29
Do you think when you heard that he shot the judge?
33:32
I didn't. I thought he was going, losing
33:34
his mind. I didn't know what was going on.
33:37
That is the end of of that segment.
33:40
Kudos to Brian and and to his to his producers and to his team
33:48
for getting that interview. That was very, very well done.
33:52
Very. It's not like he needs my
33:56
praise, but but pretty impressive.
33:59
Pretty impressive. OK, let's go over to see what
34:03
you guys are saying. It doesn't look like you're
34:04
talking too much over here. So this might, this might not
34:08
last very long. Kel says.
34:12
I've noticed this way of glossing over things is common
34:14
for people who've suffered long term abuse.
34:16
It's a dissociative thing. Protection.
34:18
Yeah, Maybe that's all it is. Maybe it's just that they don't
34:21
want to think about it. We'll just move along, get our
34:24
minds off of it. Right.
34:26
And this is so interesting. This case is so fascinating
34:29
because Kevin Mullins is the victim of a murder.
34:33
He was shot and killed on camera by Mickey Stein's.
34:38
Also, it appears that he's kind of the boogeyman that he is, the
34:43
guy that has been victimizing, I think, exclusively women.
34:49
But what do I know? For years and years and years.
34:55
That makes him the perp, right? The victim is also the perp.
35:01
So crazy. Zach.
35:04
Hey, Zach. It is good to see you.
35:06
Says been a while since I caught a live busy boy.
35:09
Very happy. Happy to see you haven't let
35:10
this case go. Evil needs to be exposed.
35:13
Thank you, Zach. Yeah, I'm not going to let this
35:15
one go. Awake, girly.
35:18
Gavin, where are the high profile lawyers like Gloria
35:20
Allred to come in and represent these women?
35:23
This runs deep. Thanks for covering this.
35:24
What a terrific question. Let me tell you the cynical
35:28
answer. I don't have a synic cap.
35:31
I have a skeptical cap behind me.
35:34
You guys see that beautiful skeptical hat right there?
35:36
That bowler. This is my synic hat.
35:39
OK? High profile and powerful
35:42
lawyers like Gloria Allred take cases because it raises their
35:47
profile and makes them more powerful, not primarily because
35:53
they care about their client. I think they do care about their
35:56
clients. I mean, they're not, they're not
35:59
automatons, but primarily it's they do it to raise their
36:06
profile and increase their power.
36:08
I think that's the cynic in me. OK, not just Gloria Allred, but
36:13
high power attorneys like her for sure.
36:17
If this case made it to prime time network television, I
36:25
guarantee you we would see Gloria Allred sitting next to
36:28
Sabrina Atkins or, or, or this woman Jamie here.
36:34
I guarantee you. But because it's only court TV
36:38
and law and crime and YouTube, they're not, they're not around.
36:44
They're not around. Hey, there was a question about
36:47
expungement. TLC.
36:49
Carol, do you guys know what expungement of a charge is?
36:52
Yeah, expungement means basically that it never
36:56
happened. It you have no more criminal
37:00
record, it's it's expunged, it is deleted, it is extricated and
37:06
and destroyed from the record as if you had never committed the
37:11
crime and been convicted in the 1st place.
37:13
And it's a good, it's a good tool for prosecutors to use for,
37:19
you know, first time offenders and stuff like that.
37:21
It's good. OK See if there's anything
37:28
striving for Titus 2. If you're curious, read about
37:31
the past few years in the surrounding counties.
37:33
Yeah, I, I think all of Appalachia, all of all coming up
37:37
into the Rust Belt. I think any, I, I live in a town
37:42
that got hit in the 1990s by a huge drug epidemic and has not
37:49
bounced back yet. So, you know, I'm fully aware of
37:56
the kinds of stories that are happening here.
37:58
I would imagine that they're happening all throughout
38:01
Appalachia. Let's see if there are a couple
38:04
of others before we go. Yeah, Mooney, let's not forget,
38:13
regardless of what the judge did, Mickey didn't have the
38:15
right to take his life. Of course, 100% money.
38:17
And thanks for bringing that up. And that's why I say he's the
38:20
victim, right? I mean, he was shot dead.
38:25
No judge, jury, you know, got to got to see him or see evidence
38:32
against him. Mickey just I think in a
38:36
paranoid manic state. I think now it is it has not
38:42
been proven true. It has been talked about, but I
38:46
think he, in a weird manic state, did indeed kill the judge
38:55
and did indeed, I mean, took his life and didn't, didn't have the
39:01
right to do that. And that does make Kevin Mullins
39:04
a victim. It's just what's funny is that I
39:08
haven't heard any. I haven't heard stories about
39:12
Mickey yet. So far, all I've heard is that
39:18
Mickey was a good guy. I mean, we just heard it from
39:20
Jamie here. Yeah, he's a good guy.
39:23
He must have lost his mind, right?
39:26
So and and is it, I mean, we know the defense is going to be
39:32
a like an insanity defense. I'm curious if the kind of one
39:41
of the components of that will be what Ned Pillarsdorf called a
39:46
time to kill defense, right? Maybe like it, maybe it just
39:51
made perfect sense in the mind of Mickey Stein's and maybe it
39:58
maybe a jury would buy this, that it made sense in Mickey
40:01
Stein's mind that that it was a time to kill.
40:09
That's I don't know. I don't know, Mooney.
40:13
Great, great, great comment. Love it.
40:17
Mooney's one of our O GS and one of our amazing moderators by the
40:21
way and reflections with Kimberly agrees with me also
40:28
asked. So there's no dirt at all on
40:29
Mickey, not that I have found or that anybody has brought to me.
40:34
Now, having said that, let me let me come back over to my
40:39
website for a second guys. If you go to my support me page,
40:45
you will see there is a send a package link.
40:49
You can send a package to PO Box one O 4 Franklin, PA 16323.
40:55
If you have any dirt. Not that I'm like in the I'm,
41:00
I'm not like TMZ here, but if you have any evidence that you
41:07
want to anonymously get into the hands of somebody that can do
41:11
something about it, you can send it there.
41:14
There's also a Dropbox link in the description below.
41:18
If you don't, if you don't care about being anonymous, OK, you
41:22
can also reach out to me by clicking on this.
41:25
Oh, while we're here, so many different ways to support me.
41:28
One of the ways that you can support me is by supporting my
41:31
moderator, Autumn, if you feel like it.
41:33
And if you can please buy her coffee.
41:36
But another way you can reach out to me is by clicking this
41:39
little link up here and going to the contact me page and giving
41:43
me information. OK, Now listen, if you give me
41:46
information, it's got to be actionable information, OK?
41:52
I you don't have to, but but I appreciate it if you would give
41:56
me your name and number so that, so that we can talk or one of my
41:59
volunteers can call or Elizabeth can call, OK, and, or e-mail or
42:04
talk to you so that we can, we can help bring this stuff to
42:08
light. But so far, Mickey, Mickey's
42:12
been kind of in the clear. Sherry, though, says the sheriff
42:18
knew everything that was going on.
42:20
And that is what Sabrina Atkins and Jennifer Hill allege, right?
42:25
They allege that that he either knew or should have known what
42:31
was going on when Ben Fields was essaying these women.
42:35
And at least one other that we know about, but probably many,
42:40
many, many others. So very interesting.
42:48
Let's see if reflections of Kimberly, I honest believe all
42:55
victims who are criminals or not deserve justice.
42:57
Yeah, I do, too. And that's one of those things
43:00
where, you know, talking about one of the local jails out here
43:06
in western Pennsylvania. I reached out to the prison
43:09
board for comment on some allegations that were being
43:12
made. And one of the members of the
43:15
prison board goes, Gavin, listen, who's talking to you
43:18
here? They're convicts.
43:21
I know they are. It doesn't mean that it's
43:23
untrue. And if it's true, that person is
43:28
a victim, right? So yeah, I don't want to go in
43:34
in circles on this, but I think I think we're all pretty much on
43:37
the same page. If we're not, feel free to reach
43:39
out and set me straight. I don't mind debate.
43:43
I don't mind disagreement as long as it is not disagreeable.
43:51
OK, we'll be back tomorrow night, 7:30 PM Eastern.
43:57
I do guys. I do want to give you guys a
43:59
heads up that I will not be. What day is that Next Wednesday
44:08
is which is the 19th, is the 26th anniversary of the blessed
44:16
nuptials of me with my snuggly bear, my 1:00 and all name my my
44:21
sweetie pie Kimberly, and we are going.
44:26
We're going out that night. So I won't be here on Wednesday
44:29
the 19th, but I should be here all week this week unless
44:33
something happens at work that requires me to to not be here.
44:39
But that that's the exception, not the rule.
44:41
OK, Remember that you can reach out to me and I wish you would
44:45
through your website, gavinfish.com.
44:47
There's a link down in the description below.
44:49
Also, see this little fishy up in the corner?
44:51
Click that. Join us over in the tank.
44:54
Join us over in the tank. And that is where we hang out on
44:59
Facebook and talk all things true crime.
45:03
And you know what? Right now I am looking for more
45:09
volunteers to admin for the fish tank, so if you have experience
45:13
being a Facebook group moderator or administrator, I would love
45:19
you to reach out. How do you do that, you ask?
45:23
Right here, this little icon right here.
45:26
And if you are interested in doing that, I would.
45:31
I would welcome the help. I'll have one of my volunteers
45:34
reach out to you. Also while I've got you on the
45:36
website, remember that we've got true crime articles that are
45:40
published everyday over on Crime Cod.
45:44
Crime Cod is my true crime news website.
45:47
You can also sign up for the newsletter.
45:51
It when you go here the first time, it'll pop up, but also you
45:55
can go down to the bottom of either crimecod.com or
45:59
gavinfish.com. If you go all the way to the
46:00
bottom, you can sign up for the Crime COD newsletter and I would
46:04
love it if you would you join about 3000 other people that get
46:09
my I call it a dive San Cuando newsletter.
46:14
It doesn't come out every day. It comes out once a week, twice
46:18
a week, something like that. Whenever I have something to
46:20
say. A couple final comments.
46:26
Mason's Nana says everyone deserves justice.
46:29
I agree. I agree.
46:32
Tammy asks. Well, hello from North
46:34
Mississippi. Glad you're here.
46:36
When is Mickey's trial? It's been over a year.
46:38
Hopefully these women are getting all, getting this all
46:41
documented. I don't think his trial will be
46:44
for at least another year, maybe 2.
46:47
This, this one's a tough one. They're not going to push for a
46:49
speedy trial. There's just so much.
46:52
So we're going to keep our eyes on it.
46:54
And maybe I can't remember who what, who said it before.
46:59
Maybe this is one of those that has multiple trials, hung
47:03
juries. He never gets convicted.
47:05
It's possible, but we'll keep our finger on the pulse.
47:10
Look for me on hillbilly crime sometime this week.
47:12
I we haven't nailed it down, but we probably will do that in the
47:16
next couple of days. And with that, guys, I think
47:19
that's it. I bid you, I do you.
47:21
Thank you very much for being here and I'll see you on the
47:24
next one. Take care.
47:26
Thank you very much for watching this video.
47:28
If you liked what you saw, please consider subscribing.
47:32
And if you have any questions or comments, please leave them
47:34
below.