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- Revisitation Rightspod: Welcome to the Revisitation Rights Podcast. I'm Pat. Hi, Brandon. I'm Justin. You you could tell Brandon's a little lit right now because he's fucking ear to ear, fucking smile. Just cheesing. Hey, I I'm I'm podcasting podcasting on my vacation. I'm out here in Stockholm. So it's one AM. This time, I don't know what time it is over there in the States, but Man, I'm gonna take a flight out there. I wanna skate out there so bad. Yo, it's it's definitely a vibe. It's definitely a vibe. So now, if you're out there, why didn't you just do since we're doing ⁓ from Germany, why don't you just, you know, slide to Germany and do it live from Germany? I don't know if Germany likes me the way that they do over here in this country. What made what made you say that? I I I don't know, but you know, I was very surprised to come out here to Stockholm and see A lot more melanin than what's advertised. Like I'm seeing dreads, I'm seeing gold. I'm like, yo, this is lit. I was out somewhere last night and they had like a New York City, I guess, like subway plate in the club with all like the the subway signs. Look like they stole it and they just put it on there. So I was like, Hey, you know, New York is ⁓ international. Is it New York every ⁓ Alright, I guess ⁓ we'll wind up ⁓ being short on this episode. ⁓ because it's fucking pouring here and I know for a fact I know for a fact that my wifi's gonna cut out for some reason. Well, not for some reasons, because it's shit, but it is what it is. Alright, so Today we are doing ⁓ released in 1931, currently ranked number 110 with a score of eight on IMDB score of 8.3, a combined 97.5 Rotten Tomato score. ⁓ I couldn't find the budget, which was weird. I mean, it's almost 100 years ago, so whatever. But ⁓ I was able to find that at the time it made a $35,000 return, which with inflation would be $758,000. ⁓ log line is when the police in a German city are unable to catch a child murderer, other criminals join the manhunt. ⁓ written by ⁓ fuck, I'm gonna mess this up. Theo von Har Harbaugh and Fritz Lang, based on an article by Egon Jacobson, directed by Fritz Lang, starring Peter Lohr, Ellen Whitman, and Inga Langut. Langut. Langut. All right. So It's ranked number 110. ⁓ what do you guys think about 110? Hey man, this shit was old. Justin. It wasn't even black and white. It was some kind of other shit. Yeah, bro, it was like, yo, the no audio when there was no dialogue, that was like I was like, Did the movie shut off? And I'm like, ⁓ no, wait. I'm like I looked ⁓ I turned around for two seconds, like I get distracted and then it cuts off. I'm like, ⁓ movie's still on okay. So what do you think of one ten? You think it's fair, not fair? I think we have to come back to that at the end. I think it would probably be easier After we've seen all 250 to maybe do our own alignment of read adjusting. Cause ⁓ what is this like number six or five that we've done so far? Nah, some number eight. Number eight. Yeah. So where would where would you rank it in the eight that we've done so far? It would be one. So I would probably put this probably at the bottom and then clockwork right above it. Hmm. And I'm I'm saying clockwork just because of, you know, the cinematography aspects, everything that's also like included with that. But I don't know, this was a fucking tough movie to get through. Like it I I think I tried to watch this movie like three or four times. That's yo, I was dying when it did that. You know what I'm saying? I was like, ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ my gosh. I was like, ⁓ what is this? But so I I guess I'm the only one here who liked it. No, I liked it. I think it was a good movie. I think it's it's it's very true to what's going on today. I meant this can apply to everything current. ⁓ it was just well, I would say the first half was slow. And then the second half, I think that's when things really picked up. But you gotta get to the second half first. Yeah. So let me put a couple of things in particip but perspective for you guys. So the ⁓ Talkies, which were when there was first dialogue into movies, they call ⁓ they called them talkies. Started in nineteen twenty-seven or nineteen twenty-eight, something like that. So this movie was made in nineteen thirty-one. So it's right at the beginning of when they started adding dialogue and sound to movies. ⁓ I don't know if you guys paid attention to the sound design of it, but for it to be one of like one of the firsts, I guess you would call them. You obviously they may probably made, you know, dozens at before that, but figure one of the first hundred films that had, you know, dialogue and specific sound design, like that whistle was creepy as fuck. The the song the kids were singing in the beginning, like all that shit. Yeah, that was scary, bro. Creepy. So the mom's like, yo, I told you. He walked so pretty cool. See, I I I was gonna go I was gonna go there later because you have a lot of things in here that a lot of modern day movies kind of take stuff from. So like if you kind of think about it, this was one of the I guess first of like the modern day like police procedural. Cause you can kind of give it that it had that, you know, police procedural feel to it. Aside from you know the mob and everything like that. ⁓ it had like a effect to it. Yeah. But it it the only thing that really ⁓ kind of felt and like you have a kid with a balloon. What horror movie do we know? It that Lore that Lori's in kids with balloons. You got it and then Freddie Krueger's the killing kid so Allegedly. lot of modern Allegedly. Alleg there's no allegedly. Freddie Freddie was murdering. Allegedly. Because we never found that out. We we know. We know. Freddie Freddie was out there raping kids. Allegedly. They never remember he you know, he was never he was never convicted. Yeah, but you know, there's a reason why they burnt them. There's a reason why they got burnt. They're not just gonna burn a janitor. Yeah. But anyway, as I was saying, it was more the sound design of it struck me as like a crazy high point because of how new sound was to film at the time. And you know, today has all that fucking ASMR fucking every time you click you hear the fucking click and like seven different speakers behind your head. Like, nah, that that's not sound design. That's just some bullshit. But the way that they had the whistle, the Even when like the the balloon salesman, like he heard the whistle, he froze up. 'Cause you know, it's like he's like, ⁓ shit, this guy's coming. So it was more I I felt the sound design was definitely a little better than the cinematography, but the cinematography was more kind of felt had like a subtle like a subtle calmness, like everything was there for a reason. Like the empty space told shit, the empty space told the story. Shadows told the story. The sometimes it was overexposed, told a story. So I you know, it was it was a very subtle sound design, but ⁓ cinematography, but it was still like great cinematography. Just a little, you know, toned down than what ⁓ a lot of films at the time were. My take. Yeah. Yeah, there was one s ⁓ scene that really stuck out to me was the scene where they're like marching and there's just like no sound at all. And you know, I'm kinda like looking from like with like lighting sources as they're like walking in between, it's like that those two buildings and you see them walking in and out and it's just like completely silent. ⁓ I thought that was done really beautifully. Yeah, I mean th there's a lot of beautiful stuff, but it wasn't like overboard, which was great. So like as much as I love the Grapes of Rass cinematography, like it felt very artsy. And but this one didn't feel artsy. It felt very purposeful. Which, you know, I l I like more subtle, purposeful cinematography. Yeah. But but that's just me. You know, a lot of people like the pretty pictures and the the ADHD style. So I mean you nowadays you got right, you got ADHD cinematography, you got fucking can't focus ASMR audio. It's it's annoying to me. I just find it a little annoying. Yeah. But ⁓ Yeah, it's like you know, they're fucking you hear him typing, you hear that shit fucking everywhere. Like no, I I I don't I don't need to be that immersed into typing. Listen. So Who are you taking? Pennywise or Hans? ⁓ Pennywise. The original Pennywise. Pennywise is an alien He's an alien though, right? Yeah. I thought he was like a speaker something. It's like a demon, I think. Demon alien? They all built the pyramids, so doesn't matter. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They did not. I'm saying, Lino, you can't let Justin be the only one throwing conspiracy theories out to every show. I I gotta throw, you know, once every once in a while. Hey man, conspiracy boys is up. They've been up. Last two years, man. We've been we've been we've been yo the amount of I told you souls it's been great. But like told you. So are you are you saying that so are you saying that it you think that Stephen King got that idea from this movie without him actually explicitly saying that, or did he state that he got this idea kind of from this story? ⁓ I've never I've never ⁓ looked into it or anything, but I'm just saying, like it's you know, I mean it but I I I do I I do feel elements of this movie of ⁓ being like a trendsetter in a way. You know, kinda like Like at the time, all those up and coming filmmakers that were going to film school, they were watching this movie. Bar hands down. They were studying this movie in and out, especially with the sound design implementation. ⁓ you know, we cracked jokes 'cause it came out in nineteen thirty one, but like for it to be at one ten, like, I can definitely see why it's still at one ten. because it's definitely kinda like a catalyst to, you know, like how Pat said, like modern filmmaking. Yeah, definitely. I c you could see just in every scene, like there was just like even the song they were singing in the beginning could be one, two, Freddy's coming, you know. It's just there's so many different things that could have just been pulled from there. Yeah, and the story itself too, like, you know, this vile guy, you know, preying on children and you also have the mob and, you know, trying to like infiltrate with the police too and trying to stop him too. ⁓ the amount of like pu you know, almost like implementing martial law in order to catch the guy, you know. You know, it kinda it's like while I was watching, I like, Okay, they're you know, they're definitely using this case as an excuse to like, you know, police the entire their entire state. So I'm like Like, dude, this is just this is going on modern day pretty much. You know, you know, all around the world. So Yeah, it's very timeless. Yeah. I mean, like the how old it is. Yeah, like the theme is like that theme has not changed ever. It's it's still something that we're trying to address these days in terms of how to protect kids and I know I think the education is a lot better today because obviously if you're having kids now you're telling them about like stranger danger, but ⁓ I you know, I would have to actually look look into the history around that time period of the nineteen thirties to see how much education was taught to the kids. But I would hope that you would be telling, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what what? I didn't get any Stranger Danger talk when I was and that was in nineteen eighty something. See, I got Stranger Danger when I was a kid. No, we just ⁓ I mean technically we got don't get it you know don't get into any cars with strangers. That's pretty much it. I I thought your generation was, you know, the you know, don't pick up take candy from strangers because, you know, it might have like razor blades in them or something. Nah. We used to so where I grew up, it was you know, it was one, two, three, four, five, six apartment buildings. What was it? Sixteen floors per building, twenty apartments per floor, whatever it was a massive area. We would in Halloween, every fucking building, every floor, every door. So we we used to come with like bags and bags of candy. That candy lasted us for at least six months. For Halloween block party. What? Razorblades and all. You mean they weren't giving you So you you're saying they weren't giving you like celery and carrot sticks for Halloween? No? Nah, it was it was candy. Hummus and like something and pita chips. No, definitely not. But like sometimes we would go we would purposely go by my grandma and you know, she she lived in like a an area with houses, you know, not just apartments and stuff. So ⁓ we would go to that area and sometimes you get to the old lady's house, they throw a dollar in the bag. So sometimes you're emptying. You made ten bucks too as a kid. That you know, and ten bucks in the eighties went a long way. Now it might be you might get a gallon of gas, maybe nowadays. Ten bucks is like lunch for the week. Especially during school days. What? I got free lunch, so ten bucks was going into ⁓ going to like Met Game, 'cause I grew up right by Shea Stadium, so we would go with the Met Games. Even though I'm a Yankee even though I'm a Yankee fan, Met Games. 'Cause we couldn't afford the Yankee State, you 'cause then you had to, you know, you had to hop the tri different turnstiles to the train to get to whatever. It's too much work. But we could just walk to Shea Stadium. ⁓ So what's up? Said Brand, you alright, you good? No, he just said I mean he's he said ba he said baseball, so you know, it kinda made me almost want a vomit in my mouth, but How dare you? How dare you? I I bet I bet you Hans Hans was a baseball fan. No, he definitely was not. No, he's Football is remember that's the number one sport. I mean it's still the number one sport in the world, but they definitely were watching. Yes. No football. Football. No soccer. Soccer. It's called football. Everywhere else but America. Foot. Football. Yes, F U T D O L. No, it's called soccer. Football. Fuck all that soccer, goddammit. So Brandon let me ⁓ let me ask you a question. ⁓ Did you did you how much mental health did you find in this film? I think I know that's your number one I know that's your number one go to for films, so. I mean, there it definitely could be made a a case, especially at the ends when the mob has him and they're talking to him and the lawyer is saying, Hey, you know, he deserves a fair trial and he's kind of explaining, like, I don't underst you know, I don't remember doing this. I kinda have like this urge and then I kinda snap out of it and I kinda feel bad. I mean, that could be something that you could look further into, but also we're talking about the nineteen thirties, so mental health and looking into that, that type of study definitely wasn't around. But now the you could argue that the entire film was on people's mental state instead of mental health, right? Because he's doing these he was, you know, committing the, you know, the serial killer as a more of a compulsionary act, right? Where when he was confronting the mob, he's like, hey, I do it compulsory, you do it for profit. Basically. So, you know, we have that part of it and then you have like the whole mass hysteria for everybody. You know, and then you have the with the mob, they're judging a killer. You know, so all that ties into like the mental state of everybody, especially fear, because the entire area was scared. You know, they were struck in fear. And that kind of shows you how it makes people like fear will make them cruel, irrational, you know, and then suspicious of everybody. Kind of like so this also I think was more kind of how we do fear mongering today. This was like them showing how they did fear mongering back in the day also. So, like, you know, I, you know, this guy, this group of people, they're blah, blah, blah, blah. So not everybody hates this group of people. So it's just fear mongering in a different type of ⁓ in a different uniform to me. And ironically, you got the serial killer, you have the mob, and then you have the police, right? And ironically, throughout the movie, they're all feared. Mm-hmm. Within their own right. And nobody had any fucking morals. Like they're all fucked up. Yeah. What this movie showed me too is like You can't judge anyone ⁓ especially if you are in some sort of gang or mob, you know, you have no right to judge a killer who kills compulsively as you kill the prophet. Mm-hmm. You know? And it's just like it's it it was ⁓ it was an interesting Oxymoron just watching all that unfold. Like they're all feared within their own right. You know, the parents are going crazy, like, yo, we're looking for our kids, and the police kind of like barking through the door and we're like, Well, we gotta investigate. You know what I mean? They're like, Was it you? He's like, No, it wasn't me. So it was like it was ⁓ you know, and and the cops would display that attitude if like you try Be like, yo, like, what are you doing? They're like, ⁓ you know. So fear was very, very prominent throughout the entire film and everyone's mind state was kind of cooked because of just frenzy. Just frenzy twenty four seven. You can't be safe throughout the day 'cause you got the mob asking for rent. You know, you got the police hounding you. And then at night you can't even relax because there's a cericular on the loose. Yeah, you gotta keep an eye on your kid at all times. You know? So it's just it's just constant it's just constant unrest and constant fear. When everyone is doing wrong within their own right. Within those three. So I I know Brandon's not home, so I don't know if this joke is gonna hit, but is that the the smoke alarm in the hotel? ⁓ no, that's me, man. That's you. You don't change the batteries in your smoke alarm? Come on. Nah, I had to do it one time and for the culture. Next week next week we'll have the bat Next week there'll be no beep. Yeah, next week no beep. This week we had to get one in, you know? Hey, I'm not in one of those hotels that has smoke alarms, so Mine's updated too. Mike goes bee. I know, I hear the double beep. I'm like, ⁓ shit, he got a fancy one. Got a little ring to it. So now ⁓ and carbon dioxide. So Hans, huh, is kind of a do you think he's meant to be strictly hated, or do you think ⁓ the director and writer Fritz Lang was trying to make it trying to make you understand where he was coming from as opposed to just outright hated? Because there was some parts in there where, you know, you're s you know this kid is killing kids. But yet you do kind of feel a little bit Like damn, that's fucked up what they're doing to him kind of thing. So it's like no, no? No, not at all. No, I d I I felt a little bit I was like, hey, you Nah I don't like that shit. Bring the octane. Alleged allegedly. So you d you don't think it makes it meant to be understood? You thought it was just just hunt ⁓ don't worry about anything else, just hunt them. So I think that there is a like a ⁓ I mean it's nuanced because there's like multiple levels in terms of when you're looking into a serial killer, like there's it's not just there's a lot of complexity, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Mm-hmm. I don't know, it sounds like a little bit of a cop out. He he was a v he was a very interesting character. I feel like they did try to give him some insight and try to give him like the Arthur Fletch kind of vibes. Like, you know, damn. But ⁓ at the end, I was like, I don't like anybody involved, bro. No, nobody had any kind of morals whatsoever. I was like, yo, let's just bomb this entire Well, they did ten years later, but you know Jesus Christ. I'm just saying. You know, twelve years later, whatever. That's kind of dark. Alleged allegedly. No, that's not allegedly. Right? We get we you just have to say allegedly, right? But so you don't get sued for slander? Just say allegedly? Yeah, I was just like, yo, what is wrong with everybody, bro? I was like, the water's not good over there, bro. I don't like I gotta clean up water something, bro. No nobody has any kind of morals, but then they still try to make you Feel for it. I mean, try to. Like, you know, they obviously they had to have a story and everything, but it was like a moralist society. I kind of felt ghastly. I felt like feeling bad for him was also feeling like trying to justify it like a girlfriend cheated on me. That makes sense. No, it is. You know, I mean I'm bad to her. I get it. I make mistakes. But on ⁓ his Wi Fi went out. ⁓ but no, like i i if you look at if you look at people who are doing crazy things in terms of I don't know, if you look at like Ted Bundy for example, you know, he was a serial killer and his life is very complex when we actually go into it. So I think they were kind of trying to go into that with ⁓ this character as well. Yeah. And now they're making like TikTok memes of this dude, like, ⁓ he's he's not that bad looking. People always like Ted Bundy. Like that's crazy, bro. So like that that bit of like trying to empathize with the bad guy's always been ⁓ Yeah, you always gotta empathize with the bad Trying to give the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I mean even if ⁓ I'm not sure you're ⁓ familiar with ⁓ Richard Ramirez, who was like a killer in the you know, the night stalker, but women were really into him and he I mean if you actually go back to l like listen to his story in terms of like how he became him, he had a very, very traumatic childhood. So I I I think there it that I think that's what I mean with complexities when you look at serial killers and people who do things because there's something that kind of triggers and sets them off to where they start to go down like that downward slippery slope. Yeah. It's just little by little type of thing. Until there's like they break that kind of veil. A veil of it's going complete psycho. Yeah, we actually didn't get to learn until his backstory either. I like that though. I was assuming he was involved in some sort of like traumatic war experience or maybe neglected as a child or something. I don't know. Yeah, right? Because when did ⁓ What was World War One? It ended in nineteen twenty something? Maybe he could have been experimented on twenty something. Maybe he was also kind of, you know, had some s someone could have been doing something to him as well. That's also a thing. I it's it's 'cause that's like a pattern, you know, psycho ⁓ psychologically, hurt people hurt people. So it's like some it's like a pattern that you probably experience something traumatic and you don't know how to deal with it. So it comes out in other ways to other and terms of how you show off to other people that type of trauma. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It'd be happening. Psych like psychologically that's a thing. Like if someone tweaks out randomly it's probably something they haven't dealt with for a long time. I mean, we we just used to have a term back in the day called crazy. Could just be crazy. Yeah, but we've evolved as as a society now, so we have better terms for that. I don't know. I don't know. No, no, no. You just call it something different. You call it something safe. That's all. Not evolved. Not all progression is good. I think if you look at back at any person who has been who has done anything, there is a underlying ⁓ underlining thing of trauma that kind of tipped over in terms of why they are, who they are and how they act and how they behave. But you can go the other way with also. My internet's all fucked up. I'm probably gonna be lagging behind everybody. Mm fuck. God damn it. Guys can hear me or no? I can hear you. Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah. Damn, everybody's frozen. So since they're frozen, I'm gonna take I'm probably talking over them now and I don't even know if it's recording. But do not get T Mobile home internet. Don't do ⁓ everybody's moving now. I don't know if I ⁓ we're back. I was just I was just talking shit, so I don't know. This internet it it's at zero. So I don't know what's going on. The government heard you. And they said, We've spoken. Hey, fuck that, cut ⁓ off. Anybody got a hot take? I know I know it's a hard movie to have a hot take. I I know it's a hard movie to have a hot take about, but I wish we could just add some ⁓ In the ⁓ when it's dead silent, I'm just like, yo, a little something, bro, please. ⁓ sometimes silence speaks more. I know, but I'm like every time I thought it was gonna turn off. I was like, This is the end of the film. They start talking again. I'm like after like the fourth time, I was like, okay. Now I wonder if there's like an English dub version. How are you doing that? See now now that now that's something that I could get behind AI doing. I I would watch this again ⁓ with some AI ⁓ dubbing. With the exact like voice and everything too. Yeah, they got cra it's crazy now with the AI dubbing they do. It's wild. ⁓ so no hot takes, huh? So I have one. I don't know if this is a maybe it's just a hot take in general, but my hot take might be that as a soci as a society, sometimes you need to take control if the government is not doing enough. So now who who decides that? if we get enough people collectively because it just seemed that the police force was not moving fast enough and there was that scene where they were showing that, Hey, we're working, we're doing all this and they weren't doing shit. So I think maybe nineteen thirty one that might work. Twenty twenty six, you can't even get two people in the same family to agree on something. And but I think but you could also make a case that that's a part of the plan is that is systematically to divide us when in reality we're are much closer and we should always be together as much as possible. But we're not as different as what everything is portrayed. But obviously there are systems that try to pit us against each other so that we continue to fight amongst ourselves while we're not actually looking at the real root and the problem. Like we're not actually addressing that. But now there was a government that got overturned recently, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. I saw head. But now to counterpoint, whose fault is that? The people's fault. And you're going to say it. You did. I'm I'm I'm saying it. So especially now with social media, it's never gonna it's never, it's only gonna get worse. Cause everybody wants that attention, whether it's right, wrong, they don't give a fuck. They just want to hear themselves talk. Yeah. Everybody just wants to hear them just get a podcast and call it a day. That's it. Yeah. But nah, there's no unfortunately, everybody would rather be different than do that. But especially in somewhere in America where there's just so many different people, you'll never maybe something like Taiwan or Japan or, you know, peop where there's kind of like more of the same mindset of people, you probably have a better chance of getting more of a majority to overthrow the government or something like that. Here? Absolutely not. You can't even get a fucking I bet you people can't even overthrow a neighborhood. People are too scared of the ⁓ of the CIA, man. Can't get all of us. So ⁓ allegedly. ⁓ I think my hot take would be it's I love my it's not really a serial killer movie. I think it's more about it kind of shows you what so like the killer is the spark that lights the the fire of how it's showing you how society panics, how everybody is like moral hypocrites. So just like we are in today's society, and then it kind of how when fear starts to, you know, creep into everybody's psyche, ⁓ it kind of gives people permission to become monsters to catch a monster kind of thing. So I I think it was more of along the lines of a ⁓ I think just the the serial killer part was just like the spark that started ⁓ the actual story, which to me was more public ⁓ Like a public reaction to a serial killer. So how they deal with it, how everybody else deals with it, all the morality of it, like ⁓ justice versus vengeance kind of thing. Like, all right, the police started wanting justi the families want justice, the mob wants vengeance. And the police start wanting vengeance, so it kind of starts to teeter the line, right? And then you got Like mass hysteria, hypocrisy, like all that shit into one. And the serial killer aspect is just that little tiny bit that pushes them over the edge into like a wild society. Kind of like the Joker, right? Where that little him killing Murray at turned everything into into chaos. It was just building up, building up, building up, turned it right into chaos. And I think that's actually what happened here as well. I don't know if it's a hot take, but that was my take. Yeah, I mean yeah, you ca it kind of just exposed how society, you know, goes about things and how law enforcement will go about things and how, you know, illegal conglomerates go about things. You know, they they always try and even though they're trying to solve this same issue, it's always for their own benefit. intent or for their own purpose. It's not for the common purpose of trying to make society better or safer. You know, they all have their own motive to do you know, what they have to do per se. Yeah, that's why that's why I kind of think it was a lot of fear mongering going on because of the ⁓ so like it just allows them to kind of fear and then go after what's foreign. So very similar to like how politics are run. Like, yeah, this side'll feed you fear about this, this side'll feed you fear about this. And neither one of ⁓ are really the issue. It's just you know, it's a hot button topic that will if you want to agree with it, you're gonna agree with it. So it's it's more felt like that. And that that's why I really, really like a lot of older movies. Just because what they were going through back then hasn't changed one fucking bit nowadays. And it's Yeah. Yeah, I I was also just thinking with ⁓ this is what happens when you have too many cooks in the kitchen, it's chaos because like nothing ever truly gets done successfully because you might all have like a common goal of like we want to do this, but then you want to do it this way, I wanna do it this way, I wanna do it this way, and we all like have the same common goal, but the measure to which we're trying to solve it is different. So yeah, we're all doing it different. different ways together and it just kinda breeds like inconsistency. Would you guys watch this again? Yeah. ⁓ yeah, I would. Yeah. Now since you watched it already, I know it probably took you guys a what, one or two times, three times maybe? Yeah. Like twice. Yeah. Twice. So now you know kind of what it's about. Would you be able to sit and watch it all the way through now? Or would you have to break it up? No, I could because I knew that ⁓ when we're getting to the second hour that shit's gonna really pick up the the pace is gonna really pick up. You didn't like the I see I liked the first half. I liked all the little 'cause I like picking out details and then tying them back later on. So like a l lot of those little like you pick up with the balloon salesman, you know, how when he first when he first, you know, with the first kid that you actually see him giving a balloon to, and then later, you know, you hear that whistle again and then the balloon salesman's like, ⁓ okay. This guy's about to ⁓ something's about to happen. Box someone box someone up again. But I I I like the a lot of little details in the beginning, like the song. The song kind of I mean nothing really happens with the song, but the song kinda tells you the story. You know, it kinda tells you what's gonna happen and not exactly, but like if you're looking at details, like there's hints in there about what's gonna happen with the story. And then, you know, just the the little details I really enjoyed. ⁓ but yeah, I would I would watch it again too, actually. And especially to s it and to kinda like take some notes. on you know, just how they made it, what they used, why they shot that shot, why certain things were mute, you know, like I would study all that. Like it's so yeah, I would watch this again. It's also European filmmaking, which is at the time was a whole lot different. American filmmaking. Pros and cons. What do you think is the biggest pro? Make him two biggest pros, two biggest cons of this film. So I'll I'll go with the first and then we'll just go down one. I would say probably the biggest pro would be Peter Laurie's performance. So I think him as Hans was the the choices he made to play it more of a he was more of a broken guy that was like dangerous instead of just a flat out like monster. I I think that was a I don't know if it was the director's choice or his choice, but I I thought that was definitely something that made the film better. If I think if he would have leaned more monsterish, it would have been a completely different movie. So I I like how he played like this broken guy. Like classic horror type stuff. If it was like a monster. Yeah, it would be teetering on like if he was just pure evil, I think it would have been more teetering like. Not exactly horror horror because it wasn't very gory. I mean it wasn't gory at all, but like No, like a slasher or something. More just like have that elevated horror feeling of today kind of thing. ⁓ don't use that word, Pat. I know I hate that shit, but I I I'm trying I'm trying to connect to the generation and what they call things. So we'll go elevated. Yeah, you're you're by generation. We're all the same generation. We're not the same generation. Definitely not. Just just XYZ, that's all. ⁓ the biggest con I would say probably It would be everybody else's performance. I think it kind of nobody was bad, but it did feel very for the time. Yeah, like it was the performances felt like dated for the time. Like there was nobody Peter Laurie obviously was like leagues and well tears and tears above everybody else. So it felt like you have a star acting in an indie film nowadays. Like you ever see ⁓ a place beyond the pines? With ⁓ Ryan Gosling, Bradley Cooper, Mahashala Ali, even men like crazy cast. But the people that and Ray Leota, so like those people in there, amazing. Amazing. But then you have like certain cops in there that are not, you know, then you have like What is it called again? A place beyond the pines. Behind the pines? Yeah, behind the pines, I think. Beyond the pines, sorry, beyond. The place beyond the pines. So that was actually filmed in upstate New York, actually. And it's it takes place upstate in New York too. But it's like so like you have those great everybody that's a name in there did ver like amazing. But then you have like certain people that weren't and you they felt like an indie actor. So it's like that stark contrast, and that's what a lot of it I think felt in here. Like he was just so good. And I don't know if he was just he was so good and made everybody else kind of feel Lesser than or if it was just you know, they just weren't they just weren't you know close to his level. That was my only only gripe would be the ⁓ the supporting actors kinda a little weak. ⁓ Pro Speak would be the actual would be the I think this this the story subject was would be a pro. I think it's something that is always gonna be uncomfortable to tackle, but I think these are movies and issues that we should definitely discuss as a society. Yeah. My I guess my only con would be ⁓ maybe some of the lighting choices. Although I'll I'll ⁓ Maybe I don't know, maybe for some black and white films it it's kinda difficult for me to get into it. But I understand I can't take too much away because I understand like the time. So I guess I'm I have to take a step back and really kind of think through the lens of this was shot in nineteen thirty, the nineteen thirties. It's not shot in the nineteen nineties or nineteen eighties where the the technology is so far advanced. Mm. You gotta remember they only had like one kind of light back then too. So it was like a big Frenzel, right? Yeah. For now. But it's like, you know, they didn't know how to really like soften it like we do now. Like you can you can literally wrap somebody's face in just soft light. So you can make eighty, ninety year olds with smooth skin, you know, just by the different types of diffusion and how much diffusion you use. You know, so they didn't have that back then. So it's a it's a lot of harsh shadows. You know, and the way they would soften it would be a lot of bouncing. But then once you start bouncing, you kinda kill the shadows. And everything in black and white is meant to be very shadowy. So But I mean, I I understand why. Like if you if you haven't shot black and white, then it's kinda it's kinda a little hard to understand the lighting in black and white. And especially like you want to tell a story in the shadows. You know, you just don't want shit like today, shit's just underexposed just for the sake of looking cool. You know, where Yeah, it's underexposed back then to the shadows, but there's a story there. You know, so when you when the when their camera starts moving and then those shadows start to illuminate a little bit, like you see something unfold. Like it could be a doorway there. It could be something like there's something in that shadow that we're either eventually gonna get to or it's just shadowed for a reason there. So I I think a lot of the it's like understated lighting. Which ⁓ it's a taste, like it You know, if you're not used to it, I can see how it comes off as like, mm, you know. But if you if you like that type of like understated lighting, yeah, I think it was pretty good. Yeah, which is surprising because ⁓ I meant my favorite show of all time is the Twilight Zone and it was done in black and white. I thought that the way that they lit that TV show was beautiful. But then I think that's what, like a 30 year difference. So there's obviously different techniques and ways that they were able to introduce. during that time period versus when they shot this movie. Yeah, that's that's night and day. Like Twilight Zone was probably one of the best looking shows of all time. To me personally. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I mean, aside from like you got like Better Call Saul, which was shot amazingly. I don't I don't know if you guys ever watched that, but the cinematography and lighting in Better Call Saul is unmatched for T V, personally. It's ridiculous. They shot it like a film. The whole thing is shot like a film. Why? Anamorphic woman? ⁓ no, I don't think Better Call Saul was anamorphic. But I I'm pretty sure season one was shot on the Scarlet. Okay. Pretty sure. Pretty sure. It was either that House of Cards, I don't remember. Black Hall. But ⁓ but yeah, they ⁓ they they definitely treated that show like ⁓ like a movie. But Aside from better calls all, like it it may like breaking bad was shot well. This is like a league above breaking bad. So, you know, it's it's something that's and you know, a lot a lot of T V shows try to try to emulate that now. They put like you know, they're trying to treat shows like movies now. And I I d I don't think it unless it's done like right, it it doesn't it feels like misplaced. But whatever. But Twilight Zone was an amazing looking show, like top to bottom. Yes. Yes it was. So it's it's kinda you know, you it it's unfair to kind of Compare something like, you know, thirty years, 'cause that was shot probably what, nineteen twenty nine, nineteen thirty. Yeah. You figure it take you know, cause back then it took a way longer to edit than it does now, but ⁓ you figure what? Twilight Zone was what, mid sixties? Late sixties? Yeah. At I believe mid to late sixties when it started. So you figure there's like a thirty, thirty five year difference. You know, so But yeah CBS I believe I believe also CBS was producing that show too. So I'm a sh assuming that they had access to a bigger budget. ⁓ yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Especially after like the first season, right? Because after season one it was I mean, obviously I wasn't alive, but I'm sure it was a hit after season one. It probably had a thousand gaffers or something. Justin, what's your pros and pros and con? ⁓ so pros. ⁓ I like the sound design on it. ⁓ it was really good. ⁓ the the the the mute turned yeah it threw me off for a bit. ⁓ but that's like something I kind of just poke at. But it's really good. ⁓ throughout the movie. ⁓ And the story as well, it's timeless. The fact just the fact that the movie alone is kind of just timeless. I think that's a big pro. And the con. ⁓ that finger wag man. I I wish that they had that. I was like, I was like, all right, let's get let's get past it. Cause like for me, that will throw I'll be like, I Man. I'm like I put my head back for a second, I was like, okay. That finger wag was insane. That's the ⁓ Matumbo say no. You know? You you will see I was like, ⁓ my god. ⁓ but yeah, which pretty much is kind of like in line with the you know, the supporting actors. ⁓ but I think that's the only con I have. I don't have ⁓ I don't really have any cons for the film. I like the way it was. Yeah, it's she old as fuck. But yeah, it's ⁓ I I liked it. Especially for her, I it surprised me. I was like, damn. I was like, This is good. You know? Yeah, it did it kind of did that too. Like like I was kind of with Brandon in the beginning, I was like, damn, shit's a little slow. Yeah. But then You know, as it got as it got on, like I I started I like, all right, let me let me lock in. And then ⁓ It proved I will say though, pro, it proved my it proved to me that my intention span is still is still pretty good. It's not completely fried? It's not. I don't have brain rot. I'm good, man. Yo, if you wanna figure out whether you got brain rotten out, watch and watch any black and white movie. Five minutes. You got pretty rock, bro. ⁓ man. But yeah. It was ⁓ it was good, man. I d I just saw, I just got an email from Tubi. They added a bunch of movies, and I just saw I've never ever seen my favorite movie of all time on streaming. So now I'm gonna I gotta go I gotta go check it out now. I haven't seen it the name? Like I have the ⁓ Streetcar Named Desire. Okay. I don't know if you've ever seen it, seen the play or anything like that, but I've seen it in school a couple times. You seen it in school? Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times. I took ⁓ kind of like like a like a film course in in high school. It was like One of those extracurricular courses you could take. I took that, we watched a whole bunch. We watched we must have watched like three or four Charlie Chaplin movies. ⁓ I forgot what they were off the top though. But yeah, we saw a streetcar named Desire. I s also seen it in reading class, like reading and writing class. Yeah, movie. And then we would have to like explain what the differences were. Yeah, that that that's one of the only few I've actually read the book and seen the movie. Yeah. 'Cause you know, me no read. So Me no Reed. Sorry. Yeah, no. But yeah, I gotta I gotta fucking I think I'm gonna watch that tonight, actually. ⁓ shit, pastana plate? Yeah, I had you know what f I fucked up. I had a ⁓ an energy drink at like I didn't finish it. So I started it at like eleven thirty. And then by the time I got around to finishing, it was like two thirty. Like two thirty. So I I'm in I'm in for a rough night. You up. Let's take a melancholy. Nah, that shit don't work. You are awake. So sub wet how's ⁓ how's Sweden? How how's Sweden that you could say on 'Cause I'm not gonna cut this out, I don't feel like editing anything. So we're just gonna let the whole episode go. But we are in the off the script, all thrills. All right. Yeah. ⁓ the food. Food is good. The food is good. ⁓ I I think tomorrow 'cause tomorrow really is our last day, so we're just gonna go I think we're gonna do the Viking Museum, we're gonna do the Royal Palace, we're gonna do like a boat tour, we're gonna go travel and see the subways underground. I been told that there's a lot of art and murals there. ⁓ but yeah, like it's it's crazy to live in New York City but then to be here and see absolutely no trash on the grounds and all the buildings look clean and you know it's just like why can't we have that over here? Right? Isn't that well that goes to the whole one people kind of thing. They all have similar mindsets. Yeah, which is weird because we're you know I'm talking to the receptionist today and it's ⁓ she she's like, you how do you like Sweden? I like, ⁓ I think it's really nice and then they're saying, ⁓ we wanna come to America everyone seems like so positive and like upbeats and I'm like, What? Don't we're positive and upbeat when we come here. Well when we're back home is a it's a different story. Yeah. But I mean again, you know, that perception of when you go to different countries and ⁓ other countries don't live somewhere, they have this perception. So, you know, I had that perception of here because I think I've read that this is one like the happier countries in the world, but then people still have this desire to come to America and we're walking around, we're seeing people like Jordans, they like our fashion is is so international that you see people wearing clothes and attire that does resemble what we wear on a day to day basis. Like you can s you can see the influences. The internet. I dig I did see a guy last night though, he had a kilt and he was rocking the sh yeah. Well, Shout out to Kilts. Shout out to Kilts. Shout out to Kilts, man. He killed that shit. Was it green and blue or red and ⁓ red and black? I think it was like green and like dark blue. He had that shit on though. He had that shit on. Bagpipes. White socks. Huh? Did he have the bagpipes? Was it a musician or was it just some guy wearing a kilt? No, he just came out of the bar for a sec. Uh-uh. Dang. I mean, I I I see guys in kilts all the time here. ⁓ no, I mean, you know, I'm yo, it it's a vibe. It's definitely a vibe. Well I I wouldn't call it a kilt, but kiltish. That's also a vibe. That's also a vibe. That's also a vibe. If if that's what you like, that's what you like. If you can rock it off, if you got that shit on, you got that shit on. Nah, I damn my legs are too big for that. It'll look funny. You gotta shave your legs too. ⁓ It's alright. No man, these are my these are my mini antenna sensors, man. So would you go back to Sweden? A thousand percent. Yeah. That's cool. I think I think they have I think I read it was like number five, I think, in the happiest or four of the happiest places in the world. Like for for people to live. Which is crazy because they They're saying that they're so depressed because it's like it's brick out here. It's it was like thirty something yesterday and we're doing like an outdoor ghost tour and I got the Michael Jackson shoes on, the socks with the pants, and I just have like this thin leather jacket and I'm like starting to shake like a Christmas tree. You didn't weat you didn't check the weather before you came before you went? ⁓ I got the hoodie on. ⁓ that's all I need. Gotta get thermals or something when you go out there. My cousin has a thermal jacket where he presses the button and it warms up. But me, I'm just like, nah, I'm gonna thug it out. Get a parking He's n he's nice and toasty. You're sitting there in front of He's nice and toasty. But he also lives in Florida, so it's always tropical. And it's not always tropical in New York City. You gotta get a palace jacket. Yes. That's the only time I've seen guns. That's the only time I've seen guns is at the palace. Like they got run up there if want to. Shorts. They just ⁓ Just not moving a muscle. Had to shoot. Had the camera work out? ⁓ or eight? ⁓ so far it's okay. I I wish I would have had the twenty four to seventy, but w not having the bag. Yeah, not having that bag. So I have like the little little pouch up here where the R eight and the fifty millimeter works perfect up there. But it's also been kinda like raining. It was snowing yesterday when I woke up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's are you you stayed in one spot or you kinda traveled across the country kind of thing? No, so it's weird because I don't know why I did this. ⁓ I feel like an idiot now because I come back in a month, I'm going to Denmark. But Denmark is right next to Sweden, so I should have just did these both together. Hey, you know, you're rich, so why not? I'm not rich at all. I'm a working I'm working class citizen. That's that's cool. Cause I remember when we when we went to Iceland when we when we landed ⁓ in Reykjavich, it was like sixty degrees. You know, it wasn't cold. Like we had a hoodie, like it was okay. But it was like a little rainy. So we didn't stay in the same place every day. Like we traveled across the whole ⁓ I guess it's an island. So we went across the whole the whole island there. And ⁓ so the first day we got there was sixty. When we got to the ⁓ when we woke up the next mor ⁓ the next morning, it was like half a foot of snow. Yeah. And we all we only went like Maybe fifty, sixty miles inland. That was it. Fucking half a foot of snow. Icel Iceland is beautiful, is it though? Because I've I've been told that it's a great place to to visit. ⁓ I loved it. It was probably probably my favorite trip that we've taken. ⁓ Frozen? Frozen? ⁓ That's the Wi Fi. Cheap ass fucking Wi Fi. ⁓ Justin, I think I did see like one or two skaters out here. ⁓ there you get back going. ⁓ Made it. Yeah, so Iceland was probably my favorite trip that we went on. Place to visit. Although Cuba was like a close second. So it was like Iceland and Cuba. And we did them back to back. So ⁓ We went from like hundred degrees to fucking half a foot of snow in a matter of a couple of weeks. But I Iceland was unless remember that's me this week because I come back later. I come back in a couple of days and then I'm here, I'm back in New York for like a day and a half and then I fly back out to Florida. ⁓ yeah, I'm I'm helping I'm helping a ⁓ friend with a documentary ⁓ on the beach. So I'll literally be on the beach in like three or four days. Damn. And then in the next month or two you'll be back in Denmark. Yeah, it's it it it was Sweden, Florida, going back to Florida and then Denmark. Damn. See? Rich. Damn. Yeah. Must be nice, right? Must be nice. ⁓ Which must be nice. Alright, finishing Is this working? Am I unfrozen? Need another one. All right. That's it. Revisitation right podcast and Pat.