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The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent vs The Trust · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh god. Oh my god.
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I want to hear everything, too.
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Technically, you could turn it up at this point.
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I could, but then, you know.
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What are we paying you for? Yeah, that's true.
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Hand jobs. I pay you in compliments.
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No, you don't. I said you did a great.
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You do a great job. You did.
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Thank you. I feel good now.
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Oh, man.
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You guys ever see that video of the orangutan on the runaway segue?
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Oh, I thought you were going to talk about the monkey that has sex with a frog
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until it dies.
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I mean, you're just funnier.
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Oh, you haven't seen that.
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Yeah. Oh, man. I think into a love love.
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Yeah, it was at the zoo.
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He just like grabs it and like
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until the frog does or the monkey dies.
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The frog. Oh, I thought the monkey died.
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No, he's funnier if the monkey throws it to death and like right
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in front of a bunch of kids and stuff.
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Oh, man.
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Well, there goes my segue joke.
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Anyway, welcome back to Cage Match colon, a roundabout way of meeting Nicholas Cage.
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I'm your host, Sean, here with avid monkey lover.
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I'm Nick. And I love monkeys.
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And our producer.
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Peter, I don't love anything right now.
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You let us into your house, Peter.
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That's true. You kind of asked for this.
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I did. Yes. So this is Cage Match.
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It's 64 Nick Cage movies going head to head bracket style.
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We sort of seeded them and put them in different categories of funny,
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serious, fucking weird action.
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Yeah. Tough guy. That's okay.
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We kind of got two tough guys this week.
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Hey, thanks for noticing.
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I've been working out a little more.
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Hey, hi, yo.
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No, this is actually the funny bracket.
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Yeah. Oh, God.
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Really?
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How do you think it was the tough guy bracket?
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I just rewatched The Trust and it is not funny.
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Oh, it's hilarious.
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It has its moments.
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At least two thirds of it is hilarious.
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Yeah. And there's sprinklings of great even after that.
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Well, go on.
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Why don't we just get right into it then?
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The Trust starring Nicholas Cage and Elijah Wood.
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Banger of it.
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What was your favorite Elijah Wood movie?
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Currently, The Trust.
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It's up there. It really is.
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I mean, I love Elijah Wood.
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I always have. He's always got a lot of stuff.
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He gives a great performance in everything.
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Yeah, like I think I'm maybe one of the only people in the world
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that liked North, but that really stood out to me.
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And this is all like the biography of Kanye's kid, right?
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Correct. Yeah.
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Kanye's kid is Elijah Wood.
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He plays Northwest.
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Correct. OK.
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So The Trust and Nicholas Cage and Elijah Wood play two evidence room
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cops working in Las Vegas, going nowhere fast.
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Elijah Wood's life sucks.
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So does Nicholas Cage.
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Nick Cage's level with his dad played by Jerry Lewis, of all people.
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Yeah. Who would have guessed he was still doing things?
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Well, he wasn't after this movie because then he died.
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Yeah. I mean, I thought he was dead before this.
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Yeah. Peter and I had talked about that.
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We're like, did you know Jerry Lewis was alive in 2016?
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Well, I mean, I read that they like had to have him.
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It's got to be Jerry Lewis.
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Why? He doesn't do fucking anything.
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OK. Yeah. And we're friends.
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And apparently, Nick Cage just wanted to be in a movie with him.
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So asked him to.
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Nicholas Cage plays Jim Stone and Elijah Wood plays Waters.
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He has a first name, too, but it's David.
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Oh, David. It's Elijah Waters.
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Elijah Waters.
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They know each other better than Elijah Woods.
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I'm a pro. There's also Elijah Wind.
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Elijah Hart.
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Oh, you beat me to it.
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By your powers combined, I am a decent character actor.
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Yeah. Have you watched his episode of Hot Ones?
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It's really good.
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I mean, I like Hot Ones.
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Yeah. Easy show to watch.
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It's interesting because he really speaks with reverence
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about Nick Cage and that performance and what he brings to the table.
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And I feel like that's pretty consistent narrative across the board.
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Yeah. Well, what I saw, I was only able to find one interview about this film,
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and it was just Elijah Wood and the director.
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And Elijah Wood was just talking about how he'd always wanted to work with the cage
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and how, you know, consummate, professional and great
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and brought a lot of energy to the performance.
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Fun fact, they had two days to read and rehearse the script before filming started.
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Well, he nailed it then, because Nick Cage's character
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I thought was very well performed.
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I thought both of them were great.
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Well, yes. But we're here to talk about Nick.
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Yeah. For a 2016 film starring Nicholas Cage,
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the production values on this were good.
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His mustaches were great.
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The mustache was great.
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His acting was peak good.
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Cage overall, really good cage.
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I was a little disappointed that Ethan Suppley didn't have a mustache, too.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Ethan Suppley.
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So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, yeah, the film revolves around these two discovering a drug dealer
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has a safe at the back of a convenience store, and they decide to rob it
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for no particular reason other than their lives aren't great.
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And why not?
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They're just shitty cops.
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But to be fair, all the cops in this movie are shitty.
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I feel like we watched movies at very different energy levels on this one.
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I'll get you to the same point.
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Spin this for me.
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OK, so we've got two evidence cops
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not not living their best lives.
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Elijah Wood, we start out the movie with him
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just banging a prostitute and sex worker.
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Thank you lifelessly staring at the mole underneath her mammary gland.
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Is that how we're doing it now?
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I like that you covered that one left it.
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Yes, sir. Left it and
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smoking a joint jumping out.
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And that's when we find out, like as he's getting dressed, that he's a cop
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and Nicholas Gage, he's on scene.
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And there's like there's like a body and everybody's like, you know,
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walking around picking up the evidence and then out of the closet.
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But this other guy who's just knocking people down
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and Elijah Woods all stoned and he's just laughing on the ground
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as everybody goes chasing this dude.
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The one guy gets punched in the balls.
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Yeah, Bert, Bert, Bert, Bert.
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You all right, Bert? Fuck you.
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So that's how we get introduced to him.
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Nicholas Cage's character is like petitioning to get all this new
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like evidence technology stuff.
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And the captain and the commander are just like passing him back and forth
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basically, just like neither of them wanting to do anything about it.
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But then like the the captain sends him down to the police auction
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to like secure a tractor for his son in law
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because he just doesn't want to hit the auction.
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It's like this movie's fucking hit the whole cylinder.
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It's great. I was just trying to get the overall plot out of the overall plot.
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So we can fucking cares about that.
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Discuss the finer points of this film,
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like how to hide drugs in an engine block.
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Fine summaries. Nicholas Cage is dealing with this thing with engine block guy.
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And they find all this cocaine and Nicholas Cage takes a look at the paperwork
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that came in with this car that had all the cocaine in it.
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Got all the cocaine hidden in it and sees like this guy who had the car
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he had posted bail and it was like two hundred thousand dollars
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and it was posted in cash and he's like, well, that seems suspicious.
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So he looks into it more and gets Elijah Wood involved.
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And they start like tailing this drug dealer because he's out on bail
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and they see that he's got a job and at this hotel,
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Nicholas, you know, plays Elijah Woods boss and probably best only friend.
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Yeah, I think it's about like that.
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They seem to only have each other.
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They decided to make cage does a sweet montage
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where he gets an undercover job at the casino.
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And there's just like shots of him like making friends with everybody
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and dancing in the break room and like carrying
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platters of like cheeseburgers and like turning corners
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and like tipping it all over the place and having like the whoa
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inside of himself.
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Oh, so then they find out that like there's these shipments
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leaving the casino and nobody would let him like near it
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because it was, you know, involving the drug dealer guy.
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And so Nick Cage follows this van one night
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and sees where it's going with this delivery.
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And then he calls up Elijah Wood and.
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All right, this is when he shows him the Polaroids. Yeah.
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And so they go and they're just out back of this convenience store
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and he's showing them around and there's these pictures and Elijah Woods.
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Like these pictures are terrible.
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Would you have like a homeless guy take him and hit cages?
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Just like, well, I wasn't going to do it.
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I paid him a little. Yeah.
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Just all right. All right.
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They just the mental justification that you see in their eyes.
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It's like, well, he was paid, so it's probably fine.
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And that's when they find out that there's this vault, a creepy locked up.
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They find the locked up
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chair lock and freezer.
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Yeah. And there was something else they see, and I couldn't quite make it out
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in the photo, but it was a penis.
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That was a penis. Yeah.
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Yeah. Did you wait? Did you not get that?
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I did not see that. Oh, no.
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The homeless guy took a picture down his pants.
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Oh, no. And it was just homeless. That's amazing.
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Yeah. That's why Nick Cage was like, you found it.
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That's pretty good.
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I mean, Nick Cage is Nick Cage's sense of humor in this is so good.
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He's he's got like such dad jokes.
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Oh, man. He's just always pulling little pranks on Elijah Wood.
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Well, OK, so let's get into that a little bit,
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because one of my favorite lines in this is what it's Elijah Wood quote,
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but they're at the strip club where they're first starting to like
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brainstorm the heist and they're sitting down
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and they're looking down this bar and Elijah Wood just goes.
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I think that guy's getting a hand job, but he's still eating.
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So it's hard to tell.
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Yeah. I love what he sat down in this strip club.
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And he's just looking around.
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He's like, where did you bring me?
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And Nick Cage is just drinking coffee and can't get a refill.
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Classic. There is a lot about this movie.
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I really do enjoy mostly involving the two of them.
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They have great chemistry and a lot of fun playing off each other
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for the heist when they find that there's a safe there.
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They have to get, you know, the diamond tipped drill bit to drill
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through what 12 inches of concrete.
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It was three feet or something like that.
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And then 12 inches is nothing.
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I could drill through 12 inches of concrete.
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It was also steel that they had to drill through.
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Well, concrete and steel, wasn't it?
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Yeah, but concrete doesn't concrete. Nothing.
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I don't work in the trades.
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Crime. Yes.
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Crime trades.
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So when he has to call Cologne, Germany to like place this order
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and the two Germans are on the other end of the phone and Nick Cage,
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you know, goes from German to yeah, I'll have my people call you.
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When someone walks into his office, one of the Germans turns the other
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and says, you know, he's acting weird.
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Maybe he's a bank robber.
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The first guy goes, so cool. Yeah.
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Yeah, I like those Germans. Yeah.
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Yeah, those were good Germans.
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The first half, you know, the first act of this film has its
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has its wackiness and as they set up for the caper.
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And that quickly goes away when Nick Cage just murders a guy.
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Yeah, there's like this weird sub level of Cage's character.
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So like just dark and determined in this going out
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and just telling jokes with the gun dealer, like as he's picking up guns
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for their little heist and then he's just like intentionally antagonizing
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this guy just to like drive his attention like away from Cage
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while Cage like discreetly loads a gun and shoots the gun dealer
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like right there and just leaves him and it's like wild.
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One thing I do want to talk about this film first time feature film directors
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back there only film to date.
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They have another movie coming out next year with Nicolas Cage.
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The attention to like detail in this film, the show don't tell of their storytelling.
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As you were saying, when he kills the guy, he's trying to distract him
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with buffoonery and is wearing glasses for the first time.
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He takes out his like glasses, casing glasses, and that's where he's hidden
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the bullets to just shoot the guy in the head.
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Also, how he finds out about Bobo, the gun dealer, because they work in evidence.
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So he just went and found a gun in evidence,
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tracked down the case file and found who it was on and then reached out to that guy.
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I know it feels like if you were a cop, you would have a ton of intel
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to do like a good crime and and they did.
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I mean, they had a ton of good intel to do a crime.
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OK, actually, you know what? They did do a good crime.
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They could have totally they were just bad at doing a good crime.
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Well, Elijah Wood was bad at having a conscience.
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Yeah, he or being too afraid. Exactly.
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He was too afraid.
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I mean, that Cage was fully willing to just kill another cop
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would just happen to like come upon them.
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That was a security guard cop is a little term.
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That was a security guard. Yeah. All right.
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Yeah. He's just always fucking with Elijah.
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But I love it.
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Like when he like plays like he didn't get the van for the heist.
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Like I thought you were going to do it.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Like, I don't know.
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I guess I goofed up.
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It's like I goofed up.
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You realize we might get killed tomorrow, right?
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Just throws the keys out there.
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Yeah, they have terrific, terrific chemistry between the two.
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It was just a joke, just a little pre-heist joke.
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But I mean, ultimately, it's that always fucking with Elijah Wood
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that becomes Nick Cage's downfall.
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The way they're going to break in is through the apartment above the safe.
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Mm hmm. So they have to like take out the guy who lives there.
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But turns out he had a lady friend over.
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That guy gets killed and the lady friend is now hostage.
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So now they have this hostage who gets three lines of dialogue.
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Three lines of dialogue besides Snivellane.
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Yeah, her character name is just woman.
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Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, she's only there to be a plot device.
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They eventually start drilling.
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Security guard shows up.
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Elijah Wood talks him down. Nick Cage almost shoots him.
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They get into the safe.
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Discreetly. Almost almost shoots him.
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Discreetly through the window, through the blinds, just sort of split.
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One of the later little comedy scenes is the belt on the press breaks.
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So they have to like so Nick Cage makes a little incendiary device
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to like put in the hole to like blow out the last like half an inch.
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And there Elijah was just throwing mattresses
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and whatever he can over the windows, then goes outside to have a smoke
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and sees like what happens from the street and just just big flash of light.
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Smoke alarms are going off.
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Alarms going off.
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But in premise, that would work. Yeah, it does.
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Yeah. Well, it does, because it's a movie.
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But the science behind it works, because it's the same as like
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how you would build like a flash pot or a concussion pot.
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Peter, call the Mythbusters, get them in on this.
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I feel like they don't do as many crimes as we want them to.
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They should have done crimes.
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They've been great at crime.
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Fuck. Can you imagine how much stuff they would have gotten away with?
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And they're just like, now this is for a show.
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And like Jamie just hang glides away.
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Oh, my God. Let's talk about this.
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I love heists.
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I thought we were going to talk about hang gliders.
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Now we have to do that again. Thanks to you.
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Yeah, it's going to be awesome.
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But I love heists.
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All things heists, even bad heists.
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I love them. Heiser, great.
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Cool crimes.
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I enjoy cool crimes as well.
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And not cool crimes.
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Well, I'm on the fence about the not cool crimes.
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Well, what would be a not cool crime?
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Not reviewing this podcast.
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Oh, yeah. That's a not cool crime.
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You should all get out there on your podcast.
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Reviewing this podcast, but not listening to it.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, whatever.
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Yeah. So it's a it's a great old heist film.
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Well, it's a heist film.
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Yeah. When they finally get into the vault, it's not drugs or money
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necessary, like to hear white room with little shelves full of diamonds.
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Yeah, that's a pretty high tech vault.
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Yeah, it was pretty wild.
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But also like, OK, so here's a rub question.
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If you have a vault that's that high tech,
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can you really just see the backs of the tumblers?
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Wouldn't that be something you would cover up inside the door or something?
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Yeah, man. Yeah, I don't know.
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That was weird.
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It was strange because like when I was watching it originally,
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I was like, yeah, they drilled in like to like the wall portion of it
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so they could see the tumblers inside.
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But they don't.
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Yeah, because they obviously showed the hole in the ceiling.
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Like, yeah, that would have been inches back from the door.
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That would have made a million times more sense
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if they had gotten into the door itself.
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I saw behind the scene.
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Yeah, I think you were intentionally supposed to go along for the ride with them.
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That they're just bumbling idiots.
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I think you fill that vault with water and you flood all the treasure up the hole.
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Ooh, the dollar bills like float through that.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Inch wide hole.
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Well, that's why you get like a plumbing snake and you just snake them all out.
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This is smart.
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Yeah. Then you back for our next podcast.
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Nick and Sean steal a podcast.
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The brilliant thing about this plan is the money is all pre laundered.
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Oh, God, no one's going to listen to that.
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So they have a witness.
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They need to take her out.
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This is when Elijah would start to get super cagey that and clearly
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this isn't just a drug dealer.
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These are people who will track them down and kill them.
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I understand his fear and reticence, but they are so far past the veil with that.
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Like there's a dead guy upstairs, a lot of guns in that apartment,
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like in a hidden wall, and they were in the safe.
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Even when Elijah would puts everything back into the safe,
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he thinks he's just like no one's going to know he was there.
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Yeah, like there's no way he put the diamonds back in the right spot.
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Yeah, any of that.
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There's a fucking hole in the ceiling.
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There's a hole in the ceiling.
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The leads to a bunch of dead folks.
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The chain that had the refrigerator closed is also like cut.
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Right. There's a dead guy upstairs.
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Yeah, there's all sorts of reasons.
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The upstairs is mildly blown up.
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Yeah. When you guys were in college, did you did you live in the dorms?
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Yeah. I think go to college all 30.
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All right. That would have been sad.
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Yeah, that would have been sad. Van Wilder said so.
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Van Wilder to the rise of Taj said patching up holes in a dorm
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is just like you put toothpaste in the hole and then kind of like smooch.
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And that's it.
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Yeah. So I think that's all they had to do is a little sweep,
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a little toothpaste smudge. Good.
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Well, that guy. Don't worry about it.
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So they'll just put the rug back over the hole and.
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It's perfect. Yeah.
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Tape tape a rug to the ceiling.
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That's that's clever, actually.
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Never see it, especially if you just screw a bunch of furniture to the ceiling,
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because then they'll like walk in and they'll be like, wow,
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and then like have a panic attack and probably a heart attack.
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And Elijah was trying to get the kids back out of this point.
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Nick Cage is like, you know, it's you know, fine.
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You know how much I believe in us.
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You know, I bought us plane tickets to the Bahamas.
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We're going to drink rum and smoke cigars tomorrow.
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And then they have a bit of a shootout.
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Nick Cage dies, which I thought was another freak out.
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I thought it was too, based on how he was laying there.
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Yeah. Just calmly with the gun and his hand resting on his chest.
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I mean, I would have just shot him one more time just to be safe
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because he does do a death fake out earlier just to spook Elijah Wood.
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Yeah. And then goes to check his body.
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And what does he find? Two plane tickets.
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Peter and I mildly discussed this.
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They kind of do this thing where Nick Cage may have known
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that safe was like diamonds originally.
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There's a lot of questions that this movie leaves you with.
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Does it serve the movie at all that those questions are there
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other than to just have them at odds?
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So Nick Cage dies.
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No, I don't think the movie is better for it.
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I think having some answers as to like who
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whose vault was this? You never know.
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Yeah. It's not even the drug dealer's vault.
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He wasn't personally driving stuff here.
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Yeah. It was just getting shipped through the casino
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in like a laundry service to the back of this bodega.
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Yeah. My puzzling aspect of this is that I just couldn't figure out
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when Cage really like knew more and withheld it.
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Like, did he always know that this was going on?
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Did he even need to do that?
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Like casino fake out job or did he already fucking know?
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And that was just performance for Elijah Wood.
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Like who wasn't there anyway?
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And he couldn't just said he was doing it.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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That's yeah.
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When I again, rewatching it today, I was like, what is any of this?
21:21
So during the during the should have been ending in the beginning.
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Classic move. Yeah. For us. Yeah.
21:28
Strike one. That's Tenet style.
21:32
During the heist, Elijah Wood feels bad for their hostage.
21:35
She's like, I have a son. Let me, you know, call his father.
21:38
And his perfect way of her not calling anyone for help was write the number
21:42
on my hand and I'll dial.
21:44
And then doesn't say anything to people.
21:45
Just puts the phone up to her ear and she just says, I need help.
21:49
And then at the end of the film, Elijah was like driving her out to the desert.
21:53
Some like cargo vans.
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Yeah. Out of nowhere, too, because they do seem like very large establishing shots.
22:00
Yeah. And there's no other traffic anywhere.
22:02
Yeah. And they kind of surround him like, but then two vans.
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They got two vans on one in the front, one in the back.
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And then another guy like boxed him in on the side.
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And Elijah would look at his hand, looks at the phone number on the back of the van.
22:12
It's like, who did you call?
22:14
Van door opens. Elijah would get shot in the head.
22:16
Yeah. But OK.
22:17
So the van is labeled M.D.B.
22:19
electricians, which literally just looks like mob.
22:23
It's like, oh, yeah.
22:24
OK, I guess that's supposed to be the fucking mob.
22:27
Elijah would slumps over car revs.
22:30
She, you know, gets her hands free and takes the mask off,
22:34
pushes him out of the way, jumps in the front.
22:35
Revealing that she is actually Nicholas Cage.
22:39
Yes, that would have been cool.
22:40
That would have been cooler.
22:41
She like just hits the brakes right before like careening into a semi truck.
22:45
And that's the end of the movie.
22:46
The character who didn't have a name and nobody cared about lived.
22:49
Yeah. Well, I mean, she obviously was just agent number two or whatever
22:54
from whoever the fuck owns that vault.
22:56
But we don't know who owns that vault.
22:57
So why do we care?
22:58
If we don't care now, we're not going to care later.
23:02
This whole thing felt to me like it deserved to be like a 12 part TV show.
23:07
Yeah, this would be a great like Amazon series.
23:10
Mm hmm. Their report is good.
23:13
Yeah. And I could see how that could really play out on TV.
23:16
But obviously, Cage doesn't do TV.
23:18
It's the the grind of working on an episodic series.
23:22
That's something that can be dragged out or like prolonged,
23:25
like numerous seasons, he doesn't like to be chained down.
23:29
That's right. He doesn't like to be caged.
23:32
Oh, God damn it.
23:36
This is our best episode yet.
23:38
I hate you guys less than I thought I would.
23:40
Hmm. Nick, do you have any quotes?
23:43
Yeah. So I've got two and they are kind of tied together.
23:49
The first one comes from when Nick Cage is like barging
23:54
into the casino to go talk to the drug dealer.
23:57
And Elijah Wood like stops him.
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He's like, hey, man, you're dressed like a cop.
24:01
You can't do that. And Nick Cage is like, I am a cop.
24:04
And he's like, yeah, but you can't just do that right now.
24:06
And so Nick Cage just at one point turns and he's like, David, David,
24:12
stay positive, dude.
24:15
Oh, that's great.
24:17
But then at the end of the movie, when he's like getting Elijah Wood
24:22
kind of hyped up and stuff for the heist, he says to him,
24:27
you're a positive thinker.
24:28
I respect you and I dig you.
24:32
It's like, ah, he brings the positive thinking like all the way through the movie.
24:35
Yeah. Well, no, that line was from or he might have said it twice,
24:39
because mine was when they are walking through the taped out apartment
24:44
and Nicholas Cage. Oh, yes, that's what it was.
24:45
You're a positive thinker and I respect you.
24:48
And I fucking dig you.
24:50
Yeah, I really like in that scene.
24:53
There's one like wiggly line and the cage is like, what?
24:57
What's that over there?
24:58
And Elijah Wood goes, Oh, that's nothing.
25:00
A bee flew in my face when I was doing that part.
25:04
I mean, this movie is so ridiculous.
25:07
I don't remember where this quote actually came in,
25:10
because I didn't do a good job of my job.
25:13
And all I have is I have an idea.
25:16
It's kind of wacky.
25:19
That's when he makes a little like gunpowder.
25:22
Oh, yeah, that's right.
25:24
But yeah, when he just says it's a little bit wacky.
25:28
All in all, I enjoyed this film.
25:30
I did look up some reviews on Rotten Tomatoes to see what other people thought.
25:34
They enjoyed it a little less.
25:36
I want to share with you a couple of my favorites.
25:38
There are fetuses that would be more convincing in the role
25:41
of a jaded lawman than would.
25:43
You can festoon him with hookers and drug paraphernalia.
25:46
He still looks like a newly hatched baby bird.
25:50
Wood, a very long way removed from his Lord of the Rings glory days
25:54
is a womanizing, drug taking small timer,
25:57
essentially decent, but easily led astray by his friend.
26:01
They're on the road to nowhere.
26:02
And that's where this film is headed to.
26:05
Mean. Yeah.
26:07
Where do you guys put this on the Good Cage?
26:09
Good movie. Bad Cage.
26:11
I would say Good Cage. Good movie.
26:12
Yeah, I think that's fair.
26:14
I enjoyed the movie a lot.
26:15
Yeah. I don't think anybody put up a bad performance.
26:19
Now in the plot, while kind of wiggly at the end,
26:24
holds up pretty well.
26:26
Again, the director for, you know, good, great eye for detail.
26:29
So in the bracket methodology of this, the trust was a 14 seed.
26:34
So I want to ask you this kind of a long shot.
26:36
There's a reason that this is not rated super, super well.
26:40
I think I liked it better than a 14 seed.
26:42
But what were some of the other 14s we've seen?
26:45
And Cock Dangerous, the trust and coming up Zandily and Prisoners of the Ghostland.
26:50
Now, I'm really excited for Zandily or Zandali because Zendaya.
26:57
I'm not going to touch that right now,
26:58
because I'm going to talk about the medium sex scenes that are promised.
27:03
Yeah, I feel like we get some Judge Reinhold ass.
27:06
Yeah. So I think that's going to be sweet. Yeah.
27:12
So the unbearable weight of massive talent.
27:14
Mm hmm. That was a movie.
27:16
Starting a line right out of Sean's book.
27:18
I was a movie starring Nicholas Cage and you need a much longer pause
27:23
if you're being Sean.
27:27
Nicholas Cage plays Nick Kim Coppola.
27:30
Right. Or Nick and I.
27:31
C.K. and I.C.K. specifically specifically, which was the writers.
27:35
Things like, well, this is a fictional cage because he spells his name differently.
27:40
And this which is the best way to distinguish something
27:42
that you don't spell at all in the movie. Yeah.
27:46
This movie is essentially what would happen if we had a million dollars to blow.
27:50
The whole thing about Nicholas Cage showing up for a million dollars
27:52
might be true because in recent years, he's taken as low as one point five mil
27:56
for a video on demand film.
27:58
So, you know, his price is coming down.
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What was the video on demand?
28:01
I mean, most of the things he's video on demand, I suppose, left behind
28:05
probably should have been.
28:06
No, that got theatrical release.
28:08
I know. But that's because of the Lord.
28:10
But I'm humanity. Oh, oh.
28:13
Again, in this house, we worship Thor.
28:15
Hail, mighty Thor. Not at your house, though.
28:18
Do you just choose what deities we can worship on our own homes?
28:23
Yes. My house.
28:24
All right. Who do we worship in your house?
28:26
Probably Thor. Yeah. Right.
28:28
Come gutters. That's God you want.
28:31
Yeah, I always.
28:32
That's why I love Catholic Jesus.
28:35
That's a that's a horny deity.
28:36
Fucking crucifixion, man, is a hell of a core workout.
28:39
Also, best friend sex worker.
28:41
True classic Jesus. Pretty fucking cool, dude.
28:44
All right. We need to get a million.
28:45
We need to get one point five million dollars.
28:46
Do the story of Jesus starting Nicholas Cage.
28:48
Oh, man. Redo the passion of the Christ.
28:51
Passion of the cage. Yeah.
28:53
So this movie Nicholas Cage,
28:57
bit of a slump in his career, gets offered a million dollars
29:01
to go visit some rich guy for his birthday party played by Pedro Pascal.
29:05
The guy is Cage's agent is Neil Patrick Harris.
29:09
Neil Patrick Harris in things is weird.
29:11
He spent so much of his career playing
29:14
Neil Patrick Harris as a character that I no longer see him in any role as an actor.
29:21
Yeah, it's kind of like when you hear a word so many times
29:25
and it just loses its meaning or like, oh, man, have you ever written a word?
29:29
Worker. No, but written a word or typed it out a bunch of times.
29:33
Yeah. Just ceases to be anything.
29:35
Well, for me, it's like if I do something in all caps,
29:38
if I look at a word in all caps, like it's like that can't possibly be the right word.
29:44
I remember way fucking back when I was in grade school
29:48
and we were learning basic programming and there's a function
29:52
that's just print and it will print a string onto the screen.
29:56
Look at you, Mr. Basic Programming in grade school.
29:59
Yeah. Well, I was pretty fancy looking at the word
30:02
print again and again and again.
30:05
It just it becomes like this cipher when you're like, what the fuck are these letters?
30:11
What is this thing?
30:13
My grade school was a wooden school
30:17
house across the street from a Holly farm that also had Guinea hens.
30:22
And sometimes the Guinea hens would get into the field at our school.
30:25
We had a bell tower and it was, of course, physically rung to end recess.
30:31
So like you could go in and like go ring the bell if you left recess early.
30:36
Was it like a privilege to go ring the bell?
30:38
Yeah. Yeah. Because usually only like one kid got to do it.
30:41
So like I would I would get in trouble because I would stack
30:44
like a bunch of desks and chairs and stuff in this back room.
30:48
And I'd climb up it and I'd get as high up on the rope as I could.
30:51
So that way they'd have trouble getting me off of it.
30:54
You do have a quasi moto vibe to you.
30:56
And I'm here for it.
30:58
Yeah. And I would just like hang from this rope and like swing
31:01
and they'd come in because there's just like they'd be like,
31:05
the bells are too loud.
31:06
You're annoying the neighbors.
31:08
There are no neighbors.
31:09
We're in the fucking woods.
31:11
This is weird.
31:12
Your guys's life experience.
31:13
I do not get because I went to school in the big city
31:17
and we had one ball and you tried not to get stabbed at recess.
31:22
One time I rolled a snowball that was bigger than me
31:25
and we had two fields at my school.
31:27
So we were up on the top field
31:29
and we were going to roll it down into the lower field.
31:33
And I was like, sweet.
31:35
So we get it rolling.
31:36
I'm like, you know, it'd be so cool.
31:37
People lose their fucking minds if I rode this thing down.
31:41
So I jumped on it as it was going downhill and it just fucking threw me
31:45
and just needed me into a swing set.
31:49
And I just laid there like that was fucking cool.
31:52
Oh, I want to sort of go further where like the swing
31:55
set launched you onto the slide, which launched you onto like the merry go
31:59
around. No back onto the snowball.
32:00
I'm like, baby, day out type shit. Yeah.
32:03
It just embeds me halfway into the snowball and then I'm
32:06
it's just my legs and the snowball is like walking around like all confused
32:11
until I walk into a wall and it splits and I'm there
32:13
and there's little birds floating around my head.
32:15
I'm not a fucking cartoon.
32:17
I'm a real person with real experiences.
32:19
Sean, just respect my life.
32:22
I think we're going to end on that.
32:24
That's it. We got it, guys. Good job.
32:27
Yeah, that's the end of the podcast.
32:28
We have just totally broken.
32:30
So tune in.
32:32
This is how Nick and I shopping friends tune into Nick and Sean
32:35
steal a podcast.
32:38
Yeah, we're still going to do podcast, just not this one anymore.
32:42
Apparently, Baby's Day out was a reference too far for me.
32:46
You know, I feel about children and I beams.
32:50
No, the best of talent.
32:53
Did you guys like this movie?
32:55
I found myself laughing out loud the entire time.
33:01
Nicholas Cage has an imaginary version of himself
33:05
that like talks to him and hypes him up and keeps him on track.
33:08
And it's just like the old Nicholas Cage interview
33:12
where he like goes on and he's like, hella coked out,
33:15
like he takes his shirt off and like has to reposition his mic
33:19
on his leather jacket.
33:20
And he's doing like karate kicks and stuff.
33:23
That young Nicholas Cage is now his internal hype man.
33:27
It's his ego.
33:28
But he like gets into an argument with it.
33:30
Yeah. Or with him on the road and like stops his car
33:34
and tells his imaginary friend to get out of his car.
33:39
It's insane how funny this movie is.
33:41
Now, this movie is hilarious.
33:42
In my opinion, let down by the third act referencing that adding a dumb
33:47
action movie to the end of your film isn't a good film.
33:49
And then doing it doesn't save from not being a good action film.
33:53
I think I think the action sequence would have been better served
33:55
if Nick Cage didn't just immediately become an action star
33:58
because he does straight up murder some people and doesn't blink an eye.
34:01
My favorite part is like Pedro Pascal and Nick Cage running through the woods.
34:05
They look like old dudes.
34:07
Yeah, they're like, oh, they are.
34:09
Shagging down the hill.
34:11
And like you play that up like fuck the action hero aspect of this.
34:15
And that's what's kind of my thing with it is, yeah,
34:17
it just gets to generic action movie within this genre of actors
34:22
playing themselves in absurd situations.
34:24
There's a great little film called My Name is Bruce about Bruce Campbell
34:28
playing Bruce Campbell down on his luck and is offered a bit of money
34:31
to make a public appearance, but gets there.
34:33
And it turns out the town is like haunted by a demon.
34:37
And they're like, you're Bruce Campbell.
34:39
Deal with this. And he's like, fuck you.
34:41
And is a bumbling buffoon the whole way, but still bumbles his way to success
34:44
and just doesn't become Ash at the end.
34:47
And yeah, Nick Cage just becomes Action Cage at the end of this with no bumbling.
34:52
More bumbling was, I feel, required.
34:54
I feel like we had the bumbling.
34:56
And I think this movie needed the action elements
35:00
because it just rounded out like everything from his career.
35:04
Like all of it was present in the movie.
35:07
If you didn't have that bit of it.
35:09
But then so the end of the film, they do the like
35:12
fake out into the premiere of the film based on these events.
35:18
It could have been great if by just dumb luck and just him being an actor,
35:22
but not being a good action guy that, you know, they do get there.
35:25
And then it cuts into this absurd moment where he does kill the drug kingpin.
35:30
And then it pulls back like, oh, that was the movie.
35:32
But anyway, so Nick in this cage goes,
35:35
goes to Majorca to meet his biggest fan.
35:37
Oh, man, because we did not recap this jump in straight to the end of the movie.
35:41
Giving it all away.
35:43
Yeah, but this is the second half, so we're not doing it in the first five minutes.
35:45
That's true. We've done a much better job.
35:49
So Pedro Pascal plays hobby, a huge Nick Cage fan who has written
35:54
a script and wants Nicholas Cage to star in it.
35:57
But Nick Cage loses out on the role of a lifetime.
36:00
I'm using air quotes there and decides he's done acting.
36:03
He was going to be a Boston cop, though,
36:05
and we know he could have fucking nailed that.
36:08
Yeah. OK.
36:09
So I want to know if like in the greater
36:12
audience ship of Nicholas Cage, like, is it just a thing
36:16
that he only does like a Boston accent?
36:19
Probably. Well, because when he just says that he's been working
36:24
on the Boston accent and he thinks he's really got it,
36:27
it just felt like that was targeted at me.
36:29
And how many times I've talked about his Boston accent.
36:32
Maybe for sure.
36:33
It did feel like we tapped into something on that.
36:36
To that, I do want to say I hadn't seen this movie until now.
36:40
Right. Same. And we got a lot of shit for this.
36:42
Like, how can you call yourself Nick Cage hands without seeing this film?
36:44
Like, we're going to fucking watch them all. We get to it.
36:47
Yeah. And I feel like I appreciate this movie more having watched
36:50
a bunch of Nick Cage films, like when they do the Leaving Las Vegas moment,
36:53
when Nick Cage is at his lowest and he just takes his beer
36:56
and just walks right into the pool, straight out of leaving Las Vegas.
36:59
Fun story with the director, like directing him through that scene.
37:02
Nick Cage goes, Yeah, I've done this before.
37:08
But so it turns out when Nick Cage gets to Mallorca,
37:12
we're giving we're making Peter do so much work.
37:15
No, he's given up.
37:18
He's like, you guys don't even listen to your own podcast.
37:21
Why the fuck will I? I'm just doing a no cut.
37:24
Oh, great.
37:25
When Nick Cage gets to Mallorca, kind of like my wiener,
37:28
it turns out that the CIA cut that out.
37:30
No, everyone's going to know you're uncut or am I?
37:35
Yeah, we need mystery.
37:37
But I've seen it. Yeah, I'm not going to say, but I've seen it.
37:41
It's how I know Nick's not a cartoon.
37:42
Sean doesn't kiss and tell.
37:46
So when Nicholas Cage gets to Mallorca,
37:50
turns out the CIA is watching Javi
37:53
because he's a international arms dealer.
37:56
Cartel man, cartel man, and they cartelman cartman.
38:02
Oh, man. Peter's going to Peter's going to yell at us so bad.
38:04
You guys are in trouble.
38:06
Oh, and so they they get Nicholas Cage
38:10
to help them try and track down the daughter of a president
38:16
or someone running for the election.
38:18
Yeah. Who they kidnapped at the end of the film.
38:20
He doesn't think it's Javi because of his, you know, years of acting.
38:24
He can read people, his shamanic thespian skills.
38:29
I loved that.
38:32
Oh, guys, it turns out that Nicholas Cage's thematic thespian skills,
38:36
you know, no more than the whole of the CIA.
38:38
Yeah. But they get him to spy on Javi.
38:40
And I mean, this is where the bumbling really happens.
38:43
He has to break into the camera room to bug all the cameras.
38:47
And when someone's coming up on him,
38:49
he gets the slip of like the knockout agent on his hand.
38:53
And then as he's leaving the door to find a place to hide,
38:54
he wipes the sweat from his brow.
38:56
That scene was so good. It was so good.
38:59
I think I touched my forehead.
39:01
You think you did? No, I'm.
39:03
Oh, I did. Yeah, I did.
39:06
OK, now go out the window and walk along a thin ledge.
39:10
OK, so I mean, this is all for comedy and chuckles and it does work.
39:15
But he does this that knockout agents not very strong
39:19
because he goes for a solid two minutes.
39:21
He definitely would have died even if he tried to knock the guy out.
39:25
Do you have no joy in your life, Sean?
39:27
I don't.
39:28
My ex wife was on the podcast last week.
39:31
Peter was a decision I made.
39:35
You did this to you.
39:37
I've said that I have lost the ability to feel joy.
39:40
And now I'm just trying to suffer for my sins like a good Catholic.
39:45
He does the spy.
39:46
He does some spy work.
39:47
Then they need to have him stay longer because they need to have tracked down
39:50
where the girl is at his birthday.
39:53
Says, you know, he read the script.
39:54
It's great.
39:55
Doesn't want to start it, but wants to stick around and write a film with Javi.
39:59
And that's when we get the best part of this film, which is just two friends
40:03
on acid. Yeah.
40:05
I mean, I think the the spycraft stuff is is fine.
40:09
I mean, it's a means to an end.
40:11
But like this movie is not at all served by that subplot.
40:14
No, I mean, I think the most important part
40:16
in what's really interesting is the the bromance between these two dudes. And like.
40:22
Well, it's a character driven movie.
40:24
It is. Yeah.
40:25
I've never been particularly like drawn to Pedro Pascal.
40:29
I think he's a great actor.
40:30
No, but he's never like done it for me in like, oh, that guy.
40:35
And this is the first movie that I was like, oh, I get what people are talking about.
40:39
Like that guy is he's charismatic. He's cute.
40:42
Like it works. It fucking works.
40:44
As a fellow Chilean, I love the man.
40:47
I don't know. Did you want to fuck Pedro Pascal?
40:49
Always, especially in the Mandalorian outfit.
40:52
I mean, no, but.
40:56
I mean, if I'm going to be honest,
40:58
and that's what this podcast really about fucking fine Cleveland steamer.
41:02
Sure. But but let's talk about the acid scene because it's the best.
41:05
Talk about the acid scene. Oh, my God.
41:09
But like, yeah. So Pedro Pascal is like, you know, they need to get
41:13
into this raw emotional state like he has the answer
41:16
and just holds up a violin.
41:18
Nick Cage is like trying to do a snoop into the secret room to see if the girls there.
41:22
It's like, what's that? It's acid.
41:24
What the hell? And just let's have a just squirt him in the mouth.
41:28
Next thing they're on the road, just staring at each other
41:31
while driving along a cliff edge.
41:34
Well, then later hobbies like I can't drive on acid.
41:37
Bro, you fucking did.
41:39
I don't know how you got us here.
41:40
Yeah, but I mean, like, OK.
41:43
Coming up on acid and being like solidly on acid,
41:46
especially when you think that's fair, because what got them to the point
41:49
where they're like running through town and trying to get like away
41:54
is they're talking about the film.
41:57
Javi has this great line or it's like, you know, this might be the acid talking,
42:00
but we could do a big scene where the main characters are on acid or on drugs.
42:05
So they're talking about like storytelling in a cage like, well, like,
42:08
what if we had a real paranoid scene where like the the main character
42:12
being followed, like, look at those two.
42:14
They might be following us.
42:15
And Javi just goes, oh, shit, are they following us?
42:17
The kids. I don't know. Are they?
42:19
They like get themselves into the spiral like this paranoia spiral.
42:23
And then they run and have my favorite scene, which is
42:26
them trying to like jump over the wall, jumping over the wall.
42:29
It was a table. Nicholas Cage.
42:32
Nick Cage can't lift him over the wall.
42:34
It has to leave hobby behind.
42:35
There's that slow motion. No.
42:37
When the cage drops down and just walks around, I was like, Mr. Cage.
42:41
No, there was a great line in
42:45
he's like trying to pick him up and he drops him.
42:47
And Nick Cage is like, you're heavier than you look.
42:50
I was like, I have a very big head.
42:53
Cage is just enormous and enormous head.
42:58
Just like he's complimenting your head so big, it's enormous.
43:01
It's terrific. It's wonderful.
43:03
And then they get to the other side of the wall.
43:04
They have a laugh and they look over.
43:06
And there are two other guys who look similar to the first two.
43:10
Yeah, it's a bald guy and another long haired ginger guy.
43:13
That's all they think of.
43:15
Oh, shit, they run.
43:16
But if you're on acid, that's that's more than enough.
43:19
Plenty. Yeah.
43:21
I would be freaked out if I was on an island with two long haired gingers.
43:24
Right. Can I say that word?
43:26
I can't say prostitute.
43:28
I'm pretty sure you can say ginger. OK.
43:30
I don't think that's a big I don't think that's a big hurtful one.
43:33
Oh, we're going to get so much hate.
43:35
Especially from the ginger sex workers.
43:37
When they're running back to the car, Javi gets hit by a car.
43:41
It's really Pedro Pascal did that.
43:43
Did that sound himself?
43:44
Pedro Scout wrecked or ruined 12 cars to get that shot.
43:49
He's got a big head. Yeah, enormous.
43:51
But yeah, they get back to the car.
43:53
It's like, I can't drive an acid.
43:54
I can't think you are better driving me.
43:56
How do you know that?
43:57
I read you did all your own driving for gone in 60 seconds.
44:01
Those wheelies were pretty good.
44:03
The best wheelies.
44:05
And then they like, yeah, they drive off and cage like drives up on the sidewalk.
44:08
He takes out like a shit ton of bicycles that are all just sitting there.
44:13
And when they get back to the compound, still on acid, Javi's like passed on the car.
44:17
Nick tries to go like into that room and Javi like.
44:22
Do you want to see what's in there?
44:23
Yeah, obviously, like obviously wakes up and like comes up and finds him.
44:26
And then it's just his collection of Nick Cage memorabilia.
44:29
Then that's when we see are introduced to the
44:32
Castor Troye statue of Nicholas Cage with the Golden Guns, which, like,
44:36
you know, those real guns, right?
44:38
But it's this horrible mannequin of Nicholas Cage with like a mo haircut.
44:43
It's like, can I ask how much you paid for this?
44:46
About six thousand dollars.
44:48
It's grotesque.
44:50
Yeah.
44:51
Grotesque.
44:52
If somebody presented me with like just a similar but not quite right statue of me.
44:59
Oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God.
45:01
I would want it so bad.
45:04
I feel like Josie can make that happen.
45:07
Yeah.
45:08
I would even be happy with just a cardboard cut out of myself.
45:13
How cool is to be grotesque?
45:15
Yeah. I once tried to draw you on a beer can.
45:18
Yeah. People I was doing this for also knew you and they were just like, no,
45:21
it's too bro. Which I understand.
45:24
I'm a very muscular and, you know, tone.
45:28
Tone. Yeah. Handsome person.
45:30
Yeah. I've got like nine.
45:32
Come gutters. Yeah.
45:33
Where I don't think you know what come gutters are.
45:36
I'm pretty sure I introduced you to this. Probably.
45:41
Hobbies cousin turns out to be the real mobster hobbies, just a figurehead
45:45
and finds out that Nicholas Cage is working for the CIA
45:48
and wants hobby to kill the cage.
45:50
The cage has to take out hobby because
45:53
hobby thinks that the cage is having this like creative block
45:56
because he and his daughter aren't getting along.
45:58
So hobby brings his daughter and ex wife to the island.
46:03
And so they go to have like a shootout
46:07
or go kill each other on the cliff where they first became friends
46:10
beforehand, trading shoes.
46:13
Yeah, I liked that. I love that. I did, too.
46:15
They're just like complementing each other's shoes.
46:17
And they're like, do you want to trade like.
46:20
Forever. Yeah.
46:22
And then when they're running away from the people actually trying to kill them,
46:25
they're just bitching about each other's shoes
46:28
because there's no ankle support in the moccasins. Yeah. No shit.
46:33
So and then that's when the third act action film starts,
46:36
which does have a pretty good bit where the bad guy kidnaps Nick Cage's daughter.
46:40
So his ex wife is a makeup artist, makes him look like another gangster.
46:45
Yeah, like a Spanish guy who hasn't been seen for 15 years.
46:50
And just that's when we get like the worst Nick Cage acting in the film.
46:53
Oh, it's so good.
46:55
It's like he's actually trying to like make a character then.
47:00
And it's just maybe does such a great job of like having great actors act poorly.
47:05
They saved the president's daughter.
47:06
They save their own daughter.
47:08
There's a bit of a shootout.
47:09
Nick Cage repeats the Boston line from the beginning of the film.
47:13
There's a chase.
47:15
They get to the U.S. Embassy.
47:16
And at the end of it, Nick Cage's daughter throws him a knife
47:19
that got dropped in the back of the truck earlier.
47:21
He catches it midair, stabs dude in the chest.
47:23
Then it goes full Michael Bay camera around.
47:26
There's an American flag.
47:28
The military shows up and you turn back to his family and it's Demi Moore as the mom.
47:34
Incredible. It cuts out to this is a screening of a Nick Cage movie
47:39
written by Javi about the events of the film.
47:42
Yeah, it's perfect.
47:43
It gives you what they set out to do.
47:45
Highlights, obviously, Nicky.
47:47
Man, this movie, just every character, I think,
47:51
got some kind of like big, nice laugh out of me.
47:55
Everybody had really good comedy.
47:57
It was pretty well as the CIA agent is awesome.
48:00
Fun cage versa connection to that.
48:02
Guess who she was recommended by?
48:05
Just tell me Nick Cage, Nick Cage recommender on the advice
48:10
on the advice of our old friend.
48:11
That's not a fun fact.
48:13
Let me finish the god damn sense.
48:15
So there's a Schrader connection.
48:17
All right. Schrader did one thing right.
48:19
You're the Schrader.
48:20
Nicholas Cage turned down this role like three or four times
48:23
because he thought it was too weird.
48:24
And when he finally agreed to it, wanted to play the Javi role.
48:27
He wanted to be he thought it would be more meta for him to play his biggest fan.
48:32
It is more meta, but that and only fucking terrible.
48:36
Only only was cool playing himself after he met Pedro Pascal.
48:39
I thought Pedro Pascal was like this crazy method actor
48:42
who was just method acting all of this like love for Nick Cage.
48:45
And then later on, find out that Pedro Pascal has always been a huge fan.
48:49
Huge Nick Cage fan. Nick, do you have a quote?
48:52
I have many quotes. I have a favorite scene.
48:54
So this is Nick and Nicky talking.
48:58
And Nick is telling Nicky about how he's going to do this movie.
49:04
And Nick, he's trying to talk him out of it because he's not a small time actor.
49:09
He's a movie star.
49:10
Nick says he thinks it would be good for them to do it.
49:12
And Nicky comes in with like the gay uncle
49:15
in the next Diplos Brothers movie kind of thing.
49:18
Exactly. Then Nicky slaps him.
49:21
He's like, the fuck are you talking about?
49:23
We haven't worked since we were 15, 41 years
49:27
to be number seven on the call sheet of a goddamn student film.
49:31
I think it's a good idea.
49:33
You listen to me. You're Nick fucking.
49:42
And woo.
49:43
Ow. Cage.
49:46
Addy doesn't need a struggling artist to be her father.
49:50
She needs you to be a star.
49:52
Now you get the next one, baby.
49:54
And we're back. Nick Cage, breathily.
49:57
Not that we ever went anywhere.
49:59
Not that we went anywhere. Come here.
50:03
And then he just throws his toothpick, grabs Nick Cage
50:06
and like passionately kisses him right on the mouth.
50:09
So he has when Nicky pulls away.
50:12
Yeah. Nick Cage smooches good.
50:14
You tell him Nick Cage smooches good.
50:17
Yeah, it's a brilliant scene.
50:19
It's great. And it's just Nick Cage and Nick Cage.
50:23
My other favorite line was after Nick Cage watches
50:25
Harvey's third favorite film, Paddington 2 teary eyed sniffling.
50:31
Paddington 2 is incredible.
50:32
Have you guys seen Paddington 2?
50:34
No, I have not seen Paddington 1.
50:36
I've heard both of them are actually pretty fucking good.
50:39
Yeah.
50:39
Trevor Moore always spoke really highly of them.
50:42
I kind of feel like I should watch them.
50:45
Let's just do a podcast about Paddington. OK.
50:48
That's how easy it is to get the three of us to do anything.
50:51
I liked when Nick Cage was he like brings his daughter home.
50:54
This is in the beginning of the movie.
50:56
And he and Addy had just been at like family therapy or whatever.
51:00
And the mom is just like, oh, what's wrong with her?
51:04
As the kid storms off.
51:06
Nick just says, she's mad at me
51:09
because we watched Cabinet of Dr. Caligari together and she hated it,
51:14
which I find odd given how mature her taste normally is.
51:18
You're surprised your teenage daughter didn't want to watch
51:21
an insane hundred year old German film with you. Yes.
51:26
The director and writer just decided to write this thing.
51:29
Never met Nick Cage.
51:30
There's like, let's write a movie about Nick Cage.
51:33
We have no connection to him.
51:35
Maybe we'll get to make it one day.
51:37
Was it us?
51:39
Yeah, it sounds like we really went around this the wrong way.
51:43
Also, Nick Cage swore he would never watch this movie because it was too weird.
51:47
Even at the premiere was there, but wasn't in the theater.
51:50
So Venn diagram.
51:52
Good, good, good, good, good movie.
51:55
Now the real question.
51:57
The debate.
51:58
This is one of the few times where I'm kind of on the fence.
52:03
I think I would enjoy the trust more on rewatches.
52:07
I'm glad I watched the underweight of NASA talent.
52:09
It is funny.
52:10
I just I the back half just kind of kills me.
52:13
I would probably argue for unbearable weight in the same way.
52:18
The last third of the trust just wasn't quite there.
52:23
Plus, it leaves too many things.
52:25
It's not as finished of a movie, but I think unbearable weight is just
52:30
it's a more enjoyable movie.
52:32
Pound for pound, it's a more cage movie
52:34
as it is 100 percent about how it's going to be.
52:38
My next point is out of the both of them.
52:41
I mean, Cage gives an amazing performance in both and he gives a very cagey
52:45
performance in both. He does.
52:47
I'll be happy to watch either of these movies again in my life,
52:50
and I will continue to watch them.
52:52
I would rather see unbearable weight go forward.
52:56
I think it's just I think it's a better comedy.
52:59
It's better for the category.
53:00
It's a stronger script.
53:02
It's better performances.
53:05
It's Elijah Woods. Great.
53:07
But there's a much larger cast that all contributes
53:12
really good performances in unbearable weight.
53:15
It's absurd. It's truly an absurd movie.
53:18
I'm just going to use our movie podcast all of a sudden.
53:22
In Germany, we are.
53:23
Yeah, that's right. Thanks, Germans. Yeah.
53:26
So cool. So cool.
53:28
No, I I think you are right.
53:30
And like I said, I was on the fence for either of these going forward,
53:33
because I do enjoy them both in different ways.
53:36
The Trust is an interesting movie.
53:38
He has an interesting character.
53:41
It's just not well developed.
53:43
That's fair.
53:44
Whereas I think the unbearable weight is an interesting movie
53:47
with two interesting characters and a whole CIA subplot
53:50
that could have been written around real easy.
53:54
Yeah, but it adds wackiness.
53:55
I think you could take all of that out of there and Javi could just be
53:59
this, you know, maniac obsessive and trying to figure out like,
54:03
does this guy want to like take my skin and wear it?
54:06
So, Harvey, does he want me to like blow him or like,
54:10
does he want to watch me fuck his wife or have me watch him?
54:12
Fuck, I am Harvey. Nailed it.
54:15
I just did the bow.
54:18
Thanks. Thank you.
54:19
I'm taking I'm taking the Nick roll of this podcast.
54:23
Confirming. Yeah.
54:24
Unbearable weight.
54:25
Bearable weight. Massive talent.
54:26
A great movie.
54:27
Can't wait to see it move forward.
54:29
What's coming up next week?
54:30
We kind of touched on this in the beginning, but Joe and Zanderly.
54:34
Zanderly. Zandali.
54:35
Whatever it's going to be. Zandaya?
54:37
We're not sure. We're going to.
54:38
So it's a movie about a guy who takes in a kid who's being abused
54:44
and a movie where Nick Cage is a horny artist.
54:48
It's going to be terrific. It's going to be a real romp.
54:50
Well, thank you all for listening.
54:53
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54:56
you can find us on Reddit or Twitter or any of the other things.
54:59
But Reddit is CageMatchPod.
55:01
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55:04
we are on Patreon at CageMatch.
55:07
So as always, thank you to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean,
55:10
Josie, Rico, Matt and Adam.
55:12
And special thanks to our cage dancers, Ira and John.
55:16
We're at episode 18. We've got.
55:21
14 more episodes.
55:22
Thanks for the math. In season one.
55:24
Yeah. And then in season two, we don't know what we're doing.
55:28
We'll figure it out. Send us send us your ideas.
55:30
What you'll figure it out for us. Do our jobs for us.
55:33
Now, we totally know what we're doing, but it's a secret.
55:35
So don't even bother trying to figure it out.
55:37
It's a really good idea to know.
55:39
But send us your theories.
55:41
Send us five dollars in your theory
55:44
in a self-addressed stamped envelope to what's your address, Peter?
55:49
Yeah. Put that on the Internet.
55:51
Goodbye, everybody.
56:06
Like, maybe I'll get real.
56:07
Maybe I'll have like a giant sandwich one day
56:09
and love the unbearable weight of massive talent.
56:13
Anytime you say sandwich, you have to give me like a big gap
56:15
just so it sounds funnier.
56:17
All right. Maybe one day I'll have a giant sandwich.
56:20
No, you didn't do it right.
56:22
Oh, no. Gap in the beginning.
56:24
And at the end, I was giving you one at the end.
56:27
Yeah, you gave me a big one at the end.
56:29
A big, big one in the end.
56:32
Cut it out.
56:34
Boy, that's going to that's an outtake.
56:39
And then Eddie Murphy bus out of nowhere
56:40
and sticks a banana in his tailpipe.
56:42
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
56:47
Why? It can't be that bad.
56:49
It can't be that good either.
56:51
I like that we're going to eat them like Ryan and all.
56:54
Like he doesn't take the peel off.
56:56
I'm taking I'm just going to know you got to do it.
56:58
I have a horrible gag reflex. I can't do it.
57:00
Oh, my God. Now you really have to do it.
57:04
I mean, it's Peter's floor. I'll throw up here. Yeah.
57:07
You know, box right there.
57:10
It's the puzzle box.
57:14
Where where's where's the place I can throw up and he can find it later.
57:17
Got the globe. How do you open the globe?