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The Hair-Wash Test: Spotting Burnout Before It Hits · Reframe

• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Reframe, where honest conversations create new possibilities.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're Sarah and Danny, and each week we sit down together to explore life, growth, and everything in between.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Always a pleasure to be here, and I'm very excited to get into what we've just a few minutes before said, maybe we should talk about this.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Press the board, and here we are.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it always starts with a conversation about something, doesn't it?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that today's conversation really has come from a conversation about our hair, in a way.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Discussing how often we wash our hair and what that means.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd love to hear that from everyone as well.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how often?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: How often do you wash your hair?
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but just kind of coming into that um it that conversation about then what it is an indicator of when maybe we slip out of like our habits of how we look after ourselves and stuff.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that um I was relating that into this very present moment that we're in energetically, where we are really in a time of great change, and that energy that we're moving out of.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: So human design shows us that we're moving out of this um cross of planning, which has all been about the infrastructures of our lives and the frameworks by which we live by.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not just the kind of like the really obvious ones on the outside, like how we operate, um like the government, education, the systems that we use that help create society.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: We've been in this frequency, this energy for 400 years, but we are shifting out of this, and what that means is that we get to take all the really good parts about structures that we've um that we've created within society, but also within ourselves, because it's not just about the frameworks on the outside, it's the frameworks by which we live by, it's the beliefs and ideas that we have within ourselves that are holding us in some way.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that doesn't mean that all beliefs are are poor or unhelpful because some are really helpful, and I know you'll know this, Danielle, and I'm sure you work with this on your clo with your clients, but it is the fact that anything that is old and outdated and really isn't serving us anymore, is really crumbling and kind of like dying away.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it's also really, really tricky and uncomfortable and feels like parts of us were losing parts of us in a way, and so I suppose what we were I was we were kind of relating it into was what are the signs, what are the things that happen within us in our bodies in our lives that give us indicators that we're kind of finding things a little bit tricky, and I suppose the conversation then leads a little bit into what do we do about that?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say it's so funny actually to hear what you've just said now, because I thought about this a lot yesterday, and the reason I say I'm gonna say it's funny, it's actually really not because that's just us, isn't it?
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: We're always seem to be aligning even when we've got no intention of or understanding of where it's gonna go, but anyway, separately.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love how you describe and you have the awareness of the energetics and what's actually happening, and I don't have that, but I can feel and I can sense that there's a lot of change happening.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: And yesterday, what I was reflecting on is I'm seeing a lot of people online, business owners, coaches, you know, people marketing themselves on social media, really, really big creators that have taken up quite a lot of market share, a lot of the social platforms in the last year, really take a step back from businesses and how they're showing up.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's been, you know, kind of glitz and glam, or like uh outcome, money, you know, the really kind of big things that they have been advertising.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been fouled to that as well, of showing up in a certain way that I felt like I had to, and now I'm seeing so many people re-evaluate how they show up, what they want to do in business, but it stems from I've been doing this and it's not been right for me, or I'm not happy anymore, or it's not truly what I'm passionate about.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: I've got tingles as I'm speaking about it now, yeah, and and I think it's great, and I and I can relate to it, as I say, in my own process as well.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: But it's so interesting for people that I've looked up to, or sometimes been like, oh god, is that what I should be aiming towards?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: And there has been a feeling of in a knowing that it wasn't right or something wasn't sitting well, and so now to see everyone like, no, I'm not doing this anymore, I think it's I think it's amazing.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what I'm trying to say there is maybe that's part of the energetic shift, which you have the words to to to be able to explain.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's absolutely right, and I think that is a space, that is a space that is I can see it as well.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's very obvious in that space that you know, I just don't think that the way that we've always measured that as a success, the metrics, the matrix of it, is going to keep on being something that motivates people or interests people.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that will space will have to change because of that.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't have the the vision of because Instagram, I'm not an expert in Instagram, I don't really see how that might change or how those platforms might change.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I do sense and know from my own interaction there that it has to change, that there's something about kind of like performing for the for the figures, for the for the for the metrics of it, yeah, that just feels so difficult now compared to maybe six months a year ago.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that is because the energy is not allowing you to behave in a way that feels so misaligned and isn't kind of in resonance with us, that it makes it feel even more awkward and difficult to do it, and so because it wants us to stop doing it, it wants us to find a different way, but that is why it comes back around to that thing that we were talking about of that feels uncomfortable, and sometimes if we don't know that that is maybe something that's going on, that that's when we kind of like retreat into ourselves or we find ourselves with that discomfort in our body of kind of like, oh my god, this feels so uncomfortable.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what I'm doing, I feel so uncertain, I'm doubting myself.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like what do what happens to us that shows us maybe that that's happening, if you see what I'm saying?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we try to ignore it, don't we?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: So that comes back to that conversation we were having about washing our hair.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I said to you, if I go three days without washing my hair, then I need to check in with my mental health.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because washing my hair is a daily thing for me, and if I can't be bothered, then there's something there.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: That brought us to other things, didn't it?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: So tell what tell me what's a sign for you.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, it's so incredible to hear that because and I I will answer your question, but first of all, I can relate to so much of what you said over the last year where I feel like I've been pushing towards things, and there's been that uncomfortabless or that something in me which is like this just isn't sitting right.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: And there's been times where I've tried to push against it, and there's been times where now I can see, okay, notice it and feel it.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, even though it's been there the whole time, I'm now looking back, going, okay, that was the feeling that it's not that I wasn't aware of, but it wasn't so smack banging my face, telling me like this isn't right or or whatever it is.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that's so interesting and fascinating again to ref to reflect back on.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: But in answer to your question, I am a girly who tries to extend her hair wash as long as she can.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but how I what I also said is if I'm pushing it, you know, I'm laughing as I say this, considering you wash your hair every day.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm pushing like four or five days, and if I'm not going out of the house, sometimes I will, I'm like, that's a sign.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, three days I say is is probably good for me.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't take me a lot of effort, but the hair wash is one of the signs, which is not necessarily the hair, it's you're not caring about getting ready.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're not paying not wanting to put makeup on is another one.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not a big makeup person, and when I do makeup, it's very subtle.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, bit of foundation, bit of bronzer.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: But if I'm not wanting to take care of my appearance, the clothes that I'm wearing, I'm very much a comfort gal as well.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Every outfit will be comfort and what I feel for that day.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: But when I noticed and I'm really like shoving anything on, all of those are telltale signs.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: I actually made a list a couple of years ago because I I kind of just come out of a stage of burnout and I thought it's really useful to know the signs so that I that was reactive.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: These are the signs that I noticed, so that next time I can go, ooh, okay, and I think that's also what we talked about.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: So eye twitching, I noticed, was something at the time that I had noticed and ignored.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so now when I start to feel my eye twitching, and it would just be, you know, sometimes if I'm in session or in work and I'm speaking and I just notice it flittering, I'm like, okay, check in with yourself.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Are you have you pushed yourself too much?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Do you need to kind of take a rest?
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, another thing I think we you were gonna say as well, yeah, eating habits.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely if I'm buying out all the time.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And something that's really been interesting is I don't love, I'm I don't love to cook.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of cook to eat, but I have more recently been cooking meals again and just putting a podcast in or listening to music, and I'm noticing that I'm really, really enjoying that, and that's something I hadn't noticed.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, do you know this is this is fun and I do like it.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: So definitely if everything is bought out and I'm not taking time to prepare meals as well.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I and I think I was saying, wasn't I?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is more comes from when I was um when my children were younger, um and things were challenging.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I noticed it because uh we had we ate a lot of beige food.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: So if there was chips and chicken nuggets for the third night on a row, I would be thinking, I need to be there's a little bit, I need a bit of space here.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: There's like a little bit of me space needed because this is just me going through the motions, and that's not right.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: But um, but yeah, definitely.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: And our bodies do tell us, don't we?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because coming back to your eye, Twitch, I mean, that's just um, you know, your body knows before your mind does that there's that things are going on, and literally, if you take the time to listen to your body and feel what's going on for you, feel the tension that you're holding, notice that kind of like crunching of yourself, you know, like the kind of the weight of the world is on you, then your body kind of literally you're crunching underneath it.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you're struggling to lift yourself up and open up as you walk around, then so it's a sign, isn't it?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: That you you are kind of, but lots of people do, and they do and they do that and ignore and just keep going.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so if we can tune into ourselves and just notice these signs, then that is an in an early, it's a way of early indicating waiting, not waiting until it gets too much that um that that whatever's going on for us is something that we need to pay attention to.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I wonder if oh, go ahead.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, and bringing that earlier has been so powerful for me.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: As I say, I probably did kind of hit roller coasters where there's one time I can think of in particular where I was fully burnt out, pushed myself to the max, wasn't listening to the signs, and after that I vowed to myself to not do that, and to to know these signs and to be able to shorten it is so beneficial.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: And something that you said there for me, I noticed when I'm on autopilot, you know, that I remember a time where I got to my office, I'd walked there and I'd like you know, gone through the door, up the stairs to in actually in my office, and I thought, oh, I don't even remember like fobbing in to the front door, or you know, how did I get home on my walk and just not noticing things?
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that sign in itself is oh, I'm on our autopilot, I'm offline, I need to do something to bring myself back online.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I'm just wondering if you have a client that presents in this way to you or is talking to you about this, what are the things that you kind of like would go into and delve into with them to help them kind of look at different ways of of of dealing with what's going on?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting because again, I was having a similar conversation yesterday, and there's this one client on my mind as we're talking because a lot of us aren't encouraged to go into our body and connect to our body, and we've become so intellectualized that um I was having a conversation with a client about stress and how in the past they would turn to things like smoking or eating or drinking, and uh has worked through that, so it doesn't necessarily want uh to reach for the kind of external comforters.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um and so I said, okay, so that's how you used to uh cope with it.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna do this time?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: And the response was well, I'll probably just not think about it for two days and then it'll disappear and I'll forget about it and it'll be fine.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And we it opened up this conversation of reaching for the external, and that's because there's a disconnect that actually let's notice the sensations that are in our body, and that can be for this client in particular, that's really uncomfortable.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want to sit with the uncomfortableness of emotions or sensations, and so we did a little bit of work of just noticing, and the sensations were in their their hands and feet, and we explored, well, what would it and they actually said it makes me want to get out and move now that your body is telling you exactly the answer and the antidote, but I think a lot of this work, and I'm talking about myself here in particular, is step by step learning to connect to yourself and to trust that inner knowing and to trust that your body has is trying to send you signals and messages and to pick up on them.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think there is a little bit of um, a little bit of a process involved in that.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we've talked quite a few times of what would it be like to sit with the emotions and how is that for you?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that's I can see very resistant and uncomfortable, but actually the way we worded it of real curiosity, what would it be like to understand this part?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the emotions.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine if that was a person and what's the relationship that you have right now, they said like an old friend that you don't really want to hang out with anymore.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so with real curiosity, we were like, okay, well, what would it be like to build that friendship again and get to know it?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think there is a little bit of a process, but ultimately, and I think this is what we talk about often, being able to trust yourself, your inner knowing, your energy, your everything is so, so powerful.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: And what you do in the topic that we're talking about now, yeah, allows you to know you've got the answers to look after yourself, or I've got the signal, I'm not looking after myself, perhaps as well as I could be.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: What else can I do?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: And to have those kind of um those those tools available to you to just then simple tools that you know can help you to kind of I think it is so important.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just so important that you are able to face whatever is there beneath beneath the kind of the the either the the automated habit or you know, when you see yourself reaching for something and you want to do it differently, you know what that's that kind of you like you've just been talking about.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: How do we how do we create something different instead of doing the the automation?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that was coming to mind to me that there was I was reading something recently about how important play is as a way of creating new habits because when we bring some play into our lives, it helps us to understand that we can be that we can have bring levity, we can bring lightness, we can bring curiosity to our behaviors, to what we do, as opposed to looking at ourselves so seriously and critically.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that mindset switch where we just look at it from a more kind of like light perspective, as opposed to a like, I'm doing it wrong, I'm doing something wrong here, I'm criticizing, you know, like I'm judging myself for not being able to do it differently.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: As soon as you do that, that isn't really energetically so contracting and creates rigidity and tightness around the issue, yeah, that you literally can't see what other possibilities are available to you.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: So when you can bring more lightness and a little bit of playfulness to, oh, that's interesting, I'm behaving like that again.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's very me.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I've always done that.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if I could do it differently.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of just literally different way of talking to yourself in that situation can offer you like an openness that then brings in energetically a different opportunity for you.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: You might just see something really obvious then that would make sense to you to do instead.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I totally agree.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think curiosity in in everything that you've perfectly just explained does create that openness and and I want to say more compassionate route of okay, let's notice this, or let's get curious.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: What would it be like?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's so much more safe for us than, and this is something that came up with the client as well of saying you're in your fields, sit with them.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: If that's not safe, of course, is that resistance and that rigidity because I don't know how to do this.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: What if I do get it wrong?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: What if I can't help myself here?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but actually that curiosity, and we talked about meet that person for 30 seconds, it can be as little as that sometimes to say, Oh, I'm just gonna meet this.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: What have you got to tell me?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the other thing that I'm just springing into my mind there is we always think something has to be really linear, so that if we've got a problem, then we have to face that problem, like we have to face the problem with the with the different way of looking at it, say, with a lightness.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, if you find a practice of play, like I say this all the time on my yoga, um to my yoga students or yoga um clients, like when we're on our mats moving around, it's an opportunity to be ex to explore and to be curious about how your body moves, don't take it too seriously, don't worry about getting it perfect.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Think about oh, how does this feel?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: But does it feel differently if I move like this?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Does it feel differently if I do that?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: What you give yourself there is the opportunity to explore, and then you you kind of normalize the the kind of the practice of exploring in one area of your life, and then it becomes something that is easier to do in the more difficult areas of your life as well.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: So you almost just have to find ways of experiencing that playfulness, that exploration, bringing that lightness into your life somewhere, but that you can then bring it into your life in the more kind of challenging moments as well.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely and it's practicing, isn't it?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: And again, well, as we talk about safety, if we've practiced it when the really difficult the burnout or the stress or the really heavy emotions or whatever it is, we've got a tool that we can go back to, and that comes up often in in the client world is if we go from a reactive model when we're already in that unsafe, um like nervous state, yes, we lose access to all memory.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: So we can't remember the really great things that we've talked about, but practicing it it gives us a little bit more ability to be able to literally remember and access it.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: And something that I talked about with with clients, and I noticed I haven't done myself, and it comes up often with clients, is make a little say uh uh self care menu.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason this came up for me was I'm not great for habits, I'm not someone who has a morning and a night routine.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I've introduced a little night ritual, which has been amazing for me.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: For me, what works well is I have a toolbox.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Of things that I can access when I need them.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, that's um I was just trying to find it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a walk when I'm in my head.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Or um I think I I have that movement's a really important part of that for me.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's like if I feel that like it if I know like reaching for any type of movement, like just like you say, a walk, a stretch, a roll, like a roll, even put some music on, that's always a good one for me as well.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um walking away from something, if it's really, if it's really causing me a lot of tension, not trying, not forcing myself to sit at something and just getting away from it, uh as far away from it as I can, either physically or mentally.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know I trust the process now and know that if I give something space, I can have a different perspective on it at a different time.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so I give I give myself permission to stop trying to force it, yeah and move away from it.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's in like that's in everything that could be in a relationship thing, that could be a conversation that's been a bit challenging in a relationship or or you know, a pr or trying to do some work, you know, trying to create something, trying to write something, um anything really, but permission to not force.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think space is so powerful when we take that moment.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess this all comes in together.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: When we when we take that moment, we take that breath for ourselves, we take get away, or we just take a moment, it does allow us to create a little bit of space between what it is that's in front of us, and we can think about it it differently.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: And like you say, there's so many different tools that we can work for us at different times, but also there'll be things that work for you that don't for me.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's why it's nice to have like you with just looking there at yours.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you know, to create your own when you know what works for you, pop that on your menu, pop that on your list on into your toolkit, because everybody is different, and of course, that the way that they um the way that you need to be supported is unique to you because you are unique, so yeah, yeah.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so there are lots of things there, yes.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Was there anything else on that list that you wanted to add?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think, like you say, we've we've we've covered most of it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: For me, walks give me such a good uh just a refresh in my mind.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Hikes are my biggest switch off time, so it was just a reminder, like that's so restorative for me.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a reminder to put them in.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, because I can't always hike when something's going on, but it's knowing that I've got that regular um yoga, stretch, journal, network.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we just need connect, yeah.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: People, yeah, people.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we need.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes I need to be alone and have a bath.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I put facial and massage because I can do that for myself.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't even doesn't always need to be um bought a nap.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's okay to just give in to a nap and get into bed sometimes.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Gratitude, small wins, dancing, singing.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many things that we can do.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and just to go back to what you said before is something I've really leaned into in in yoga is meeting myself where I am on the mat at that time.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes my downward dog will be strong and powerful.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes I need that child's pose, and I won't even necessarily know what I'm getting into until I'm on that mat.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I think that's the power of checking in with ourselves and and trusting us ourselves.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Excellent.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And all those, all of the above are actually really useful things for me as well.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, um, I think coming back to if you're not washing your hair regular at your not at your regular time, because everybody's different, as we've just said, we're all unique.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're getting those signs that things are maybe a little bit off, remember first of all that energetically we are in a big time of change.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay if things are feeling hard.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: We've we've talked about that, but you know, make sure that you are finding keeping those tools close at hand so that you can allow yourself that kind of moment of change with some grace, with some compassion, with some ease around yourself.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't always have to be a huge challenge, it doesn't always have to be serious.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: We can bring some lightness to the potential that change is bringing.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Those are some of the things we've covered, I think.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think what a beautiful end.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And something just to to to briefly leave you with is I see how much you have must have built that within yourself, that connection to yourself, that trust to yourself, in your body, in your emotions.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: You are someone who I just think, you know, really has that ability to tap into yourself with all of the tools I imagine have led you there with your with yoga, with energetics, with human design.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine there's a whole list of things that have created that, but it's amazing to see that in you and how you demonstrate and also create that for other people, that comfortability to be comfortable with who you are.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, I think that that that that for me is well, for you to be able to see that is great, and but I just think that actually it well, it is just a it's a thank you, isn't it?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: No much more than that.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm gonna say a thank you to you for being you and for doing this that I'm thoroughly enjoying.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: So let's end with a little bit of gratitude because that definitely raises our energy and our vibration, doesn't it?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Gratitude um for all of this and for these conversations until next time, Danielle.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and thank you to anyone listening.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you guys.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: See you again.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: See you soon.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.