Latest / She Rises with Ashy & Tijana / 265. Can Sex Ever Be "Just Sex"?
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Apodge Production. Welcome to the shep Risers Podcast. I'm Ashy
- 0:13Speaker 1: and I'm Tiana. This podcast is about female empowerment.
- 0:16Speaker 2: And encouraging you to be your biggest, boldest, and most
- 0:19Speaker 2: authentic version of yourself.
- 0:20Speaker 1: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level.
- 0:23Speaker 1: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone
- 0:26Speaker 1: else is too afraid to talk about.
- 0:28Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self.
- 0:32Speaker 1: We're now discussing the rules and how you want to
- 0:36Speaker 1: be and what feels good for you, but then also
- 0:37Speaker 1: your values, yes, and when your body feels safe. I'll
- 0:41Speaker 1: let you elaborate more. But it's such a cool conversation
- 0:43Speaker 1: because I can really see both sides of it now.
- 0:45Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was a really interesting conversation to have
- 0:47Speaker 2: because I really notice these rules and things that I
- 0:50Speaker 2: have on myself and just from conditioning as well, I'm like, oh, okay,
- 0:54Speaker 2: I'm allowed to do this.
- 0:54Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to do this. I shouldn't want that,
- 0:57Speaker 3: you know.
- 0:57Speaker 2: And now I'm in just like a beautiful place now
- 0:59Speaker 2: that I'm single as well, where I'm like, okay, would
- 1:01Speaker 2: I want to explore having somebody that I get to
- 1:03Speaker 2: spend time with and be into my with and all
- 1:05Speaker 2: those things. But then when we had a conversation about
- 1:08Speaker 2: it and you were like, do you want to fuck buddy?
- 1:09Speaker 2: I was like, to be honest, I don't really like
- 1:12Speaker 2: for me personally, I need to connect with somebody. I
- 1:15Speaker 2: need the emotional connection, I need the intellectual stimulation. I
- 1:18Speaker 2: need all of those things. And I've had a one
- 1:20Speaker 2: night stand once in my life. I was probably fresh eighteen,
- 1:23Speaker 2: and I never did it again. It just didn't feel
- 1:25Speaker 2: good for me, you know. But no judgment to anybody
- 1:27Speaker 2: who does it. If that feels good for you and
- 1:29Speaker 2: that's how you get pleasure, fucking go for your life.
- 1:31Speaker 2: I love that for you. But for me, and even
- 1:34Speaker 2: now in this season in my life, I'm like, ooh,
- 1:35Speaker 2: is that something that I would want to explore?
- 1:38Speaker 3: You know, It's cool.
- 1:39Speaker 1: I just asked you that question the other day too.
- 1:40Speaker 1: I was like, you said, you know, when I was younger,
- 1:42Speaker 1: it had that experience. I said, when you're younger, it
- 1:44Speaker 1: was a hard no. After that, Yeah, does it look
- 1:46Speaker 1: different now as a twenty seven year old woman. I
- 1:48Speaker 1: think you'd come to the conclusion that it doesn't because
- 1:50Speaker 1: you still requiet that connection.
- 1:52Speaker 2: I feel like it still is the same for me,
- 1:54Speaker 2: because like what you were talking about with the value
- 1:56Speaker 2: side of things, it's like, well, for me, I value connection,
- 1:59Speaker 2: and I value intimacy, and I value being with one person.
- 2:03Speaker 2: So for me, I'm like, well, I wouldn't feel good
- 2:05Speaker 2: wanting to go bounce like you know, from different person
- 2:07Speaker 2: or have a fuck buddy or something like that. Again,
- 2:10Speaker 2: not saying that it's wrong, I just forgot. It's just
- 2:12Speaker 2: for you, Yeah, get emotionally attached, and that's what you're
- 2:14Speaker 2: talking about. Like you're like, okay, so how do you
- 2:16Speaker 2: do this?
- 2:16Speaker 1: Yeah, what if one person starts like in the other
- 2:18Speaker 1: and the other doesn't, Yeah, cut that off and yeah,
- 2:21Speaker 1: hurt their feelings and then they're in love with you
- 2:23Speaker 1: or you're in love with them, and you both can't
- 2:24Speaker 1: have what you want. And then so that fun sex
- 2:26Speaker 1: isn't so fun in him.
- 2:27Speaker 2: No, because someone's got an emotionally hurt out their emotions involves.
- 2:31Speaker 2: And then I was talking to my other girlfriend about
- 2:33Speaker 2: it and she's like, yeah, you just like, you know,
- 2:34Speaker 2: separate your emotion from it, be really clear about what
- 2:37Speaker 2: you want in the beginning, and then that way you like,
- 2:39Speaker 2: you know, you know that you're not going to be
- 2:40Speaker 2: in a relationship with him, And I'm like, but how
- 2:42Speaker 2: do you not fall for them?
- 2:43Speaker 1: Yeah? Because for you sex is love and connections yeah,
- 2:46Speaker 1: and start to grow.
- 2:47Speaker 2: And then also connection. But she's like, yeah, but you
- 2:49Speaker 2: don't see them for anything else. And I'm like, how
- 2:51Speaker 2: do you do that?
- 2:52Speaker 1: And I don't understand how you do that hither because
- 2:53Speaker 1: I've never had a one night stand. But when I'm
- 2:55Speaker 1: kissing Steve and making love with him, that's love. So
- 2:58Speaker 1: when you're doing that with a stranger or someone you
- 3:00Speaker 1: don't really know, do you still kiss the same as?
- 3:02Speaker 1: It still really intimate? You're into each other and then
- 3:04Speaker 1: like see yea go about your day. Yeah that feels
- 3:07Speaker 1: foreign to me?
- 3:08Speaker 3: Or or is it like less intimate and then more yeah?
- 3:12Speaker 1: Just a fuck? Yeah not.
- 3:13Speaker 2: Love making is a different energy. I don't think you
- 3:15Speaker 2: could love make? Can you love make with somebody? Who's?
- 3:18Speaker 3: Need to ask her?
- 3:19Speaker 1: I need to call her, honestly, dullah love Oh my god?
- 3:22Speaker 1: Would she?
- 3:23Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 3:24Speaker 1: Let's try it. That'll be so cool.
- 3:27Speaker 2: Hi, we've got you live on the air, babe, amazing,
- 3:33Speaker 2: Like I did not expect this to Monday morning.
- 3:36Speaker 1: So good.
- 3:36Speaker 3: Okay, we want to ask you a question.
- 3:38Speaker 2: Yes, so we wanted to know if you think it's
- 3:41Speaker 2: possible to not be let's say, one night stand or
- 3:45Speaker 2: something like that. Do you think it's possible to love, make,
- 3:48Speaker 2: or have like true intimacy with somebody that you're not
- 3:50Speaker 2: emotionally connected with.
- 3:53Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think it's possible.
- 3:55Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I feel like when you're with somebody,
- 3:59Speaker 4: if you still have like a connection in a lastful,
- 4:03Speaker 4: sensual way, like I still feel like it can be,
- 4:07Speaker 4: you know, just as connected as if it were with
- 4:10Speaker 4: your partner that you are in love with. You know,
- 4:12Speaker 4: you're comfortable and you feel safe. And I definitely think
- 4:15Speaker 4: it's possible.
- 4:16Speaker 1: Because I feel like when I'm making love with Steve
- 4:18Speaker 1: and we're looking at each other's eyes and like we're
- 4:20Speaker 1: holding each other and there's just so much love pouring
- 4:22Speaker 1: out energetically and physically and spiritually. It's just this depth
- 4:26Speaker 1: of connection. Like I can't imagine being with someone that
- 4:29Speaker 1: I don't know and still looking at like do you
- 4:30Speaker 1: still look in the eye, you still kiss them passionately,
- 4:32Speaker 1: and then you're like Okay, see, y'ah, thanks for a
- 4:34Speaker 1: great time, Like how does that work?
- 4:38Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know I think you have to be
- 4:41Speaker 4: fully like comfortable and vulnerable in that space. Still, you know, like,
- 4:45Speaker 4: obviously it's not the same as if it were your
- 4:47Speaker 4: husbands that you have children, Like it's never going to
- 4:50Speaker 4: be that same exact feeling. But I still think you
- 4:54Speaker 4: can get that level of connection with somebody if, yeah,
- 4:59Speaker 4: if you both have an understanding and respect for each
- 5:01Speaker 4: other and you know, are friends with benefits situation where
- 5:04Speaker 4: you you are actual friends but you both know that
- 5:09Speaker 4: it's not going to be like a relationship, but you
- 5:13Speaker 4: can still enjoy each other's company. And I don't know
- 5:15Speaker 4: from personal experience, I've had a friends with benefits situation,
- 5:19Speaker 4: and this sex was incredible and passionate and it was amazing,
- 5:23Speaker 4: and I did feel connected on a deeper level. And
- 5:26Speaker 4: it was nice because like, you know, after we were done,
- 5:29Speaker 4: we just hang out, have a cuddle, and then I
- 5:31Speaker 4: go home, and I didn't feel like I needed to
- 5:33Speaker 4: overthink anything or overanalyze anything or question how he felt
- 5:37Speaker 4: about me and all these things. Great. I had an
- 5:40Speaker 4: amazing that is sex, and now I can go home
- 5:42Speaker 4: and chill out.
- 5:42Speaker 1: You know, I love that. And then there's like there's
- 5:45Speaker 1: also no strings attached to you both know where you're at,
- 5:49Speaker 1: and you just enjoy each other's body and you're you're like,
- 5:51Speaker 1: you're a woman that love sex, so.
- 5:53Speaker 3: You get to enjoy that. Yeah, And do you think it?
- 5:56Speaker 3: Do you think that you can do it?
- 5:58Speaker 2: You hear that, ladies, So do you think that it's
- 6:01Speaker 2: possible to be able to have that same level of
- 6:04Speaker 2: like intimacy and connection and like more passion even if
- 6:08Speaker 2: you aren't spending like super quality time with that person,
- 6:10Speaker 2: you know? Because obviously, like would you have to have
- 6:12Speaker 2: boundaries around that? Do you have to do you know
- 6:14Speaker 2: what I mean? Like do you spend time with them?
- 6:16Speaker 2: Or is it just like an in and out kind
- 6:17Speaker 2: of thing.
- 6:18Speaker 4: I mean, I can't speak for everyone, but I've had
- 6:22Speaker 4: probably two situations where it has been a friend of
- 6:25Speaker 4: benefits thing where we know that there's no future and
- 6:27Speaker 4: like there's just an understanding of that, but we still
- 6:29Speaker 4: enjoyed each other's company, listened to music, had a good time,
- 6:33Speaker 4: had great sex. Like I never felt like either of
- 6:36Speaker 4: us were annoying each other. We were just friends and
- 6:39Speaker 4: still had deep conversations at certain times, but then it
- 6:44Speaker 4: was like, you know, good morning, Kye, And I was
- 6:46Speaker 4: like ooh, I'm just going to get on with my day.
- 6:48Speaker 4: Thank you for a great time, you know. But it
- 6:52Speaker 4: was just like it both like an understanding and respect
- 6:54Speaker 4: that we both had for each other. We still enjoyed
- 6:56Speaker 4: each other's company, and it was passionate and it was
- 6:59Speaker 4: it still meant something, you know. It's just that I
- 7:01Speaker 4: wasn't the type of like I still am a human being,
- 7:04Speaker 4: real sex beans, we'll want to have sex. I mean,
- 7:06Speaker 4: I having sex, but I don't want to sleep with
- 7:09Speaker 4: you know, a thousand people when I that's just hurt
- 7:12Speaker 4: me personally. Even if you are doing that. Love that
- 7:15Speaker 4: as well for support. But you know, I was like,
- 7:18Speaker 4: I still want to be able to have passionate sex
- 7:21Speaker 4: with somebody that is you know that I'm comfortable with
- 7:24Speaker 4: respects me and I respect them. Yeah, you know, I
- 7:27Speaker 4: didn't want a relationship at the time with that person.
- 7:30Speaker 3: Oh I love that. Yeah cool. Thank you so much, fabe,
- 7:33Speaker 3: Thank you. We appreciate you.
- 7:35Speaker 1: We'd love you.
- 7:38Speaker 3: I'll talk to you later, okay, guy, we'll do We'll
- 7:41Speaker 3: be calling you for more questions.
- 7:45Speaker 1: Love me, babe, Bye bye.
- 7:47Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to know when you haven't had
- 7:51Speaker 2: a lot of one night stands. You know, whether you
- 7:53Speaker 2: can have love making with them or is it just
- 7:55Speaker 2: like disconnected and you're just there for the physical act
- 7:58Speaker 2: and the art of pleasure.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Yes. So I think if you win in with that
- 8:01Speaker 1: intention that it's just pleasurable, could be really good.
- 8:04Speaker 2: I just don't know how you can emotionally detach like that.
- 8:06Speaker 2: For me, I'm just like I need the emotional connection.
- 8:08Speaker 2: I need to be connected to them. They need to
- 8:10Speaker 2: make me laugh, We need to have good band to
- 8:12Speaker 2: have deep conversations, and then that way my body opens.
- 8:15Speaker 3: Whereas like, if I don't have that, I'm like, don't
- 8:17Speaker 3: fucking touch me.
- 8:18Speaker 1: Yeah, you know sure, And it would be hard if
- 8:20Speaker 1: you caught feelings for them and then they reject you
- 8:23Speaker 1: and like, oh, we can't do this anymore, and then
- 8:24Speaker 1: you have to cut it off and then you lose
- 8:26Speaker 1: that person.
- 8:26Speaker 3: Yeah, abandonment we're in Tello.
- 8:28Speaker 1: Yeah, or vice FIRSTA. If they started to fall for you,
- 8:31Speaker 1: you'd be like, ooh, with how to cut this off? Now?
- 8:33Speaker 1: I can't keep bleeding you on because I don't want
- 8:34Speaker 1: anything further rat. I just wanted to have fun with you.
- 8:37Speaker 2: But the thing that I wonder about is if you're
- 8:39Speaker 2: not actively spending time with them and having the deep
- 8:42Speaker 2: conversations with them, But you're only in it for the
- 8:44Speaker 2: physical art of the act. Then would you not build
- 8:48Speaker 2: emotion for them? Would you not catch feelings for them?
- 8:50Speaker 1: I think you could care about them, but I don't
- 8:52Speaker 1: think you'd always fall in love with them.
- 8:53Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 8:54Speaker 1: So I think some people are just you could be
- 8:55Speaker 1: physically attracted to, but not want to pursue a relationship
- 8:59Speaker 1: and get married to them. Yeah.
- 9:00Speaker 2: I don't know, like find them attractive, you think that
- 9:02Speaker 2: they're a great person, you're sexually chemistry.
- 9:06Speaker 1: I think you definitely could just enjoy the act of
- 9:10Speaker 1: sex with someone without falling for them, because it's different.
- 9:13Speaker 1: But friendships, you meet so many friends and you love
- 9:15Speaker 1: them for who they are, and they've got different attributes
- 9:17Speaker 1: and you have different fun with different people for different reasons.
- 9:19Speaker 3: It's a good point. You don't meet a guy.
- 9:20Speaker 1: And think, oh, I have to marry him. You just
- 9:22Speaker 1: enjoy different things about him, Like you just enjoy his cock. Sorry,
- 9:27Speaker 1: we were just having this conversation the other day. I
- 9:29Speaker 1: love said cock and not dick. Like I've had a
- 9:33Speaker 1: girlfriend who is with this guy and she knew she
- 9:36Speaker 1: was never going to marry him, but she just could
- 9:38Speaker 1: not get away from him because the sex was so good.
- 9:40Speaker 2: Wow.
- 9:40Speaker 1: Their sexual chemistry was just like magnetic. They could not
- 9:43Speaker 1: get enough of each other. But she was like, oh
- 9:46Speaker 1: everything else about him, like I would never want him
- 9:47Speaker 1: to be the father of my children. Yeah, well I
- 9:49Speaker 1: don't want a life with him, Like I don't eve
- 9:50Speaker 1: want a relationship with him. I'm almost like embarrassed to
- 9:53Speaker 1: say how much I have sex with him. But the
- 9:55Speaker 1: sex is so good. But she was emotionally not not
- 9:58Speaker 1: into him, but the sex was just that good she
- 10:00Speaker 1: couldn't keep away from him.
- 10:01Speaker 2: Wow.
- 10:02Speaker 1: In my head, that's why I imagine for you, like,
- 10:04Speaker 1: if you're not wanting to be in alationship but you
- 10:06Speaker 1: love sex, then that can be an option. But also
- 10:09Speaker 1: everyone's so different, you know.
- 10:11Speaker 2: But then I think what gets me is like the
- 10:13Speaker 2: you know, having to get to know someone. What if
- 10:16Speaker 2: the sex isn't good. Yeah, and then energy, it's a
- 10:20Speaker 2: lot of energy out.
- 10:21Speaker 3: I'm like, I already have a lot of energy out.
- 10:23Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the conclusion we came to the other day.
- 10:25Speaker 1: For you.
- 10:25Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, who else the time?
- 10:29Speaker 1: My big rader.
- 10:30Speaker 3: Honestly, I've been using that girl every day that this.
- 10:33Speaker 1: Is us just talking raw about it, have answers and
- 10:36Speaker 1: there's no wronger rite you know.
- 10:37Speaker 3: What else is interesting?
- 10:38Speaker 2: Tell me what's you know how we talk about you
- 10:41Speaker 2: guys are gonna laugh when we talk about Fanny flutters.
- 10:43Speaker 1: Yes, fatter We heard this O my eyebrown lady. She
- 10:47Speaker 1: told me she had them, and I just had not
- 10:48Speaker 1: heard that in the years, And I told you, yeah,
- 10:50Speaker 1: she brought it in to the conversation.
- 10:51Speaker 2: Who just thought it was so funny and it's so
- 10:54Speaker 2: true that if you've ever experienced it, you know that
- 10:55Speaker 2: feeling that you kind of get in your pussy when
- 10:57Speaker 2: like you're really turned on by someone, or you're really
- 10:59Speaker 2: attracted or they say something and it just hits the
- 11:02Speaker 2: right spot and you're like, oh, that was a bit cheeky,
- 11:04Speaker 2: like fun and playful. Does that happen when you're wanting
- 11:08Speaker 2: to just sleep with somebody?
- 11:09Speaker 1: I would think so surely. Yeah, you're going in with
- 11:12Speaker 1: intention to have sex, Yeah, to be turned on and
- 11:14Speaker 1: have fun.
- 11:15Speaker 3: See, I feel like I would need that feeling. Yeah,
- 11:17Speaker 3: I don't know I would do it without that.
- 11:18Speaker 2: No, Like there are men that I find attractive, but
- 11:20Speaker 2: I don't have that feeling with do you know what
- 11:22Speaker 2: I mean?
- 11:22Speaker 1: So that I'm like, there was a conversation around listening
- 11:25Speaker 1: to your intuition, yes, because you would say, oh, I've
- 11:27Speaker 1: met this guy, da da da, Oh, but XYZ doesn't
- 11:30Speaker 1: feel good for me. That's a red flag for me.
- 11:32Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there's your answer. Yeah, you know what
- 11:34Speaker 1: to do here. Yeah, you know it's not worth your
- 11:36Speaker 1: energy out for sure. Your time's precious. Yeah, your gut's
- 11:38Speaker 1: already giving you the red flag.
- 11:40Speaker 4: It's on.
- 11:40Speaker 2: And it's just because somebody shows you interest doesn't mean
- 11:42Speaker 2: you automatically have to show interest back.
- 11:44Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 11:44Speaker 2: I think that's just a cool little thing to kind
- 11:47Speaker 2: of pay attention to. Definitely, I remember saying to you
- 11:49Speaker 2: just being like, oh, I just don't have the energy
- 11:51Speaker 2: to entertain this or do this, or have the want
- 11:54Speaker 2: to continue talking or.
- 11:56Speaker 1: I think, and it could be a generalization, but I
- 11:58Speaker 1: think when you meet someone you will want to go
- 12:00Speaker 1: on that date. If you don't want to, I think
- 12:02Speaker 1: it's a big intuition. It's a big saying no, yeah,
- 12:06Speaker 1: if your body's not a full yes, I think listen
- 12:09Speaker 1: to that so interesting, We've gone really off topic.
- 12:13Speaker 3: They really have you know, it's actually funny.
- 12:15Speaker 2: Yes, Laiala Hall Mosey talks about dating like it's a
- 12:18Speaker 2: numbers game, as if it's business. She's the only person
- 12:21Speaker 2: that I've heard talk about it like this, And I
- 12:22Speaker 2: actually respect her so much for it because she talks
- 12:25Speaker 2: about dating as in like, of course, you're not going
- 12:28Speaker 2: to meet the person that you meant to be with
- 12:29Speaker 2: or the love of your life or you know, someone
- 12:31Speaker 2: that you actually gel with if you aren't going on dates.
- 12:34Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just.
- 12:34Speaker 2: Found it so interesting because for her, for a year
- 12:37Speaker 2: and a half before she met Alex, which is her
- 12:39Speaker 2: now husband, she went on a date every single week
- 12:42Speaker 2: for a year and a half. Wow, And like, respect
- 12:44Speaker 2: to her for doing it.
- 12:45Speaker 3: It's a lot of energy. I don't think I could
- 12:46Speaker 3: do that, A lot of small talk.
- 12:48Speaker 2: And she said on her lunch breaks she was on
- 12:50Speaker 2: dating apps and stuff like going on dates and talking
- 12:52Speaker 2: to people, and she's like, of course, because it's a
- 12:54Speaker 2: numbers game, she think I'm going to find like my personal.
- 12:56Speaker 1: Said that, you know, yeah, he gave it the advice
- 12:59Speaker 1: to someone that was really against dating apps. Can't remember
- 13:01Speaker 1: her it was, but he basically said, like, if you're
- 13:04Speaker 1: not on there, everyone else is your turn sets behind.
- 13:06Speaker 1: This is spodern day dating. Yeah, wow, very Yes you
- 13:09Speaker 1: can meet people organically for sure, but most people are
- 13:13Speaker 1: on there. Yes, and yes there's a lot of fucking
- 13:15Speaker 1: around on there. I'm sure I've never been on there,
- 13:16Speaker 1: but from what I've heard from friends, there's a lot
- 13:19Speaker 1: of fucking around and sifting through the potential candidates. Sounds exhausting,
- 13:23Speaker 1: but yeah, if you're not on there, then nine of
- 13:25Speaker 1: us in the population is. So they're putting theirselves out there.
- 13:28Speaker 1: They're more likely going to meet someone. Most people I
- 13:30Speaker 1: know have met on dating sites. Steve and I met
- 13:32Speaker 1: on Facebook, my mum and her partner of like over
- 13:34Speaker 1: ten years now, I bet on a dating app. Steve
- 13:36Speaker 1: sent you a screenshot.
- 13:37Speaker 4: The other day.
- 13:37Speaker 3: Oh my god.
- 13:39Speaker 2: So Steve sent me this thing and he was like,
- 13:43Speaker 2: He's like, I found you a keeper.
- 13:46Speaker 1: Steve on the Hunts fift.
- 13:48Speaker 3: So it's like Martin thirty seven. Mind you.
- 13:51Speaker 2: He's got like the bull piercing in his nose. You know,
- 13:54Speaker 2: I don't know what it's called.
- 13:55Speaker 1: Beard full big beard.
- 13:57Speaker 2: Stretches in his ears and he goes about me, five
- 13:59Speaker 2: foot eight, straight man, less than a mile away.
- 14:02Speaker 3: I'm a single father of three. They are my world.
- 14:04Speaker 2: If you don't have what it takes to help me
- 14:05Speaker 2: raise my kids, then move aside. Let a real woman
- 14:07Speaker 2: step up. If you want me alone, you have to
- 14:09Speaker 2: pay for the babysitter. Must help pay for beard and
- 14:12Speaker 2: hair care. Being this beautiful isn't cheap. Wing face. Must
- 14:16Speaker 2: have your own car, preferably a seven seater, must cook clean,
- 14:20Speaker 2: be submissive, and no taller than five to seven, no
- 14:22Speaker 2: heavier than one hundred kilos. Must be fit and have
- 14:25Speaker 2: your own source of income and your own teeth.
- 14:29Speaker 1: What the actual fuck I wish I could show you.
- 14:32Speaker 1: I'm already out. I'm fine nine, so I wouldn't have
- 14:35Speaker 1: I wouldn't even have a chance to don I'm five six,
- 14:38Speaker 1: but I don't know