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#7: From Pedals to Pavement - The Cyclist Who Ran 3:14 in His First Marathon · The People Run Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: came through like halfway pretty much late on right on like 320 um the goal time and then yeah continued to just I was like feeling good so continued just just slowly crank it up and ended up finishing three hours fourteen minutes and I think uh I maybe had a bit too much left in the tank at the end because what's up y'all morning and uh welcome to the People Run Podcast uh show where we talk about everyday runners whether you're a student going to school mom with kids uh you know training you gotta drop them off to school and and you're still getting your mileage in um you're an avid runner uh but today's a little different today I have a good friend of mine out here in Colorado Boulder area Sean who's also a cyclist um he loves cycling so avid cycler runner um gravel to be exact you know in dense him he has some background in soccer uh so let's get right into it and uh talk to Sean get to know Sean a little bit and uh talk about everyday runners the people run.
1:04
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
1:04
SPEAKER_00: What's up Sean?
1:05
SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
1:06
SPEAKER_00: Hey man what's going on?
1:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's good man it's a busy busy week for me.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah we're talking a bit before this but I'm moving out uh still staying in Boulder but moving out of the place I've been living for the past five years this week so yeah nice uh that's always like you know a bit stressful but kind of excited for the next couple months.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: What spurred that on just nicer place?
1:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah so like I've been living with uh the same roommate for the past five years he's like good college buddy stuff yeah I think it's just time to change things up he's also moving in with his girlfriend uh getting serious the solo living thing too so yeah I think you'll enjoy it man you know eat wake up when you want you know I mean you got a little few more uh you know tours to do but I remember the first time when I moved on my own um I don't know for me it was welcoming and it was just like all right man this is my place you know uh if I want to clean up I do if I don't I I I won't you you think you're just gonna chill but eventually you you get a little pride of your own place and then it's like okay I got to make this nice and keep it nice.
2:14
SPEAKER_00: You can invite people when you want have fun you know spruce it up a little bit you can mount your bikes wherever you want now.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah everyone everyone says that once you live by yourself you never go back um right right out of college I was living by myself in Kansas though so then I went to the went to the roommate thing uh for like the next like five seven years or whatever and now we're going back again.
2:39
SPEAKER_00: I got I got lucky man to be honest so I grew up in New York um if you remember a little bit and almost everyone until you got enough money is roommate because it's expense it's expensive right but um I got lucky me and my sister just ended up being roommates it still felt like a roommate don't get me wrong yeah yeah no no but um you know I say lucky that it wasn't like a college with nothing wrong with this but it wasn't like a stranger or a college buddy or something and I remember a lot of my friends were before like um was just random people it wasn't even a close friend which sometimes could be a good or a bad thing but uh I got lucky that that was my only roommate and uh you know after that I went on my own and moved around a bit but uh you know it is fun I think you're gonna enjoy it man yeah where'd you go to uh where'd you go to school?
3:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I went to University of Minnesota so yeah that's sort of why like when I like my the mare only marathon I've done yeah I picked like grandma's uh because Minnesota feels sort of like a adopted home to me.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: Like I grew up in Illinois suburbs of Chicago but I don't really ever see myself moving back there.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: Sorry mom and dad like but uh but like I could see myself moving back to Minnesota someday maybe I like it I went to Chicago for the first time uh last year for the marathon but um got some friends and like family out there and uh I liked it.
4:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I'd moved there right because yeah kind of done with the city life a little bit and and I do like Colorado a lot but it is cool so I kind of get your point I don't know about moving back there.
4:12
SPEAKER_01: Minnesota's cold though man oof I mean everyone says that like Chicago is cold too like it's right on Lake Michigan.
4:20
SPEAKER_01: I think that's the thing Chicago is sweet in the summer like it it's a great it's a great place to be got all the beaches and stuff you can run along the lake front the like the struggle is the winter and Minnesota kind of has this too but it's like you can just go weeks without seeing the sun and that's like not an exaggeration.
4:40
SPEAKER_01: I'll go home for like the holidays at the end of the year or something and like you're you're so used to seeing the sun out here in Colorado.
4:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah like you just like you kind of get used to it and then as soon as that's taken away yeah like seasonal depression I think is like very real for me out there.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah I don't know like yeah Minnesota's kind of similar in that like in the winter but um I don't know like people just like I don't know maybe it's just in my head but I feel like they embrace the winter better in Minnesota and they're out like playing like pond hockey and stuff like that and it's just a cool vibe.
5:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah you gotta you gotta love that cold man and uh one I know it's cold because I know people out there but also the seasonal depression so I had that when I was in Seattle and it's uh for sure Minnesota I would suspect is different like you know you got hockey and and people like it's so cold people get used to it but it's it's definitely it's funny you brought up the sun in Colorado that's kind of what drew me here.
5:32
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of hard to go back.
5:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure when you go back to visit or even for the race it's like oh I can't do this because we're so used to sun especially now summer man I keep telling my friends the sun is out out you see it feel it but it's great it's beautiful man and it's just weird to go back to no sun like right now I'm looking outside it's cloudy and it just feels weird.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah like even yesterday we had a late kind of afternoon evening rainstorm and it was like it was the sun was going like the sun was shining but it was raining so yeah it's it's wild man but um the the only thing I would say with here is and not complaining I love it here.
6:10
SPEAKER_00: Can we get some shade though?
6:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's the only downside I love the sum of most places uh you know especi for you even more I would say probably boulder like a lot of the the the the hot spots for running like they're great right you got a nice gravel road easy on the knees but every time I've been out there man there's no trees no shade and when it's hot it's hot I get the same thing here in some spots too yeah yeah that's that's definitely true and it's like when when I'm on like longer bike rides I'm like packing sunscreen and like always like reapplying it because yeah you'll just you'll get scorched what what kind of stuff talking about that like what kind of stuff do you do?
6:49
SPEAKER_00: So you use sunscreen what what other tips do you have?
6:51
SPEAKER_00: Because I know and we'll get into the running cycling here in a little bit but what kind of stuff do you do to prepare for the sun?
6:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah I mean it's mostly just a lot of like stay hydrated yeah like I like coffee but I'll try like I wake up and I usually like down like like a glass of water first thing in the morning.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: And then like yeah I'll like do some like electrolyte stuff usually most days.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: Now it's like my body kind of just expects that so like if I don't have electrolytes I can just like feel like I don't know like I'm even thirstier or something.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah so I just like making sure I'm hydrated and then yeah it's just like the sunscreen.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: I have a bigger nose so like I really gotta like put a lot of sunscreen on my nose or it'll get burned like first thing.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: And then yeah just just like everywhere else that's exposed especially the tops of your legs because they're like they're kind of always getting hit by the sun right around the knees and stuff.
7:52
SPEAKER_01: Those are like kind of important parts and yeah yeah I'll just pack like a little like it's kind of like a so they have gel packets that are like sunscreen that are nice to like like single use that'll like cover your whole body that's nice to like take around you can get those on like Amazon or like they have like a stick basically like mini deodorant type thing that I'll just use on my like you'll carry it with you like on the bike ride?
8:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: Nice well talking about that let's get right into it how did you get into cycling running yeah um so it's like it's funny that on like a running podcast I probably would have never like expected to be on a running podcast ever.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: Um because like that that's like a relative running is basically a relatively new love for me.
8:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah did grow up playing like and that was kind of like my one sport through high school like the travel did the travel soccer thing but then yeah in high school went out for the team and made it I went to like a bigger high school we had a freshman A and B team uh graduating class was like 1500 kids but I just stopped kind of loving soccer freshman year I guess like just started to be like a lot of politics and stuff involved and so at that time like I I was in a history class and the teacher of the history class like taught the tennis team and they're like if you if you want to go out for tennis we're like always looking for people if you're like just a little bit of an athlete like and you have no tennis experience that's fine you'll learn all trade just do it all yeah and yeah that was awesome like that like I loved I love tennis like the coaches were like really great um they like really kind of like took an interest in like anyone that was like excited to learn they like taught me some like I think really important just like life lessons about like I don't know like one of the coaches was like he was a really big sort of like John Wooden fan uh like the UCLA basketball coach and he had all these like woodenisms and stuff and uh yeah just like learned a lot about just like he always kind of preached enjoy the journey um and I think that's like something that's really important in like training life whatever like you have all your ups and downs and stuff but at the end of the day like you just really got to like enjoy the experience because that's like what's gonna get you through like the tougher days stuff like that.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: But yeah high school is also sort of when I got into biking later in high school like started getting into mountain biking and did this like started doing this like 24 hour mountain bike race not not just me with like three other friends um but it was in Wausau Wisconsin it's called the Waw 24 I think they still have it um but you'd basically do like a one lap out in this like forest uh and on like single track mountain bike stuff the lap was probably like 10 or 12 miles and you'd just like do that for 24 hours.
11:01
SPEAKER_01: So just doing it with like three other friends and yeah we just trade off and like we had no idea what we were doing like we didn't know anything about like fueling or whatever and yeah that was like so like I look back at that now and kind of laugh just just because yeah we were like so in like over our skis and stuff but like it we didn't care like it was just it was just fun to like hang out.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: More fun yeah what was that like you know I I guess you guys sounds like you guys were winging it but the important stuff was there the fun the enjoyment of it right like what was it like preparing did you just yo we just gonna do this go out like and figure it out as we go what was that like yeah pretty much like we did not like we didn't really train to like special like we did it so we did that race sort of like maybe four or five years.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: I don't really remember it it ended up being sort of like we started it like when we were juniors or seniors in high school or something and then when we like went to college it was kind of like a good way to like still meet up over the summer and whatnot.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah that's cool.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: But yeah I don't w remember us really ever training for we'd really go on maybe like you know a couple mountain bike rides throughout the summer uh and that was like about it honestly and um yeah the the fueling was crazy like I discovered gels uh then so like I at least I at least knew about you taking gels yeah um but I I would definitely wasn't consuming like probably enough for sure it just the other like the ways we would fuel in between our laps were kind of ridiculous like I would come back and I'd like slam like a myoplex protein shake after like every single lap so like five or six laps in a day and just like just throwing that stuff down.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: And then like uh another one of my friends he bought he thought it would be like a good idea he went to like Sam's club or something and bought like an eight pack of chef boy RD like beefy raviolis and that's what he was like eating in between all all his laps yeah it's uh yeah I mean I don't I don't think a lot of the information in nutrition like if you take all the information on like that most people know now and actually now as I think about this take for granted like all of it's probably in the last few years like hey you know take a gel every 30 40 minutes you know uh make sure you're getting carbs electrolytes like as much as we all know that now I feel like it's taken for granted so like hey you can't knock it you know chef boyard myoplex you're getting your protein up for sure on those yeah you guys still link up minimum carbs what you and uh those friends you guys still link up every now and then catch up do some uh crazy races or or just ride one of them the Chef Boyard guy yeah okay we we linked up still quite a bit nice and yeah uh another another one he I I lived with him when I first moved out to Colorado for a couple years but yeah we we don't really link up too too much anymore and then the last guy he's uh he's back still living in Illinois so yeah I don't see him too much you get out there often to visit the fam Illinois or or every once in a while yeah not as much as I should like around the holidays okay and then uh yeah like sometimes like in the like summer or fall.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
14:28
SPEAKER_00: So going from mountain biking how'd you get into uh is it gravel was your is your well I know now for sure but like how did gravel become your passion and is what I'm trying to say like after I graduated college I went moved to Kansas.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: Yep I was working for for Garmin that's sort of why I moved to Kansas that's where their their headquarters are um I didn't really have any strong desire to like live in Kansas but like it's like it's a really really cool job I guess.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: So yeah I'll like go go live here for a few years.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: And when I was in Kansas I got into road biking a bit they actually have like hills in Kansas uh like like around like the Kansas City area like a lot of rolling hills so uh yeah it's not not totally flat.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: Um but then like when I moved out to Colorado I think I still did the road biking thing.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: I did the mountain biking.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: I started road biking a lot more in COVID because like there was well like very few cars on the road.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:37
SPEAKER_01: And then like after COVID I got more into gravel just because like yeah the roads started getting busier again gravel also started becoming a lot more popular so I was sort of jumping on that bandwagon but like at the end of the day I just like sort of like the adventure and exploration side that you can like get into like on a bike and like the gravel bike is just like the perfect vehicle for that I think ride it on the roads you can like hop off onto a little trail you can take it on a mountain bike trail sometimes to do a bit of like underbiking they call it but yeah it's that's that's sort of like the journey to gravel.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah man I agree um you know even myself I think we've spoken about this I definitely want to get into gravel funny what last time we spoke about biking I I had a road bike but I recently sold it because I'm all in running right now but at some point I definitely want to get to it and and definitely like when we first spoke get into gravel and something about you brought up views this is where my thought is going is the views here for gravel in Colorado like yeah I know we got roads but like Colorado Boulder just Colorado in general are insane beautiful amazing and everywhere I go like you know how it is you go into town you go into ski town there's everyone's got a bike hitched on the back and you see more mountain gravel here so it's it's definitely like our thing here I'd say in Colorado but man something about the views and even some of your your routes I see when I see it on Strava and stuff is it's just wow insane.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah like you I have to like remind myself to like like pay attention and like take it in like like I think that's that's sort of like the speed of like biking versus running like it's a lot easier to like take in the scenery when I'm on a run because you're just like going at a slower pace.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah but like that's sort of like why I do like the I don't know like I like climbing on the gravel bike because you're like you're going at a slower pace and you can take in the views a lot better than if like you're ripping down some gravel road do you like uh actually it's funny I wanted to ask you that and you you brought it up do you prefer to climb or just fast downhill or just straight you know speed tempo whatever yeah no I like I prefer to climb for sure.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: Well that's wild I enjoy like downhills are fun too yeah flat flat rides yeah they're pretty boring boring to me yeah like I did the other weekend did this ride from Boulder to Estes Park and then met met a couple friends in Estes Park and then we biked up like old Fall River Road in Rocky Mountain National Park because it's it's closed to cars right now while there's snow plowing operations.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: But then yeah like then just came back and like threw my bike in like my buddy's truck and like didn't need to like bike back to Boulder because it's mostly downhill and it's garbage miles.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Just kidding but yeah I've had enough biking for the day at that point.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean yeah what boulder to estes I'll ask you because you did the bike ride so it's probably fresh on your mind but I know it's a long distance how far is that into Rocky as well yeah it's like two estes it's uh it's like 40 45 miles or so and it's like it's all pretty much uphill.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I would have been tired too man's put this on the truck and let's go.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah my butt had had enough that's for sure how do you you know for those listening you know it's funny you brought up the running and cycling but I do plan to get some cycling people on here and there is some people more I have lined up coming you know for those listening who also into cycling or or do both running and cycling how do you feel on those say two hour three four hour cycling uh trips yeah so like I try to like have like a good a good like base before I even go out okay so if I'm doing like a long Saturday ride I'll usually have like uh like a big bowl of oatmeal or something with like granola probably some like maple syrup drizzle drizzled on top and stuff maybe some like berries if I got them and want to spice things up.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: But yeah I think like getting a a base is sort of important and then I I've sort of like changed like I used to like eat more solid foods on longer rides.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Um now I like if I eat I'll sometimes bring like fig bars and stuff and that's like the solid foods I'll eat and if I'm bringing solid foods I'll try and eat them more towards the beginning because they can sometimes take longer to digest and your body like process those carbs because they're not as simple.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: But yeah most of the time it's just like a lot of gels these days I switch to gels because like that's pretty much all I can get down.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: Gels and like carb drinks if I'm doing like a race it's a lot harder to like chew stuff during a race.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: So yeah like I there's some like cyclists that like can consume crazy amounts of carbs like they're like some of like the gravel pros I think they're like aiming for like 130 grams an hour these days they're just like constantly pounding gels.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: I I'm happy if I can get like 80 to 100 in it's funny you say that I've tried uh you probably know this as well right because like one thing for those listening when you're in boulder like you kind of get to see or or correct me if I'm wrong Sean I feel like you get a little bit more accessor to see what pros do a little bit or you hear word of mouth.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: You know Boulder is very known now but it's also small like and what I'm getting at like you can hear what cyclists do you can hear what uh runners do like scratches there.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: Um you know you got all these people and uh man I would hear the same thing for running where like you got like pros or like very fast people trying to get in 100 120 grams of carbs and I'm like where running you know and these people are fast so and my last my last build just kind of happened naturally and I learned a lesson through that which I can get to the end but I was like man let me try to get more carbs on these long runs in a in prep for the marathon and uh I had switched to like Morton's for the race but also like some other gel brands pre Morton like pre race to not go into Morton and not like spend crazy money like that were like 40 grams per gel.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah Morton's get crazy.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean it Nice to train all of them, but do you really need to?
22:01
SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe a few weeks out from the race, make sure your gut and stomach is fine.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: But I would get in like 40 every 30 minutes or whatever.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: And it took me a while to get used to those 80 to 100 grams.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: Keep in mind I would also have like a bottle and drink at the same time, like some scratch or something, which is another 20.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: So I was getting in like 100 grams.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: And I don't think I like, I mean, maybe I could get used to it in the future, but I don't think I liked it to be honest with you.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: Maybe if you're faster because you're expending more energy and and you know you're going faster, you're gonna need more, but like, man, that was rough, is what I'm getting at.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's uh I think it took me a while to like adapt to it.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: And like I definitely like, yeah, I don't think you can go like straight to just like all gels.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think you need like some like combination of like solid food and gels, like at least I did, as I was like transitioning, or like gummies or like something, but yeah, it's rough.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: It it's rough some like the next day too, like when your system's not used to like that.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: If you like went out for like a super long ride or run or something, and now like half your calories for the day were just in like the form of liquid or gels, like it's not gonna do good things for your digestion.
23:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that is uh it's crazy because I think about it often because I have a lot of cycling friends, like and I see cyclists, like they tend to eat more than like the gels, and it's kind of you know, but we're kind of almost always hitting the same carbs a little bit, maybe a little bit more on the cycling, because cycling tends to go over two hours consistently, especially your rights.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, so like finding that balance.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, I even have a friend that does Iron Man's too, and like his stuff is different, like where you'll do that.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, I've never touched a two, to be honest with you, like ever.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: Like, maybe just for fun, but not during training ever.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: But like in cycling, twos are everything, like from what I've seen, and no, or like some people like it.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: So it gets crazy, man.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Before I ask you running, I do want to ask you though, um, you know, because we were kind of touching on it.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: We got Colorado here, beautiful views.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: But for those listening, right, we spoke about this funny enough.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, Sean has gone on some insane beautiful rides even outside the country.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about that a little bit.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: What has been some of your favorite, you know, road ride trips you've done?
24:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'll hint one, you know, we went to Spain.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: He went to Spain.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, is that your favorite?
24:25
SPEAKER_00: But talk to us about some of those rides you've been and some of those trips.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yes, Spain.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, I went to Spain uh sort of for like it was like a little over six weeks.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh the dream, the dream.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm lucky, like I had have a remote job that sort of like allowed me to like go over there.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I pretty much worked like US East Coast hours while I was there.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: So roughly like 3 to 4 p.m.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Spain time to like midnight or so basically.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: I was working, and like before then, uh I was just like trying to like bike as much as possible, also go for cool runs.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: I I was in Girona, Spain for like the first month, and then which is like that's sort of like a big like cycling destination hub.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, a lot of pros go there and train.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's how I found out about it.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: There's so many like bike shops, and then after like Girona, I went to an island off of Spain called Mallorca.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: If you're into cycling, like go to go to Mallorca if you can like it's unreal.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Basically, is like every ride I did there is probably like in my top 10 rides for sure that I've ever done.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's there's one ride out there, um, this climb called like Sa Calabra.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh and like the the like road infrastructure is just like crazy.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: Like it's just like like you see like a picture, and the roads are sort of just like all weaving up this mountain, but like intertwined.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: It like looks basically like if you if you have like a plate of spaghetti and you like twirl some spaghetti on your fork and like hold it up, that's like kind of what it looks like.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: And there's just bikers like everywhere.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's it's beautiful.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: There's so many different climbs you can do out to like different ports and stuff.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that trip looked beautiful, man.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: I've been to Spain and and and love it, man.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: But thinking of cycling some of those roads, I love the explanation of spaghetti.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh those twisty roads.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: I can't like that.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: I can't take full credit for that.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: That was like this.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: I was in this like cycling cafe out there, and they had like some t-shirt that was like the like side climber climb where like some artist had done this like cartoony thing with like the spaghetti.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, that that's totally what that looks like.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: That's wow.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: How was the uh because I know you had some and you have to if you cycling, how was the the coffee stops and pastries?
27:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like that's probably the part I left out in like the like eating all the gels.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: Like there's there's uh you're gonna stop at like coffee shops, like if you're out on a long ride, and yeah, like the the pastries out there are like insane.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Like there they have so many like shops and stuff too.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Like there's like I mean, we have a lot of like pastry places uh in Colorado.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, like they have they have a bunch out there too.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: There's like in Girona, and every town kind of has like its own like pastry they're known for, or whatever.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: So like Girona was like they had these things called, I hope I don't butcher the name, but they're like Zuzos.
27:45
SPEAKER_01: Um and it's kind of like uh yeah, this isn't like it's like a really fancy, almost like uh like long john type thing, but like way like calling it a long john's like a disservice, but like uh I just don't know what else to like, and then it's like filled with like a uh custard.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: Um that they're like they call it the creme de catalanana out there.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: You sound that pretty good, yeah.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: So like that's uh and it like maybe like have some like powdered stuff on it.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's like well kind of big one in Girona, and then um in Majorca, their pastry thing was uh In Cimeta, I think.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh and it's sort of like uh it looks kind of like a cinnamon roll almost, because it has like the sparly like limey thing.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's it's just like another like sweet, sweet type of pastry, not filled with anything, but yeah, equally good.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, if you're listening, uh hope you're not hungry.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: But that sounds dope, man.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: Is that like is officially your favorite trip so far cycling?
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, or there's some others.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's like that's like my favorite one for sure.
29:02
SPEAKER_01: I like like I've done some like like fun, smaller, like backpacky one bike packy ones around the States, which like that's fun too, but yeah, it's it's hard to compete with Majorca so far.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: So actually we haven't spoken about this, but for those listening, what what bike do you typically ride?
29:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know, but for those listening, what's your bike right now?
29:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's uh specialized diverge.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: It's uh I got it in like 2021.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: It was pretty hard to find gravel bikes then, uh because everyone was like buying them up.
29:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh there were like COVID shortages, so it might be like a bit small for me.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I've kind of kind of got it to fit well enough.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh hey, arrow, you it's lighter.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's put down more power, you know?
29:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Talking about power, I I know you had that trip.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Um we had spoken once, like yeah, um remind me of the trip, but you were backpacking as well.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: And like I remember you sent me a picture, or at least I saw it on Strava, and you had a ton of weight on the bike.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh what's that like?
30:11
SPEAKER_00: And you know, how how do you just get up and go on a trip?
30:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, I'm just gonna rack up the bike and go on a couple day trip, you know, just through the country.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: How does that work, man?
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, I think you gotta be you gotta be patient.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: You gotta know you're gonna be going a lot slower.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, should like it's a good idea to like test out your setup beforehand, like just go on like a 10-mile ride around town with your bike loaded up with like everything like you're bringing for water.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Water's really heavy, so like like I think a lot of people might get worried that I don't I might I need to bring a lot of water in case I run out and there's no place to like fill up that that's like gonna add the most weight to your bike.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: So like you want to really carefully think about how much water you need, and then maybe bring like a filter or something so that you could get water from a stream or whatnot, and then fill it up.
31:10
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like yeah, I think you just gotta you gotta like realize you're gonna go a lot slower and then like take it, take it easy that first day, honestly.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: Like you like just like with running, like cycling is a pretty low impact sport.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: It's very low impact until you like crash and then it's like super high impact.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: But it like the thing with like a weighted bike is it's gonna load, it's gonna load like your knees and stuff a lot more.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: So like maybe take it easy on that first day and let your body kind of adapt to like all that extra weight that you're like pushing up a hill or something.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: Some good advice there.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, do you strength train to help with with those kind of rides?
31:53
SPEAKER_00: What's your strength routine?
31:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I don't like I don't specifically like strength train for cycling, but I like I do enjoy strength training.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: It's like uh funny that like I think before we started recording, but you mentioned you got into like strength training first.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's sort of like similar for me.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Like I was like a really scrawny like high schooler, and like even like uh like a couple years of like college, um and so like I got into the gym that way because it's like oh I need to I need to get big.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, but now now I just like strength training, I like feeling stronger.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Like I think you can if you if you're just going out for runs and bike rides, like you will lose a lot of muscle mass if you don't strength train.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: So I'll I'll like go like in the summer, like twice a week and usually do like full body stuff in the winter more because I'm doing less stuff outside.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: Makes sense.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: What's up your routines like?
32:51
SPEAKER_00: So you go twice a day, like what what kind of lifts do you do?
32:54
SPEAKER_00: High volume, high reps, the lower volume, low reps, more power.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I'm I'm into like sort of like the power lifting movements.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: So I'll do like usually start a session with squats or something, maybe do like like a five by five or three by eight or something.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: Usually not doing too many more reps than like eight or ten on squats, and usually not any lower than like five.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Like deadlifts, yeah.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: I'll go like heavier on deadlifts.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'll do like five sets of like three reps, and I'll also sometimes do like like more reps for deadlifts because like that can be good for just like building up like running running muscles and stuff, like higher repetitions, and then yeah, I do bench press.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't really think that helps me with biking or running.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: No, but as guys, we want a bench press.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, everyone likes having some pecs and uh and then yeah, I'll do like pull-ups and dips sometimes, like with like a weight belt and stuff.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: So like I keep things pretty simple.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: I'll do like some accessory movements with dumbbells and stuff, but I'm trying I try to not like maybe on heavy squats, I'll take like big rests between them, but I also like to try and like put exercises back to back so I like I'm not resting too much and I can get in and out of the gym quicker.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that makes sense.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: I do that often too, to just kind of like keep it under 45 minutes, 30 minutes nowadays, given all the running and stuff.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: No, the days of an hour and a half, two hours are gone.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because like you said, we're training for power and strength and what we're doing with cycling or running, and and you know, there's some ego muscles we're training, you know, with pull-ups, chin-ups, and stuff.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: I I still do those because we want to feel strong.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk running.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: So, how did you transition into?
34:53
SPEAKER_00: I know it's a newer hobby, but you already got a marathon down at at home as well.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: How'd you start with running?
34:58
SPEAKER_00: What got you into running?
34:59
SPEAKER_00: What's that journey been?
35:00
SPEAKER_01: So it's funny, gravel biking got me into running because like so there's this gravel race called the Mid South.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: It's like one of like the first gravel races of the season.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think it's like in March.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: So, and like the registration, like when you're signing up for all these gravel races, like the bigger ones, they like fill up really fast.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: Some have like you have to go through like a lottery system, similar to like big marathons and stuff like that.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: But this the mid-south, like there's no lottery system, it just like sells out really quickly.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, and like a friend, like said, oh, like mid-south, like signups are open.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: And like I saw that like the the big race there is like it's a hundred-mile gravel race, and that it was sold out already.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: But they have have this thing called the double.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: And the double is a 50k like trail run, dirt road run on Friday, and then you do the 100-mile gravel race on Saturday, and then they like just combine your times.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, all right, I guess this is how I can do the uh like a hundred-mile like race.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: So like I signed up for that, and that was probably like it was like October or November, so like six months before, roughly.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: And I had been running a little bit just for like fun before then, but that was like the first time I was like, okay, I guess like I'm gonna run okay.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: I gotta like actually like train for this and figure figure out what I'm doing.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so like from that, that that point on, like I think I just like uh I started learning to enjoy running in like that training uh process and figured out like I had never really been able to run more than like 10 miles a week before because I just I wasn't training running correctly and I would always get some injury, and I never like went to like PT to like resolve that injury or then like figure out exercises to like make my weak muscles stronger.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: So like started, I did like some PT when that stuff like popped up, figured out like how to train better and actually like build mileage safely.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: I just enjoyed that whole process.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: 50k went well.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: So then okay, like I signed up for grandma's marathon um in like that's in like June, like three months after that, to sort of like continue to like build and like ride, ride that like wave.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I just yeah, I sort of enjoyed running.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: It's like a way I don't run super like right now.
37:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm doing a lot more biking, but I try and run like at least once a week to sort of just like keep that muscle memory and stuff.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: And it's like it's a way to me for me to like just like mentally decompress uh a lot a lot easier than like biking uh for some reason.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: Like really, yeah.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: So I think like biking, there it's easier to just throw on shoes and like get out the door.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: And like some days, like after like I'm not I'm not like a morning person.
38:00
SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people get their runs in in the morning, like I think you do.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: For sure, yeah.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but like I like if I have like a stressful day or just like a lot going on at work, like I just like to like, you know, just like and maybe there's only like an hour of daylight left.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: Like it's gonna be a lot easier for me to decompress on like an hour um run because I'll still feel like I actually did something, or if I just go for like an hour bike ride, um, it's it's like yeah, not the not the same.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: You're you're maybe like battling like more cars on the roads and stuff, they're like stressing you out.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: Wait, so your first race, if I'm getting this right, was one an accident and two a 50k race?
38:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, talk about YOLO.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't like I don't know if I'd recommend that, but like it also was like I I wasn't like I wasn't I wasn't super stressed about like I just wanted to finish it.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: Um I wasn't like I didn't set any goal times or anything, like I just just wanted to do it, just wanted to finish it and try and run the whole thing if I could.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: So you had the biking, I'm sure, down by then because you wanted to do 100k anyway on the biking.
39:14
SPEAKER_00: Um but what what about the running?
39:17
SPEAKER_00: Did you like have to prepare?
39:18
SPEAKER_00: Like, what was the lead-up time to that?
39:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I did like most of most of the time I spent training was all running, just because it was like pretty new to me and I needed to like build my mileage up enough.
39:30
SPEAKER_01: So I think that was just like it was learning how to train for running better.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: Like I I was one of those people that like they anytime they went out for a run, went out like way too hard.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: Like I felt like I needed to like like push, put like get get my money's worth of the workout or something, and so like I would just like push really hard anytime I went for a run.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: So I had to learn not to do that.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh basically just we all do it in the beginning, yeah.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh and it was like I think uh a big like unlock for me when I realized that like no, like most of the best runners, they're actually running easy most of the time.
40:10
SPEAKER_01: Like so learning that, learning like how to like safely like build mileage, like for like the first like couple months, like don't I didn't really even focus on like building my mileage up that much.
40:23
SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to build like a solid base at like say 15 to 20 miles a week.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you're just starting out, like that's even too much.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but like also like making the runs so that like I always gave my body like a rest day.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: So like not running on back-to-back days because my muscles just weren't weren't used to running.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: Um and then yeah, like eventually as I started building the mileage up, I would do maybe like three weeks where I was increasing it by like roughly 10% or whatever.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, maybe increasing my long run by a mile or two.
40:59
SPEAKER_01: And then like I'd sort of take like a week to sort of delo after that and just like do like reduced mileage.
41:07
SPEAKER_01: And I just I basically did that um for like four four months up until the like 50k.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: Man, that was uh pretty smart and intuitive from the jump, you know.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: You deload weeks uh up in the mileage smartly.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: Did you have a coach at all or you just look some stuff up or instinct?
41:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like I read I read some books.
41:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: I talked to some people.
41:33
SPEAKER_01: They I also went to like a P a PT for like a couple like overuse things that I was getting early on.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: She she's run some fast marathons and like nice stuff, and so she she helped me with like training plans too.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I wasn't I wasn't ever following like a specific training plan, just like kind of trying to follow like principles I'd either read about or like heard from people.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: What kind of books did you read?
42:03
SPEAKER_00: Just curious, like if it's some of the staples, you know?
42:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: Um, so the the first one I read was 8020 running.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: That's a good one.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, running, running easy and stuff.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: Um then like I I read like a lot more sort of just like they're like I guess more uh fictional type books.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: Like I did I read the like Once a Runner.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Um there's a sequel to that one uh that was I also read.
42:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh then there was another another book, but I think like uh I can't remember the name of it.
42:41
SPEAKER_01: I think by a Japanese author or something, um that was like really good.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: He's sort of like a writer that's also just like a runner, everyday person, you know, not not super fast marathon times, but just talks about like why why he liked running, uh, sort of like what what he gets out of it.
43:03
SPEAKER_01: Um and then just like yeah, stuff, stuff online, of course.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: Curious question for you, because I I have a lot of friends that often when injured, they fall to cycling, right?
43:12
SPEAKER_00: Cross-training, if you will.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: But you cycle more.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Do you find a lot of parallels in the training from cycling to running and vice versa?
43:20
SPEAKER_00: Like, do they merge as often for you or or are they very just different?
43:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they they definitely help each other out.
43:28
SPEAKER_01: I would say running helps the cycling a lot more than the cycling helps the running, at least for me.
43:35
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's because like uh like cyclists, like they can like get into running and maybe like like a 5k or 10k that's pretty fast.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, but they're they might be pretty destroyed after that if they're not like running a lot because it's just like like you're using so many more muscles, it's so much more high impact.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:01
SPEAKER_01: And so like running, like you build like a like I built like a really good base through it, like training for the 50k and marathon, where like then when I started cycling again, I noticed that like my heart rate was a lot lower.
44:16
SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden it wasn't like the heart rate that was limiting me on like bike rides.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: It was just like my legs couldn't push, like they were gassed and couldn't push any more power.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: And my heart rate was still like you know lower, like it was still like at threshold level, but it wasn't like super high.
44:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would just probably gas from like a muscle standpoint.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: I figured I'd ask you, that's a good one to share for those listening, because I'm sure a lot of people cross-chain with cycling and vice versa.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: It's either usually cycling or elliptical.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: I figured I'd ask you as someone who cycles more.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk grandma's uh marathon, right?
44:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, from what I remember right, by then your mileage was a little bit higher.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: That's around when we met.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: There was this, for those listening, there's this track club.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, they do roadruns now too, but there's this pretty famous track club out in Boulder, fast people, all kinds of people.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: Where uh Sean was running, and that's when we kind of synced up the first time.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: But by then his mileage was a little bit off.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about that a little bit.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: I think you're running more consistently than like three, four times a week, but also cycling pretty heavy, two, three times a week if I remember.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk uh what was that experience like the ramp up and getting into grandma's marathon?
45:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, that was that was pretty fun.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: Cause like the so when we met at like like the track workouts, that was sort of like the first time I'd started doing speed work.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: So like uh that was that was totally new for me.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: Um so that was sort of like a really great like format to like pick it up, uh run with some other people uh that could like push you and also like make sure that like I was like doing workouts that were like gonna help me.
45:58
SPEAKER_01: And like I wasn't just going out to like the track and like doing my own like intervals or something.
46:05
SPEAKER_01: No idea what I'm doing.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh but yeah, I think that was uh that was like a lot of fun for me, like because that was like the first time like I started seeing like I don't like actually running fast.
46:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: It's fun, it's fun to run fast now and then.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, like uh that was and then only to do that like just like one track workout a week.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think that that helped a lot uh at at like the grandma's marathon and stuff, because like I think it's always like the I was concerned, like you have you have goal times and whatnot, and all you do most of your runs like really slow, and then your goal time is like this pace seems like pretty fast to like be able to hold for like 26 miles.
46:55
SPEAKER_01: I've never really done that in any of my training runs, but you do like a few speed workouts that are a lot faster than that pace, and um that gives you like a bit of confidence.
47:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:06
SPEAKER_00: What was your uh longest runs in that training block leading up to uh grandma's?
47:12
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I feel like 21 or 22 miles, and I just did that once.
47:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and then yeah, I think my biggest mileage week was maybe like 50, and I did that like the last the last two weeks before I started deloading, but like two weeks before.
47:32
SPEAKER_01: And what was uh your goal time at grandma's?
47:35
SPEAKER_01: It was 320.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: 320 I don't really know how I came to that number, but yeah.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: I think that's that might be like what I put on the uh like you have to like put an estimated finish time when I signed up for it.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they always ask, yep.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they asked kind of to put you depending on like what wave.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, most races, depending on the wave, grandma's pretty big, so depending on put you around similar people.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, if I remember right, you had a good race.
48:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, share with the pod, like how how'd your first race go?
48:09
SPEAKER_00: What time did you hit?
48:10
SPEAKER_00: What did it feel like crossing that finish line?
48:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was so good.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: It's like I haven't signed up for another one yet.
48:18
SPEAKER_01: I will at some point, but like I think it's gonna be tough to beat like that first grandma's race.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: Like, I like the conditions were kind of just perfect.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: Like it was like a light rain and like maybe like 50, 50 degrees.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: It's like when you like finished, you got really cold, but like while you were running, it was like perfect, and there was like a little bit of tailwind too.
48:42
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, like it it went really well.
48:44
SPEAKER_01: I took it like pretty conservatively.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: The first I started with like the 330 pacer.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: Um and then like I just saw went like wanted to see how that felt for like the first 10k, and it felt pretty good.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: So I just started like ramping it up from there.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I came through like halfway pretty much like right on right on like 320 um the goal time.
49:10
SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, I continued to just I was like feeling good, so continued just slowly crank it up and ended up finishing like three hours 14 minutes, and I think like uh I maybe had a bit too much left in the tank at the end because like I think like I set like a 5k PR or something in like the last 5k of the the race or whatnot, but I was like super worried about like just like cramping or something in my legs if I like push too hard early on.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: So I just I really just wanted to enjoy it.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: Like that was like the most important thing for me.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, that that's an amazing time, honestly, for like the first one.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: And I I remember now, actually, after you just said it just now, you telling me, like, yeah, I think I left some in the tank, but man, 314 for the first one and going fast, last 5k split being the fastest.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: So that it's that's a win in anyone who's running any race, no matter what time.
50:05
SPEAKER_00: If you finish your last play faster than the first, um, and obviously it means you have more fitness there, and you know, your second one, the first one's always the hardest, you know, because then you learn the distance and it gets easier and easier.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, for whenever you do sign up for that next one, man, I think you're gonna be able to have some even more fitness to put out there, which is gonna be fun for you, maybe depending on the training block, you know, because it means you're going faster.
50:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
50:29
SPEAKER_01: What what what one do you think I should sign up for next?
50:33
SPEAKER_01: Like like you man, that's that's up to you.
50:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, you're cycling more right now, but um, it depends on like your goals and stuff.
50:40
SPEAKER_00: But like, I mean, if you had a if I remember right, and this is going off top of head, but I think you negative split the whole thing, you know, and and you had obviously a second half 5k.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: Grandma's is good.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh, if you really want to go fast, a flat one would be great.
50:53
SPEAKER_00: Indianapolis, I'm doing that one this fall.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, that but that one's a fast one regardless.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: Chicago's a great one as well.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: It's just it's a major, so it's kind of hard to get into uh with the lotteries now.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: It's just similar to how you explain with biking, it's getting so popular now that like they the lottery you can sign up, but chances getting in are like very hard.
51:10
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I would sign up.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: Some non-lottery ones, uh I believe Erie, Pennsylvania is a fast one, like it's flat really course.
51:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's like not that hard to get into from what I it has a lot of runners, but I believe you can just sign up.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: What are some other CIM?
51:25
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people like CIM in California.
51:27
SPEAKER_00: That's in December, plenty of time to train and whatnot, and it probably sets you up for a nice fall.
51:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're in the fall weather in Boulder, Colorado here, where you can train, not be dying from the heat.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: You can enjoy your cycling and then get to a training block.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: That might be a good one.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: Then next year, like early year, uh Mesa is a popular one in Mesa, Arizona.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: I believe that's end of February, so you can kind of train through the winter too and like enjoy some nice little break from our cold weather here.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: And uh lastly, top off my head, probably Eugene as well, which is I believe either somewhere between March and April um at the start of the year.
51:59
SPEAKER_00: Those are some good ones there.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought about doing Eugene briefly, like this year.
52:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like I think yeah, it'll it'll come down to you maybe like when when I want to like train for one.
52:15
SPEAKER_01: Because I yeah, yeah, it'll like take over your life for sure.
52:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh since you cycle a lot, obviously, and that's your favorite uh you know, just unsolicited advice here.
52:24
SPEAKER_00: I would say probably enjoy your summer, man, because cycling is amazing here, and then like pick a fall one or early spring one where like we can't cycle as much.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: Because you know, once we start getting snow and ice and and below 30, indoor trainer or not.
52:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: I try and indoor trainer at all costs.
52:42
SPEAKER_01: That's probably why I got into running too, because it's like it's it's a bit easier to like run when it's cold, I think, than then go biking.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can layer up and it's not too bad.
52:54
SPEAKER_00: There's good gear now for layering up.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: You'll see runners obviously in Colorado.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: We love running here um in the winter where you know your bike, the air pressure and whatnot can fade fast.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: It can get slippery.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: We get snow, then you can't, you know, you can still run in snow usually as long as it's not too bad.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: You got treadmill bike, you got to set up a whole trainer, it's not cheap.
53:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it gets crazy.
53:18
SPEAKER_00: Well, that said, man.
53:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh what's uh what's next for you?
53:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, what do you got lined up?
53:22
SPEAKER_00: Any cycling races coming up?
53:24
SPEAKER_00: Anything you training for?
53:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, or or you know, what's just next for you over the next couple months?
53:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I'm not signed up for anything right now, and I'm kind of like enjoying it, like just like enjoying going out for like long rides on Saturdays or Sundays and stuff with like out any real like goal or something to train for.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I'll probably sign up for like a race or two, like just did in or around Colorado this summer.
53:52
SPEAKER_01: Like uh there's a good one up in like Fort Collins called like Foco Fondo.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: That's like a pretty fun one to do.
53:59
SPEAKER_01: The the Chef Boy RD guy, he lives out in Iowa these days, like in Cedar Rapids, and uh there's like a race kind of out there called like core four gravel, which I haven't done before, but it sounds pretty cool.
54:14
SPEAKER_01: They call it like core four because there's like there's like four different types of like road surfaces, I think.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: So there's like pavement, gravel, like single track, mountain bikey stuff.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know what the fourth is.
54:27
SPEAKER_01: Maybe, maybe I'm making that up, but something I don't know.
54:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, grass, grass, yeah, grassle as they call it.
54:35
SPEAKER_00: I think I might have heard this one through like a cycling influencer.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I have maybe last year when he did it.
54:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know if you've ever seen I may miss say his handle, but I believe it's VC Adventures or something.
54:48
SPEAKER_00: He's like sponsored by Canyon.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, yeah.
54:50
SPEAKER_01: I'll link it to you after the show here.
54:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he think I think he used to be like the vegan cyclist or whatever.
54:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes, there we go.
54:58
SPEAKER_00: That's what it was.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: Yes, him, yeah.
55:00
SPEAKER_00: I forgot he changed it and it used to be that.
55:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: I think he did core four at some point, which is where I've seen or or someone on YouTube, I've seen videos.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure I know this core four one, and I remember seeing people's like hubs and everything being destroyed because it was a brutal erase.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: I think it was the year where it like rained the day before they were thinking to cancel it because it just was really, you know, obviously it could do damage on the bike.
55:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, besides those, like there is one like in Minnesota that I want to do some year.
55:29
SPEAKER_01: It's called the Dam Day Across Minnesota.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: It's just like 240 miles across the state, like west to east on gravel roads.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: The like tough part about that is like just the transportation logistics.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: It's like a smaller ride or race, so you have to like shuttle yourself.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: So it starts in like a no-name town in South Dakota.
55:49
SPEAKER_01: There's not like a rental car company or anything, so like you gotta drive there or get someone to drop off.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: And then you you're ending in like Wisconsin, something like six, eight hours away.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: So like you'd have to drive back and get your car afterwards or yeah, get someone to like then pick you up.
56:06
SPEAKER_01: So we'll see.
56:07
SPEAKER_01: That one's like at the beginning of August.
56:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it'll be this year, but I'd like to do it at some point.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: Sounds fun, uh, except for the logistics part, but all right.
56:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, on that note, um, thank you for for being on, Sean.
56:22
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56:25
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56:26
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56:28
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56:30
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56:34
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56:35
SPEAKER_00: Sean, I appreciate you for hopping on this one.
56:37
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56:39
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, everyone.
56:40
SPEAKER_00: Until next time.
56:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
56:42
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
56:43
SPEAKER_01: She'll come up to the North Boulder Gravel Road sometime.
56:47
SPEAKER_01: We'll go for a run.
56:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we gotta do that for sure.
56:50
SPEAKER_00: Run or cycling.
56:51
SPEAKER_00: I want to do that because it's just fun.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:54
SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: Peace.