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Trauma... This is controversial 🫢 ft The Mind Body Guy · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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Speaker 1: Apodjay production.
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Speaker 2: We begin today by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the
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Speaker 2: to their elders past and present. We extend that respect
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Grow and Glow Podcast. I'm Ashy, I'm Kiara.
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Speaker 3: This is a podcast where we learn.
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Speaker 2: Laugh, and level up together.
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Speaker 3: Let's go deep, let the emotions flow and find the
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Speaker 5: Hello, Welcome back to Growing.
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Speaker 3: Hello, we have gotten a very exciting guest on today
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Speaker 3: we do.
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Speaker 5: It's a Monday episode.
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Speaker 4: She's a long one and it's all around trauma.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: This is something we get asked about a lot, and
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Speaker 4: we really wanted to get an expert on board, and
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Speaker 4: there was no one better than LEVI.
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Speaker 3: So many amazing pieces of advice throughout this episode. Honestly,
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Speaker 3: I would grab a paper and a pen and sit
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Speaker 3: down and write out any takeaways that you have because
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Speaker 3: there were so many things throughout this conversation where I
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Speaker 3: was like, Wow, I.
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Speaker 4: Also feel like this is a type of episode for
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Speaker 4: me personally. Sometimes some of the words he uses I
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Speaker 4: would need to go back and listen to a couple
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Speaker 4: of times just to like really get it in my brain.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, he is incredible. He's been my business partner
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Speaker 4: for the last fifteen years, one of my closest male friends.
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Speaker 4: I literally call him Walking Google. If there's any questions, yeah,
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Speaker 4: you have about health, wellness, your physical body, trauma, pain,
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Speaker 4: hormone skin, sleep, relationships, parenting, Like he is someone that
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Speaker 4: just never stops learning and is so open to so
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Speaker 4: many new ways to heal your body and heal your
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Speaker 4: life and to live your most authentic life.
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Speaker 3: I had an incredible experience with Levi, and like seeing
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Speaker 3: what he can actually do firsthand was so amazing. At
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Speaker 3: the Ultimate Girl's Day Out, I did a breath work
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Speaker 3: session with him and just so much came up and
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Speaker 3: it was just such an amazing experience. So I was
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Speaker 3: so excited to catch up and have a chat with
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Speaker 3: him today. And if you guys want to hear more
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Speaker 3: about my experience as well. Is it episode nine, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: right back from last season.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have our next retreat actually coming up
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Speaker 4: August eleventh, up in Brisbane, and he also does a
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Speaker 4: stress workshop on that day which he teaches you so
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Speaker 4: many new tools and tips and tricks on how to
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Speaker 4: manage your stress in your life and really have a
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Speaker 4: deep understanding on the different types of stress and how
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Speaker 4: stress can actually serve you.
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Speaker 5: It's really interesting.
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Speaker 4: So if that's something you've always wanted to learn about,
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Speaker 4: you come along to that day as well. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: your episode and how life changing that one breathwork session
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Speaker 4: was insane. Yeah, So anyways, let's jump on with LEVI.
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Speaker 1: Good to be here.
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Speaker 5: We're here today to talk.
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Speaker 4: About trauma, and I feel like this is your passion,
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Speaker 4: your expertise, this is what you I just here on
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Speaker 4: this earth to help people through and I don't feel
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Speaker 4: like there's too many people that really do this. And
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Speaker 4: I feel like at the moment, trauma, as we were
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Speaker 4: talking about the other day, Levi, it's quite a trendy word.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, let's start from the beginning. What made you.
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Speaker 4: Come into being a trauma and toxin therapist, Like, how
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Speaker 4: did you get into this? Where did it begin for you?
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Speaker 6: Well, basically the way that I see trauma, right, And
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Speaker 6: it is a very trendy word, but for me, trauma
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Speaker 6: is just what I call blocked stress or when stress.
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Speaker 6: You've been under a stress, whether it's an acute, severe
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Speaker 6: stress or an acute massive moment that has caused trauma.
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Speaker 6: Where a stress is basically something that is telling your
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Speaker 6: body that, hey, we're in danger here and there's something
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Speaker 6: very important to our survival you need to pay attention
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Speaker 6: to right now. A stress is something that we have
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Speaker 6: to adapt to. So you'll see people's blood pressure go
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Speaker 6: up and then it comes back down, and we're supposed
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Speaker 6: to adapt and then come back to balance. Adapt, come
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Speaker 6: back to balance. And what happens is many times, whether
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Speaker 6: it's a severe acute or it's that chronic cumulative stress,
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Speaker 6: it's just low level, but it just builds and we adapt,
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Speaker 6: but we don't fully come back, and this stress gets
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Speaker 6: stuck or remains in us. And whether it remains in
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Speaker 6: our emotional sphere or whether the body goes, hey i've
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Speaker 6: got this forew you know it's too much for you
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Speaker 6: at the moment. I'm going to store this in your
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Speaker 6: heart or in your liver or in your throat. And
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Speaker 6: this is where our.
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Speaker 1: Physical disease comes from.
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Speaker 6: So when I say trauma, where I've come to it
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Speaker 6: from is probably different to almost anybody else. I see
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Speaker 6: it as a stress response and an inability to adapt completely,
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Speaker 6: and an accumulation or a blockage of the energy and
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Speaker 6: our body and the stress in us. So where I've
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Speaker 6: come to it from is I've started, you know, twenty
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Speaker 6: five years ago in fitness for about six months until
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Speaker 6: I realized that you can't train people into health, and
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Speaker 6: so that I became a nutritionist, and then I studied
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Speaker 6: naturopathy and homeopathy and that was where the very beginning began,
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Speaker 6: because it teaches you that the cause is so much
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Speaker 6: more important than the symptoms. If you get caught looking
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Speaker 6: at the symptoms all the time, you're going to just
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Speaker 6: do a lot of individual prescribing. You have to look
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Speaker 6: at the lung, or you're going to look at the foot,
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Speaker 6: you know, like all the specialists in the world. It's
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Speaker 6: like there's an eye specialist, a nose specialist, specialists a
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Speaker 6: foot and if you treat the foot, sometimes you get
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Speaker 6: the foot in balance. But then people have knee pain
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Speaker 6: and hip pain, then lower back pain and neck pain
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Speaker 6: because you've adjusted the balance of the foundation where they
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Speaker 6: were And this is how the body works, right, So
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Speaker 6: I've got to come at this from the very beginning,
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Speaker 6: from a holistic point of view, and look at the
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Speaker 6: symptoms and try and address them so that they can
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Speaker 6: make the client more comfortable. But never fall for trying
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Speaker 6: to fix the symptoms because they're not the actual reason.
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Speaker 6: And over time, I'm always trying to improve, and so
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Speaker 6: I'd get results with clients and I'd be like, oh, yep,
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Speaker 6: I've got it, And then I wouldn't get a result
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Speaker 6: with a client or a client that got results, especially
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Speaker 6: I mean people that come to natch Bass immune systems gut,
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Speaker 6: they're the big one's skin. And after a while I
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Speaker 6: started I actually had a limitation of respiratory herbs on stock,
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Speaker 6: and so I treated somebody. I'm like, this person is
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Speaker 6: just so anxious, and so I treated their suppressed immune system.
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Speaker 6: You know, normally i'd follow the protocol and be giving
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Speaker 6: all these immune stimulants and immune tonics and things just
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Speaker 6: to help them through this period, because that's where you know,
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Speaker 6: people don't come when they're down. They're like I can't breathe,
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Speaker 6: I feel like I'm going to die. Fix me, And
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Speaker 6: I'm like, that's actually not the time to go to
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Speaker 6: see a natschbath right, that's when you should chuck yourself
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Speaker 6: full of drugs, get some sleep.
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Speaker 1: You should have done it earlier.
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Speaker 6: So I started treating them with stress herbs, and I
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Speaker 6: was getting better results. And then I started treating every
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Speaker 6: client's disease with stress herbs, and I'm like, they're not
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Speaker 6: just getting better in their symptom here, but overall, I'm
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Speaker 6: finding it easier to bring themselves into balance. I'm getting
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Speaker 6: better in their subsymptoms and their secondary problems. Right, And
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Speaker 6: so then I went, well, shit, I can't be a
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Speaker 6: natchpath anymore. It's not physical. It's not nutrition or not solely.
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Speaker 6: It's not about giving them the herbs and the nutrients
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Speaker 6: and the cofactors to achieve. It's about regulating their ability
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Speaker 6: to handle stress. And so then I went into just
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Speaker 6: every possible angle around where our major stresses are.
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Speaker 1: I went into habit modification.
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Speaker 6: I looked at you know, I've done it million courses
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Speaker 6: on that area of mental health, NLP D, Martini therapy,
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Speaker 6: all the different emdrs, EFTs, counseling, all the different sides
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Speaker 6: of things.
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Speaker 1: What I was pretty clear.
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Speaker 6: On, and this again, is I say a lot of
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Speaker 6: things that maybe are controversial.
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Speaker 1: I suppose.
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Speaker 6: But you know, I'd spent at this time, probably eight
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Speaker 6: years almost getting so frustrated at working with clients that
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Speaker 6: had either mental health specialist, other psychiatrists, psychologists, and also
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Speaker 6: general practitioners. You know, I sit on that side of
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Speaker 6: if you're in need of surgery or an emergency procedure,
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Speaker 6: or you know something's out of whack massively, then there's
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Speaker 6: no better option than going down the medical route, but
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Speaker 6: for actual prevention and maintenance and actually treating the cause
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Speaker 6: and actually resolving something completely, not just having to take
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Speaker 6: something to manage a symptom for the rest of your
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Speaker 6: life and then that causing another symptom to pop up,
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Speaker 6: and then having another medication and another one. Then this
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Speaker 6: is the worst thing ever. So I never wanted to
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Speaker 6: go down the become a psychologist side because I'm sitting
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Speaker 6: there with people that have been in therapy for twenty years,
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Speaker 6: so seeing their doctor on five different medications, the doctor
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Speaker 6: not letting them off these medications even though we've resolved
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Speaker 6: these other things. And so I was very clear I
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Speaker 6: wanted to find something that aligned with the holistic view
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Speaker 6: and worked. So that's when I went into act therapy,
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Speaker 6: which is a type of cognitive behavior therapy that helps
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Speaker 6: people get really good at sitting within the discomfort instead
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Speaker 6: of avoiding it, running away from it, etc. And I
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Speaker 6: probably spent a fair few years helping people manage their stress,
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Speaker 6: which was really good, but that becomes exhausting because, you know,
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Speaker 6: to manage our weight, to manage our energy, we have
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Speaker 6: to work out, we have to eat great, we have
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Speaker 6: to sleep well. And then to manage our anxiety, our depression,
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Speaker 6: our you know, negative thoughts, we have to do all
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Speaker 6: this meditation and journaling and gratitude and it starts to accumulate,
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Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, just managing our basic to
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Speaker 6: feel okay is like shit, I need seven hours a
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Speaker 6: day just to do this. And that's the opposite of
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Speaker 6: what we want, right, we want life to be easy
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Speaker 6: and light and fun.
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Speaker 1: So then I.
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Speaker 6: Went, okay, I just started doing all these courses, researching
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Speaker 6: and hoping that someone would come in, and I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 6: I use a bit of homeopathy here, I use a
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Speaker 6: bit of this here, and right now I can flash
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Speaker 6: forward to this. Now I'm at a point where and
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Speaker 6: again controversy warning, there's not a person that comes in,
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Speaker 6: whether it's an autoimmune disease, whether it's panic disorder, whether
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Speaker 6: it's epilepsy, whether it's asthma, whether it's depression, whether it's anything.
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Speaker 6: I am just so confident because of the results and
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Speaker 6: the experience I've been through, and the.
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Speaker 1: Person needs to be there ready, right.
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Speaker 6: I don't take anyone on that's not a ten out
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Speaker 6: of ten ready to walk on broken glass. It's just
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Speaker 6: because I need them to be there, because when you
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Speaker 6: actually deal with the cause, it's quite tough therapy. So
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Speaker 6: many times where you can be like, yeah, but I
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Speaker 6: don't need it enough. I won't push to that little
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Speaker 6: part that I need to get you to. But like
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Speaker 6: I said, I at the point now where I don't
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Speaker 6: feel like there's one condition that can't be revered and
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Speaker 6: one symptom that can't be removed or improved by treating
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Speaker 6: the block stress in the body.
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Speaker 5: It's incredible.
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Speaker 4: So you call yourself a trauma and toxin therapist, right.
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Speaker 6: Yes, And I call trauma because again, the word stress,
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Speaker 6: people just go. You either believe that I'm under so
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Speaker 6: much stress and everyone's under stress that there's no bother
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Speaker 6: attempting it to treat it.
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Speaker 1: It's like that's just what life is.
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Speaker 6: And so you downplay it or you become hyper stressed
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Speaker 6: by it. So stress is what's caused these issues. But
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Speaker 6: the toxins over time, let's say, like we all know that,
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Speaker 6: or maybe it all don't. But over time, like stress
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Speaker 6: reduces our B six, zinc and magnesium specifically in the body,
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Speaker 6: like it does a lot of other things, reduced to
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Speaker 6: vitamin C. But I mean a all the cofactors that
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Speaker 6: are required not just for a working muscles, but especially
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Speaker 6: creating neurotransmitters. So we've all heard of dopamine, that's our
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Speaker 6: focus neurotransmitter. We've heard of serotonin, which is how calm
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Speaker 6: it's our ability to really you know, it goes hand.
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Speaker 6: And how about our prefrontal context and being able to
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Speaker 6: see a global view, being able to empathize with others.
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Speaker 6: We all know about gabba, which is our inhibitory transmitter.
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Speaker 6: We all know about glutamate, which is our excited, we
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Speaker 6: new transmitter. So these things need to be created in
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Speaker 6: the body. All our hormones need to be created in
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Speaker 6: the body, and to create those we start with a
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Speaker 6: building block. So say for every hormone, we need to
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Speaker 6: begin with cholesterol, which then it needs to go into
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Speaker 6: something called pregnetolone. But to go from cholesterol to pregnetolone,
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Speaker 6: we need these things called cofactors, which are vitamins, minerals,
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Speaker 6: amino acids, et cetera. And what happens over a long
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Speaker 6: period of time or sometimes a short period if it's
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Speaker 6: acute stress, is that we either our bodies elimination systems.
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Speaker 6: So whether it's liver, lungs, kidney, skin, bow, they struggle
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Speaker 6: based on our genetics. You know, some people can smoke
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Speaker 6: for a million years and they've got strong lungs, they'll
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Speaker 6: never get cancer.
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Speaker 1: Some people can be a.
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Speaker 6: Subject to secondary smoke for two weeks and that can
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Speaker 6: cause a negative process in the body. Right depends on
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Speaker 6: if they've got really strong lungs genetically or not. But
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Speaker 6: these toxins elimination system one number one. It has an
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Speaker 6: inability to remove these toxins, so they get stuck in
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Speaker 6: the body. And also I call them deficiency toxins. But basically,
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Speaker 6: our zinc gets taken down to nothing, or our magnesium
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Speaker 6: gets or our b six is too low too, and
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Speaker 6: the body has set priorities and needs. Every day it
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Speaker 6: might say, okay, I've only got enough zinc to handle
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Speaker 6: the basic biggest need, and that will be transamination of proteins,
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Speaker 6: probably for zinc, right, but it goes, hey, I can't
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Speaker 6: give you any zinc through immune system or your skin
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Speaker 6: or your reproduction because.
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Speaker 1: There's just not enough there.
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Speaker 6: So as we're managing someone's block stress and trauma, what
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Speaker 6: I'm doing at the same time is assessing their genetics,
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Speaker 6: accessing where their cofactors are limited so that we can
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Speaker 6: help that. Because along the way, that helps us start
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Speaker 6: to create the new neurotransmitters. You know, like, let's say
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Speaker 6: we've got an excessive glutamate. We've got all this exciitary
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Speaker 6: and I'll just use an example of a client's test once, right,
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Speaker 6: the top level for glutamators normally three thousand. We were
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Speaker 6: at nine thousand, so three thousand or three times more
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Speaker 6: than what is over limit. So they've just got this
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Speaker 6: ability to just too much thoughts. Everything's running around in
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Speaker 6: the head and that normally gets balanced by dopamine, which
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Speaker 6: helps us to focus our thoughts. But they had a
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Speaker 6: deficiency of dopamine, so they've got all this ability to overthink.
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Speaker 6: And you pretend you're lying awake and just a million
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Speaker 6: things happening that's what was happening with this person all.
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Speaker 1: Day every day.
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Speaker 6: They had no ability to focus, so they're just off,
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Speaker 6: not able to stay in a conversation. They had no serotonin,
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Speaker 6: which meant they had no ability to calm and to
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Speaker 6: feel into this and to sort of regulate themselves. And
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Speaker 6: they had no gabber, which is no ability to balance
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Speaker 6: out the glutamate, so they're basically just flying off the
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Speaker 6: handle and unable to focus at anything. And then over
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Speaker 6: on their hormone levels. They're a male and they had
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Speaker 6: high testosterone, which was like interesting, but the testosterone had
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Speaker 6: been aromatized, which testosterone can get it converted in some
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Speaker 6: men to estrogen, so they've got no ability to calm
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Speaker 6: down or focus. All this crazy head and then all
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Speaker 6: this estrogen, so they were basically acting like a pregnant
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Speaker 6: woman that can't focus, and they were just crying and
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Speaker 6: unable to focus all day, which is obviously incredibly stressful
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Speaker 6: and traumatizing to the person. I actually have to write
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Speaker 6: a letter to their partner and say, hey, just letting
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Speaker 6: you know your partner's not crazy. But they can't control
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Speaker 6: this at the moment until we get these cofactors under
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Speaker 6: and we're going to give them everything to start building
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Speaker 6: up these neurotransmitters because they're deficient in.
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Speaker 1: These cetain things. That's why it's happening.
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Speaker 6: And at the same time, we're going to go on
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Speaker 6: a process to remove the block stress that is causing
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Speaker 6: this issue. And then once it all happened, all the
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Speaker 6: levels come back into balance. They're now a highly regulated
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Speaker 6: human and they've got no anxiety, no depression.
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Speaker 1: They're like happy.
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Speaker 6: When you treat the cause and when you look at
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Speaker 6: why things are, it makes sense. If you support the body,
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Speaker 6: it goes back into balance. Right, it wants to go
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Speaker 6: back to balance.
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Speaker 5: It sounds so simple and so complicated, so inteat. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: so in depth, how does your coaching work? Like what
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Speaker 5: is this that you do?
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Speaker 4: Like someone comes to you and says, I've got a
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Speaker 4: lot of storage trauma, I'm stressed all the time. I've
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Speaker 4: got you know, thiroat issues or anxiety.
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Speaker 5: Help me. How does that look?
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Speaker 6: Yeah? So normally, normally they've gone everywhere else first, right,
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Speaker 6: they've been on medication, or they're still on multiple medications,
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Speaker 6: or they it's a last resort. Normally, lately there's been
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Speaker 6: people coming a little bit earlier which is nice to
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Speaker 6: see that maybe humanity is starting to look at a
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Speaker 6: holistic view or more people are starting to tune into
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Speaker 6: their body a little bit more. But for most of
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Speaker 6: the years, it's always at a last resort where they've
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Speaker 6: tried surgery, they've tried radiation, they've tried all these things,
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Speaker 6: and that it just keeps coming back bottom. They're at
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Speaker 6: rock bottom right and it's almost not where I need people.
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Speaker 6: But if someone's at a five out of ten, like
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Speaker 6: I'd like to not be anxious anymore, And how I
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Speaker 6: start with the number one thing? I'm like, okay, we
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Speaker 6: need to go off coffee straight away. And if they're
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Speaker 6: like no straight away, then I'm like, well, we can't
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Speaker 6: start Ten years ago i'd be like, okay, I can
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Speaker 6: work around that. I can deal with this. But right now,
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Speaker 6: if you can't even do that, which is scary for
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Speaker 6: people to go off their crutches, et cetera, I just
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Speaker 6: go you're not ready.
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Speaker 4: And so like when you're at an absolute block bottom,
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Speaker 4: you will do anything to change it.
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Speaker 5: You'll do anything out to make it better. But if
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Speaker 5: you're not quite there, you're.
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Speaker 4: Like, oh yeah, no, I could still do it without this.
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Speaker 5: It's like, no, you can't.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent, And even the people at rock bottom,
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Speaker 6: they'll still give me ninety eight percent of it or
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Speaker 6: ninety five percent. And it's my job to make them
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Speaker 6: feel so safe and to clear all the tigers or
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Speaker 6: the stresses and the block stress and their body. So
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Speaker 6: as I start to notice their nervous system become more regulated,
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Speaker 6: new memories appear from their childhood or their biggest stress moments.
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Speaker 6: And also they start to because they become more safe
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Speaker 6: in themselves and they start to love themselves more, they
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Speaker 6: start to allow me, and they'll share deeper things that
16:52
Speaker 6: they're more shameful from that they were never going to share,
16:54
Speaker 6: like where they were hoping we'd fix it all without having.
16:57
Speaker 1: To share that.
16:58
Speaker 6: And sometimes we get along the journey and it'll be
17:00
Speaker 6: like and I did this, or and I this, or
17:04
Speaker 6: I don't believe there's any bad people in the world.
17:06
Speaker 6: We just have strategies that over time, the world has
17:10
Speaker 6: shown me that I'm not a good person. And when
17:12
Speaker 6: I'm not a good person, or I can't achieve a
17:14
Speaker 6: goal or I can't get the love I want, then
17:16
Speaker 6: I still need acceptance and attention. So I need to
17:19
Speaker 6: go find other ways to get some sort of validation,
17:22
Speaker 6: I'll go into anywhere and that sometimes and we've all
17:26
Speaker 6: known people as well, and also myself, like I sometimes
17:30
Speaker 6: act in a way that I'm not proud of or
17:32
Speaker 6: that doesn't align with my best self. But I get
17:34
Speaker 6: triggered and I do that. And sometimes people do these
17:38
Speaker 6: things in the moment of stress, and it's not acceptable
17:40
Speaker 6: to do this, but it's also understandable, right Like, I
17:43
Speaker 6: can be about to come home and I'm going, Okay,
17:45
Speaker 6: I didn't listen in that conversation last night. I'm going
17:48
Speaker 6: to come back in and I'm going to say, I'm
17:50
Speaker 6: so sorry, sweetie, I acted like a real dick. And
17:52
Speaker 6: I'll come in and she might give me a look
17:54
Speaker 6: or say something that basically says you acted like a dick,
17:57
Speaker 6: and then I'll go, you know, boom, I cannot let
18:01
Speaker 6: you in now because I needed to come to that first,
18:04
Speaker 6: and then you know, I'll have to come back to
18:06
Speaker 6: it later.
18:06
Speaker 1: But in a previous years, that would be it. It
18:08
Speaker 1: might be we just never talk about that again, you know.
18:10
Speaker 6: But I'd spent two hours going, I'm not happy with
18:13
Speaker 6: how I did that, And that's where guilt builds up.
18:15
Speaker 6: And guilt is just a block stress, the effects of
18:18
Speaker 6: non adaption to a guilt. You might adapt eighty percent
18:21
Speaker 6: of it and that twenty percent gets stuck and it
18:24
Speaker 6: now then acts on the next time you act in
18:26
Speaker 6: that way where you think you did something wrong, and
18:28
Speaker 6: all of a sudden it now becomes a bit of
18:30
Speaker 6: an identity that I am wrong or I constantly do
18:33
Speaker 6: the wrong thing, and we always live up to our identity, right,
18:37
Speaker 6: So then we have these behaviors and these beliefs around
18:39
Speaker 6: ourselves that I'm just a bad person. And when I
18:43
Speaker 6: believe that, then that sort of allows me to do
18:45
Speaker 6: bad things more often because it's like, well, what's the point,
18:48
Speaker 6: that's who I am.
18:49
Speaker 3: And a question that we get through a lot, which
18:50
Speaker 3: we would love to hear your answer for is people
18:53
Speaker 3: say I don't have any trauma.
18:55
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I do you think.
18:58
Speaker 3: That everybody has some level of trauma that they have
19:01
Speaker 3: to deal with.
19:01
Speaker 4: Or they say things like I had a really good upbringing,
19:03
Speaker 4: like nothing really bad happens, Like why would I ever
19:06
Speaker 4: seek help, get therapy.
19:08
Speaker 5: Or go down that route?
19:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, again, if you look at how I see trauma,
19:13
Speaker 6: trauma is just block stress, and unless you've been brought
19:17
Speaker 6: up with somebody who allows you and teaches you all
19:19
Speaker 6: these things, which none of us did. And I'm still
19:21
Speaker 6: never meet to meet a client that has no block
19:24
Speaker 6: stress in their body. Right, But we get to a
19:27
Speaker 6: point in life where we never deal with this trauma
19:30
Speaker 6: or this block stress when everything is sort of seems
19:34
Speaker 6: to be working for us. As we've grown up, we've
19:36
Speaker 6: developed going through different stressful moments, whether it's we've been
19:39
Speaker 6: stood up in class and said the wrong thing and
19:41
Speaker 6: everyone laughed, and so now I believe I'm dumb, and
19:43
Speaker 6: then I filter the rest of my reality for the
19:45
Speaker 6: rest of my life to say I'm dumb. What that
19:47
Speaker 6: does is over those years, that actually serves me more
19:51
Speaker 6: than being smart. And so even though I can look
19:53
Speaker 6: back and go, oh so unfortunate, having the belief that
19:56
Speaker 6: I'm dumb allows me not to try. It allows me
19:59
Speaker 6: to lean into being humorous. It allows me to focus
20:01
Speaker 6: more on sport, or allows me to have more spare time,
20:04
Speaker 6: or I get to regulate and etc. It actually serves
20:07
Speaker 6: me along the way. But you can't show someone their trauma.
20:10
Speaker 6: They need to go. This strategy isn't working for me.
20:13
Speaker 6: Like an example, let's say you think you're dumb or
20:16
Speaker 6: you've spoken up and you've got the wrong answer, and
20:18
Speaker 6: then you go, Okay, I've learned how to deal with this.
20:20
Speaker 6: My new strategy as a child is I don't speak up.
20:24
Speaker 6: And what that does is it helps me hide, and
20:26
Speaker 6: it keeps me out of the limelight, and it keeps
20:28
Speaker 6: me out of getting in trouble, and it gets me
20:31
Speaker 6: approval of being such a good girl and being so
20:33
Speaker 6: you know, you're so quiet, you're no trouble, and that
20:36
Speaker 6: gives me my self esteem. And so I get through
20:38
Speaker 6: this point in life and then all of a sudden,
20:40
Speaker 6: I go nobody notices me. I never get promotions. I
20:44
Speaker 6: do all this great work, but no one ever seems
20:46
Speaker 6: to recognize it, and that starts to build up pain
20:49
Speaker 6: because we all want acceptance and acknowledgement. And then at
20:51
Speaker 6: some point we go, ah, I'm done with being a
20:54
Speaker 6: people pleaser. I'm done with like suppressing and subordinating myself
20:58
Speaker 6: to others. But I don't know how to do that,
21:00
Speaker 6: and that's where we start to develop anxiety and OCD
21:03
Speaker 6: and all these things on top of it.
21:05
Speaker 1: Or we deal with it and we release.
21:07
Speaker 6: That stress, and then all of a sudden, I can
21:10
Speaker 6: now speak up, and I am safe to shine and
21:13
Speaker 6: safe to be spectacular, and it's okay. I don't believe
21:17
Speaker 6: that nobody has trauma at all, or block stress, as
21:20
Speaker 6: I call it. There's another little part in our brain
21:22
Speaker 6: that most people don't know of. It's called the insula,
21:25
Speaker 6: and it is a little thing that connects our mind
21:28
Speaker 6: and our body together. So it's almost called like the
21:31
Speaker 6: regulator or the It helps us feel into our body
21:34
Speaker 6: and through high stress or trauma. It either I use
21:38
Speaker 6: the example of a bicep. If I never ever ever
21:41
Speaker 6: use or lift anything, my bicep shrinks, right, It's got
21:44
Speaker 6: no muscle. What can happen is the insular just shrinks
21:48
Speaker 6: and is inable, so I can't feel into my body,
21:50
Speaker 6: and that means I'm completely disconnected. And we've all seen
21:53
Speaker 6: those people that sort of just sort of they feel
21:55
Speaker 6: disconnected from their self. Their self isn't safe. They just
21:58
Speaker 6: sort of have a monotone voice. Nothing ever gets them
22:01
Speaker 6: up and down, and a lot of people perceive them
22:03
Speaker 6: to be highly calm. You're like, oh, they're so calm
22:05
Speaker 6: all the time. It's like, no, they're dead. Their strategy
22:09
Speaker 6: to learn to deal with this is just to pull
22:11
Speaker 6: back and detach. Underneath, it's like a duck. On the surface,
22:14
Speaker 6: everyone goes, wow, they handle stress so much. You know,
22:16
Speaker 6: they can be highly stressful event or whatever. Underneath, they're
22:19
Speaker 6: like their little feet to going bo and their body
22:22
Speaker 6: feels it, their heart feels it. If we measure them
22:24
Speaker 6: their heart rate to be through the roof, these other
22:26
Speaker 6: things will be happening. But on the surface they're just
22:28
Speaker 6: really detached. And that's not a great way to live in.
22:32
Speaker 6: One of the ways that we deal with trauma as well,
22:34
Speaker 6: another strategy of the brain, and again potentially controversial, but
22:37
Speaker 6: I'll just give it to you, is this is too
22:40
Speaker 6: painful to be able to think about, so I'm just
22:42
Speaker 6: going to forget it. And so what we see in
22:45
Speaker 6: trauma and that example of the pigeons, etc. Is a
22:47
Speaker 6: lot of our childhood memories or even adult memories or
22:50
Speaker 6: other things just get blocked to us. We can't access them.
22:53
Speaker 6: The file gets locked off until we regulate the nervous
22:57
Speaker 6: system down to become safe enough to handle it. And
22:59
Speaker 6: if we never come safe enough to handle it. There's
23:02
Speaker 6: a word I use in trauma. It's called craft. It
23:04
Speaker 6: stands for can't remember a fucking thing. And it's basically
23:07
Speaker 6: a response, a brilliant response to a traumatic experience, right,
23:10
Speaker 6: and my belief in things like bipolar. It's like, this
23:14
Speaker 6: reality is so traumatizing, it's so painful. I'm going to
23:18
Speaker 6: create a new personality. I'm going to create a new
23:21
Speaker 6: entity that I switch in between.
23:23
Speaker 1: And when you think of.
23:24
Speaker 6: It like that, you go, Jesus, that's brilliant, Like you
23:26
Speaker 6: are so clever to realize that this is too painful
23:29
Speaker 6: to live like this. And when we see these multiple
23:31
Speaker 6: personalities or bipolar, etc. When they're in the other entity
23:35
Speaker 6: or in the other space, their body regulates. You can
23:38
Speaker 6: be one side and you can have high blood pressure
23:41
Speaker 6: all the time the other side, it's just normal. It's like, ah,
23:44
Speaker 6: the body is responding to the reality. It's just so brilliant.
23:47
Speaker 6: But anyway back to this part, this insula, so it
23:50
Speaker 6: goes disassociated sometimes so the bicep shrinks or it can
23:54
Speaker 6: go hyper sensitive. And that's the person that feels everything,
23:58
Speaker 6: super pain, super overreactive all the time. And it's like
24:02
Speaker 6: they're just lifting weights all the time. They're like that
24:04
Speaker 6: girl that gym four times a day because she's got
24:07
Speaker 6: to work on, get on those abs and you know,
24:09
Speaker 6: overtraining or the guy. And so what we see in
24:11
Speaker 6: trauma is that insula becomes highly underfunctioning or highly overfunctioning.
24:17
Speaker 6: And I'm feeling too much all the time.
24:19
Speaker 4: So interesting the part about the strategies too, and how
24:22
Speaker 4: they serve you, Like I feel like that whole dumb story.
24:25
Speaker 4: I don't know if you realize it, but you literally
24:27
Speaker 4: described me that. Yeah, like it does serve you, and
24:31
Speaker 4: then it kind of pulled me away from putting myself
24:34
Speaker 4: out there because I was too scared to be embarrassed
24:36
Speaker 4: or whatever. Like, can I clarify you saying that we
24:38
Speaker 4: all have certain strategies to cope.
24:41
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they work until they don't work right and
24:44
Speaker 6: work out so that hiding away so that we don't
24:47
Speaker 6: get embarrassed. Right, if we look at where trauma is
24:50
Speaker 6: or I work on this circle where our ego is
24:53
Speaker 6: its job is to protect us from being hurt. And
24:55
Speaker 6: as we get closer, when we clear the trauma traumatron,
24:57
Speaker 6: we get like think about it, layers like layers of armor.
25:00
Speaker 6: We're never actually making someone different than who they are
25:03
Speaker 6: when we release this trauma, or actually helping them become
25:06
Speaker 6: their authentic self, and so we peel back these armor
25:09
Speaker 6: layers that they've used to protect themselves, and every time
25:11
Speaker 6: a layer comes back, the ego actually normally comes in
25:14
Speaker 6: harder and tries to protect more. But with the dumb story,
25:18
Speaker 6: the biggest thing that you're getting benefit from is I
25:21
Speaker 6: actually believe I'm worthless and useless, right, And what my
25:25
Speaker 6: ego never wants me to see it's trying to protect everything,
25:29
Speaker 6: is that this is correct. So avoiding seeing if I
25:33
Speaker 6: could be spectacular, or avoiding putting myself out there, or
25:37
Speaker 6: trying and being rejected, or trying and being knocked back,
25:40
Speaker 6: or trying and not getting into UNI, or trying and
25:42
Speaker 6: not getting that job, that is so safe because if
25:46
Speaker 6: I try and I fail, that's confirming what I'm so
25:50
Speaker 6: scared of, that I'm completely worthless.
25:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes so much sense.
25:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, even when you were saying as well about like
25:56
Speaker 3: not speaking up and using your voice, I was always
25:58
Speaker 3: the shy little girl. I never use my voice, I
26:00
Speaker 3: never spoke up, I never sean, I never ever let
26:03
Speaker 3: myself be in situation where I could be I guess scared.
26:08
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's really interesting.
26:09
Speaker 4: So interesting, and I feel like so many females will
26:11
Speaker 4: relate so much to that. You know, how they say,
26:14
Speaker 4: I've heard so much of the first seven years in
26:16
Speaker 4: your life. Do you think most of our block stress
26:19
Speaker 4: and situations and trauma comes from those first seven I don't.
26:23
Speaker 6: Know if the majority of the stress, because you can
26:26
Speaker 6: have horrendous things happen to you at twenty and thirty, right,
26:30
Speaker 6: But a lot of our patterns, like what they always
26:33
Speaker 6: say is show me someone at seven, I'll show you
26:35
Speaker 6: that person for life. And that is you know, like
26:38
Speaker 6: the whole cheetah can't change your spots. Now, we know
26:41
Speaker 6: that we can by doing this sort of stuff, right,
26:43
Speaker 6: But we have a lot of our strategies as a child.
26:46
Speaker 6: It really never matters as a parent what you say
26:49
Speaker 6: to your child. They are watching through their mirror genes
26:51
Speaker 6: all the time and they're learning their strategies. It's like, oh,
26:55
Speaker 6: that seems to work really well.
26:56
Speaker 1: You know.
26:57
Speaker 6: Sometimes they push us in certain directions and if they
26:59
Speaker 6: can cry and get away with something, they will continually
27:03
Speaker 6: to use that strategy until it doesn't work, and all
27:05
Speaker 6: of a sudden when we push back and create a
27:07
Speaker 6: boundary as a parent, right, and then they'll usually get
27:10
Speaker 6: angry to begin with. Then they might try and cry
27:12
Speaker 6: it through. Then they might try emotional blackmail, and then
27:15
Speaker 6: when they realize that that boundary is set, they will
27:18
Speaker 6: just go flick and go into a different strategy. And
27:20
Speaker 6: then they might try being extra nice, or they might
27:22
Speaker 6: try and you know whatever, I'll do stuff for you,
27:25
Speaker 6: or I don't know. But we only use strategies until
27:28
Speaker 6: they're no longer beneficial. So I don't believe that all
27:31
Speaker 6: of our trauma and stress has been occurred in that
27:33
Speaker 6: seven years, but our patterns based on certain challenges, Most
27:38
Speaker 6: of our patterns have been established, and they continue on
27:41
Speaker 6: until we reach a point where the consequence of those
27:44
Speaker 6: patterns and behaviors shows as a negative right and then
27:47
Speaker 6: we start to react against it. And for most people
27:50
Speaker 6: then they just fight against those habits and patterns for
27:52
Speaker 6: the rest of our life, where you know, they're like,
27:54
Speaker 6: I don't want to overeat anymore, and then the next
27:57
Speaker 6: day I've overeaten them that I beat up on myself,
28:00
Speaker 6: and then I just go on this pattern of where
28:02
Speaker 6: my conscious is so different from the needs of subconscious
28:06
Speaker 6: that I'm just in constant turmoil within myself, and then
28:09
Speaker 6: that just creates pain, which creates stress.
28:12
Speaker 1: The effects of stress creates either.
28:14
Speaker 6: Toxins or deficiency toxins like you know, deficiencies and all
28:17
Speaker 6: like key minerals, cove actors, BI vitamins, and then we
28:20
Speaker 6: have health issues and that's where our disease comes from.
28:22
Speaker 6: In my opinion of how it all happens.
28:25
Speaker 5: Wow, so interconnected.
28:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
28:28
Speaker 4: People think it's just oh, I've got this disease because
28:31
Speaker 4: it's runs in my family. It's because this happened because
28:34
Speaker 4: I ate this. It's like an onion. There's just so
28:36
Speaker 4: many layers to it.
28:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, so interesting, amazing.
28:39
Speaker 7: We're sitting here absorbing it all. It's going wow, yeah, fascinating.
28:43
Speaker 7: I suppose we need to wrap this up. We're going
28:45
Speaker 7: to have you on for our Wednesday as well. But
28:47
Speaker 7: I would love to know if anyone's listening to this
28:50
Speaker 7: and they've just obviously learnt so much and taken so
28:53
Speaker 7: much on board from the information that you've given us,
28:55
Speaker 7: if they're like, Okay, wow, I really want to dig
28:59
Speaker 7: deep to my block stress and learn more about myself
29:01
Speaker 7: and be my most authentic self. But I don't know
29:04
Speaker 7: how where do I start? Like, where the fuck do
29:06
Speaker 7: I start? Obviously you do coaching.
29:08
Speaker 4: I know you've got a humongous wait list, and what
29:11
Speaker 4: can they do from here?
29:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, obviously they can reach out. I do coaching
29:15
Speaker 6: as well. Obviously I've got different courses. Just releasing a
29:19
Speaker 6: retreat that they can sort of you know, do sort
29:21
Speaker 6: of four days, that sort of hyper you know, it
29:23
Speaker 6: gets you ready to be able to manage and do
29:25
Speaker 6: this by yourself. But obviously there's any limitations to that.
29:28
Speaker 6: There's plenty of ways you can get out there. The
29:30
Speaker 6: first thing you need to do is start to listen
29:31
Speaker 6: into yourself, and that obviously is really hard when you've
29:34
Speaker 6: got a million thoughts, You've got you know, a million coffees.
29:38
Speaker 1: You might be doing nicotine, you.
29:39
Speaker 6: Might be using alcohol at night times, because that's how
29:41
Speaker 6: you suppress.
29:42
Speaker 1: And calm down.
29:43
Speaker 6: Life's busy, but it has to become Yeah, this focus
29:47
Speaker 6: back on self and listening. Your body is constantly, constantly,
29:52
Speaker 6: always giving you signals, whether it's a headache, whether it's
29:55
Speaker 6: low energy, whether it's the sniffles, whether it's sickness, whether
29:59
Speaker 6: it's anxiety. Anxiety is I don't like to use with anxiety,
30:02
Speaker 6: but feeling anxious or worried is a beautiful thing. If
30:06
Speaker 6: we didn't feel that, because our body's constantly predicting into
30:09
Speaker 6: the future of how safe is this next upcoming thing,
30:12
Speaker 6: how much energy will I need in the next hour,
30:14
Speaker 6: how much energy will I need to reserve for the
30:16
Speaker 6: next day. If somebody walks into the room, your subconscious
30:19
Speaker 6: is already reacting. If we had a little monitor on
30:21
Speaker 6: your finger or on your pulse, you'd notice. And this
30:25
Speaker 6: has been done multiple times in tests. But a boss
30:28
Speaker 6: can walk into the room. People's heart rates can go
30:30
Speaker 6: up elevated into almost a panic situation without even noticing it,
30:35
Speaker 6: just by the presence of somebody that they feel like stress,
30:37
Speaker 6: or somebody that's grown up in a poor neighborhood. A
30:41
Speaker 6: policeman drives past, and their heart rate will go elevated immediately.
30:45
Speaker 6: Therefore the stress response has been activated. That means their
30:47
Speaker 6: blood vessels are constricting, they're starting to perspire, you know,
30:50
Speaker 6: like all these things. The stress system has been set
30:53
Speaker 6: in place by the subconscious. Just yeah, one hundred percent,
30:56
Speaker 6: and so worry, anxiousness, etc. It's a beautiful signal to say, hey,
31:02
Speaker 6: just checking in. I'm a little worried about what's coming up.
31:05
Speaker 6: That's all it is, is a beautiful little warning, but we.
31:08
Speaker 1: Go shut up. I don't want to hear about it. No,
31:09
Speaker 1: it's okay.
31:10
Speaker 6: We start to micromanage things in the future and we
31:12
Speaker 6: start to push things down, and we're like, I can't
31:14
Speaker 6: think about this because I get stressed. We do exactly
31:17
Speaker 6: the opposite of what we need to do to listen,
31:19
Speaker 6: you know.
31:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such a cool way to word anxious thoughts
31:22
Speaker 4: or just like being worried about something, because I think
31:24
Speaker 4: society is painted being anxious like it's just it.
31:29
Speaker 5: Yeah.
31:29
Speaker 4: But once again, it's like your body's telling you, hey,
31:32
Speaker 4: are you safe right now?
31:34
Speaker 5: Yeah? Tell me, yeah, hold space for me.
31:39
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I.
31:41
Speaker 5: Absolutely love that. Thank you so much, Leve.
31:43
Speaker 4: I feel like we could sit here and talk all
31:44
Speaker 4: day and ask you a million questions. But you said
31:46
Speaker 4: you've got a retreat coming up that's in August, am.
31:48
Speaker 6: I right, Yeah, it is message me on Insta or
31:51
Speaker 6: at LEVI the Mind Body Guy or whatever.
31:53
Speaker 1: At Mind Body HQ. You can always find stuff.
31:55
Speaker 5: I'm amazing. And you're doing a lot of work with
31:57
Speaker 5: men as well.
31:57
Speaker 4: You've got an incredible podcast it's helping men's mental health,
32:00
Speaker 4: which is Titans.
32:02
Speaker 6: Titans of EQ. Yeah, it's it's it feels like a
32:05
Speaker 6: ready time for men. Women are really hit at a game,
32:09
Speaker 6: really leading for twenty twenty five probably more. I mean,
32:12
Speaker 6: I'm only aware of it for twenty five years, but
32:14
Speaker 6: men have always been just nuh nuh nuh. And I
32:18
Speaker 6: believe now we don't change until we have to. And
32:21
Speaker 6: it's quite obvious that women are really starting to lead
32:24
Speaker 6: the way in so many ways of how we need
32:26
Speaker 6: to act, how we need to feel, how we need
32:27
Speaker 6: to think, and the old patterns that men have been
32:30
Speaker 6: used to using in are really being shown up is
32:32
Speaker 6: not good enough, right, and they need to change or
32:34
Speaker 6: they're going to get left behind and they're going to
32:36
Speaker 6: feel shit. So they're ready and that's why I'm doing that.
32:39
Speaker 4: So awesome, so proud of you and all the work
32:42
Speaker 4: that you've put in over the years and the massive
32:44
Speaker 4: positive impact like I've witnessed it firsthand. And yeah, I
32:47
Speaker 4: just feel so so grateful that you come on here
32:48
Speaker 4: today and will be seeing you Wednesday. So Wednesday we're
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Speaker 4: going to be covering a lot of pain behind trauma.
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Speaker 1: Yeah sure, cool.
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Speaker 3: So thanks so much, LEVI, thanks so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Bye,