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- 0:01Today on the podcast, we're going to continue our
- 0:03conversations with the Tech bro series.
- 0:07And the question we're going to be looking at is whether you
- 0:09have to sell the outcome of what your organization is going to
- 0:13be. So Oh yeah, before I continue,
- 0:16I'm making today's recording out and about.
- 0:18I'm in the parking lot, so expect to hear cars in the
- 0:20background and people having conversations, you know, stuff
- 0:23like that. So usual interruptions.
- 0:26So yeah, so conversations with the tech bro, This is me running
- 0:30commentary on a live event that happened in Lagos sometime next,
- 0:37sorry, last year, I presume, where somebody who is big in the
- 0:40tech space, the guy is a successful tech founder who also
- 0:45invests in businesses in Nigeria.
- 0:49And the guy took the podium, The guy took the stage to let people
- 0:52know that if you're starting your startup, you're coming into
- 0:56the tech space, these are the kinds of things that you have to
- 1:00expect, like you have to deal with when it comes to sales and
- 1:04to marketing. So I'm running commentary
- 1:06essentially on what this guy has said just to revisit some of the
- 1:11things that he got correct and give a proper perspective where
- 1:15he said things that were not entirely legit when it comes to
- 1:19sales and marketing. Although so far we've seen that
- 1:21he said lots of helpful stuff. And I've been able to expand
- 1:25upon why these things are useful and also to give you the
- 1:28practical next steps of what to do because it's normal that are
- 1:32these sorts of events. Somebody would stand up and say,
- 1:34oh, to sell, you have to be trustworthy and then they just
- 1:36move on. But they didn't exactly tell you
- 1:39how can you be trustworthy in your own business in this
- 1:42particular context, how you're going to build trust, you know,
- 1:44things like that. So if you remember correctly,
- 1:48yesterday's episode was just me fleshing out a couple of things
- 1:50that you got correct. And one thing that he said
- 1:55during the event, which is kind of true, which is what we're
- 1:58going to look at today, is he said you have to sell the
- 2:00outcome of what your organization is going to be.
- 2:03And it's something that I can endorse because lots of people
- 2:05run around trying to sell based on features.
- 2:08Oh, sorry, this is your first time listening to the podcast.
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- 3:29So like I said, he he has mentioned something that I can
- 3:32agree with. He says you have to sell the
- 3:33outcome of your organization. So the outcome of what you
- 3:36organize, the outcome of what your organization is going to
- 3:39be. And yeah, I can get behind that.
- 3:43One of the reasons why we can say yes, he's correct is because
- 3:45lots of people do feature based selling.
- 3:47So somebody walks up to you and say check out this phone, the
- 3:50Samsung V Fold. It is 20/20/2025.
- 3:54In fact, this one is 2026 model. They never release some.
- 3:57Check it, see the way The thing is folding, see AMOLED screen,
- 4:01see the way you touch it, see the casing, See 256 gigabytes.
- 4:06See this. See, you know, that's how most
- 4:08people sell. Feature, feature, feature,
- 4:10feature, feature. But they forget that people
- 4:12don't buy features, people buy outcomes.
- 4:15So for people like me who are looking at the Tesla cyber
- 4:17truck, we're not really buying it because of the feature per
- 4:19SE. It's because, you know, it's a
- 4:21cyber truck. If you buy that kind of car, you
- 4:24know, you don't arrive. You understand it's not easy to
- 4:26pull a whip that can that cost anything between, you know, 230
- 4:30million. Although the one I want to buy
- 4:33when I have the money, you know, I saw it at Circuit Motor.
- 4:37He has it at 430 million naira, by the way.
- 4:40I don't have that kind of money yet.
- 4:42So when you get in touch with me, don't come and ask me for
- 4:43money. But I'm glad that the people who
- 4:45usually ask me for financial assistance, you know, those
- 4:47people have stopped. So I think you've gotten the
- 4:49message. So when somebody's buying
- 4:51Cybertruck is not because, you know, no BC because of future,
- 4:56future like it's electric cars E VS for forget that thing,
- 5:01especially in Niger. I think people who are buying
- 5:03these cars now it's, it's a flex is a big flex.
- 5:08I think that's, I think that's it.
- 5:11Anyway, where was I in the bottom line?
- 5:14What I'm just trying to say is people don't buy features,
- 5:16people buy results. So a woman comes and says make
- 5:19me a peplum dress you as a fashion designer.
- 5:22You're thinking that woman is buying peplum.
- 5:24She's not buying peplum, she is buying a result.
- 5:26There's a certain way that peplum makes her feel, a certain
- 5:29way that peplum makes her look. There's a certain way that
- 5:31Peplum helps her to accentuate her curves or whatever.
- 5:36So people don't buy features, people buy outcomes.
- 5:41So I'll give you an example here.
- 5:42Whether you sell cars, whether you're in the fashion space or
- 5:44whether you're in the tech space, you need to learn to
- 5:47speak to outcomes. You need to learn to speak to
- 5:50results when you're talking to people, when you're talking to
- 5:52potential customers, potential clients, because that is what
- 5:56people buy. Now there are some people who
- 6:01yes, they come and they ask for features, but if you ask some
- 6:03small questions, you will now realize the reason behind their
- 6:07fixation on features. For instance, back when I was a
- 6:10wedding photographer, I spoke to a potential by bride and groom.
- 6:13I didn't end up getting the deal and that was because the guy was
- 6:17so keen on the Nikon camera on Nikon, as we say in this part of
- 6:22the world, he was keen on Nikon D something, something.
- 6:25Was it the D 3100 or something? By the way, this was a very long
- 6:31time ago. So, you know, technology don't
- 6:33progress like things have moved on.
- 6:35So just know that this was the camera that was raining at the
- 6:38time and the guy won't stop going on about this Nikon no
- 6:42D3100. So I had to be upfront that look
- 6:45dude, I appreciate that this camera is the correct camera,
- 6:48but to be honest, I'm a Sony shooter and what I have is I
- 6:52have the Sony alpha, I have the A200, I have the A77 and I have
- 6:56the A77 Mark 2. And to be honest, the features
- 7:01that you're looking for are available in these cameras.
- 7:04But I'm just curious, Sha, like why, why does it have to be the
- 7:09Nikon D3130100? And I listened and the guy was
- 7:15going on and on and on and on and on.
- 7:17And at the end of the day, I think the guy just wanted the he
- 7:21just wanted the the feels like the bragging rights that the
- 7:24person that covered his wedding covered it with the latest Nikon
- 7:28D30100, you know, And then of course, for me anyway, lots of
- 7:35people say that I'm being silly because this is Niger.
- 7:37But for me at that kind of situation, This is why I tell
- 7:40the person, OK, well, you know what?
- 7:42I'm a Sony shooter. I've shopped with, I've shopped
- 7:45with Sony for a very long time. And if you know what, I'm a cool
- 7:49with my aesthetics, then yeah, we can go ahead.
- 7:51But it if it absolutely has to be the Nikon D 3100, then I'm
- 7:57sorry, I can't sort you out because if I just go and get
- 7:59that camera now because I want to win your business, I go and
- 8:03rent that camera on your wedding day.
- 8:05I go to fumble because you know, it's a different layout, it's
- 8:08different. This is a different that.
- 8:09So I'm just being upfront with you.
- 8:10So you know, you and Madame, you guys need to have a chat and let
- 8:14me know. And then we didn't go ahead
- 8:16because he wanted it to be somebody who is shooting with a
- 8:20Nikon D30100. So what you can see that in that
- 8:26case it was not really the feature per SE, it was all this
- 8:29extra stuff, you know, the latest, the newest, the
- 8:32megapixel count, the whatever. You know, it's just the
- 8:34bragging, bragging rights. So even when people come up to
- 8:37you and they're talking about features, features, features,
- 8:40features, if you ask some kind small questions, you realize
- 8:45that there is still some outcome that they are trying to pursue.
- 8:50So let us learn to talk in terms of outcomes and not in terms of
- 8:56features. By the way, you know, have a
- 9:00debate amongst yourselves, what do you think?
- 9:02Was I right or was I not right? Because photographers used to
- 9:05play that, you know, kind of game a lot.
- 9:07If you're talking to somebody and the person like this kind of
- 9:08camera and no problem on the wedding day, you'll show up and
- 9:12then you do some small demo with the camera.
- 9:13So the person will feel like, ah, correct, you're using the
- 9:15camera. Then as the wedding day goes on,
- 9:18you just put the camera down and shoot with what you know, you're
- 9:20used to. So some people used to play
- 9:21those kind of tricks on clients, but for me, I didn't like
- 9:25playing those kind of whatever. So although some people said I
- 9:28was just being silly, like look, now the camera, the guy wants
- 9:31rent it now don't be 30 K, rent it for 30K and then add it on
- 9:35top, you know. So yeah, you guys have a debate.
- 9:37Let me know what you think. So in a sense, the tech bro who
- 9:41said you have to be able to sell the outcome of what your
- 9:43organization is going to be. Yeah, in a sense that is true.
- 9:47So we sell outcomes and we sell results of what your products or
- 9:50what your service is going to do for the person who you are
- 9:53talking to. So yes, however, if what the guy
- 9:58means when he said sell the outcome of what your
- 10:00organization is going to be, if what tech bro meant was what he
- 10:06meant was that you have to sell the outcome of the, the, how
- 10:10will I put it, the business that you're building, you're trying
- 10:12to sell that. Look, this business, where will
- 10:14they build this app? Where will they build like the,
- 10:18you know, this is where we're running to, this is where we're
- 10:21building this, we're building Africa's Unicorn, we're building
- 10:23this, we're building that, that, that, that, that then, well,
- 10:26maybe it might help or it might not help if you're talking to
- 10:29potential customers or clients. However, if you're talking to
- 10:33potential investors or stakeholders, OK, yes.
- 10:36Then talking about that grand vision, yeah, it might help
- 10:39because there are some people who don't want to put money down
- 10:41or something that is, you know, like the the returns will not be
- 10:46won't be sweet. We don't want to drop money for
- 10:48Unicorn. Like this is going to be big.
- 10:50We're going to list on New York Stock Exchange.
- 10:52We're going to list on the what's it called?
- 10:56This regional stock market in Kenya.
- 10:59What's that thing called? I can't remember Shah, but you
- 11:01know, we list everywhere. You know, London, we go list New
- 11:05York, we go list Kenya, we go list South Africa, we go list
- 11:09publicly traded company Africa's Unicorn.
- 11:11This, that, that, that, that, that, that.
- 11:12So some people want to be a part of all that.
- 11:15So in that sense, you're talking to investors and stakeholders,
- 11:18let them know that this business where we they build is where
- 11:22we're heading. This app where we design is
- 11:24where we're heading. So like that.
- 11:27But either way, when it comes to getting customers or comes to
- 11:30getting investors on board, we have to speak in terms of
- 11:32results. We have to speak in terms of
- 11:36outcomes so that we can get customers and so we can get
- 11:39investors on board. So don't talk about the
- 11:41features. Too many of you talk about
- 11:42features. I see everyday on LinkedIn
- 11:46people who say Web 3 technology, something AI integration, blah
- 11:49blah blah. You know, XYZHTML something
- 11:54something software architecture overlay, like relax, it's
- 11:58overkill. Most of the people who are going
- 12:02to buy your, you know, subscribe to your app or whatever don't
- 12:07understand these terms and probably do not need to know.
- 12:09If you're talking to a technical audience, then yes, going to all
- 12:13that detail. But you know, to be honest,
- 12:15saying web 3 based something, something, something, you're
- 12:17just losing a lot of people. And for the fun of it, I keep on
- 12:21asking people who when we have these conversations, I say, OK,
- 12:24what is web 2? What is web three?
- 12:25They can't really tell me the difference or they can't tell
- 12:28the difference in a way that has any meaningful impact to me, who
- 12:32might be the user of this thing. So stop talking about features.
- 12:36I mean, stop, especially the AI thing, you know, AI integrated,
- 12:40you know, like anyway, just talk in terms of results, if you use
- 12:45this app, if you use this product, if you use this
- 12:47service, what is it that you are going to enjoy?
- 12:49What is the outcome that you are going to get?
- 12:51Oh, by the way, if you're talking to fundra investors and
- 12:55maybe mentioned AI because I've noticed or rather I've heard
- 12:58because you know, I'm not in that space that now people are
- 13:01throwing money into anything that is AI related.
- 13:04So maybe say and we get AI now this is how we integrate AI.
- 13:07Maybe that might help you to raise some funds.
- 13:10So talk in terms of outcomes, talk in terms of results.
- 13:14So if you sell cars, you tell the person that look, if you buy
- 13:18this car or any other car from me, you will not smell mechanic
- 13:22for the first year that you use this car.
- 13:25I'm telling you, how do you write people?
- 13:28How do you say it? It means or bear, I mean a
- 13:31minimal. So bear.
- 13:32I mean, how do you say it? It is me that is saying it.
- 13:35Buy this car one year, you will not smell mechanic, I am telling
- 13:38you, between God and man, you know, touch the car, this car,
- 13:44you're speaking in terms of outcomes, in terms of results.
- 13:48If you sell insurance, you tell the person that Madam, with this
- 13:52plan, your children should be able to get XYZ amounts in the
- 13:55unfortunate event that you pass away before so, so, so and so
- 13:59age, then God forbid we're praying for long life.
- 14:03But if anything happens, Madam, these are children.
- 14:06This is how much my company is guaranteeing this is what they
- 14:10will receive. Now speaking in terms of
- 14:12outcomes and speaking in terms of results.
- 14:14If you sell skin care, you tell the person that look, Madam, if
- 14:17you try this upv 56 this upv something something this
- 14:22pineapple Coco share buttercream something, something you will
- 14:25not break out again in Hamilton. I'm the one who is telling you,
- 14:29ma, we've done skin analysis. We've done recommendation.
- 14:32We've done every every This is my field.
- 14:35I'm telling you, Mommy, if you buy this cream, this hammer
- 14:38tongue, you won't see one single pimple on your face.
- 14:41You're speaking in terms of outcomes.
- 14:42You're speaking in terms of results.
- 14:44By the way, can you see now why product market knowledge is
- 14:51essential when it comes to selling?
- 14:54Because if you do not know your stuff and if you how I put it,
- 15:01if you do not know your stuff, you do not know enough of the
- 15:03product or the service to guarantee some kind of results,
- 15:07you will see how your mouth will be shaking and you know you
- 15:11won't have the integrity, you won't have the courage to come
- 15:13out and speak boldly on some things.
- 15:16So for the car, it is only somebody who knows about cars,
- 15:21who know where these things are imported from, who trust his
- 15:24crew, who has, you know, what's it called, refurbished the car
- 15:29and everything. That is the only kind of person
- 15:30that can say, look, buy this car one year, you will smell cell
- 15:33mechanic because the guy is a subject matter expert.
- 15:36He knows my cars have been imported from so, so, so and so.
- 15:39This is my crew. All of them have experience,
- 15:42They've worked on this car. If they say this car is good to
- 15:44go, this car is good to go. The same thing with insurance,
- 15:49Excuse me, You can only say it with a full chest.
- 15:52If you are an insurance expert, that for these kinds of
- 15:56contracts, for these kinds of premium, for this kind of claim,
- 15:59for this kind of this, for this kind of that you can say with
- 16:02your futures that look, Madam, I am the one that is saying it.
- 16:05If anything that should happen, This is how much your children
- 16:07will get. The same thing with the skin
- 16:09care. If you're dosing the skin care
- 16:11again because you've heard that it's a nice easy way for people
- 16:13to make money, but you don't know your stuff.
- 16:15You don't know about the different formulas, you don't
- 16:19know about the different skin types, you don't know about the
- 16:21different use case scenarios. Where should people use purple
- 16:24cream? Where should people use tomato
- 16:26cream? Where should people use
- 16:27pineapple cream? You don't know.
- 16:29You won't be able to say with your full chest that Madam, buy
- 16:32this thing and your skin will not break out again in Hamatan.
- 16:35That anybody that will see you in this Hamatan will see you
- 16:37with smooth, soft baby skin. So This is why Brian Trace is
- 16:45correct when he said subject matter expertise is the
- 16:47beginning. So you gas to know your stuff.
- 16:50So you can talk in terms of outcomes, you can talk in terms
- 16:53of results and you can say it with your full chest and like
- 16:56you're what people say. You say a minimal sorbet, Amy,
- 17:01Amy sorbet. I'll be how do they see it,
- 17:03Namitoka? And you say with your full
- 17:05chest, so how do you know what kind of outcomes you need to
- 17:10emphasize? Whether you sell cars, whether
- 17:12you sell insurance, whether you sell skin care, whether you're
- 17:15coming up with a payment processing platform, whether
- 17:18you're coming up with a with an app?
- 17:19How do you know which kind of outcomes that you need to
- 17:21emphasize? Very simple.
- 17:23For those of you who've been listening to the podcast in the
- 17:25last week, you already know what I'm going to say.
- 17:28You're probably tired of hearing me saying it.
- 17:30This is where understanding value comes in play.
- 17:32Understanding value is a skill where you're able to stay front
- 17:36and center, face to face with somebody.
- 17:38I'm looking at you in the eye, you're looking at me, or I'm
- 17:41calling you on the phone, you know, ear to ear.
- 17:44Any which way you're able to ask questions of the person to
- 17:48figure out what do they want? What do they need?
- 17:51What do they like? What is their vision?
- 17:54Where are they heading to? That is understanding value.
- 17:57What does this person find valuable?
- 17:59Some people call this need analysis.
- 18:00You're trying to figure out what their actual need is.
- 18:04If you talk to sales trainers, especially more traditionally
- 18:07minded ones like me, this is where we talk about
- 18:09qualification and discovery, asking questions about the
- 18:11person, asking questions about the problem.
- 18:14But either way, if you sell cars, understanding value, you
- 18:19will now be trying to figure out this person.
- 18:20Is he a Benz person? Is he a Toyota person?
- 18:23Is he a Jaguar person? Is he a whatever?
- 18:26What does he like about this kind of car?
- 18:29Where is he coming from? What is his background?
- 18:31Did he come from the kind of family where they don't buy
- 18:33certain cars? Like I remember when I was
- 18:35younger, I was talking about Honda Accord.
- 18:37My father looked at me and said, wow, you touch Honda Accord.
- 18:39I said it's a good car. And my father said, are you how
- 18:42Sir? I said, no, Sir.
- 18:44He said good. And then we continue driving.
- 18:47And you know, he made an impression.
- 18:48Sorry for, you know, those of you, you know, Nigerians who are
- 18:51listening, you know, I know he sounds somehow but you know,
- 18:54just is what it is. You know, there's only certain
- 18:55kinds of people who drive certain kinds of cars.
- 18:57And then there's one time when I was a young boy, I was talking
- 19:00about Volvo, that I like the Volvo.
- 19:01This that, that, that that my auntie say, are you able?
- 19:04I said no, auntie. And then that's how that
- 19:06conversation died down. So anyway, you see understanding
- 19:12value, who are you talking to? What do they like?
- 19:14Where are they coming from? It is only when you talk to
- 19:17people and ask them all these relevant questions that then you
- 19:20can ask talking into start talking in terms of outcomes and
- 19:24results that will match exactly what it is that they care about.
- 19:29The same thing with insurance or the same thing with skin care.
- 19:32You know who is this woman? What is her pomade history?
- 19:34What kind of pomade was she using before?
- 19:36What kind of cream was she using before?
- 19:38What kind of soap was she using before?
- 19:40What is her skin type now? Did pregnancy affect her skin
- 19:43type Any which way? Does her skin routine change
- 19:46from dry season to rainy season? What is she trying to achieve?
- 19:50Is she trying to look yellow so that her future is bright?
- 19:53Or does she want to be like me, dark and lovely, You know, those
- 19:56of us where our middle name is Melanin, Is she trying to be
- 20:00like one of us? Ask all these questions, need
- 20:03analysis, understand value, qualification and discovery.
- 20:08So it is only when you have these sorts of conversations
- 20:11that you'll be able to know what kind of outcome, what kind of
- 20:16result this person is looking for, this person is aiming for,
- 20:20and then you will be able to speak.
- 20:24In terms of outcomes and results.
- 20:27So if it's your first time listening to the podcast,
- 20:28there's no need for me making another 45 minute episodes.
- 20:31All you have to do is when you finish this one, just quickly
- 20:34load up yesterday's episode, listen the day before, listen
- 20:38the last one week. I've said a lot about
- 20:42understanding value, need analysis, qualification and
- 20:45discovery and these sorts of skills that you have to become
- 20:50good at so that you can sell better.
- 20:52Oh, by the way, in case I didn't mention it, I'm sure if I'm, I'm
- 20:57sure I didn't mention it. Some of you hear these things
- 21:00and some of you become afraid. You say, hey, hey, wow, this
- 21:03thing is complex. Relax.
- 21:05In the beginning, it always sounds complex because you are
- 21:07new to the thing. All right?
- 21:11You're new to the thing. That's why it sounds complex.
- 21:17But it is a learnable skill. It is a learnable skill.
- 21:22Most things when it comes to sales and marketing are
- 21:25learnable skills. In the beginning, it will sound
- 21:27big. The more you continue to listen,
- 21:30the more you continue to apply, the more you continue to
- 21:32practice, you won't seem like it's a big deal.
- 21:36Take for instance me in my football career.
- 21:39My football career was terminated tragically when I was
- 21:41in primary school because my coach, he said you should come
- 21:44and try for school team because I have some skills.
- 21:47So I went on the pitch now be feeling like a bad guy, like
- 21:51Tava Shimmer is going to make school team.
- 21:53But then the coach, the the ball that he brought was because we
- 21:58used to play with the we used to call it fellowly back in the
- 22:00day, very soft ball, very, very soft.
- 22:04He now brought what's this thing?
- 22:06What would I call it now regulation.
- 22:07The guy now brought FIFA regulation ball.
- 22:09I held this thing. This thing was heavy.
- 22:11I said I bounce it on the floor. The thing bounce beam sounded
- 22:15like cement. I said hi, which kind of ball is
- 22:16this anyway? Sha, we continue to play then
- 22:19that's how one guy, Ali, Ali was our best player.
- 22:22The guy was a doggo, as in tall, tall like a tree as how Ali took
- 22:27one short bomb. The thing was heading close to
- 22:30the to the goal posts. I mean, I feel like a bad guy.
- 22:33I gave head. I used my head beam or more.
- 22:37He felt like somebody dropped a bag of cement on my head.
- 22:40I fell on the floor. See blood on my nose, See blood,
- 22:44blood just they pour everywhere. Absolute gosha.
- 22:48So my coach has to go and sit down.
- 22:50I went to the top to go and wash my face because then I was in
- 22:52Osama Primary School. So we had a tap at the back of
- 22:55the classroom and where the football pitch was.
- 22:58I watched my face and then I told my son, I said, Tavishima,
- 23:02I love football. But you know what?
- 23:04My career, my football career is over.
- 23:07I'm not a footballer. If this is what we're going to
- 23:10be playing with ball that is like concrete.
- 23:12They sent out FIFA regulation. I said I'm out.
- 23:16I told the coach, the coach, I will see you later.
- 23:20And that's how my football career ended.
- 23:22So anyway, but before I ended my football career, at least I
- 23:27learned how to do leg over. You dribble, you do leg over,
- 23:31move to the left, somebody jumps to the left, you now continue to
- 23:33the right, you now go and score goal.
- 23:35You understand? So the point I'm trying to make
- 23:38is this, just like football, It was also the same in sales.
- 23:43Not learnable skills. Were they involved?
- 23:44So a certain amount of talent, yes, but there are also
- 23:47learnable skills that are involved.
- 23:49If you stay long enough, you'll be able to do it eventually.
- 23:54So I terminated my football career early, so I only know how
- 23:57to do the leg over. That's all that thing that the
- 23:59coach I used to do where you're running, then you run in front
- 24:02of the ball, you use your leg and then just flip it.
- 24:05You will now throw the ball from the back, over your head, over
- 24:08the defender. I never learned that, so to
- 24:12today still looks like magic, but it's a learnable skill.
- 24:15If I had stayed just because I saw small blood on my face, I
- 24:19now killed my football career. If I had stayed, I would have
- 24:23known not only leg over, I'd have learnt that.
- 24:25Now flipping something, I would have learnt bicycle kick, I
- 24:29would have learnt scorpion kick. You know all those moves that we
- 24:33used to see back in the days. Now you know, Rashidi Yakini,
- 24:36George Campus, George Campus, I have was a guy that used to do
- 24:40scorpion kick and all those things that used to fascinate us
- 24:43back then. And then Pele with his all those
- 24:46shots that he used to take, very, very clinical.
- 24:49So if I had stayed, excuse me, if I had stayed, I would have
- 24:54learned them because they are learnable skills.
- 24:57So don't hear all the things that I'm saying.
- 25:00And then with the beginning fear, it's OK, it's a learnable
- 25:04skill. So keep listening, keep trying,
- 25:08keep applying, and you'll be all right.
- 25:10So that's all for today. Thank you very much for
- 25:13listening. And remember, if you'd love to
- 25:15connect with me, you can call, send me a text message or send
- 25:18me a WhatsApp message on 08064662140.
- 25:24So thanks for your time and attention.
- 25:25I'll catch you all some other time.