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[22/25] The Flight of the Garuda — Session 20 (Apr 2022) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_01: I believe we are on chapter 20.
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  SPEAKER_01: If we're not, somebody better write in to chat and let me know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zogchen Jupe Lama La Sol Wodeb,
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  SPEAKER_01: Argyam Pema Junela Sol Wodeb,
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  SPEAKER_01: Durjichang Chitilo Narudang,
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  SPEAKER_01: Marpa Mila Gompo Tsatsapa,
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  SPEAKER_01: Na Pupadang Palden Drupasok,
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  SPEAKER_01: Kargyu Lama Namla Sol Vahadev,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama Namla Sol Vahadev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Juchen Lama Namla Sol Vahadeb.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kaginwari Lama Namla Sol Vahadeb.
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  SPEAKER_01: Syakya Lama Namla Sol Vahadeb.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nyan du da yundrun Lama nam la sol wa
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  SPEAKER_01: adem.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pal khan du zhong dang yer me pa. Gan garab dur ji zhing trag pa. Jeti dang nisu me pa hai.
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  SPEAKER_01: Palamanam Chitandir,
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  SPEAKER_01: Chung.
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  SPEAKER_01: Arising Bodhisitta and taking refuge
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  SPEAKER_01: is the beginning of all practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is also the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without bodhisitta you will not complete it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without refuge you will not find it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember these two points.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're important.
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  SPEAKER_01: Presumably all of you out there who are here Have done the ordinary nundro.
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  SPEAKER_01: However,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you haven't or do not feel yourself truly convinced
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  SPEAKER_01: that you are human,
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  SPEAKER_01: fully human,
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  SPEAKER_01: with all the responsibility and opportunity that goes with that,
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  SPEAKER_01: are going to die Inevitably,
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  SPEAKER_01: are going to experience both joy and sorrow and understand the workings of karma
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  SPEAKER_01: that leads to both joy and sorrow.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you have uncertainty on this, a dear friend of mine, Olga Rinpoche,
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  SPEAKER_01: I have known him since he was a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's known me since I was a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we go way back.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to come.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's from Tsopema.
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  SPEAKER_01: And his English is excellent.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's actually better than mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's going to come and teach you Ordinary Nundro on this website.
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  SPEAKER_01: What date is Palga scheduled for?
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  SPEAKER_01: Could you look real quick?
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me double check.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I highly recommend That any of you who have the least doubts or lack
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  SPEAKER_01: an admittance certainty of these four points,
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  SPEAKER_01: what it is to be human,
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  SPEAKER_01: impermanence and death,
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  SPEAKER_01: the nature of suffering and the causes of such,
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  SPEAKER_01: come and attend his teachings.
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  SPEAKER_01: They will be right here on this channel.
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  SPEAKER_00: On the 17th of April.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right now,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's going to begin on the 17th of April,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we'll see how far he gets and how many times he's going to join us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So be welcome for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now here today, we are in Flight of the Garuda, and it's a glasses day for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're getting more calm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Emma Ho again, beloved son and daughters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Listen well.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you sustain this practice unwaveringly from the beginning
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  SPEAKER_01: until you abandon yourself totally in complete freedom,
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  SPEAKER_01: there will be no stirring from the supreme truth and no departure from the here
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  SPEAKER_01: and now.
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  SPEAKER_01: What practice are we talking about?
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  SPEAKER_01: Chapter 19.
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  SPEAKER_01: The essence of Treksha.
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  SPEAKER_01: How meditation dissolves into non-meditation without going away.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do not seek to alter your thoughts in any way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Leave them in their natural state without forcing them or adulterating them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let them alone as empty radiance without clinging to them,
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  SPEAKER_01: reifying them, and thus allow self-expression to release itself by itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let them be without reification,
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  SPEAKER_01: without meditation, and without any effort, leaving no trace whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Normally,
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  SPEAKER_01: when you're thinking,
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  SPEAKER_01: You're grabbing those thoughts and you're thinking that
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  SPEAKER_01: the thoughts you're thinking are real.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's called reifying a thought, believing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you think it's sunny today or you think it's cloudy today and you think that's real.
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  SPEAKER_01: You do not recognize it as simply the play of your own innate dharmakaya nature of mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: The sparkle of the clear light.
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  SPEAKER_01: You think it refers to a real reality out there somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: You think someone's mad at you or someone loves you
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  SPEAKER_01: or you own this
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  SPEAKER_01: or you do not own that or you want this or you do not want that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Constantly thinking these things You chase and you flee from what you want and don't want.
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  SPEAKER_01: This constant running around exhausts you and drives you crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't bother with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But don't suppress the thoughts either.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't think at each thought this thought is unreal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you believe that thought?
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  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: This won't work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Relax and let them be what they naturally are.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were never anything other than this.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is SOPA, the third word of Garibdurji.
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  SPEAKER_01: Each single thought in its moment arises and vanishes, trackless and naturally free.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to fix it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Accomplish it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or any of these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is this practice?
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  SPEAKER_01: Treat all past thoughts like the trackless path of a bird in the sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: Weren't and aren't anything won't become anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: All present perceptions as clear and dustless space.
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  SPEAKER_01: All future thoughts as water in a mill with its sluice gate closed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shunt aside.
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  SPEAKER_01: The sluice of your water wheel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Words from Guru Rinpoche in the beginning instructions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Put it in neutral.
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  SPEAKER_01: Engine still turning over, ain't going no place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Leave your thoughts be.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what we referred to in song 20 as...
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  SPEAKER_01: This practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: When there is no distinction between appearance and emptiness,
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  SPEAKER_01: then perfect vision is realized.
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  SPEAKER_01: When there is no distinction between dream and the waking state, perfect meditation is realized.
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  SPEAKER_01: When there is no distinction between pleasure and pain, perfect conduct is realized.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pleasure and pain are words, like fear and excitement.
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  SPEAKER_01: How can you tell the difference?
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  SPEAKER_01: Same sensation.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you lay a different set of thoughts on it, as well as liking and disliking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just don't bother to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to refrain from doing that with effort.
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  SPEAKER_01: Doing that takes effort.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is simply a matter of not bothering to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: When there is no distinction between this life and the next,
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  SPEAKER_01: 16th Karmapha's famous last words,
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  SPEAKER_00: nothing happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: When your original existential condition is realized,
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  SPEAKER_01: When there is no distinction between your mind and the sky and
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  SPEAKER_01: that old Mahamudra debate about whether mind is sky
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  SPEAKER_01: or mind is like sky becomes nothing but a giggle.
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  SPEAKER_01: When there is no distinction between your mind and the sky, then the Dharmakaya is realized.
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  SPEAKER_01: When there is no distinction between your own mind and Buddha mind, Then the goal is realized.
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  SPEAKER_01: Short and sweet, song 20.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any questions?
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  SPEAKER_00: Not quite yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's all there is to say really about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just a simple matter of relaxing and stopping defeating yourself by believing
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  SPEAKER_01: the things you think it was a good day or a bad day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did enough stuff or I didn't do enough stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, of all the stuff that you think you're supposed to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Relax.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let it be what it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without reifying that by telling yourself it is what it is, oops, you just believed a thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or telling yourself that you're misperceiving everything, oops, you did it again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Leave it right where it is, it's fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is actually a lack of effort rather than effort that is needed at this point.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if there's still no questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, there are questions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, let me have them.
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  SPEAKER_00: One moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before I go on to the next,
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  SPEAKER_01: because we're going to get into 21,
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  SPEAKER_01: but probably not finish it because it's super long.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk more about what you mean about not bothering about making the thoughts?
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a habit.
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  SPEAKER_01: You obsessively,
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  SPEAKER_01: compulsively pay attention to everything you think,
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  SPEAKER_01: reifying each statement that the little voice in your mind makes.
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  SPEAKER_01: To suppress the voice,
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  SPEAKER_01: as in sine,
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  SPEAKER_01: might be useful temporarily for your blood pressure,
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  SPEAKER_01: but is not a long-term answer because it'll be back It is the nature of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those who are alive,
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  SPEAKER_01: to live,
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  SPEAKER_01: to live is to think,
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  SPEAKER_01: feel, and perceive, to have sensations, to have thoughts, to have feelings.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's only when you bother to do something
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  SPEAKER_01: That doing is an overlay.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a feeling and you overlay liking, not liking, wishing to change, not wishing to change.
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  SPEAKER_01: That overlay is as much entertainment as it is anything else.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you read a book, a storybook, I'm sure you like a nice adventure there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where there is conflict between a couple of characters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're reading romance.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they can't just get together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Things happen that makes it screwy, misunderstandings, blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And by the end of the book, it gets resolved.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe you like a shoot-em-up Western.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a good guy and a bad guy,
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  SPEAKER_01: and they eventually chase each other around a while,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then they shoot him up, and the good guy wins.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe it's those great sci-fi epics you like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whatever kind of storybook you tend to read from time to time,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's some kind of entertaining quest,
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  SPEAKER_01: thing to be accomplished, and the hero accomplishes it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Usually something to do with saving the world in most books,
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  SPEAKER_01: but sometimes to do with falling in love in others.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they fall in love and save the world together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Depends on what you like reading.
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  SPEAKER_01: Me, I like sci-fi when I want a storybook.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like my storybooks as far away from my personal reality as I can get them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So preferably sci-fi about non-humans, non-homo sapiens.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's entertainment.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're doing the same in your own life.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're creating conflict and stories out of the physical sensations you have.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your eyes perceive shape and color.
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  SPEAKER_01: You, according to your karma,
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  SPEAKER_01: to your past experience,
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  SPEAKER_01: name those shapes and colors and having named them like the flowers,
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't like the pile of paperwork over there in the corner that's waiting for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Naming, liking and disliking,
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  SPEAKER_01: and swatting your little hand and refraining from every time You have an urge
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  SPEAKER_01: to reach for or shove away something won't work.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're just creating more karma.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember, I talked about ordinary nundra.
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  SPEAKER_01: You need to understand how karma works and manifests
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  SPEAKER_01: in order to practice this path.
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  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, you cannot create the cause for relaxation into the natural state.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which is actually called enlightenment.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is a completely natural state.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you cannot enter it by striving, stressing, working hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: All that gets you is a little bit better around here.
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  SPEAKER_01: By practicing generosity you get rich.
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  SPEAKER_01: By practicing patience, your patience increases and less people get mad at you.
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  SPEAKER_01: By practicing morality, you become more likable.
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  SPEAKER_01: You see the six parameters?
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  SPEAKER_01: They help you around here.
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  SPEAKER_01: You get benefits from practicing them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's good because You need to have a fully human life,
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  SPEAKER_01: which you can only get
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  SPEAKER_01: when you've created enough Gawa
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  SPEAKER_01: for it to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, you're going to end up with too much hardship to practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you haven't created the Gawa and the cause,
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  SPEAKER_01: to have full human opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hardship, when it gets beyond the certain point,
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  SPEAKER_01: becomes seriously distracting.
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  SPEAKER_01: People who are currently in a war zone,
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  SPEAKER_01: unless their practice is incredibly advanced,
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  SPEAKER_01: unless they are extremely skilled at it,
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  SPEAKER_01: Are not having an opportunity to practice right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any of the Russian students who are currently on the lam due
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  SPEAKER_01: to having been outspoken,
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  SPEAKER_01: they're not having a lot of opportunity to relax into practice right now
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  SPEAKER_01: because survival is up.
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  SPEAKER_01: You might survive this, you might not.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a time of stress.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is actually a lack of stress that permits practice of Zogchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is why in the beginning the recommendation is to those who are young
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  SPEAKER_01: and able
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  SPEAKER_01: to do so without full lifetime commitments to children,
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  SPEAKER_01: to leave your home and birth family and go walkabout.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go wander about and practice because families are stressful, aren't they?
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  SPEAKER_00: How much do you enjoy
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  SPEAKER_01: Christmas now as an adult when the flock descends upon you
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  SPEAKER_01: and trashes your place and wants everything?
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  SPEAKER_01: How much did you enjoy it as a child?
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  SPEAKER_01: Some differences here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Families, you need them as a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: But by the time you're an adult, they usually tend to increase your stress levels.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, don't they?
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you're ripe,
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  SPEAKER_01: when you're of an age that you no longer need your family to look after you,
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  SPEAKER_01: not somewhere in between 13 and 25, depending on the person,
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  SPEAKER_01: Go walkabout before you create your own family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Get away for a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's part of the instructions.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not that you must do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you didn't do it and now you're already having your own family and it's not
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  SPEAKER_01: the time for it, don't worry about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is helpful.
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  SPEAKER_01: But not required.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the extraordinary Nundro,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is required for a few things, but not for Dzogchen and not for most things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is
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  SPEAKER_01: important to thin air Out your stressors where easy and possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you will notice how you're making them up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your life is peaceful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's even during lockdown.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't even need to leave your house for anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Only you're doom scrolling and stressed up the yin yang.
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  SPEAKER_01: You need to release the stress.
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  SPEAKER_01: In order to actually practice this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because stress at some point is simply your entertainment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_00: A couple of questions about death and rebirth in relation to
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  SPEAKER_00: today's teachings.
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  SPEAKER_00: How does dying and being reborn happen for a practitioner of Dzogchen?
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where to rest in the bardo of dying and becoming?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: At night you go to sleep.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the morning you wake up.
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  SPEAKER_01: During the night there were experiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this practice there is no difference
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  SPEAKER_01: No edge between sleeping and waking.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just another set of the same experiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's an analogy for life and death.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is no death.
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  SPEAKER_01: No birth.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: I
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  SPEAKER_01: was about to say no entity, but that's not exactly true.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is
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  SPEAKER_01: gathering, clumping where needed.
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  SPEAKER_01: One doesn't bother much with volition.
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  SPEAKER_01: Accept playfully there.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you think that life and death are really real and you are worried about
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  SPEAKER_01: the bardo,
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  SPEAKER_00: this practice isn't for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go back a few steps.
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  SPEAKER_01: Start working effortfully on developing and stabilizing treksha.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is for After that, after you did that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why we've taught the Flight of Garuda over a couple of years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Each chapter has been a practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: You do the practice over the next month.
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  SPEAKER_01: You then might be ready for the next chapter.
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  SPEAKER_01: So slowly it has taken you from The beginning chapters of the introduction to
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  SPEAKER_01: the nature of mind to through working with thoughts and working with emotions
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  SPEAKER_01: and
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  SPEAKER_01: through working with perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: And once that is accomplished, you rest easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just rest easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: This doesn't mean stop caring for your body, stop feeding it, washing it,
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  SPEAKER_01: doing what it needs.
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  SPEAKER_01: This doesn't mean you don't interact with phenomena.
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  SPEAKER_01: It means you let go of your investment in the outcome of your interactions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're so invested in getting the practice right so it'll work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aside from Lamar, are we there yet?
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  SPEAKER_01: Am I doing it right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is the second most common question.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are you afraid of
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: if you do it wrong?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: That you'll get something you don't like?
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  SPEAKER_01: Waste time?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's a good idea to follow the instructions because, yes, you can have an oopsie.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I speak from vast experience of
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: oopsie-ing throughout the past 50 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just keep practicing.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Any more questions?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm only answering in light of this one.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Question here,
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: what about the taste that when letting go of overlays in stories,
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: things in perception seem random, pointless, or not in enlightened patterns?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: But that's a story.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: They seem, you think, those thoughts let go of that too.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Who?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: If I say something that I fear may hurt another, I regret it and then say sorry?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like grabbing a new thought that redefines the previous thought?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you said something and then you had a thought, oh dear, that might
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Or that wasn't what I meant to say now that I hear it.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so you say, oops, sorry about that.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't what I meant to say.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is interacting with phenomena
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: if done without fear and hope.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is just reifying a pattern if done with fear and hope.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's what you're trying to get out of everything that is the issue.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're always trying to get something out of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Out of your practice, out of your life, out of your conversations.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe what you want to get is simply to please others.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or to appear to be a good person.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're still trying to get something out of it.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Let go.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: If you are practicing at this level, non-meditation,
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: stop and let go.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Of even the idea of practice.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: But if you do not feel
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: deep inside yourself at all times and on all occasions,
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: no distinction between your mind and the sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: No distinction between your own mind and Buddha mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: If this isn't how it feels to you in each and every moment,
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  SPEAKER_01: then keep practicing.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: But do it gently,
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: lightly,
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: and relaxedly.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Any other questions on this?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Please also talk about how to overcome the pattern of believing in only this life as
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: a body, mind, energy continuum.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: The same way you overcome any belief, working with thoughts.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Only this life?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Have you never met a baby?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's obviously somebody in there when you get them.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: How'd they get to be like that?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Do you not have any of your past life memories?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're not exactly yours.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: You were somebody else then.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: And there's incoming and outgoing of energies in every life.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you're not exactly an entity.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: But you can still remember it.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like remembering your childhood.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was extremely complex with what I was thinking,
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: oh, within a few days after birth, if not during.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: I remember it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Always have.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: There are many intense occurrences in my very early childhood of which I remember quite clearly.
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  If that's what's stuck, it's probably stuck due to some odd karma or the way you were raised.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: If it's an odd karma, try a Vajrasattva retreat.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: That usually gets at least Basically, a lot of the odd karma's out.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: If it's just the way you were raised,
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: what to do about that.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: But you might want to see where that belief came from, where you got it.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who gave it to you?
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Where'd you pick it up?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: From which book?
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or person or culture.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's about what I can give that person.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Being in the nature of mind, can it be said to be an ordinary state?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Utterly ordinary.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: If it's, oh, wow.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oops.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not the ordinary, ordinary state.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the state that most people call ordinary in
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: that it is consistently consumed by running and chasing.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Nonetheless, it feels ordinary from inside, outside.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Never mind, that wasn't the right word anyway, but you know what I mean.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned paperwork earlier.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk about how the paperwork is approached and the use of concepts
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: while resting in traction?
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I approach the paperwork when I feel like it.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: When the doing of it Seems to be the flow or when it's due.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: I try not to have that not happen.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's a trying.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I trip.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Try to deal with the paperwork before it's due by finding the space where the flow
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: of the paperwork is inherent.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then there are thoughts.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: And you click a box or you write a phrase or a sentence, but then they're gone.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: You don't cling to it.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes my incoming overfills and I get aversion to it, which has happened.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: All you can do when you trip over something like that is laugh at yourself.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same way you train cats not to get up on the counter and steal the butter.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, get yourself a butterkeeper.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's easier.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: But if you shoot a cat with a water pistol every time it does that,
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: it learns quickly to do that when you're not around, not when you are.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: They're smart.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: But if instead,
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: every time you see the cat on the counter,
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: you point at it and laugh hysterically,
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: The cat's going to think it's doing something stupid embarrassing.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Cats hate being embarrassed.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: So do you.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: So every time you have an oops and you find you've worked yourself up into an aversion, laugh.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: Laugh at yourself.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's the only thing that will loosen the tightness of an aversion is laughing
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: at yourself for having that.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then go on with your practice.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Since all is, is, and isn't aren't, there is no chapter 10, but you can't say it isn't.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: There is no end, no fruition, no path.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: And yet there is.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Both of those, you see,
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: are stories.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: The entire Dharma
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: is a story.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And even the jewel ornament of the Dharma is no more real than any of these.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: How shall I take this?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: How shall I see this?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you answer, it's a story.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot make there be no stories.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: What you can do is recognize the stories for what they are.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: They are thoughts, utterly lacking in both substance and duration.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: As such.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: So what?
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: They're gone.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: You'll make another one.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's gone too.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have to agree.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Loosely, loosely, no grabbing.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Keep walking.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Don't grab anything on the path.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: When feeling intense emotions like sadness,
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: I find witnessing and letting go of it makes it go away,
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: but it seems as if it is being buried.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: How can I find middle ground?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: You don't like sadness.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's your oops.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Music.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Do you like sad songs sometimes?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Sad ballads where everybody dies in the end?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the fun fiddle dance and music is great.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: But come on, you like some of the sad songs too.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: And the songs of glory.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to the music you've chosen to like.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to find that it's not usually all upbeat.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you, and it invokes an emotion.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you listen to that?
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sadness.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Witnessing the emotion, yes, it will disappear.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: That is not the instructions in chapters 12 and 13.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Not to simply witness while you continue to wait for it to go away.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: The instructions there,
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: and we've been over this,
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: although I also teach it as a retreat called Working with Emotions,
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: simply because some people need more than the short version,
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: so we do it as a long version.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's an ongoing practice group to help you get skillful at it.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Guys, you can't do working with perceptions until you're skillful at working with emotions.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: It won't work.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Why waste your time and your 10 days off work to do it
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: when it's not going to benefit you?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Pick a retreat that'll work for you.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: When sadness
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: as an emotion occurs,
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: there is the thoughts of the things you are sad about.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: I am sad that I can no longer climb up and ride on top of the bus with the teenagers.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just picked a random one.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: There is a music to that feeling.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like liking the bitter taste of coffee.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Or Kerala.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's a vegetable.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Accept the sensation.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to make it go away.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Don't shove.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Don't just witness, accept.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Don't try to not be sad about that,
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: whatever your that was.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Accept the feeling sadness goes with impermanence.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do you understand?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Don't grab the happy and shove the sad.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's Karim, path of accomplishment.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to get somewhere.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay to be sad.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Not so that it will go away.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: It might be permanent.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's an emotion.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: Feel it.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: No shove.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking to see if we should go on or if we need to stay with 10 until it goes in.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse me.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Let me go a little longer on 10.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: 11 is not going to make sense because it sounds like it's telling you to do something.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's giving you a story.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let's stay without the story for a few more minutes.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Were there any more questions?
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first, we're on Chapter 20, yes?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: 20,
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Just to...
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: One of the questions we have is when we stabilize traction,
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: do we recognize all stories at all times or does recognition come and go too?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: The idea of recognition,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: the thinking recognition where you recognize by thought certainly comes and goes.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Law of gravity.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: In all your daily doings, you recognize gravity.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's how you put things down.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: You assume they're going to stay where you put them if you put them on a smooth level surface.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're recognizing gravity.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're not thinking about gravity.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Nary at all.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: But every move you make and every, I mean, it's an assumption of gravity.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's the recognition that doesn't go.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: That recognition takes time.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: As a toddler, as a baby, you learned about gravity.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: You weren't born automatically knowing about gravity,
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: unless in your last life you were on a planet.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: Some kids have it easier, some jump off the roof more times than others.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because they assume they can fly.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, as an adult, or getting on for adult, you don't think about gravity much, if ever.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: And yet, I mean, yes,
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: if you're an architect or an engineer,
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: you have to think about it, but for most people,
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Everything you do is in the awareness of gravity.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's the recognition we're talking about.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: That stabilizes.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: But it takes a lot of time.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that stability is not something you acquire.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: But is it self something you recognize?
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: That it was always there from the very beginning,
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: rather than it had a beginning, I have obtained it and now it stays.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: That recognition is an of course it was.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Capiche?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: Next.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Can you speak more about fear?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Does the emotion of fear cause the external fears and dangerous obstacles we face?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: What makes something dangerous for you?
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're caused.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Your sensations arise due to your karma.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Someday,
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: someone will find me one of those old crank turn music boxes with
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: a little rubber belt with the pips on it that pluck the harp as you turn the crank.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: As the crank of time turns,
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: your karma
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: plays out in the order of Strongest and most recent first.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Next, strongest and most recent next.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't mean that the karma of this life is gonna play out really fast
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: because you got a lot of really strong karma from when you were a mass murderer.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you were.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: We all were at some point.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: Time is infinite.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Been, no matter what you think of, been there, done that.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: So in this life,
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: you really want to try to make some good,
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: strong Gawa,
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: and then so that you won't fuck it up if you get pissed off,
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: quickly offer it to the universe.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to hoard it.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: If your house burns down, your hoard of possessions burns down.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you've given everything away,
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: Many people will help you with new possessions.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: Not sure that's a good analogy, but it's the best I could come up with in the moment.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Fear arises as an interpretation of sensations.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: Some people have a habit of being fearful.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: And actually are so uncomfortable with their own anger that they turn it into a fear.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because fear is for them, as a child, a more acceptable emotion than anger.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know how some people,
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: you know, when they want to get at you, say, go away, you're frightening me.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're actually pissed and they won't.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to chase you away.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: But they accuse you of frightening them.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: In order to, this may not be your experience.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's more an Afro-American guy experience in America.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: But fear is for some people a default setting to avoid anger,
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: just as anger for some people is a default setting to avoid fear.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: They're actually in the same category, fear and anger.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: They flip back and forth.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're rarely afraid of something that doesn't piss you off a little bit,
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: whether you acknowledge that or not.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you're rarely pissed off at something that didn't scare you, at least a little bit.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Am I answering your questions about fear?
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Would you read me that question again if you have
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: it?
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: One moment.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Can you speak more about fear?
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: Does the emotion of fear cause the external fears and dangerous obstacles we face?
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, you interpret those as dangerous obstacles, whereas I might interpret them as much fun.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: I used to head for war zones because I thought they were much fun when I was
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: a little kid, like, you know, teenager and early 20s.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose at that age I would have gone straight for the Ukraine because it was the nearest war.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: I thought danger was fun.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not everyone does.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: You have a habit of how you take things and fear appears to be a habit.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of suppressing the fear or trying to figure out
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: if things are really dangerous,
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: understand that for some danger does not equate fear.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: It equates excitement.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is why people often do dangerous things for fun.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's a habitual story you tell yourself.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: The sensations arise, tactile, visual, audio.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's your interpretation that they're dangerous, which causes you to feel fear.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's a habitual interpretation.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's yours.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: All our stuff is ours.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: My stuff is mine.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_01: I interpret that I go fizz if I over-socialize.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's an interpretation of mine,
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: but it still causes me to feel a great deal of discomfort after the fifth guest in
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: a week.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: The trick is to just sit there and be uncomfortable.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe take a nap if you feel tired.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: Not grab or shove.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: If the mind does what it does, do we need to create the story that we are Buddha?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this what generation stage is?
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  SPEAKER_00: Hell no.
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  SPEAKER_01: Generation stage, no.
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  SPEAKER_01: Generation, you create the story that you want to be Buddha.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you strive for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Krim, generation stage.
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  SPEAKER_01: You love Buddha.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to be Buddha.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to be closer to Buddha.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to talk to Buddha.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: You want to hug Buddha.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's generation stage.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not that you also do in generation stage recognize and have the story
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  SPEAKER_01: that you are Buddha,
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  SPEAKER_01: but that combines in generation stage with the story that you really are,
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: but you haven't actualized that yet,
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: or you haven't quite gotten to be harmonious with that yet,
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  SPEAKER_01: so you still have stuff you have to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Striving.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: Generating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Krim Generation Stage.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: Could you mention something about confidence in the view?
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, gravity.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got confident in gravity by your own experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: You will only gain confidence in the view by your own experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, you need to notice that it is still there frequently.
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  SPEAKER_01: Keep noticing that.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: Practice is called gum.
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  SPEAKER_01: Until you're absolutely
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  SPEAKER_00: sure that it never
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  SPEAKER_01: ever moves.
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  SPEAKER_01: That certainty cannot be rushed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cannot be pretended to in thought.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: It is a certainty not in thought where most certainty lives, like a body memory.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know how to do that.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I shall stand up, but I didn't think how.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think about how I will interact with gravity to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: How I will balance my feet and straighten my knees and lean and sort of stand and press.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your analogy
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  SPEAKER_01: is your certainty of gravity, which is not a fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you have to experience
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  SPEAKER_01: tawa
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  SPEAKER_01: repeatedly until you're absolutely sure
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  SPEAKER_01: that there is never a moment under even the greatest duress when it's not present.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just do that.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's a doing.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: It requires effort.
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  SPEAKER_01: First you decide, I will do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you,
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  SPEAKER_01: using mindfulness,
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  SPEAKER_01: perform the effort of repeatedly doing that
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  SPEAKER_01: until such time as it becomes automatic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like how you can't look at a street sign without reading it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your reading is automatic after many, many years of practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that same automaticity of looking at mind arises, looking at Tawa, noticing Tawa.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from that comes the certainty.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: The certainty comes on its own,
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: but you perform the action that opens the door for it,
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_01: but you cannot grab the certainty.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: You just keep noticing until the certainty occurs.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: As it occurs,
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  SPEAKER_01: it is not only certain that it is always Tawa now and in the future,
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: But it is also certain that it always was Tawa.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the passage of time,
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  SPEAKER_01: one really truly sees
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: what changes and what doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can recognize that I am conditioned But I also see that I remain distracted
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  SPEAKER_00: on some deeper level.
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  SPEAKER_00: What should I do?
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  SPEAKER_00: Gum.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you can.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tantra.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you can't.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can ask further, but as you phrased your question, that's my answer for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk about catching on the duality when relaxing into the view,
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  SPEAKER_00: experiencing the letting go lasting a bit longer and then yanking on the play
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_00: that seems separate?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know what he's talking about.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or she.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, your duality is in or out of the view.
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  SPEAKER_01: You think it's separate.
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  SPEAKER_01: You think sometimes you're not in the view.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you see, your attention is moving.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: That which is moving won't hold still.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: That which is moving is within the time-space continuum.
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  SPEAKER_01: Paying attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you pay attention to this.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you pay attention to that.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: It is subject to impermanence.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is impermanent.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is within the time-space continuum.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes you pay attention to tawa longer and sometimes
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: then you lose your attention's focus on tawa and it goes elsewhere.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you manage to open your attention so that it perceives both phenomena
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: and dawah together, the moving and the stillness.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then sometimes something catches your attention,
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  SPEAKER_01: a thought, a sound, a sensation, a feeling, and it immediately focuses on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what you're calling distraction.
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  SPEAKER_01: You cannot stabilize your attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is the nature of attention,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is what particular phenomena moving you are paying attention to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your attention is a phenomena.
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  SPEAKER_01: It moves, it comes and goes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you pay attention, sometimes you don't.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: In the beginning,
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: we learn to pay attention,
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  SPEAKER_01: even though it's moving, and we know it's moving, and we know we can't keep it.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: We pay attention to the stillness, that's sine, resting in stillness.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: Then in Mahamudra,
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: but not in Maha'ati,
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: we learn Or spend quite a long time noticing what moves and what doesn't.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: That is an incredible valuable stage that doesn't happen until later during Ruchen's
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: in Maha'ati, Dzogchen.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: It does in Dzogchen, Mahamudra.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's early on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So difference in order of operation.
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  SPEAKER_01: This recognition of what moves and what doesn't
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  SPEAKER_01: is very, very important in Mahamudra.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_01: Later in Dzogchen,
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  SPEAKER_01: after you have driven yourself nuts trying to stabilize your attention
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: or some other aspect of the moving,
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: you generally Depending on how that's stuck,
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: get taught a practice that will help you
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_01: in understanding and letting go of
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_01: the movement.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's a variety.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: There are all the different ruchens.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the stuff that Noor Bu Rinpoche taught is ruchens.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's Where you learn, discover that you're never going to stabilize your attention.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: However, by returning repeatedly without grasping on your attention again and again in Gom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now we're back in Dzogchen.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: We left to go of Dzogchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, long time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Noticing Tawa and letting go.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to grab it.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to hold your attention on it.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: You relax into attention on it and let the time period expand to set up a pattern
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: for the day in your first session.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: In your short sessions during the day, your 30-second minute sessions,
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: you again relax into it.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: Deepening your approach to tawa.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: But then in your little sessions, you just check.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's still there.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's still there.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: Going about your stuff.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's still there.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's still there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Until the certainty happens.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: Once the certainty happens and there is a,
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: The sensation of stability in your meditation,
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: once that has occurred, and only once that has occurred,
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_01: it moves into not doing.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's chapter 10,
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: the not doing of meditation,
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: the non-meditation,
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: which is the last of the Mahamudra teachings In Dzogchen we teach it early
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_01: so you know about it, but you generally lack the skill to truly eat it early.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: So you spend the time working with Gama until SOPA is obvious.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then you relax into non-meditation.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody in Dzogchen tries relaxing into non-meditation too early and stops meditating.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_01: And after a while it wears off.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oops.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: That hurts.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Really.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: What if my story tells me I don't need to practice Dharma anymore,
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: then I recognize it as a story.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_00: What do I do next?
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it as a story.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do what it said.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's a washing machine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a Maytag.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to do what the Maytag says.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Have I told you guys about the Maytag?
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: My mom went back to college after I decided to do other things with the college so
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: that I didn't need her to put me through college.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: So she put herself through college because she was the one who always wanted to go to college.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't get into the colleges I wanted because they weren't doing girls yet.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_01: So she became a therapist.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_01: And as the new person when she got hired in the,
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's a crisis inpatient thing where they keep people for the three-day hold.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: There was an old woman who was a repeat flyer,
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: frequent flyer,
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: frequently in there because she'd lit the house on fire and run naked in the street
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: and done all these things.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: She was hearing voices.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, her washing machine was talking to her.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_01: And all the therapists tried to help her come to see that those were hallucinations
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_01: and know her washing machine was not talking to her.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it never worked.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: She'd say, oh, yes, yes, and then she'd be back.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_01: So mom being the newbie got handed the one nobody wanted because nobody could fix.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so mom says, yes, tell me what's happening.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: And oh, you know, my washing machine is talking to me and it told me to do this.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I did.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_01: And my family got all upset.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm back here.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: She said, well, what kind of washing machine do you have?
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_01: She said, I have a Maytag.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: My mom, you have a Maytag?
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're taking advice from a Maytag?
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean,
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: if it was a Kenmore or a Westinghouse,
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'd understand,
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: but everybody knows that Maytags are the stupidest washing machines ever made.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_01: And Mom went on in that vein,
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: laughing and saying how silly it was that anyone would listen to a Maytag,
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: since it wasn't a Kenmore or a Westinghouse or any of the other smarter brands,
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: and everybody knew all Maytags were idiots.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then the session was over and the woman's three-day hold ended and she went home
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_00: and didn't come back.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: When she came in for outpatient therapy, Ruth got her, my mom.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_01: And mom was like, how you doing?
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Honey, you'll never believe what that idiot of a washing machine tried to tell me
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_01: to do this time.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I said, well, did you do it?
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Mom asked.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: She said, no, of course not.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's a Maytag.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Maytag.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to do what the Maytag tells you.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay if it talks to you.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that the washing machine is talking to you is not the problem.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that you're listening to it.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Next.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't working with thought,
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: working with emotions,
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: and working with perceptions ultimately the same kind of work or non-work?
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: For those who like it broke down like that, we have done so.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you...
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Don't need it broken down into step one, step two, and step three.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Then that's fine too.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_01: So many of the methods.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Destroying reality with Hungs.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Visualizing white R's.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_01: All of these methods are simply if you need them,
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: not if you don't.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: There are Chick Chawas.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Rinpoche and I saw one once.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: We were quite amazed.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: She heard the teachings.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_01: She got the teachings.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: He was completely satisfied.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Once in,
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_01: 40 to 50 years of me following him around,
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: translating all over the world, we saw one.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Ripe upon hearing, Chik Chawa.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we know they exist.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Before we saw one, we thought they were mythical like unicorns.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_01: May have existed once upon a time,
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_01: but certainly weren't around and weren't anymore around here now.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then we saw that they could exist.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Not common though.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_00: Could you please comment about distraction?
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Why do I prefer to be distracted even if I have experience of contemplation and relaxation?
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Depends on.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Some of us like to be distracted because we have glimpsed enlightenment.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it scared the shit out of us.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a reason that often advanced practitioners
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: or long-term practitioners will suddenly grab on to a vast amount of distraction.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_01: The other reason is habit.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_01: You've been distracting yourself since beginningless time, eons upon eons upon eons.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: With things that make noise and flashlights, you have a habit of paying attention to that.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like any habit, it will tend to perpetuate itself.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell us whether to focus the attention on the screen of the mind where
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_00: the images of the thoughts are seen, and is that between the eyes?
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Is that correct?
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, it is not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although there is a chakra here in the forehead,
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_01: which is the chakra of form and phenomena, the images...
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: The mind's eye,
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_01: where the images are projected,
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: is in the mind, and the mind is not between your eyes.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's bigger than that.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Elsewise, how could you imagine a galaxy?
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: And you can.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Or the night sky.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: You ever lie on your back in the grass under the night sky and look up at the stars?
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine that sky.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_01: How can you do that?
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_01: If, I mean, that's not gonna fit here.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's a big picture.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not a screen.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I think you have misunderstood
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: the pointing out
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: In the Inner Mind Ruxian Retreat,
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: rather strongly and should listen to that again and see if you can understand
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: a little bit more.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Not a screen, not between your eyes.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the best I can say for you here.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Do you see karma attributing to falling off the spiritual path and laziness
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_00: in everyday life activities?
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: All doings create karma.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_01: All thoughts,
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_01: feelings,
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: and perceptions create karma,
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_01: but for karma to be full strength, it needs to be complete.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, it needs to have three components.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_01: The motivation, the why you did that.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_01: The actual action of the doing.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say the action of the doing was stopping your practice.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: The reason you did it was because you just didn't want to and you felt lazy.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing, so these are two pieces.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then the actual thing you did it to is your practice.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you get a third piece.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: If you have the three pieces,
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_01: motivation, action,
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  SPEAKER_01: and object,
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  SPEAKER_01: depending on the strength of each one of those will depend on how strong
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  SPEAKER_01: the karma is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the doing wasn't that strong.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just didn't do something.
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  SPEAKER_01: The motivation was laziness.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's moderately troublesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: It will simply make you lazier as a result in general, especially if you went that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then practice is pretty powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you've got one powerful aspect in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd say that would cause you a middling bit of karma.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next, is Trekshid more skillful than performing the four activities in terms
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  SPEAKER_00: of benefiting sentient beings?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, if you're good at it.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, if you're not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guys, it's a path.
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  SPEAKER_01: You enter the path from where you are, not where you're trying to get to.
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  SPEAKER_01: So by honestly looking at yourself and seeing where you are right in this moment,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's what determines which practice is suitable.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the one that goes from this moment towards enlightenment,
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  SPEAKER_01: not the one that goes from last Tuesday or next year.
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  SPEAKER_01: So where are you right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you see where you are right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Future going to happen?
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  SPEAKER_01: You going to do it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, go for the four immeasurables.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you see?
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  SPEAKER_01: You choose in the moment, which is...
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  SPEAKER_01: The appropriate practice for the moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: You always do what you can, not what you can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there will be times when you just don't feel treachery.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there will be times when you just don't feel any action
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  SPEAKER_01: to benefit sentient beings occurring that would really be a benefit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Momentary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Momentary, momentary.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you have actually
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  SPEAKER_01: accessed the flow of not doing,
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  SPEAKER_01: whichever practice or non-practice occurs in that moment is the correct one.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you have not, you'll have to take your best guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_00: We may be running low on the relevant ones.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we think of time, I'm sorry, we think of time as past, present, and future.
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  SPEAKER_00: If all moments are occurring in parallel, what methods increase awareness of this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Gum.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tincture.
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  SPEAKER_01: All methods, including tantras, increase awareness of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: For it, parallel is maybe not the right word,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I know what you're pointing at, and that's yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Time-space continuum of phenomena arises in mind and dissolves in mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: It has never been anything other than mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's not your mind, as in you own it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it is your mind, as in it owns you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're to,
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  SPEAKER_01: at this point,
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  SPEAKER_01: about an hour and a half, and I was hesitant to start the next chapter.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want you guys to have time with this one.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is really profound.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you, here's what I want you to remember, here's your take home.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you sustain this practice unwaveringly from the beginning
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  SPEAKER_01: until you abandon yourself totally in complete freedom,
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  SPEAKER_01: there will be no stirring from the supreme truth and no departure from the here
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  SPEAKER_01: and now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what is this practice?
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't grab and don't shove at your thoughts, feelings, and perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: A perception is a clump of sensation mixed with thought assessment of the sensation
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  SPEAKER_01: and feeling about the thought sensation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sensation of the person of the sensation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Leave it be until the next session of Flight of Garuda.
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  SPEAKER_01: Try not suppressing thoughts and feelings
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  SPEAKER_01: and not grasping thoughts and feelings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sit, walk, talk, laugh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do what you're going to do while
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  SPEAKER_01: allowing
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  SPEAKER_01: thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_01: feelings, and sensations to arise and vanish as they will.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without suppressing them or grasping them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you were to have your hand on a hot surface of the stove,
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  SPEAKER_01: to not jerk your hand away
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  SPEAKER_01: would be over complexing things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even though it is a sensation of cars moving towards you or an assessment
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  SPEAKER_01: of perception,
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  SPEAKER_01: seen with the eyes, you still look both ways before crossing the street.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just don't be stepping out in front of any trucks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Somebody tried that in Nepal on these practices.
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  SPEAKER_01: It didn't go well for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there is no doing in the not grabbing.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is no refraining.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is no grasping.
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  SPEAKER_01: Last bit to see if there's a question on this and then we're gonna close and we're
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  SPEAKER_01: on 21 next time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just making sure they've got the take-home.
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  SPEAKER_00: No newer questions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay then.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for joining me for Exploring this most profound text.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go, Pa, Shoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: May all beings be free.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are complete for today.