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Why Folklore & Horror Tropes Persevere | Capítulo 289 · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: Obsession this girl nikki where.
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  Speaker 2: Are all their parents first of all actually yeah all
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  Speaker 2: of their parents we know bear like he it seems
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  Speaker 2: like he has he only had his grandmother and his
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  Speaker 2: grandmother passed away like that's how the movie starts right
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  Speaker 2: but the rest of them where are your parents.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and with the nikki character there seems to be
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  Speaker 1: confusion about like whether she has a good relationship with
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  Speaker 1: her dad whether he's sick whether he's not sick whether
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  Speaker 1: she's lying about him having cancer or not but really
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  Speaker 1: it's like these youth are all wrapped up in each
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  Speaker 1: other yeah obsessed with each other obsessed with each other
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  Speaker 1: so like there's like nobody else in the world that
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  Speaker 1: exists and nikki is obsessed with bear because of the
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  Speaker 1: wishing willow that he snaps and he casts a spell
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  Speaker 1: on her so she's obsessed without her consent yeah she's
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  Speaker 1: made to be obsessed which destroys her and everyone around
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  Speaker 1: her yes but he is obsessed with her to begin
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  Speaker 1: with which is why he makes that wish yeah great
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  Speaker 1: movie yeah really good movie.
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  Speaker 3: Radio Hola, hola, Locamores. I'm Diosa.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Mala.
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  Speaker 3: You're listening to Locatora Radio.
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  Speaker 1: A radiophonic novella.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just an extra way of saying a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We're very in theme this week, this month.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, it's October. Latino Heritage Month has come to an end.
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel?
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  Speaker 1: Scared. It's spoopy season. It's scary out there. It's an
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  Speaker 1: election year. AI is taking over the world. And it's Halloween,
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  Speaker 1: so there's monsters and creatures and ghouls and goblins roaming
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  Speaker 1: the streets. I just had midterms. Yes. Our season is
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  Speaker 1: almost coming to an end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot to be excited about, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot to be scared of.
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  Speaker 3: A lot to be scared of.
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  Speaker 2: I took the Metro to the studio today, which I
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  Speaker 2: often do. And right before I was going to get off,
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  Speaker 2: the second to last stop, a man got on the
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  Speaker 2: The same car that I was on, the train, and
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  Speaker 2: he was wearing a clown mask.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Like full clown mask, green hair, like black eyes, clown makeup.
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  Speaker 3: On the lips.
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  Speaker 2: And I've never shared this on the podcast, or I
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  Speaker 2: don't even think I've told you this, but I'm actually
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  Speaker 2: very afraid of clowns.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do watch.
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  Speaker 3: I have watched it. I think I'm a little better
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  Speaker 3: about it now, but in person, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Did you watch it for like exposure therapy?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Did it help? Sort of.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I still like watch it and I have
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  Speaker 2: like my hand over my eyes and like I'll close
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  Speaker 2: my eyes during certain sections, certain parts of the film.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm afraid of clowns. And so I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? We're just going to sit here. I'm
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  Speaker 2: about to get off. It's going to be okay.
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  Speaker 3: Disimula. And I did. And I got off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it was okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's nightmare fuel. Yeah. Because it was early this morning.
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  Speaker 3: It was in the morning. And I get it. It's Halloween.
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  Speaker 3: But because it's the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We're on the train. I'm like, you're not driving in
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  Speaker 3: your car by yourself. Right. There are other people around you.
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  Speaker 2: And I do love that about Halloween in particular in
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  Speaker 2: LA when you're driving.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Either on Halloween or the days leading up to it,
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  Speaker 2: you see people in their costumes driving on the freeway.
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  Speaker 3: And it's pretty funny.
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  Speaker 1: That's fun.
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  Speaker 3: It's really fun to see. It's quirky. It's whimsical. It's lovely.
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  Speaker 2: But to see someone wearing a mask in public on
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  Speaker 2: a train. Mm-hmm. Is a little unnerving for me personally.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like two weeks out from Halloween. Like we're
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  Speaker 1: not quite there yet. We're not that close yet. That's unnerving.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing is like someone wearing a very scary
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  Speaker 1: costume at any time during the year except the week
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  Speaker 1: leading up to Halloween. is really unnerving yes it's unsettling
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  Speaker 1: yes but then once we okay we know we're approaching
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  Speaker 1: we're five days out from halloween no matter what anybody
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  Speaker 1: is wearing it's like you're you're not so disarmed right we're.
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  Speaker 2: A little desensitized to it as we approach as we
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  Speaker 2: get closer to the 31st it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Time and place yes yeah it is.
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  Speaker 2: About time and place and today this morning on the
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  Speaker 2: train was not the time and place.
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  Speaker 1: That's really scary i'm so sorry i know through that.
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  Speaker 3: I know And I'm such we both are like such
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  Speaker 3: a metro advocates. And I'm like, it's fine. We have
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  Speaker 3: to take it more like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I was terrified today.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I will continue to write it and it'll be fine.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing is like in our metro advocacy. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like I'm never going to sit here and say like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the metro is can't be scary sometimes. Right. Oh, it
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  Speaker 1: can be.
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  Speaker 3: It can be.
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  Speaker 1: I've definitely had some scary encounters in the metro that
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  Speaker 1: are not costume related at all. They're just behavioral issues. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That can be like really terrifying.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There are larger systemic issues that play here.
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  Speaker 3: And we know that. And that's why we still advocate
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  Speaker 3: for the metro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Public transpo.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: For public transpo specifically. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: We love public transportation.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we do.
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  Speaker 1: Socialism will win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. One day.
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  Speaker 3: I hope in our lifetime, but one day.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. One day. So, yes, it's Halloween, our favorite time
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  Speaker 1: of year. I love Halloween. You love Halloween.
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  Speaker 3: I love Halloween. I love Halloween, but I can never
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  Speaker 3: follow through with a costume.
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  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You've had some incredible costumes.
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  Speaker 3: Remember Yzma? I think I peaked at Yzma. It was hard.
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  Speaker 2: Because then the pandemic happened. So I did a little
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  Speaker 2: costume at home. And then the year after that, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was still kind of pandemic. We were kind
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  Speaker 2: of out, kind of not. And so, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: I have not really committed like with time and effort
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  Speaker 2: and crafting since Yzma. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, but last year, you were a really great Aunt
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  Speaker 1: Gladys from Weapons. You were, like, sexy Aunt Gladys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If Aunt Gladys had actually, like.
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  Speaker 2: sucked all the youth and beauty out of those children
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  Speaker 2: that was me it was the end result.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah if aunt gladys like was a baddie and locked
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  Speaker 1: in yeah yeah and i think you killed that you
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  Speaker 1: slayed aunt gladys i love that costume.
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  Speaker 2: What was horrifying about it is that i had everything
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  Speaker 2: in my closet like yeah everything to make that possible.
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  Speaker 1: A natural gladys you were.
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  Speaker 3: So sexy last year thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tease tease us as to like what you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be this year or is it a surprise.
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  Speaker 3: Can we get a little hint?
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  Speaker 1: Well, definitely it's going to be another couple's costume. So
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  Speaker 1: two years ago, we were Nacho Libre and Encarnacion.
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  Speaker 3: Love it. That was really good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That was your soft launch.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: That was your soft launch of your partner.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was. It was a not so soft, soft launch. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We went to a drag show at Bar Lubitsch in
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  Speaker 1: West Hollywood and For Halloween in our Nacho Libre Encarnacion costumes.
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  Speaker 1: And there happened to be like a costume contest. And
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  Speaker 1: by audience applause, we won. And it was like our
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  Speaker 1: very first Halloween. So we felt like very like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: we are so good at this. Look at us. Look
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  Speaker 1: at us. And then last year I was.
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  Speaker 1: Slave princess leia and he was han solo but he
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  Speaker 1: it was a twist he was han cholo right right
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  Speaker 1: right yes because we had to we had to give it.
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  Speaker 3: A little you gave it a little kink aspect.
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  Speaker 1: Give a little kink give a little twist we made
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  Speaker 1: it chicano yes so that was a very fun halloween
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  Speaker 1: and this year we're toggling between a few different couples
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  Speaker 1: halloween ideas i think we've landed but i don't want
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  Speaker 1: to speak too soon okay okay yeah just wait wait
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  Speaker 1: for the post okay yes i will be awaiting Oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: you'll see it at your house for your Halloween party.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we're not having the Halloween party. Yes. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: thought because I didn't send an invite, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it fizzled. People won't remember.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: At your birthday. Yes. No.
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  Speaker 3: At my birthday party. Yes. Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: At Yosa's birthday party. There was a whole conversation about
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  Speaker 1: how I might not be invited because I haven't attended.
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  Speaker 3: That was for Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, also Christmas. There are a couple of holiday parties
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  Speaker 1: that I have not attended for various reasons for the
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  Speaker 1: past couple years at the Osas house. And all valid.
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  Speaker 2: This is just a rule we're experimenting with. If you
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  Speaker 2: miss the last two holiday parties, you might not be
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  Speaker 2: invited back.
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  Speaker 1: Which is fair. But also, it's me.
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  Speaker 3: It's also you, yeah. Yeah, rules don't apply always to you.
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  Speaker 1: Not always. So then the question was, like, will I
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  Speaker 1: get invited? Will I be there? Like, am I going
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  Speaker 1: to be on the list? And it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's happening. It's going to be great. The theme is divas.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so what happened? Let's talk about Nightmare Fuel.
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  Speaker 3: What happened to the party? I know, I know. Okay, so.
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  Speaker 2: Last week, Fernando and I were discussing the party and
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  Speaker 2: he was very adamant that people weren't going to come.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, it's Halloween's on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: It's we have a very chill vibe like if people
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  Speaker 2: want to be out out like this is not the
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  Speaker 2: place for that and i was like people are gonna
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  Speaker 2: come even if 10 people come that's a party that's
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  Speaker 2: a party you know and then he says well you
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  Speaker 2: know we did just throw a party and we spent
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money and we're gonna have a party
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  Speaker 2: in the for the holiday so i think actually we
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  Speaker 2: should cool it and we have to install rain gutters
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  Speaker 2: and i'm like how boring i mean i support it
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  Speaker 2: and i get it and okay yes but But I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: the adulting of it all is that, oh, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get rain gutters so we can't.
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  Speaker 3: Throw a party.
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  Speaker 1: How very domestic.
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  Speaker 3: I hate it.
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  Speaker 2: But I respect it. And so when he said that,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, fair. If your argument is that nobody's
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  Speaker 2: going to come, well, that's not valid. But if it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, expense-wise, we're going to throw another big party
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  Speaker 2: in a month and a half, kind of, for the holidays,
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  Speaker 2: for December, then okay, I support that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So.
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  Speaker 3: Here we are.
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  Speaker 2: So now I need plants for Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I feel like every year we're
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  Speaker 1: scrambling to find plants. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Which is why I was like, we'll host the party
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  Speaker 2: because we don't want to be out out, but we
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  Speaker 2: want to be doing something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But here we are.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what? Rain gutters, it's very middle class.
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  Speaker 1: That's something to be proud of. I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: sign of accomplishment. That's a very good thing. A new
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  Speaker 1: roof and new rain gutters.
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  Speaker 3: This is true. This is true.
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  Speaker 4: The luxury.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because of this, you know, allegedly El Nino is
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  Speaker 2: coming and has been here.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it has been very hot and humid and
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: And raining.
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  Speaker 3: And raining. And so Fernando's very responsible.
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  Speaker 2: Position is let's get the rain gutters before we get
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  Speaker 2: really bad weather, really bad rain. Smart.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: What a good husband you have. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He won't let me throw a Halloween party.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because of El Nino. We can't. El Nino is here.
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  Speaker 1: No more parties. But also what a throwback. El Nino.
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  Speaker 1: I remember El Nino from like our childhoods.
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  Speaker 3: You remember?
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. El Nino has.
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  Speaker 3: Always been present in some capacity through the winds. Now
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  Speaker 3: the rain. Now the humidity.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny, I can just sometimes I'll hear my mom
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  Speaker 2: watching the news and she's like, ay, este niño travieso.
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  Speaker 3: And it's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: That's like the very señora thing I hear from the
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  Speaker 3: señoras in my life. They're like el niño travieso.
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  Speaker 1: The El Niño comeback tour. Wow, back and better than ever.
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  Speaker 1: How fun. So, okay, so I remember you also talking
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  Speaker 1: about you and your costume ideas for this year. There
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  Speaker 1: was a mention, because the theme of the party was
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  Speaker 1: going to be divas, so you were talking about a
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  Speaker 1: couple divas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now I don't know if I'm going to do
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  Speaker 3: a diva.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: TBD.
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  Speaker 3: It's all up in the air now.
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  Speaker 1: It's all up in the air. Anything is possible.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Fernando.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. But you know what?
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: It's his fault.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's good. It is.
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  Speaker 3: It's responsible and it's annoying, but it's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's good. Wow. So Halloween, we have some talking points. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We have some topics.
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  Speaker 3: We've been talking about, we've been talking about horror. Throughout
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: this podcast.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, for 10 seasons intermittently sprinkled through. But I
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: think this is the first time we've had them so
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: close to each other. We were talking about gothinas and
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: horror and the horror of being women online in particular. Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 2: And this week in this episode, we want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about some, like, traditional horror tropes, some folklore.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And how they're in so many ways classic and are
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: reinvented in contemporary ways.
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  Speaker 1: Right. There's only like a dozen stories out there that
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: we retell in different settings and different time periods with
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  Speaker 1: different characters. And we put like a spin on it.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: But it's really the same story. over and over and
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: over again. And there's a couple movies that have come
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  Speaker 1: out recently that I think are also plays on some
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  Speaker 1: classic tropes and stories that we've been telling for centuries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah definitely I also want to call back an
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: episode that we did with Aiden Castellanos a couple seasons
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: ago a couple years ago now and it's about Latin
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  Speaker 2: American folklore specifically.
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  Speaker 3: In the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Texas border and he has a really great podcast called
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: Susto and he came on our podcast to talk about
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  Speaker 2: all of the different lore and stories that he's learned
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  Speaker 2: and uncovered and told on his show over the years
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  Speaker 2: as well. So that's a really fun episode where we
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  Speaker 2: do dive into like the traditional or traditional Latin American folklore.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Tune into Susto. Aiden is like an expert on borderlands, horror,
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  Speaker 1: scary stories, folklore. And so we're just going to like
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  Speaker 1: breeze over a lot of like these different stories. But
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  Speaker 1: if you want some deep dives, like episode by episode,
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  Speaker 1: Aiden goes in. So highly recommend a listen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious, Mala, when you were growing up, were
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  Speaker 2: you ever scared? or, like, threatened with any of, like,
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  Speaker 2: the Latin American, quote, boogie monsters that we hear, whether it's, like,
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  Speaker 2: el cucuy, la llorona, la lechuza.
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  Speaker 3: Was that something that you would hear in your family?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, definitely el cucuy was used to scare us into behaving.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Just like this... scary man who would come and take
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  Speaker 1: you right in the night if you don't behave El
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  Speaker 1: Cucuy is going to take you right and take you
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  Speaker 1: far away and um I'm like wow okay like it's
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  Speaker 1: like like Elizabeth Smart much.
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  Speaker 3: I know I'm like why would they do.
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  Speaker 1: That I know because it's like no this actually happens
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  Speaker 1: to little children like they get snatched out of their
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  Speaker 1: bedrooms like there are actual Cases in history, Elizabeth Smart,
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  Speaker 1: Polly Klaus. There's like it's a thing. Yeah. You know,
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  Speaker 1: abductions of small children by like deranged pedophilic men. And
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  Speaker 1: that is what El Cucuy is in essence.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Is your parents threatening you with of actual like possible reality. Right.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: But turning it into like if you don't behave, then
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: this is going to be your consequence.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: You're going to be abducted. Terrifying. In the middle of
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: the night.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: It's awful.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: That's some Latino parenting for you.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yacht scared me. It scared me a lot.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere, Locamores. We'll be right back.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: And I remember we had bars on our windows, like
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: in my first childhood home. And I remember just being
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: so grateful for the bars. Yes. Like, thank God.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Because El Cucuy cannot get in here and take me away.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a throwback in a way because the
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: bars on the window specifically because.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: We are children of the 90s, obviously. We're girls that
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: grew up in the 90s at a time.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Now I think we, there's this fear of girls, in
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: particular young girls, teenage girls being snatched because of, the internet, right?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Befriending someone who is pretending to be a young boy,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: a teenage boy, but.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Is actually a grown man. Like there's all these different examples.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: But when we were growing up, what was the fear
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: was that you could be abducted.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: From your window.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Like while you were sleeping, while the house was sleeping. Yeah.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: And so that was a very big thing, of course.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: But I remember that fear.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Being very present as a kid growing up so much
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: so that when, you know, of course I went to
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Catholic school that when we had like our uniforms, do
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: you remember you could like monogram your name?
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, of course.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: My dad did not allow my name to be monogrammed
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: because he was like, anybody can call you and you're
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: going to think, oh, this person's familiar because you're a child.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: So my dad refused to have anything monogrammed. He would
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: not allow it. I was not allowed a nameplate. Like
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't buy a nameplate until I was 18 with
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: my graduation money because there was this fear.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: And so there were bars on the window.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: No.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: And because I mean, think about it like Richard Ramirez,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: like the Nightcrawler was in the San Gabriel Valley. He was.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: You know, gouging people's eyes out and stuff like. And
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like when we were growing up, there was
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of serial killers and abduction on the news. Yes.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Like it was just like this revolving door of abducted
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: children and serial killers. So, of course, like we grew
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: up with a lot of fear. And then I remember
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: at my school, they did like everybody. Every child got
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: like an identification card. And I remember this emphasis my
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: mom had on us having current pictures of us.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: And knowing all of our information and having these ID
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: cards and. In case of abduction. Right. Like it was
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a real like present fear. And then we lived not
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: too far away from a freeway. And I remember my
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: mom saying like, anybody could just snatch you up and
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: then get on the freeway and then you're gone forever. Right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: You know, and then they can just leave. Cause I'll
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: get on the freeway. And then I remember that being
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a thing, you know, a fear, like how easy it
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: would be to just take us away.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: That is a real, that is a real horror. I
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: think of being a girl, being a kid, being a child.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And then of course being a woman is just the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: constant threat of abduction of stalking of harassment.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, that is a real horror.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Of life. And then all of these horror films that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: we make with, like, these imagined monsters is really just
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: playing on that real life fear and horror. And I mean, It,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you just mentioned It, like, is all about
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: this killer clown who's specifically, like, tormenting and abducting and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: murdering little children.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Awful stuff. Right. But again, based in this reality. Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: That children are so vulnerable. And so we then turn
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it into art to then like reflect on it, to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: entertain us, to scare us. It's a very like interesting,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: odd thing that we do as humans.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But it's also so natural to us.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It's meaning making that we're doing. Right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Trying to make sense of violence or injustice.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And who's the most vulnerable?
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And who is violence inflicted upon? And then, of course,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: there's layers to it. Right.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Then there's we have like the femme fatale and the
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: the revenge narratives, the vigilante type narratives.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: That we also see in horror films. So there's all
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: these layers to it. And we could I mean, there
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: are so many layers. just podcasts in general that exist
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that are talking about film and horror in particular, right?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: We could never uncover it in just one episode, but
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to do our best to talk about some
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: of these themes.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: So we talked about Okukui. What are some other like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Latin American folktales that you grew up with to scare you?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, definitely La Llorona.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And that has been talked about so much now over
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the years for decades. I really appreciate the Chicana feminist
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: reading of La Llorona, of how she's a woman in
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the border.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: She's a woman searching for her children.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: There's a survivor narrative that I think Chicana feminists in
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: particular read.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Write about La Llorona and I think.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: That for me has been really impactful when we think
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: about counter narratives or reclaiming a supposed monster or a
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: bad woman it's La Llorona character or La Llorona as
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a figure and really thinking about what she represents in
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: our culture.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I think there are also some interpretations of La Llorona
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: being a woman who drowned her children.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely to like Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. who maybe was experiencing her own delusions, who saw
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: no other way out other than to drown her children.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And again, like the art imitating life, the life imitating art.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: It goes back to meaning making, right?
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And when we talked about in that episode, I wanted
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: to bring.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Up La Llorona and then that moment passed and, you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I just let it be. But yeah, when I've been
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: seeing that interpretation as well, specifically from Miriam Gruva, who
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: wrote something about, And, yeah, I think this is part
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: of what the folklore represents, right? It perseveres for a reason,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and we continue to make meaning from it and interpret
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: something about our current reality based on this ancient or
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: traditional folklore.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: It's like it's a problem we still haven't solved.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: It persists. It recurs. It's ancient, you know? We may
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: be calling it something different or— You know, understanding it
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in different ways. But it's like it's a woman who,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like killed her children. What do we
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: do with that? And how do we stop it from
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: happening again? I don't know.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: You know, and it's it's it's like just this human tragedy.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That I think maybe will always be with us. Like, okay,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: like people hurting children in general for whatever reason. You know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: like hurting the most vulnerable among us kidnapping children. I mean,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: very morbid, right? But like, yeah, like you're saying, we're
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: trying to make meaning out of it, out of something
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that's probably always going to be part of the human experience.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's something that's so unexplainable, right? I think as in
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a broad way, right? We can understand the mechanisms or
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the pathology behind actions never justifies it. But I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: there's this, okay, this happened because this happened. But I
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: think it still is so unexplainable. Like, how can something
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: get here?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's also why it persists. Absolutely.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Because it hasn't been solved.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And then there's other things, other human experiences and tropes
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that we turn into folklore that are maybe not quite
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: so morbid. Right. I think about, like, the duende. And, like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: my grandma talks about having a duende in her house.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: She's 92. She forgets things. She loses things. But she
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: will often say, like, oh, it's, you know, it's el
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: duende that lives in the house. she can't find these
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: papers or it's always papers. I can't find my papers.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I can't find my papers. You know, uh, She had
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: some jeans recently that she couldn't find, and it's a duende.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And I recently had an experience this past weekend where
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I have this ingrown hair serum that I used, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: then I put down, and then I could not find
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: 30 seconds later.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Trickster.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I know, and I'm searching all over my apartment, high
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and low, up and down, under the furniture. Did it fall?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Did I pack it? Did I put it somewhere? I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: could not find it. And then eventually, like, it gets found.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It gets packed. Go on my trip. You know, I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: utilize this serum on my trip. And then, again, like,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in the hotel room, couldn't find it again. And still
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: cannot find it. But I know that I had it
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: with me. I've been using it. I've packed it. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: then once I use it, it's, like, gone.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And it's the most frustrating, infuriating thing ever. But with
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: my partner, I've been saying, like, I have no other explanation.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Other than it's a duende. Like, we have a duende,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and he's fucking with us. Mm-hmm. And he's specifically targeting
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: my ingrown hair serum. And, like, again, nightmare fuel. How
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: dare you?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's pulling a prank on you.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: He's pulling a prank on me in a very vulnerable moment.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I just got waxed. I need my serum. Yes. You know? Like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: why are you doing this to me?
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But then it's like, okay, so the duende is kind
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of this stand-in for, like— In my grandmother's case, she's 92,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you know? And so, like, her awareness of things is
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: different than it was when she was younger, you know? So, like,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: instead of saying, oh, my God, I'm so old, I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: can't remember anything, it's el duende, you know? For me,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it's like, I'm scatterbrained right now. I'm all over the place. I'm, like, overwhelmed. I'm, like, overbooked. I'm, like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: so busy. I'm doing a bajillion things at once, right?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So I'm losing things. But instead of just acknowledging that
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like fried, no, it's el duende, is messing with
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: my serum. Yeah. You know, it's like a way to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: sort of like, it's a way to offload, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: our own like human flaws in the moment. I'm going
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to offload it to the duende right now.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Or it's really el duende.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Or it's really el duende. And I think it might be.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: There's no other. There's just... I can't even begin. Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: We'll leave it there. OK. We'll leave it there to
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: not invite any any.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: More into the space, into the studio.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Wow. OK.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And then I think moving beyond folklore, there is also,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, the image. the figure of the vampire.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Right. Which is an ancient tale.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Most people think of Bram Stoker's Dracula as the first
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: story of Dracula, but there's actually a story that predates
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Dracula and it's called Carmilla.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: It was written in 1872.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's a Gothic novel written by an Irish author named
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu and And I stumbled upon this
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: novel about a year ago because the incredible writer, Carmen
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Maria Machado, she wrote the foreword for it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: There's like a new edition of it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: And the reason this is kind of in the zeitgeist
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: right now in the queer community is because it's actually
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: about a lesbian vampire. There's like a queer story in
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: this novel written in the 1800s.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And so that actually predates, like I mentioned, predates the Dracula,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the vampire that we know, right, to be like the iconic,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the first vampire.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: But there's a story that predates it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: And I think that's really fascinating that a novel and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a figure that was imagined in the 1800s can persist
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: all these years later, because the vampire represents something that
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: we still, I think, as a society struggle with, right?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Whether that's like.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: The vampire representing kind of like the puritanical society is
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: like in opposition to that, the vampire as a conversation
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: about like immigration and fear of.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Immigrants, right?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And so there's this very fascinating way that these characters
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: or figures like a vampire, like a Dracula can persist
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: because it's actually a representation or an allegory of something deeper,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of something else.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, again, 90s, 2000s, and to the present moment,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: there's been so much vampire fiction. Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Iconic.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Iconic.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Vampire Diaries.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Twilight. Twilight.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Twilight, I feel, busted it open in a way that
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: hadn't been done in this century.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: In the way that.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Edward Cullen, in the way that Edward Cullen was represented
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: as a chaste vampire, I think that is what made
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it different, is that, oh, the.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Vampire can be romantic. Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: He can, like, court me. He can, you know, be, like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: wanting to take things slow, right? He wants to protect me.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: He's abstaining, right? And now we know, like, that Stephenie
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Meyer is a Mormon, and there's a lot of, like, Christian... deep-seated.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Things and themes within the novels.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But I do think that's the first time we see
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: like the vampire as like an aspiration, like some type
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of romance, some type of boyfriend.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: A love interest.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: He's like stoic. Yeah. And he's sexy. Yeah. And he's just,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he could just, he's so strong he could hurt you.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: But he won't. But he won't. But he won't.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: He can constrain himself. Yes.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Right? He will only use his powers for good.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And he's going to protect you because you're delicate and human.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Which is also interesting because it's... like, is it a
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: larger conversation? I mean, I think it is because of the,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: now we know like the Christian elements of the novel,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: but how much of Twilight and this, the figure character
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of Edward Cullen is how much of it is like
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a dialogue about like sexuality, especially for teenage girls, when
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: we're thinking about like the abstinence piece of it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Because even in the novels, I've seen all of them.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere, Locamores.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I've read all of them. I've seen all of them.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I was like peak teenage girl when this was coming out, right?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: And they also don't have sex. Edward and Bella until
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: they get married.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah right that is a very.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Big plot point they get married and so I don't
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: know thinking about this chaste vampire this chaste representation of
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: a vampire and what that says about teenage sexuality girls
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and abstinence you know yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like if you're gonna marry this guy
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and have his baby, it will forever transform you. Not
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: just because you're changing your last name and you're a
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: wife now. You're gonna have a half-vampire baby that's gonna
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: shred you from the inside. And in fact, in her
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: birth scene, he has to use his fangs to rip
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: her open.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an intense scene. That is a hard scene
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: to watch, definitely.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: That takes it to a horror film.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Right.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: The horrors of honestly birth. Right.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Because it is a trauma. And we're like joking and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: laughing right right now. But yeah, I mean, there's so
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: much in that film. It's like I think because it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: geared towards was marketed towards teenage girls and young women.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Like there's so much frivolousness applied to it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: It's viewed with.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: This lens of it's not really important.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But like it just speaks to so much. I think
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: of like the culture of the early to mid 2000s. Oh, yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: The early to mid 2000s.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: What a time.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Girlhood. Well, I think there was also so much. Oh,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: my God. There was like so much negativity and slut
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: shaming going on. Of course, I always think again about
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: poor Brittany.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: And how she was so horribly mistreated publicly at such
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a young age for her work and. Her dancing and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: her costumes and her displays of, like, her sensuality. And
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't surprise me then that there's this work, right,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that is showing basically, like you're saying, the horrors of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: marriage and childbirth. You know, like, if you do this
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: with this guy, you know, it's going to destroy you, essentially.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: But it's also worth it because you got married.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Because you got married.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I view it as.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: there was this abstinence theme that carried on throughout the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: novel and the films, right? It's not just abstaining from sex,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: but Edward also abstaining from human blood.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And so I view it as it's... all worth it
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: if you wait until marriage and then I'll look at
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: everything that you got out of it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: You did get eternal life and you did get a baby. Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In some ways, one might say like, oh, what
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: an interesting take that it's like not on Bella, the girl,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to set boundaries and say no and remain chaste. It's
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: actually the onus is on the man in the situation
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and To say no and to set the boundary and
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to take things slow and to not push her into
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: something that she's really not ready for. Right. You know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: in the story, he's lived— you know, a dozen lives
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: already by the time he meets her. He's like this
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: ancient creature, right? So he's been around the block. He
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: knows what's up. So there's a power imbalance, right? Both
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: because he's like this supernatural being who cannot die. He's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: very strong. He's immortal. He has like other sorts of,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you know, supernatural abilities. He could have taken advantage of her. Right.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: But instead he said, no, I care about you. So
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to hurt you.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: And that's very different from the Dracula and all of
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the Dracula interpretations that we see.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Right. The Dracula is like the he's romancing you, but.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Like because he's a predator and he's going to kill you. Right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And in this case, it's the opposite of there is
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a power imbalance.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: But oh, look at my restraint.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: In terms of representation of a vampire in popular culture
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and media.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because instead of him saying, you know. Well, you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: knew the risks. You played with fire.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It's more he's handling her with, like, velvet gloves.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: And only once, like, the commitment has been made, then
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: he rips her apart and destroys her. Right?
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Up until that point.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Up until that point, yes.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's a fascinating allegory for relationships, for marriage.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And what your husband is allowed to do in some way, right?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. Interesting. Right. Say more.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just thinking of the Christian aspect.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Not because this is my belief or even my interpretation
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of Twilight, but more so what you just said. I'm like, oh, OK,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that's interesting because it's like when. You're married under Christianity.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It's like your husband essentially is like can have control
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: over your life.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I can make decisions for you and not to get dark.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Not to take it there, but I'm going to take
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it there. I mean, it wasn't even that long ago
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that like spousal rape also wasn't considered illegal. Right. It
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: wasn't against the law. Uh, and so I, it's just,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it is making me think about all of the power
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: and control that a husband can have over a wife,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: a woman after they're married, especially under like the guise
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of Christianity is what I'm thinking.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. This is, this is also why I think
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: there's such a, on TikTok, there's a lot of content around, uh, women, uh,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: who are basically warning unmarried women not to get married.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Don't get married. Don't get married. Don't get married.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: You know, because attaching yourself to a man in this way,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: legally and spiritually, can either create the conditions for a
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: beautiful life.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Or can really fuck up your life.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Right. Like inviting, not only inviting a man into your life,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: but giving yourself to this person through the sacrament you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: know or like the the contract.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Right of marriage legal contract the legal.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Contract can uh take your life in a lot of
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: different directions depending on this man and whether or not
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: he's showing restraint and respect and good judgment right you
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: know I guess Bella married well. I guess she chose well. Yes.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: In the end, Bella chose well. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It didn't save her from the horrors of childbirth, though.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: No.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Which is really it's a it's a toss up. Like
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: what happens when you have a baby? Like anything could
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: happen to anybody.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: You can plan and plan and plan. And that baby
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: can still rip you to shreds.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Whew. Anyways.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: The horrors. We need better maternal health care in this
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: country is what I'm thinking.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: We need better maternal health care. Yeah. But again, nightmare fuel.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Art imitates life. Yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I love that we took it there. This just feels
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: very Locatora on brand for us.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: It is. We can't help it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: We can't help it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: So- Frankenstein, 1818 Gothic novel by Mary Shelley. Of course,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Frankenstein has been remade and reinterpreted over and over and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: over and over again since 1818. And essentially, Frankenstein is— we
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: associate Frankenstein as the monster Frankenstein, but Frankenstein is actually Dr. Frankenstein, the, like,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: mad scientist who— who pieced together parts of cadavers and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: brought life into this creature that he makes. Frankenstein is
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the doctor and the creature is the creature. But we
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: associate the name with the creature. And recently, Guillermo del
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Toro did his own version of Frankenstein, which we watched
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: together in New York.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Loved it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Loved it. Fabulous. And I think there's so much to
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: learn from this story. And I think this is a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: story that gets remade over and over and over again
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: in different movies. And a movie that I saw recently
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that reminded me of the Frankenstein story is The Drama
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: with Zendaya.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: And we talked about that in the last, last episode
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: about the Frankenstein element of the drama.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Tell us more. So.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: In the, did we really on the last episode?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: In the Goth Tina episode.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: We talked about that movie?
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we did.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. I'm drawing a complete blank.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: We talked about the pitchforks because we were like, are
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you going to be online? Like in women's comments with
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: your pitchfork?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Like think about it. Are you a villager with a pitchfork?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes. So right. So in Frankenstein, like
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the creature is actually like this innocent creature that that
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: didn't ask to be made and had, just like all
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: of us when we're born, we're not asked to be born.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And so the creature, you know, is like in the
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: eyes of the town folk, the village folk, like grotesque.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and unnatural and scary and, you know, superhuman. And they
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: attack him. They attack the creature, right, with like their
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: pitchforks and their hatred. And then what the story reveals
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: is that, you know, the real monster is... The crowd
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: of angry villagers with their pitchforks. Right. And so this movie,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the drama in this film, Zendaya, Zendaya's character is about
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to get married to.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Robert Pattinson.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson. Who played Edward Cullen. Who played Edward Cullen.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: He shows up again. And their two characters are going
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to get married. They're like at a dinner with her
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: maid of honor and like the. best man the best
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: man and they're playing a game where they all go
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: around and share like what's the worst thing you've ever
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: done first of all why would you do that like
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you know a week before the wedding or something yes
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: awful game this.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Is the the pretense of the movie though yes.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yes awful game and so they're all sharing these horrible
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: things that they've done horrific awful things um and And
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: then it's Zendaya's turn.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Also, spoiler, by the way, if you haven't seen it,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: just prepare yourself.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: This is a spoiler. But it's been out for a while.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's been out for some time on streaming and stuff.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So then Zendaya's character shares that when she was a kid,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: like a high schooler, that she planned a mass shooting
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: at her school. That she did not... Right.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: She didn't carry it out.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And she was the last one to share. And then
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: everybody flips out.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, my God, you're a psychopath. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: don't think I can be part of your wedding. My
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: my cousin is disabled because of a of a mass shooting.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And how dare you?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And blah, blah, blah.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And it becomes a villagers with pitchforks versus Zendaya thing.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And what's fascinating is she never really defends herself. And
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: she also never points the finger at the rest of
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: them and says, oh, but you did this and you
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: did that and you almost killed a kid and you
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: bullied a kid so badly that his whole family had
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to move. She doesn't turn the tables on them. She
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't point the finger at them. She just apologizes profusely.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And just kind of like takes it on the chin. Yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And it was so interesting to watch that film and
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: think like, wow, this is the same story. You know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Zendaya is the creature here. She's been scapegoated and everybody
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: is just projecting their own guilt over their own crimes
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: against humanity onto her.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: And they're perceived like values of like right and wrong.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Because she didn't actually carry out.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Said mass shooting.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: She was very apologetic that it didn't even, like, came
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: to her, that she planned it. Like, she, throughout the film, is, like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: analyzing and, like, trying to even understand herself, right?
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Like, How did I get there?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Why did I get there? But she didn't actually do anything.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so it is very fascinating. There's also, you know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: racial dynamics here. Like, of course, Zendaya is a black woman.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson is a white man. And then the maid
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of honor is also a white man, white woman. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: there's like this weird like she's now the villain.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And she's the bride.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: And she's the bride. So it is very fascinating how
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: it works. this tale or your analysis and reading of
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Frankenstein can be applied to the drama and Zendaya's character.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the maid of honor played by Alana Haim.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: She's so good in this role. So good that you
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: hate her. I hate her so much. She's so awful.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: She is the most she's the loudest, meanest, angriest, most vindictive,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the most self-righteous of everyone.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I think she did the worst thing of all of them.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: She did the absolute worst thing. And watch the movie.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: But in the movie, basically, she led essentially like.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: A child with developmental disabilities, a child with developmental disabilities
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: who was her neighbor, led him into the woods, into
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: like an abandoned RV and locked him in a closet
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: and left.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Him there overnight and didn't tell anyone like he could
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: have died.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And then her whole thing was like it was impulsive. Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: You know, you're a cold blooded murderer. And it's the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: writing is so good. Yeah. Like it's so well done. Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: That movie was very polarizing. I will say when it
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: came out. Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I think because it was I saw a lot and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with this, but I saw a
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: lot of reactions to it that they felt like the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: mass shooting pretense was like kind of a gotcha or
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: kind of I think just very surprising, but not in
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: a positive way is how I saw the reading of it.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Not by everyone, of course, but by, like, a couple
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: critics that they felt very, like, whoa.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Where did that come from?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And I think also because, I mean, living in this country, like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: we are very sensitive to mass shootings, you know?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: So it makes sense. I think there's also that piece
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: of it. Yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's in the title. It's drama. It's all drama.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: It's all drama.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's all the drama. So that's, like, a really, for me,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: loved that. Mm-hmm. Loved that film. Loved that take.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I wanted to bring a genre of film that... does
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: not necessarily exist officially but it's what i call where
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: is her family oh and so love that is basically
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and i this of course is coming from the context
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of a latina with a big family who's very.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Involved right because i'm like will would that ever.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Happen to me no my mom would be calling me
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: immediately you know would i be lost there no so
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and so has my location yes right Obviously, this is fiction.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: This is a like perceived or built world. It's fantastical.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: It's scary. It's fiction. It's a film. But there are
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: films that I'm watching. I'm like, oh, my God, where
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: is her family?
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And one of those films and we do find out
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: where her family is and it's very tragic. But in
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the first film is Midsommar. And that is a wild film.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: It's Florence Pugh's in it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: She's a star. It's about a cult. I won't spoil it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But in the beginning, you learn that something really tragic
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: happens to her family. And there's, you know, the themes
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: of like mental illness and mental health. And the whole
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: time that I'm watching it, I'm like, wow, if she
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: had a bigger family unit, maybe closer friends, maybe you
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: just had more people like I don't think she would
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: be on this trip right now. Like she would be
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: grieving in her community and not with her boyfriend who
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: didn't want to invite her on this trip anyway.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Right. And his weird friends. And I'm like, where's her family?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: That is like my own personal genre of film. I'm like,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: where is her family?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: This poor woman.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. I love that because it also
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: is like it makes me think of people who are
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: deep in the depths of addiction. Mm hmm. And they
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: have families who want them to come home. But you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: can't force someone to do something that's good for them.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Like you can't force someone to go home. You can't
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: force someone to listen to their mom. And so I
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: think like part of the horror of this genre that
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you're coining is they could have a family. But the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: thing about free will, right, is that you can make
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: choices that completely destroy you.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, definitely.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Like you are the own monster, your own monster. Yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I and so many and the other a
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: couple other films that I was thinking about is one
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: of the other films I was thinking about is Barbarian.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Which came out several years ago. It's very scary, very good.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And I don't recall if she is on the phone
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: with a family member. But, you know, the premise of
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: this movie is this woman rents an Airbnb and there's
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: weird shit happening in the basement of this Airbnb. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: she's like travels to another state for a job. So
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: very much like her family is not around her.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But when she's, you know, missing for a couple
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of days again, I'm like, where is her family?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Where is her location?
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Why is no one checking on her?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Why is no one searching for her?
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of reasons that that happens.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But it does still come up for me because, you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: in these films in particular, the women are the protagonists.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: They are the ones who are having horror inflicted upon them.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: And so it makes me think like how isolated girls
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  Speaker 2: and women can be at times and how either familial
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: situations or intimate partner violence can also push girls and
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  Speaker 2: women to be isolated.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Isolation is dangerous. Yes. Essentially.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: When you're all alone, like anybody can can impact you
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  Speaker 1: in a negative way. Like you need a support system.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: You need your tribe. You need your family. You need
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: your friends. Right. It's hard to it's hard to defend
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: yourself against the evils of the world all alone.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Like you need strength in numbers.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And then. Obsession.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Another one where this girl, Nikki... Where.
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  Speaker 3: Are all their parents, first of all, actually? Yeah, all
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: of their parents.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we know Bear. It seems like he has... He
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: only had his grandmother and his grandmother passed away. Like,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: that's how the movie starts, right? But the rest of them,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: where are your parents?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And with the Nikki character, there seems to be confusion about, like,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: whether she has a good relationship with her dad, whether
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: he's sick, whether he's not sick, whether she's lying about
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: him having cancer or not. But really, it's like these
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  Speaker 1: youth are all wrapped up in each other.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Obsessed with each other.
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  Speaker 3: Obsessed with each other.
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  Speaker 1: So, like, there's, like, nobody else in the world that exists.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Is obsessed with Bear because of the wishing willow that
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: he snaps and he casts a spell on her. So
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: she's obsessed. Without her consent, she's made to be obsessed,
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  Speaker 1: which destroys her and everyone around her.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But he is obsessed with her to begin with, which
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: is why he makes that wish. Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Also, such a, for me, observation of, like, incel culture,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: you know, and why bear, like, why couldn't you just tell, again,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I know this is fiction and horror and we can
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: like try to over explain things like, why didn't you
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: do this?
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  Speaker 3: And why didn't you do that?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: But looking at it as like a piece of art,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. I think to myself, okay. bear like
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: why didn't you just tell her how you felt.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: She asked him she gave him the chance.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know but you're either like socially underdeveloped like
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: you don't know how to talk to girls you don't
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: know how to talk to women um there's like this
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: obsession that you have for me it is very much
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: i have a reading of it as like incel culture
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: and like bear as an incel And, like, in order
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: to be with her, he has to cast her under
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: a spell.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Yes. Like, it has to be on his terms.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Well, because the question she asks him, she's like, do
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you like me? And so maybe he couldn't say yes
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: because the answer wasn't yes. Like, he didn't like her. Right.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: He didn't love her. He was obsessed with her. You know?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And then the other character that has a crush on him,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I forget her name. Ashley? Yeah, the other friend.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: I don't remember her name, but yes.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: You know, and here's this other girl who has, like,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: a crush on him and is also wanting to cultivate
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: something with him. But he is so enmeshed with this
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: idea of Nikki, you know? And when Nikki invites him
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: in and opens the door and allows for him— to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: profess a feeling, it's like he doesn't really have a
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: feeling to profess. Instead, he has a drive to like
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: have her and possess her.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: And it's this idea of her, right? Of who she
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: is and what this relationship could be as opposed to
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: who she actually is as a person.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then after she becomes possessed because of his
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: wish and she kills people and hurts herself and is
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: just like a demon, right? like the real Nikki is
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: begging him to kill her horrible, begging him like bear,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: please kill me. But instead of giving her what she's
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: asking for, He kills himself and leaves her with the wreckage.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: You know, like he never loved her.
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  Speaker 3: No.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: He never loved her.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Well, remember, he also was going to kill himself and
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: then like didn't actually. And then not real Nikki, but
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: like possessed Nikki, like use the same wishing stick.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: And then. They were like equally obsessed with each other. Yeah.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: But he had that point had already. Did he take pills?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: He took pills to OD.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: And then so he does die. Yeah. And then she's released.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: From. Again with the wreckage.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: With the wreckage that she did not cause.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: And all of her friends are dead and she's fucked up.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And now she has to live with his. The consequences
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: of his choices.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: It's also like the final girl, right? Like the final girl,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: the last woman standing. Yeah.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: But like at what cost?
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: And it's not because she fought valiantly, but because this
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: guy was a coward.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Coward. Coward. An incel.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: An incel.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Great movie. Yeah.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Really good movie. I love that Indy Navarrete is shining.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm so excited to see her career grow. Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And I feel like also this is speaking of like,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: you know, old tropes and old stories. I feel like
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Obsession is like a really weird twist on like a
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Sleeping Beauty.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: You did mention that.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Where, you know. In Sleeping Beauty, you know, she's
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: under the spell of a witch, and she can only
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: be awakened by true love's kiss, right? She has no
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: autonomy or control over her fate, what happens to her.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: She can't just be. You know, she's under a spell,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: and then a man has to wake her up from it,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a prince. And here, Nikki is put under this spell, right?
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: And has no control or autonomy over her actions or
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: her feelings and can only be awakened from this stupor
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: if the man who put her under the spell breaks
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: her of it by killing himself or killing her. Right.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: So I feel like it's sort of like a take
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: on a Sleeping Beauty story. Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: The horrors persist.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: The horrors persist. Oh, the horrors of girlhood, of womanhood.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, right.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Well, we covered a lot today.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, we did. Happy Halloween.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Happy Halloween.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Happy Halloween.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Be safe.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Be safe. Post your Halloween costumes. Watch a scary movie.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Tell a scary story. And have fun.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: The horrors persist, but so do we.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: But so do we. So do we. The least we
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: can do is have fun in spite of it all.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: All right, Locamores. Thank you for tuning in to another
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: capítulo of Locatora Radio. We'll catch you next time.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Besitos.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Localandia.