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Inside Tommy Dorfman's Team · Clyde Confidential

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys. My name is Megan Grimm. I am the
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  Speaker 1: CEO and founder of Clyde Staffing and I have my
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  Speaker 1: very first Clyde client joining me today, the wonderful Tommy Dorfman.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: And we also have the wonderful Natalie Gerber, who is
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  Speaker 1: Tommy's old assistant. So let's get into it. For those
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  Speaker 1: of you who don't know Tommy, she is an amazing actress, author,
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  Speaker 1: and filmmaker. And for those of you who are going
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  Speaker 1: to now meet Natalie, she is working at Tricky Not.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, what is tricky.
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  Speaker 3: Tricky Not is an entertainment financing and development company and
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  Speaker 3: we worked with talent led production companies, including Tommy, which
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  Speaker 3: is how I found the job where I am now
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  Speaker 3: because I worked for you almost two years ago. Now
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  Speaker 3: it's crazy. Yeah, So I was working with her when
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  Speaker 3: I graduated college in May of twenty twenty two. I
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  Speaker 3: traveled with my friends for a couple months because I
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  Speaker 3: was supposed to study abroad, but that didn't end up
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  Speaker 3: happening because of COVID, so I had a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a joy ride, and then I moved to New
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  Speaker 3: York and got connected to you through my friend Cameron England. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: who connected me and then I filled out the amazing
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  Speaker 3: questionnaire everything, and within I think three days you responded.
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  Speaker 3: Tommy was my first interview zoom she. I think you
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  Speaker 3: were wrapping. You were like a week out from wrapping
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  Speaker 3: me with some of us, and you were in the
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  Speaker 3: car and we were zooming, and twenty five minutes of it,
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  Speaker 3: I think was talking about Soul Food, which is this
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  Speaker 3: amazing restaurant in Marin County, which is where I grew up.
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  Speaker 4: It is really good. I shot a TV show there.
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  Speaker 3: I shot Thirteen Reasons Why there. So that was the
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  Speaker 3: bulk of it was. We were just like talking about
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  Speaker 3: how amazing Marinas and Soul Food and Billina's Ridge and
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  Speaker 3: all that place is there. And then literally she was like, okay, great,
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  Speaker 3: so like you'll start on Monday.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh yeah, I mean I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was in a tricky situation, which was that in
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  Speaker 2: Megan's company. I just help me through this a lot,
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  Speaker 2: Megan in particular. But I had never had an assistant
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  Speaker 2: before Megan, and I needed an assistant and you placed
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  Speaker 2: me with like a great I had a few different people,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of rotated the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Personalities in La and it was everything like started as
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  Speaker 2: part time and then you sent me this girl Francesca
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  Speaker 2: we love, who's amazing. Francesca worked for me for almost
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  Speaker 2: a year, wanted to leave because she wanted to do
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  Speaker 2: more like on set stuff, and right around that time,
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  Speaker 2: my first film got green lit, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you come do on set stuff with me
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  Speaker 2: and then I'll help you get a job from there.
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  Speaker 2: And while we were there, I had the studio that
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  Speaker 2: financed my first film. They were hiring and so I
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  Speaker 2: made them hire Francesca because Francesca is incredible. But then
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  Speaker 2: I and then I did the same thing with Natalie,
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  Speaker 2: in which Natalie worked for me for we worked together
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  Speaker 2: for how long with a year? A little over a
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  Speaker 2: year maybe, and similar thing in which like it was
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  Speaker 2: I think time for you to do your own thing.
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  Speaker 2: And also I was running my own production company. We
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  Speaker 2: were run we were like we were running with NOE.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a mess and we were doing
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  Speaker 2: the best we could do, but it was really hard
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  Speaker 2: and I needed to like downsize and like re structure
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  Speaker 2: my business model at the time because we had writers
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  Speaker 2: strikes and all this other stuff and you had.
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  Speaker 3: Like a thousand other like you had the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Sensibly I couldn't afford to keep Natalie, but I wanted
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  Speaker 2: Natalie to have a better job anyway where she wanted yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, and I was like, we have
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  Speaker 2: to be together forever where we have like a professional marriage.
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  Speaker 2: So it just again timing worked out to get that
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  Speaker 2: a friend of mine, Alex, was hiring at her new company.
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  Speaker 2: Trick you not, and you got that job.
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  Speaker 1: And Alex is how we met to Alex. She knows everyone.
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  Speaker 4: She's a very good connector of people.
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  Speaker 1: She totally is. So when you were looking for assistance,
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  Speaker 1: and while we were working together to kind of do
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  Speaker 1: this trial and error with your assistants, what would you
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  Speaker 1: say were the most important things to you and identifying this.
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  Speaker 2: Person, I think the thing that mattered to me was
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  Speaker 2: that they had goals beyond being an assistant, which isn't true.
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  Speaker 2: I think for everybody who's hiring an assistant or an
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  Speaker 2: executive assistant or coordinator or a house manager or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: cloud staffing is helping you do or wherever you are
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  Speaker 2: in the world. But for me, I wasn't interested in
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  Speaker 2: having like a full time assistant forever. I've always been
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  Speaker 2: interested in like a mentorship kind of partnership. So I
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  Speaker 2: think the people who didn't totally work out were people
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  Speaker 2: who didn't have goals beyond that in place, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: understandably for one reason or another, needed a job, needed this,
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  Speaker 2: needed that out of school transitioning into something else. But ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: like it's hard, Like assistant work is really hard, Coordinating
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  Speaker 2: works really hard, Scheduling is really hard, especially if you're
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  Speaker 2: working for one person or an individual or a household.
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  Speaker 2: It's really intimate, and the boundaries between like friend and
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  Speaker 2: colleague can get messy, and especially when you're working with
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  Speaker 2: artists who aren't well, which is every artist and there's
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  Speaker 2: not an artist as well, and so yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was just always came down to like what's your
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  Speaker 2: star sign? I'm just kidding, Uh, it never.
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  Speaker 3: Came down to that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm done. I'm kidding. I'm totally kidding. What I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it comes down it does come down to, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of assistant work when you're a
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  Speaker 2: smaller actor filmmaker like myself, like still building my business,
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  Speaker 2: like my office is my house. I've had periods in which,
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  Speaker 2: like we had an office together for a while and
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  Speaker 2: that was nice, but ultimately, like we're usually working virtually
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  Speaker 2: or like in my living room or in I have
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  Speaker 2: an office in my apartment now right, so it's like
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  Speaker 2: we're moving in those spaces, but it's very, very very intimate,
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  Speaker 2: and like personal life stuff comes up in the process,
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  Speaker 2: and I think I didn't realize how much I needed
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  Speaker 2: somebody who could kind of like tune some of that
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  Speaker 2: out and then be able to tune back in because
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  Speaker 2: it's unavoidable because I think, like, you placed somebody with
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  Speaker 2: me who was like, I can't handle your Like he
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  Speaker 2: didn't say it that way, but ostensibly he was like,
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  Speaker 2: you make me really nervous and I get diarrhea, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I can work for you anymore. I
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  Speaker 2: think I need to go back to LA And he
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  Speaker 2: was like, in New York's a lot, and I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think I don't think it was me that gave
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  Speaker 2: him diarya. I think it was New York.
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  Speaker 1: I think New York is New.
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  Speaker 2: York City gave him diarrhea. A lot of people. I
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  Speaker 2: was really unwell when he started working for me, and that,
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  Speaker 2: like I had just was like going through my first divorce,
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  Speaker 2: just had a huge breakup, like I was by really
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  Speaker 2: I had just moved back to New York City.
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  Speaker 1: You're in a different place.
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  Speaker 2: It was in a different place, yeah, twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to think about where I was in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one and where you may have been in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty of that baby. Yeah college, I know, baby, you
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  Speaker 1: were a baby two thousands baby, which is when people
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  Speaker 1: always freak out. Okay, So being an assistant, I always
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  Speaker 1: tell people it's sort of like dating. You have to
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  Speaker 1: be super aligned. As you just mentioned, what are some
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  Speaker 1: of the things that really worked with you too, and
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  Speaker 1: some of the challenges you may have faced while you
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  Speaker 1: were working together.
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  Speaker 3: Well, quickly, I just want to give like her flowers
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  Speaker 3: because I think it's so important to find someone who
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  Speaker 3: you are a match with. And you're the questionnaire that
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  Speaker 3: you send when you start interviewing, you know, assistance for
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  Speaker 3: people and just putting them in the Clyde network is
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  Speaker 3: so helpful because it's like, do you want to be
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  Speaker 3: a career assistant and are you looking for a higher salary?
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  Speaker 3: What do you want to be doing in five years?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, I want to work in development.
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  Speaker 3: I want to find someone. I've worked at larger studios
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  Speaker 3: and production companies where I like touched a couple different
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  Speaker 3: projects like once or twice, and then they were onto
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  Speaker 3: the next department, and I didn't feel like I could
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  Speaker 3: have ownership or creative autonomy over anything. So I was
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  Speaker 3: really excited about working directly with talent. So I think
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  Speaker 3: it was just the Clyde sort of questionnaire when I
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  Speaker 3: first got connected with you. Filling all of that out
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  Speaker 3: was really helped when I was very honest and you
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  Speaker 3: ask great questions where it's like can they call you
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  Speaker 3: at midnight on a Sunday? And I was like, ideally not,
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  Speaker 3: but like, situations happen and if that comes up, that's
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  Speaker 3: fine and we'll deal with it, you know, and where
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  Speaker 3: you want to go in your career in two years
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  Speaker 3: and five years and so I filled all of that
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  Speaker 3: out really honestly, and had mostly worked for larger entertainment
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  Speaker 3: studios and production companies in the past, So I was
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  Speaker 3: really excited about working directly with talent in a way
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  Speaker 3: where I could like contribute, bring things to the table,
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  Speaker 3: and grow, and that was kind of exactly what you
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  Speaker 3: were looking for. In addition to helping you know, coordinate
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  Speaker 3: your schedule and calendars and brand deals and all of
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  Speaker 3: the thousand different things that you have going on. So
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  Speaker 3: it ended up being kind of perfect. And yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: were together for like a year, but it feels like
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  Speaker 3: longer because we're still together.
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  Speaker 1: It was a year, yeah, like it feels like it
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  Speaker 1: was six years.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I mean we're still I think we'll be
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  Speaker 2: working together in different ways probably for ever.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, remember when you had a tarot card reading and
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  Speaker 3: you came into when we had the Bushwick offices. You
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  Speaker 3: came in and you.
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  Speaker 4: Were like, everything about that.
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  Speaker 3: Tarot card reading this morning, and there was like a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of like personal stuff, and then you were like
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  Speaker 3: but at the end, she told me that, like, you're
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  Speaker 3: going to run my company one day. It was something Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was ch which sounds like a really crazy, like
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  Speaker 2: love bombing thing to say at work, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it's true because I I I will support Natalie through
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  Speaker 2: as much of your career as you'll have me, and
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  Speaker 2: it would be so lucky to have you back.
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  Speaker 4: I tried, I actively did try.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Tommy, when I asked you to come on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast and I said, bring someone, Natalie was the first.
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  Speaker 2: Thing, I tried to take Natalie back from the job
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  Speaker 2: that I had got her to come run my company
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  Speaker 2: with me.
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  Speaker 3: But but it's really nice because we I mean.
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  Speaker 4: But it's good because you're getting different experience.
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  Speaker 3: Now get different experience.
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  Speaker 4: You love an offline, We love an offline.
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  Speaker 3: I've been really ingrained in the financing side, which I
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  Speaker 3: knew nothing about, and.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, you know, And I'll be so glad when
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  Speaker 2: you come back and work with me that you have
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  Speaker 2: all of that new intel.
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  Speaker 3: See there's a way, that's how you go to frame it.
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  Speaker 3: But it'll be fun to like be on such together
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  Speaker 3: for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: I know, because you met me when I was editing
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  Speaker 2: my film, which was really helpful. It was really nice
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  Speaker 2: to have a two thousand's baby perspective on a teen movie.
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  Speaker 1: Very important. Yeah, okay, let's talk about that project. What
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  Speaker 1: do you guys have in the slate? I?
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  Speaker 2: Well, my movie I Would Show All the Best comes
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  Speaker 2: out November seventh in theaters. So that was the movie
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  Speaker 2: I was like finishing when we first met. And then
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to Toronto to make my second film. It's
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  Speaker 2: called Loria Dean Keeps Breaking Up with Me. It's really
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  Speaker 2: cute in a week and you'll be there for some
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: And what are we needing to do to help you
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  Speaker 1: with Toronto?
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  Speaker 2: What did we just Oh? I just said, do you
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  Speaker 2: know anyone who can like a runner sort of pa
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  Speaker 2: type person who can help me with my animals and
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  Speaker 2: Erin's while I'm on set for fourteen hours a day?
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  Speaker 1: Definitely?
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  Speaker 2: And two do you know anybody with an extra car
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  Speaker 2: or a car? I would never take a job, It's
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  Speaker 2: so bad for the environment.
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  Speaker 3: This feels like an off line.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: So I I driving an electric car in the city
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  Speaker 2: and I'm anxious about driving it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you like having a car in the city. I
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  Speaker 1: used to have mine in the city, and I got
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  Speaker 1: a ticket a day, every single day because it was
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  Speaker 1: cheaper than a parking lot.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a U problem. But if you ask my parents,
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  Speaker 2: that's also a me problem. My mom. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know why they know about all my tickets. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I think they just visit enough, and every time I'm
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  Speaker 2: driving around there's just tickets.
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  Speaker 1: Did they get mailed home? Because that happened to me
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  Speaker 1: when I had my car registered in LA. My tickets
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  Speaker 1: were getting mailed to my LA address, and one day
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  Speaker 1: I came home to the thirty tickets. It's in Los.
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  Speaker 2: Angeles, I have I get a lot. I get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of tickets and it is cheaper than a garage.
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  Speaker 4: And that's okay. I'm okay with that. I love driving
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  Speaker 4: in the city.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, driving with you makes me so nervous.
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  Speaker 4: Mind your business.
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  Speaker 3: I never had to drive in New York City, so
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  Speaker 3: like driving her car always freaked me out.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I had a rain driver too, and before I had
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  Speaker 2: an electric car. And you were like, I've never done
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  Speaker 2: a New York City.
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  Speaker 3: Your systems drive you.
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  Speaker 2: I've never When I.
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  Speaker 4: Need to work, I don't like to driving.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 2: My only requisite is that whoever works with me has
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  Speaker 2: a driver's license.
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  Speaker 1: Fair, totally fair.
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  Speaker 3: And I grew up driving in San Francisco, but New
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  Speaker 3: York City is such a different beast. But we had
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  Speaker 3: a couple of times we would drive in from Brooklyn
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  Speaker 3: to the city for meetings and she would drive and
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  Speaker 3: it was like Taylor Swift on the radio and like
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  Speaker 3: work calls coming in and emails and it was like
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  Speaker 3: she's a great driver, Like nothing illegal ever happened. But
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  Speaker 3: I was sitting there I felt like a mom teaching
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  Speaker 3: my kid how to drive.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, well, and I think, honestly, I was
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  Speaker 2: never I wasn't going.
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  Speaker 4: To be like drive me. And I think you were like,
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  Speaker 4: I'll just drive. I think that's how I.
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  Speaker 3: Do it, Like I've take over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's hysterical. Yeah, okay, car ride sounds super fun.
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  Speaker 1: What else is something funny or memorable, uh, that you
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  Speaker 1: guys experience together as a team.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about, what do you I mean, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I can't there's so many things, like legally, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I can't say.
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  Speaker 1: That's appropriate for this post.
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  Speaker 4: No no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like we're trauma bonded through a certain
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  Speaker 2: individual forever.
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  Speaker 3: And I saw this question ahead of time, and I
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  Speaker 3: thought about answers that don't have to do with no.
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  Speaker 4: No, no no, So we can't talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But I think we both had like an incredibly challenging
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  Speaker 2: experience with somebody for the whole time that we were
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  Speaker 2: working together, and it was just it.
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  Speaker 4: Was I think like we're like trauma bonded from it.
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  Speaker 2: Honest Oh god.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that was that. And she was saying
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  Speaker 3: this at the beginning, towing the line between a professional
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  Speaker 3: relationship and a personal relationship is one thing. But when
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  Speaker 3: you're someone's assistant and you're handling the business side, creative whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and also their life and their well being to a
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  Speaker 3: degree and making sure that everything's okay, that's a really
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  Speaker 3: challenging line to tow. And I think we did.
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  Speaker 4: We did a really good job.
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  Speaker 3: I think I did a really good job.
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  Speaker 4: You did a great job.
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  Speaker 1: Barely did a great job.
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  Speaker 4: You're here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we both Yeah, we're both very open communicators,
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  Speaker 3: which was helpful.
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  Speaker 4: You and I have had.
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  Speaker 3: Therapy, which is helpful.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, heavily therapized open communicators. I think we're also very
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  Speaker 2: compatible like as people. So star tigns or whatever. I
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  Speaker 2: don't actually remember yours, no, because it's not that relevant.
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  Speaker 3: What is your May thirteenth? But I don't know about it?
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  Speaker 2: Me, Taurus?
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  Speaker 4: What are you again?
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  Speaker 2: Everyone who works with me is aries Yo Muhamma and
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  Speaker 2: alicsa are aries. So I think the lesson for me
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  Speaker 2: in this is aries great as friend work partner, not
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  Speaker 2: the greatest romantic partner aries women? True great?
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell me leo?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah no, I see that for you.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone I've ever worked for born within three days.
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  Speaker 3: Of each other.
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  Speaker 1: You ready for this? This producer I used to work
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  Speaker 1: for Casey Patterson August twelfth, August thirteenth, jen Is August fifteenth,
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  Speaker 1: Madonna Is August sixteenth, Narrily, Yeah, that's crazy crazy.
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  Speaker 2: The Leo Club, Leo Club. I'm a Leo rising.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a good that means either, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the performance of self and like what you
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  Speaker 2: offer the world, but not totally like who you are.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like what allows me to go do
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  Speaker 2: my job, but then I actually just want to come
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: home and be in bad well.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about to go back to your question.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you what was.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Funny memories, funniest thing that's ever happened to you? Guys working?
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: Did we do met together? No, Francesca did met with me?
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: My god, oh my god, this was so good. Though
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: you did the I might get the name of this
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: galler wrong. There was a gall you went to and
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: you were dressed by someone. I'm doing a really good job.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: You were dressed by someone.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: And you're doing amazing street.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: That's when we started working together, Okay, and I had
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: just moved to New York City, so I like didn't
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: necessarily know the layout. And I used to live in
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Tribeca on Murray Street and you had to go to
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: a gella at New York Public Library, and on Murray
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Street there is a The Amsterdam branch of the New
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: York Public Library is like a block from my ole department, okay,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: And so she was going to the scala and the
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: jewelry didn't get there in time.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: The CFT Awards it was a CFDY or.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Was it CFTY or fifteen percent Pledge might have been.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: It was fifteen percent pledge.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: It was the fifteen percent Pledge gala, and I somehow
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: like had the jewelry because the stylist didn't get it
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: to her apartment in time. And she was like, and
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I was like, remind me where the event was. Where
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: the event is? And she was like, I'm going to
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: New York Public Library. And I was like, the New
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: York Public Library is right next to my apartment, Like
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I can just pop on over. And she was like, Babe,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: you live in Tribeca. And I was like, I know,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: it's right next to me on the next block. I
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: like doubled down, and she was like, that's it's not
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: how it works. And then I googled it and I
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: realized that it's not today back Branch. They don't host gallows.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you got we got.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: The jery did we only read it? Actually do I
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: just not worry.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: That's fine early days new to New York, you could pass.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Fine.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Another funny one was we went to la for like
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: forty eight hours for a Valentino event and we were
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: staying at Sunset Tower and Tommy had the Penthouse suite
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: and so we went to the event together.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, fab, it was great.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Jeff Clein, if you shout out to Jeff Clin, if
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: you get better, become friends with Jeff Clin. There you go,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: because Jeff Clin runs this town. Yeah, owns the Sunset
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Tower Hotel, owned Samvasin te Club.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Tommy just did a presentation for her book.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: We did an event with sam Leansky for my book
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: at SVB and Jeff Jeff is an angel and has
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: taken care of me and it's the beginning of my career.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Literally I met Jeff like the first week, the week
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: after thirteen Reasons Why I came out Wow, And it
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: was just through like staying at the hotel and then
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I've only stayed there when I'm in La.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, Jeff Klin is a great person to know.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: And happen a great person to know, and he really
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: hooked you up, which was great. And we went to
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: the Valentino event and she was like, like, go see
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: your friends, because I had a bunch of friends and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: a lie. She was like, just go up to the
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: penthouse like hang out, you know, go back and do whatever.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, great, and it was like
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: nine o'clock, so I took a car back and I
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: went up and we were hanging out with like two
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: of my best friends from high school who lived in
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: la and they had like given you a bottle of
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: champagne that you didn't want, so you were like open it,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: drink it. And we were hanging out up there, and
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: like twenty minutes later, it was not even that long,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: you come bursting through the door. And I hadn't seen
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: my friends in a while and I had just started
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: working with you, so they had no idea what was happening.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: They were like, why are you in the penthouse at
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: the Sunset Tower Hotel? And we were just like talking
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: about stuff outside and then you like came up and
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: you were like, oh my god, hey guys, Like, how's
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: it going. We're gonna go downstairs and get some dinner,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Like I'm Tommy, It's so nice to meet you. And
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: they were both like and one of them was Sophia Brill, Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: which is crazy who we love? We love I love
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Sophia Brow And she was like, was that Tommy Dwarfmann
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, that's my new boss. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: she was like, what's happening.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Sophia Brill, though, has has saved my ass so many times,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: like when I went through my last big breakup and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I had to like leave my apartment in Brooklyn with
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: my dog. I moved into the Bowery and I had
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to go to Paris for work and I couldn't bring
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: my dog with me because she's eighty pounds. And Sophia
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: came and stayed at the Bowery with Fiona, my dog,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: for like many days, and it was my dog, my
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: dog had a room with the Bowery for many days, and.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Your dog is a room with the Bowery, have the penhouse.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I was a Paris crying and then yeah, and then
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: coordinated with my parents. My mom who came in and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: got my dog for like a month and brought her
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to Alabama while I, uh, I don't even know what
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I like.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Totally blacked out that summer.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, another girly that we love. Can we
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: talk about Zoe for a second? Kravitz Kramer?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love Zoe Kramer. Yeah, I was like, I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: could we could talk about Zoey Kravitz.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I love Zara Kravis, but.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I would want to call her first before I talked
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: about her on a podcast. I love Zoe Kramer. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say it better Zoe. Although Zoe Kreamer and I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: have beef right now, but Zoe Kramer's gay?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Why do you have beef with her?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Do you want to know? Kind of I don't know
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: if I should say this. Okay, Zoe is did like
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: help me move into my new apartment, help me do everything?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Has because Amelia Gray is like a supermodel actress, is
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: always all over the world. I think Zoe works remote
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a lot, and so Zoe has dog sat for me
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: like for extra you know, coin and also my animals
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: and I have a cat and they love her. But
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I think maybe she was a little overwhelmed the last time,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: because I was gone for like ten days. I got
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: home and she'd like left and it seemed like everything
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: was fine. I got home, I went upstairs, and I
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: was like, weird that there are no packages. And by
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the way, it's like the thing about being any level
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: of famous, like you could have fifteen thousand followers on TikTok.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: If they have your address, brands or sending shit regardless
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of you're fucked like you don't, and it's stuff you'd
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: never wanted, and like I no longer have my address,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: like nobody gets like I've moved enough times now where
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: it's like I try to get I'm not saying don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: send me anything like if if you're louive, send me
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a back, but I'm just saying, like I don't need
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: all of the pr all the time, but it comes.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And also I don't know what I bought at two
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning when I've taken my melotonin. So
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: it's and also there's there's just you know, running a house,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: like even though I live alone, there's a lot of packages.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Happened anyway, So I remember getting home and I was like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: really weird that there's no packages here, and I was like, oh,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: maybe she unpacked them.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: And I was like, well, that'd be kind of strange.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But also like that used to do, Like there's a system.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I no longer have a personal assistant. I'm raw dogging life.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Actually, I just have a production company and two people
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that I work with full time there. But I do
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: have my own errands and stuff now, and it's really wow.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I know it's great. I'm thirty three years old, guys,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: and I do my own errands. I'm just really humble. No,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you know what it is is.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: It's just I'm trying to thing, and I'm enjoying trying
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: the thing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of you.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Zoe Kramer did not, sweet Love. I said that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's so weird.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I go downstairs.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: There are thirty eight packages in the whole way, stuck
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: taller than me, and I didn't care. The only thing
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I cared about was that my dog's dog food was
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: there and all rotted because.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I don't mavee anymore.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I farmer's dog, farmer's dog, okay, and.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: It all rotted.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And Zoe was like, your dog's had a dog food
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and I was like, that's weird. I think it came
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: and she was like it didn't come, and I was like, okay,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I'll check in on that. I was in Paris and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: then I came back and I mean, there's nothing like
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: getting off a ten hour flight and then figuring out
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: how you're gonna get thirty five packages alone. It was
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: very meditative. And there was heavy stuff too, because I'd
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: ordered some stuff, and then there's gifting, like this one
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: makeup brand had sent me that. Can I just say
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that the makeup brands need to stop to send your
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: makeup in a mailer, Like it doesn't need to come
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: in a suitcase with a mirror in led lights. Nobody
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: wants that nobody wants and it's so wasteful. I'm like,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: just send it in a mailer and use the USPS.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Please do you.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Have for the love of God?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Is like.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: It makes me so sad, like once Lizzo, when Lizzo
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: launched her shapewear brand, I don't even if it exists anymore.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It came in a bright purple metal, metal metal trunk
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: half the size of your coffee table and it said
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: yiddy and I was like, now what, Like, now what
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: am I supposed to do?
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: That was a brand name, and I was like, now,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do with this huge metal drug.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: It's such an inconvenience to everybody that's hysterical, and I
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: get it. It's like stunt marketing, but it's so wasteful
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and that's part of the reason why I'm like, but
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: some companies do it really well. Some companies do simply
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: just send like a little box with the stuff and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like a little card about whatever the formula is. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, I love that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Behind the front do now.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: My building's really special. Hard to say. There's like a
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: lot going on in there. I love my building. I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: never leaving. Is that your friend?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Or did you do a surprise? I was just talking
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: about you. Yeah, this is incredible, So it's really awkward
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: for you, because it's really awkward for you because I
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: was just talking about our package fiasco.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Ago I got so I wanted to die, Okay, I
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: felt really this was actually not entirely planned because I
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: had texted her this morning asking her to take a
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: bag to the real real for me.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I told Zoe that you were coming over today, and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I totally did not do this on purpose, And then
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I thought it would be cute if she surprised.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: You do. I'm really happy because I do love her.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I started with saying, how much I love you? Happened
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: It's the only.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: Only time, the only time, and I like literally wanted.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: To die you Tommy move.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: You helped me move.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Because I helped Megan move. Then I helped Tommy move,
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: and then I moved myself into a new apartment.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: In college, and then you moved. Amelia didn't. Then no,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you didn't Amelia, thank god, No, thank god.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Not yet.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like Amelia has a lot of stuff like clothes.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've never in my life incredible the packages that
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: have come in.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And remember when you helped me move. You met Anna,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: my housekeeper who now works for Amelia.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, she works for Amelia.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: They tama bonded over my move together.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: The first time I met Tommy, we went from Brooklyn
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: and we went to Lueva to get candles and you,
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: this has to stop the Louisva candles.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I'm a taurist.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: She introduced me.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: She said, this is Zoe. She works with me, and
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: this is like experience of someone working besides you. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: I was like, that made me feel so good.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, that was just like, that's really nice.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: Like it's my fucking assistant. She's not even my real
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: I didn't know what to expect because another part of
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: that is we were talking about trust in the home.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Hu.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: I was packing up your apartment for a week before
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: I met you. I was she put the key in
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: a master lock and was like, yeah, of course. And
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: then the time for real estate agent couldn't come one
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: day and she texted me, She's like, do you mind
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: showing my apartment really quick to this couple who's interested
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: in And I was like, had not met.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: You've never met because with my.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Current boss we did a forty five minutes zoom, but
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: I also didn't meet her for two months in person.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about that with you too,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: But well, that is.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Where Clyde comes into play in that, like I trust
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that Megan has done her due diligence to value.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I was in a personal state of crisis and I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: was really struggling, and you were available to be of
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: service and help me at a time when I really
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: really really needed help. And I just had to like
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: have faith that you would and you were great and
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: you were amazing, and I didn't have to look at
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: anything in that apartment. All I had to do was yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: you're like, this is what I did today. But I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: think I do think that's important, Like for whatever field
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: do you work in, like very few people are doing
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: what they really want to be doing, and like my
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: dresser on Broadway is like an incredible musical theater actor.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Like when I did Romeo and Juliet first week of previews,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: people came to see the play and I introduced him
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: as an incredible actor. I was like, oh my god,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Adams like such an incredible like I just like watched
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: this video like incredible singer. I think it was like
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it was like some other Hollywood person
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: had come to see the play. And then he started
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: crying and he was like, no one's ever done that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Everyone just calls me their dresser. And I was like like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and it is, it's like the systems of I don't know.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I just think I don't know why. I mean, I
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: think words matter, and I think how we like phrase
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: things matter. I did. This is not what I came
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: on the podcast to do. I'm not preaching I swam,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: but I do think it's important, especially when you're working
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: with young talent because and I think talent is universal,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like it works in it's like every field of whether
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you're in like a more service oriented position or you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: in a more leadership role and you're you, which I
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: still believe is a service position at the end of
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the day, like you're still servicing people's needs, like I'm
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: responsible for people's insurance and rent and all of that
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: stuff getting paid, like that's all. It still can be
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: service oriented. But I do think there's some I don't know.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I think I owe all of this to my dad.
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: Honestly, he's a really good boss.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: My dad has a really good line that his mom
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: would always say, and she said, be careful of the
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: toes you step on today because they might be attached
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And I think that's really good, very powerful, Madalie.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Natalie, let me remind you that you went to my
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: apartment before I ever did, and I found not only
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: just say Natalie not working for me, found my apartment,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: went there, took a video, and then I signed the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: least before I ever saw its baby. That's trust, baby,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: that's I'm never leaving. I mean downtown Manhattan. I have
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the best neighbors. I have the coolest people in my building.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with them. Ella am hofflops in my building
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and I we clothing share. I dropped a dress off
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: for her today and she sent me a photo of it.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: She looks so cute and it it's way better than me.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: It was not a dress that I ever should have bought.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I bought it. It was like
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: it's like a Luive, a completely mesh like.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I was thinking it was an insane purch like completely
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: it's like crocheted dress, like a swim dress kind of thing,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: a beach cover up.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I guess, yeah. But did it need to be Lueve?
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: And did I need to buy it?
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I like, you really like Louve?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I do, but I am not someone who like dresses
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: scantily and scantily. The candle purchase was essential because I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: just moved into a new house.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: How many how many Wove candles do you think you've
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: bought in your lifetime?
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: They send me some too, how many?
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess called Molly, I have a
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: guess at the store.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I want to guess one hundred and fifty.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: no no no no no no.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I don't even think I bout one hundred and fifty candles.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like I picked up a Louivi candle or
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: two every.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Week now I just keep them lit all day.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: All the time.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I like Sunhall twenty.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Six, support local businesses like Louey Bay. Okay, next question, Okay.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: We are going to talk about Tommy's new book that
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: just came out in the spring.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, came out in May.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's called Maybe This Will Save Me. It's a collection
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of essays that my publishers call a memoir and it's uh,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: it's available everywhere as a national bestseller. Not bad, not bad,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: not bad. Yeah, I see it in the airport sometimes.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: That's really cool.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: What was your inspiration for the book and what do
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: you want people to know about your book.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: The book is primarily about like addiction and recovery, and
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I think writing has just always been away for me
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to process bigger things in my life. Like I don't
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: keep a diary traditionally, but I write a lot of
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: essays or scenes or not poems, but like monologues I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: would say, although for a couple for during the pandemic,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Steim taught me how to write pop songs and that
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: was really fun. Nobody will hear those? Did you hear them?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I really want to feel like your next, whatever you
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: write next, should be a collection of those songs.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: No, no, there are lyrics from one of them in
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: my book.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, I feel like we could slide one of those.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Into Lordine And there's something called dream Girl that's in
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: there that was like a haunting pop dream girl. It
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: might work sure that we would be free anyway. I
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's master, but all to say, it's
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a lot about growing up in the South, but mostly
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: about like drugs and sex.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, sounds great to me.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Which a lot of moms on Goodreads are like trigger
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: burning and I'm like, I this didn't write this for
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you or I kind of did.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Everyone please go by Tommy's book.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: You please, God please buy it because I'm like, I'm
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: it's stressful.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: The feeling of having a book in the world is stressful,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: very impressive, it's very impressible. Or don't. You can get
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: it from your library.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Or you could listen to it.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Right Audio books Yeah, if if you don't hate my
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: voice after listening to this, you can listen to it again.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Great at four x speed.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, so growing up in the South, can you tell
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: us how you came into the entertainment industry and what
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that was like for you.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: My parents work in the car industry. I grew up
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: going to NASCAR games and like football games, and nobody
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: works in the arts in my life. I was actually
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: talking about this last night. I was hanging out with
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a new friend and I was talking about the first
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: time I met a famous person was and I think, so,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Soo'd be fine this. I went to campus so se Bacon,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: and I didn't know that her last name was Bacon.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that her dad was Captain Bacon until
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the camp was over and he picked us up in
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: a Prius and like picked up from camp and went
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to her house. And I remember being like, WHOA, there's
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: like in car with a movie star. This is so weird.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: So I had like really no no ties to Hollywood
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: or acting. But I really liked acting and I liked writing,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and I always wanted to have I always wanted to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: like direct and have a production company and like do
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. I don't know where I got
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that idea from. I think I grew up on like
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Nurse Jackie in United States, like I grew up on
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: like the Showtime Cable, like Dramedy Half Hours and the Sopranos,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and like fell in love with TV in particular. It
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: was just weird because I actually don't write TV. I
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: only write movies. But maybe I'll write TV one day.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I went to school for acting. I
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: studied acting, and then I studied in Russia. Then I
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: studied here, and.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Then you studied in Russia.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what little known fact?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Guy?
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: How long?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: What part of Russia?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Moscow twenty eleven? It was before I got sober. So
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I was really drunk.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: When you were doing the podcast episode with Patrick Stewart,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and it ended up being the whole conversation.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: All right, do you mean, sir Patrick Stewart, Patrick.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Stewart, when you were talking about studies studying it?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I studied at MAHAT, which is the Moscow Art
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Theater School. Yeah, I studied there. A lot of Chekhov
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: love Chekhov, a lot of Stanislavski technique, Michael Chekov technique.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So Anton Chekhov's brother is also an acting in It
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: didn't matter. You can wikipedia all of this. I studied
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: in Russia. I loved theater and then I got sober
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: while I was in school and I was trying to
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: go to grad school for acting. Like I was like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to Yay, I'm gonna go to Julliard.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to NYU grad And I didn't get in.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: And then a friend of mine was auditioning for the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: show called Thirteen Reasons Why because he like got agents
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff right out of college. I did not,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: And I kind of like finagled my way into auditioning
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: for it because they were seeing like they were doing
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: open calls.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And then I got that job.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And that was it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And breaking in if you don't have ties to an
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: agent or a manager on like, what do you do?
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: What do you do?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: At the time, backstage was a resource that was really helpful.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I built myself a little. I went to theater school.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: There was like one on camera acting class. It was
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: not great. So right when I got out of school,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I started doing on camera acting classes and then I
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: started acting in I tried, I auditioned and acted in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: as many student films as I could, so like in
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: YU and Columbia. I live in New York City, so
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I feel very fortunate. But it's like there's great grad
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: film programs here in undergrad film programs, and a lot
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: of those programs were quiet. You know, students are making
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: like they're filming a scene a week of something, whether
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: it's something that's already written and they're reimagining it, or
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: they're doing just a small exploration verite, you know, three
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: minutes of something happening, no dialogue in os like. So
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I had this experience of doing that and putting together
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: a little, you know, package of shit that I could
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And then there's this place called one on one which
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: was like you could pay hay to take acting workshops
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: with casting directors and then they would do like showcases.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And I did this like one on one camp, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I ended up I was working with this like really
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: sketchy agency here for a minute, but they didn't get
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: me my thirteen person it's why audition. So technically I
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: was like working with them, but like, I don't know what.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: We were doing in sketchy agency.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say I don't want to tell me after.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I don't even think they exist anymore. But and then
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I did have, like also a sketchy manager. I say
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: that I didn't have a manager before because I just
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: like genuinely like I don't know what he did, Like
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they did, but he was there.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: He was part of my life for a period. He
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: was my friend who worked at Equinox's boyfriend, and he
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: ran like his own be weary of like men who
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: run management companies in basements in New Jersey.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Just just to be mindful.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: There was a young girl from my Bob Krakouer acting
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: class at the time who had a really bad experience
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: with him and can fill in the gaps. And I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: found this out later years later, so I'm glad that
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: my instincts were right. He came to the Thirteen Reasons
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Why premiere and he was the first thing he had.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: He asked me while we were on the red carpet,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: was like, can you.
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: Introduce me to SELENEA Gomez? And I was like what,
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: Like this is so weird. I was like, why are
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: you asking me that? At my first job?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, I've never even been on a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: ride was my first red carpet, Like I never it's crazy.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just met Selena two weeks ago
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: when she showed up to set, Like I don't fucking know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: like I like it. Just the whole thing felt so strange.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: And I called him the next day. I was like,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: we can't work together anymore. That made me really uncomfortable.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Our journey is over.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And then I yeah, I just was like, I don't
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: think that was an appropriate thing to ask, and I
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: just I don't Something about it made me feel weird
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do my own thing. But I think
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: breaking in it's like you kind of have to. I
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: think like you should probably get some training. I believe
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: in training. Not all actors are. Some people get to
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: break in as teenagers. Some people are just like living
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: in La. People do it in different ways. I really
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: like acting technically, like I like doing theater. I like
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I like I like the like philosophies of acting. I
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: like the different teachers of acting. I like nerd out
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: on it a lot.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: So you about to play three different characters in your
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: own movie.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Let's not say that, But I just I did just
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: play two very different characters in Sam gold Romeo and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Juliet and then I went and played a rabbi after.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: So I do like that kind of work. I like
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: more character driven. Wow, character work as an actor, and
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: so I like doing theater. I haven't acted as a
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: girl on screen yet.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Wow. I'm so excited for you. So what can you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: tell us about your upcoming projects and what are you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: most excited to introduce to the world.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: We just announced that my company Good Girl is uh
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: producing an adaptation of Tory Peter's book Detransition Baby, which
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: is one of my favorite books, and that's really exciting.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: And another one is aesthetical.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Oh and I'm currently in the process of writing an
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: adaptation of Ali Robottom's book Aesthetica, which is unlike anything
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I've ever written before, and it's really fun in a
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: wild ride about trying to reverse all the plastic surgery
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: you got in your twenties when you're in your thirties.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Ooh, and I just had guys.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, God really presents you with the right things at
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the right time. Celebrities get gifting, they also get like
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: freespa services. It doesn't make sense because like, economically, we
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: should be paying for everything. I don't not saying I
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: want to be. I'm just saying like the economics of
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: it are confusing, but I guess PR for PR.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Fine, where is this going? Buckle up?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I got a call life was told last week. A
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, I got an email from my
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: publicist that was like, oh, hey, this like facialist at
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: WSA wants to see you for a treatment, Like you
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: can get whatever facial treatment you want. And I was like, okay, yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I'll come and get a facial. Didn't think about it
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: again because it's like it happens, and I was like, oh,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I'd love to get a facial before my movie. This
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: sounds great. I get there and it's like dentist chair,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: like medical chair, and uh the branding's like I feel
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: pretty or something, and I'm like this is so weird.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And he hands me a mirror and he goes, I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: want to look at yourself and tell me what you
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: don't like. I was like, sorry, what, I'm so emotional
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: right now, like I just have already. I was like,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, you want me to look at this
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: mirror and tell you what I don't like about my face?
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: And then I immediately.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Was like this is so good for the movie I'm
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: writing Buckle up Let's goal. And I genuinely was like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of complaints, Like I'm okay
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: with my face. I think, like I it's doing its thing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I'm thirty three, Like I don't you know.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I get botox here in here for like a little
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: brow left for like feminization purposes, and then like every
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: two years talk about this. Because you want to feminize
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: your face, here's like two things you can do, and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: insurance will pay for it too sometimes, so figure that out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: But and I get like the smallest amount of filler
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: on my cheek bones just to like soften my face
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: because I have a very angular face. That's I'm not
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I've gotten no surgeries on my face or anything. So
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: it's like, I like, I'm happy to do these small
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: little tweaks.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: You look great, very natural.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, it's like they're they're like the most Yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: it's very normal shit. And I was like, and then
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: he took out the marker and I've never had this
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: where he started drawing on my face. And then he
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: started telling me proportionally what was wrong if I wanted
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: a more feminine face. And I'm looking at it. I
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: was like, girl, if I wanted a more feminine face,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: like I would get ffs. Like if I was like
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: that concerned about it, like you don't think like I could,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I would go get my face done, Like if I
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: really like I could, like I could.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Go do that if I wanted to do that.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: But it was like an interesting experience because I've never
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: had that before and there are a lot of marks
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: in my face. And then he felt my jaw and
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: he was like, we were talking about my TMJ. And
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: so then I let him put botox in my.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Jaw and then I let him do something.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, because then I was like, well, I gotta
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: let you do something.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I feel bad.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I was like sweating, and I thought I just thought
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I was getting like a hydrofacial.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I love that you went in with.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: No information twenty five minutes late as usual, and uh,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: but yeah, so we put botox in my massater and
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I told him. I was like, actually, I did this
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: before for my jaw and then it softened my jaw
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: and I did not like the way it looked. So
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: then I was like I would rather have like TMJ
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: than like that kind of jaw. So that's what I did.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Damn Anyway, I don't know how because I'm working on
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: this movie Astetica, which is about a girl in her
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: twenty is getting like told by her manager who she's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: sleeping with, who she's in love with, but he's using
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: her to get all this plastic surgery so she can
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: make more money as an influencer and like body con
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: herself into being Emrata, who's like just naturally the most
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: insanely hot girl in the world, but impossible to look
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: like if you aren't born like that, and I think,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: and then in her thirties, when like everything's already fallen
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: apart and she's super traumatized, she gets this procedure called
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: aesthetica that's in trials to all in one go reverse
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: all the body modification she got in her twenties and
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: sort of start fresh and like reclaim her body autonomy
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: because it's sort of like each surgery ends up being
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: tied to a different traumatic experience. And also the things
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: we want in our twenties are different than the things
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: we want in our thirties, and like, I mean, I
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: certainly have tattoos that I would get rid of if
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I cared enough and my pain tolerance was higher. But
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like these things and it's great that
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: we have these resources and like these things exist. This
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: particular search it does not exist.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: But that's now are leaning into doing less.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm also like, I love when the girls
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: are doing.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: More about it as long as you can.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Tell I'm but also I'm about it when you can tell,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's fab. I'm not about it for me,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, I love when the girls just step
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: out on the street. I love Miami. I mean I
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: love Miami for thirty six hours. I love Miami for
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: thirty six hours and then I have to go. I
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: love My favorite part about Miami is like the work
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: is incredible, Like I'm I'm so I love it. I
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: think it's so fab. I think a lot of people,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: when they hear the pitch for this movie think it's
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: like an anti plastic surgery movie. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: like pro plastics, like go off, do whatever you want
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: to do. I think it's like a body reclamation movie.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I think, to me, it's a trans movie. Even though
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: she says like it's like I'm doing whatever I need
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: to do to my body to feel comfortable in my
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: own skin and like navigate the world safely and like
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: feel at ease or as close to it at ease
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: as this type of person can get. Because I do
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: think there's people. I mean, I don't think everyone's meant
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: to live a life at ease.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Definitely not. So when can we expect to see this film?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, in a long in a while, but years,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: not anytime soon.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: So making a movie takes years.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Let if you do that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I started working on this.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I pitched this movie two years ago, and I finally
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: have like a partner who's helping me with the development
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: side of it, which just means paying me to write
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the script. And so now I'm in the process of
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: writing the script, which we'll I will have to stop
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: doing when I go direct a movie, and then I'll
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: go back to writing the script and then just these
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: things take time.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: You have a lot going on. You have a lot
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: going on. But congratulations, Yeah, sister, it's going to be
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a big year.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah maybe, yeah, it will be. I'm going to learn
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Just to close out, what advice would you both give
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: someone who is interested in working in Hollywood, or trying
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: to get their first job out of college, or just
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: trying to figure it out in their twenties.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people told me to go
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: into the mail room, which I think has its perks.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: And I have a ton of friends who work at agencies.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: If you want to get into entertainment on the sort
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: of production development, what have you side? And I think
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: that that's very like sie, like I should tell everyone
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: to be working at an agency mailroom at like you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: a management company or UTACAA, w ME whatever that may
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: be sort of being a tempt getting put on a
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: desk and you just learn the like business side in
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: the political side of the industry, which is very helpful.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: But I had a lot of experience when I was graduating,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: and I kind of knew exactly what I wanted what
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't, And I think if you have that insight
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: and instinct, trust it. I moved to New York without
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: a job. I went to film school in Los Angeles.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: All my connections were there. When I first moved here
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: and started applying and looking online, I was like, I've
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: completely screwed myself. The entertainment industry in New York is
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: so much smaller than it is in LA, obviously, but
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: within like a couple of weeks, I ended up finding
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: the job I know with you, which was amazing, And
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: The real ones live here.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: That's what I've learned.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: The real ones live here. You don't want to work
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: for someone living at LA.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: If you do want the larger studio agency company experience
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: in LA, there are a lot of paths to doing that.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: But if you want to do something else, work with talent,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: work directly with filmmakers, actors, what have you. All of
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: those people are in New York. And I feel like
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: that's what I've learned since, so I'm not telling I
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: also hate LA. So I'm like everyone should just.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Move to LA.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I hate La easy.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I don't hate La. I don't like living there.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: If La is not I grew up in Okay.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Everyone makes I want to be for loving LA. I'm
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: a New York girl, but I love LA. This is
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a question I get asked a lot by younger folks.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Where should I move after college La New York?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: And should I go for that?
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Uh?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Where do you want to wake up in the morning? Hey? No, Seriously,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Like you can live in any of the cities. You
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: can live in Atlanta and work in the entertainment industry.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: You can live in Chicago, you can live in a
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: secondary city. You can live in Philly, you can live
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in Europe. You don't have to live in America, live
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: in Mexico City. You could live in a lot of
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: different places. I think it's like, at the end of
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the day, where do you want to wake up? Because
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: most of the time when you're in the industry, we're
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: in unless you're on the agency side or like biz
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: side in that sense, like you're not really at least
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: if you're an artist and this industry, you're rarely doing
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the thing that you want to be doing. You're mostly
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: doing trying to get to do the thing you want
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: to be doing. So it's like for ninety five percent
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: of your year you're trying to get to the way,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: trying to get to the job, and then for five
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: that I'm not a math person, but seventy thirty is
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: probably this is the rule for me, is like thirty
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: percent of the year I'm actually doing the thing that
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: like I'm actually directing something or I'm acting in something.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Last year was a phenomenon I've never had that before
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: we're for nine months straight, I was acting wow and
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: just acting and I didn't do anything else. But all
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: that all to say, there were five years in which
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't act at all. So I feel like where
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you want to wake up in the morning is where
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: you should live at the end of the day and
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: know that, like everywhere else, is always there. And then
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: my advice was just to play the long game.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: How do you play the long game?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I just play the long game, long game, long, long game. Long.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Don't like instant gratification is going to come in waves,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: and that's going to be great, But when you're thinking
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: about building a career, like for me, the thing that
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: helped me really early on, like not be competitive with
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: other people and not be driven by competitiveness, which I
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people are in every field, is
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: that like, I'm playing a long game and I'm playing
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: my game, and like I'm doing what I'm supposed to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: be doing and it is going to look different than
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: what you guys are doing. And I remember when I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: booked a teen show and I was on the soap
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: fucking soap opera and it was amazing and I loved it.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: It was my first job it was incredible when it
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: came out and was successful. I went back to New
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: York where I was living, and I, this is psychotic.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: But I looked up every like teen show, where are
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: they now? Listical from BuzzFeed, and I was like, statistically,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: like four of us are going to be working in
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: twenty years from now, like based on I'm not a
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: statistics person, but I was like, okay, So I started
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: modeling what I wanted to do off of like people
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: from Freaks and Greek Geeks, people from the OC, people
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: from Gossip Girl, people from nine O two one zero.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, what did they do to get
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: to that place in this way? Because it's just true.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just the truth. Like the show I
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: was on. There will be a small percentage of us
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: that are still working as actors, probably even today. Let
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: alone down the line like you know, so I don't know.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I thought about it. That to me, I'm like, that's
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: why I gotta play the long game.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: It's great advice. I think.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Building off of that, I would say, in addition to
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: playing the long game and knowing where it is that
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: you want to go, fully commit one hundred percent to
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: whatever it is that you're doing in the moment, even
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: if it's not what you see yourself doing in five years,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: whether you're helping someone you know pitch to get an
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: adaptation of a book, to get the acquisition of a book,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: or going to get coffees in the morning, like whatever
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: it is. Fully commit. Don't have an attitude about doing things,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: especially when you're first starting out, because those people are
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: really hard to come by. And I feel like that's
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: that's the group of people that you've sort of curated
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: around Clyde. Which is really hard is the people who
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: are really driven and are really nice and are kind
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: of like no task too small, rolelessly up, do whatever
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: you can to help make someone's day easier, and those
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: connections that you make will be with you for a
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: really long time.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people ask me how
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I grew in my job as a PA, and my
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: answer is always, well, I was so young that I
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: knew when I was a personal assistant, I had to
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: learn that job super well. I had to master being
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: someone's personal assistant, and then in a couple of years
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I can move up to an executive personal assistant and
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: a chief of staff or now running my own company.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: But I wasn't focused on the two years from now.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I was focused on the now of being someone's PA.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: And but what were you wanted exactly?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: But some people can't really focus in on the assistant
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: work and they're too focused in on, well, when am
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I going to get promoted or when am I going
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to move up? And I really want to produce and
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: direct my own stuff. No, go be someone's assistant is
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: the best training camp in the world.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's like, you need to know how to
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: do the creative side of things, and you also need
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: to know how to deal people, deal with people, and
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the political side of it is so and knowing how
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: to navigate that is like one of the biggest skills. Yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: And it's not something that like you can go to film.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: School or no, like social skills. Yeah, and learning how
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to deal with personalities and making creating these relationships with
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: folks and then maintaining those relationships and you never know
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: who you're going to need to call down the road
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: in a couple of years for a recommendation or maybe
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: someone's hiring. It all comes back around. This industry is
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: so small.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, fail more. Failing's great it is. I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: failed so many classes in school. Highly recommend I did
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: all your c No, but I do think like there's.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: There's this like there's a fear of failure.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Everywhere, right, and it's like it feels like the scariest
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: thing in the world. But I think one of the
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: gifts of being an actor and like going through audition
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: processes is you just get told knows so much that
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: it starts to not matter. And I think, like I
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: wish everyone could have that experience, because friends of mine
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: who work in different industries I have this like fear
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: of failure or like not like of not being perfect
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: in whatever they're doing. And I'm like, no, babe, Like
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: you gotta fail more, Like you gotta like lie more
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: at work and fail more, and like say you can
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: do something more at work.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm being serious, guys.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: How do you think I had to convince somebody that
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I could make a full feature film and I didn't
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: go to film school. Do you think I wasn't lying?
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was speaking from the heart, but I
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: wasn't like I didn't have tangible evidence for this. I
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: was telling them that I could make a movie, but
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: that was not something I knew that I could.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Do, but you have to say it with such.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying lying. Lying can me in a lot
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: of different things. I'm not saying like actually be a
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: pathological liar. I'm like, you don't have a psycho.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I'm but what I'm saying is like fault. I live
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: entirely off of like like false confidence. Like I'm just
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: like I'm gonna suit up and show up, fake it
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: till you make it, figure it out when you need
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: to figure it out, don't be too scared to ask
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: for help.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: And like I think it's a really good piece of advice.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that can come without being prideful and
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: having an ego and like treating people terribly, Like that's
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: not going to be helpful, but you need to be
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: able to be Like I mean, the way that I
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: got my job, my first directing job, is I was like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I've never done this before, but I know that I
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: can do this, and these are the ways in which
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: like I've learned some of these skill sets. And also
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: like I'm going to hire people who've been in this
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: industry way longer than me, and I'm gonna learn from them.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: While I'm there and I did, but it's like like
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: you have to can balance that with some humility. But
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I do think there's like I love like I'm just
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: delusional and about a lot of things, and I do
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: a lot. I'm just like I have like a delusional
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: amount of confidence that I can do things that I
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: which is why I end up doing too many things.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: So I'm actually learning in my thirties to be an editor.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm in my thirties, so I can I can
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: start saying no more. Is that what it feels like?
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: But like in my twenties, I just said yes to everything,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and then when it didn't work out, I was just like,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: well we at least I have these five things that
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: That's great. I think that's great and being a yes
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: person figuring it out, learning as you get older when
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to protect your energy and work yourself and overcome.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Then I feel like it took ten years have been
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: working in this industry to like start saying no, yeah
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: and start editing. That's what I mean by lung Gave.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: It's like and I my first manager who I love
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: so much, Doraen, like my first like real manager. I
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: remember when I the reason I worked because I met
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: with every manager. After Thirteen Reasons Why, I came out
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: and met with three sixty untitled Anonymous Content. All these
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: places ended up going to Anonymous Content, where my old
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: manager Doreen was at the time, because she was the
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: only one who was like, it's going to take if
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: you're lucky, seven years to do what do you want
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: to do? But likely ten? And I was like, I'm
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: so glad she gave me that advice because I think
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: it's true, Like I'm now in my tenth year post grad,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: coming up on like ten years since I've shooting Thirteen
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Reasons Why the first season, and.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: You've done so much and accomplished so much.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: And also I can look at other people who've done more,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you know, and I can look at other people. It's
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: like it's all relative, but it's but all to say,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I I my dream was to be
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: on Broadway as a kid, and it took ten years
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: to me to be on Broadway. And I'm so grateful
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: that I And it's like that's all and that's all
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I want to do most of the time.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Do you think this year is the year that you're
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: most excited about with all your projects coming up.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: It's a big year Broadway, second movie going into production,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: first movie coming out in theaters, book came out, launched company.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: It was a big year.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, it was a big year. I feel very
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: accomplished this year. That feels nice. I feel like I've
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: learned a lot. I've learned more of what I don't
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: want to do again, what I would like to do
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: more of. I do think the next twelve months are
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: going to be really cool and exciting and challenging, and
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to learn and about what those things are.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: And we'll see. I think I'm gonna peek in my seventies.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I love that for you.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: That's my plan, yeah, because I do want to be
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: doing some fast of what I'm doing till I die.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: But I also want to like have kids one day
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and not work for five years. So I'm like, how
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: much money do I need to make?
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: People? Thank you guys for coming on. This was amazing.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I'm very very grateful to have spent the afternoon with you.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Sorry I was late, Oh my gosh, don't worry about it.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I'm always late working on it.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: The real reason I was late is because I got
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: accupuncture and massage this morning when you came in and
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Gonna ask, but I was like, I'm just gonna let
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: it be.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Natalie said, I'm about to buzz up, and I was like,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: oh no. So I quickly walked my dog and gotten
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: an uber and I was I was wearing underwear and
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: a T shirt.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: You were changed my fit.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: And then I showed up and y'all are like in
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: full glad go back to LA Is your tattooed eyeliner?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Is that?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: This is like is this what we're doing?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm getting annihilated.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is you brought a transsexual on your
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: podcast for episode one, Like you're gonna get dragged diva.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: So no, but I do think what I can say
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: is I did have a massage face when I got here,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: and I need water