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[4/4] The Three Words of Garab Dorje — 3-Day Dzogchen Retreat (Aug 2020) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_02: And it's doing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You've got that so that I'm not really in it, though, if you notice where the picture is.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're live on YouTube, and now you are live on Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the last chapter of Tsiksuna Debt.
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  SPEAKER_02: The three words that strike the heart by Garab Dorji.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is a continuation of the last couple of days teachings.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you miss them,
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  SPEAKER_02: you really should listen to the recording in order to make sense of today's,
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  SPEAKER_02: which will also be recorded.
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  SPEAKER_02: We seem to have worked out some of the technological bugs this morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we are up on Facebook as well as YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we'll see how long that lasts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dada ma zan ta ta tu sum chi.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zogchen jupi lama la sol wadib.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hergen pema june la sol wadib.
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  SPEAKER_01: Durjichang,
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  SPEAKER_01: Chitilo Narodang,
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  SPEAKER_01: Marpa Milagompo Tatapana, Pupadang, Palden, Drupasuk, Kargyo Lama Namla, Soluwa Deo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama Namla, Soluwa Deo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ndru chen Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shap chen Lama Namla Sol Vah
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  SPEAKER_01: Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ndru ng dang nyindu Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pah, Deh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pa, Kwan, Du, Jong, Dang, Yer, Me, Pa, Gwan, Garab, Dor, Jee, Jin,
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  SPEAKER_01: Tra, Pa, Jee, Ti, Dang, Nis, U, May, Pa, I, Pa, Lama, Nam, Che, Ten, Te,
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  SPEAKER_01: Che, Che.
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  SPEAKER_02: The first word is Tawa.
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  SPEAKER_02: To recognize your own true nature is the first vital point.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tawa is what we call it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just to have something to call it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called a lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sem-yi, real mind, true mind, big mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shuku, Dharmakaya, Nature of Mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shini,
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  SPEAKER_02: Great Mother Ocean of Dharmakaya, Mother Luminosity of Ground.
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  SPEAKER_02: All of this refers to the totality of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not the little bitty limited you that walks about in the day and has hangups,
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  SPEAKER_02: personality,
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  SPEAKER_02: belief systems,
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  SPEAKER_02: thoughts, hopes, fears, and is continuously compulsively obsessing with stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: This and that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obsessing with objects.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obsessing with what you think the objects are and what you think about the objects.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obsessing with how you feel about that stuff, phenomena.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's your obsession.
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  SPEAKER_02: You compulsively pay attention to that and no attention to the totality.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of the attention payer.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you miss it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oops.
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  SPEAKER_02: And by missing it, you limit yourself
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  SPEAKER_02: to being less than you could be.
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  SPEAKER_02: Much, much,
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  SPEAKER_02: much less limited by the language in which you think,
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  SPEAKER_02: the culture which has told you how a good man or woman should feel,
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  SPEAKER_02: the theories and belief systems that you have been brought up with,
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  SPEAKER_02: your hangups, your neuroses, your limitations.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's all you ever pay attention to.
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  SPEAKER_02: How's that going for you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Really?
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  SPEAKER_02: Try something else.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pick a thought, any thought, and follow it home to the thinker, your own mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not what you think about your mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not how you feel about your mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just behind the perception of your mind
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  SPEAKER_02: is something bigger than
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  SPEAKER_02: a sensory perception could possibly be,
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  SPEAKER_02: even if perceived with the Yi, your sixth sense organ.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you start there.
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  SPEAKER_02: So by following the teachings of body to align your channels
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  SPEAKER_02: and unfocus your eyeballs,
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  SPEAKER_02: you learn,
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  SPEAKER_02: you develop the ability to unfocus your attention from all the little bits of this
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  SPEAKER_02: and that that you normally obsess with
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  SPEAKER_02: into the vast
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  SPEAKER_02: open Spaciousness.
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  SPEAKER_02: The infinite vast expanse of the ground of mind itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is awareness settling into itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: The seer seeing the seer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Open awareness, Rigpa.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not even that difficult.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you are settled into the direct perception of the infinite vast expanse,
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  SPEAKER_02: the great mother ocean of mind itself, that perception, pop it.
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  SPEAKER_02: For an instant,
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  SPEAKER_02: If you are looking right at that perception,
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  SPEAKER_02: if your attention is settled into the perception of mind itself rather
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  SPEAKER_02: than what mind is thinking,
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  SPEAKER_02: feeling,
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  SPEAKER_02: or perceiving,
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  SPEAKER_02: and you pop that very perception right behind it,
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  SPEAKER_02: right where that was covering your vision and having you only see the limitation
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  SPEAKER_02: of your own perception, hawa.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hetewa,
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  SPEAKER_02: unobscured infinite openness without even the hair of concept,
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  SPEAKER_02: without even a motive feeling or a singular moment of perception.
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  SPEAKER_02: Beyond time and space in always wasness, always will beness.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's who you really are.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're going to quick cover it up again with your habitual obsession with things
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  SPEAKER_02: that come and go, such as thoughts, feelings, and perceptions, which are all moving.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Ganpa, the second word.
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  SPEAKER_02: To decide on one single thing is the second vital point.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ganpa, the meditation of Dzogchen Treksha.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is simply to return your attention again and again to Tawa.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again and again and again.
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  SPEAKER_02: At all times and on all occasions,
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  SPEAKER_02: recognize the already noticed Tawa, Dharmakaya nature of mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the doing which is done until mother and child luminosity unite.
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  SPEAKER_02: Child luminosity is this tawa that you have been shown by the teacher,
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  SPEAKER_02: that you are returning your attention to again and again.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mother luminosity of ground.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is outside of time, outside of space.
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  SPEAKER_02: We sometimes call it the fourth time,
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  SPEAKER_02: where tawa can neither be gained nor lost, but pervades all phenomena.
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  SPEAKER_02: When that happens, sopa is understood.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have seen the word sopa, the third word of Garadurji, Translated in different ways.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've seen it translated as action, but it's not something you do.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not an action.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have seen it translated as conduct, but it's not a specific set of behaviors.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I don't think either one of those translations comes anywhere near.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's just call it SOPA.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you don't have to try to use a word you already know that has meanings
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  SPEAKER_02: which doesn't mean this.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's easier to put in a new word than to change the meaning
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  SPEAKER_02: of words you already know and are quite sure of the meaning of.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what conduct is.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's how you behave, how you should behave, how you shouldn't behave.
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  SPEAKER_02: Morality.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nuh-uh, that's not soap-up.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what action means?
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  SPEAKER_02: You perform actions.
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  SPEAKER_02: You go, you get something to eat, you refill your coffee cup.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are all actions.
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  SPEAKER_02: You go to the store, it's an action.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nuh-uh, that's not what sofa means.
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  SPEAKER_02: Got nothing to do with those.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might say the spontaneous arising action of non-action Or
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  SPEAKER_02: the spontaneous arising occurrence of non-action.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to say that for SOPA.
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  SPEAKER_02: Spontaneously, automatically arising
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  SPEAKER_02: occurrence of non-action.
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  SPEAKER_02: You want a one word for it, let's call it occurrence.
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  SPEAKER_02: Automatic spontaneous occurrence.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nah, not even quite right because occurrence assumes that something Happens,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it had some stuff that led up to it,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it's going to have a sequelae afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, if I were to knock over my coffee cup, it would be because I wasn't paying attention.
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  SPEAKER_02: It would be cause.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it would certainly be a result of I'd get coffee all over my text,
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  SPEAKER_02: which might even run,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it's my only copy, because I don't know what I did with the other copies.
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  SPEAKER_02: So...
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  SPEAKER_02: That would be an occurrence.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not quite.
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  SPEAKER_02: Closer than the others, but not a banana.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very small print.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you do not have confidence in the way of liberation,
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  SPEAKER_02: If you haven't made this decision and are sure of it,
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  SPEAKER_02: to decide on one thing is the second vital point.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you haven't decided on Dzogchen and decided to go for it,
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  SPEAKER_02: with all of your umpha, it won't work.
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  SPEAKER_02: That decision matters.
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  SPEAKER_02: In fact, it is the key of the meditation practice of Dzogchen.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have to decide to do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: For example, mowing the lawn.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not going to do itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have a lawn out back that is awaiting for me to get around to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Someone once gave me a whole bunch of little round toots, but they never helped.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's still waiting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Until I actually, in the moment, decide to do it, it's not going to happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's going to do it for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mostly because the way I like it done and what gets cut down and what doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm the only one who knows that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm the gardener when I'm gardening.
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  SPEAKER_02: So... What
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  SPEAKER_02: the hell is a Maioa person who wrote in?
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  SPEAKER_02: Please clarify.
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  SPEAKER_02: So...
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  SPEAKER_02: Unless I make a decision to do that, it's...
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I don't do it, the grass isn't going to get cut down.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's all chins like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you don't decide to do the doing, you never get to the not doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: A spontaneously arising occurrence, which is not done so far.
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  SPEAKER_02: You won't get there without the doing, the decision to do the practice of gom.
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  SPEAKER_02: This should be, as I've been beaten on it for a while, becoming obvious to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, if Dzogga isn't right for you, if you don't like it, then decide to do something else.
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  SPEAKER_02: 84,000 different practices taught by only Guatama Buddha,
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  SPEAKER_02: not even counting the previous Buddhas,
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  SPEAKER_02: some of which are still around in living lineages, Pick the one you like.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if you like Zogchen, if this is what you want, you're going to have to make that decision.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you're going to have to decide it in such a way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Keep deciding it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today I will practice Gom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today I will practice Gom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now I will sit for a while.
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  SPEAKER_02: You see?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how it needs to be done.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's utterly simple.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sopa.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's try this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to hold a piece of paper up to the camera.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want you to look at it with your eyes without reading the word written on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm using two cameras.
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  SPEAKER_02: 99% of you over-educated Westerners couldn't do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: This analogy does not work with Tibetans.
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  SPEAKER_02: How long did it take you to be able to be to the point where you couldn't not read
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  SPEAKER_02: the written word if it was in front of your eyes?
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  SPEAKER_02: So you started learning to read somewhere around three with the books
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  SPEAKER_02: that your parents read you and you played with and maybe they ran their fingers
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  SPEAKER_02: under it.
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  SPEAKER_00: By the time you
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  SPEAKER_02: hit middle school,
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  SPEAKER_02: What age do they hit middle school?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, let's see, that's sixth grade, so about 12, 10, 12.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, by the time you're about 12 years old,
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  SPEAKER_02: you've reached this point where you can't look at a street sign and not read it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So 12 minus 3 is 9, took you 9 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: you may have reached this point where you couldn't not read stuff when you were 5.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you got nine years?
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of you probably do.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need about the same amount of time that it takes you to come from the point
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  SPEAKER_02: to being unable to read to the point where you can't not read a word in front
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  SPEAKER_02: of your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Probably going to notice this when you're trying to fuzz out your eyes,
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  SPEAKER_02: like in meditation,
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  SPEAKER_02: not fuzz out, but like relax your lens so that you're not focused on a point focus.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's really hard to do if your text happens to be right where your eyes fall.
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  SPEAKER_02: I always have to put something over my text or turn it upside down if I decide to do
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  SPEAKER_02: that while looking at the text.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because the moment there's a written word in front of me, I can't not read.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm one of those compulsive readers that Snowdin in a cave in
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  SPEAKER_02: the Himalayas was reading my toothpaste tube repeatedly just for something to read.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of us are like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Irregardless,
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  SPEAKER_02: the same way you learn to be unable to not read,
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  SPEAKER_02: you learn to be unable to not notice Tawa.
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  SPEAKER_02: You've done it once.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can do it again.
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  SPEAKER_02: However long and much practice it took you to learn to read is what it's going
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  SPEAKER_02: to take to get so soap up makes perfect sense to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can do it completely within your reach.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is not something that only the great tulkus and the high llamas can do.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can do it too.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just got to practice.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's all it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people intend to practice.
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  SPEAKER_02: They intend to practice GOM tomorrow, later.
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  SPEAKER_02: After I finish checking my Twitter account,
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  SPEAKER_02: the thing about the decision to practice is it has to pervade the now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Practice at all times and on all occasions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Notice the already recognized dharmakaya nature of mind, tawa.
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  SPEAKER_02: That specifically is gom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tawa, gompa, sopa.
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  SPEAKER_02: The three words.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now on to sopa.
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  SPEAKER_02: Without SOPA, which is what allows you to meditate while thinking.
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  SPEAKER_02: Instead of thinking, you start with instead of thinking.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's got to expand to include thinking because when are you having a tizzy fit?
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  SPEAKER_02: You're in the middle of thinking and feeling and emoting, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: You're reactive, you're reacting.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is this reaction according to our neuroses that we're trying to overcome,
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  SPEAKER_02: among other things.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's one of the big, big, big bits.
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  SPEAKER_02: Reacting according to the old patterns of your neuroses.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you were abused once,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're going to see it everywhere and you're going to react to abuse even
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  SPEAKER_02: when there ain't none.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah?
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  SPEAKER_02: So, by the process of Gaum,
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  SPEAKER_02: when it moves from only without thought naturally,
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  SPEAKER_02: you can't make it do this,
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  SPEAKER_02: to with thought,
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  SPEAKER_02: or rather that results from the use of pet, but you can't force it too soon.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can't miss Tawah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can read while walking and talking.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can read a street sign even while driving.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can't miss it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can't not do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: SOPA can't not happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: At that time,
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  SPEAKER_02: lust or anger,
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  SPEAKER_02: happiness or sorrow, All your suddenly arising thoughts without
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  SPEAKER_02: exception.
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  SPEAKER_02: All the written words that pass before you, there's an area, one of them, you can't not read.
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  SPEAKER_02: All your thoughts, while they're happening, you see what they're made of.
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  SPEAKER_02: You see in Tawa, as Tawa, the spontaneous arising and dissolving of thoughts while it happens.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is not the same as thinking.
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  SPEAKER_02: It arises and dissolves spontaneously right after it happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was a thought.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which also arises and dissolves spontaneously in its moment of happening.
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  SPEAKER_02: See that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ngo sheng nang la sedume.
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  SPEAKER_02: In recognition, there is no continuity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember me talking yesterday about how you need
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  SPEAKER_02: to disconnect what hooks your thoughts together?
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  SPEAKER_02: I called it putting your mind in neutral gear.
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  SPEAKER_02: Guru Rinpoche calls it shunting aside the sluice gate of your water wheel.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't have a water wheel, but you do have a car.
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  SPEAKER_02: Same difference.
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  SPEAKER_02: Still turning over,
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  SPEAKER_02: river's still flowing,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it's not turning the wheel because you shunt aside the snow skate.
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  SPEAKER_02: You put it neutral, the gears aren't engaged.
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  SPEAKER_02: This disconnection that you do as a practice, it feels as if you're doing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Once you reach SOPA, once SOPA is part of your practice,
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  SPEAKER_02: they're all like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thoughts don't have books on them.
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  SPEAKER_02: They have absolutely no substance.
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  SPEAKER_02: Look at them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Each single one arises and vanishes.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: You create the seeming illusion of continuity of thinking.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: By your belief systems, habit patterns, karmic proclivities, gex and parches.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's not natural for thoughts to stick together.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: You stick them together, it's actually a doing.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Soppa involves not refraining from that doing because I'm refraining from taking
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: a sip of coffee.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, not like that.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Not bothering with that doing.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Different from refraining.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not bothering to mow the lawn yesterday or this morning.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking to you instead.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not refraining from mowing the lawn.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just not bothering to go deal with it.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: I may not bother to go deal with it today or tomorrow.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's not that important.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: When you recognize a thought while it happens,
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: in Tawa as Tawa, there is no way for that.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: Nam talk, discursive thinking to occur.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: Thoughts still happen.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: In a dream,
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: when you dream,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: if you happen to remember one of those dreams that really does not line up
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: in any linear way whatsoever,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: and they're harder to remember than the more linear ones,
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: It appears during the dream that everything is proceeding in a logical pattern together.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: There's a continuity apparent while dreaming.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: And when you wake up and look back on that dream in your memory, what continuity?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: You were eating an apple, but it was a snail.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: But you were a snail.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Where's the continuity in that?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Were you an apple eating a snail or a snail eating an apple?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't make much sense, but that was the dream.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: No continuity.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: But in the dream, it seemed to have a great deal of continuity.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is an analogy.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: Before you actually grok Zopa, Zopa, not Zopa.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Zopa is patience.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: Before you actually grok Zopa,
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Everything seems to have a vast amount of continuity.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: In the recognition of sopa, it never did, because you woke up.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Is this starting to make a little sense?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: For me, in my practice history, this was always the hardest one to understand.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Especially by Tibetan analogies.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm giving you some Western analogies to work with,
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: Western ways of thinking to come at this ad.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a way of thinking.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: In reality, which is Tawa,
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Thoughts do not have continuity.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like writing on water with your finger, no mark is left.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like the track of a bird across the sky,
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: there is no path created in emptiness as emptiness.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yesterday,
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: actually yesterday at 3 p.m., what exactly were you thinking?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: What happens to us confused sentient beings
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: is generally in the bilblah,
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: the entanglement, of our thoughts, feelings, and perceptions.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: We pretend it's all real and outside of us.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: This is the result of the oopsie of duality.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: In the moments of arising,
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: in between each moment of existence,
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: Perceiving the rainbow-colored lights of form and phenomena
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: as they are rainbow-colored lights of form and phenomena,
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: the
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: scintillating shimmer of his own mind
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: remains
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: unignoranted,
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: a Buddha.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: Us sentient beings perceiving the rainbow colored lights that scintolate as
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: the awareness,
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: the clear light nature of our own mind is fragmented by the prism of awareness.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Think all those pretty rainbows are out there somewhere and like a kitten with
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: a laser pointer or a baby who sees a rainbow projected from Mama's Engagement ring
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: on the wall tries to reach out and grab it.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Action.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Karma.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: In the wanting which results in the grabbing,
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: karma is created in the forms and functions of the rainbow-colored lights,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: which are simply the light of your own mind.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: The clear light nature of Dharmakaya fragmented by the Sambhogakaya nature
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: of awake lucid awareness from transparent light into the multiple colored lights of
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: the rainbow.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: But it's still the same thing.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's in Dharmakaya arising in awake aliveness.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Multiple colors, forms, functions.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's not out there.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: But you think it is, so you grab at it.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: Or you get scared of it and run the other way,
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: both of which create karmas,
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: and so the experience proliferates as a result of the karmas again and again,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: and you end up full of pabchas and geeks.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Aww.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: And so we trap ourselves in samsara.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: This didn't happen once upon a time long, long ago.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: This is happening right now,
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: in between each single moment,
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: beyond time and space,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: where the true nature of mind pervades without birth or death coming or going.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: Behind every moment, between every moment, Tawa.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: Always.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: In every moment, Tawa.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Always.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's so bad.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Latong Nantok Malupa Ngose Nang La Tse Dume.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: All the suddenly arising thoughts.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever the thought is, without exception, no, you're never going to find a real one.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to try.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to send me lots of emails that go, is it like this?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like this?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like this?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not like anything.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: Keep trying to find the right way to think about it, and there isn't any.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: Give it up.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: Let go.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: All the suddenly arising thoughts,
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: if you see them for what they are as they arise,
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: there is no, never was any, cannot be any continuity.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: How do you recognize them?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: By seeing, being, Tawa while thinking.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: By recognizing the
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: liberated Dharmakaya,
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: the Dharmakaya has never been confused.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Nor has Sambhogakaya Nirmanakaya.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is the body, speech, and mind of all Buddhas.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Om.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, body, speech, mind.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Om, ah, om.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: The seed syllables that rest in the heart, throat, and forehead chakra.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: If you're into tantra.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: Or rusha.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: By recognizing the liberated Dharmakaya.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: For example, like drawing on water.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: There is no discontinuity in self-arising and self-liberating.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: There is no difference.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Rinpoche used to give an example.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: I never quite got it, but people really loved it, so I'll pass it on to you.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: When there's some guys walking in the hot weather, and they have oranges, some of them.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: Some of them don't have oranges.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: And they begin to peel and eat the oranges.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: And the guys who don't have the oranges smell the oranges.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: And they drool.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: The smelling of the oranges and the drooling from the mouth is simultaneous.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: That was Rinpoche's analogy.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps it was one of his own personal experiences.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: You smell it, you drool.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: The point being that thoughts,
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: a single nam,
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: nam talk, discursive thoughts, thoughts that talk to themselves.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: Think of it that way.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: A single point of nam
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: Has no duration.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's easier to see that they have no substance,
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: but you're accustomed to thinking that they actually have duration.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-uh.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: Little tiny ones get stuck together in Nantalk and tell a story.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: But they aren't really stuck together.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: They just seem that way.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: No thought can have duration.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: It is not the nature of thinking.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: Even feelings,
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: although the effect on the body of the chemicals released
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: by feelings may have duration,
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: the feeling itself usually needs to be repeatedly codependent.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Repeatedly stroked and cherished by continuously telling yourself the story,
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: what you're feeling that about.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: However, once a feeling has released physical chemicals, those are there until they wear off.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: We use this knowledge in working with feelings, but that's different teaching.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: So understand that whatever thoughts arise,
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: thoughts of desire, anger,
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: jealousy,
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: all of the thoughts that support and are entwined with and part of all of
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: the feelings of the five poisons, all these are your path.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: These are the ones to see.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: Look, a little pile of wood makes a little bitty flame.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: But if you have a big pile of firewood, you're going to get a big, big flame.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: The more intense the thought you can see the nature of while thinking it,
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: the more intense the feeling embroiled in that set of thoughts,
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: that you can see the nature of while it's happening.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: The further the power of that has to push you in the improvement of your practice.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: More gas to step on.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: More cylinders in the engine.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: These are all analogies.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: The firewood one was traditional.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Size matters.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_02: The bigger the thought pattern embroiled with the emotion and set of perceptions
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: that you are able to see the nature of in the moment while it's happening,
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: the deeper your meditation will go.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: So practice while shit's flying.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: Don't try to avoid life.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need to.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: In the middle of all the crap and flowers.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: If you can practice there.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: Fast path.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: You got a rocket ship between your legs.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Now, in the beginning, you need some retreat.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: Back off from life.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: You can't do this.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: When you're first starting, you don't yet have the skill.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: You shouldn't get on a big ol' Harley.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_02: When you're just learning to steer a motorcycle, start with a little 250 Honda.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Get so you kinda can handle it and you get the balance, even if it's only for a few days.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Then try the Harley.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: Fair enough?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Start by making retreat.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Start by simplifying your life.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Finish by walking back out into it.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever arises is food for the naked, empty awareness.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: All the crap.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: All the flowers.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever happens, it is all procession from the Supreme Dharmakaya.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: The
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Dharmakaya itself is awake and aware.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: And as such, the clear light nature of Dharmakaya
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: shimmers
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sparkles with phenomena.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: You want to see that?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: Practice.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Until you can't not see it any more than you can not read a written word.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: You train your thoughts.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: To include, no, that's a mistranslation.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was looking at the translation, not the text.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: You train your attention to be aware of tawa and thought simultaneously.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: By doing so, you will notice that thoughts arise and dissolve simultaneously.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: There's no duration between the arising and the dissolving.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: The arising is the dissolving.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: They lack duration.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: Don't take my word for this crap.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: Go look for yourself.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: You'll see it.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: Practice.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: So however strong the emotion embroiled with the thought or the perception
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: of embroiled with the thought that you are able to practice in,
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: that strong will be your meditative awareness.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever occurs,
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: phenomena,
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: whatever occurs,
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: perceptions,
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: thoughts about how those perceptions are happening,
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: pretend stories,
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: feelings about the stories, whatever is occurring, it's all the procession.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: Every thought, every feeling, every perception without exception.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: So stop trying to find a real one.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, go ahead.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Try to find a real one for a while.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: Eventually you'll notice.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: Ain't none.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: Without imprint and self-purifying.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, how wonderful.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to fix it.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's the cool part.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: Soap is not a doing.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: SOPA is always present.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: It is the true nature of thinking, feeling, and perceiving.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not how you think you think.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's not how you feel you feel.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not how you perceive you perceive.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: Those are illusions.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: They arise in mind and they dissolve in mind and they never had any reality outside of mind.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: The way of arising of thoughts is like the previous, like an ordinary sentient being.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: The difference is in how they are liberated.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: When you are not looking at Tawa while thinking,
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: your thoughts will catch you up in them, create an entire edifice
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: And cause you to react to what you think is happening
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: because you believe your thoughts are real.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oops.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: So look at Tawa
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: while thinking.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's all.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: Rest in Tawa as Tawa, not I Tawa, I Lena there Tawa.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: Tawa's out here somewhere.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: Nuh-uh.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, don't do that.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: Rest in Tawa.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: As Tawa at all times and on all occasions while thinking, feeling, and perceiving that is gone.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: That is the practice.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: Which leads to Sopa, which is not new and always has been present.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: You just didn't notice.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: The yogi's thought is liberated in the moment of arising because the yogi sees that that is so.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't make it so.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: Sees that that is so.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: The ordinary person does not see that that is so.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: And so they form attachments,
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: thought chains,
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: stories,
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: mind pictures,
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: feelings about the mind pictures until it gets big enough that you've got
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: to do something about it.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm?
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, don't do that.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: Watch.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do not fight yourself to refrain from action.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: We're not talking about this.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: This is not like some kind of special way of behaving.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got an itch, scratch it.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: Why not?
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_02: But while you scratch, see Tawa.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: At all times and on all occasions.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: Notice the previously recognized Dharmakaya nature of mind.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: Gone.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: It is the nature of thoughts to self liberate.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to fix them.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: You just need to watch.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: Be Tawa while thinking, and it becomes obvious that they do that.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's Sopa.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: Being able to meditate,
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: but not having Sopa,
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: not having seen, recognized Sopa, that's like the Diani of the Gods.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: It is a doing meditation.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_02: It won't free you.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_02: It'll just improve things until the improvement wears off and then they're going
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: to get all fucked up again.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's the way of the circles and the wheel.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: Up to the god realms and down to the hells and all the gray places in between.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is for when you're tired of that.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: Out, not up.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: Looking for a particular analogy in here that I think is going to be useful.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: It'll turn up.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: Knowing meditation but not sopa gets you trapped in a god realm.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: If your meditation lacks these essential points of the way of liberation
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: and confidence is placed only in indwelling thought free samadhi.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_02: In a mind made meditation.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_02: You will miss the exit.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: And land in the God realms.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: Just to recognize stillness and movement of Mahamudra and rest in the stillness is not enough.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: Krultra Naujur is necessary.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: The yoga of dancing stillness.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: We've just moved into Mahamudra for you Mahamudra folk.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_02: We're coming to Dzogchen, where it ties in.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_02: The yoga of dancing stillness,
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_02: where you see the movement as stillness and the stillness as movement.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's how Mahamudra talks about this sopa.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: So without this, meditation is just a way of delusion.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're fooling yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't
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  SPEAKER_02: fool yourself.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: Recognize Sopa.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Arising liberating, self-liberating,
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Denuded liberation.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: You can name it lots of things.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: But it is a simple matter of seeing,
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  SPEAKER_02: noticing the self-liberation of thoughts that occurs when seeing,
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  SPEAKER_02: being, tawa, while thinking.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: Gotta learn it.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: How do you learn it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why by at all times and on all occasions,
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: both on the cushion to get deeper and off the cushion at all times,
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  SPEAKER_02: recognizing the already seen Dharmakaya nature of mind.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_02: Notice Tawa while doing stuff, which will of course include thinking, feeling, perceiving.
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  SPEAKER_02: Practice that.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: This is of vital significance that all thoughts are self-liberating, purified without a trace.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: You must reveal this self-liberation to yourself.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_02: It is the extraordinary teaching of Dzogchen.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: If you have got this vital point,
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: whatever defilement and thoughts arises,
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  SPEAKER_02: whatever crap goes on in your life,
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_02: and however you think and feel about it, seeing this
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: Even non-meditation is Dharmakaya.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: This is where gama itself is transcended.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_02: But you can't make that happen.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: Wait for it.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: Practice gama and wait for it.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: Practice exactly according to the instructions.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can listen to these tapes many times to become clear on what the instructions are.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: You can ask questions to become clear on that.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: I get to my email eventually.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_02: If you do not develop confidence in SOPA by your own experience,
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: not by just hearing about it from a Lama,
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: no matter how deep your meditation is or how high your philosophical understanding,
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: it won't work.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to still be stuck in samsara.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oops.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas if you grasp the crucial point of this self arising, self liberating.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: If you actually get it.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: Establishing certainty.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_02: By your own experience is the third vital point.
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  SPEAKER_02: SOPA.
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  SPEAKER_02: You practice seeing Tawa while thinking again and again at all times and
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: on all occasions until you're absolutely sure that all thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_02: feelings,
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  SPEAKER_02: and perceptions without exception Rise in Tawa,
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: as Tawa, and dissolve in Tawa, having neither substance, duration, nor reality.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: Being sure cause I said so is pure crap.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_02: You get sure cause you saw it.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_02: If a man,
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: this is a Tibetan analogy,
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_02: if a man were to go to an island that was entirely made of gold,
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: he would be unable to find a pebble that was not made of gold.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: If you actually get sopa, you will be unable to find a single thought that has duration.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Or substance.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because they don't.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_02: But have a look for yourself.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_02: These three essential points Tawa, gompa, and sopa.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_02: And their result, which is a state of unimpeded awareness, what we often call open awareness.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's your natural state.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_02: You're just all scrunched up and crumpled On account of all this stuff you want
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_02: and all the stuff you're scared of.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_02: Anxiety crumples you.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_02: You're scared you won't get what you want.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're scared that what you don't want is going to get you.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_02: It crumples you.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, yeah.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: Relax.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: Take a deep breath.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_02: Tawa.
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  SPEAKER_02: See mind with mind.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: Gompa.
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  SPEAKER_02: Always.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_02: Sopa.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_02: See how the arisings arise in mind and dissolve in mind
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_02: and we're never anything other than mind and mind itself is no thing at all.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: So there is nothing to be afraid of.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_02: Relax.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_02: Allow yourself to uncrumple.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: Your crumples, your little scrunchy bits, those are karmas held in your channels.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: By relaxing in gom meditation.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_02: Meditation less meditation.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_02: You give them the chance to relax and unravel.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_02: And damn, it feels good.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_02: This is the bliss.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_02: The bliss states pop them.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want to get stuck in a bliss state.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_02: Pleasant though it is.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: Go on through.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_02: You can get here by learning, it says.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: That would be Madhyamika philosophy, Oma Chenbo.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's even a Dzogchen aspect of it called...
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_02: It'll come to me.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just a simple cave yogi.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember all the fancy words.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: So Tawa has actually three parts to it because it all dissolves
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: into mind-mind looking in the end because there's nowhere else to look.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's all
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_02: In the beginning,
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_02: like a mountain torrent,
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_02: bouncing from rock to rock,
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: break everything that you think is a meditation that you have acquired.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_02: In the middle, like the flow of the vast Ganges River, smooth, calm to the sea.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_02: In the end,
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_02: there's an analogy given of a snake coiled in front of you.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_02: So you're sitting,
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_02: you come out of meditation,
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_02: you look around and you notice that there's a poisonous cobra coiled in front
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_02: of you.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_02: Not a terribly unusual occurrence in India.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think they come for the warmth.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_02: What do you do?
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_02: Don't poke the snake.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_02: He's going to get hungry and wander off eventually.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_02: He's going to get cold.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_02: Something's going to interest him.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_02: Leave him alone.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: He'll crawl off.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_02: So this is talking about practice.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_02: What you don't want to do in practice is poke your mind into agitation
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_02: by trying too hard.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: Nor do you want to not try a bit.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: Find your comfortable midline.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's there.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_02: You can do it.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: Understand that Tawa is not separate from Ninji.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: It is the Dorji and Bell come together.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: It is the union.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Of method, the dance, the powo, the dhaka.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_02: The dance of form in emptiness as emptiness.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_02: This is the union of powo and khandro, of yab and yum.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is the by its bootstraps of all Buddhas of the four times,
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: assisting each other and themselves in multiplicity to arise as all Buddhas of
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_02: the four times, which is singular in nature.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Are there questions?
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go with some of them for a while.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_00: More questions about Peh.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_00: When a perception obscures the true seeing, is that the time to use Peh?
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Say more, what do you mean by a perception?
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: You mean by your dog comes and sits on your lap?
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it gives you physical sensations?
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a pen might get your dog off your lap.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_02: It works on cats.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_00: And in a similar line, so when you see and feel the vastness, do you give it a pen?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because it's a phenomena and Tawa is right behind it?
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_02: The vastness, you're feeling it.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's a feeling.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: You weren't feeling it before.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_02: You're feeling it now.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's going to go away again.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not the real one.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: The real one doesn't come and go.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's a mind-made
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_02: image of Tawa.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_02: You feel it.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_02: You perceive it.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_02: You see it.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Puppet!
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_02: And for a moment...
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_02: No thing whatsoever.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Neither seer nor seen.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of questions on recommendations for how to practice while bound
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: the burdens of karmic vision, Western lifestyle, job, family.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, practice while you're doing all that.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_02: How?
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_02: By noticing tawa.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Have a session first in the morning.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Get your tawa noticement really clear.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: If it turns up as a feeling, a perception, an idea, pop it with pet, look right behind it.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: All day.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_02: While you're doing stuff.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Especially in intense moments.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Check and see if Tawa went away or if it's still there.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Develop the habit.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Eventually you'll notice Subba.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_02: And be sure of it.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of questions about the root text.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_00: I posted links to the Lotsawa House text on YouTube and thought they had been posted
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: into Facebook.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: But can you talk a bit about Crystal Cave and why that's also a good text?
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there's two Crystal Caves.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: One is the name of a book.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the one Martin sent.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Which includes...
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_02: A copy of,
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_02: it includes many Zogchen texts,
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_02: including the text Crystal Cave,
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_02: but it also includes Patril Rinpoche's commentary on Siksuna death.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's my favorite translation because it was one of the early ones
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: and I got used to it, but I've always liked it a lot.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now wasn't there one that had the Tibetan and the English?
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_00: That was the Lotsala House League.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's what got posted.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so just go stick it up on Facebook too.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, will do.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's a decent one because it's got the Tibetan.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: So if something doesn't sound right or puzzles you,
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_02: go look up the Tibetan syllables and see what it actually said in Tibetan.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_02: The English there is nice.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_02: They've made it a bit poetic.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_02: I read through that the other night or skimmed it.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like a pretty good translation.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Translators always argue because there isn't a one-to-one correspondence.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_02: So for the text, which you now should be quite happy to read,
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_02: have at it.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Realize it is a translation.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I like including the Tibetan.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: What are pagchas and geks?
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Pagchas are karmic formations.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Gecs are literally glitches, I guess.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Imps, they're not exactly sentient, but they sometimes feel like they are.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_02: They're caught in your channels where certain things you sabotage every time
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: because you know you can't do that right.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's squeakies in the channels,
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_02: frizzy bits,
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_02: but they're also imps, little annoying little demons that nibble on things.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_02: And parchi means hindrance,
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_02: and they are considered to be karmic formations,
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_02: which are also to be found in your channel, in your energy body.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is there a historical reason why Dzogchen was a secret practice?
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_02: It still is.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_02: Those of you who are not appropriate for Dzogchen won't understand
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_02: the word I've said in these couple of days.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_02: It is self secret.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Also, it can be misunderstood.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_02: Dangerously.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_02: It can slide into nihilism, laziness,
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: and other excuses.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_02: However, pretty much anything can, so.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_02: One of my own teachers, the way they put it, Dzogchen.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Is about a man's own true nature.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_02: How could you possibly hold a man's own true nature secret from him?
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_02: You haven't the right.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Teach it freely.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Those who have a chance of understanding it will come forth and understanding it.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_02: It is self secret.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Those who are not attracted to it Will not bother to come forth
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_02: and wouldn't have understood if they did.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: So it is taught by request.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's put out there.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not appropriate for everyone.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_02: And those for whom it's inappropriate won't like it.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I keep telling you, if you don't like this teaching, then go do a different one.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's self secret.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_02: Some lineages feared it greatly.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: They feared that it would be an excuse for abandoning morality.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_02: And in fact, those who wish to abandon morality Can use it as an excuse.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Although,
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_02: to be honest,
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: those who wish to abandon morality are just going to do so whether they have
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_02: an excuse or not.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_02: So what the fuck?
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Is it possible for you to talk about your own experience on this meditation?
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Was it a long process?
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, hell yeah.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_02: 30, 40 years.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Traveling with my teacher,
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_02: translating for my teacher,
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_02: translating this teaching hundreds of times, maybe even thousands.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_02: It was his favorite one.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_02: He gave others, but this was his favorite.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Whenever anybody said, well, what do you want to teach?
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_02: He'd always say this one.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Tibetans enjoy hearing familiar teachings again and again.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_02: It reassures them.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Westerners aren't like that.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_02: They always want something new.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to give a new teaching to a Tibetan,
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_02: you hide it inside an old one, like making a sandwich.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to give an old teaching to a Westerner because they've already had it,
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_02: but they didn't get it,
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_02: You sandwich it between two new teachings, or at least change the title.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: People got tired of Tsiksuna dead,
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_02: so I have been teaching it as beginning, intermediate, and advanced loggen.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_02: It was the same teaching.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably up on the website.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because if I said Seksunadev, they'd say, oh, we had that.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_02: Westerners are very fond of new things.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_00: What does this particular practice advise for working with dream yoga or the deep sleep state?
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_02: Sleep in Tawa.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Dream in Tawa.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_02: At all times and on all occasions includes while dreaming.
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  Tawa.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Luminosity of Tawa.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Clear light nature of Dharmakaya is open awareness.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_02: The light by which the seer sees the awakeness by which the awareness is awake.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_02: Dream the symbols of the Sambhogakaya nature of mind.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Next, as we practice, does that moment of tawa then become more all-pervading?
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's exactly what happens.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_02: You begin with frequent random disconnected moments and quick glances without trying
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_02: to push the river or poke at the snake coiled in front of you.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_02: You keep doing that until at some point it's always there.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_02: The effort of glancing is no longer necessary.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Don't stop.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Continue to refresh Tawa on your meditation seat.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_02: Continue to,
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_02: it's almost like
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_02: when you have kids,
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_02: toddlers,
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_02: and you're a mom and you actually gave birth You've got this sort of kid awareness
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_02: that develops,
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_02: unless you're under extreme stress,
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: where you kind of always have one eye and one ear on the kid,
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_02: regardless of what's going on.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_02: It gets like that, like kid sense.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can always sense Tawa, no matter what's going on.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's like while driving.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Here's another analogy for those of you who aren't mamas who haven't given birth.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if this happens to dads, too.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think it depends on the culture and how they're relating to fatherhood.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_02: It happens to some dads.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_02: They get this kid sense where they're just always aware of the kid,
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_02: regardless of what else they're doing.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_02: When you're driving, you can talk.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Eat, do all sorts.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_02: I've even seen people try to read while driving.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_02: But you've still got an eye on the road.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_02: You see the road.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_02: Gets like that.
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_02: With practice.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now, when you're driving, you'll notice that your eyes are not steady on the road.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_02: They flick.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Where's my chips?
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Flick.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_02: Drink.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Flip.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a stage you pass through.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_02: It gets more like kid sense where it's just like always there.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_02: You're always aware of it.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_02: You can't not be.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_02: Depending on how well you decided to practice, how much,
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_02: How much gonzo you have for it will simply depend on how fast this happens.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_02: It can happen fast.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_02: It can happen slow.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_02: It'll happen when it happens.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_02: You can't really force it.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_02: You just keep going.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_02: When you're on your seat in the morning or in the evening,
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_02: or if you have the opportunity to make retreat during the day and you get
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_02: a mind made meditative experience, They're called Nyams.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Pop it with Pe.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like that.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Someone wanted a review of the Tibetan terms.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_00: You covered Tawa and Nam and Nyam recently,
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_00: but they also wanted just a quick repeat of Rigpa,
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Hedowa, Sopa, Gamba, and I think ninji was the other term.
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_02: Ninji.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Ning, heart.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_02: Chi, greatest, most superlative.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_02: Greatheartedness.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_02: I have heard it translated into English as compassion,
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_02: which is maybe kind of sort of close,
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_02: but greatheartedness, openheartedness is a lot closer.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's the way you feel about kittens.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_02: When a Tibetan sees a kitten,
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_02: the word that falls out of their mouth as an exclamation is,
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_02: oh ninji, heart opening.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_02: That feeling you get when you put a purring baby kitten on your heart chakra,
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_02: oh ninji.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_02: Not nearly as intellectual as compassion.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_02: What other words?
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Hetewa.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_02: Hetewa.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_02: Utter blankness.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_02: No thing whatsoever.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Sopa.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_02: The spontaneous nature of discontinuity.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_02: I just spent two hours explaining sopa.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_02: The third word of Garab Georgi.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Ganpa is the last one.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Meditation.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's easy.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_02: The specific meditation of Dzogchen sitting in Tawa as Tawa.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_02: That is Ganpa.
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Or gom.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of questions about pe with a group.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_00: If you experience a gnom but cannot use pe to pop it because you're in
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_00: a group setting, do you just ignore it?
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Let it dissolve itself?
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_00: What do you do?
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Just let it dissolve itself.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's your excuse to enjoy the bliss states when they have them.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_00: I have a mantra commitment, but would like to practice Zogchant only.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Can I be released from that, at least for now?
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_02: Discuss that with me privately over email.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a one-size-fits-all.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_02: It will depend on more knowledge, so let me know what your mantra commitment is.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll talk about that.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_00: I resonate to the topic of sabotage.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_00: How do I deal with it?
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Do you mean self-sabotage or you want to go out there and blow up some cop cars?
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think the self-sabotage you were referring to earlier when we were talking
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_00: about gex and pop chest.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's a sticky wicket.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're likely to sabotage your meditation too.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_02: Nonetheless,
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_02: if you do this practice,
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_02: you may be able to spot how the sabotage is occurring,
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_02: where you're doing that to yourself.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it may become less necessary That particular Gek or Parchi is going to be caught
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_02: in your channels.
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_02: Probably, well, just depending on where it is in you will depend on in what part of the body.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_02: There are methods for working with it directly,
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_02: but you need a greater skill at this to actually accomplish those methods.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_02: You need a pretty good skill at GOM.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_02: Probably what most people would develop in a year or so
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_02: in order to master working
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_02: with emotions.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_02: And you need to be able to master or at least get reasonably good at working
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_02: with emotions in order to approach this Xalong method because it squeaks.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_02: Which means whatever is bothering you is going to get stronger as it unravels
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_02: if you do it in a very direct manner.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_02: It won't get stronger as it unravels if you just use Gong.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_02: And it will unravel eventually.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_02: But the speedier methods tend to have side effects.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_02: So sorry.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_02: If it's still bothering you after you've been doing this for a while
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_02: and have learned working with emotions well enough to make it work at least much of
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_02: the time,
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_02: then I would recommend you do the inner body Ruchen,
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_02: which is a much more direct way of getting some of these geeks and parches out
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_02: of your channels.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Is there a technique to teach you to unfocus your eyeballs?
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_02: On a day when there are no clouds in the sky,
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_02: go sit outside or at an open window in your meditation posture and rest your eyes on
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_02: the distant above the horizon.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Going to do this in a high place is best.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_02: However,
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_02: at the seaside will do,
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_02: or the lakeshore if it's a really big lake without mountains behind it,
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_02: like the Great Lakes.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_02: What you want to be is at enough of a height that the horizon is slightly below
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_02: the point of your nose when you sit in posture.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_02: And relax your eyes on the infinite open blue sky.
• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_02: Practice that.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_02: You can find a place like that even if it's up on your roof.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_02: By practicing that, it will begin over time to assist you in relaxing your eyeballs.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_02: If you live near the shore, go down to an overlook and sit there.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_02: Look above where the water is.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_02: Into the sky.
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_02: While doing this practice, do not allow the sun to fall on your eyeballs.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Put on a hat.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Use a beach umbrella.
• 1:34:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if it's winter.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_02: No sun on the eyeballs.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_02: You can damage them.
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_02: When you do this at some point, it's quite probable that your irises will dilate.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_02: This lets in more light and if the sun comes directly in,
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_02: so you don't do this staring at the sunset watching the pretty sunset,
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_02: you can actually either damage your retina or cause heat illnesses in the body.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_02: You can also Do this by taking your closing very heavy curtains
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_02: into complete darkness in a room at night and with your eyes open,
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_02: sitting and relaxing them in the darkness.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_02: So whichever of these two is easier for you to achieve,
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_02: this can help you to relax the lenses of your eyes, the focusing mechanism.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I had it.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_00: What if our mind somehow holds the view during meditation but our body refuses to?
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_00: I do not understand
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_02: your question.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Are you having trouble sitting up?
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is it helpful to say a mantra before meditation like you do at the beginning of the teachings?
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, especially guru yoga mantra.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Prior to meditating, you should always take refuge.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Arise bodhicitta.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_02: Prior to any practice, before a session, you don't try to do this with every quick glance.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_02: Before a session, refuge, arise bodhicitta.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_02: And pray to your teacher for their blessing on your meditation.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_02: In Mahamudra, we don't have pe.
• 1:37:03
  SPEAKER_02: What we do for Nyam's stuck meditative experience in Mahamudra is pray
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_02: to our root guru out loud using the speech chakra of intent.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_02: That their blessing will enter us and get us past the nyam.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_02: And that also works.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's got to be out loud, though,
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_02: so it's not a group practice thing unless the whole group happens to be doing that.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's slower, though.
• 1:37:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's really fast.
• 1:37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Would it be helpful to create a recording of some sort to surprise you with pain
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_00: while practicing?
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because there was a good question.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a moment while I find the question I had queued up next.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_02: This view, sorry, Tawa,
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_02: this Tawa, Kompa and Sopa, is the main vision of all Buddhas of the three times.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_02: All of those who have come before,
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_02: all of those who come after, and all of those arising in the current moment.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_02: It is the highest of the vehicles, the pinnacle of the ninth yana.
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_02: It is the essential path of the heart drops.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing is beyond it.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_02: There would be no superior teaching.
• 1:39:07
  SPEAKER_02: The meaning expounded in this instruction.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Most surely is the spirit of all the esoteric teachings, self-secret,
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_02: held by lineage.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_02: By the manifestation power of awareness, the terton of the Dharmakaya, this text has arisen.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Although I don't know diddly squat about this.
• 1:39:48
  SPEAKER_02: I had a really good teacher.
• 1:39:51
  SPEAKER_02: And a really good text.
• 1:39:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is not like the ordinary treasures of gold and jewels.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_02: For they're useful around here for a little while.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_02: But not really.
• 1:40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Lots of rich people are miserable.
• 1:40:19
  SPEAKER_02: This is beyond that.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_02: The three words that strike the heart.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_02: It is the heart testament of Garabdurji.
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_02: Words from the heart.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Words from my heart.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is the deep meaning of the heart teachings.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Do not let the meaning fade away.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_02: Do not leave it lying beside the road and forget about it.
• 1:40:57
  SPEAKER_02: You may not find it again.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do practice.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Words spoken from the heart are charged with significance.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_02: Do not allow it to dissipate.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_02: It is the words of my heart, the lifeblood of my heart, and of my teacher and lineage.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Practice.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Did you find your question?
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_00: I did.
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_00: When Tawa is always recognized, how do realizations arise?
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_02: That is the realization.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_02: What on earth are you talking about?
• 1:41:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's how the question is worded.
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what you're looking for that you think is a realization.
• 1:41:53
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps you'd explain.
• 1:42:00
  SPEAKER_00: What is more vital, compassion or intellect in this practice?
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_02: Compassion, not compassion, ninji, great heartedness.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if you're smart.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need intelligence for this.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about thinking.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_02: I've taught Dzogchen to people with
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_00: mental retardation.
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_02: And they've done surprisingly well.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_02: He couldn't do mantra because he couldn't remember them.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_02: He could remember to look at his mind once he'd seen it.
• 1:42:52
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need intellect for this.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Nice if you have it.
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_02: Intellect's always a fun toy.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_02: But don't get stuck in it.
• 1:43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was just pondering a question somebody asked in the comments.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_00: What if no nyams show up?
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_02: Don't worry about it.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_02: It means you're not actually sitting there practicing.
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_02: They're pretty much inevitable.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to trance out if you sit there and actually do the practice.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is substance not first conceived by thoughts and then made matter?
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't substance affect thoughts as much as thoughts affect substance?
• 1:43:41
  SPEAKER_02: Warm?
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_02: Substance as in metal?
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_02: You come back and ask me that after you've read a bit in quantum physics.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_00: When it's like kids sense, as you were talking about earlier, is your practice complete?
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_02: But it's going damn well.
• 1:44:29
  SPEAKER_02: You're still at the point where if you stop, it'll wear off.
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_02: An oopsie that many of us have personal familiarity with.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is awareness itself made of light?
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_02: Light is an analogy for awareness.
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_02: The word awareness, see-er.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Rigpa.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_02: The awareness by which the seer sees that innate vitality of aliveness is called clear light.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_02: It is not made of anything.
• 1:45:34
  SPEAKER_02: It is neither wavelengths nor photons.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 1:45:42
  SPEAKER_00: There are some more general questions.
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'll try a few.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:45:52
  SPEAKER_00: I would, let's see.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_00: I would like to know if there is any group that follows the teachings
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_00: of this lineage in South America.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_00: I believe there's many people there.
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:46:10
  SPEAKER_02: Contact...
• 1:46:12
  SPEAKER_02: Martin, he should know most about it.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Norbu Rinpoche's groups,
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Norbu Rinpoche and my teacher, Wangdor Rinpoche, had the same teacher.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the same lineage,
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_02: but there are some differences in interpretation between my teacher
• 1:46:34
  SPEAKER_02: and Norbu Rinpoche.
• 1:46:36
  SPEAKER_02: They were good friends.
• 1:46:38
  SPEAKER_02: But when ticked off of him, he used to call my teacher an old cowboy.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_02: Norbu Rinpoche was a very well-educated, from a high family.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_02: My teacher, Wangdur Rinpoche, was an old cowboy.
• 1:46:54
  SPEAKER_02: Old herding family.
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_02: Nomads.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_02: Never finished college.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_02: The Chinese came before he could finish getting his Kenpo degree.
• 1:47:05
  SPEAKER_02: Not a scholar.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_02: So there will be differences in approach among those people,
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_02: but not differences really in lineage.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's still Nigma.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's still pretty much the same.
• 1:47:22
  SPEAKER_02: So look for Norbu Rinpoche's people in South America.
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_02: If you're in Brazil,
• 1:47:29
  SPEAKER_02: Annie Jampa,
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_02: old cave yogi from the caves in Solpema, is in northern Brazil and teaches.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_02: She's wild.
• 1:47:41
  SPEAKER_02: Don't go making a commitment to her until you've gotten to know her.
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_02: She is a very distinct personality.
• 1:47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Not the same as mine, but we're sisters.
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_02: Same teacher, same lineage.
• 1:47:54
  SPEAKER_02: She was also a student of Chattutoku.
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_02: So again, there will be difference in method.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_02: Each teacher has their own way of expressing it.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_02: Even within the same lineage,
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_02: like Wongdor Rinpoche,
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_02: nomad herdsman background,
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_02: and Norbu Rinpoche,
• 1:48:18
  SPEAKER_02: high-level aristocratic, well-educated family background, intelligentsia.
• 1:48:27
  SPEAKER_02: The way of expression will be different.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_02: The lineage and what is being expressed will be the same.
• 1:48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_00: Can you give some instructions on making a meditation sash?
• 1:48:45
  SPEAKER_02: It should be made of,
• 1:48:47
  SPEAKER_02: depending on if you're a nun or monk,
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_02: in which case it should be saffron-colored cotton,
• 1:48:58
  SPEAKER_02: relatively heavy cotton,
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_02: or a nagmo,
• 1:49:04
  SPEAKER_02: In which case tradition is red raw silk,
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_02: silk that has been harvested without killing the silkworm.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's called brie.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_02: However,
• 1:49:18
  SPEAKER_02: the material of which it's made is not that important,
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_02: and I have used synthetics,
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_02: cottons,
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_02: silks, silky-like, fake raw silk, and all sorts of things, and it works just fine.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_02: You can even use a particularly long guitar strap.
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_02: It needs to be long enough to reach from the top of your top knot,
• 1:49:42
  SPEAKER_02: which is probably a couple of inches above the top of your head,
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_02: to the floor twice, twice your length, including your hair.
• 1:49:55
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got a big afro, it'll be even longer.
• 1:50:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're supposed to include the hair.
• 1:50:06
  SPEAKER_02: It should be the width of your palm.
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_02: And stiff enough that it doesn't roll.
• 1:50:20
  SPEAKER_02: So you can put lining or facing inside.
• 1:50:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then you just tie it wherever you want it for wherever you're going to put it.
• 1:50:32
  SPEAKER_02: There are different embroideries that are occasionally put on one of the ends,
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_02: such as a blue swastika.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_02: We had them long before the Nazis.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_02: They're ours, give it back.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean the Tibetans and the Bon.
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_02: They have beautiful symbolic meanings.
• 1:51:01
  SPEAKER_02: However, if you feel uncomfortable with them, a double dorgie will fulfill the same function.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_00: How best to practice in retreat?
• 1:51:18
  SPEAKER_00: What is your schedule recommendation?
• 1:51:21
  SPEAKER_02: So summer retreat schedule,
• 1:51:24
  SPEAKER_02: as it is now summer here in the Northern Hemisphere, is up on the website.
• 1:51:30
  SPEAKER_02: And please use it as a reference.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to give you winter retreat schedule because that's not up on the website.
• 1:51:39
  SPEAKER_02: If someone would like to type it up and send it to me,
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'll bet it and put it up on the website because it's winter in South America and
• 1:51:49
  SPEAKER_02: in Africa and in Australia, where some of you may be.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_02: And if not, winter is coming in the Northern Hemisphere.
• 1:52:00
  SPEAKER_02: Winter, you still get up before dawn.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_02: Generally,
• 1:52:06
  SPEAKER_02: you fill a very good thermos with tea before you go to bed,
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_02: so it's still hot when you do that.
• 1:52:15
  SPEAKER_02: You warm yourself with a cup of tea and practice until dawn.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_02: Dawn is late in winter, so that can be quite a long session there.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_02: The quiet time.
• 1:52:34
  SPEAKER_02: Before birdsong.
• 1:52:40
  SPEAKER_02: You get up and do this.
• 1:52:43
  SPEAKER_02: Once it's getting time for the sun to come up,
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_02: you stop,
• 1:52:47
  SPEAKER_02: you make a fire,
• 1:52:48
  SPEAKER_02: you light the stove, you make your breakfast, you eat your breakfast.
• 1:52:54
  SPEAKER_02: After breakfast,
• 1:52:55
  SPEAKER_02: you have another session Until probably about 11 o'clock in the morning
• 1:53:03
  SPEAKER_02: when it's time to prepare lunch.
• 1:53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Lunch is your main meal of the day and you want to eat it around noon.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_02: So give yourself time to cook something nice.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_02: It should be your main large meal.
• 1:53:22
  SPEAKER_02: Vegetables, lentils, a grain, whatever you're going to do.
• 1:53:31
  SPEAKER_02: After lunch is the time in winter for getting stuff together.
• 1:53:41
  SPEAKER_02: If you gotta do a laundry,
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_02: you gotta sweep up a bit, clean up after lunch, you know, read a little book.
• 1:53:49
  SPEAKER_02: You probably don't need a nap in winter.
• 1:53:54
  SPEAKER_02: After your after lunch full of the main meal of the day food,
• 1:54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Around 2 or 3 p.m., depending on your latitude, you make a session.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_02: This session in the middle of winter,
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_02: if you're at a fairly far latitude, will last until just before sunset.
• 1:54:20
  SPEAKER_02: At sunset, you'll stop, have a cup of tea,
• 1:54:28
  SPEAKER_02: And then make another session after sunset.
• 1:54:33
  SPEAKER_02: When you finish that session, you reheat leftovers from lunch, adding liquid to be a soup.
• 1:54:43
  SPEAKER_02: You drink that, enjoy that, make your last session and go to bed.
• 1:54:50
  SPEAKER_02: So there's two sessions after dark and one before dawn.
• 1:54:55
  SPEAKER_02: Then there's one after dawn before noon and one in the late afternoon.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_02: It depends on when the sun is going down.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_02: If you can get two in in the afternoon with a cup of tea in the middle, go ahead.
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_02: But usually around three o'clock when it's time to start up from a noon lunch again,
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_02: the light is already yellow in winter.
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_02: And sunset comes around five, so you really have about time for one good session.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_02: If you are doing Zogchen,
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_02: each one of the sessions I've stated should be broken into pieces,
• 1:55:45
  SPEAKER_02: especially in the beginning,
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_02: maybe even three pieces,
• 1:55:49
  SPEAKER_02: with a cup of tea in between,
• 1:55:52
  SPEAKER_02: A go for a piss in between, a get up and stretch in between.
• 1:55:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because in Dzogchen, in the beginning, you want more frequent short sessions.
• 1:56:03
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas if you're doing sadhana, you can sit for long sessions.
• 1:56:09
  SPEAKER_02: So again, that's how you modify it depending on what you're doing.
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the winter schedule.
• 1:56:19
  SPEAKER_02: Any questions on that?
• 1:56:22
  SPEAKER_00: On the retreat schedule?
• 1:56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:56:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm checking comments.
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see any real questions about details.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'll get winter schedule.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_02: If somebody happens to type that out from hearing it or whatever for me,
• 1:56:39
  SPEAKER_02: just to save me a little effort, I'll try to get winter schedule up on the website.
• 1:56:44
  SPEAKER_02: If you compare it with summer,
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_02: summer has a longer day,
• 1:56:47
  SPEAKER_02: less stuff happening after dark,
• 1:56:50
  SPEAKER_02: You end up eating your supper at sunset,
• 1:56:53
  SPEAKER_02: because sunset's a lot later, like eight or nine o'clock.
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_02: You definitely have a couple of sessions after lunch with a tea break in between.
• 1:57:02
  SPEAKER_02: That summer session, and it's by the length of the day.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_02: Tibetans didn't have wristwatches.
• 1:57:10
  SPEAKER_02: Everything's by where the sun is.
• 1:57:13
  SPEAKER_02: Your meals are at dawn.
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_02: High noon.
• 1:57:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you usually have a little snack with tea at sunset if you're going to have supper later.
• 1:57:28
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 1:57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Body posture, bond pose, put left leg on top.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is this a mistake or are leg positions interchangeable?
• 1:57:39
  SPEAKER_02: It depends on gender.
• 1:57:43
  SPEAKER_02: If you are female,
• 1:57:46
  SPEAKER_02: And have your channels in the typical female pattern among the bond left leg is
• 1:57:53
  SPEAKER_02: on top.
• 1:57:56
  SPEAKER_02: Now I know women who study bond who happen to have their channels in
• 1:58:04
  SPEAKER_02: the male pattern reversed and they're not butch.
• 1:58:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not about where your
• 1:58:15
  SPEAKER_02: Whether you choose to live as male or female, it's not about whether you're a dyke or straight.
• 1:58:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about where you are on the spectrum of masculinity and femininity.
• 1:58:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a physiological where your channels are.
• 1:58:34
  SPEAKER_00: There is one question.
• 1:58:35
  SPEAKER_00: How long is a session if you're following a retreat schedule?
• 1:58:40
  SPEAKER_02: If you're practicing Dzogchen, it's about 10%.
• 1:58:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, 7% longer than is comfortable.
• 1:58:49
  SPEAKER_02: You figure it out.
• 1:58:50
  SPEAKER_02: It varies person to person.
• 1:58:54
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I said some of these, what I gave in retreat as a single session.
• 1:59:00
  SPEAKER_02: If you're new at this,
• 1:59:01
  SPEAKER_02: you're going to break it into much more pieces with little breaks in between.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_02: Get up, stretch, go outside, look at the view, come back, sit down again.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_02: You see,
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_02: if you try to make a session too much longer than you really can,
• 1:59:20
  SPEAKER_02: you're just going to sit there, think about what you're going to cook for lunch.
• 1:59:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you might as well get up and do something.
• 1:59:28
  SPEAKER_02: But don't stop meditating when you get up and
• 1:59:32
  SPEAKER_00: do something.
• 1:59:34
  SPEAKER_00: Gaom.
• 1:59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:59:38
  SPEAKER_00: Can you practice Dzogchen without having done the preliminaries?
• 1:59:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 1:59:43
  SPEAKER_02: If you can practice Dzogchen, You can practice Sogchen.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need my permission.
• 1:59:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's your own nature you're looking at, your own mind.
• 1:59:55
  SPEAKER_02: You have every right to look at your own mind.
• 1:59:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's yours.
• 1:59:58
  SPEAKER_02: Of course you can.
• 2:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: Now, you certainly may.
• 2:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: Can you?
• 2:00:07
  SPEAKER_02: Try it and see.
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: If you can't, have some preliminaries.
• 2:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: Most people can.
• 2:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: Some people benefit from the preliminaries.
• 2:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: I had to do them twice,
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: all hundred thousand,
• 2:00:26
  SPEAKER_02: because the first time didn't work, according to my dear teacher.
• 2:00:33
  SPEAKER_02: So some people benefit greatly from them.
• 2:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: Usually, and he didn't even make me do them until
• 2:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't getting it.
• 2:00:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'd done them already.
• 2:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: But when I wasn't getting Zogchen, it's like, oh, it didn't work.
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do it again.
• 2:01:04
  SPEAKER_02: So see for yourself whether you can.
• 2:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: You certainly may.
• 2:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 2:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: Martin just said he's doing translations for the retreat schedule to go up on the website.
• 2:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, great.
• 2:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: Let me look at the English the way it's gotten typed before it goes up in Spanish.
• 2:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: But probably it's right.
• 2:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, Martin, you've been out there.
• 2:01:35
  SPEAKER_02: You've made retreats.
• 2:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead and put it up.
• 2:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm talking about.
• 2:01:41
  SPEAKER_02: You bet it.
• 2:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: Anything left?
• 2:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: A number of questions left.
• 2:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them covered the same ground.
• 2:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, look for new ones.
• 2:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: Can you, I'll wait till you finish swallowing.
• 2:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell us, oh,
• 2:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: please tell us about your Tibetan name,
• 2:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeshi Keta, how to pronounce it, what it means, how you received it.
• 2:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: I received it when I took refuge with Lama Tukten Yeshi.
• 2:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the first coupon course I did,
• 2:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: way back when I was just a kid, I think I might have been 20?
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: Just a little one.
• 2:02:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeshi is primordial wisdom.
• 2:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: K is speech.
• 2:02:44
  SPEAKER_02: Tup.
• 2:02:46
  SPEAKER_02: Is can capable?
• 2:02:52
  SPEAKER_02: Primordial wisdom can talk, is what it means.
• 2:02:59
  SPEAKER_02: I've never seen a need to get a new one.
• 2:03:04
  SPEAKER_02: It seems to fit.
• 2:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: Can the practice of Trektu alone lead you to full liberation?
• 2:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: And if so, then what is the purpose of visualization such as Ruchenne?
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: The practice of Trektu alone can certainly lead you to liberation,
• 2:03:28
  SPEAKER_02: totally and all the way, even to rainbow body.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: However,
• 2:03:35
  SPEAKER_02: if you get hung up in that practice and you can't really get something working,
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_02: Ruchen gets your shorts off the bit of wire of the fence you're climbing over.
• 2:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: And just as Ruchen is to unhook your shorts.
• 2:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: Not everyone needs to do Ruchen.
• 2:04:00
  SPEAKER_02: But if you feel stuck, if Trechard's not quite doing it for you, a Ruchen can help.
• 2:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: Different ones of the Ruchen's can help you get over certain places.
• 2:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: The speech rushen,
• 2:04:12
  SPEAKER_02: speech is the chakra of intent,
• 2:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: can be very helpful for your focus and concentration,
• 2:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: for your being able to follow through on your intent to practice on your decision.
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: If you're having trouble with the follow through,
• 2:04:33
  SPEAKER_02: speech rushen,
• 2:04:36
  SPEAKER_02: when you've got A lot of geks and parches interfering with your practice.
• 2:04:44
  SPEAKER_02: Inner body rushen is very effective to get those out,
• 2:04:50
  SPEAKER_02: but I won't teach it to anyone who hasn't done working with emotions,
• 2:04:54
  SPEAKER_02: and I won't teach working with emotions to anyone who hasn't gotten at least
• 2:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: a basic grounding in the nature of mind and toa.
• 2:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: So that they can,
• 2:05:05
  SPEAKER_02: and gompa and sopa,
• 2:05:07
  SPEAKER_02: so that they can see the nature of thought while thinking, at least occasionally.
• 2:05:15
  SPEAKER_02: And that's because side effects.
• 2:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want anybody going crazy, and I'm not sitting on you to fix it if you do.
• 2:05:26
  SPEAKER_02: If you were, you know, in the retreat hut next door.
• 2:05:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm a little bit more cautious working long distance like this.
• 2:05:38
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want too many people flipping out and going nuts.
• 2:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: Which you can with these practices, guys.
• 2:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: Dharma is not safe.
• 2:05:53
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody ever said it was.
• 2:05:57
  SPEAKER_02: Jumping out the window Of a house is not safe.
• 2:06:05
  SPEAKER_02: However, when the house is on fire, it may be less dangerous than staying in there.
• 2:06:12
  SPEAKER_02: Consider the suffering of samsara.
• 2:06:20
  SPEAKER_02: I would say that dharma is safer than not dharma.
• 2:06:34
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: What are your suggestions on practicing sexuality and Dzogchen?
• 2:06:46
  SPEAKER_02: Practice morality and your sexuality, no raping.
• 2:06:50
  SPEAKER_02: Consenting adults only.
• 2:06:57
  SPEAKER_02: Professionals are fine, but don't try to bushwhack anybody into it.
• 2:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: Professionals have made their own choices,
• 2:07:04
  SPEAKER_02: but I would be a little careful to make sure they weren't being trafficked.
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: Generally, do not abuse people nonconsensually through your sexuality.
• 2:07:27
  SPEAKER_02: And if you hold relationship vows,
• 2:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever they are,
• 2:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: monogamy,
• 2:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: condom use outside of monogamy,
• 2:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: whatever you promised with whatever partners you have, keep it.
• 2:07:47
  SPEAKER_02: Keep those promises and pay a little attention
• 2:07:50
  SPEAKER_02: to whatever promises whoever you're considering having sex with is also holding
• 2:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: and be aware that they lie.
• 2:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: So a married guy who says it's okay, my wife's okay with being poly, get her phone number.
• 2:08:07
  SPEAKER_02: Ask her.
• 2:08:12
  SPEAKER_02: And if it's Tibetan and has short hair,
• 2:08:17
  SPEAKER_02: ask around if it's a monk or not,
• 2:08:19
  SPEAKER_02: regardless of what they tell you, and don't be having monks.
• 2:08:25
  SPEAKER_02: Seven years bad luck, take the cherry off a monk.
• 2:08:30
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do it.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell us about Ekidzadi and her relation to Zogchen?
• 2:08:41
  SPEAKER_00: She is the protectress
• 2:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: of Zogchen.
• 2:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: Queen of the Mamos.
• 2:08:50
  SPEAKER_02: Not particularly a safe protector to cultivate.
• 2:08:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you have a hindrance No matter how fond of that hindrance you may be,
• 2:09:04
  SPEAKER_02: even to the point of having married it, she will remove hindrances from your life.
• 2:09:16
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 2:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: You said Zhang Chen is 3,000 years old?
• 2:09:23
  SPEAKER_00: 30,000.
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_00: 30,000.
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_00: Can you explain or say more?
• 2:09:26
  SPEAKER_02: Bond lineage.
• 2:09:27
  SPEAKER_02: Buddha before this one.
• 2:09:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: Will you be doing the emotions teaching this year?
• 2:09:38
  SPEAKER_00: You've done it twice at least.
• 2:09:40
  SPEAKER_02: I've done it twice, and I will do it again.
• 2:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: Whether I do it before January 1st is unclear at the moment.
• 2:09:50
  SPEAKER_02: But I will do it again relatively soon.
• 2:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: It'll depend on how many people are signed up for it.
• 2:09:57
  SPEAKER_02: And if you're new to Trek Chips,
• 2:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: You better get good at it by the time you do the emotions retreat
• 2:10:06
  SPEAKER_02: because you need SOPA.
• 2:10:11
  SPEAKER_02: You apply SOPA to the emotions.
• 2:10:18
  SPEAKER_02: So you better have at least an inkling of what it is by your own experience,
• 2:10:24
  SPEAKER_02: even if you haven't developed absolute certainty yet.
• 2:10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Just to do the emotions retreat.
• 2:10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Certain practices build on other practices.
• 2:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is the basic one.
• 2:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Since Dzogchen is the highest jhana, our lower jhanas, I.e.
• 2:10:58
  SPEAKER_00: visualization not as good for attaining Buddhahood.
• 2:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: They're just as good.
• 2:11:04
  SPEAKER_00: They may not be as fast.
• 2:11:08
  SPEAKER_02: The best one for you for attaining Buddhahood is the one you can and will do.
• 2:11:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's the key.
• 2:11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Can and will do.
• 2:11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Do that one.
• 2:11:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's the best one for you.
• 2:11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Dharma is not a bathrobe.
• 2:11:37
  SPEAKER_02: One size does not fit all.
• 2:11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Can you explain the importance of keeping the eyes open during practice?
• 2:11:50
  SPEAKER_02: You continue your practice when you get up and walk around.
• 2:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: You don't make a difference between the meditation on your cushion and
• 2:11:58
  SPEAKER_02: the meditation moving about.
• 2:12:01
  SPEAKER_02: If you were to meditate with your eyes closed and you got up with your eyes closed,
• 2:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: you would probably bump into furniture.
• 2:12:09
  SPEAKER_02: So therefore, you keep them open.
• 2:12:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's to avoid bumping into the furniture, of course.
• 2:12:18
  SPEAKER_02: Practical.
• 2:12:21
  SPEAKER_02: Actually,
• 2:12:21
  SPEAKER_02: there's more esoteric reasons in other and different practices
• 2:12:26
  SPEAKER_02: and advanced practices, but I'm not going into that there.
• 2:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: One other practice question.
• 2:12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Off-cushion practice to check for Tala, I didn't get the quick glance check.
• 2:12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is that a peripheral vision check?
• 2:12:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's a mental check.
• 2:12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Glance was an analogy.
• 2:12:49
  SPEAKER_02: Just as when you drive,
• 2:12:52
  SPEAKER_02: you glance at the road or you glance at the map,
• 2:12:57
  SPEAKER_02: that's an analogy for the quickness looking there but not staring at it.
• 2:13:04
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not actually an eye glance.
• 2:13:08
  SPEAKER_02: It is a shift of awareness from point focus
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  SPEAKER_02: To the open vastness of natural mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Quickly.
• 2:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: Without grabbing it or attempting to dwell on it.
• 2:13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 2:13:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the...
• 2:13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:13:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is almost two and a half hours.
• 2:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 2:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: But we want to do the best we can to satisfy people with these teachings.
• 2:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: The rest is up to you guys.
• 2:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Practice.
• 2:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ge-wandi-nyur-du-dal,
• 2:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Che-che-che-sa-la-go-pa-sho.
• 2:14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for joining me.
• 2:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for your practice.
• 2:14:29
  SPEAKER_02: If any of you are interested in merging your practice with one of the yogis,
• 2:14:34
  SPEAKER_02: because you're at a stage in your life right now where you have more money
• 2:14:38
  SPEAKER_02: than time,
• 2:14:41
  SPEAKER_02: where you are in your career and the raising of a family and shaking loose 25 bucks
• 2:14:46
  SPEAKER_02: a month is a lot easier than shaking loose several hours a day.
• 2:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: We have a program where we match up
• 2:15:00
  SPEAKER_02: Western meditators who don't have time
• 2:15:03
  SPEAKER_02: to really meditate as much as they'd like and Tibetan meditators up in the caves
• 2:15:10
  SPEAKER_02: and up in the mountains who don't have the money to go into retreat for as long
• 2:15:16
  SPEAKER_02: as they'd like because they need to buy food.
• 2:15:20
  SPEAKER_02: We match them up solving each other's problems and so The results of
• 2:15:27
  SPEAKER_02: the practice are also merged.
• 2:15:31
  SPEAKER_02: If you're interested in doing this,
• 2:15:33
  SPEAKER_02: in sponsoring one of the yogis,
• 2:15:35
  SPEAKER_02: or yoginis,
• 2:15:36
  SPEAKER_02: actually,
• 2:15:37
  SPEAKER_02: they're mostly women,
• 2:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: please send me an email about that and we'll sort it out how best for you.
• 2:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: If you wish to offer Dana for these teachings,
• 2:15:50
  SPEAKER_02: if you have enjoyed them, There's a button on my website.
• 2:15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Please feel free to visit it.
• 2:15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Martin, translate this.
• 2:16:00
  SPEAKER_02: If you have been receiving these teachings in Spanish, please support your translator.
• 2:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, you would not be receiving these teachings in Spanish.
• 2:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: There is either a button on the website.
• 2:16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Or someone will write up in here.
• 2:16:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're putting a button on the website.
• 2:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it got there yet, but I think it did.
• 2:16:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is up there.
• 2:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: It is up.
• 2:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 2:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's a button on the website for the translator.
• 2:16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Please use it,
• 2:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: even if you heard this in English,
• 2:16:33
  SPEAKER_02: if you appreciate for bodhisattva reasons that people whose English is not to
• 2:16:40
  SPEAKER_02: the level of yours We're able to hear and understand it
• 2:16:45
  SPEAKER_02: with simultaneous translation.
• 2:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Please support that.
• 2:16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for your attention.
• 2:16:55
  SPEAKER_02: And in advance, thank you for your practice.
• 2:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: We are complete.
• 2:17:05
  SPEAKER_02: May all beings be liberated.
• 2:17:16
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• 2:17:20
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