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The 62 Million Men Rape Academy Viral Lie Fueling the Gender War · Too Awkward for a Twosome

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In-person participant 1: $67 each we also created the parasite detox blueprint at $37 and this is actually the exact protocol And while you're there sign up for the newsletter You'll get the weekly action steps and new tools. We've tested ourselves. Let's get back to the episode Johnna: Yeah. No, we do. I think that I didn't want to take the time to whatever. So and I don't care. I don't care that y'all are seeing me in my bathroom. This is like real life shit. Yeah, that's right. So what are we talking about today? Because this is a doozy and it's Clint and I might potentially strangle each other. Elevated Life: That's how we reach more people who are ready for change. You can also find everything at CJElevatedLife.com. All right, let's keep going. Clint - Mic: You'll get the weekly action steps and new tools we've tested ourselves. Let's get back to the episode. Clint: Real-life shit here. Yeah, what are we? ⁓ Strangle each other. Johnna: over so or maybe not I mean I think we've worked out some of our kinks pre pre-record which I think yeah ⁓ you want to fight ⁓ well we all know that I might Clint: I hope not because I would like to get into it. Yeah, but I'm not gonna strangle you Alright so you want to set the stage Yeah, today we are talking about, and I saw this circulating on social media like a couple of days ago. And it just kind of piqued my curiosity and... Johnna: Yeah, today we are talking about and I saw this circulating on social media like a couple of days ago and it just kind of piqued my curiosity and as I was kind of metabolizing it, I thought where is this coming from? Where is the story coming from? And is this actually fucking real? Because if it is, we have an issue and if it isn't, we have an issue. Clint: is kind of metabolizing it, I thought, where is this coming from? Where is this story coming from? And is this actually fucking real? Because if it is, we have an issue. And if it isn't, we have an issue. So we're talking about the 62 million men that allegedly were in a rape academy. Johnna: So we're talking about the 62 million men that allegedly were in a rape academy. ⁓ What do you say this morning? They have a master's degree in sleep rate rape, right? Like, let's talk about that. What is it you drug your partner and your wife is what was being said. And then you rape her, basically. Clint: you say this morning they have a master's degree in sleep right yeah yeah right let's talk about that what is it you drug your partner and your wife is what was being said and then you break up and I had so many people that I really respect in the enlightened spiritual community coming out men and women Johnna: And I had so many people that I really respect in the enlightened spiritual community coming out men and women just saying how awful this was and you know how men suck. And I thought and I mentioned it to Clint yesterday and I was like I really want to like dig into this because Clint: Horrifying ⁓ Johnna: Well, for what I said before, if this is, you know, real, this is OK. Like, I'm definitely going to my planet of origin. I'm not staying on Earth anymore. And if not, I'm definitely going to my planet of origin. I'm staying here because that's a really fucked up thing to put out there that isn't true. And turns out in my research this morning, ⁓ the numbers are skewed. Clint: And if not, I'm definitely going to my plan for abortion. Because that's a really fucked up thing to Johnna: Yeah. So what do you want to say for an opener? you have anything to say? Clint: Well, I mean, I think it's just echoing kind of what we already said when you when you told me that yesterday, I was like, there's there's no way that's accurate because that just that would blow my mind that 62 because that would mean 62 million guys are actively participating, not even just right. They got. Yeah, they they completed the course. Yeah. Johnna: certified. They got a certification. Yeah. Yeah. Clint: which means there's gotta be so many more that are dabbling, you know, that haven't completed. Yeah, yeah, they're just auditing it, so they're just getting some of the information but not going through everything, which ultimately means it's like everybody. Yeah, like what's the math? So. Johnna: Right, that haven't failed the course. Yeah, like what's the math? Clint: just doing some quick math and granted this is claiming worldwide. You know, so the numbers aren't quite accurate, but because we're talking about, you know, it's hard for us to comprehend what 62 million people would even be. And. Johnna: Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if they hang their certifications on the wall. I'm not trying to make this light, but you guys need to listen to this because there's a story. Clint: You guys need to listen to this. Yeah, so basically if you just put that down into the population of the United States, and you know there's some controversy, but for easy math, we're saying let's say there's 360 million people in the United States, roughly that. Roughly half are men, roughly half are women. So we're talking about 180 million men. And this runs the gamut from Johnna: roughly half Clint: born one second ago to just celebrated their 105th birthday. You know, we're talking to everything. So even at that number. That means one in three males in the United States that gives you about 60 million. So one in three dudes of every age range. And then if you bring it down to, you know, I don't think people are claiming like seven year olds are doing this. You know, it was targeted specifically at married men, but it could be absolutely be applicable to any guy, you know, cause it's still the same thing. But you know, when you bring that down, that... Johnna: Right, sure. Right. ⁓ Clint: ends up being of you know the age range that this would be happening if you take off the 105 year old and the two year old we're talking almost every adult male in the united states would be about 60 million roughly and this is worldwide again right but just to get a uh to comprehend what that number is you know that's astronomically high yeah like unsustainably Johnna: Yeah. And this is worldwide again. So obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like unsustainably. Like massive issue. Yeah. Like. So. I want to talk about this. So there is a site called Motherless that hosts porn videos of people being murdered, pirated movies, millions of videos of immoral things. The site in total got. Clint: 62 million page views in the month of December. There's a category of porn on the site called sleep sleep, which is about it has like 20,000 videos of men raping unconscious women on that site. There was a thousand men. Johnna: 62 million page views in the month of December. There is a category of porn on the site called Sleep Sleep, which is about it has like 20,000 videos of men raping unconscious women. On that site, there was a thousand men in this Clint: in this specific telegram chat called ZZZ where members shared this information, the group contained a thousand men. So this is a CNN report that was misstated that 62 million men graduated from rape school. Johnna: specific telegram chat called ZZZ where members shared this information. The group contained a thousand men. So this is a CNN report that was misstated that 62 million men graduated from rape school when really and I'm not trying to Clint: When really, and I'm not trying to, you know, what do I want to say? Minimize, right. Minimize this, a thousand men were involved in this specific chat room. Because even that is horrific. I mean, one dude being involved is not okay. But totally different. Totally different. is being spewed across social media that 62 million men Johnna: you know, what do I want to say? Minimize. Yes. Minimize this that a thousand men were involved in this specific chat room. Totally. but totally different than what is being spewed across social media that 62 million men got their cert in this rape. Rape in their wives. And so we just started talking about how, well, we started talking about a lot of things with this because when I first saw it, Clint: about their search in this. In raping their wives. And so we just started talking about how. When I first saw it, you know, we talk about all the time how your triggers are your trauma points that you need to dig within. So when I first saw it, was like, know, I just, and I had to, you know, think about it and then and then go, okay, is this true? I should probably do more research because turns out everything that you see on social media is not true. Johnna: you know, we talk about all the time how your triggers are your trauma points that you need to dig within. So when I first saw it, I was like, huh, you know, fucking dudes, I just, hmm. And I had to, you know, think about it and then and then go, Okay, is this true? I should probably do more research because turns out everything that you see on social media is not true. Right? but I had some, you know, people that I really respect other things that they say about divine masculine and feminine coming out and spewing this number. And what I've kind of deduced is that Any way the powers that be can divide the population, whether it's with politics, your gender, your skin color, they do a really good job. And this is just another way that I've seen men come out and go, these effing feminists, this is just another and spewing all of their trauma onto the internet. And then women, Clint: your gender, your skin color, they do a really good job. And this is just another way that I've seen men come out and go, he's effing feminist. This is just another. Johnna: And this is just another way that I've seen men come out and go, these effing feminists, this is just another ⁓ and all of their trauma onto the internet. And then women, ⁓ Clint: And this just another way that I've seen ⁓ ⁓ out go, he's effing feminist. This is just another. ⁓ and spewing all of their trauma onto the internet and then women going, okay, this is why we hate men. and spewing all of their trauma onto the internet and then women going, okay, this is why we hate men. And, I just feel like it was perfectly timed because women right now are already just bewildered with what has happened with the Epstein files. Now there were scandalous women involved in those. Johnna: going, okay, this is why we hate men. going, okay, this is why we hate men. I just feel like it was perfectly timed because women right now are already just bewildered with what has happened with the Epstein files. Now there were scandalous women involved in those files as well. ⁓ but we're already like have the ick, right? So then this article is dropped. Clint: But we're already like have the ick, right? So then this article is dropped and it's just fueled this ⁓ gender war. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. So what do you have to say about that? Like I want to know, let's dig into this. Johnna: And it's just fueled this ⁓ gender war. Really. So what do you have to say about that? Like, I want to know, let's dig into this and. Clint: It's really, I guess, where do you wanna go? Because. Everywhere. All right. I mean, I completely agree with you on this. It's a perfect example of, I wish we had a better, I don't like wishing, but a better name, the powers that be, the control apparatus. The Paris. Johnna: Well, everywhere. How about the parasites? The parasites. Yeah. Clint: The parasites, that's good, yeah. How they wanna fuel division and how more and more, so maybe we'll go here first, more and more the average human, let's say. ⁓ And I don't know if we need to specifically talk about people in the United States. Obviously we're more familiar with Americans. But I think you know it spans a lot of the globe. I would assume maybe but how we are more and more by design losing our ability to actually think critically and Just so when you see something like this So many people just see that and it it reinforces Thoughts that have potentially not been their own from the beginning Johnna: Yeah. Clint: because it's just been force fed, oh, this is what I'm supposed to think. Now I see this confirmation and I'm not gonna dig into it. I'm not gonna think critically about it. Like, does that make sense? 62 million married men are learning how to rape their wives. Doesn't matter if it makes sense because it confirms my belief. Right. Johnna: Yeah. Doesn't matter if it makes sense because it confirms my belief. Well, and it triggers their wound. Right. That's ultimately what it is. you know, men and women both have wounds with the opposite sex. They just do. And it triggers or reinforces, like you said, ⁓ that that ⁓ root cause of that wound. Clint: So the critical thinking aspect of it before we get into more of the masculine and feminine stuff, that's concerning to me because it, like we were talking before we started recording, it's such a blatant intended consequence of the social control that the parasites have had on us for a long time. And one way that you really see it is in education. And I'm not talking about indoctrination and all the other pitfalls that we see in the public school system right now. That's a whole different conversation. Really what I'm talking about is just the ability to critically think. the example that comes to my head that so many people, I'm sure, listening to this can relate to is Why the hell am I learning algebra? You know, in high school. When am I ever gonna use this? And you see that a lot. You I wish I would have been taught taxes and whatever. You know, the stuff that we were more like the stuff that we were taught. How to bake a loaf of bread. to, you know, sew. How to stick two pieces of wood together. ⁓ Which is great, but. Johnna: Yeah. Yeah. So. ⁓ Clint: I think people fail to realize, and it's just being more more reinforced now, the purpose of something like algebra in high school or what college could be is not to learn how to figure out what x plus y is. It's to be presented with a scenario that you don't inherently have an answer to. And how do you figure out that answer? What's your process? What does your brain have to do to get from A to B, to figure out how do I solve this thing that's beyond my current scope of knowledge? And more and more and more, the answer that's pushed by the parasites to the masses is you don't have to. We figured it out for you. You don't have to think about this. Google it. Ask chat GPT. You don't need to reason through this scenario. Another example was English, like breaking down the parts of a sentence. Nobody, unless you teach English, no one does that in real life. Bye. Johnna: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Clint: Nobody inherently knows the parts of a sentence either. So you have to figure it out and you have to critically look at a sentence and think, ⁓ what is the verb? What are they actually talking about? And it might not be what you initially think when you read it, but when you process through it, then you can figure it out. That same ability applies across the board. So now when we're presented with information, so many people just, haven't, they haven't developed that muscle to be able to look at something and be like, let me work through this. Does this make sense? And sometimes it does. Sometimes you work through it and it's like, ⁓ yeah, that is right. And that's wacky. But not even having the ability to work through it, now it just defaults to know the smart person said it. I don't know how to think. So I just go with that and run with that. Johnna: Yeah. that and coupled with poking your trauma. ⁓ sure. You know what I mean? So you have the lack of being able to think critically because everything is at our fingertips. And then that on top of poking the masculine trauma, poking the feminine trauma. And then you just get this barrage of stuff. Clint: that and coupled with poking your trauma. ⁓ sure. So you have the lack of being able to think critically because everything is at our fingertips and then that on top of poking the masculine trauma, poking the feminine trauma and then you just get this barrage of stuff and then when you hear those content creators Johnna: And then when you hear those content creators who have massive followings and so forth, you know, uh, braid the man and then braid the woman for just being a feminist, whatever, then it just reinforces it that on top of your inability to do some just basic research guys, like how long did it take me to find this information this morning? Like, Clint: who have massive followings and so forth, know, ⁓ braid the man and then braid the woman for just being a feminist, whatever, then it just reinforces it. That on top of your inability to do some just basic research, guys, like how long did it take me to find this information this morning? Like. Johnna: 10 minutes, like just pulling up one layer. And I'm not, here's what I'm not trying to ⁓ minimize, the feminine trauma and the masculine. Because I think femininity has in the past, I think it's emerging to be more divine. Clint: I femininity has in the past, think it's emerging to be more divine. ⁓ It's really done terrible things for women. Like women want men generally say there's a lot of nuance to this in terms of like massive feminine women. I think men to behave like women, but then also want them to behave like men. It's kind of like a control. Johnna: ⁓ It's really done terrible things for women. Women want men, generally, say there's a lot of nuance to this in terms of massive feminine women, want men to behave like women, but then also want them to behave like men. It's kind of like a control apparatus. But it's the same thing with men, how men want women to... ⁓ And not the same way. OK, this is where we're going to. Yeah, that's where we're going to fight. But men generally, if I'm doing just a general thing, want women to just shut up and be less emotional. I mean, you know, that if I were to just shut up and quit nagging and blah, blah, blah. And so we have an issue. We have a heart issue within men and women that here we go need to be healed. Clint: This is where we're gonna diverge And so we have an issue. We have a heart issue within men and women that, here we go, need to be healed. But I believe that this is huge because I believe it's generational. Johnna: But I believe that this is huge because I believe it's generational. Clint: I agree with the generational thing. I also think that's being exacerbated by society. ⁓ for sure. And so, you know, the like you said, it's like poking the bear kind of thing. You know, you're poking at the the potential traumas. But but it's also being, you know, with because this isn't something that started three years ago or five years ago. Johnna: ⁓ for sure. Yeah. No. Clint: You know, this is going back like first wave feminism stuff. That's not what I'm saying. The societal poking of it, know, 500 years ago. Johnna: No, this is going back at the dawn of time. Because right now what we have is women so sick of the patriarchy that they're just like, so I'm just saying. That's not what I'm saying. OK. The societal. Clint: It wasn't the same as it's been in the last 60 years. So I'm saying the last 60, 70 years has been more of the exaggeration or more of the emphasis on it versus how it used to be. I'm not saying that there hasn't been masculine, feminine since the dawn of time. I'm saying the focus on what's wrong with it. Johnna: Right. Clint: is a relatively new thing. I think. Yeah. It seems like. Yeah, I think that we've been strategically played against each other. And I know that like in terms of the feminist movement, women went so masculine, which is not. Johnna: Yeah. Yeah, I think that we've been ⁓ strategically played against each other. And I know that, like, in terms of the feminist movement, women went so masculine, which is not ⁓ healthy for them. And now they're moving slowly back into more of their and I'm talking about divine femininity and divine masculinity, ⁓ which is completely different. than what the parasites want to tell you as masculine and feminine. And so I just think that right now we're reaping what has been sown for generations. And it's important that you have eyes to see and ears to hear if you're going to be part of the healing of these, you know, of the masculine and the feminine. Everyone has to do their part and it's hard. because I know for me. It's hard to not be enraged at men for so many different reasons right now. Just the way the world has been run by men and now it's just being run into the ground because women have been silenced and told they can't be in positions of power or that's not what the Bible says. know, women are to submit. All of these things are big things to women. Clint: All of these things are big things to women. And so what we have then is men minimizing those emotions, but they have to come out. And it's messy at first. This is why I think when you're doing your healing work, you just keep to yourself because the emotions have to move through you and you have to have the capacity to go deep within and say, why am I feeling this? Johnna: And so what we have then is men minimizing those emotions, but they have to come out. And it's, it's messy at first. This is why I think when you're doing your healing work, you just keep to yourself because the emotions have to move through you and you have to have the capacity to go deep within and say, why am I feeling that? Clint: I want to push back a little bit on something you said. And it's kind of a thought experiment. Neither of us are historians or how about we weren't there 200 years ago or 5000 years ago or whatever. But you said that the world's being run into the ground right now. Right. Do you think it's fair to say that Johnna: Okay. Clint: Generally speaking in society global society national society whatever it might be There are more women in charge of things companies organizations whatever governmental agencies then Then there have been in the past Johnna: I don't know. I can't say that for certain. Clint: Anecdotally, do you feel like you hear from more women in charge of like mayors or governors or CEOs or anything? And and that's been a very recent phenomenon. There's obviously been, you know, I guess just as a quick aside, we're really trying to not have anecdotal evidence. Johnna: women in charge of like mayors or governors or CEOs or anything. that's been. Clint: Disproved generalities clearly we're talking about and you kind of already mentioned this clearly we're talking about generalities There are of course exceptions You know, whatever but generally speaking that's been in the last 50 years 60 years and There's been What you just said the world's being run into the ground now Do you think the world was being run into the ground 300 years ago? Johnna: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. being run into the ground now. Right. Probably. Clint: So then there's been no difference with women getting more power, let's say, more authority. There hasn't been a difference. Do you think most people, or yeah, most people would say things are better or worse now than they were 50 years ago? Johnna: I'm not sure because I didn't live then, but I would say probably worse. And I'm curious about the point that you're about to make because there's a difference between a wounded masculine and wounded feminine being in charge as opposed to divine masculine and divine feminine being in charge. What we see Clint: What we see currently is wounded. That's the 3D world. So as we're building something better, as wounded collapses and a more balanced, healed world comes out of this, because that's what I see, things are gonna look a lot different. So you just made my point for me. Johnna: currently is wounded. That's the 3D world. So as we're building something better, as wounded collapses, and a more balanced healed world comes out of this, because that's what I see, ⁓ things are going to look a lot different. Clint: because it seems like the solution now is not to put, just again, the solution that most people live in, the solution that you're gonna see on social media, on whatever the news or wherever you're getting your information. The solution is blindly saying men bad women good women are in charge Everything is amazing except that's not the facts right because I would argue a Wounded feminine is more dangerous than a wounded masculine. Yes Johnna: All right now. Really? Yes. That's interesting considering the patriarchy has been in charge for the vast majority of history and I don't think the wounded feminine has been in charge long enough to prove ⁓ the running into the ground. Clint: I think the wounded feminine has been in charge long enough to prove that Okay, well, I mean, I'm just saying it as ⁓ a thought. You know, I don't have any concrete evidence, but you know, I do, I guess it depends on what you consider dangerous, what you consider a downfall. ⁓ You know, how you're grading society, I guess, ⁓ because Johnna: Yeah. Yeah. Clint: when you live in a place from ⁓ traumatized misplaced emotion versus traumatized misplaced logic, which I think is a very simplified generalized version of masculine and feminine, ⁓ it becomes much more irrational with the wounded emotion. Do you agree or no? ⁓ Johnna: Fuck no, I don't agree. think both are toxic. And I think I know, but when you start going, ⁓ this is worse than this, like it's okay that wounded males have been running this country and going to war and you know, that's okay. Well, like I don't feel like one is worse than the other. Ultimately. Clint: I'm not saying, but you start going, ⁓ this is worse than this. Like it's okay that wounded males have been running this country and going to war and no, I did not say any of that. Okay. Well, I don't feel like one is worse than the other. Right. But one is not better than the other either. If they're both negative, if they're both bad, they're both bad. It doesn't mean when I say one thing isn't good, that doesn't mean I'm saying the other thing is good. I'm not saying wounded masculine is good. I'm not saying it's beneficial. It is correct. It isn't. There's certainly downsides. Johnna: Well, you just said that it's more logical. It's not as combustible. Yeah, they're being proven. Clint: there's downsides to both but more combustible an emotional person is more combustible than a logical person right would you agree with that Johnna: I don't know. think that emotional would be something that is combustible on the outside so you could judge it more harshly than a logic that is like more strategic in the defiance and the ⁓ Clint: bad behavior because it presents logical on the outside. I think both end in you know explosion but because a woman is more and a man is more I'm just going to be quiet it all results in the same shitstorm just one is more methodical and Johnna: bad behavior because it presents logical on the outside. think both end in, you know, explosion, but because a woman is more and a man is more, I'm just going to be quiet. It all results in the same shit storm. Just one is more methodical and one is more outward showing. Clint: One is more outward showing. Yeah, more chaotic. One's more methodical, one's more chaotic. On the outside, but on the inside, it's the same wound. It's the same, it's the same path. Yeah, and I'm not arguing that and I didn't say it wasn't. I'm not. Johnna: on the outside, but on the inside, it's the same wound. It's the same. It's the same path. Yeah. Clint: I'm not advocating for wounded masculinity to rule the world. I'm just saying what's being elevated now is wounded femininity. Yes. To the detriment. In the 3D world. Well that's what we're talking about. I also think that like there's a whole group of people that are moving to a different world. Johnna: Yes, in the 3D world. But yeah, I also think that like, there's a whole group of people that are moving to a different world, for lack of a better term. Clint: Sure. you know, I don't know that there's, I shouldn't say there's not value in talking about that, but that those things take care of themselves with when you, when you get into a group of people who at least somewhat can live in their divine masculinity, divine femininity, then a lot of those issues go away because just by nature, how they deal with each other, how they, they Johnna: Yeah. Clint: interact, how they live their own lives, it's inherently going to be more beneficial. So if we're talking about what's really going on right now in society in general, that's not that group of people. There is that group of people, but they're still very much on the outside. Probably not even looking in, outside looking away. Johnna: No, they're not. mean, I, I, I call it the touchdown. I have to touch down into the 3D world for a moment. And then it's like, no, can't can't do that. But I want to hold space for both because I currently live in in both. So this is what I would tell the people. If talking about. ⁓ this triggers your masculinity or triggers your femininity to hate on the other sex. I really want you to go inward and figure out why that is. Clint: femininity to hate on the other sex, I really want you to go inwards and figure out why that is. Johnna: social conditioning, things that have happened to you, know, stories that you have been told, whatever that is, because in order for you to come out the other side and not continue to spew the hate, it was very disheartening to me that some of the people that I followed that claim divine femininity and divine masculine jumped all over this without even Clint: social conditioning, things that have happened to you, know, stories that you have been told, whatever that is, because in order for you to come out the other side and not continue to spew the hate, it was very disheartening to me that some of the people that I followed that claim divine femininity and divine masculine jumped all over this without even Johnna: you know, doing the research just fed into the hate and the division that the parasites are really good at playing, playing you against each other. Not all men are assholes. There's a large group of men that are really trying to step into being and understanding what it is to be a divine masculine male. It is not Clint: you know, doing the research just fed into the hate and the division that the parasites are really good at playing, playing you against each other. Not all men are assholes. There's a large group of men that are really trying to step into being and understanding what it is to be a divine masculine male. It is not Johnna: completely natural because of social conditioning and the way that they were raised. Same is true for the divine feminine. It is social conditioning. It is how they were raised and all of those emotions have to be processed. And I think what we're seeing now is a lot of people processing those emotions. in a positive way, also in a negative way, because a lot of the comments with the threads that I was reading were, you know, dudes are just they fucking suck and I'm over it. And then on the flip side was this is just hysterical women being hysterical again. And that is part of the problem. That's the problem. Clint: in a positive way, also in a negative way because a lot of the comments with the threads that I was reading were, you know, dudes are just they fucking suck and I'm over it. then on the flip side was this is just hysterical women being hysterical again. And that is part of the problem. That's the problem. Johnna: right there. So if you don't have the wherewithal to dig deep into yourself and figure out where the genesis of this wound is, and I would think that this would take some really big soul searching because again, generational trauma, you're going to be part of the problem. That's just where it's at. Clint: right there. So if you don't have the wherewithal to dig deep into yourself and figure out where the genesis of this wound is, and I would think that this would take some really big soul searching because again, generational trauma, ⁓ you're going to be part of the problem. That's just where it's at. Johnna: But negating like women shouldn't feel this way or men shouldn't feel this way is ridiculous. All emotions need to be brought to the table and dealt with in a manner that isn't hurtful to other people. Clint: But negating like women shouldn't feel this way or men shouldn't feel this way is ridiculous. All emotions need to be brought to the table and dealt with in a manner that isn't hurtful to others. So let's do a little thought experiment. Because and maybe this won't turn out I don't know I'm just thinking about it right now so ⁓ in the We like we like to give We like to talk both about what John was just talking about which is spectacular totally agree with but also Johnna: Let me get my stapler ready. think it has like a six foot range. Clint: some other practical tools, I guess, as you're trying to figure out, you know, what the fuck is this divine masculine, divine feminine, how do I live that out? Just in my day to day, you know, if you're not already there, ⁓ what do I do? Like, how do I handle certain situations? So with the 62 million, because I could see this as a typical conversation. a woman sees that on, know, and here's it from, just like what happened with you, you know, people I trust are saying this. Now, can I just say something? I don't want to cut you off, but this was from a CNN article. Right. I want to say this really quick, was shocking to me that the community that I'm involved in is like... Johnna: Yeah. can I just say something? I don't want to cut you off, but this was from a CNN article, which I want to see this really quick was shocking to me that. The community that I'm involved in is like all news is fake news. They use it to totally turn people against you. And then all of a sudden they're talking about a CNN report that is 100 percent valid. We know that the news on either side, I don't care if it's MSN, we see Fox News, CNN, it is all skewed to cause division and turmoil within the population so that they don't turn their eyes on who's really screwing them, which is the parasites. I'm sorry. Clint: All news is fake news, they use it to totally turn people against you and then all of a sudden they're talking about a CNN report that is 100 % valid. We know that the news on either side, don't care if it's MSN, we see Fox News, CNN, it is all skewed to cause division and turmoil within the population so that they don't turn their eyes on who's really screwing them, which is the parasites. ⁓ So we've just got two average people that you know, we're trying but but this is the conversation something like this the woman sees that like holy shit, you know and the man and the woman are having a conversation woman sees that Can you believe this, you know 62 million men? I think an average typical guy is gonna be like that doesn't make any sense Johnna: that needed to be said. So go ahead. Clint: I don't, that number doesn't make sense. That's an astronomical number. You know, they would do kind of like what I did. Like, okay, let's break this down and let's see. So then what a typical woman might feel, and obviously step in, correct me if I'm wrong here, be, ⁓ you just invalidate everything I say. You're mansplaining this article that I saw on CNN. that you're completely invalidating me and would potentially get upset. So then the guy is like, here we fucking go again. You're just gonna get all emotional. can't even think logically. Now you're just running on emotion and you're gonna go off on some tangent and blah, blah. Now I'm tuning out. I think that's a relatively, right? ⁓ Johnna: Clint just did a really good job of explaining wounded feminine and wounded masculine. That was the perfect example of what that looks like. Like honestly, cause yeah, cause all that did was stir up the trauma in the woman of I'm crazy. I'm invalidated. I'm whatever. And then stirred up the trauma in the man, which is Clint: and wounded masculine. Yeah, exactly. was a perfect example of what that looks like. So honestly, ⁓ go ahead, go ahead. Because all that did was stir up the trauma in the woman of I'm crazy, I'm invalidated, I'm whatever. And then stirred up the trauma in the man, which is women are irrational. They're just emotional, crazy people. Johnna: Women are irrational. They're just emotional, crazy people. Women were created emotional. Men were created logical. We need to learn how to fucking come together. Clint: Women were created emotional. Men were created logical. We need to learn how to fucking come together. And be able to communicate that way. And it takes both people. We've said this so many times. Like a ⁓ divine feminine is gonna really struggle existing with a hurt masculine. And vice versa, obviously. Because on the one side you're like, no, let me try to... Johnna: And it takes both people. We've said this so many times. it. Yeah, totally. ⁓ Clint: Understand this look internally have this conversation because there's value in the conversation You know a huge part of divine feminine divine masculine is being able to understand the other side of it Yeah So the tool then is how does that conversation go if you're Johnna: is being able to understand the other side of it. Right, being able to hold space for both. For your femininity and for his masculinity or whatever that partnership is. Clint: trying to build that muscle of, no, I want to live in more of my divine feminine, my divine masculine. Johnna: Well, let me tell you how it went for us. And I'm to be super honest. So when I mentioned this to Clint, was it yesterday? Yesterday, a days ago. That's what Clint said. That doesn't seem logical. And I thought, I had that. But any time I have that with anything, I know that it's something within me. Clint: Yesterday a couple days ago recently. Yeah anything I know that it's something within me that is not healed because I definitely have a masculine womb like I could be a radical feminist unhealed if I was not healing no one's arrived okay we have never said that we have arrived you don't arrive until you go to the next level Johnna: that is not healed because I definitely have a masculine wound. Like I could be a radical feminist unhealed if I was not healing. No one's arrived. Okay. We have never said that we have arrived. You don't arrive until you go to the next level. Okay. So let's not even go there. But I thought, Clint: Yeah. So let's not even go there. But I thought. So then I sat with that. Right. And I went back and forth in my mind because I can hold space for both places. Just real quick. Sorry to interrupt, but just for my perspective on that part of the story, I said that like that. That's a crazy number. That doesn't make any sense. But then it wasn't followed up with. Johnna: So then I sat with that, right? And I went back and forth in my mind because I can hold space for both places. Yeah. Clint: Why didn't you figure that out? How can you even believe that article? know what, you know what? So that would be potentially that wounded masculine, like digging in and going back for round two and round three. Like, yeah, yeah, yep, hate men. Here's another, you know, it was just like, that's fucking wild. That doesn't make any sense to me. And then. Johnna: No, no. Yeah, that's just a bunch of bitches that yeah, yeah ⁓ Yeah. So that's the logical man brain, right? Because also, something you need to know about Clint is that he's very mathematical. So I'm sure and I don't want to speak for you, but because I know you Clint: Something you need to know about Clint is that he's very mathematical. So I'm sure and I don't want to speak for you, but because I know you, your brain was doing some math. Right? don't have that of So anyway, I just sat with that and worked through those emotions, taking that information from him going, and it takes me way longer to math than Clint going, well, Johnna: your brain was doing some mathy stuff, right? I don't have that kind of a brain. So anyway, I just sat with that and worked through those emotions, taking that information from him going, and it takes me way longer to math than Clint going, well, gosh, that does seem like a lot of people, like a whole bunch. Clint: That does seem like a lot of fucking people. Like a whole bunch. And so then I was like, and we talked about it later in the day, I need to do some research. So I was able to work through that whole punch of. Johnna: And so then I was like, and we talked about it later in the day, I need to do some research. Right. So I was able to work through that whole punch of motherfucker fucking dudes. Like I just want to punch all of you to why do you feel that way, Jonna? Because you still haven't completely healed your masculine wounds. And so now we need to Clint: Why do feel that way because you still haven't completely healed your masculine wound and so now we need to Realize that the masculine has something to offer which is a logical brain men women don't have that They don't I mean they have a portion of it because we all have a little bit of divine feminine and masculine right ⁓ Johnna: realize that the masculine has something to offer, which is a logical brain. Men, women don't have that. They don't. I mean, they have a portion of it because we all have a little bit of divine feminine and masculine within us. Right. ⁓ But then I was able to leech on to that information and go, yeah, I'm to go ahead and do my own research and not just spout off about how line up all the people with penises, cut them off and watch them burn. Clint: But then I was able to reach onto that information and yeah, I'm going to go ahead and do my own research and not just spout off about how line up all the people with penises, cut them off, and watch them burn. Anyway, so then it then it was like, actually, it's not 62 million men. It's an entire porn site. They get got 62 million hits in a month. This group specifically had 1000 members. Are these 1000 people just gross and trash? Johnna: Anyway, so then it then it was like, ⁓ actually, it's not 62 million men. It's an entire porn site. They get got 62 million hits in a month. This group specifically had 1000 members. Are these 1000 people ⁓ just gross and trash? Not that I'm trying to judge. I would say a less evolved soul. Yes, for sure. Absolutely. Clint: Not that I'm trying to judge. would say a less evolved soul. There you go. Yes, for sure. Absolutely. But it's not 62 million men. And that angers me because then it gives the women who have some feminine rage or, you know, because anytime you mention anything feminist, that just gets. Johnna: Um, but it's not 62 million men and that angers me because then it gives the women who have some feminine rage or, know, cause anytime you mention anything feminist, that just gets tossed out with like, I'm a woman. Hear me roar. Right. And you're just like a whack ado because everything is black and white. There's extremes now. You know, no one lives in like nuance. Clint: tossed out with like, I'm a woman, hear me roar, right? And you're just like a wackadoo. Because everything is black and white. There's extremes to it. No one lives in like nuance. Johnna: And so anyway, it made me angry for the picture that's being painted for men. Like this is why men don't want to open up doors for women anymore. This is why men don't want to even talk to women anymore because they don't know if they're just going to be, you know, berated or don't open the door for me. I'm a, can do this myself. Like men don't know how to be men. Clint: And so anyway, it made me angry for the picture that's being painted for men. Like this is why men don't want to open up doors for women anymore. This is why men don't want to even talk to women anymore because they don't know if they're just going to be, you know, berated or don't open the door for me. I'm a I can do this myself. Like men don't know how to be men. Johnna: anymore. women, we need to own up to the fact that we've taught them that we can't expect them to be gentlemen, and then berate them when they are gentlemen. That's just that's how we're feeding into this. Yeah, I know. I mean, you want to talk about our divine or our feminine and masculine wounds coming out anytime we talk about this. It's just like both exposed nerves trying to Clint: anymore and women we need to own up to the fact that we've taught them that we can't expect them to be gentlemen and then berate them when they are gentlemen that's just that's how we're feeding into this i totally agree with that yeah know i mean you want to talk about our divine or our feminine and masculine wounds coming out anytime we talk about this it's just like both exposed nerves trying to Johnna: It is a muscle that we have to like work on because we're trying to step into we're trying to live in this divinity, right? And it really exposes the wounds and it's so good. Like we talk about that all the time. You want to expose the wounds, but sometimes yeah. Clint: It is a muscle that we have to like work on because we're trying to step into we're trying to live in this divinity right so really exposes the wounds yeah so good like we talked about that all the time you want to expose the wounds but sometimes a couple things real quick before we get too far away from it Just to put a bow on that conversation, because I think you did a fantastic job of talking about what the divine feminine can do. If you're looking to live in that, you follow exactly the path that you did. Deal with it with that initial thing, because you don't want to just push it away. No matter men or women, anybody when you have that. But then process through it in whatever way you need to process through it. Johnna: No. Clint: So just to give those same kind of tools for the masculine side. Yeah. Johnna: Can I say what they could have said? No, you go ahead and then I'll go ahead. Clint: and then I'll go ahead. In that particular situation, I think the biggest thing for you to resist if you're really trying to go from, I I keep saying the wounded masculine, and I think that's a great way to put it. The wounded masculine to the divine masculine. And what I did is I didn't try to fix what I perceived as Jonna's error. Like I felt like that information was incorrect, you know, because of whatever, but I didn't harp on it. I didn't like try to show her the evidence of, no, this is where you're wrong. Let me correct you, right? Which is a huge thing that men do. And it's one of our, well, it is a major detriment. Johnna: That would have been. Which is a huge thing that men do. Yeah. And it's one of our, well, it is a major detriment in. Clint: in going from the wounded masculine to the divine masculine is is succumbing to that impulse of no, you're wrong. I need to fix you. And that could be if. Right. Yeah, it all fits in, whether it's, you know, I read this article thing or I had this experience with my girlfriends, you know, whatever. And and I'm really upset about it. And then the guy is just like, well, fuck, here's what you do. Here's how you fix it. Yeah. You know, then, no, you just you just dove headfirst into the Johnna: And I'm going to prove that I'm right. Yeah. ⁓ Clint: the wounds and the trauma of wounded masculine, wounded feminine and nothing good is coming to that. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's definitely, you know, if you're looking to to move into that more of a divine masculine thought process. Johnna: No, and that's how it all spills out. Absolutely. You know? Clint: those things will still come up. Because the thoughts still came to my head. Like, no, we could figure this out right now because it's very obvious in my mind. You know, that's what I'm thinking. But then that was my... Johnna: those things will still come up. All the time. Because the thoughts still came to my head. Like, no, we could figure this out right now because it's very obvious in my mind, you know, that's what I'm thinking. But then that was. Clint: you that was my initial, like not gut punch, but my initial thing like you felt, you know, that was mine. And I had to sit with that and process it and think, nope, not gonna say any of this right now because it's going to, because of the way we interact and the way we think, it will be something that gets processed through or it's gonna be something that just gets, I mean, this was a major one. But if we're talking about just like general day-to-day stuff, oftentimes those conversations just go away. There was nothing that needed to be discussed more than, excuse me, in this moment, and we can dig in and I can be an asshole about it and live in my wounded masculinity and make it a thousand times worse, or we can just let it play out. And I think what we find is, Johnna: day to day stuff, oftentimes those conversations just go away. Yeah. There was nothing that needed to be discussed more than in this moment. we can dig in and I can be an asshole about it and live in my wound masculinity and make it 1000 times worse. Clint: really in essentially every situation those things work themselves out. Sure. Yeah. ⁓ Johnna: They do and it's not always perfect I don't want to you know come on here and be like ⁓ no we just are constantly walking around in our divine feminine and masculine no because had Clint enabled my toxic femininity and said ⁓ my gosh that is just horrible blah blah blah blah I would have never had the opportunity to feel that trauma hit and go, motherfucker, work through the emotions, go, where is this coming from? Dig down into the depths of Johnna's soul, which I fucking hate going there, especially in the masculine wound. Like it's just because it's ⁓ bleeding. Clint: Feel that trauma hit and go. emotions go where is this coming from dig down into the depths of Jama's soul which I hate going especially in the masculine world like it's just because it's ⁓ It's still bleeding. And I would say that that is the truth for most of the population. But my goal in the last few months about some new terminology, my goal as a human right now is to see people as souls, not to see them as what their meat soup presents. Johnna: It's still bleeding. And I would say that that is the truth for most of the population. But my goal in the last few months, I got some new terminology. My goal as a human right now is to see people as souls, not to see them as what their meat soup presents. And that is happening very slowly, but it is Clint: ⁓ And that is happening very slowly, but it is the most astonishing thing is to see souls instead of meat suits. And so had Clint enabled my ⁓ wounded feminine, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to dig deep into that wound and go, okay, what is this? Johnna: the most astonishing thing is to see souls instead of meat suits. And so had Clint enabled my ⁓ wounded feminine, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to dig deep into that wound and go, okay, what is this from and why do I kind of want to punch him in the face right now? Clint: Right? Observe your thoughts like this isn't right. This isn't the direction that I'm heading. I'm going to OODA loop here and just get on this. don't like men. And how does that benefit? How is that helping the population? How is that helping myself? First of all, then Johnna: right, but then not acting on it because you have to be able to observe your thoughts, right? Observe your thoughts like this isn't right. This isn't the direction that I'm heading. I'm going to OODA loop here and just get on this. I don't like men tangent. And how does that benefit anything? How is that helping the population? How is that helping myself? First of all, and then You know your your vibe. How is that? Because your vibe radiates throughout the planet. What is that doing to my frequency? It's lowering it. I have no interest in that. So thank you for. ⁓ I hate that I even have to say this. Thanks for responding like that. ⁓ I just want to poke you in the eye right now. ⁓ yeah, exactly. So anyway, those are some ways. Right. And also, I would say women, if you just are starting Clint: You don't have to why we sit eight feet apart Johnna: want to lean into this allow men to be men where they're at currently even if it's toxic has nothing to do with you it has to do with them and it would be the same with the man Clint: Even if it's toxic, it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with them. And it would be the same with the men. I was just going to, yeah, I was absolutely going to echo exactly what you said. You're not going to change them. You can only change yourself. No amount of spewing off about how men are fucking assholes is going to change a man. And men, no amount of women are emotional and crazy is ever going to. Johnna: You're not going to change them. You can only change yourself. No amount of spewing off about how men are fucking assholes is going to change a man. And men, no amount of women are emotional and crazy is ever going to do anything for you ever. Like that is the best way to die alone. Yeah. Which. Yeah. Clint: Yeah, I was gonna say the only thing it does is make the problem worse. Johnna: Which you know, there are studies coming out that women live longer when they're not with a man. ⁓ And I think about that all the time because sometimes I'm just like, and I love you, Glenn, but sometimes I'm like, ⁓ dudes. But that's just, you know, that's my wounded feminine speaking. Yeah. Clint: The one thing I know we're we're getting close on time here ⁓ The one thing and I mean we could go forever on this one I'm sure we're gonna keep talking about it when we stop recording but ⁓ The the one thing and we say this a lot, but I think it bears repeating all the time Johnna: Are you timing us? Yeah, you are. Clint: that's so critical for you to understand. Again, if you're listening to this, you're probably somewhere on that. You're wanting to get to something else. Yeah, but it's so important to remember those thoughts. Johnna: Or maybe you don't have a fucking clue what we're talking about. And it's time to do your own research. Clint: those feelings, the thoughts that I had, the feelings that that Johnna had in that initial conversation, those are always going to be there. You're not looking for a place where I no longer have the, shouldn't say you're not looking, the reality of right now, pretty much again, like you said, until you're Johnna: until you're ascended. Yeah. You're going to be in some version of I still have those thoughts. I still have those. Clint: completely off, you're gonna be in some version of, still have those thoughts, I still have those feelings, I've done all this work, I'm living in this, those feelings are still gonna come, those thoughts are still gonna come, it's what you do with them. That's the biggest takeaway is what you do with them because what we did with them is it enabled a fantastic conversation. Johnna: Totally. ⁓ It enabled a fantastic conversation. Yeah, and your emotions and thoughts are guideposts, guys. We've said that before. It's like, hey, this is where you need healing. This is where you have to dig deep, not, this is where you push it back down and then spew out all your woundedness. Right. It's just like. Anyway, that's pretty much, I guess. Clint: Right, yeah Johnna: The end. This is how we're ending today. The end. just want to reiterate, I'm not trying to make light of this situation or the thousand men that were involved in learning how to drug and rape their partners. That's vile. But you know, a thousand Clint: How to Yeah That's vile but you know a thousand is way different than 6200 million million which you know these sites That's who? Apparently we have a bigger issue. Well, that's a whole different podcast Johnna: is way different than 6200 which million which you know these sites that's who who went to the porn sites apparently we have a bigger issue and all of that it is and I'm going to tell you right now tell me you're a wounded masculine or a wounded feminine without telling me if you're involved in this stuff Clint: Tell me you're a wounded masculine or a wounded feminine without telling me if you're involved in this stuff. Yeah, and here's something else really quick. I want you to research because I just like dipped my toe in this. I'm fascinated to hear what this is. In my opinion, and this might change, right? As I learn and grow in this understanding. Johnna: Yeah, and here's something else really quick dudes, I want you to research because I just like dipped my toe in this. In my Yeah, in my opinion, and mind you, this might change, right? As I learn and grow in this understanding. Your core wound with your masculine has to do with your circumcision and your mother okaying that. That's your mind just exploding. Like who said it was okay to cut part of your masculinity off? Who started that? You really think that God who said he made you perfect at the genesis of time then said, ⁓ I fucked up. Now we got to cut off part of your dick. Clint: That's your mind just exploding. Like who said it was okay to cut part of your masculinity off? Who started that? You really think that God who said he made you perfect in the genesis of time then said, I fucked up. Now we got to cut off part of your dick. Yeah. Johnna: Okay, so that's what I'm leaving y'all with. I want you to do your own research because I am not your gatekeeper, right? Like you do your own thing, but. On that happy note. Yeah, that's it. Thank you for listening. I hope it was helpful and if you got triggered in this episode, I want you to sit with that and dig into yourself, right? Clint: that's what I'm leaving y'all with. I want you to do your own research because I am not your gatekeeper, right? Like you do your own thing. On that happy note. Yeah, that's it. Thank you for listening. I hope it was helpful and If you got triggered in this episode, want you to sit with that and dig into yourself. It's taken me time to get to the point where I would thank Clint for answering the way that he did. you know, there was a time in my past that I would have been like, get out. Johnna: It's taken me time to get to the point where I would thank Clint for answering the way that he did. ⁓ You know, there was a time in my past that I would have been like, get out. Well, then, like, I'm not even listening to you. Men are dumb. It's true. And I want to be honest. I'm not like sitting over here in this divine femininity just radiating Mary Magdalene, you know. Clint: It's true, and I want to be honest. I'm not like sitting over here in this divine femininity of radiating Mary Magdalene. well, and I would say just likewise, there was a time in my past where I would have gone six rounds with you and been like, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I can't believe you think that. Just think about it for one second. What can you even process information? Yeah, like you're dumb broad. Yeah. Johnna: Yeah, like you're a dumb broad. Yeah. Clint: You just believe every stupid thing you see on social media. Yeah. And if we can just identify it as we are two souls in a meat suit dealing with our wounded masculine and feminine. So anyway, I hope this was helpful. Have a great day and I hope you enjoyed the bathrobe. Yeah. Yeah. Johnna: Yeah. And if we can just identify it as we are two souls in a meat suit dealing with our wounded masculinity and femininity, like that's what it boils down to. So anyway, again, I hope this was helpful. Have a great day and I hope you enjoyed the bathrobe. No makeup. Attire. And even if you didn't, I don't fucking care. Clint: Alright, we'll talk to you