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Picture Perfect Lies and Redefining Success with Kerrie Lee Brown · Shawna and LaLa: Life Beyond The Mic

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  Speaker 1: What's up? You're listening to Shauna and Lala. Check us
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  Speaker 2: And check me out at bella underscore lala one two five.
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  Speaker 1: So Jelena started preschool last week and how did it go?
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  Speaker 1: Did she enjoy it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she loved it. She absolutely loved it. She didn't
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  Speaker 2: care that I left. You know, she said she was fine.
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  Speaker 2: She found friends to play with right away and everything
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  Speaker 2: was great. And then this week was her. So last
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  Speaker 2: week was only one day. And then this week started,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Monday and then Tuesday and Wednesday. So she
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  Speaker 2: was fine the first day. And then today she was just,
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  Speaker 2: it just happened. She didn't want to go. She didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be there. She wouldn't let go of me.
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  Speaker 2: It was heartbreaking. I don't think she's feeling well, but
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  Speaker 2: I think on top of it, she didn't see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of her friends that she made in the class today.
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  Speaker 2: So that also made it worse. And it was heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 2: I had to sit there for a half hour. She
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  Speaker 2: was stuck to me like glue. I couldn't get her
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  Speaker 2: off of me. She was crying. And the teachers tried
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  Speaker 2: to get her. They brought friends over, like little girls
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  Speaker 2: to come over and say, hey, let's go play. And
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I want to go with mommy. I want
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  Speaker 2: to stay with mommy. So it was really hard for me.
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  Speaker 2: I was crying a lot. And then the teacher was
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  Speaker 2: able to distract her and get her to go over
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  Speaker 2: to a different section. They come off my lap and
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  Speaker 2: I just booked it out of there. But I stopped
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  Speaker 2: and talked to the person who runs the program and said,
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  Speaker 2: can you please text me? Because I'm going to be
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  Speaker 2: a wreck all day if I don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: So they text me just a little while ago and
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  Speaker 2: said she's doing great. So I feel a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: Well, at least she's enjoying it. And she made friends.
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  Speaker 1: That was her biggest thing was she wanted friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm happy for her that She's getting
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  Speaker 2: to socialize and meet people. And it'll be great. And
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  Speaker 2: hopefully today she made some new friends in this class.
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  Speaker 2: Because Tuesdays are different than her Monday and Wednesday classes.
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  Speaker 2: You're learning with different people. And not everyone from her
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  Speaker 2: classes are in there. So I'm hoping she made some
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  Speaker 2: good friends today that she'll be excited to go next
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  Speaker 2: week too. Because tomorrow, I feel, if she didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a good day today, tomorrow's going to be hard.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but fingers crossed it all goes good.
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  Speaker 1: And I am getting ready for my trip. I leave
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  Speaker 1: this week. My anxiety is like absolutely through the roof. But.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy to me because flying, I get more anxiety
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  Speaker 2: because it's just such a... You know, you're not on
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  Speaker 2: your own schedule with airplanes. Like if you had a
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  Speaker 2: flight book tomorrow, like I get it, girl.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: See, and I'm fine with flying.
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  Speaker 2: But you're on a schedule though. It's like I feel
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  Speaker 2: trapped with that where... Let's say tomorrow morning you guys
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  Speaker 2: want to, oh, let's leave an hour later or two
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  Speaker 2: hours later or you know what, this or that. You
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  Speaker 2: can do that without stressing about, oh my God, we
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  Speaker 2: paid for a flight. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And getting there on time and then the whole getting
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  Speaker 2: the luggage and this, I don't know. There's just so
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  Speaker 2: much more. I prefer flying better, but I just did
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  Speaker 2: that road trip and it was definitely less stressful planning
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  Speaker 2: for the road trip versus getting to an airport, parking,
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  Speaker 2: all that, you know?
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  Speaker 1: See, I don't know. I just, I feel like flying
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  Speaker 1: is easier.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's easier once you're in the air.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the anxiety of being on that
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  Speaker 2: time schedule and being trapped and, you know, you can't,
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  Speaker 2: there's no refunds. So like right now you were kind
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  Speaker 2: of contemplating maybe not going. You can't do that with
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  Speaker 2: a flight unless you want to lose $ 300 or, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? That's all. That to me is very,
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  Speaker 2: I get very anxious with that.
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  Speaker 1: That is true.
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  Speaker 2: So what are you anxious about?
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  Speaker 1: Being stuck in a car for like 15 hours. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because I did the trip to Florida once before, and
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  Speaker 1: I swore that I would never do it again. We
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  Speaker 1: are going to Myrtle Beach first, and then we're going
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  Speaker 1: to see my aunt in Florida. So at least it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit broken up, but I just want to
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  Speaker 1: fly there. you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I get that part. I just drove down to
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  Speaker 2: Florida a few months ago and yeah, I don't, I
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  Speaker 2: don't ever want to do it again, but if it
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  Speaker 2: was my only option, just that's why we did it
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  Speaker 2: because Mike said it's either a, we're doing the road
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  Speaker 2: trip or we're not going because flights are really expensive
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  Speaker 2: right now and I don't want to rent a car.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what was my options. I said, okay, I'll
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  Speaker 2: suffer for the road trip and I'll have a vacation,
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  Speaker 2: you know? But yeah, I get it. It's at least
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  Speaker 2: you're going to take breaks. You know, your mom's going
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  Speaker 2: to stop. Multiple times for her own self because her legs,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So, I'm not saying it's going to be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: But at least the destination will be cool once you
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  Speaker 2: get to a pool or a beach, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm really looking forward to is the beach. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: As we all know, I love the beach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so get there. Make sure you get there this time.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you get there, if you're still miserable,
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  Speaker 2: just post pictures like you're not. you know, at the beach. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my life is amazing. You know, that's what people like
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  Speaker 2: to do on Facebook. They just pretend they want to
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  Speaker 2: look a certain way or people go, oh, wow, look
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  Speaker 2: at them. They're over here.
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  Speaker 1: They're over there.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they're freaking miserable on the trip or they're miserable
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  Speaker 2: in real life and they're just putting on a facade
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  Speaker 2: so people see them a certain way, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, true.
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  Speaker 2: And people do that with success. They act like they're
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  Speaker 2: so successful. They're so rich. They're, oh, wow, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have I'm going to be a millionaire one day
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  Speaker 2: type thing. It's just, and you know, when you know
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  Speaker 2: them and you know their life, you're like, okay, come on. Let's, honey,
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  Speaker 2: let's take it down a few notches. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? You're not quite there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And like, I just, I love the people
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  Speaker 1: that are like, oh, I'm going to be a millionaire.
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  Speaker 1: And then you ask them like how their business is
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  Speaker 1: going and they're like, oh, I moved on to something else. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm, I am one of those people who always have
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  Speaker 2: a business idea in my head. I've been like that
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  Speaker 2: since I was young. And I always said, if I could,
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  Speaker 2: someone can hire me to come up with business ideas,
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  Speaker 2: if they had the money and they can do it,
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  Speaker 2: I would be rich too. But you got to kind
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  Speaker 2: of like feel where you're good at and stick with
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  Speaker 2: it and not just jump around. Things are always going
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  Speaker 2: to fail in the beginning. Even my business, it took
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  Speaker 2: a long time in the beginning. I was doing pasta
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  Speaker 2: and it was, it was nice here and there. People
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  Speaker 2: booked me here. People booked me. And I realized, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is not getting me anywhere. And it's not that
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  Speaker 2: I totally canceled it out. I kind of just pivoted
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. And I grew something that I saw
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  Speaker 2: was needed and people liked more. So it's like if
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  Speaker 2: I was like a lot of these people, I would
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  Speaker 2: just quit and shut down that business and go, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing pasta anymore. You know what I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do? I'm going to detail cars, something totally different.
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  Speaker 2: And then when that didn't, oh, you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: doing detailing cars anymore. That's not working out. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to go groom dogs.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But they jump around so much that it's kind of hard.
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  Speaker 2: How can you be successful in life when your heart's
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  Speaker 2: not in something? You're just picking and choosing what you
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  Speaker 2: think is the spur of the moment thing. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this might be good. This might be good. You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or just randomly coming up with an idea and
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  Speaker 1: going with it. You know? And then two months later
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  Speaker 1: going on to something else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's never going to work.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the roll of dice will work out for these
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  Speaker 2: people once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just.
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  Speaker 2: It also doesn't look good from the outside. Because I
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  Speaker 2: have a few friends that have done that. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't really, it's not that I don't respect them. I
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  Speaker 2: just don't want to try their business. I'm like, eh,
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  Speaker 2: this person's hopping from this idea to that idea, to
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  Speaker 2: this business, to that business. Their businesses are not lasting
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  Speaker 2: more than a year. Sometimes not even more than a
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  Speaker 2: couple months. So I don't want someone who's just pulling
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  Speaker 2: a name out of a hat, basically. What should we
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  Speaker 2: start today? Because then that means that they're not really
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  Speaker 2: in it. Their heart's not in it. It's not something
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  Speaker 2: that they're good at. It's just that they're picking some
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  Speaker 2: random thing that they think is going to make them money.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to support a business like that.
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  Speaker 1: No, me neither. I've definitely learned not to believe everything
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  Speaker 1: that people post on Facebook because they just, they want
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  Speaker 1: this facade, you know, that they're so successful and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that they're the best. And it's just like, come on.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: It gets old.
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  Speaker 2: I can never do that. Maybe that's a problem with me,
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  Speaker 2: but if you ever look at my post or my
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  Speaker 2: business post, I've never raved that I'm the best at
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  Speaker 2: anything I do because I want people to rave about me.
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  Speaker 2: I want people to tell me that. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to tell people that.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I want them to come to me and be like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is this and that. Or as a person. So
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  Speaker 2: when people constantly are doing that, yeah, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: It's annoying. It's like, oh my God, please shut up.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Humble yourself a little bit. We really, most people know
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  Speaker 2: the real story behind it and, or they find out
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  Speaker 2: the real story, the real things going on in people's lives.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy that, you know, and we know a few
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  Speaker 1: people like that. They just, they keep jumping from one
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  Speaker 1: thing to the next and then it's like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be a millionaire with this and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be a millionaire with that. Well, you haven't been
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  Speaker 1: successful at one thing in your life. entire career. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I know two business owners like that. And
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  Speaker 2: they just keep, I mean, I give them credit. They
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  Speaker 2: don't give up. But I think that if they just
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  Speaker 2: focused on one thing and stuck with it all the
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  Speaker 2: way through, even through the lows, because there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be highs and lows in a business, and they stuck
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  Speaker 2: through it, I think that they could do something. But
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  Speaker 2: people don't have patience for that. They want get rich quick.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be rich now. And they don't realize
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  Speaker 2: how much money they wasted in the process of rushing
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  Speaker 2: and jumping from thing to thing to thing to thing.
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  Speaker 2: To try to be a millionaire when they could have
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  Speaker 2: already made a lot of money by sticking with one
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  Speaker 2: thing and seeing it through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So speaking of success, and I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: like this person did this, but they posted like how
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  Speaker 1: great their marriage was. And really, like, thanks to Google Earth,
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  Speaker 1: the guy found out that the wife was cheating.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's hilarious. What are the odds of that?
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  Speaker 2: So what are you saying that were they like making
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  Speaker 2: out in the front yard and Google Earth passed by
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  Speaker 2: or what was what's the story behind that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the story really behind it, but I
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  Speaker 1: just I was cracking up.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, it showed, you know, something going on.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't the husband. Oh, boy. Going into the house,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, or maybe like their car or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe the husband had an inkling that something was
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  Speaker 2: going on with this person. Because I'm like, oh, could
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  Speaker 2: you say, oh, it was a Jehovah Witness or something,
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  Speaker 2: you know. But the husband must have recognized the person
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  Speaker 2: or knew or had some feelings ahead of time. But
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  Speaker 2: how crazy is that? That at that exact moment that
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  Speaker 2: you are doing something wrong, Google Earth passes by. Hello.
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  Speaker 2: Say cheese.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: That's priceless.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, they deserve it then. People that are doing bad
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that, they deserve everything they get.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I thought it was hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: That is funny. And that picture will stay on there
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  Speaker 2: probably for, I don't know how often Google Earth changes
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  Speaker 2: their images, but that's probably going to be on there
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  Speaker 2: for a few years, I would think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I'll have to ask my
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  Speaker 1: cousin's husband because he does stuff like that. So like,
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  Speaker 1: he's like a, I guess like an independent contractor. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: I'll have to ask him. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let me know. Cause that'd be crazy. It's just like,
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  Speaker 2: he would never, I feel bad for the husband. Cause
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  Speaker 2: it would just, not that he's going to look at
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  Speaker 2: Google earth all the time, but if anyone ever looked
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  Speaker 2: up his address, you know, cause sometimes I'm nosy. I
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  Speaker 2: want to see someone's house or whatever, or like, how
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  Speaker 2: do I get to my friend's house? I'd be like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: his friends probably, who's that guy with your wife in,
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  Speaker 2: in the front yard? What are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So he can't forget about it until they change the image.
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  Speaker 2: So that's crazy. That's perfect timing. You couldn't have even
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  Speaker 2: planned that better.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the funny part about it is that, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you knew this, but on Google Earth, you
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  Speaker 1: could go.
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  Speaker 2: Back in the history and see the old pictures. So
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  Speaker 2: it's there forever then.
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  Speaker 1: I only know that because I looked up my house. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, your car was in the driveway.
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  Speaker 2: At your house?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny what they catch sometimes. I like watching those.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes Instagram has these, they find the funniest things that
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  Speaker 2: they could find on Google Earth. One guy fell in
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  Speaker 2: his yard as the thing was going by. So I
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  Speaker 2: think it's funny sometimes what it catches.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like they give you like action shots too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Too bad they don't do like a video.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Like a drive-thru.
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  Speaker 3: That would be.
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  Speaker 2: That would be hilarious, but it probably would use a
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  Speaker 2: lot of space up. So that's probably why they don't
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  Speaker 2: do it, but that would be great. Then you'd really
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  Speaker 2: see some stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Hey, Google, that's an idea.
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  Speaker 2: They need some more memory. They probably thought of it,
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee. But they probably like, yeah, if you think
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  Speaker 2: about how many places in the world... I mean, every
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  Speaker 2: inch of the Earth is on Google Earth, right, pretty much?
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  Speaker 1: I think so, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that would be a lot of bandwidth and memory
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  Speaker 2: to hold a video. Because I'm only saying that because
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  Speaker 2: my husband's a police officer. And for their body cam footage,
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  Speaker 2: it costs so much money to have the memory cards
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  Speaker 2: and the equipment to hold those videos, even for 30 days.
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  Speaker 2: So I can't imagine the whole world... being held somewhere
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  Speaker 2: and how much money that would cost so they're probably
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  Speaker 2: seeing it as a cost issue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that is true and on the show today talking
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  Speaker 1: about success we have carrie lee brown she is the
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  Speaker 1: former editor-in-chief of success magazine and she is currently transitioning
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  Speaker 1: roles into starting her own company and taking on a
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  Speaker 1: lioness initiative is that what it what it is is
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  Speaker 1: it's Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Linus Global Initiatives.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a travel company that I've started with my
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  Speaker 3: partner out in Australia, which I'm really excited about.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about what made you
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  Speaker 1: want to leave careers and start over. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've been an entrepreneur for many, many years, but
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  Speaker 3: on the side of my full-time jobs, And I finally
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  Speaker 3: felt like this was the time in my life to
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  Speaker 3: leave my corporate setting of a job and to pursue
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  Speaker 3: my entrepreneurial endeavors. So I'm actually building a media education
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  Speaker 3: company that entails the travel side as well as consulting, advisory,
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  Speaker 3: digital products, and many, many more things as well. So
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  Speaker 3: it's not just the travel, the Lioness Global Initiatives, but
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  Speaker 3: there's many other things, many different facets basically to my company.
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  Speaker 3: What made me decide to leave? It was really just that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that feeling inside that I knew I needed
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: to take this leap because I just knew in my
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: heart that there was a bigger calling for me and
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: many more things that I wanted to do. I've worked
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: in magazines for 30 years, very proud of my career.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: But now it's just time for me to move forward
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: and to really take that leap to really do what
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: I want to do. So that's kind of where I am.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: And I'm actually really excited about what's to come down
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: the pipeline. This is perfect timing. for this conversation.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, looking back at your career, did you ever
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: imagine it would evolve into what it has?
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Um, when I started in university going through journalism, um,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: I did not, I guess I didn't really, um, envision
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: where it would end up. I I've been very fortunate
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: with all of my opportunities. I've worked very hard for
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: every step that I've, you know, that I've climbed up
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: the ladder. Um, And I've worked in the US as
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: well as Canada because I'm Canadian. So I live in
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the US now, but I started my career in Toronto,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: in Canada. And I guess I didn't really envision that
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: it would get to where it is. I kind of
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: had secretly hoped it would, but I didn't really know
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: what that would look like because especially having been in
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: media and magazines for 30 years, you just don't know where,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: you know, that industry is going to change. And it
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: has changed so much. Since before websites, before social media,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: now a lot of magazines are more digital than print.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't know any of that would be coming.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: So I'm very fortunate to have kind of, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: survived and thrived in the media industry over three decades
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: and just seen all the amazing changes that are happening
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: right up until today.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the entertainment industry and journalism has definitely changed even
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: since I started.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: You know, and that was only about 20 years ago.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: So yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's, it's crazy. It is.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The content space, right. Content in general has changed.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And now that there's so many more platforms and you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: there's podcasts, there's social media. I mean, none of that
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: was around, right. No. So you get that. And so
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: do I, especially having worked at so many print magazines,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: like before success, I had, I've been, I've worked at many,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: many different publications over the years. And yeah, and so
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I started my, you know, print magazine career in my 20s.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: And now I'm in my 50s. So I've seen a
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: lot of change and a lot of change to the
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: digital space and, you know, or kind of a combination
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: of print and digital. And it's really, it's really exciting
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: to see where everything has landed.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Now, were you the person behind the interviews?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Were you actually doing the interviews? For Success Magazine?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Yes. I did a lot of the interviews. Obviously, I
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: didn't do all of the interviews every issue because, of course,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: we have freelance writers that do those. But most of,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: if not all of the cover interviews on set, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: did a lot of those with the talent who we
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: featured on the covers and some other interviews as well
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: that I would do. But yes, I definitely interviewed a
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: lot of Thought leaders, celebrities, different people in the industry
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: that are very either well known or just are very
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: successful in their business. Very, very exciting.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Who's been your favorite person?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get asked that a lot. It's interesting. It's
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: hard for me to pick one person because I've had
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of very unique interviews. I think that, you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I've interviewed a lot of really interesting and famous people
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: since I was in my 20s. So it isn't just
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: really what I just did as success. It was really
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: across the board. Like I interviewed actors like, you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone back in my 20s.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, so there's some really cool interviews back then.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I think one of my most unique ones was recently
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: talking in the last couple of years, talking to a king,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: a reigning king, the king of Kush out of Africa.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: That was very interesting too. That was for something else
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: outside of success. So, you know, and then, you know, um,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you know, the, you know, Tony Robbins of the world,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Damon Johns off the shark tank, um, you know, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: some top, you know, celebrities as well in Hollywood have
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: been very interesting. Um, But it's very hard for me
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to pick one person because there's so many and I'm
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: very fortunate to have met them and learned from them
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I get asked that question all the time too.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh God, all right, let's go down
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the list.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I know. And I think it's too, and you know
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: this from doing what you do, but it's hard because
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: everyone brings something so unique to each conversation.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And it's so difficult to choose like, You know, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: each one has their own story and their own struggles
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that they've gone through and things that, you know, a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: lot of that's what our show is about is life
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: beyond the mic and the struggles that take you to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: where you are today. And there's just so many stories
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that are so unique and individual to each person. It's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: so hard, you know, and the advice that you get
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: from each person is amazing. is amazing. You know, everyone
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: has a different story and that's what, you know, I'm
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: sure what you love as well is hearing these stories
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and hearing the success. And yeah, I mean, you know, it's,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it's crazy.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I mean, I felt that ever since I
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: started my journalism career back 30 years ago, like one
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: of the things that made me fall in love with
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: journalism and doing what I've done for a living is
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: interviewing different people. And I must admit, like I got
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the just as excited about interviewing the regular person as
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: well about their stories because, you know, that to me,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of people can resonate with them. A lot
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: of people can go, wow, like I'm, that's like, sounds
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: like me. I've interviewed many women over the years on
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: about parenting or about their struggles in their health, you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And those are the stories that I really
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: resonate the most with because I feel like they're very real.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And it's one of the reasons I started a women's
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: storytelling platform. It's a publishing platform. I've had that for
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: several years, but I just reignited it. And I'd love
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: you to contribute to it. It's free. I just welcome
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: everyone's stories. And I'll send you the link afterwards for
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: your viewers. But it really is a place for, it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: a safe place for people to submit their stories and
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to share their struggle to strength and You know, I
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: do it as a give back. It's free for people
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: to contribute because there's people around the world who they
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: may not have the connections to get published in a
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: big major magazine, but they definitely can write something, you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: like a thought or, you know, like an essay or
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: just a reflection and send it to me and I
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: will post it on my blog. And I think that's
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: what a lot of people are wanting to do now.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: They just want to get their story out there And
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that is the reason I started that. It's called redlilylife.com.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: It's very close to my heart. And I have many,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: you know, stories on there of my own. And I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: would love for your listeners to contribute.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And I'd love to take a look at it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And you have gone through your own struggles. You had
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: a heart attack at just 39 years old. So in
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: two years, that will be me.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, two years.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Forget how old I am. But I just, I couldn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: believe it. And you had no signs.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Well, when I look back on it, after it happened,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I realized there were signs, but I was ignoring them.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: And I think that's a really important thing to remember
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: that a lot of times, like people in general will
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: ignore health signs or warnings, but women specifically really will
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: because they put their kind of their um, complaints, if
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: you will, aside, because I think, oh, I'm just, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I just have extra headaches. I'm just more stressed at
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: work or, you know, this ache or this pain or whatever.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Um, we don't have time to be sick.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: We don't. And it's, it's, I know. And that's exactly
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: what I talked about. Cause I wrote a book after
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I had my, um, my heart attack because I knew
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: it would help women with points and tips of how
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: to slow down in their lives. And that's exactly what
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I said. And it was that we don't have time and,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: we don't have time to think about it. We have
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: too much on the go. You know, I was working in,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I was at the height of my media
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: career in Toronto at that time. And I just, I
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: didn't have time. And I learned from that, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: by ending up in a, you know, in the hospital
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and my way, it was a big wake up call
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: for me. And I have done a lot of advocacy
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: since then. So several years ago now, but I'm still
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: doing it for heart health awareness. And for women and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: also in stress management, because we all are stressed in
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: different ways. And if we don't look after our bodies
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: and take a moment to slow down, then things like
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: that can happen. And I don't want to be like
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the bearer of bad news, but I also want to
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: be a light bulb in people's minds when they hear
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: me talk about it, because I want them to be
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: aware that if something can happen to me where I didn't,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I felt like I was, you know, healthy, a healthy,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: you know, adult and, just a busy person, then things
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: can happen to you as well.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And we talk about it all the time. Lala
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and I, you know, our listeners know we have health
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: issues and, you know, I'm in the hospital, out of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the hospital, she's in the hospital, you know, we're both,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you know, and we're, she's a mom and, you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: she has her own business and it's kind of juggling
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: all that in between. And, you know, People just, they
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: need to give some grace, I think, you know, also to,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you know, people, because you never know what someone is
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: going through.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. A hundred percent agree with you there. That is
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: like the key because, you know, a lot of people
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: would look at my life and especially back even in
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: my early career days, you know, and think, oh, she
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: has it all together. You know, she's got it all handled.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: She looks like she has no stress. She just kind
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: of handles it with ease and she's a mom and
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: she's a wife and she's got this great job and,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you know, but you just never know what's going on
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: behind closed doors. And even if, and it could just
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: even be your own closed door, like your, your physical body,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: you don't know, or your, or your brain and what's
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: going on in your mind or the stress levels that
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: people are having. And that was one of the things
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I really learned about during my heart attack, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: because I had to learn what was going on with
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: my body. And it turns out there was an electrical
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: issue I was born with that I didn't know I had,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: which was a physical issue. a physical ailment, which got
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: worse over time with my age. But there was also
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the mental and the emotional and the psychological stress I
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: was under at the time. And it added up. So
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: you never know what people are going through. And I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: think that's why it's so amazing that you have this
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: outlet yourself for people to talk about these things because
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: it's so important. And I'm a huge advocate of people
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: sharing their stories and their experiences because we can all
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: learn from each other. And it doesn't matter who we are. Right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's so true.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, and I say it all the time.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: You know, there was a few weeks ago I went
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to a concert to meet Maya, me and Lala, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I was so sick. But you would never know what
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I went through to get there. You know, and then
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I went home and I went to the doctors and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I was telling the doctor and her answer just kept saying, well,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you're not that sick if you went to a concert.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're missing the whole entire point of this. Yeah. Like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: all you're focusing on is I went to a concert.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I didn't just go to a concert, lady. Like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I was struggling. Like, I was laying on the bed
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: dying before. And, you know, it's just like they just
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: saw you're at a concert and Facebook saw I'm at
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a concert. But you have no idea, you know, what
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it took for me to get there.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. And funny enough, I was at
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: a concert last night. And I posted it on my
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: story and I said, like, sometimes you have to just,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: you know, set your worries that this is my, my tag, my,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: my copy on it was sometimes you have to set
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: your worries aside and enjoy yourself. But, but, but there's
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: hidden messages behind that. And to your point, like, we
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: really don't know what people are going through. And, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: that's the thing too. Like I've, worked in media for
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: 30 years, but I mean, I'm in my 50s now
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: and I've seen a lot and I've gone through a lot.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I'm still going through things in your personal life and
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: your professional life and the worries. And I'm a single
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: mom now and all these different things. And you just
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: don't know what people are going through. And I think that,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: you know, in order to, you know, the importance is
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: really allowing yourself to have a voice and to be
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: able to have places where you can express that. And
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: you know, share with your family, your friends and all that. And, and,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, colleagues you can trust. And I
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: think that, you know, the more and more we can
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: be open with our stories, the better I really do.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to heal ourselves, but also heal
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: others by them sharing or sorry, listening to what you've
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: gone through.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I totally agree. And so talk to me
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: about your lioness global initiative. So you and your friend
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: are going to India. Yes.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And you're bringing a bunch of girls with you?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Bringing a bunch of high-impact women, yes. So we were
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: going to do it this fall, right now, in fact.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: And that was the original plan, but because of the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: war and because of some geopolitics issues going on, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: some people had expressed that they were more interested to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: do this kind of a trip in the new year.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: So we ended up bumping it. It is now January
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: 11th to the 14th and 2027. And so we're now
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: starting to reignite our conversations around that and get more
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: people on board. But yes, we're excited to go to
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: South India. And it's not just a travel, like go
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: and just explore. It's actually about connecting with the other
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: women that are coming. It's about, you know, really learning
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: from each other as professionals, as you know, high impact women.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And we will also be doing really big, deep dives
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: into the culture there, meeting women, female led businesses in India.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: So we can hear from them so that if people
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: come to this, they can actually have opportunities to collaborate
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: and do business with people there as well. So if
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: it's something that, you know, people are always thinking about, well,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I would, I've always wanted to do business in India
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: or who knows who you'll meet. We're going to have
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: women from around the world attend this with us. very
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: exciting stuff to come. And, you know, it's again about connection.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: And I think, you know, this is a lot of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: people go to retreats around the world or in their backyard. But,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: you know, this isn't about us just, you know, dictating
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: to you and doing like a mastermind kind of thing.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: This is us doing a full peer exchange with other
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: women who I look forward to actually learning from as well.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: So Priya and I, Priya lives in Australia. So that's
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: who I've partnered with to do this. And We're really
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: excited because I think that it's going to bring a
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: refresh kind of perspective on global travel and in-person connections
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: and meet women around the world who are very like-minded.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: That's the whole point. And what we take away from
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: this experience is going to hopefully trickle into our own
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: business and our own lives at home. So our inaugural,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: our first trip is in India in January, and I
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: welcome anyone to submit an application. The application is very
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: simple on our website, thegloballioness.com, and we'll take a look
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: at it and we will hopefully get you on board.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So what are the qualifications that you have to have
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to be able to attend?
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's not specific qualifications, but what we have
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: in our application is we want to really hear from
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: you about your mindset and where you're going with your
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: aspirations and goals. We want to make sure the women
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: who are coming are just as ambitious as we are
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: about meeting new people, about contributing, bringing something to the table.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: So it's not really like, you know, it's not like
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: based on what your jobs have been or anything or
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: even financial. It's not based on that. It's really about,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: you know, what do you expect? Some of the questions
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: on the application are what do you expect to get
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: out of this? And then what can you actually contribute
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: to this in a conversation with other people? And, you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: some of the things that we're getting through these applications
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: is amazing. Like people want to learn from others. They
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: want to, you know, meet people from around the world.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: They've never traveled that much. They want to meet high
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: ambitious women to see what they can do in the future.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Some people want to give back in a philanthropy way worldwide,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: which really, I love that. I admire that. Those are
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the kind of answers, you know, it's really about what
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: you can bring to the table and what you expect
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: to get out of it. And then we're looking at
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that and we're making sure that women are aligned, um,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And so this isn't about a financial, you know, like
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: you have to make so much money to come or anything.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: This is really about really who you are and why
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: you want to be there.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. And, you know, I think since COVID
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: traveling and meeting up in person has really like just
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that's like old times, you know, like it's just I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: don't want to say shunned upon, but it just doesn't
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: really happen anymore.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: It doesn't, it doesn't. People are scared to travel too,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: but also they're scared to, especially women, right? Like if
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: you think about it, like India is such a fascinating
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: dynamic place and big population and lots to do, but
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: it's also, you have to think about safety and you
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: have to think about being around a group that you
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: trust and we are having full, you know, like security
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: and like, you know, we all have, you know, obviously
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the measures in place. So we're all together and that's
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: why it's going to be a small curated kind of
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: selected group of women because we want to make sure
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: we're with the right women that we want to travel with.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: But a lot of people wouldn't necessarily go to some
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: of these places on their own. So that's what we're,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: we're creating this opportunity. And the next year we're hoping
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: to do two trips. We're hoping to do Bali in
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the future. We want to do Fiji. We're going to
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: do New Zealand. We're going to do Ireland. Like there's
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: many places we have plans for. India just happens to
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: be the first place.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I need to get on some of these trips.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Well, you do. I'd love for you to come. I mean,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: you really should. And I'd love for all of your
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: listeners to at least look at our website and see
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: what we're doing. And really, it's two women who have
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: come together from two different continents and two different backgrounds.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: But we have one vision. And that vision really is
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: to bring high impact and ambitious women together and to
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: see what we can all create together. So very excited.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: It's so important, you know, especially since COVID, we've kind
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of like gotten away from talking to each other and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: having these conversations and learning from one another. You know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I was going to do a meet and greet for
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the show and a lot of PR reps were like, oh,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that's old school. You don't do that. You don't do that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And I actually did it. And it was amazing. Like
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I had so many messages from people saying like, you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: can you set up another one? And so I had
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to set up another one, but you know, it's just
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: taking that chance. And seeing what works and what doesn't.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And you never know who you're going to meet or
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: connect with.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: You never know. And I mean, this is, I 100%
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: agree with you because I am a world traveler. I
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: love traveling. My parents are from overseas and, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: we grew up, I grew up in Canada. I live
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: in the US. I mean, there's, I love traveling because
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: it's not just the experience of when you're at the,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: your destination and who you're going to be around. It's
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: also the actual physical journey. that you will meet people
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: at the airports and the planes and that like all
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: over and, you know, just learning and diving into new cultures.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: It's what's opened my eyes so much. And I mean,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: maybe that's the journalist in me, right. That I just
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: love meeting new people and seeing what's going on around me.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: And I think that's just so important. It opens your eyes.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: It gives you more, you know, in depth kind of
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: knowledge about what really is going on around the world.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: And you can appreciate new people and new cultures. And,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you know, it's, I feel it's very important to people's
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: learning over their lives. I truly do.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And especially, you know, seeing how other people live.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. It makes you appreciate what you have at home, right?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: You know, and you learn about other people and you think, wow,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: my life is not bad compared to some people. And,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: you know, and also just the differences, the differences in
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: the way we live. And, you know, I mean, even
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: me growing up in Canada, I've been in the U.S.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: now for 11 years. but you know, my kids were
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: born in Canada as well. I mean, we're very closely
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: linked Canada, US, but there's definitely some differences.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Really? So I've never been to Canada.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you should go when you, if you
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: have a chance, you have a chance to, but, um, yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, just so many different things and it's just
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: fascinating because I think it just, like I said, opens
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: your eyes to so many things and, you know, especially
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: when you go overseas. Um, And I was just in
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the UK like about a month ago. I have family
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: in England, Ireland and Wales and France. And that's where
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: my mom and dad are from. And so, you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: like I have a lot of family over there. But
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I just every time I go, I see I notice
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: something different. And something also changes in me every time
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I come back as well.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's almost like a refresher.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you just got to get away. And yeah,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I think everybody needs, you know, their own time to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: kind of recoup. It is, especially when you're a business owner.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I mean, you know, a lot of people nowadays,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: especially as business owners, but also just individuals are looking
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: at ways to reinvent themselves and, you know, really just
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: realize what they can do. And I think that when
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you open up your eyes to new experiences, I think,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: you know, you kind of dig deep into your own
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: soul and your own heart and you can kind of
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: figure out, you know what, maybe this is a different
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: path I want to take, or maybe I've made the
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: right decision to leave corporate and go head on into
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: my entrepreneurial endeavors and maybe this is just the right
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: way to do it and be around the right energy
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: and the right people. And it just opens your mind.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: If you don't get out of your house and if
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: you don't take those opportunities, then you'll never know. So, yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: So like, you know, your events and all that, I mean,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I have to commend you for that because I love
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: those in-person things where you can meet people. And, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I just think it's important. It is. Yeah. Like our,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: our virtual world, like, you know, like podcasts and what
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: we're doing right now is fantastic, but there's definitely a
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: difference when you meet someone and you can hug them
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: or you can say hello and, you know, you can
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: really feel the connection, you know, when you're around somebody.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: So I agree with you a hundred percent.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now starting a brand for people that want to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: start their own business and brand, what is some advice
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that you can give to some of the women today listening?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Hmm. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it kind of
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: depends on what your goals are. Like if you're looking
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: to start a business, your brand, because you have a
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: business and you're a solopreneur, or are you starting a
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: brand because you just want to write a book or
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: you want to be on more stages or you want
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: to do more philanthropy, kind of depends where you are.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: But I talk to people all the time about this
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: and You know, at the end of the day, your
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: story is unique to you. And I think that that's
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: where my advice always goes to is that, you know,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you start with who you are and where you want
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: to go and how you can contribute. And again, where
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: you want to go with your goals. A lot of
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: business people will ask me about how do I attract
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: the media and get media attention and get in magazines.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: And I give advice on that all the time. I
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: do speaking events and I'm actually in the middle of
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: creating a course around that as well. So that'll be
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: launching in the future. I'm really excited about Um, but yeah,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, I, I would, I would, you know, advise
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: anyone to, to take the course just because it really
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: will help you on different ways that you can attract
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: editors and what they look for and getting inside the
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: editor's mind. Um, but yeah, about creating, you know, your brand,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: it really depends on your goals and what you want
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: to do with it. You know, there's so many people
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: online now and they have podcasts or, you know, they're
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: influencers and all that. And there's that kind of thing,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: or is it really that you're just trying to Learn
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: your brand so that you can resonate with your audience more.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: It depends what you want to do, really. But I
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: definitely think attracting the media is important if you want to,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: you know, garner attention out there for your business or
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: for you. And there's different ways that you can do that. And,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: you know, I have a lot of tricks up my
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: sleeve that I like to share. So I'll definitely share
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: with you and your audience when that actually comes out
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So what other kind of classes do you have?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm building. So now, yeah, no, this is,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: this is an exciting time for me. I'm building my company.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be doing many, many courses around, you know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: how to attract the media. Also, I'm going to be
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: doing courses on, you know, for professionals as well, for
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: PR people and for people who actually get publicity for
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: their actual clients. That's a whole other demographic. And then
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I'm also going to be doing courses on how to
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: take time to, you know, for self care and stress management.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, that, especially for executive women and entrepreneurs and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: busy women who are juggling everything in their lives. I
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: think it's a really good reminder. So that would be
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: based on, again, my own experiences with my own self-care
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: journey and what women come to me all the time about.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: So those will be trickling out over the next several
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: months and very excited about it as well.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: What does your self-care journey look like? Like, how do
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you relax yourself? Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, sometimes it's not even just about just relaxing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: It's really about reevaluating what you're working on, your priorities.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: If your priorities are taking you off the path of
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: where you want to go, that can be stressful and
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: that can be wasted time in your own life. And
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: that can also add to your stress levels. So for me,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I like to not only hang out with friends and
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: people that I love, but also Right now, I'm actually
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: really looking at the energy that I'm around, and that's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: around the people that I want to be around. I've
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: learned throughout my career that, you know, sometimes you have
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to put up with, you know, people, places, and things
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: that you don't want to to get ahead or to
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: really kind of get to that next level. But now
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I'm making the conscious decision to look after my own
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: energy and who I want to be around with and
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: spend my time with. And so I think it's important. And,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: you know, there's always that phrase that people say is,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you know, self-care is not selfish and it's not. I
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: think that it's really important, especially to females, but also men, um,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: to ensure that their physical and emotional and psychological, you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: state is under control. And if, and that is up
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: to you as an individual to do. And so checking
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: in with yourself daily, that's what I do and make
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: sure that I have my to-do list and make sure
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that to-do list is where everything that I want to
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: do and nobody else is pressuring me. So I think
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: that's some of the points that I always like to
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: say and get across. But there's so many other things
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: as well. And my book actually is on Amazon. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: that actually gives you lots of pointers about 10 signs
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: you need to slow down. It's a really good place
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to start to look at your own life and to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: see where you're at. And you, again, reevaluate your own
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: priorities on the day-to-day. It's just so important to everybody's welfare, really,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: and your own health.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: It is, especially if you have children, because if you're
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: running morning till night, you know, you're going to get
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: burnt out.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: You are. And burnout is a real thing in work
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: and life and at home and, you know, the office everywhere.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And I think nowadays with the pressures of social media
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and AI and everything else that's going on around us,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: there's a lot and a lot of competition out there. So,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: you know, like it's good to just really to get
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: a check in with yourself and to be happy with
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: you and If you're not, then to really reevaluate where
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: you want to go and how to get there. And
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: hopefully that people will lean on people like you and
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: like me for advice. And if we can help in
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: any way, it's really important to really watch those you
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: want to either emulate or you just want to be around.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: And that, again, is why I'm creating with Priya, my partner,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: these expeditions worldwide for Lioness because those are the people
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: you want to be around. And if you want to be,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: you know, around like minds and those kinds of opportunities
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: you want to maybe take advantage of.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And when is the trip January?
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: In January, January, 2027. It's really exciting. We're gearing up
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: for a lot more, you know, messages online about it,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: but yes, I can definitely include all the links and
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: everything for your team and everyone. Cause it's, it's, it's,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm very excited. I mean, I'm just going to be
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: blown away. I know by South India is going to be,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: fantastic beautiful that time of year lots of festivals going
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: on lots of different things um we have in store
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: and some surprises and people we're going to be in
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: touch with there so yeah i would encourage you also
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: to look at it and yeah i would love you
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: to come and and your partner lala or whoever um
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: that you think that might be a good opportunity for them.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah i've never been to india i've heard my mom
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: has a friend that lived out there and he you
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: know he was from there um And he loved it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And actually, I used to work with a woman from
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: India who was a doctor, actually, in India. And then
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: she came to work here. Yeah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of brilliance around the world.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: And see, this is the thing. If we're not exposed
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: to it, we don't know. And, you know, again, next year,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: we're hoping to do a second trip as well. We're
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: considering Bali at this time. So we'll see how that goes.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: But yeah, really, really excited to see where it goes.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, Carrie. Is there anything else
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you would like me to mention or do you want
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to talk about?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Um, gosh, I think we've hit a lot of key
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: points of where I am in my life and how
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I can contribute and help you and your, your audience. Um,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean, I'm, I have a new website
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: launch coming the end of this month. I'm going to
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: be in LA doing, uh, at the brilliant event, doing
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: a big talk, but if anybody wants to get ahold
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: of me, I actually do a lot of speaking, um,
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: not only at, um, special events, but also educational institutions. And,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm also breaking into the corporate world in
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: regards to bringing my expertise to executives. So I'm definitely
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: open to that as well. And I would just love
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: to connect with people and see how we can maybe
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: collaborate and see how I can help. And I talk
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: a lot, like some of my keynotes talks, just so
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: you know, too, is about media, about how to really
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: attract the editors and how to really think like them
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: and All the points of creating a message around your
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: story and your narrative to be able to push your
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: business and your brand. So I do dive into a
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: lot of that for entrepreneurs and different business people. And
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: also being able to give them the confidence to do
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: it and to reach out to people like you did.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: And you did where we are now. And now we're
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: friends and I'm on your show. And, you know, you did.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: And I think it's very admirable because a lot of
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: people think that, you know, certain people in the media
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: are very maybe untouchable. And I think that you, you've
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: demonstrated that, you know, this can work. So it can work.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: You know, somebody is, I have to say that I
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: sat down one night and I just like, obviously I
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: knew who you were and I messaged you and a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: few other people and you were the only one to respond. Really?
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, thank you. And I appreciate you reaching out,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: but I think that goes to show my nature maybe
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: about how I am. And I, I, answer my DMs
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: on myself. I don't have any bots doing it. And
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like I have very, very good intuition on
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: people and on what they're doing. And I think that's
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: where my kind of soft skills come in, I guess,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: versus just what I've done in my career. And I, again,
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  Speaker 3: it's about energy. It's about wanting to help people, but
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: it's also how, you know, we can collaborate. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you asking me to be on your show
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  Speaker 3: and I'm excited for you know, to see how your audience,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: you know, reacts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Thank you so much. And I'm definitely
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: going to, when your classes are ready, let me know
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: because I am ready to sign up. I will.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I really appreciate that. I'm really excited. I'm in
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: the filming stages right now of this course and the
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: first course. I'm really excited. There's going to be many,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: many modules. It'd be a very good one. And I
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: think that it's going to be my future as well,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: offering this kind of content and this education.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because getting your story out there is the hardest.
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  Speaker 3: That is.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: You know, you're competing with the world, basically.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And that's the thing people don't understand is how
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: much they should use their own story in their branding.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: And then also how to actually do that. Because I
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: get people saying, well, I don't want to reveal too
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: much of my personal stuff going on. And I'm like, well,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: you don't have to reveal everything. But there's definitely going
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: to be some things that will definitely trigger a response
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  Speaker 3: from from, from different people you're going after. So I
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: think I'm going to give the tips and tricks on
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: that and my experience, and hopefully it'll help a lot
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: of people.
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  Speaker 1: Great. Well, I cannot wait. So I'm going to be
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the first one to sign up for it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm so excited for you.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Carrie, for coming on the show today. everyone
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to check out her new initiative. It's called the lioness
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: global initiative. And what is the website for that?
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: The lioness global.com. That's for that one. And then everything
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: else will be coming very shortly on Carrie Lee brown.com.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I'm literally in the middle of relaunching my website, but
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: that's how you can get ahold of me. And of course,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: people I'd love you to follow me and follow along
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: my journey. at Carrie Lee Brown on all social media
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: platforms and on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, and X, and then
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: that would be great.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having me. I have enjoyed
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: the conversation.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: And that's our show. Thank you so much for tuning in.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Be sure to check us out at ShonaAndLala.com on all
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: social media platforms at ShonaAndLala.com. You could follow me on
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Instagram at therealshonamay.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: And you can check me out at bella _ _ lala125.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: We will see you when I return.