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LAPD Source Reportedly Says D4vd Did Not Act Alone | Murder of Celeste Rivas Hernandez · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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The Los Angeles County Court has ordered the medical examiner's
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office to seal everything having to do with the Celeste Rivas
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death investigation, and the medical examiner is not happy
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about it. We're going to look into that.
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And a couple other breaking pieces of news over the last
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couple of days in the Celeste Rivas Hernandez case.
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Stick with me. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there my friend, welcome
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back to another true crime conversation here on my channel.
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My name is Gavin and on this channel we like to cut through
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the fluff and sensationalism of true crime.
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We like to get into the nitty gritty and if that's your kind
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of thing, then you found the right place and I'm glad you
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have. Hopefully you will stick around.
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Tonight we are talking about the case of 14 year old Celeste
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Rivas Hernandez, who was kind of a serial runaway from the Lake
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Elsinore area in Southern California.
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And her now we've discovered not only dismembered but decapitated
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and frozen body was found in the trunk of a Tesla Model X
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connected to this man. David Burke goes by the stage
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name David, curiously spelled D4.
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VD. I'm too old to really understand
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that, though I do come from a time where Prince penned the
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song Nothing Compares to You and use the number 2 that I think
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that you shouldn't do that. I think we should follow we
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should follow Weird AL's advice and don't spell letters with
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numbers unless you're 7 or your Prince.
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But either way, that's what David has done and we're going
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to get into that before we do. Hey, real quick on the live chat
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my attention to anything during the live stream that you might
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want me to address any questions or comments that you want me to
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that you want me to see. OK, couple things.
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Before we really get into Celeste case, I just want to
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make just reiterate a couple of announcements #1A week from
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today, which will be Monday, December 1st, we are going to be
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That's going to, that's going to do a couple things.
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Number one, it's going to help me be able to be engaged with my
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Causeway 2 very good friends of the show, Josh over at Courtroom
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Confidential and Joel over at Surviving the Survivor.
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They have shows Joel's at 7:00 PM Eastern and Josh is at 8:00
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my audience watches both of those channels as well.
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So I don't want you to have to decide and just go Gavin to Joel
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to Josh and and it'll be an amazing night of it.
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It'll be like, it'll be like programming.
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It's like network TV programming.
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So hopefully that will that will go over better than a pregnant
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pole vaulter and we will all just kind of slide and ease on
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into our 6:00 PM slot. I just realized I have not put
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my phone on do not disturb. Let's do that right now.
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OK, Before we get too deeply and really dive deep into the
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Celeste Rivas Hernandez case, we are going to take a look at some
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headlines. Here we go.
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True crime. Headlines pow All right, guys,
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for true crime headlines, what I wanted to do tonight is just
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check in on several of the cases that we have our eye on.
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I think later on this week we will do more deep dives into
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those cases, but let's start, shall we, with Anna Kepner.
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This article from WFTV. Anna Kepner death on Carnival
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Cruise ruled homicide according to her death certificate This
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just came out today. Brevard County, Florida The
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death of 18 year old Anna Kepner on a Carnival cruise has been
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ruled A homicide according to a death certificate issued today.
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The certificate provided to ABC News by Anna's family states
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that her death was caused by mechanical asphyxiation.
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And then I'm on the wrong one. Sorry.
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And then in parentheses it says suffocation.
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So mechanical asphyxiation. Mechanical.
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No, we talked about suffocation before.
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I'm curious the difference. I guess they're calling, oh,
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it's not asphyxiation, it's mechanical asphyxia.
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Suffocation on. OK, I read that wrong.
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November 6th. The document specifies that the
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Anna Kepner was mechanically asphyxiated by other persons as
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in parentheses, although the time of injury remains unknown.
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Autopsy and toxicology reports have not been released, and the
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Miami-Dade medical Examiner declines to comment on Monday.
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The FBI has not commented. Did not respond to an ABC
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request for comment regarding the investigation into Anna's
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death. So that's what we know.
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We had heard it, it had leaked out that it looked like it was
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going to be suffocation and that is now official.
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In the case of Anna Kepner, let's I have a couple of photos
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of Anna, 18 year old Titusville, FL girl, and it looks like, as
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we've said here on the channel before, looks like it's her
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stepbrother who is a suspect in this case.
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So that's headline number one. Now let's head on over to #2
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this one from Bayshore Broadcasting up in Canada.
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This is from the 19th, but I found it interesting because I'm
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always looking For more information on the Jack and Lily
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Sullivan case. I do know that their stepdad
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Dan, Where are the Sullivans? Let me find my little button.
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Not Dan. David Martel has done a podcast
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interview that I watched a brief clip of which I might get into
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later on this week. But anyway, getting back to the
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headline. Local group looks for missing
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Jack and Lily Sullivan in Nova Scotia.
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A local group that looks for missing people.
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Join the search for Jack and Lily Sullivan this past weekend
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in Nova Scotia. 6 year old Lily, five year old Jack Sullivan went
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missing in the Lansdowne area of Nova Scotia, Lansdowne station I
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think in May Large scale Royal Canadian Mounted Police
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investigation has been underway since and the case has captured
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the nation's attention. Also, the attention of the
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nation to their South and the world.
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Please bring me home. Executive Director Nick Oldrieve
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says his group made the trip on the weekend after a donation
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from Barry Krusselbrink of Barry's Construction to look for
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Jack and Lily at the request of family members, Oldrieve notes.
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The search would not have been possible without the donation,
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Oldrieve says. And I'm probably butchering his
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name for that, I apologize. His group was already planning
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to organize an arm's length search in Nova Scotia for Jesse
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Morrissey, 26 year old man who went missing in 2022.
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Adding quote. Once we spoke to Jack and Lily
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Sullivan's family and you could just feel the anxiety that
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winter was coming and no searches were happening and the
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belief that they were still in the woods.
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The RCMP is stating that it is not criminal in nature, says
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Eldrief, who says the going theory is the kids wandered off
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the property. And you can continue reading
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that at Bayshore Broadcasting. So, yeah, it doesn't just
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doesn't look good for the Jack and Lily Sullivan case.
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I, I want to believe, and this is horrible, but I want to
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believe there's something criminal in nature that they
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might be alive somewhere that somebody has them, which is
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just, I mean, I don't want that for the children, but it, it
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seems like a better, a better option than them just having
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wandered off and died in the woods, which just, I don't know,
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that's just heartbreaking to me. But that's where we are.
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Hey, do you remember the case? We covered it here on the
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channel of Isaiah Joseph Dionne, A4 year old little boy who died
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in South Carolina and seems to be at the hand of his stepfather
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who was a South Carolina State Trooper.
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There's an update on this from several weeks ago that we
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haven't brought to the channel. I just wanted to bring it up
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real quick. That bond has been denied for
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the former trooper, Oconee County, South Carolina.
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Dateline, a former South Carolina trooper who was
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arrested in the death of four year old boy, requested bond
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during a hearing on Thursday, which would have been November
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5th. Joshua Latimer and Destiny Dion
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were charged with homicide by CA in September after EMS was
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called to a home near Walhalla for a patient in cardiac arrest.
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4 year old boy Isaiah Joseph Dion was found called to the
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touch. The coroner said Isaiah was
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malnourished and ruled his death a homicide.
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And yeah, we, we went over that. But blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah. Vladimir.
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Vladimir has been in jail without bond since his arrest in
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September. A judge denied his motion for
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bond again Thursday's hearing. Dionne, the mom, her motion for
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bond was denied as well. So they remain in jail and there
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hasn't been an update since on that.
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Do you guys remember? Oh, this little Rebecca.
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Let me find Rebecca's little. Where is Rebecca?
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Where are you, Rebecca? On my little buttons.
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Why am I not Rebecca Baptiste? Here she is.
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Do you guys remember a little Rebecca Baptiste?
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10 years old, same kind of. Just look at that beautiful
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little child. Oh, my goodness.
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OK, an update. This came out a couple days ago.
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Four days ago. Arizona DCS director promises
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changes to agency after girls murder Dateline Phoenix This
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comes from arizonafamily.com The Arizona Department of Child
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Safety is implementing reforms following the murders of three
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children known to the system this year, including 10 year old
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Rebecca Baptiste. DCS director Katie Tack, who
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took the position in January, said in an exclusive interview
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with Arizona's Family Investigates that a review of
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Baptiste's case identified systemic factors that
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contributed to challenges in the department's decision making and
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case management. That is so written that is just,
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doesn't that not sound like it was written by a director of a
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government agency? Systemic factors that
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contributed to challenges in the department's decision making and
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case management. I'm not feeling all that
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confident the changes are going to be good.
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But real quick reminder, Baptiste was found with severe
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injuries and unresponsive in Holbrook.
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This was August 20th if I remember correctly.
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Her dad is Richard Baptiste. And then I think stepmom is a
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niece of Woods, if you guys remember this.
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So she was found unresponsive July 27th.
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She died three days later. Yeah.
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So I've got the wrong date there.
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Doctors said she was tortured. Police body camera video
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captured her father and his girlfriend, Annie C Woods,
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telling officers about the incident.
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Anyway, they're saying that there are systemic issues.
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Systemic factors where they're high turnover, low pay, intense
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caseloads and overwhelmed supervisors were also noted as
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factors. And it always does seem to boil
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down to money. And I, I don't know if I believe
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that every single time, but it always seems to.
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So that's the update there on Rebecca's case.
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Last little headline coming from Crime Cod written by Kate Byrd.
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FBI offers 15,000,000 for fugitive Olympian accused of
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drug Lord murders Dateline, Washington, DC U.S.
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Federal authorities announced that Ryan James Wedding, a
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former Canadian Olympic snowboarder, has been indicted
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on murder and money laundering charges.
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The FBI is offering a $15 million reward for information
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leading to Weddings capture. He was added to the bureau's 10
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Most Wanted Fugitives list in March.
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Wedding, 44, is accused of running one of the most prolific
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and violent drug organizations, Attorney General Pam Bondi said.
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She described him as Canada's largest distributor of cocaine,
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importing 60 metric tons annually from Mexico to the
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United States. They said his criminal network
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was extensive and violent. Before his alleged involvement
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in drug trafficking, he competed in the men's parallel giant
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slalom at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, UT,
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finishing 24th. So there is our last headline
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and let us go ahead and move on. True.
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Crime. Headlines pow.
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OK guys, tonight we are covering the case of Celeste Rivas
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Hernandez. I I've got several notes here.
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I want to start I, I think I'm going to go backwards in time
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here. Actually before I do before I do
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just to clean the pallet just a little bit.
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See what you guys are saying over here on on the live chat.
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What do we got? We got Colorado in the house.
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We got more from Colorado. We got Seattle, WA, we got
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Hildebrand, North Carolina tuning in from Roseville, CA,
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oh, on the I-80 corridor. Glorious Roseville.
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As you know, I am a Orangevale kid.
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I now live in western PA. But Roseville, my old stomping
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grounds. My old stomping grounds.
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In fact. I mean, I don't want to give it
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away, but when I did the Quantum Mixtape interview, that was not
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aboard A Starship traveling throughout the Galaxy.
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It was, it was an old Roseville, which is pretty fun.
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Toronto, Colorado. Again in the house.
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Massachusetts. San Diego, Lexington, KY Norton,
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VA, South Alabama, Palm Harbor, FL Los Angeles.
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Well, Los Angeles is where this case is coming from, so I'm glad
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you're here. British Columbia, El Segundo,
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which everybody seems to say El Segundo.
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I just can't bring myself to do it.
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Twin Cities. We've got Cottage Grove,
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Buffalo, NY closer to me these days, Suffolk, VA.
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You guys are all over the place. So thank you very much for
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tuning in Las Vegas, we got Lincoln, NE.
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Who do you suspect the second to be the second person?
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Well, we've got got a little we've what I believe I, I don't
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know who the second person is, but one of the things that
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hadn't occurred to me is this is a Tesla.
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Everything is recorded there. Cameras everywhere on that car.
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So I'm sure police know. Yeah.
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Redondo Beach. Oh, I think Redondo is from El
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Segundo, right? And then, yeah, that article did
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say Jack was 5, but I think Jack was only four.
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I think you're correct. Annie Ruler, 69 Remember the
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show a few months back Work A local station admitted Mom had
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been on a rented ATV the night before where the remnant of her
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blanket was laid in the tree. I do not remember that.
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I do not wow. And Mel's like.
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As a Canadian, I can assure you that we only learn the facts in
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dribs and drabs and those are it is hard, it is hard.
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We got Brisbane in the House, we got Washington, we got Nevada,
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Vancouver. Awesome.
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Thanks guys. Thanks for letting me know.
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We're going to go ahead and move on and get into this case
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because I know that's why you are here.
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OK. I want to start out with a
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statement from the medical Examiner's office.
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Let me bring this up. We will bring this.
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So this is a statement just from today.
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A lot of media outlets have been reporting on this.
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I thought that I would just go right to the horse's mouth, cut
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through the the fluff. So November 24th at 10:54 AM on
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Friday, November 21st, the County of Los Angeles Department
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of Medical Examiner, the department received a court
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order initiated by the Los Angeles Police Department, the
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LAPD to place a security hold on Medical Examiner case number
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202514252, Celeste Rivas Hernandez.
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No records or details associated with the case, including the
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cause and manner of death and medical examiner report can be
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released or posted on the website until further notice.
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And we reported on this on Friday when it became
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unsearchable. You could not find the case by
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searching the case number or or the name.
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OK quote. The department's mission is to
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have full transparency with the community by providing
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information about our cases to empower people to make changes
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that save lives, said Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Ode Akpo,
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continuing the quote. Since becoming the department
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head, I've worked on eradicating the practice of placing security
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holds on medical examiner cases simply by law enforcement
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request. The practice of security holds
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is virtually unheard of in other counties and has not been proven
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to improve outcomes in the legal system.
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We are dedicated to serving our community with full
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transparency. However, the law precludes us
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from doing so while the court order remains in this case.
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Close quote. The Department previously
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received a request for a security hold from the LAPD on
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this case on September 15th, which was denied due to
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insufficient justification to warrant the hold.
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The Department understands the public's interest in this case
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and remains committed to transparency when possible.
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Information will be made available once the court order
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is lifted. And then for questions about the
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court order timeline and the law enforcement investigation into
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this death, please contact the LAPD.
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Basically saying, hey, leave me alone.
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I don't want to do this. I want to give you the
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information. I want to release the cause and
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manner of death. I want to release all the
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information, but the court is not letting me do that.
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So that brings me over to a report from TMZ, which, you
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know, I know that TMZ guys, I know that TMZ is really kind of
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a a tabloid celebrity news, kind of a kind of a publication.
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I get it, I get it. It's not like New York Times
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here or, you know, LA Times or whatever.
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However, I've been watching their coverage of this and I
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think they've been doing a good job.
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So until they prove to me that they're not, I, I actually think
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that they are probably the ones with with one of the ones with
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the best information on the street.
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So this is a report from the 22nd.
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This would be Saturday. Celeste Rivas's body was
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discovered frozen, cause of death likely and determined.
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OK, Celeste Rivas's body had been frozen.
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And as a result, it looks the LA County Medical examiner will not
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be able to establish A cause of death.
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Sources directly connected to the investigation tell TMZ.
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Let's talk about unnamed sources.
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I hate unnamed sources, especially if it's one source.
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However, it has been commonplace in in media here in the United
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States now for 40 years to use unnamed sources.
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And it boils down to whether I believe, whether you believe the
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media outlet, if these sources are legit, I am of the belief
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that they are. I think that I, I think that
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they probably got an inside source here, which is what
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journalists are supposed to do. It's a good thing, OK?
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According to those sources, continues the article.
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The medical examiner received the body in horrendous
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condition. It was decapitated and while the
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torso was intact, the limbs had been removed and cut into
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multiple pieces, which takes, I mean, it takes a lot of
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intestinal fortitude, I would imagine, to do something like
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that. We're told all of the body parts
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were partially frozen and had apparently been thawing out
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while sitting in the trunk of David's Tesla.
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Remember, David's vehicle had not been moved for several days
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when it was parked in a Hollywood Hills street near his
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rental home, which resulted in it getting towed and then the
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body being found. As TMZ reported, Celeste's body
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was in such bad shape, initially, investigators did not
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know if it was male or female. When the body was received by
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the Emmy's office, the initial determination was this was a
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victim of an apparent homicide. But our sources say the Emmy is
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now having trouble establishing an official manner or cause of
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death. And quote it will be, it will
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most likely be undetermined. Hey, let's see, let me finish
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the article and then I, I have some thoughts on frozen bodies,
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OK? Other sources connected to the
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investigation tell TMZ the LAPD's Robbery Homicide Division
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is reviewing Celeste's death as a homicide.
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And even if the official cause of death is undetermined,
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authorities can move forward with an arrest.
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Yes, they can. TMZ broke the story.
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David is now considered a suspect in Celeste's death.
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What's more, TMZ has learned there's a second suspect who
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authorities believe help David in the dismemberment of Celeste
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Spotty. Remember Tesla's record
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everything, guys. There are front facing cameras.
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There are rear facing cameras. There are rear side facing
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cameras. Talk about just the dumbest
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criminal to choose that place to hide A body.
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And it's recorded. It is recorded.
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And my imagination is just going what like I hadn't even thought
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of this when we lived back in California and I worked for LH
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labs. I drove a Tesla Model S Yeah.
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And it it was that one was pre self driving.
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But the, the technology on that thing, it yeah, the, it didn't
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occur to me that not only would the LAPD be able to issue
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warrants to cell phone companies and, you know, like security
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camera footage and stuff like that, but directly to Tesla,
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they, they may not have even had to download it off of the car.
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They may have been able to get it directly from Tesla
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corporate. So yeah, let me continue with
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this. Mark Geragos appeared on the
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most recent 2 Angry Men podcast and said he knows the name of
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the second suspect, and authorities have told him this
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person might be involved before, during and after Celeste's
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death. We're going to watch a clip of
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that, OK? TMZ also broke the story.
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A critical part of the case involves a trip investigators
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say David took to a remote area of Santa Barbara County in the
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middle of the night back in the spring, where he spent two
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hours. Now, if I remember my California
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geography, which I really don't, I believe Santa Barbara is north
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of the LA basin on the coast. Let me let me just go to maps,
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real quick maps. So yes, OK Oh yeah, barely.
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N so let me bring it up over here.
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So the Los Angeles area is down here.
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We're going to zoom up. Santa Barbara is along the coast
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north of north of Los Angeles, by the way.
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By the way, guys, if you ever just want to visit maybe the
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most picturesque place on earth, it's got to be the slow area.
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San Luis Obispo. They they say San Luis Obispo
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there, San Luis Obispo and Morro Bay.
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Oh, my goodness, it's beautiful. Santa Barbara, I think, is a
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close second. It's just, yeah, beautiful,
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beautiful. But apparently, they took a trip
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up to Santa Barbara County in the middle of the night back in
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the spring. And they believe, according to
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reports before Celeste was murdered in the spring and she
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has been frozen ever since. Now, before we get to let's see
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there, there's a little bit more, little bit more.
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Let's see if Celeste's body was taken to that area months before
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is discovered in LA. It seems the operating theory is
27:56
the body parts were put in some sort of freezer for a long time
28:00
before it ended up in David's Tesla in the late summer.
28:03
Yeah. OK, Let me before we watch that
28:05
clip, let me talk about the frozen body, OK?
28:12
You guys may remember that I have covered at length a case
28:18
so, so egregious that it is stuck with me for a long, long
28:25
time. And that is the case of Amanda
28:27
Lynn Winkowski. If you join me over on my
28:29
website, Amanda was killed back in 2008.
28:33
OK, and this is the first did I? I didn't push the right button.
28:38
There we go. Amanda went missing in December
28:41
of 2008, and her body was not found until the first well into
28:45
the second week of January 2009. She was frozen solid, discarded
28:50
into an outdoor trash can. She was naked.
28:53
She was upside down. It it's a horrible, horrible
28:55
story. However, I learned a lot on that
29:01
story. I've become close with her
29:02
family, her sister, her mother, her brothers, several people
29:07
around that story. It's just such an egregious
29:09
story. Check it out.
29:10
If you if you haven't seen my coverage of this yet, this is
29:13
way back in the day and there's so many case documents on it, so
29:16
many news stories. But being that Celeste's body
29:23
was frozen may give the medical examiner more ability and a
29:29
greater chance of success with toxicology.
29:33
Because in the TMZ article, it says that her body was still
29:39
partially frozen, that we thaw from the outside in, right?
29:44
So there might still be urine analysis, urine that was frozen,
29:49
blood that was frozen, bile that was frozen.
29:53
There could, there could be all sorts of like cardiac blood that
29:59
was frozen, femoral blood that may have still been frozen.
30:04
So we, we may, because of this, they may, I should say the
30:14
medical examiner's office and investigators, they may have a
30:17
chance at getting good toxicology on this, which I
30:21
think I, I don't think that I, I just don't think that there was
30:25
an overdose here. I really, I call it a hunch.
30:28
I just, you don't hide an overdose by chopping somebody up
30:32
into bits and, and freezing them for months.
30:37
You don't do that, right? Who does that?
30:39
I mean, stupid people do. And it's possible that it's
30:42
possible, but I don't think it's probable.
30:44
I think it's more probable that there was an actual murder, like
30:50
a murder murder, not an overdose murderer, a hands on murder and
31:00
proving that there was no overdose I think would go a long
31:03
way in the investigation. OK, so that's just my thought
31:07
about it, but let's let me take you over to I didn't get a
31:14
button ready. That's this.
31:16
OK, This is about a 6 minute clip from the 2 Angry Men
31:21
podcast. Mark Geragos is the Gray haired
31:26
man with a blue background. And then what's his name from
31:30
TMZ? Why can't I remember his name?
31:35
I can't, I'm blanking. It doesn't matter, but Mark
31:38
Geragos is a long time Los Angeles County attorney.
31:43
He is an attorney to the stars. He is a defense attorney.
31:47
His list of clients is long. He's highly paid, He's highly
31:50
connected. And that's the thing right now,
31:54
TMZ, while being tabloidish in nature, they have proven
32:00
themselves to be pretty darn good investigators too.
32:02
So I just clipped about 6 minutes out of the 2 Angry Men
32:07
podcast. You can get this on TMZ.com, but
32:11
let's have a listen to what they're talking about.
32:16
Let me tell you what what we know, because it aligns with
32:19
what you just said, that in the spring David took a trip to a
32:25
very remote area of Santa Barbara County in the middle of
32:28
the night and spent several hours there.
32:32
We have also been told, yes, there was another suspect, but
32:37
the suspect is. Sorry, it's Harvey Levin or
32:41
Levin, right? That's that's who is speaking
32:44
here. Is somebody they believe helped
32:46
him dismember the body because what we were told by multiple
32:52
sources is they believe that more than one person dismembered
32:57
the body now I don't think they can conclude that just by
33:00
looking at it I mean look Jeffrey Dahmer dismembered a
33:03
body completely and he did it alone so there's some reason
33:06
they're saying he had help and it's not just the way the body
33:10
was cut up so here's my theory and and and I've got a little
33:15
bit of evidence on this too but my theory is that that they may
33:21
have done this in Santa Barbara County and the reason there may
33:26
be another suspect is that yes there was cell phone there was
33:32
there cell phone data but I think more important there might
33:35
be Tesla video. Remember, Tesla has cameras on
33:39
the car and the LAPD, we're told has gained access to that data
33:45
and pot and and clearly that video.
33:48
What if there is video of not just David in the car, but a
33:54
second person in the car? And then the question, do they
34:00
have any evidence the body was possibly dismembered there?
34:05
I'm going to tell you something and I cannot be more specific,
34:09
but there was an offhanded comment made to me by somebody.
34:17
Let me address this question by Garth B Nutt.
34:20
OK, so I don't want to overstate, I just don't want to
34:26
overstate any connection that I have to Tesla.
34:29
I have no inside knowledge. I I have very little inside
34:37
knowledge of Tesla. Very little.
34:39
OK, but here's the thing. Part of the user agreement of
34:45
driving a Tesla is that you share data back to Tesla.
34:50
So can a user can an operator disable cameras?
34:56
It's possible that the interface might be able to disable cameras
35:01
maybe, but I don't think it actually does because those
35:05
cameras are part of the sensing system in in the self driving
35:10
features. It's it's part of it.
35:13
And so all of that has to be processed.
35:16
Some of it is processed on actually in real time.
35:21
It's processed on board the Tesla, but then I believe it's
35:26
all uploaded to Tesla for analysis later on.
35:30
So even if they disabled it, I still think that there is a
35:34
recording out of that Tesla. Connected to all of this about
35:39
possibly hiding the body there and just the words hiding the
35:44
body and it was supposed kind of as a hypothetical, but it's
35:48
somebody with some knowledge. And So what I'm thinking is that
35:54
I don't think they took Celeste to Santa Barbara County and
35:58
killed her. If that's indeed what happened
36:00
to Celeste, whatever happened probably happened somewhere
36:04
else, maybe in LA, and that the body was taken to Santa Barbara
36:09
County and maybe the body was dismembered there.
36:12
And now what I can't answer is how does it then end up in his
36:15
trunk? And that I can't figure out back
36:18
in Los Angeles. But that Santa Barbara trip is
36:23
the key to this case. Mark, I'm telling you, I've been
36:27
on the phone personally on this one, and that Santa Barbara trip
36:31
is the key. Yeah.
36:33
And by the way, the the whiplash that I've talked about in terms
36:39
of the reporting on this as well, that whiplash also had to
36:44
do with at first they weren't even sure that it was
36:48
dismembered because of the degradation.
36:53
And so that took a little while, which was another reason they
36:56
were being so kind of tight and close to the vest, so to speak.
37:01
But it wasn't just, I'm told it was not just the trip itself, it
37:09
was the confirmation of the social media.
37:14
And for those who think that, and I know I've, I've heard
37:18
people talk about this and, and people who are frequently on
37:23
social media, they think that the phone is the only thing that
37:27
is tracking you. But when you post that, whether
37:31
it's posting on the phone or anything else, the use of the
37:34
social media platform itself is basically something that is
37:40
utilized as well that can determine your location.
37:45
And so if you've got that, you've got your phone, you've
37:48
got a time when you post some kind of a social media story, if
37:56
you will. All of these things have now
37:59
been utilized and is one of the reasons it's taken so long
38:02
because search warrants have been executed on a number of
38:06
these platforms or providers and.
38:09
Yeah, this is this is a very good and like again, this is
38:13
coming from a criminal defense attorney, right.
38:15
With seriously ACV, as long as my arm, I've got long arms.
38:21
I wish they were longer, but I mean, this guy has so much
38:24
experience, the digital forensics on this that the LAPD
38:29
I'm sure has access to from so many warrants they've obtained,
38:34
including the car, including the phones, including any social
38:37
media, anything that they did. I think they've got so much
38:42
digital evidence that it's going to be overwhelming when it comes
38:46
to the prosecution. They were waiting to get back
38:49
the information. They also have clearly have yet
38:54
another person that is a target of this, not just the David, but
38:58
they've got somebody else. And I haven't heard yet whether
39:02
that person is talking or cooperating.
39:04
But if it's anything like the feds, the first person in is the
39:08
person who's going to try to talk or cut a deal.
39:11
We need to talk about this. So my information is that the
39:16
other suspect and or suspects has to do with dismembering the
39:22
body. Is your information that this
39:25
could actually have to do with her death?
39:29
Yeah, and I've got a name, but I'm not going to put it out
39:31
there. I've already been told the name
39:32
as well. And a name of a of a suspect.
39:35
Of a of a another person besides him.
39:38
In connection with the death or the dismemberment.
39:41
But they're not ruling anything out.
39:43
I mean, everything is on the table.
39:45
They, they have kept this wide open because they believe and
39:50
they believed since the beginning, since the get go,
39:54
that there was more than one person involved.
39:56
Which by the way, you and I had talked about this way back when
40:00
that it appeared that there had to be more people than just
40:06
David who were involved at least or knew something that was going
40:11
on. They still, that's still a
40:12
working hypothesis. And I I know that they focused
40:16
in at least secondarily and have not ruled anything out as to
40:21
another person. All right, so, yeah, now the
40:26
question from before is who do I think the other person is?
40:29
I would have to. I don't even know David Shtick.
40:32
I, I, I I don't know anything about him other than you had a
40:38
house leased for him in the Hollywood Hills.
40:40
He drove a Tesla Model X and there was a body found drunk.
40:44
That's all I know about his shtick.
40:46
So I have no idea who on his crew, who in his inner circle he
40:50
would trust with the disposal of a body, assuming he did it, of
40:56
course, is all alleged is all just suspected.
41:01
Yeah, I've, I have no idea. Now there was one of the
41:03
question that I think is a good question that I wanted to bring
41:07
up from Meredith. If she was frozen, how was she
41:09
so decomposed it in it that Meredith that has to do with the
41:16
the fact that the body cools. It's a it's a heat transfer
41:21
issue, right? So the body, I'm sorry, warms
41:24
from the outside in. So what I'm saying is there they
41:28
said that there were still frozen pieces.
41:31
And I would imagine that that is in the core.
41:34
The core of each piece may have still been frozen.
41:38
So that means the bladder, that means the gallbladder, that
41:42
means intestines, that means the liver.
41:47
But at the same time, I mean, it obviously started to smell.
41:51
So decomp was happening on the outer pieces or maybe maybe even
41:55
on smaller pieces, right? Pieces that I mean, because I
42:00
mean, I'm just theorizing here, but if it's all put together in
42:04
like 1 big bundle, then you know, it will, it will act as
42:14
has one big, you know, heat transfer.
42:17
I don't, what's the word that I'm looking for one big unit of,
42:22
of cold that needs to transfer heat.
42:24
But if there are multiple bags, maybe there's something small
42:28
like, and I'm sorry to I'm sorry about this because it does seem
42:31
so disrespectful. And I mean no disrespect to our
42:33
victim, but something small like fingers or hands or feet or
42:38
something like that, that are by themselves, they could decomp,
42:43
they could warm faster, they could start to decompose sooner,
42:50
whereas the larger pieces might stay frozen.
42:53
But that's all just complete conjecture.
42:56
And again, I I mean no disrespect to to our victim here
43:02
because she is a victim. Content Angel 2131 says Geragos
43:06
knows the Santa Barbara system too because he repped Michael
43:09
Jackson. That's right.
43:10
Yeah, he was Michael Jackson's attorney.
43:16
Content Angel. So your Tesla footage isn't just
43:18
available to the driver. I thought it worked like DVR.
43:22
So again, not tons of inside information here, but as a data
43:26
analyst thinking about how I would design the system, no, I I
43:34
would, I would make it so that footage is uploaded on the
43:38
frequent anytime, anytime there's a good Internet
43:41
connection. And I'm not sure if Tesla's are
43:44
now on 5G or if they're still LTEI think they're 5G.
43:49
So anytime they're charging, I would have it uploading if if I
43:55
designed that system. So yeah, like, don't commit
44:00
crime or out of Tesla. Don't do that.
44:03
You know what? Here's an idea.
44:06
Just don't commit crime. Just don't do that and be that
44:09
that's what we should do. OK, so let me take you over to
44:14
this next article, also from TMZ, this one from yesterday.
44:22
Bring this up house David rented had freezer points of interest
44:28
for cops. This is again TMZ singer.
44:31
David, a suspect in the presumed homicide of Celeste Rivas, had a
44:35
large a freezer large enough to store a body.
44:37
A relevant fact since her body had apparently been frozen for
44:41
months. I doubt that it would be in that
44:45
freezer. And now listen, I want that
44:50
kitchen. Oh my goodness, what have we
44:53
got? We've got 4 ovens.
44:56
We've got looks like, Oh my goodness, trash compactor,
45:02
dishwasher, convection microwave, got ATV in there, got
45:06
that amazing refrigerator, freezer.
45:09
You know, our kitchen, our kitchen was remodeled.
45:13
Our house was built in 19 O3 and our kitchen was remodeled in
45:17
like 1996. So it's, it looks old, right?
45:20
It's a 30 year old kitchen, but the previous owners did US the
45:26
the service of putting 3 ovens in our kitchen.
45:31
And you might ask yourself, why would anybody need 3 ovens?
45:35
I'm telling you, it is the most amazing thing.
45:39
Add in the pizza oven and we got 4 ovens man.
45:43
We got 4 ovens and we've got Thanksgiving coming up.
45:46
Dude. Dude, I'm.
45:49
I love, I love our kitchen. You know what I love?
45:53
I love this kitchen more, though.
45:54
Grass is always greener, right? Gavin.
45:57
Gavin. Gavin.
46:05
Yeah, that's right. It was a tangent.
46:06
It was a tangent. I apologize, but yeah, OK.
46:10
I don't think that they would be storing Celeste in the kitchen
46:14
freezer, but OK. Check out this photo of David's
46:19
rental home. It was taken a few years ago and
46:20
it shows a kitchen with a KitchenAid refrigerator freezer,
46:23
the freezer site. Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
46:25
blah. OK.
46:27
However, there, there's one other, there was one other that
46:33
I wanted this right here, right? There's also a video that has
46:37
surfaced on social media from September 4th, 2024, showing
46:41
David in a house, not his rental, with an appliance box
46:44
behind him. The box appears to be a
46:45
convertible chest freezer with a removable storage basket has a
46:50
capacity of 7 cubic feet. By the way, the last video of
46:53
Celeste we've seen was September 2024.
46:57
We don't know if this freezer has any connection to the case,
47:00
but the timing is off. This is kind of pretty
47:03
suspicious journalism. And here I am reading that.
47:07
Remember, authorities say David went to a remote area of Santa
47:10
Barbara County in spring 2025, and that's where they believe
47:13
Celeste's body was dismembered. As we reported, authorities
47:18
believe the body had been frozen for an extended period of time.
47:22
So anyway, what is this? Honestly, please don't tell me
47:33
what? OK.
47:36
Anyway, anyway, I wanted to bring you that story.
47:39
So that is the update that we have so far on Celeste Rivas
47:43
Hernandez. Let me bring her photo up one
47:47
more time and let's just go and check in on your comments, see
47:51
if there's anything content. Angel 2131.
47:55
Wow, what a great set of data. I knew none of this.
47:59
Love how you put it all together.
48:00
Thank you. If you think it's a murder,
48:03
what's your theory on motive? OK, Meredith, great question.
48:07
Great question. So as you know, and we talked to
48:13
Josh Ritter about this just what last week, motive is not
48:18
something that has to be proven in court.
48:19
However, it is something that that really helps with juries.
48:25
Juries love it. Juries love a motive.
48:28
We all love a motive. And, and I was on with Vinny
48:30
Politan. He asked me the same question
48:31
about the motive. In which case were we talking?
48:35
Katie Scott, right. I I think in the case of of
48:42
Celeste, a couple of things #1 she was a 14 year old girl and
48:49
she was starting to say things publicly, like David was R
48:56
wording children, essaying children.
49:00
We've seen the clip, right? It was definitely hers,
49:03
definitely him. Was she becoming a little bit of
49:06
a problem? Was she becoming a little more
49:09
assertive? Maybe it was something that was
49:13
done accidentally in the course of of essaying her again, 20
49:19
years old, she was 14. Their relationship is suspicious
49:24
and should be looked into for sure.
49:29
So I guess the, I guess to answer your question, I don't
49:33
know, but I, I suspect one of two things.
49:37
One, she was becoming more of a problem, or two, it was done in
49:43
the heat of passion. So, yeah, Matthew says Gavin,
49:49
how old was Celeste? And would that have anything to
49:51
do with her being murdered? Yeah, she was 14.
49:54
She was 14 when she was murdered.
49:57
She would have, I think she was found around her 15th birthday,
50:02
maybe like a day or two after something like that.
50:04
Somebody remind me, But she was 14 when she was murdered.
50:08
David was 20 when they started their relationship.
50:12
He was 18 and she was 12. Whatever that relationship was,
50:16
it could have been innocent. I don't know.
50:18
But yeah, that I think that has to do.
50:23
I think that probably has a lot to do with her being murdered.
50:26
Also, listen, I've said this a million times.
50:35
What was the name of the little girl down in Houston?
50:37
Jocelyn Nungary. Do you remember that story?
50:40
Do you remember a little Jocelyn Nungary who snuck out?
50:47
She snuck out of her Houston area apartment to go to the 711
50:53
and she was never seen again. Two men, 2 I think.
50:57
Venice Solanos, if I remember correctly, murdered her, right?
51:06
She thought that she was perfectly safe just walking to
51:09
the 711 and this little girl, beautiful little girl, right?
51:15
So, so much. So much in her future that could
51:20
have could. I mean, so much that could have
51:23
been. I think had no idea how much
51:28
violence a man can perpetrate. Can.
51:37
Yeah, just. I just don't think that she
51:40
understood because of her own youth and ignorance.
51:44
What is that line from, let's see, from Cat Stevens?
51:54
You're too young. That's your fault.
51:57
There's so much you need to know, Right?
52:00
Youth, inexperience and just absolute dill.
52:04
No, they're not dill holes. They're just ignorant.
52:07
And I'm talking like me. And when I was that age and our
52:11
children and everybody I've ever known, they just don't
52:14
understand. And, and young women, girls need
52:19
to understand that there are predators out there that can do
52:23
so much violence. So much violence.
52:27
Yeah. Denise White 80550.
52:31
We're running out of time, so this will be our last comment.
52:33
And then we're going to get to 3 questions.
52:35
Where is her family? Do they care?
52:37
Yeah, she was a habitual runaway.
52:39
It does seem like there were some family.
52:42
She's a home there in Lake Elsinore, CA, kind of north of
52:46
the LA basin, if I remember, again, my geography correctly.
52:49
Thank you for that. Thank you for that question.
52:51
All right, guys, it's time for three questions.
52:56
It's 3 questions. Pow.
53:06
OK guys, you know 3 questions. Three questions.
53:09
This is the deal, OK, You can ask me any question you want.
53:14
Nothing's off the table, as evidenced by like this the
53:18
funniest sex question that we had last week, but nothing's off
53:25
the table. But here are the rules.
53:27
You can't ask me the questions in the live stream.
53:33
If you got to e-mail it to me, 3 questions at
53:35
gavinspitgavinfish.com spelled out THR EE questions at
53:40
gavinfish.com. And as they come in, I, I will,
53:46
you know, I will answer them. So where do we need to go?
53:49
We need to go right over here. So if you have questions for me,
53:53
it could be anything, send them in.
53:58
Where am I trying to go? First question, question number
54:00
one, do you plan to ever permanently return to
54:04
California? Why or why not?
54:08
It's not out of the question. It's not out of the question.
54:11
Kimberly and I are both pretty adventurous people.
54:13
We've moved around a lot. The house that we live in now,
54:17
the place that we live, we have lived over eight years, the
54:21
longest we've ever stayed in any home.
54:24
It's the longest by far. Previous to that, our record was
54:27
three years. We've been married 26.
54:30
I think I, I can, I always forget this, but I think in our
54:33
26 years of marriage we have lived in 14 homes.
54:39
So we move around quite a bit now.
54:42
My parents are aging. You guys know that my dad has
54:46
been battling lymphoma for the last about 7 years now and going
54:52
back for my birthday to visit my parents was terrific dispense of
54:55
time. We used to live right around the
54:59
corner from them and you know we lived in two houses right around
55:03
the corner from them. The last house that we lived in
55:05
in California was maybe 3 miles away.
55:09
So the idea of moving back to California to be close to my
55:13
parents and close to Kimberly's parents is something that is
55:17
becoming more important the older they get.
55:19
Having said that, out here in Western PA, we we live in a in a
55:27
beautiful home that we love. That is everything I ever
55:31
wanted. It's way more than Kimberly ever
55:33
wanted. She she's wanted out since the
55:35
day we moved in. But to get a house even 1/4 of
55:39
this size in the area that where we would like to live, that is
55:43
an expensive proposition. It's very expensive.
55:48
So yeah, in order to do it, there would have to be some
55:53
there. There would have to be some
55:54
incentive, some financial incentive to do it as well.
55:59
So that's the why or why not? Also, I, I mean, I wouldn't mind
56:04
living in Timbuktu. I'd love to live in Argentina
56:08
again. We visited Portugal.
56:09
I'd love to live in Portugal. There are places here in the
56:12
United States I'd love to live. We are very adventurous people
56:15
and nothing's off the table for us.
56:17
And you know, any time that we say, hey, this is our last home
56:21
and never is, never is we, we just, we're Rolling Stones.
56:26
Kimberly and I question #2 have you ever been to my native
56:31
country of Bulgaria? And do you know where it is
56:35
located? I do know where Bulgaria is
56:37
located. It's in the Balkans.
56:39
I think the closest I've ever been to Bulgaria is probably
56:42
Bucharest, which is in Romania. I've been to brass off in
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Romania and Bucharest are the are the two places that I've
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spent anytime anywhere near the Balkans.
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I think Romania is still part of the Balkans.
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I do have a nephew who spent time as a missionary in Albania
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and N Macedonia. I have a cousin whose son is
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doing the same thing right now in North Macedonia.
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So yeah, I'm, I'm really familiar with the Balkans and I
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think they're beautiful. In fact, I, Romania is one of
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the countries that Kimberly and I would consider living in.
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As I, I speak some romantic languages.
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Romanian is not is unlike many languages in the area that are
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more slavically based, Romania is or is a romantic language.
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So I kind of, and I used to employ so many people from
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Romania and it was really fun because we could speak to one
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another. I would speak to them in Spanish
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or Italian. They would speak to me in in
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Romanian and we could hold simple conversations with one
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another. So that's one of the places that
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I would definitely consider living one of these days.
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So yeah, I definitely know where Bulgaria is.
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When I was a kid, I thought Bulgaria was a place where it
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was a Kingdom where children were not allowed and they were
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caught by a child catcher and imprisoned.
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But it turns out that that is Vulgaria from the classic
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children's tale Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
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Bulgaria is a very different place.
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Where was your first date with your wife?
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OK, I'm running out of time. I'm trying to keep this to about
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an hour. Got a couple minutes.
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Kimberly told me to just be, just to be simple about this,
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OK, But our first date was amazing.
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OK, our first date was amazing. Here was the deal.
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OK, I need to set this up. First of all, I had spent about
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4 1/2 years moping. Two of those years of course
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were in Argentina was moping. And then 2 1/2 of those years
59:06
were back stateside moping until the day I met this heavenly
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creature on earth named Kimberly Compton.
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And we, we met on a Sunday, OK, on that Sunday.
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It was, it was the first Sunday in June of 1999.
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I don't remember the exact date. First Sunday in June, I went to
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church, to a new church and I was with my new roommate.
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We had, we had moved into an apartment together in Fair Oaks,
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CA and they're in Fair Oaks. That might be Carmichael at that
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point, but that in that area, there's there was the church
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that we went to and we went and I was chatting with my roommate.
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We're just kind of getting to know each other.
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We had gone to school together a little bit.
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And in walks this amazing woman, very different from anybody else
1:00:07
I had ever seen in my life. It was the she she carried
1:00:14
herself tall, she her shoulders. Were tucked back and her chin
1:00:21
was up and she knew exactly who she was and she knew exactly how
1:00:26
valuable she was. And I saw it.
1:00:29
I saw her. I saw it as in the behavior.
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And I said in that very moment to my roommate, I'm going to ask
1:00:40
her to marry me. And then he laughed and I was
1:00:43
dead serious. I I saw exactly what I wanted to
1:00:47
see. OK, now imagine my surprise the
1:00:51
next. Now we chatted that day at
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church. There was like a little activity
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and she was friends with a friend of mine and we were we
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were chatting. She was amazing.
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She was everything that I wanted that everything that I ever
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thought I wanted. OK, the next day we had a little
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church activity again and we were going to go roller skating.
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For those of you in the Sacramento area, Roseville, it
1:01:17
was not Roller King out in Roseville.
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It was what was it called? Is it Sunrise Roller Land in
1:01:27
Citrus Heights where we were going to go roller skating as a
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little church young single adult group.
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I got there early excited because Kimberly Compton said
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she was going to be there and I was going to like, try to hold
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her hand. We're going to roller skate,
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right? So anyway, she walks in holding
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the hand of another guy that I did not know.
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And I went and I was like, devastated.
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I was devastated. She had a boyfriend.
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And so I went to the activity, but about 10 minutes in, I was
1:02:01
just so broken hearted that I left.
1:02:04
Tried not to pout, tried to be a good sport, just like really
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slyly head on out, get on home because I was just heartbroken.
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OK, so that was Monday. Tuesday morning I woke up and I
1:02:18
was so broken hearted that this girl that I wanted to ask to
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marry me after seeing her for the first time had a boyfriend
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that I called in sick to work. I called in sick.
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OK, this is going on too long, but this, this is how it went.
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So that was Tuesday at about 5:00 in the afternoon when our
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mutual friend Tiffany came home. I called her up and I asked her
1:02:48
if she just wanted to go grab dinner or something.
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So we did. We went out to dinner and we
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were buddies and I was obviously moping.
1:02:57
I was obviously sad and Tiffany is like OK, what's the problem
1:03:00
Gavin? And I was like, can't really
1:03:05
have the morning rent. And I want to ask her to marry
1:03:07
me, Mama. And Tiffany told me that that if
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I called her invite and invited her over, she would come.
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And I was afraid, but I'd been moping for 4 1/2 years.
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Guys been moping. And UN uncharacteristically me,
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I took Tiffany's advice. And I called Kimberly said, hey,
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Tiffany and her boyfriend are coming over tonight.
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We're just going to, like, swim and hang out in the hot tub.
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Do you want to come? And she said, yeah, so that was
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that was Tuesday night. OK.
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So then the four of us are there.
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We're hanging out and we're having a good time.
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And Tiffany's like, hey, David and I are are, are going to San,
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are going to Half Moon Bay tomorrow.
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Why don't you guys come? We're like, yeah, that sounds
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fun. Half Moon Bay is South of San
1:04:01
Francisco, north of Monterey Bay.
1:04:03
And David was a private pilot. I was not.
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At this point, I in fact, the idea of learning to fly an
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airplane, I thought was only reserved for people in the Air
1:04:14
Force. And their plan was they were
1:04:17
going to fly from Sacramento down to Half Moon Bay.
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And David had rented a little, little plane.
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And so I asked him, really, do you want to come?
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And she said, yeah. So the next day I go to work,
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I'm feeling better. I, you know, really looking
1:04:37
forward to the evening when we, when we go on our date, I rush
1:04:43
home from work, I get ready, I run over to Kimberly's house, I
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pick her up, she's looking great.
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And we run over to Sacramento Executive Airport and David and
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Tiffany are already there. They've already pre flighted the
1:04:54
aircraft. And I don't want you to think
1:04:58
that this was like a Pretty Woman moment, like this was a
1:05:01
Learjet or something. This was an old 1950s model
1:05:04
Cessna Skylane. And it's, it's, Kimberly likes
1:05:09
to describe it as a Volkswagen Beetle with wings.
1:05:11
Small for a place. It's, it's much better than a
1:05:15
Volkswagen Beetle with wings. But that's what she likes to
1:05:17
say. She thought she was doing a
1:05:18
Pretty Woman thing. But anyway, we get in the plane,
1:05:23
we take off out of Sacramento very, very close to sunset,
1:05:28
right? It's late.
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Well, very close. It's within a couple hours, an
1:05:34
hour, maybe something like that. We head down South and David
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flies us the most picturesque route just down over Oakland.
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We go across the Bay Bridge and just as we're crossing the
1:05:49
Golden Gate Bridge, the sun is setting over the Golden Gate
1:05:54
Bridge and there we are flying into the sun as it sets, going
1:05:59
Golden Gate Bridge, going over it, and then we turn left and
1:06:04
head South. This Half Moon Bay where we land
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in the dark, tie down the plane and we just walked to a pizza
1:06:12
place right off of the airport, grabbed a pizza and then went
1:06:17
down to the harbor, sat on the dock with our feet in the water
1:06:20
and ate pizza. That was our first date.
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That was a good date. So our first date was Half Moon
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Bay, CA and I think, I think maybe this now the swimming you
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don't count as the first date. This was our first date.
1:06:38
That was also the time that I was like, hey, I could learn to
1:06:42
fly an airplane. I really like this.
1:06:43
So that was that. And that is 3 questions with
1:06:49
Gavin Fish. It's three questions with Gavin
1:06:53
Fish. Pow OK guys, thank you so much
1:07:02
for spending some time with me tonight.
1:07:03
I went a few minutes over. We just had a lot to cover
1:07:06
tonight, but I'm glad that you stuck with me to the end.
1:07:09
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Let me see if I can get to it and click up on this little link
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1:07:32
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Amanda Wenkowski's. 6:00 PM is where we're going to start on
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December 1st, so don't forget that.
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1:07:47
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