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Can the Brain Heal? Neuroregeneration and Brain Health with Dr Greg Eckel · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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Speaker 1: Dr. Greg Eggle, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having
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Speaker 1: me on. I think you're the first person we've ever
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Speaker 1: had from Utah.
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Speaker 2: And we were just having a conversation just before I
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Speaker 2: got on that I was in Utah in 1995 or 1996.
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Speaker 2: and a place called Bryce Canyon that was unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: You know, we have five national parks in Utah, so
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Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm the ambassador, the first on the show.
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Speaker 1: I'm coming at you from Park City, and that is
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Speaker 1: in southern Utah, and the geography there is from another planet, really.
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Speaker 1: It is absolutely stunning.
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Speaker 2: I actually thought, because we visited Grand Canyon in the
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Speaker 2: same time, we did this sort of loop and around
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Speaker 2: Arizona and stuff. And oh my God, the scenery was amazing.
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Speaker 2: But I thought that Bryce Canyon blew Grand Canyon out
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Speaker 2: of the water.
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Speaker 1: I really did. That's awesome.
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Speaker 2: But we're not here to talk about Utah and to
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Speaker 2: sell Utah as a destination, although I I do recommend
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Speaker 2: that people go and see it if they're in the States.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about you and your journey. And really,
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Speaker 2: we're going to focus on brain health.
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Speaker 1: But there was.
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Speaker 2: A bit of a very unfortunate incident in your past
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Speaker 2: that kind of changed how you thought about things.
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Speaker 1: Would you mind sharing that with us? Yeah. You know,
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Speaker 1: life path, life history, the school of living, and some
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Speaker 1: call it the hard knocks. You know, I've been in
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Speaker 1: practice 25 years as a naturopathic doctor and Chinese medicine
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Speaker 1: practitioner out of Portland, Oregon, and now into Park City, Utah.
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Speaker 1: And what was it? It was 13 years ago. I
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Speaker 1: met a woman like all good stories start with that.
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Speaker 3: Line.
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Speaker 1: I met a woman and this woman found a chamber
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Speaker 1: in my heart that I did not know existed. And,
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Speaker 1: you know, we, I thought she was put here by aliens,
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Speaker 1: kind of ideal on so many fronts and interests. And
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Speaker 1: she was in medicine, certified nurse, midwife, nurse practitioner. You know,
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Speaker 1: we fast forward, we blended our families together, her three children,
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Speaker 1: my two, we even had a maid named Alice. just
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Speaker 1: like the Brady Bunch, if you're familiar with that show. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm not, no. So it was from the 70s here
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Speaker 1: in the U.S. They had a blended family. It was
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Speaker 1: like the first blended family on television. So we, you know... In,
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Speaker 1: I guess, the American family tradition, that's what we did.
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Speaker 1: And we bought a house together. We blended our families together.
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Speaker 1: We blended our medical practices together. And for any female
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Speaker 1: women listeners, you know, going to the gynecologist is not
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Speaker 1: your most favorite visit of the year. But Soraya had
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Speaker 1: this way about her of levity. And they would come
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Speaker 1: out of the room, dance in a jig, sing a
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Speaker 1: little tune. And In buying a house, you know, it's stressful.
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Speaker 1: It's one of the top five stressors of that process
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Speaker 1: in life. And Soraya started to exhibit some memory changes.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just little memory changes. It was we
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Speaker 1: had a orange fiesta ware. We had colored plates for
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Speaker 1: each of the kids. And there was an orange plate
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Speaker 1: that went missing. Thank heavens it wasn't one of the kids.
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Speaker 1: But it became fodder for the kids and I around
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Speaker 1: the dinner table. Like mom was up in the attic,
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Speaker 1: you know, five times today. And it was not just
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Speaker 1: once or twice, but it was over and over again.
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Speaker 1: And she had no memory of going into the kitchen cupboard,
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Speaker 1: going down the hall, winding up in the garage, going
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Speaker 1: upstairs in the attic and coming back empty handed of like,
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Speaker 1: I can't find the plate. Where's the plate? And it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about a plate. We can replace
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Speaker 1: the plate. But this memory lapse started to snowball. And
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Speaker 1: as a naturopathic doc at nine years ago, I thought, okay, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe this is perimenopause. She was young, 40 something. And
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Speaker 1: maybe it was hormonal change. Maybe there was some mold
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Speaker 1: in the environment that we weren't aware of. Like, the
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Speaker 1: common causes of early memory loss, right? So it was
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Speaker 1: beyond just a stress response at that point. And it
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Speaker 1: was one day, and I remember it just all too well,
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Speaker 1: my office manager, Chelsea, came up to me and said, hey, Doc,
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Speaker 1: Soraya just left the building. I'm like, what are you
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Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, her with her white lab jacket, stethoscope,
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Speaker 1: strolled through the lobby, said goodbye to her patients and
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Speaker 1: started walking the streets in Portland, Oregon with her laboratory
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Speaker 1: jacket and stethoscope on. And at that moment, I was like, okay,
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Speaker 1: we cannot ignore this anymore. We need to do something.
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Speaker 1: So we closed the practice and went looking for a solution.
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Speaker 1: And I had exhausted everything in my toolbox. And I
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Speaker 1: went back into the Western medical system, which is broken.
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Speaker 1: It was broken then. It's even further broken today. As
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Speaker 1: a medical provider professional, I I had a hard time
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Speaker 1: navigating it. We went into Kaiser. We had them as
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Speaker 1: our kind of corporate healthcare. They said it was a
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Speaker 1: psychotic break and prescribed antidepressants. I was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I've been in medicine too long. This is nothing that
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Speaker 1: I've seen. This is not a psychotic break. I didn't
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Speaker 1: take that as an answer. I went up to the
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Speaker 1: Amen Clinics in Tahoma. Daniel Amen, awesome facility. We got
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Speaker 1: a brain scan. Her limbic system lit up. We came
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Speaker 1: up with a program. But that was really the last
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Speaker 1: little piece of when I had her. It was rapidly
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Speaker 1: progressing dementia. In two months, Soraya lost the ability to
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Speaker 1: speak or feed herself. And I had to bring in
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Speaker 1: hospice care into the home. And boy, with the kids, family, practice,
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Speaker 1: full-time care on, wow, my wife, something unknown is happening here.
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Speaker 1: And the differential became... really ominous. And I always knew
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Speaker 1: Soraya was one in a million. Unfortunately, the medical community
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Speaker 1: agreed with me. On the differential was autoimmune encephalitis, no
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Speaker 1: known cure, and Critsville-Jacob disease, which is mad cow syndrome.
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Speaker 1: Mad cow syndrome, yeah, wow. And or it's spongiform encephalitis,
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Speaker 1: which is holy brain. It's made by prions, which are
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Speaker 1: misfolded proteins. So At the end, I wish I had
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Speaker 1: a happy ending here, Dr. Paul, but it is... You know,
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Speaker 1: navigating the system, it was heartbreaking. My back against the wall,
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Speaker 1: looking for solutions on how do you regenerate a brain
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Speaker 1: with two really, as of yet, uncurable conditions. I felt
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Speaker 1: uniquely positioned, just tragically broke my heart, ripped me open
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Speaker 1: as a human. 18 months from her first symptom to
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Speaker 1: when she left her body and passed. Yeah. It, um,
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Speaker 1: it changes you as a human. Um, it really gives you,
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Speaker 1: gave me a lot of perspective. It's been eight years ago.
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Speaker 1: I've since remarried, but I do know this. I do
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Speaker 1: the gifts of Soraya keep on giving. Um, it really
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Speaker 1: got me in touch. It reinstated my faith in such
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Speaker 1: a beautiful way. Um, And I mean, I just like, wow,
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Speaker 1: how how does that happen? Because I could have been
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Speaker 1: really angry at God for this ever happening. Like this
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Speaker 1: woman finds an area of my heart I didn't know exists.
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Speaker 1: Now she dies. It has allowed me to speak to
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Speaker 1: the heart of the matter, really gives great perspective and
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Speaker 1: a deep appreciation for these physical bodies, for life, the
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Speaker 1: miracle that we call Earth and this reality. And it
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Speaker 1: put me in touch with unity consciousness of, you know,
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Speaker 1: we're pretending to be separate in this reality. And We're
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Speaker 1: only here for a short, short period, so we should
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Speaker 1: really go for it and live our heart's desire. And
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Speaker 1: it put me on a mission. While I didn't go
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Speaker 1: after Kurtzfeld-Jakob disease, because it's a very, very rare condition,
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Speaker 1: In the prionic textbook, which are misfolded proteins, there's alpha-synuclein,
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Speaker 1: which is Parkinson's disease. There's beta-amyloid plaque for Alzheimer's. There's
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Speaker 1: tau proteins. There's Lewy bodies for Lewy body dementia. All
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Speaker 1: of these are misfolded proteins. So the trillion-dollar question for
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Speaker 1: me became, why do proteins misfold? And two, how do
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Speaker 1: you reverse and heal proteins? proteins that have become misfolded.
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Speaker 1: And so that has led to a specialty in neuro regeneration.
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Speaker 1: We developed the echo protocol. I didn't want people to
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Speaker 1: go it alone. It can be very isolating and lonely
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Speaker 1: with neuro degeneration, whether it be Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, dementia, traumatic
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Speaker 1: brain injuries, all of the neuro degeneration states. We have
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Speaker 1: one of the largest patient bases with an integrated functional
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Speaker 1: medicine testing. We have people travel in from around the
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Speaker 1: globe here for a brain camp, and then we support
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Speaker 1: them for a year-long program with what we do. And
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Speaker 1: we've developed some really significant technologies and a protocol that
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Speaker 1: actually can get really good outcomes for really hopeless diagnoses.
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Speaker 1: So it has been a wild ride. I don't wish
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Speaker 1: it on anyone. It has warped me in such a
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Speaker 1: beautiful way. For a while, I was a grief ambassador.
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Speaker 1: Because of that loss, I was very public with it
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Speaker 1: and allowing the emotions like we don't do grief in
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Speaker 1: our cultures very well.
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Speaker 4: What often happens, Damon, sorry, Greg, is we go to
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Speaker 4: a doctor and end up on frigging antidepressants because of grief.
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Speaker 1: It's like, really? You're not deficient in those by any means, no. Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Look, firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. And that must
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Speaker 2: have been a horrible thing watching somebody degenerate so quickly
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Speaker 2: in front of your eyes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the one.
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Speaker 2: Thing that scares the bejesus out of me is something
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Speaker 2: happening to my brain.
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Speaker 1: I'd rather take any organ other than my brain, right? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think you've obviously witnessed it up close and personal.
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Speaker 2: I read a really interesting book, which I'm sure you
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Speaker 2: will have read, called Brain Energy by Dr. Chris Palmer,
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Speaker 2: who's a Harvard-trained doctor. I think he might be a psychiatrist.
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Speaker 2: But for him, a lot of the stuff that goes
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Speaker 2: wrong in our brain is around energy issues and particularly
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Speaker 2: the mitochondria. And I've kind of had a bit of
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Speaker 2: a dive into the mitochondria over here in Australia at
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Speaker 2: conferences and things.
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Speaker 1: It's really interesting.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you are of the same thinking that our
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Speaker 2: brain doesn't just degenerate, it loses energy.
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Speaker 1: So give us your take on that. Is it the
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Speaker 1: same as Chris's? Is it different? It's different. So there
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Speaker 1: is a lot of work around the mitochondria. And I
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Speaker 1: love the energy factories of all of our cells. So
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Speaker 1: I like to speak into frequency medicine, sound and light.
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Speaker 1: So the mitochondria, as we know, are light receptors, but
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Speaker 1: they are also sound receptors. And so they are sound
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Speaker 1: receptors as well. And when you look at frequency medicine, light,
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Speaker 1: photobiomodulation and sound, that could be chanting, it could be bowls,
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Speaker 1: it could be songs, you know, how music makes you
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Speaker 1: feel elated or sad. It can have that effect on
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Speaker 1: us or it brings up memories of times past, whether
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Speaker 1: they be good memories or bad memories. But there is
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Speaker 1: this affiliation with frequency. Take a step back, Greg.
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Speaker 2: So I'm very aware of the impact of light on
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Speaker 2: our mitochondria and particularly photobiomodulation and how it can stimulate
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Speaker 2: certain complexes in the mitochondria.
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Speaker 1: I'd never heard of the sound thing before. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So actually, sorry to take a step back for.
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure we will get into the light thing,
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Speaker 2: but it's just mental, the shit that we're now discovering
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Speaker 2: how light has quantum effects on ourselves.
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Speaker 1: And some people might listen to this and go, what
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Speaker 1: are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: But it is genuine hardcore science, right?
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yep.
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Speaker 3: Before we get into that, talk about the sound element
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Speaker 3: and then we'll go back to the light.
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Speaker 1: So 2024, an awesome paper on mitochondria is what do
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Speaker 1: they do for us? And I do have that in
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Speaker 1: the bibliography of my second book on Parkinson's. It's called
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Speaker 1: Defying Parkinson's, Better Clinical Outcomes Than Your Neurologist Can Claim.
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Speaker 1: I know, a very bold title. However, because we're comprehensive
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Speaker 1: in treating people, not conditions or diagnoses, I truly believe
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Speaker 1: we are getting a better outcome than other patients with
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Speaker 1: this diagnosis of Parkinson's. So in there, I have all
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Speaker 1: of the research. It's a great start for a bibliography. 2024,
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Speaker 1: sound receptor of the mitochondria. So, and when you think
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Speaker 1: about it, ultrasound works this way. So there's published research
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Speaker 1: on ultrasound directed exosomes for the treatment of people with Parkinson's.
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Speaker 1: Recent paper this last year, 40 Hertz sound and light
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Speaker 1: for reversing Alzheimer's. So we are seeing more and more
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Speaker 1: hardcore science coming out with a quantum understanding of reality.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at quantum physics versus Newtonian physics...
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Speaker 1: Newtonian is point A to point B with time. Well,
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Speaker 1: quantum actually takes point A and B and takes time
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Speaker 1: out of the equation. There is more evidence that the
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Speaker 1: quantum understanding of reality is a higher probable truth. There's
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Speaker 1: more science behind that reality than what we all learned
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Speaker 1: in Newtonian physics. So that time equation. And so when...
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Speaker 1: And that might be a little bit hard. And again,
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Speaker 1: it gets very woo-woo when people start throwing quantum physics around.
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Speaker 1: But there is.
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Speaker 2: But sorry, because some people go, oh, isn't that just
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Speaker 2: those mad people talking and stuff that we... But quantum
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Speaker 2: computing is real, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's coming. I mean, this... And if you can understand, right,
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Speaker 1: these little phones in our pockets that there's waveforms carrying
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Speaker 1: information in here, guess what the best receptor is right here?
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Speaker 1: It's universal intelligence, right? So technology is not going to
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Speaker 1: save us. It's people using technology is going to save us.
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Speaker 1: And universal intelligence is the largest, largest information source. And
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Speaker 1: so like the tech bros saying AI is going to
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Speaker 1: rescue us, that is a falsity and it's a really
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Speaker 1: interesting story, but it's not true. And this component, we
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Speaker 1: can see it here. We can explain a lot about
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Speaker 1: our anatomy, our physiology, our neuroendocrinology, but there are so
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Speaker 1: many facets here, Paul, that entanglement of you influence this
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Speaker 1: molecule and around the globe, it makes a change. Like
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Speaker 1: how non-local healing, there is actually really good science behind this.
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Speaker 1: And as we get more sophisticated with our science, we'll
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Speaker 1: be able to actually have a lens to comprehend it.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's where maybe AI compute comes in
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Speaker 1: because we are looking at patterns that we weren't able
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Speaker 1: to see with our eyes with blood work and microbiome
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Speaker 1: and urine analysis, EEGs, like we're layering a lot of
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Speaker 1: different data points together to look at what kind of
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Speaker 1: pattern can we see to affect greater change for people.
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Speaker 1: So I got there by talking about the mitochondria and
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Speaker 1: sound and light. Now, everybody gets light. Now, a word
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Speaker 1: on light or photobiomodulation, Great conference, by the way, is
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Speaker 1: called ISLA, International Society for Laser Applications, put on by
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Speaker 1: the Webbers out of Germany. They've got a conference coming
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Speaker 1: up in the spring. I've been asked to talk at
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Speaker 1: in April in Orlando, Florida. They also do a conference
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Speaker 1: in Germany every year. And it's like the, you know,
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Speaker 1: clinicians using photobiomodulation and sensitization substances like green tea extract, curcumin, B6, Boswellia.
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Speaker 1: You can photosensitize the cells. So you give a nutrient
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Speaker 1: and then the light gets absorbed into a cell. Where
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Speaker 1: I was going with that is that the light frequencies,
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Speaker 1: you can transmit information on the light into the cells
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Speaker 1: to upregulate mitochondria. And we see this at UCSD, University
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Speaker 1: of California, San Diego, where we have embedded information in
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Speaker 1: a light frequency and we have upregulated mitochondria function by 50%
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Speaker 1: in a Petri dish. we've halved viral replication in half
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Speaker 1: in 24 hour period in a Petri dish. And so
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Speaker 1: we're looking to bring that information more into a functional
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Speaker 1: platform where we can show this transparent outcomes in the
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Speaker 1: real world with real people, with real diagnoses. So we're
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Speaker 1: bringing this frequency. So it's beyond just energy. A lot
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Speaker 1: of these things can be called chronic mitochondrial dysfunctions. But
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Speaker 1: that's a symptom. It's not a cause.
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Speaker 2: I think to take a step back, because a lot
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Speaker 2: of this will be new to a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: But I think to understand light, for example, if.
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Speaker 2: You get burns, horrible burns on your body and you
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Speaker 2: go to hospital, the best protocol now is that you're
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Speaker 2: exposed to red light.
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Speaker 1: That's part of the treatment.
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Speaker 2: And the reason is that the red light will stimulate
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Speaker 2: the mitochondria in the skin. and help with healing. And
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Speaker 2: we know that different frequencies, right? The near infrared light
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Speaker 2: actually penetrates through the body. We are now starting to
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Speaker 2: see near infrared light improving symptoms in Alzheimer's, other forms
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Speaker 2: of dementia, and also Parkinson's because it actually penetrates the
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Speaker 2: body and stimulates the mitochondria to wake the cells up, right?
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Speaker 1: So that's at a high level for people.
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Speaker 2: I actually saw a talk by an Australian physiotherapist who
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Speaker 2: uses photobiomodulation in Parkinson's disease. And they were using light
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Speaker 2: photobiomodulation in a couple of hours. They were using it
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Speaker 2: in the brain. I'm sure you'll have seen some of
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Speaker 2: the helmets, obviously, but also on the vagus nerve in
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Speaker 2: the neck. and also directly treating the guts, the microbiome, right?
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Speaker 2: And that having significant impacts on Parkinson's symptoms. Now, we
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Speaker 2: know there's a very strong link between the gut and
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Speaker 2: the brain in Parkinson's. So can you just go into
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Speaker 2: that a little bit more detail for people and what
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Speaker 2: the hell is going on?
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Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, we've heard the gut is the second brain.
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Speaker 1: And in Parkinson's specifically, there are a couple of hypotheses
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Speaker 1: of 70% comes from the gut and 30% comes through
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Speaker 1: the olfactory chain. I don't agree with those stats, but
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Speaker 1: I want people to know there are some hypotheses out there.
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Speaker 1: But when you look at the gut, and this is
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Speaker 1: what we are seeing, You have the vagus nerve. It's
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Speaker 1: cranial nerve 10. And a lot of talk about the
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Speaker 1: vagus nerve. It's your rest and regeneration. It's your parasympathetic activity.
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Speaker 1: So it's how your body regenerates. This is why sleep
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Speaker 1: is so important for healing and good sleep and enough sleep.
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Speaker 1: But the gut and why red light or photobiomodulation on
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Speaker 1: the bowel. So it's gut. changing the microbiome, but that
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Speaker 1: is changing the signal because about 90% of the vagus
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Speaker 1: nerve is afferent means it goes from the periphery to
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Speaker 1: the brain. So it's carrying information to the brain. So
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Speaker 1: the brain can then regulate a homeodynamic state in the human.
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Speaker 1: So that information going that way, there's a compelling hypothesis
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Speaker 1: called the Brock hypothesis where He's a German neurophysiologist, I believe, neurologist.
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Speaker 1: And he took two sets of mice. One set severed
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Speaker 1: the vagus nerve. The other set kept the vagus nerve
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Speaker 1: and injected alpha-synuclein, which is the prion, the misfolded protein,
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Speaker 1: into the gut of these mice. The mice that had
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Speaker 1: the severed vagus nerve did not develop Parkinson's. And the
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Speaker 1: mice that had an intact vagus nerve Developed Parkinson's. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't recommend you as a preventative measure sever your
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Speaker 1: vagus nerve because it controls a lot of functions in
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Speaker 1: your body. But you can see there is that mechanism.
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Speaker 1: There's the mechanism, right? The gut-brain connection. A lot of
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Speaker 1: your neuroendocrine, your neuropeptides are manufactured in the gut. We
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Speaker 1: dig our graves with our fork of what is the
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Speaker 1: information we're putting into the gut. So we measure the microbiome.
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Speaker 1: We measure zonulin, looking at the tight junctures. Do you
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Speaker 1: have inflammation in your bowel? That then leads to inflammation
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Speaker 1: in your blood-brain barrier and can accelerate neuroinflammation. So there's
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Speaker 1: a couple different ways. Yeah. Sorry, Greg, did you say
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Speaker 1: that you can measure that?
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Speaker 2: Just for people, so as they get an understanding, if
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Speaker 2: they're not familiar with it, the gut is basically, and
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Speaker 2: particularly down in the colon, is the barrier between the
22:19
Speaker 2: outside world and the inside world, our whole gastrointestinal system, right?
22:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:23
Speaker 2: A lot of how pathogens get in. That's why we've
22:26
Speaker 2: got such acid in our stomach to kill shit, right? Because,
22:30
Speaker 2: and then we have this mucus membrane in our gut.
22:34
Speaker 2: And we know that when people either have a shitty
22:36
Speaker 2: diet or there's a lot of stress, they can get
22:39
Speaker 2: permeability with that membrane. And then the certain things that
22:44
Speaker 2: are in the gut can then get into the circulation.
22:48
Speaker 2: And about 80% of our immune system resides in the gut, right?
22:51
Speaker 1: So- a lot of autoimmune conditions.
22:53
Speaker 2: But are you saying now that you can, there is
22:55
Speaker 2: an actual measure of the permeability?
22:59
Speaker 1: Yes. So you can, it's called zonulin and it comes
23:03
Speaker 1: on a microbiome. So you test your stool, you know,
23:06
Speaker 1: kind of like ninth grade science class. A lot of
23:08
Speaker 1: people don't like it, but you get a great amount
23:10
Speaker 1: of information. Like if we removed all the aerobic, anaerobic
23:15
Speaker 1: bacteria of your gut, we'd have about four to seven
23:18
Speaker 1: pounds of material, which is a little bit gross when
23:21
Speaker 1: you think about it, but also very important for your health.
23:26
Speaker 1: And so zonulin, when it's high, it's measuring the tight
23:30
Speaker 1: junctures of the bowel. And when it's high or elevated,
23:32
Speaker 1: that means you have gapping of the tight junctures of
23:35
Speaker 1: your gut. So larger food particles, bigger bacterium, Bugs that
23:40
Speaker 1: aren't supposed to get into your blood get into your blood.
23:43
Speaker 1: So now it's actually in your body. Like you could
23:46
Speaker 1: eat something and have it pass out the other end
23:48
Speaker 1: and it's never really officially in your body.
23:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's really interesting that that can now be measured. Right.
23:56
Speaker 2: So talk to us then about the, from the brain.
24:02
Speaker 2: So we talked about degeneration.
24:04
Speaker 1: Of the brain, right?
24:05
Speaker 2: And the different ways that misfolded proteins, energy, mitochondria.
24:09
Speaker 1: All of this.
24:10
Speaker 2: What about regeneration of the brain?
24:13
Speaker 1: Talk us through that and your view on regenerate. Before
24:17
Speaker 1: we get there, because everybody wants to go to that,
24:20
Speaker 1: and we're going to get there, but you've got this
24:23
Speaker 1: detect phase. So there are three big buckets, and I
24:27
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we share this because... there
24:30
Speaker 1: is this silver tsunami coming. As we're aging across the
24:34
Speaker 1: board around the globe, there are higher rates of neuroinflammation
24:40
Speaker 1: and neurodegeneration. Mild cognitive impairment, dementia, Alzheimer's. Like you mentioned,
24:46
Speaker 1: like that one scares the bejesus out of me, right?
24:49
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to lose my brain. Maybe you
24:50
Speaker 1: had a parent or a grandparent that you watched or
24:53
Speaker 1: a neighbor. Like we all are seeing people in some
24:57
Speaker 1: state of cognitive decline. Parkinson's rates are on the rise globally.
25:01
Speaker 2: So all of these- And Greg, by the way, dementia
25:04
Speaker 2: has now just become the biggest killer of females in Australia.
25:08
Speaker 2: It's not heart, it's dementia now.
25:10
Speaker 3: Okay.
25:11
Speaker 1: It really passed heart disease.
25:13
Speaker 3: Yep.
25:13
Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
25:15
Speaker 2: So if you look at Australia overall, biggest killer of
25:18
Speaker 2: everybody is heart disease. But when you split it between
25:21
Speaker 2: males and females, dementia is now the biggest killer of
25:26
Speaker 2: females in Australia. So to your point, and it is,
25:31
Speaker 2: I think as we age, and I love your silver tsunami,
25:34
Speaker 2: I think that the two things that are going to
25:36
Speaker 2: go up are neurodegenerative diseases and cancers, because.
25:40
Speaker 1: They are diseases of old age, right?
25:42
Speaker 2: Of aging, essentially. And we're starting to see that now, right?
25:45
Speaker 2: Dementia is going.
25:46
Speaker 1: It can be. And so the point of that is
25:48
Speaker 1: just because you're getting old doesn't mean you have to age.
25:51
Speaker 1: So we're actually having that conversation today. of aging as
25:56
Speaker 1: a disease process. So, you know, I just lectured in
25:59
Speaker 1: Boston at Harvard at translating longevity and it was, it was,
26:03
Speaker 1: how do you, like, if we treat aging as a
26:06
Speaker 1: disease process, it can really accelerate the change of what
26:10
Speaker 1: we're looking for. And so to your point of, well,
26:13
Speaker 1: how do you regenerate? Well, there are different causative agents.
26:18
Speaker 1: So there's environmental toxicity and There's trauma, physical, mental, emotional,
26:23
Speaker 1: and ancestral, and then infections. And I would put bacteria, viral.
26:28
Speaker 1: I would throw mold over in that one. Lime gets
26:31
Speaker 1: put into that category. And it's one, two, or three,
26:35
Speaker 1: all three of the buckets. But it's a different approach
26:39
Speaker 1: depending on what the causative or what the driver is.
26:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
26:44
Speaker 1: And the mix, I guess. Yes.
26:46
Speaker 2: Because they're not just in isolation, these things.
26:50
Speaker 1: Right. Because one begets the other. And how we arose
26:54
Speaker 1: to that was asking the question– why do proteins misfold?
26:58
Speaker 1: And they misfold because they feel like they're under attack.
27:01
Speaker 1: And it's usually coming from one or all three of
27:04
Speaker 1: those buckets. And so that then determines what is your
27:09
Speaker 1: best therapy versus someone else listening. What is their best therapy?
27:13
Speaker 1: Maybe there is a genetic aspect, but very few, very
27:17
Speaker 1: few people have a genetic, you might have a genetic
27:20
Speaker 1: predisposition towards neurodegeneration, but it doesn't mean it's your destiny. No, 100%.
27:28
Speaker 1: And so what we do, we clean up the terrain.
27:31
Speaker 1: It's very naturopathic Chinese medicine approach, which is, I think,
27:35
Speaker 1: a superior approach because right now there are no drug
27:38
Speaker 1: solutions and there really isn't a lot of hope there.
27:41
Speaker 2: And there's been billions and billions and.
27:45
Speaker 1: Billions of dollars spent on drugs.
27:48
Speaker 2: And I think A lot of the reason is that
27:50
Speaker 2: they're chasing the wrong thing, right?
27:55
Speaker 1: It's an end product symptom, not a cause. And I
28:00
Speaker 1: think if we move up into the body with the
28:02
Speaker 1: understanding and this functional approach versus not waiting until the
28:07
Speaker 1: damage is there and you have the outward telltale signs,
28:10
Speaker 1: because we see the numbers going up as you age.
28:12
Speaker 1: So like, I don't want people to be afraid of aging.
28:15
Speaker 1: Like as my dad used to say, another birthday beats
28:17
Speaker 1: the alternative. But the component of it is there's a
28:22
Speaker 1: lot like the best day to plant a tree was
28:25
Speaker 1: 250 years ago. And the next best is today. So,
28:28
Speaker 1: you know, listeners in their 20s, 30s, 40s, really, if
28:32
Speaker 1: you start acting, then you're way ahead of the game. Now,
28:36
Speaker 1: if you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, I
28:39
Speaker 1: have 91-year-olds that are outperforming their earlier selves at 81. So,
28:45
Speaker 1: you know, you think, oh, you're not, am I too
28:47
Speaker 1: old for this? No, you're not too old for this.
28:49
Speaker 1: Like the body and the brain is so resilient given
28:53
Speaker 1: the right information when you remove the obstacles. So you've
28:57
Speaker 1: got to start with the detect phase. Then you get
29:00
Speaker 1: into correct. And that's where the ECHO protocol comes in.
29:03
Speaker 1: It's multifactorial because of those three drivers. We're using hyperbarics.
29:08
Speaker 1: We're using light beds. We're using IV therapy. We use
29:12
Speaker 1: sound baths to put people into a theta state, which
29:16
Speaker 1: is a very parasympathetic state. And then we use creative
29:21
Speaker 1: visualization on you're totally healed, totally whole in the near future.
29:27
Speaker 1: act as if it has occurred because the neuroplasticity, the
29:30
Speaker 1: brain so wants to please you. And why aren't we
29:33
Speaker 1: engaging the frontal lobe, the majesty of these vessels? Like
29:38
Speaker 1: we're saying, oh, you can't. use placebo. Well, placebo beats
29:42
Speaker 1: all modern medicine, just for the record. So why aren't
29:45
Speaker 1: we using it? Why are we not using our mind
29:47
Speaker 1: and mind-body approach in addition to the biochemical and the physiologic?
29:53
Speaker 1: and the energetic with frequency. So we layer all of
29:56
Speaker 1: these things in the right order to get the better
30:01
Speaker 1: results where you actually get traction and you can actually
30:04
Speaker 1: feel different.
30:05
Speaker 2: Like, you know, How do you work out the order, right?
30:11
Speaker 2: Because when you have multiple, you know, because I went
30:14
Speaker 2: through this as part of my PhD, right, was using
30:17
Speaker 2: a multi-moral intervention. And this was for cognitive fitness, right?
30:22
Speaker 2: But we were looking at exercise, we were looking at thinking,
30:26
Speaker 2: cognitive skills, and we were looking at stress management techniques, right?
30:32
Speaker 2: We were also looking at nutrition, cold exposure. And my
30:35
Speaker 2: supervisors were pushing me on, well, we need to then
30:39
Speaker 2: break it down and see which elements are there. And
30:41
Speaker 2: then it was just going to turn into a ridiculously
30:45
Speaker 2: large project, right? And my pushback on that has always been,
30:50
Speaker 2: and I get the way that Western science works, it's
30:53
Speaker 2: the Newtonian-Cortesian, break it down to its smallest component parts,
30:57
Speaker 2: but it misses the fact that we are an ecosystem, right?
31:01
Speaker 1: That's right.
31:02
Speaker 2: But then how do you sequence those things when there
31:06
Speaker 2: is a number of things? How do you work out...
31:09
Speaker 2: what that right sequencing is. Is this a bit of
31:13
Speaker 2: trial and error or?
31:15
Speaker 1: It is. So I see a lot of folks that
31:18
Speaker 1: they're like, I did 40 deep dives in hyperbarics and
31:22
Speaker 1: nothing's happened, doc. I see folks like I have a
31:25
Speaker 1: red light panel at home. I use it twice daily
31:28
Speaker 1: and nothing's happening, doc. I'm doing supplementation. I went to
31:32
Speaker 1: Panama for stem cell. Like all of this specific or
31:36
Speaker 1: individual pieces are not greater. The whole is greater than
31:40
Speaker 1: the parts. And so it is looking at it in
31:45
Speaker 1: a systematic approach. The drivers determine the path forward. So
31:50
Speaker 1: it is a little bit unique. So for instance, we'll
31:54
Speaker 1: just speak to Parkinson's. I have found five subtypes. So
31:59
Speaker 1: Parkinson's diagnosis is not Parkinson's. Like you can have Parkinsonism,
32:05
Speaker 1: which are the symptoms of Parkinson's, but you don't have
32:08
Speaker 1: any destruction of your substantia nigra or dopamine, dopaminergic receptors.
32:14
Speaker 1: But the symptom picture looks exactly the same. We have
32:19
Speaker 1: more tremor dominant. We have more freezing gait imbalances. We
32:25
Speaker 1: have more dementia aspects. And so these five subtypes then
32:31
Speaker 1: will individualize the program. But the only way you get
32:34
Speaker 1: there is a trial and error. And kind of the
32:37
Speaker 1: mantra right now is more, better, faster, more people, better results,
32:40
Speaker 1: faster results. Well, we want to feed back the feedback
32:45
Speaker 1: loop of using big data to inform the clinicians on
32:50
Speaker 1: in this scenario with these parameters, this is the quickest road.
32:55
Speaker 1: And we're measuring on quality of life. We're measuring, it's
32:59
Speaker 1: called PDQ 39, which is the most validated Parkinson's questionnaire.
33:04
Speaker 1: So it is multifactorial of the feedback loop. Right. Okay.
33:08
Speaker 1: That kind of makes sense.
33:09
Speaker 2: And I think, as you say, the more people that
33:11
Speaker 2: are in there and the more data you get, then
33:14
Speaker 2: using big data machine learning AI to refine is.
33:18
Speaker 1: Probably the way. And define the patterns that we're not
33:21
Speaker 1: actually able to grok or think through or see with
33:25
Speaker 1: our own mind, because it's a broader lens. And I
33:29
Speaker 1: think as we get that lens larger and larger to include... environment, exposures.
33:36
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that these, like how much paraquat
33:40
Speaker 1: or glyphosate is in your system or exposure through time.
33:43
Speaker 1: And so it's, you know, kind of waiting for the
33:46
Speaker 1: data set to catch up, but we can see a
33:48
Speaker 1: lot of those patterns right now.
33:50
Speaker 2: So let's jump a little bit sideways and talk about
33:55
Speaker 2: not just treating conditions such as Parkinson's, but about preserving
34:00
Speaker 2: or enhancing brain health, right?
34:04
Speaker 1: Everybody's heard about neuroplasticity.
34:06
Speaker 2: So talk about the difference between neuroplasticity and neurogeneration.
34:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you need them both, right? So the neuro
34:17
Speaker 1: regeneration is the actual neurogenesis, which is the creation of
34:21
Speaker 1: new nerve neurons, nerve cells. It's your body regenerating, which is,
34:29
Speaker 1: we are living at an amazing time. It is possible.
34:32
Speaker 1: And we have actually Christopher Reeve, Superman to thank for that.
34:35
Speaker 1: He had a, uh, injury that paralyzed him and he
34:39
Speaker 1: refused to accept that answer as I'm paralyzed. And so
34:43
Speaker 1: he did a lot of therapeutics to actually gain back
34:46
Speaker 1: the neuro, he re-grew neurons. He also worked the neuroplasticity,
34:52
Speaker 1: which is new neuronal connections. So there's new connections and
34:57
Speaker 1: there's new growth. And both of those are necessary for
35:02
Speaker 1: neuro regeneration. So In fact, I was just out to
35:06
Speaker 1: lunch with Jamie Mo Crazy. She's a skier here in
35:09
Speaker 1: Park City, Utah, has a foundation on helping people with
35:13
Speaker 1: traumatic brain injuries at 22. She was in a medical
35:16
Speaker 1: coma after a massive ski accident, never expected to live.
35:22
Speaker 1: Miracle cure. But that component, she was speaking into the neuroplasticity.
35:27
Speaker 1: Her mother did not allow her to use her dominant hand.
35:30
Speaker 1: She was holding a glass shaking and she needed to
35:34
Speaker 1: hold that steady and she was not able to use
35:37
Speaker 1: her quote unquote good hand. And so her take on
35:40
Speaker 1: it was, as kids, it's neuroplasticity is number one. You've
35:45
Speaker 1: never done it and now you need to learn. And
35:47
Speaker 1: so it You know, we're clumsily walking. So you don't
35:50
Speaker 1: really expect that as an adult to have to relearn
35:55
Speaker 1: how to walk, how to use your hands. But it
35:58
Speaker 1: is your innate intelligence is full on capable of doing it.
36:03
Speaker 1: So sometimes instead of if you're right hand dominant brushing
36:06
Speaker 1: your teeth, brush your teeth with your left hand. It
36:08
Speaker 1: creates new neuronal connections, right? Yeah, 100%. And then neuro
36:15
Speaker 1: generation neuro. So there are peptides there. We now live
36:20
Speaker 1: in the time of regenerative medicine. There's all kinds of
36:23
Speaker 1: regenerative products from stem cells to secret tomes to exosomes.
36:29
Speaker 1: And all of those have a place in certain regions
36:32
Speaker 1: of the world. They're legal and other regions. They're not
36:37
Speaker 1: certain regions have more research. Others don't. So, you know,
36:41
Speaker 1: we're living, it's an interesting time around that front. Utah
36:46
Speaker 1: is a right to try state. And so if there
36:49
Speaker 1: is no known cure, For your condition, you have every
36:52
Speaker 1: right to try with the proper consent.
36:54
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
36:55
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'd never heard of that. I don't think
36:59
Speaker 1: we have that in Australia. I don't think you do.
37:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which would open the doors to lots
37:04
Speaker 2: of things, right? It kind of makes sense when you
37:07
Speaker 2: said right to try.
37:08
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah. It's like, frick, it's my body.
37:11
Speaker 2: Let me crack off.
37:12
Speaker 1: You're protecting me from making an at all informed decision.
37:16
Speaker 1: It doesn't... It doesn't make a lot of sense. I
37:19
Speaker 1: can see you don't want people preying on desperation, but
37:23
Speaker 1: in a proper setup, you can really help people where
37:29
Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of options at this point. I
37:33
Speaker 1: want to road test this on you.
37:34
Speaker 2: I have a long-term held view that any brain enhancement
37:41
Speaker 2: rehabilitation program has got to be built on a foundation
37:45
Speaker 2: of exercise. And I'll tell you why, because exercise is
37:49
Speaker 2: the best thing that we currently know to produce BDNF,
37:54
Speaker 2: which you will be very familiar with. We can explain
37:57
Speaker 2: it to our listeners, but also fibroblast growth factor, vascular
38:00
Speaker 2: endothelial growth factor, like exercise creates all the conditions necessary
38:06
Speaker 2: for for neuroplasticity and neuroregeneration.
38:11
Speaker 1: And then you add in all the shit. That's just
38:14
Speaker 1: my view. You are spot on. And don't forget your
38:19
Speaker 1: red twitch, your fast twitch muscle fibers, also integral to
38:23
Speaker 1: brain health. So there is a lot of research coming
38:26
Speaker 1: out on that aspect. I didn't know that. That's interesting.
38:29
Speaker 1: Talk to me more about that. So Dr. Shelly Jordan,
38:33
Speaker 1: Sheldon Jordan, out of UCSF, USC, a neurologist, is out
38:38
Speaker 1: lecturing on the fast twitch muscle fibers and their connection on,
38:44
Speaker 1: and this is why you see, I think, why racket
38:48
Speaker 1: sports are so good for brain health. Because you're moving quickly,
38:54
Speaker 1: you're using those fast twitch muscle fibers for the coordination
38:57
Speaker 1: of your hand and the ball. So you've seen that
38:59
Speaker 1: research out there for brain health, racket sports, even ping
39:03
Speaker 1: pong for that matter, work. But you are spot on
39:08
Speaker 1: with the exercise front. So high intensity interval training. or
39:14
Speaker 1: HIIT workouts, even for one minute, can increase BDNF, brain-derived
39:21
Speaker 1: neurotropic factor. This is how neurons regenerate, how you create
39:27
Speaker 1: new neurons in the body, is BDNF.
39:30
Speaker 2: Just to give a little bit of color to that
39:33
Speaker 2: for people, there are two myokines which are these molecules
39:37
Speaker 2: released from contracting muscle that cross the blood brain barrier
39:40
Speaker 2: one is erysin and the other is lactate and both
39:43
Speaker 2: of them stimulate BDNF now lactate our listeners will go
39:49
Speaker 2: oh that's familiar lactic acid you know from that intense
39:53
Speaker 2: exercise where you get that heavy feeling in your arms
39:56
Speaker 2: and legs and your brain says to you, why are
39:57
Speaker 2: we doing this shit?
39:58
Speaker 1: We can stop right here.
39:59
Speaker 2: And actually, I think there's a very good evolutionary reason
40:04
Speaker 2: for this, for why the brain would respond particularly to
40:11
Speaker 2: intense physical activity. Because when would you be doing intense
40:16
Speaker 2: physical activity as a hunter-gatherer?
40:18
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sabertooth cat coming to eat you. Yeah.
40:21
Speaker 2: And your brain goes, remember where this shit is, right?
40:24
Speaker 2: And I think there's evidence for this because you take
40:27
Speaker 2: rats in a water maze.
40:28
Speaker 1: You throw them in a water maze. Rats hate water.
40:31
Speaker 2: And you show them how to get out. And then
40:33
Speaker 2: you throw them back in. The young rats learn quicker
40:36
Speaker 2: than the older rats, obviously. But then they put the
40:39
Speaker 2: older rats on a hamster wheel, which is a rat wheel, actually.
40:44
Speaker 2: And then they throw them in the water. They do
40:46
Speaker 2: as well as the younger rats. And then they take
40:50
Speaker 2: these rat's brains because they've signed a waiver and dedicated
40:52
Speaker 2: them to science. And they find that BDNF has increased, right?
40:57
Speaker 2: Which enhances learning and memory and particularly the spatial memory,
41:01
Speaker 2: which I think is so important for us as a species.
41:05
Speaker 2: So I think it's a very good evolutionary reason why
41:08
Speaker 2: the brain responds so well to intense physical exercise.
41:12
Speaker 1: And sorry, the last thing I'd jump on, Greg.
41:14
Speaker 2: Because before I forget it, is that you were talking
41:16
Speaker 2: about the fast twitch fibers. We're now seeing from a
41:20
Speaker 2: longevity perspective that muscular power is more important than muscular strength.
41:27
Speaker 1: And that's fast twitch fibers, right?
41:29
Speaker 2: And that may be their connection there.
41:33
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I must dig into that. And whether a
41:36
Speaker 1: different angle is in the Chinese medicine fashion, because I'm
41:40
Speaker 1: also a Chinese medicine practitioner, you look at in the
41:44
Speaker 1: longevity component, they were the original longevity pioneers, but the
41:49
Speaker 1: blood flow carries waste products, carbon dioxide out and nutrients
41:56
Speaker 1: and oxygen in. So blood flow to the brain is
42:00
Speaker 1: also very important. not even in a BDNF front, but
42:04
Speaker 1: just in a circulatory front. So by oxygenating the brain,
42:08
Speaker 1: this is where I think hyperbarics also come into getting
42:12
Speaker 1: that oxygen and then your circulation increase to feed the
42:17
Speaker 1: brain energy. That's really interesting.
42:20
Speaker 2: And I'll throw one other thing out to you that
42:23
Speaker 2: I recently did a podcast on. So they find that
42:27
Speaker 2: CO2 tolerance breathing, so like Buteyko breathing where you're creating
42:32
Speaker 2: air hunger and you're building up CO2, they just found
42:36
Speaker 2: that that opens the blood vessels in the brain and
42:39
Speaker 2: enhances the activity of the glymphatic system in the brain.
42:43
Speaker 2: So I think it's not just an oxygen, it's a
42:45
Speaker 2: carbon dioxide story as well.
42:48
Speaker 1: It is. It is. You know, we're actually looking at
42:51
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide training for neurogenesis. In particular, it increases erythropoietin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:01
Speaker 1: And red blood cell production and then oxygen carrying capacity.
43:05
Speaker 1: So a lot of athletes, elite athletes are using CO2 training.
43:09
Speaker 1: I actually, I just climbed Mount Kilimanjaro last summer with
43:13
Speaker 1: my wife and we did pulse ox to 80 with
43:16
Speaker 1: a carbon dioxide training. A rebreather is called Hepox. I
43:21
Speaker 1: have no affiliation with them other than I really like
43:23
Speaker 1: the device. We did it twice a day. Erythropoietin. So
43:27
Speaker 1: for training, so you were training in that, in.
43:30
Speaker 2: The reduced oxygen state to pop up your EPO.
43:33
Speaker 1: Interesting. What's that called? What's that device called? Hepox. H-E-P-O-X. Yeah, cool.
43:40
Speaker 1: You're out of Colorado, very mobile, versatile, affordable, really a
43:46
Speaker 1: lot of bike. He was a professional biker and developed
43:49
Speaker 1: it for performance and totally legit all of the certifications
43:56
Speaker 1: for sports. So you're able to do that naturally.
43:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a number of those different masks that will
44:02
Speaker 2: reduce your oxygen. And it's basically CO2 tolerance training, right?
44:06
Speaker 2: But to your point, naturally will upregulate EPO, which is
44:12
Speaker 2: what they used to dope with, right?
44:14
Speaker 1: That's right. To improve their performance, right? That's very interesting.
44:17
Speaker 2: So if we come back to what do you think
44:20
Speaker 2: are some of the most effective ways for people to
44:26
Speaker 2: optimize their brain function?
44:28
Speaker 1: You know, I think if we look at it, uh,
44:31
Speaker 1: as the brain, as a metabolic organ, uh, you know, it's,
44:36
Speaker 1: it's the non-sexy stuff, right? Um, Number one, sugar, like,
44:41
Speaker 1: you know, wearing and I've seen some contrarian components of
44:46
Speaker 1: healthy people wearing continuous glucose monitors. But I think having
44:50
Speaker 1: a basic understanding of what your food choices are every
44:54
Speaker 1: day and what the resultant sugar imbalances seem. Because as
45:00
Speaker 1: you spike sugar, you spike insulin and you spike neuroinflammation.
45:06
Speaker 1: So if you do not have that, if you don't
45:10
Speaker 1: know what your food choices are doing for your sugar balance,
45:15
Speaker 1: you could be accelerating neurodegenerative change.
45:19
Speaker 2: Greg, just on that, I think everybody should trial a
45:24
Speaker 2: continuous glucose monitor.
45:26
Speaker 1: I agree.
45:26
Speaker 2: You get very personalized data because there could be pasta
45:31
Speaker 2: that might have not much impact on you, but a
45:34
Speaker 2: horrendous impact on me, right? And you don't know that
45:38
Speaker 2: these one-size-fits-all approaches to nutrition. I've always said anybody who
45:42
Speaker 2: tells you there's one diet we should all be eating
45:44
Speaker 2: is one of three things. They're either demented, they're trying
45:47
Speaker 2: to sell you something, or they're a member of a cult.
45:50
Speaker 2: Or potentially all three.
45:54
Speaker 1: Right. But that gives you a really good view.
45:57
Speaker 2: Of personalized nutrition because, as we both know, managing your
46:03
Speaker 2: blood sugar and your insulin is so important for every
46:07
Speaker 2: organ and probably mostly the brain.
46:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is one of the largest consumers of energy
46:14
Speaker 1: of the body. And so really having that dialed. And then,
46:18
Speaker 1: of course, adequate rest and sleep. And even again, to
46:22
Speaker 1: your point of personalizing it is tracking it. Now, these
46:26
Speaker 1: are not absolute numbers. So I don't want people to
46:29
Speaker 1: get neurotic of their sleep data. Right. I'm wearing this
46:32
Speaker 1: ultra human ring or aura or whatever. The Fitbit, the Apple,
46:36
Speaker 1: all of these trackers. Like I think one, we do
46:39
Speaker 1: export our agency to devices in a very not in
46:44
Speaker 1: a harmful way, but using it to track maybe for
46:47
Speaker 1: short periods of time to have an understanding of your
46:49
Speaker 1: sleep architecture. But, you know, consistency beats performance. duration. And
46:55
Speaker 1: so having a same similar bedtime bed rise, possibly putting
47:01
Speaker 1: in red lights to help with circadian clock, but you've
47:05
Speaker 1: got to get into deep sleep. That's when the brain detoxifies.
47:09
Speaker 1: So if you're never reaching deep sleep, maybe you have
47:12
Speaker 1: a REM sleep disorder or some other sleep apnea, which
47:15
Speaker 1: can take seven years off of your life by impacting
47:19
Speaker 1: your heart. These are things that we need to know.
47:23
Speaker 1: Being well hydrated, eating well, the exercise. Again, the basics
47:29
Speaker 1: that everybody wants to look beyond. Give me the magic
47:31
Speaker 1: purple pill. Give me the hack. Give me the hack, yeah. Yeah,
47:34
Speaker 1: the longevity elixir. It's like, no, it's actually the stuff
47:37
Speaker 1: that we know. I'll tell you the biggest hack. Get
47:40
Speaker 1: off your arse and stop eating shit food. There's a
47:42
Speaker 1: hack for you. Yeah, you're not going to supplement your
47:45
Speaker 1: way out of a bag of potato chips, right? That's right, exactly.
47:51
Speaker 2: So I think we're both in violent agreement that you've
47:54
Speaker 2: got to get those fundamentals right, and then the other
47:59
Speaker 2: stuff can be icing on the cake, but it's not
48:02
Speaker 2: the foundation, right? So when it does come to the
48:06
Speaker 2: other stuff– So you mentioned light therapy, photobiomodulation.
48:11
Speaker 1: I'm a massive fan. I have a panel. I fight
48:13
Speaker 1: and I sleep better afterwards. Brilliant for wound healing.
48:17
Speaker 2: I think there's, as Einstein called it, spooky action at
48:20
Speaker 2: a distance. Quantum physics. There's all sorts of shit going
48:24
Speaker 2: on inside yourself. And I think also, Greg, getting out
48:27
Speaker 2: into sunlight enough. I'm a naturopathic doctor. So, of course,
48:32
Speaker 2: I love it.
48:33
Speaker 1: A colleague and friend of mine that I went to
48:35
Speaker 1: med school with, he's A researcher and he's, there's this
48:38
Speaker 1: new term of forest bathing, which is, you know, go
48:42
Speaker 1: play in the woods, kids. Like get outside into mother nature,
48:47
Speaker 1: get some dirt on you, enjoy it. I'm up here
48:50
Speaker 1: in skiing, hiking country, and it's a very athletic or
48:54
Speaker 1: outdoors oriented culture. And so the health aspect is built
48:59
Speaker 1: into that platform. And so, yeah, you got to get outside.
49:03
Speaker 1: You got to get outside, get the sun on you. 100%.
49:07
Speaker 2: And then what would be, when we're layering up now,
49:11
Speaker 2: so all the things that are out there, the light therapy,
49:14
Speaker 2: the saunas, the oxygen stuff, is there a general prioritization
49:19
Speaker 2: that you would give to that?
49:20
Speaker 1: People?
49:20
Speaker 2: And then we can have a conversation about particular supplements.
49:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, number one, I think we would be remiss
49:27
Speaker 1: to not address trauma. I can see some people rolling
49:33
Speaker 1: their eyes out there, but capital T, little t, we
49:36
Speaker 1: know the ACE scores, the Adverse Childhood Experiences in North America,
49:40
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing it's very similar in Australia, where you
49:45
Speaker 1: have events in your life that have a cumulative effect.
49:49
Speaker 1: In fact, they show chronic illness. on exponential growth factors
49:57
Speaker 1: on unresolved trauma. Now, there is of a certain, I'm mid-50s,
50:01
Speaker 1: and I think this generation, Generation X and older is like,
50:07
Speaker 1: put on the blinders, buck up, buttercup, and get through it.
50:10
Speaker 1: But that doesn't actually serve us. And I'm seeing at
50:15
Speaker 1: root cause of brain issues, unresolved trauma. And I have 70,
50:21
Speaker 1: 80 year olds telling me stories of abuse that happened
50:25
Speaker 1: in their childhood that they've never told one other living
50:29
Speaker 1: soul until that eight decades. It's like, holy cow, your
50:33
Speaker 1: cells have been bathed in that. And so I think
50:36
Speaker 1: that that aspect needs to be addressed by everyone because
50:41
Speaker 1: no one gets out of here alive. And this curriculum,
50:44
Speaker 1: you know, I shared my learning at the beginning. It's like, Man,
50:47
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of work to rid the cells,
50:51
Speaker 1: the cellular energy or resonance or morphogenic field, whatever you
50:55
Speaker 1: want to call it. You got to get, you have
50:58
Speaker 1: to address that. Turn it from technicolor to black and white.
51:00
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean the memory never goes away, but it
51:02
Speaker 1: means your response to it does. That's pretty cool. I
51:05
Speaker 1: like that. And I would, again, be in violent agreement.
51:08
Speaker 2: I'm very lucky in that my childhood, I didn't have
51:11
Speaker 2: any significant, I think I had enough slightly adverse experiences
51:16
Speaker 2: to build my resilience. I think there is a watershed
51:21
Speaker 2: and there's individuality and all of that. But I mean,
51:24
Speaker 2: the research is so strong now about how adverse childhood
51:29
Speaker 2: experiences can affect long-term health. And even just one part
51:34
Speaker 2: of it, and it's not all of it, is that
51:37
Speaker 2: when they've had that, their brain is in a threat state.
51:39
Speaker 2: And Professor Mark Seary from Buffalo University showed that when
51:42
Speaker 2: your brain is viewing things as threatening. It is releasing
51:46
Speaker 2: cortisol over long periods of the day. And we both
51:49
Speaker 2: know that hypercortisolemia will destroy your physical and mental health.
51:53
Speaker 2: So I completely agree. So that probably goes into a
51:57
Speaker 2: foundational measure, isn't it?
51:59
Speaker 1: That's the detect. So then, you know, as you get
52:02
Speaker 1: into looking at hormonal balance as you age, maybe it's
52:06
Speaker 1: bioidentical hormones. We see for women, right, in Australia, maybe
52:10
Speaker 1: they've got a deficiency of progesterone. because progesterone is protective
52:15
Speaker 1: to the brain. So getting- Which is.
52:18
Speaker 2: Why, Greg, that when women go through menopause, they lose
52:21
Speaker 2: their protection against heart disease that they've had to that point.
52:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
52:25
Speaker 2: Right.
52:25
Speaker 1: You're right. Yeah. Right. So early on, I came out
52:29
Speaker 1: of naturopathic medical school. I was like, hey, menopause and andropause,
52:32
Speaker 1: these are natural happenings in our life. We don't need
52:37
Speaker 1: bioidentical hormones. Well, Jonathan Wright of the Tahoma Clinic, he
52:41
Speaker 1: was the father of bioidentical hormones, Suzanne Summers wrote about
52:45
Speaker 1: him in her recovery from breast cancer of using bioidentical hormones.
52:50
Speaker 1: He said, look, Greg, do you promote death in your clinic?
52:53
Speaker 1: Because that's a natural process. I said, no, Jonathan. And
52:58
Speaker 1: he like literally kicked me in the tuchus and said,
53:00
Speaker 1: you're doing a disservice to your 60, 70 and 80
53:03
Speaker 1: year old patients like they need these. It can really
53:06
Speaker 1: improve their quality of life. So at physiologic doses, not overdosing,
53:10
Speaker 1: not everyone needs them. And I think you definitely need
53:14
Speaker 1: to get that dialed. I also, I like genetic testing,
53:19
Speaker 1: not as a be all end all and with a
53:21
Speaker 1: large asterisk, but it can put you to the front
53:25
Speaker 1: of the line as far as what is the best supplementation?
53:28
Speaker 1: What's the best activities? What potentially would be better diet
53:32
Speaker 1: plays for your platform? Just because you have the gene
53:36
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're expressing it. But knowing the weak links
53:40
Speaker 1: can really guide you with a program, again, personalized medicine
53:45
Speaker 1: for you.
53:46
Speaker 2: I 100% agree and I like your take on it
53:49
Speaker 2: that the genes aren't the destiny just because you got
53:52
Speaker 2: them doesn't mean you're expressing them but wow if you've
53:54
Speaker 2: got the motherfucker gene the MTHFR variant you've got that
53:59
Speaker 2: and you can't process foliate properly if you supplement with
54:04
Speaker 2: with proper activated beaver it could be a freaking game.
54:07
Speaker 1: Changer right game changer and the diet and and all
54:11
Speaker 1: of the yeah the oxidative stress all those pathways i
54:14
Speaker 1: completely agree i 100 agree i think.
54:17
Speaker 2: That he's very useful tool in the toolbox right.
54:21
Speaker 1: Yeah And then layering in certain nutrients, like I have
54:25
Speaker 1: a brain essentials that I think about. So, so many
54:28
Speaker 1: people over 25 years of doing diet diaries deficient in
54:32
Speaker 1: omega-3 fatty acids. Yeah. They're just hard to get in
54:36
Speaker 1: the modern diet. And so, one, measuring it. Two- Addressing it.
54:43
Speaker 1: We do. I think it's hugely important.
54:47
Speaker 2: And I think, Greg, because there's a lot of doctors
54:50
Speaker 2: that will go, well, when you look at the totality
54:53
Speaker 2: of the evidence, like sometimes omega-3 is beneficial, sometimes it's not.
54:57
Speaker 2: In a lot of the studies, when you look into
54:59
Speaker 2: the studies that had no effects, they either used the
55:01
Speaker 2: wrong dosage or they weren't on for long enough. Often
55:06
Speaker 2: people are taking rancid omega-3s. I mean, you've got to
55:09
Speaker 2: get good quality shit, right?
55:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So that magnesium L-threonate, it goes through the
55:18
Speaker 1: blood-brain barrier. It's neuro-anti-inflammatory. Brain food. And then glutathione. Those three,
55:27
Speaker 1: because of oxidative stress, because of the mitochondrial dysfunction, it's
55:32
Speaker 1: the master antioxidant. So those are just kind of essentials
55:37
Speaker 1: across the board in a brain health front. And then
55:40
Speaker 1: you can really dial it on, you know, there are
55:42
Speaker 1: plasmalogens and plasmalogen testing. I didn't even know what that
55:46
Speaker 1: was when I went to medical school. As Dane Goodenow
55:49
Speaker 1: wrote a book, Breaking Alzheimer's, linked all neurodegenerative states to
55:53
Speaker 1: low plasmalogens.
55:56
Speaker 3: Never even heard of plasmalogen. Give us the, what's the
55:59
Speaker 3: two minute? So 25% of the cell wall, every cell
56:03
Speaker 3: of your body. He pulled this in this. It's just
56:07
Speaker 3: brilliant work. It's called Breaking Alzheimer's.
56:09
Speaker 1: And so with low plasmalogens, it's mainly plasmalogens are coming
56:14
Speaker 1: from lipids in animal creatures. And again, we don't get
56:19
Speaker 1: a lot of that quality food in our diets. And
56:23
Speaker 1: so Loeb, he did two studies, World Congress for Alzheimer's
56:26
Speaker 1: and I think it was 21 in Denver, Colorado. I
56:30
Speaker 1: released him on my podcast. I got to break the story.
56:33
Speaker 1: He had two studies. One, can you increase plasmalogens in
56:37
Speaker 1: the blood from low to a high state? The answer
56:40
Speaker 1: was yes. Now, brilliantly, all of the people in that
56:43
Speaker 1: first study were on the continuum of mild cognitive impairment, dementia, Alzheimer's,
56:49
Speaker 1: stage 1, 2, 3. Every 100% of people... went down
56:54
Speaker 1: the ladder as far as cognitive impairments. They all improved
56:58
Speaker 1: by rate plasmalogens in their blood. I was like, hey,
57:01
Speaker 1: that was smart. You didn't treat, you weren't treating those conditions.
57:04
Speaker 1: You were just treating a deficiency in the blood. And
57:09
Speaker 1: there's ample research on it. So really around traumatic brain injury,
57:14
Speaker 1: brain prevention, you can measure this in your blood. So plasmalogens.
57:19
Speaker 1: I would also look at molecular mimicry for some, especially post-COVID.
57:25
Speaker 1: We've known about post-viral syndrome, like Epstein-Barr virus, the kissing
57:31
Speaker 1: disease mono as a teenager. It doesn't really get eliminated
57:35
Speaker 1: from your body. Herpes simplex virus, cytomegalovirus. When you go
57:40
Speaker 1: on to PubMed and you put in molecular mimicry dementia
57:45
Speaker 1: or molecular mimicry, Parkinson's, you'll find post-viral syndromes. Now, COVID
57:53
Speaker 1: has this nasty name because we all got traumatized worldwide
57:57
Speaker 1: because of it. But it also has a post-viral syndrome, right?
58:02
Speaker 1: We've heard long COVID, right? Even worse. But that's not new.
58:06
Speaker 1: It's post-viral syndrome. We've had that through time. This one
58:10
Speaker 1: just has a name now, right? So you have to
58:13
Speaker 1: look at chronic viral panels.
58:17
Speaker 2: And they're actually saying that the shingles vaccine is actually
58:21
Speaker 2: protective against Alzheimer's disease, right?
58:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's an interesting marketing angle. I think it
58:29
Speaker 1: might be too soon to tell. I mean, the early
58:31
Speaker 1: data suggests that, and I don't think it's been around
58:35
Speaker 1: long enough to see the... You know, this concept of
58:39
Speaker 1: better living through chemistry, I think we have proven it
58:43
Speaker 1: is not a true statement. And yet the marketing machine
58:47
Speaker 1: marches on and they're really going for it. So I
58:51
Speaker 1: guess I just don't think we're smart enough to figure
58:54
Speaker 1: out like we're going to do this little lever and
58:57
Speaker 1: it's going to prevent that long term. I just I'm
58:59
Speaker 1: not seeing it.
59:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
59:00
Speaker 3: Right.
59:01
Speaker 1: So you're skeptical on that one.
59:02
Speaker 2: I think their theory is that viruses in the brain
59:08
Speaker 2: can cause all sorts of neuro inflammation. right? They're not
59:11
Speaker 2: saying this is a vaccine for Alzheimer's disease. They're saying
59:17
Speaker 2: if you can suppress shingles and not get it in
59:21
Speaker 2: later life, you're actually going to minimize some of the damage.
59:26
Speaker 2: I don't think they're saying it's going to cure Alzheimer's disease,
59:29
Speaker 2: but I'm saying that the more viral load you have,
59:32
Speaker 2: the more neuroinflammation you have, right?
59:35
Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, I always flip it around
59:37
Speaker 1: of like, we're not deficient in the vaccine and our bodies,
59:40
Speaker 1: our innate intelligence should be able to suppress shingles from
59:44
Speaker 1: chickenpox as a child, right? So there's less and less
59:48
Speaker 1: people now because of vaccination got chickenpox. So they're not
59:52
Speaker 1: at risk for shingles later in life either. Yeah, interesting.
59:55
Speaker 2: So one comment, you mentioned glutathione earlier on. I've actually
59:58
Speaker 2: become quite a fan of Glynac. So that combination of
1:00:02
Speaker 2: glycine and N-acetylcysteine, which has been shown to significantly raise
1:00:07
Speaker 2: glutathione and combat oxidative stress and that sort of stuff.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: What's your take on that? I like it. I actually
1:00:14
Speaker 1: am looking at doing a study with that with the
1:00:17
Speaker 1: Weber laser helmet as a photosensitizer. Interesting.
1:00:23
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:24
Speaker 1: There have been, I have a word out of Iran.
1:00:28
Speaker 1: There's an Iranian physician using that with a laser helmet
1:00:33
Speaker 1: and getting some good success with people with Parkinson's symptoms.
1:00:37
Speaker 2: So on the laser helmets, right? If people have a
1:00:40
Speaker 2: fair bit of coin lying around.
1:00:42
Speaker 1: Because they're not cheap. They're spending. Yeah.
1:00:45
Speaker 2: You said Weber. I know there's the V-Lite one as well.
1:00:48
Speaker 2: What's your preference? They both serve different functions. So the V-Lite,
1:00:54
Speaker 2: you can, it has a nose clip.
1:00:56
Speaker 1: It has an apparatus. It's got an ear one as well, yeah. Ear,
1:00:59
Speaker 1: there are apparatus that go under the tongue. You know,
1:01:02
Speaker 1: the laser, I think the Weber laser helmet, and I've
1:01:05
Speaker 1: got to do some more research to be really transparent,
1:01:10
Speaker 1: but we do have them in the clinic in our
1:01:12
Speaker 1: little biohack stack for people. We use the Weber laser helmet,
1:01:16
Speaker 1: the Nano-V structured water inhalation. And we use frequencies around
1:01:22
Speaker 1: the body. We use an H wave device or a
1:01:24
Speaker 1: rife frequency along those lines. Um, The Weber laser helmet,
1:01:30
Speaker 1: the new one, so it's not LED. It's an actual
1:01:33
Speaker 1: laser apparatus. It's heavy. It's heavy. Some people complain about that,
1:01:37
Speaker 1: but the penetration through the skull is what matters. So
1:01:40
Speaker 1: we want it to be therapeutic. It doesn't necessarily have
1:01:43
Speaker 1: to be comfortable. The V-Lite is more comfortable. It doesn't
1:01:49
Speaker 1: have the power that the helmet has.
1:01:52
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: Again, different price points, different functions. It's harder. I think
1:01:57
Speaker 1: of them, I would rather do the full body panel
1:02:00
Speaker 1: or abdominal panel of photobiomodulation versus a helmet, unless you
1:02:07
Speaker 1: are symptomatic or going towards symptomatic, then you need more
1:02:11
Speaker 1: targeted work. That is my thinking on those. Yeah, cool.
1:02:18
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued about the potential for these things.
1:02:22
Speaker 1: For not just treatment, but for optimization.
1:02:26
Speaker 2: And I think we're quite a way away from that
1:02:29
Speaker 2: research because I think that right now, and rightly so,
1:02:33
Speaker 2: all the research dollars are being spent on can we
1:02:37
Speaker 2: reduce the rate of decline?
1:02:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:02:43
Speaker 2: But then I think the next natural step is, bullshit,
1:02:48
Speaker 2: can this stuff help you to optimize, right?
1:02:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that one piece that I love about Park City, Utah,
1:02:55
Speaker 1: is we have a ton of Olympians that train here.
1:02:59
Speaker 1: And so we are helping on that optimization because they
1:03:05
Speaker 1: are so in tune with their bodies, so in touch,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: and they're measuring seconds, milliseconds. And That is sometimes the
1:03:12
Speaker 1: difference between gold medal and not making the podium. And
1:03:16
Speaker 1: so we're showing benefit at that high level of performance,
1:03:20
Speaker 1: which is so much fun.
1:03:22
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about one more supplement before
1:03:24
Speaker 2: we wrap up that I have just become an increasing
1:03:28
Speaker 2: fan of, and that is creatine. And just now, seeing
1:03:33
Speaker 2: all the research coming out about creatine and brain health,
1:03:37
Speaker 2: there's a brilliant research paper that says creatine is safe, effective,
1:03:43
Speaker 2: and beneficial throughout the lifespan.
1:03:45
Speaker 1: They actually go into all that. And I'm like, yeah,
1:03:48
Speaker 1: this shit's real. This shit's real.
1:03:50
Speaker 5: And a lot of people don't realize, Greg, is that
1:03:52
Speaker 5: one of our three energy systems, you know, we have
1:03:55
Speaker 5: our aerobic, our anaerobic, and then we have ATP, PC,
1:03:58
Speaker 5: and PC stands for phosphocreatine.
1:04:01
Speaker 1: It is direct cellular energy. Is that part of your protocol?
1:04:06
Speaker 1: We don't have it in the brain essentials. I'm taking
1:04:10
Speaker 1: a hard look at it. It's big doses, 10 to
1:04:12
Speaker 1: 20 grams, right? So beyond just muscle use. So a
1:04:17
Speaker 1: lot of the bodybuilders, performance athletes were using five grams
1:04:21
Speaker 1: a day. That goes right to the muscle, which is great.
1:04:24
Speaker 1: But when we're talking about the brain and then there
1:04:27
Speaker 1: are some when you get to those higher levels, sometimes
1:04:29
Speaker 1: there are urination issues. It definitely throws your labs off.
1:04:33
Speaker 1: So if you take that much, tell your physician because
1:04:35
Speaker 1: they'll freak out. They'll help. They are not.
1:04:40
Speaker 2: If you take 20 grams and you've never had it before,
1:04:42
Speaker 2: you better have a toilet pretty close by.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's one for the future.
1:04:48
Speaker 1: Last question.
1:04:49
Speaker 2: What is a widely hailed belief about the brain that
1:04:54
Speaker 2: you would like to.
1:04:55
Speaker 1: Challenge or that you think should be challenged? That it
1:04:59
Speaker 1: cannot regenerate. I published a case series in 2025 to
1:05:05
Speaker 1: Parkinson's patients. We had imaging. It's called a DAT scan.
1:05:10
Speaker 1: It was radioactive dye that uptakes into the substantia nigra
1:05:15
Speaker 1: and can show patterns of Parkinson's or degeneration? Well, we
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Speaker 1: had a pre and a post. The post which I
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Speaker 1: did not do the post imaging. I didn't do the pre-imaging.
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Speaker 1: It was Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic. The editors would
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Speaker 1: not allow me to put the imaging in the journal
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Speaker 1: to show improvement after the ECHL protocol because they said
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Speaker 1: it was impossible. I said, but this isn't my imaging.
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Speaker 1: These are very well-respected institutions. It's their imaging. This happened.
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Speaker 1: Like your brain can heal given the right information at,
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Speaker 1: Any point in your lifespan. And I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of hope and there's not a lot of
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Speaker 1: people talking about that. And that that is my next
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Speaker 1: book is your brain younger. It's coming out next year.
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Speaker 1: And that is what we're it's a message of hope
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Speaker 1: like this. We are living in an amazing time. Your
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Speaker 1: brain can heal. Your life can heal. And I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying it's easy and it's not everybody's path, but we
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Speaker 1: see it happen every day in our center here in
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Speaker 1: Park City, Utah. Very cool.
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Speaker 2: So, Greg, where can people go to find out more
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Speaker 2: about you and your center and your work and books
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Speaker 2: and these sorts of things?
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Speaker 1: BeVital.com, just the letter B, V-I-T-A-L.com. I'm Dr. Grekel on Instagram, D-R-G-R-E-C-K-E-L.
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Speaker 1: And then we also have Brain Regen. So that's our
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Speaker 1: specific neuro regeneration website. Excellent. Great.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for taking the time and thank you for
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Speaker 2: being the founding participant or member of Utah on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm the first. Thank you. Good stuff, man. Thank you.