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- Lucas: When you think about the companies that defined the e-commerce boom of the last two decades, Shopify is right up there alongside Amazon. But while Amazon built a marketplace for everyone else's products, Shopify built the tools for everyone else to build their own store. And it started, improbably, with a snowboard. Luna: A snowboard? I know the founder, Tobias Lütke, was into snowboarding, but I didn't realize that's literally where Shopify came from. Lucas: It is. In 2004, Lütke was a German programmer living in Ottawa, and he wanted to sell snowboard equipment online. He wasn't happy with the existing e-commerce platforms — they were clunky, hard to customize. So he did what any frustrated developer would do: he built his own, using the Ruby on Rails framework he'd just helped create. Luna: So it started as a side project for his own store? That's such a classic startup origin. But when did he realize the software itself could be the business? Lucas: Pretty quickly. Other snowboard shops saw his store and asked if they could use the software. By 2006, Lütke and his co-founders — Scott Lake and Daniel Weinand — had pivoted completely. They shut down the snowboard store and launched Shopify as a platform. They were bootstrapped at first, just a small team in Ottawa. Luna: And then they took venture capital? I recall they raised a Series A in 2010 from Bessemer and FirstMark. But what was the pitch? 'We're going to help anyone sell online'? Lucas: Exactly. The pitch was democratizing commerce. They wanted to make it dead simple for anyone to set up an online store — no coding required. And they had a key insight early on: the platform's value grows when merchants can extend it. So in 2009, they launched the Shopify App Store, which allowed third-party developers to build features like shipping labels, email marketing, inventory management. Lucas: That was a brilliant move. It turned Shopify from a standalone software into an ecosystem. By the time they went public in 2015, they had over 160,000 merchants and more than a thousand apps available. The IPO raised over $130 million, and the stock popped more than 50 percent on the first day. Luna: Hey, before we go deeper, I just want to mention — if this conversation is moving your own thinking forward in some small way, you can support the show at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's a simple way to keep these episodes ad-free and focused on the stories that matter. Lucas: Yeah, even a small contribution helps us keep digging into these founding stories. So back to Lütke's vision — he wasn't just building a website builder. He was building the entire operating system for a business. Luna: That's a big claim. What do you mean by 'operating system'? Lucas: Think about it: Shopify started handling payments — Shopify Payments. They launched Shopify Shipping to negotiate better carrier rates. They builtShopify Capital to lend money to merchants. They even bought a fulfillment network, though they later sold it off. The idea was to remove every friction point a small business owner faces, from getting a domain to managing inventory to getting paid. Luna: But that also creates dependency. If a merchant is all-in on Shopify, switching costs become enormous. That's a double-edged sword. Lucas: Absolutely. And it's a tension that's always been there. Shopify's success depends on its merchants succeeding, but if a merchant gets too big, they might outgrow Shopify — or start getting squeezed by platform fees. There have been complaints over the years about transaction fees, especially when merchants use their own payment gateways. Luna: Right, because Shopify charges a fee if you don't use Shopify Payments. That's a classic platform play — you get the ecosystem, but you pay a toll. How did merchants react? Lucas: Some grumbled, but most accepted it because the alternative — building custom software — is far more expensive. And Shopify has tried to keep the fees reasonable. More importantly, they've continually added value. In 2020, when the pandemic hit, they launched a whole suite of tools for local businesses — curbside pickup, local delivery, even a Shopify app for in-person sales. They became the backbone for a lot of small businesses that had to go digital overnight. Luna: That pandemic surge really accelerated their growth. But it also attracted competition — not just from Amazon, but from newer players like BigCommerce and Squarespace. How did Shopify stay ahead? Lucas: They leaned into their developer ecosystem. By 2021, the Shopify App Store had over 7,000 apps. They also made big bets on international expansion, with multi-currency support and localized checkouts. And they acquired companies like Deliverr, a fulfillment startup, to compete with Amazon's logistics. That acquisition didn't stick — they sold it in 2024 — but it showed they were willing to experiment. Lucas: I think the real secret is that Shopify aligned its incentives with its merchants. When merchants grow, Shopify grows. That might sound obvious, but many platforms — like Amazon — compete with their own sellers. Shopify never does that. Luna: That's a huge distinction. Amazon can see what products are selling well and then launch their own private-label versions. Shopify doesn't have that temptation because they don't operate a marketplace. They just provide the tools. Lucas: Exactly. That trust is invaluable. It's why brands like Gymshark, Allbirds, and Kylie Cosmetics chose Shopify to build their DTC businesses. You can have your own brand identity, your own customer data, your own checkout experience. You're not just a listing on a giant search page. Luna: But isn't that also a limitation? If you're Shopify, you're dependent on your merchants' marketing abilities. You can't just drop millions of shoppers on them the way Amazon does. Lucas: Right, and that's why Shopify has made moves into discovery. They launched Shop, a mobile shopping app that aggregates products from Shopify merchants. They also opened up to social commerce — integrating with TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. The idea is to help merchants find customers wherever they are, not just on Shopify's platform. Luna: So it's an ecosystem play — make it easy to sell everywhere, not just on Amazon. That's smart. But how did Lütke's background influence that strategy? He's a developer at heart. Lucas: Massively. Lütke has always emphasized developer experience. Shopify's APIs are considered some of the best in the business. They even allow merchants to customize their store's code fully, which is rare for a hosted platform. That technical credibility attracted a community of developers who built themes and apps, which in turn attracted more merchants. Lucas: And Lütke himself remains CEO. He's known for his long-term thinking. At a 2022 conference, he said the biggest risk isn't that Shopify becomes irrelevant, but that they stop listening to merchants. So they've built feedback loops — like the Shopify Partner program and regular surveys — to stay close. Luna: So what's the next chapter for Shopify? We're in July 2026 now. The e-commerce landscape has matured. Growth rates have normalized. Where does Shopify go from here? Lucas: I think the big push is into enterprise. They've been working on Shopify Plus, their high-end tier, for years. That segment is growing faster than their core SMB business. They're also investing heavily in B2B commerce — because more and more wholesale transactions are moving online. And of course, there's the AI piece: tools like Shopify Magic that help write product descriptions, generate images, and automate customer support. Luna: So they're trying to move upmarket without alienating their small-business roots. That's a delicate balance. But if anyone can do it, a company that started by selling snowboards and ended up powering millions of stores might just have the playbook. Lucas: It's a great example of how staying true to your founding mission — democratizing commerce — can guide product decisions and build trust. And it's a reminder that the best platforms are the ones that make their customers successful first.