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Pig vs Joe · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God.
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Oh, my God.
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Look at how big my beer is.
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Oh, it's so big.
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I mean, compared to your head, which is ginormous,
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that's a big bear.
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At 32 ounces.
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Whoo.
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I just went and had
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happy hour dinner and drinks with my coworker,
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Alyssa, and we went to.
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I mean, you know, since we're going to talk about pig today,
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this is kind of fitting because we went to like
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get fancy oysters and like fancy expensive food on happy hour
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that I generally can't afford.
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You went highfalutin.
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Yeah, they had a really juicy like fucking White Castle Burger,
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the steam burger
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with like gourmet cheese.
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Did it give you gourmet shits like a White Castle Burger?
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We'll see. Only true form.
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Yeah, exactly.
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If we have to stop halfway through the podcast.
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This is this podcast is now an unofficial race your body competition.
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Now, the question is, were the little burgers, were they square?
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Yes. Oh, OK.
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Did they have the holes in them?
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No, but it was steamed.
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It was a cowards.
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I do love a steamed ham.
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I like when I ordered it because it was like the steamed burger
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and I was getting like we were getting oysters and I was like, I'm like,
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is this a Simpsons reference?
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And then when I when they brought it out, I'm like, wait, no, White Castle.
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This makes sense now.
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What's the name of the joint you went to?
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Canard.
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This does sound highfalutin.
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But no, it was it was super fancy.
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They had the cheapest pens, though, like Alyssa and I both got our bills
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and neither of our pens worked.
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I respect the attention to craft.
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And then the second place we went, they had a fondue.
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And I'm like, oh, fun.
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Don't mind if I do.
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Exactly.
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And they did not bring us little plates.
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So I was precariously balancing dripping like hot cheese over my dress.
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I'm like, this is this is less than ideal.
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I'm going to leave an angry review on Yelp that no one will read.
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Oh, that's weak.
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You should have just let it drip and then use the bottom of the dress
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to like wipe your face, showing everybody your Johnson.
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Yeah, that's leveling up.
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I mean, I'm wearing undergarments.
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Coward, coward.
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It's not a kilt.
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It's also as Nick and I had discussed previously to you getting on Peter.
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It's fucking cold down here.
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You mean in your nether region or?
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Yes.
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Cold from inattention.
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If I weren't wearing if I weren't wearing leggings
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and I decided to give everyone a show, they wouldn't.
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It would have been trivial.
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There wouldn't have been much to say.
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Not if that hand the waiter had gotten in there.
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Soft waiter hands.
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Yeah. That tip don't come cheap.
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Monetary tip. My tip comes cheap.
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I'm a cheap.
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Yeah. Thank you for clarifying.
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All right. Pig it is pig wins next episode.
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OK, good. Thanks, guys.
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Glad we postponed until today.
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I have stuff to say.
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I saved something new up in here for when we talk about Joe.
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And we'll see if I remember it.
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I had I had thoughts about
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both of these movies in regards to Nicholas Cage.
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I mean, that is what do we do here, Sean?
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Welcome back to KG.
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Matt Carlin around about Nicholas Cage.
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I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host Nick
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and our producer Peter. Hello.
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And this week might be the best setup to that bit we've ever done.
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Yeah, actually.
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I mean, I mean, it is I guess giving like the thesis,
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which we should do anyway, and don't most of the time.
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I'm hey, last episode, I didn't get into this till like the back 20 minutes.
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Yeah, I liked it. It was good.
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Yeah. Hey, I'm impressed that it only took us almost three years
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to figure out how a podcast works.
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And we're almost done.
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I mean, we have most of it figured out.
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You need microphones, I guess, headphones.
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They're called cans in the business, Peter.
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Love a good can.
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I do, too.
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I've got a folded towel, you know, just sitting here
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at the ready, the waiter comes. Yeah.
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So I can put it over my waist for, you know, discretion.
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Yeah, it's modest. Yeah.
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I'm not fucking Peewee Herman out here.
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It's like that.
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It's like that's something that baby
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that you have to eat like with a sheet over your head to hide your shame.
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Oh, yeah. The or to lawn. Yeah.
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I know fancy food stuff.
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Have you guys ever seen a duck press?
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A duck breast.
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Press P.R.E.S.S.
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I'm like I'm imagining like a wine press, like a great press,
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but for just with a bunch of ducks in it.
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You like cook a duck and then you put it into this like medieval torture device
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that has like a whole bunch of screws and like cranks.
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And then it crushes and pulverizes the duck into a goo.
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And then you I can't I think you cook it somehow more than that,
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but I don't remember what else gets added to it.
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And then you eat that.
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It's like you. You had me at goo.
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So it's like a shittier panini press.
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God,
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the press is already.
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Yeah. But what if you could
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liquefy your panini and eat it that way?
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That be that might be an upgrade, honestly, to a panini.
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That's just like how many of us have owned a panini press?
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I've owned a George Foreman.
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I mean, if you count a George Foreman grill
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and then you just put a book on top of it and that's a panini press.
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Yeah.
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But can Hornback once told me that every like every sandwich should be paninied
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a panini press makes every sandwich better.
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And like the panini is the ultimate sandwich.
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I'm like, do you have a panini press?
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I'm like, and he said yes.
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And I'm like, how many times have you used it?
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He's like once I'm like, that's everyone who's ever owned a panini press.
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Yeah. I mean, I think you could make a case
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that like a toasted sandwich is potentially superior.
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OK, hold on.
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I want to say that Hornback using a kitchen appliance
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even once validates his existence.
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Nothing validates his existence.
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Not his the panini press. Sorry.
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The panini press. Yeah.
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Was it this podcast or just a general
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chicanery when we came up with the panini press?
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That seems like an orc.
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It was not.
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It was not this podcast, but it does seem like an orc.
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It's to get the ridges.
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So on this podcast, we talk about Nicolas Cage movies.
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Obviously, we started with a bracket of 64 films,
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narrowed it down to 32, then the slicks teen.
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Now we're in the master eight.
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But you got to say it faster. The master eight.
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I don't get it.
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The waiter does.
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Ah, there we go.
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This week, we are discussing Pig V.
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Joe, two movies that have three letters in the name.
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And Beards.
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He's got a he's got a sidekick.
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He does have a sidekick in both.
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It is kind of like a buddy movie in both cases.
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And they both start star Nicolas Cage.
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You know, it's kind of sad that I immediately just
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I didn't think of a mirror.
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I thought you were referring to handpan
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as his kid sidekick.
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You know, that kid who was in the movie for one scene.
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I do love handpan.
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What's a persimmon?
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You fucking dumb kid.
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Yeah.
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Parents don't teach you anything anymore.
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I still maintain that kid's going to wind up on a fucking bill card in one day.
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Yeah, I mean, the total lack of stranger danger is pretty troubling.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, if a dude's in your backyard, he must be OK to talk to, though,
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because why else would he be in your backyard?
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I come across my fair share of unhoused people in the city, and
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generally, they've all been quite polite.
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There's only been one guy.
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There's only been one guy.
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He came in hot.
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I got to a bar after a dinner thing, and pretty much as soon as I got in there,
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the bar backslash bouncer just like ran into the bar,
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like a lock in it behind him and like this other guy just like him
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and like just slammed his hand against the glass and was like holding a
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Where's Waldo book up to it?
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Because he was excited about finding Waldo.
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I don't know. We were told the guy has a knife.
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He likes to show it to people and they're like, we're just not dealing with it
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tonight. We're all like, they're not fair at all.
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Yeah, I think that's a reasonable choice.
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I want to see the knife, but I really I want to see if they found Waldo.
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Oh, it's just that dickhead who circles Waldo and Sharpie on every page.
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That shit bugs me.
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Do it at the dentist's office.
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Like, here you go, fuckers.
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Yeah, we all we all know that Nick was more of an odd lot.
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I do love odd law.
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I also love finding the wizard.
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What was the dog's name?
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Wall dog dog.
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Wait, say yours again, Sean.
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Dog down.
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I don't think that's a good word.
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Yeah, obviously, it's a dill dog.
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Now you're thinking of the dog from Dilbert.
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Wolf, his name was Wolf.
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That doesn't follow convention.
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Dill dog. It does not.
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What was Lady Waldo?
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Wenda. Yeah, that's rough.
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I'm pretty sure Waldo and Wenda are the same person.
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Waldo does have kind of an its pat sort of vibe.
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Yeah, I'm looking at I'm looking at a side by side right now.
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I mean, I'm the last person that can, you know,
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fucking throw stones in this in regards to this.
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Yeah, for real.
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I think I found our next Halloween costume group.
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Halloween costume.
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Make it a solo costume and just keep leaving the room and changing.
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It always bugs me when large groups of people all dress up as Waldo
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to go out on Halloween.
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No, you all dress up as almost Waldo.
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You have one person dressed fully as Waldo.
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But everybody wants to be Waldo, then
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only one person gets to be Waldo, then.
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Yeah, that's the bit.
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Well, I don't think I want to do this costume with you.
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All right. Let's just all go as a hornback.
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I do want to do that costume.
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I want to be two hornbacks in a horse costume.
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We have to both show up as horse butts.
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Yes.
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I love this movie.
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I absolutely adore this movie.
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Still, to this day,
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I don't I don't have much else to say about it other than it's great.
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It continues to be great.
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Yeah. One of these days, I want to try.
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I mean, this doesn't have to be anything, but I just want to make the food from pig.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a great idea.
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If it makes it to the the final two,
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we should have that be served at the movie theater. Sure.
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But only one item, Amir's disappointing French toast.
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It's like, sorry, I don't cook much.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Set off the set off the smoke detector.
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I was just going to bring one.
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I'll take a baguette.
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Yeah, actually.
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So the journey of pig, it first went up against left behind.
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Left behind.
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Maybe we got that one wrong.
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No, we did not.
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That movie is so terrible.
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I was thinking about that because I was re listening to the episode.
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And the only thing that was funny about that was that
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Nick got to make a lot of left behind jokes.
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And she was left behind.
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Oh, yeah, that that never gets old.
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I, you know, honestly, I like thinking back on left behind,
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like all the weird piles of clothes and like the way she like
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took her brother's clothes and backpack and was like carrying it around.
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Like it was going to rehydrate into him or some shit.
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Yeah. And like all the clothes, like falling out of the sky
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in the mall or whatever, like as if everybody was like,
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Oh, I'm getting raptured.
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Now is the time for me to jump off this like sky bridge
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and like, Oh, pants.
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Woohoo.
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It's raining pants.
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I just think it's the parents who really didn't like those kids.
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And all of a sudden, these kids are gone and they're celebrating.
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They're just like, yes.
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They chuck the stuff in the.
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Yeah. Fuck your pants, dad.
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I'm just thinking about how
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detrimental actual Christians
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who aren't assholes that would actually get raptured.
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And I don't think it's as many as Thanos's snap would take out.
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I don't think the economy will.
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It's definitely not 50 percent of the world, so.
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Yeah, that's a pretty high.
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Plus, his snap was universal.
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Yeah, but we're America.
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We don't care about that.
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America first.
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We always get raptured.
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What if God had it wrong
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or like had a speech impediment and instead of rapturing everybody,
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he raptured everybody and we all got turned into raptors.
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This is a Chuck Tingle situation.
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I am 100 percent here for that religion.
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We've just you have just invented a new religion.
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Guys, Chuck Tingle is going to be at Emerald City Comic Con this year.
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So if you need to like go meet Chuck Tingle.
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That's the time to do it.
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Love is real.
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That's what he says.
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I think I've only listened to his podcast once or twice.
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It's pretty hilarious.
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So let's see, what is your favorite meal from Pig?
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Maybe the shitty takeout food that he gives to Edgar.
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I don't know that.
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What was that thing he made that in the first one?
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The result of the rustic tart.
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It does look pretty good.
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Yeah, that looks that looks pretty good.
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I want that.
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Yeah, I don't want to have to like live in a dirty cabin to make it.
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Like if I can just make them at home, that'd be great.
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Wouldn't be rustic.
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I mean, you could just start a fire in your courtyard and cook it out there.
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You do have to have hands washed only loosely in a river.
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Soaps overrated.
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That's all the friction.
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I have an immune system.
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Get that waiter over here.
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What's it good for if I'm not putting it to work every once in a while?
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Need me some friction.
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Yeah. You need that.
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That farmer friend.
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Yeah, those callous hands will just blast the dirt right off.
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I need your help starting a fire.
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Yeah, just rub this stick between your palms.
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Oh, yeah, I just.
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One of those until just sparks.
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Let's see.
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So it one of the things left behind the frozen ground and eight millimeters.
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Frozen ground.
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Rest in ground is.
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Yeah, that wasn't too bad for like
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just a Nicolas Cage, quote unquote, thriller or whatever.
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Like in retrospect, it's like maybe a C plus as a film goes.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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But in terms of things that got eliminated, it wasn't that bad.
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No, it was pretty decent overall.
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And I mean, it did have 50 Cent in the wig, which is.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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I forgot about that.
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I mean, eight millimeter really.
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I mean, we talked about this got by as far as it did because of its matchups.
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Not that it doesn't deserve to be remembered fondly, but.
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Yeah, I actually it kind of has grown on me in retrospect to like
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I think you guys liked it more than I did.
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And I've thought about that movie more than I thought that I would.
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Yeah, it's a I, you know, I still enjoy eight millimeter.
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It's one that I would rewatch.
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In the right mood, but
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which I don't know what the mood is for watching.
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You got to be in a Dino Dino velvet.
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Yeah, I got to want to hear like a lot of background,
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a effects twin and whatnot.
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I mean, so what's interesting to me is like Pig, obviously, is a very good movie.
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It's well regarded by everybody.
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It's very well regarded by us.
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It wasn't like a surprise necessarily, even though I think it's a surprise
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that we loved it as much as we did.
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And that sort of grew over time.
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I think that its path to this point has been kind of easy.
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Yeah, but.
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It's also good, so clearly it deserved.
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It was what, like a one seed for us.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So it's the only one seed left in the race.
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Yeah, correct. Yeah.
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It hasn't had any challenges up until theoretically this week.
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Yeah.
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Joe. Yeah, Joe was much more hard fought to get here
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because Joe went up against some like good things.
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Joe's path was tough.
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I mean, I'm biased because I thought Zanderle was.
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I love Zanderle.
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Not saying Zanderle isn't great.
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Didn't deserve to go forward.
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No, it didn't deserve to go forward over.
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Joe. There's no world where Zanderle comes out, came out of this on top.
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Yeah. Just like in that movie.
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I don't think Zanderle was a top at all.
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But remember Steve Buscemi? Yeah.
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And then.
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I forgot. I forgot.
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I was forgetting that movie.
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Kind of like in Conair. Boo.
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I can't make a make an argument for him in Zanderle.
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I think he's just in it for some reason.
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Yeah, he's just like a guy on a work crew.
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Pretty much right.
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No, he's on like work release or something.
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And then he runs away.
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Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
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Steals the TV.
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Yeah.
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Maybe it's Garland Green.
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Maybe it's Garland Green.
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So yeah, Zanderle and then it went up against bringing out the dead.
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And then.
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Great movie. Yeah, totally.
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And then leaving Las Vegas.
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Also great movie.
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Also a movie that you have to be in a really specific mindset to watch.
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Yeah, I mean, I stand by the decision to have Joe go over that one.
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I think it's a great movie in general, but mostly because of the performance.
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You know, like I just don't want to watch that movie ever again.
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Oh, my God. If I never have to hear Sting
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start that damn song and never finish it.
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That is sort of his M.O.
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Oh, man.
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Never stop, never stopping.
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Fucking sting with his non-complete agreements.
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Yeah. How was watching Joe?
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How was watching Joe again this time?
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I really liked it. Like I said, oh, I did notice.
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Did did you guys ever acknowledge how fucking short that other cop is in the background?
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Like when Earl is releasing Joe and Sting,
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and then there was a cop bringing in another guy, he's like five foot flat.
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Like this guy is fucking small.
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Oh, man. Now I want to watch like kind of in the scene.
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And then you see him in the background, like booking somebody
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and he looks like a bald child.
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Holy shit, that guy is really short.
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He's like the guy he's escorting is like three feet taller than him.
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Oh, dip. Yeah.
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Yeah, that guy is tiny.
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I mean, what was the director on Joe again?
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David Gordon Green.
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I mean, he does have that thing for just like extras, just being, you know.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's pretty interesting.
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I really like that about him.
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And I mean, I think things have changed because now he's like directing
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the Halloween series and stuff like that, which is sort of strange.
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But his original like take was basically like
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slices of Americana and real life people and sort of like
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the normal version of David Lynch.
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How big is his head?
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Not that big. Oh.
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I mean, the thing that always stands out
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in this movie to me is just the physicality of Nicholas Cage in this film.
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He is a fucking brick shithouse.
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He looks natural at that size.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I remember the point I was going to make earlier that I completely forgot.
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It's just like.
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There's always that like view of like Nicholas Cage is this crazy guy,
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which, you know, fucking he is.
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But like, I feel like in this is in like the serious category
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that we've set him up in specifically is where I don't know if it's the directors.
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I don't know if it's just the roles he's picked for these.
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But like, there's so much more of a commitment to so many of these characters.
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And like, you really see the character actor work in like these
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and this category of the bracket.
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In a way that I don't feel like you see.
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Outside of like maybe a weatherman.
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Certainly in the movies we've chosen to move forward,
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I would not say he committed much to left behind.
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You could say that his performance was left behind.
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Left behind those reach.
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And I'm sorry.
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It was it's OK.
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Are you me?
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Welcome back to Cage match.
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Colin, round about with.
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This cage.
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You know, I mean, but then, you know, he's also been in like
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Captain Correlli's Mandolin, which he committed to.
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Sure, but that was kind of a goofy or film or a goofier role in that film.
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I don't miss that movie.
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I don't know that it's going to make a natural appearance in my life, but
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it was fine.
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Maybe a C minus.
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I know I feel like for when we do the the double feature finale,
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we need to just go like find a loose bargain bin of DVDs
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and just put one under every seat.
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Just a grab bag of miscellaneous.
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Nick Cage DVDs.
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I said we just lock the doors
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and make everyone watch Captain Correlli's Mandolin so they can suffer like we did.
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OK, that's an interesting question that we're going to sidebar on.
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What movie other than Captain Correlli's?
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What two movies would you force everyone to watch that suck?
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You just say 100 percent you get so.
22:51
It's a doublehead doubleheader of jujitsu twice and then jujitsu twice.
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I don't Captain Correlli's.
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It's got it's got charming moments.
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It's got the beach scene.
23:05
It's got like it's got fun little moments.
23:08
It's got him like not playing the mandolin for an extended period of time
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because he has to wait for the like the horn section.
23:18
Boy, I know I would throw Primal in there.
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Boy, I want to say
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army of one would come back.
23:28
Yeah, I mean, my pick is definitely Prisoners of the Ghosts land.
23:31
Yeah, Gavanna Gavanna.
23:37
I I will always be ready for that.
23:40
I am so ready to show that I've after doing this for like
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two more years, I am ready to like just go back to that.
23:50
I think another one that I would put into the conversation
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just because it still makes me laugh so much now is next.
23:56
It's like that movie sucks.
23:58
It's so bad, but like it is pretty fun and fun.
24:01
It's the most exploding Jessica Alba's of any film,
24:05
which is zero of those Beals.
24:07
Yeah. Oh, yes.
24:09
You know, I would be excited for some drive angry also
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that that scene of him like, yeah,
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getting laid and drinking
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and then getting into a gunfight while still getting laid was just too good.
24:25
I mean,
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all right. So let's see, Joe.
24:29
My favorite scene still has got to be the the.
24:33
I mean, it's just so funny and it's so stupid
24:37
and I hadn't remembered until re listening to the podcast
24:41
that when they go and talk to that lady about the dog,
24:44
they're both just making the cool face.
24:46
And I'm like, also very drunk.
24:49
It's like that is so funny to me.
24:52
Just like, what did that lady think?
24:54
It's a dog that looks like a cow.
24:56
Well, lots of dogs can look like cows.
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I just love how
25:05
Joe is just hitting on that lady, too.
25:08
So I go call me sometime.
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Oh, yeah.
25:13
They're going to write my number on this beer can.
25:15
This is a drunk adolescent wanders around in your front yard.
25:22
Don't worry about it. He's cool.
25:24
And then she's like, ask scary if he's
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if he's driving
25:30
because clearly Joe was too drunk.
25:36
It is really good.
25:37
This movie is really good.
25:38
The chemistry between
25:41
Ty Sheridan and Nicholas Cage is terrific.
25:45
Yeah, I mean, I think that's really what it hinges on.
25:47
Right. Like if you had a crappier teenage actor
25:51
or a not Nick Cage in this role, I just don't think it plays the same.
25:56
I was I was coming into this kind of ready to be like, I don't like
26:01
Nick Cage is great in this,
26:03
but I was kind of ready to come into this just with
26:07
I don't know that this movie necessarily hinges on it being the cage,
26:12
but I just have like IMDb open up right now.
26:14
And I'm just watching like little vignettes of
26:17
Joe just out of the corner of my eye and just
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every look, every just little like every little just Nick Cage,
26:25
just Nick Cage smoking a cigarette.
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And I'm like, no, it has that it has to be that face.
26:29
It has to be that fucking guy.
26:31
I don't think that people really.
26:35
Understand it and appreciate.
26:38
How good of a physical actor he is.
26:41
It's only something I'm coming to really kind of appreciate
26:44
several hundreds of hours into this experiment. Yeah.
26:50
Yeah. His Nicholas Cage's physical performances are terrific.
26:55
I think that's I mean,
26:57
that's kind of like what his whole deal hinges on, like all of his freak outs,
27:01
like their big physical things
27:06
that tie into the emotional experience that he's providing.
27:09
But his physicality is just on point.
27:15
And everything from like.
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Yeah. On in 60 seconds.
27:21
Let's ride.
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To the fucking
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ghost rider.
27:29
But I mean, even beyond just like the like the Meeble below is
27:32
I'm just looking at the cover of Joe and just like, yeah,
27:35
the way he just holds his body, just like
27:38
it's so good.
27:40
It's like so many minor things that like the shadow of
27:45
Nick Cage, the crazy man, I feel like really
27:49
covers up like for most people how good he really is at his job.
27:53
Yeah.
27:55
Let's see any other new thoughts on Joe
27:57
from either listening back to us or from watching it a fresh time.
28:03
I'm still not.
28:05
And this is just a personal like.
28:08
Personal gripe.
28:09
I'm still not really sold on just like
28:11
getting a bunch of not actors to ad lib a bunch of lines.
28:14
Oh yeah, like the workers and stuff.
28:16
A lot of the like talk around Joe and just the Joe.
28:19
Yeah, just Joe like them saying Joe for every other word.
28:22
I'm just like.
28:23
Yeah. And that's certainly far more
28:27
evident when you've got subtitles on
28:31
because when it's just background pattern, it's whatever.
28:36
They do say his name a lot.
28:37
But I some of it I enjoy because,
28:41
well, I've worked with people just like them.
28:43
And so like the whole Slim Jim and Salami conversation.
28:49
Yeah, that gets me.
28:51
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
28:52
Yeah. Some really funny, good ad lib stuff from that.
28:55
Yeah. And I know like I know it's all meant to like
28:58
show a bit like a much more kind of like real feeling
29:02
and down to earth thing.
29:04
But I can, you know, suspend disbelief.
29:08
So it just like it just distracts me from other things.
29:12
And again, that's a personal gripe and.
29:14
Toned it down and cleaned up art a little bit of it.
29:18
Just made it more background,
29:21
but didn't have to be so direct. Yeah.
29:26
Yeah, I think the only other thing about this movie
29:27
that I like probably would change or reduce or adjust a little bit
29:31
is his relationship with that woman who comes and stays with him
29:34
for a period of time, like doesn't do enough for me.
29:38
Yeah. And then she's just sort of gone.
29:41
I still yeah, I mean, I think that just goes to show like
29:45
this is just who he is to a lot of people. For sure.
29:48
Even Tye Sheridan, he's just like he's just the one guy
29:51
who kind of has his shit together, who feels responsible for it.
29:55
It seems like the only person he like, aside from Gary,
29:59
the only person he ever had any kind of like desire
30:04
to be around was Merle.
30:09
So just in regards to like getting here and just these kind of being
30:13
the culmination of like what we've determined are his like serious films.
30:19
I think in regards to like what comedy wound up being, you know,
30:24
there's a he said a lot of those probably could have worked their way in here.
30:28
I don't know. Both these movies are so good for just.
30:32
His gravitas.
30:35
Like I said earlier, I don't know if it's the director
30:36
or just how much he cares about like these roles
30:39
that just bring out these performances.
30:41
I like I thought about
30:44
the interview where he talks about doing Spider-Verse.
30:46
Now he kept doing the lines and, you know, the director's like,
30:49
give me more, give me more and tell eventually like,
30:51
oh, you just want me to go full neck cage.
30:53
You're just like, so on, he, you know, he's in on it.
30:56
But like when we get those like really zany performances,
31:03
it seems maybe at this point in his career, like a little more like.
31:08
That's what he's hired to do that.
31:10
Yeah. Well, I mean, that was something that came up.
31:13
God, I hate having to reference this in G-Force when
31:18
he was like, oh, I can be anybody.
31:19
I'll be the mole because then I can use a different voice.
31:22
And I don't I don't have to just be Nicolas Cage. I can.
31:28
I can be. Speckles. Yeah.
31:33
Fuck.
31:34
Speckles. Yeah.
31:37
The nodes. Nudes.
31:43
That is also a movie I end up thinking about more than I should.
31:46
They fucking cry.
31:48
Oh, you know, I was fucking I was in the gym the other day,
31:50
and I cannot stop just juggling about the crude.
31:55
Fucking the punch monkeys.
31:57
Punch monkey scene is great.
31:59
I still I love that clip of them just shoveling food into their gobs.
32:03
I was thinking about.
32:05
I completely forgot that we ever watched that movie.
32:09
And I know.
32:12
I'm always a fucking.
32:13
I mean, that makes sense.
32:14
That's fine.
32:15
Just say so much to say that the movie slaps
32:18
is an insult to movies that indeed slap.
32:25
Well, it slaps and it punches and it kicks.
32:28
Well, not.
32:29
Probably.
32:32
Not as bad as G Force, but.
32:34
I'm still surprised, though, with like those like family animated films
32:38
that like he still comes hard in the recording booth.
32:42
That's a quite a sentence, Sean.
32:45
I'm going, oh, you you want a full Nick Cage?
32:52
All right.
32:52
So did you have other comparative thoughts for Joe and Pig?
32:57
They both have.
33:00
Food.
33:03
They're both depressing, but end up lifting.
33:07
I mean, yeah, neither of them end well for Nicholas Cage.
33:11
I don't I don't feel like he's come out ahead on either one.
33:16
I think he comes out ahead and pay.
33:17
He makes a friend.
33:19
He has he's kind of like gets to process.
33:24
Yeah, he's processing a little bit of his trauma.
33:26
Yeah, I mean, he comes out the other side.
33:28
OK, so if say.
33:32
If Pete died,
33:35
but I made another friend who was going to talk and be annoying.
33:41
Does that make me come out ahead?
33:45
Maybe Pete's the wrong one to if if somebody we all like to died,
33:52
but you got to have one other friend.
33:55
Yeah.
33:56
And then we hot swapped them out.
33:58
If Pete died.
34:00
Clearly, Pete is the pig in this situation.
34:03
I don't think just getting a new friend means he comes out.
34:10
He also gets a new pig.
34:11
He doesn't get in.
34:12
He hasn't gotten a new pig.
34:14
What isn't that like at the end?
34:17
You hear you hear you hear a new pig.
34:21
That's a that's a weird thing to say about Bruce Springsteen.
34:27
Yeah, I don't think he gets a new pig at the end,
34:29
like he might get a pig in the future, but
34:31
he never needed the pig.
34:34
Like not at the end of the film, but like he does get another pig eventually.
34:39
Like they allude to that.
34:41
This is like learning about Smalls's fake backstory from Nick.
34:46
Yeah, except for Smalls's fake backstory was fucking good.
34:54
I think you've.
34:57
Found more in it than I did,
35:00
because the way I see it is he didn't get his friend back.
35:05
He may have gotten a new friend, but this new friend is clearly annoying
35:10
and he's going back to the woods to be by himself again.
35:14
But he will see a mirror on Thursdays. Yeah.
35:19
Yeah, I mean, I'm with John.
35:21
I find this movie more on the uplifting side than than Joe.
35:25
I mean, like Joe ends because Gary is like, oh, I'm coming out
35:28
of the bad side of things and, you know,
35:31
life might not be totally shit.
35:34
Joe ends, you know, in a sad way, but sort of uplifting way to me.
35:39
And I don't know, I just feel optimistic for some reason.
35:41
It seems like her pig ends with me feeling more optimistic.
35:46
I think I think Peg has has a beautiful and it has just a beautiful,
35:50
beautiful story about like loss and just humanity and the people around us
35:55
and how we never lose them. I think it's about pig manatee, but that's
36:01
again, difference of opinion.
36:07
All right. So should we put it to the vote?
36:10
I mean, I'm never going to be, you know, I mean,
36:12
I'm never going to be unbiased about this.
36:13
Pig is my favorite film from this entire like thing we've done.
36:17
So it's hard for me to vote against that in this in this context.
36:22
And so when it comes down to like, what's a movie?
36:25
I'm going to suggest to most people.
36:28
It's going to be Pig more often than Joe,
36:30
and that I've suggested everyone I've talked to about Nicholas Cage watch pig.
36:34
Yeah, pigs got the.
36:38
I think the stronger script, the better performance,
36:43
better story.
36:45
I really like Joe, but everyone likes Joe, except that one guy.
36:50
Yeah, but he probably has reason.
36:54
He went through a windshield at four in the morning.
36:59
Yeah, and give a fuck.
37:01
But yeah, you know, I'm all for pig here.
37:04
It's it's a terrific film.
37:06
I love love watching it, and I would love other people to love watching it.
37:12
Next person who watches it.
37:13
Tell me if there's a pig noise at the end.
37:16
100% is a pig noise at the end.
37:18
All right. So so pig is the winner. Shocking.
37:21
Yeah, a huge development.
37:23
Events is it?
37:25
No.
37:27
Yeah, so people will be going up against either Wild at Heart or Vampire's Kiss,
37:31
which interesting head to head.
37:35
Yeah, it's going to start getting weird.
37:37
Yeah. I mean, next we're doing the weird movies, but I mean,
37:39
just the matchups are getting action versus comedy, serious versus weird.
37:45
I will say, OK, so going back to my weird like fucking brain fart
37:48
earlier in terms of like
37:50
Nicolas Cage's physical acting and just the presence he brings to a movie.
37:54
I have rethought my take on.
37:58
Conair and him not be necessary for that role.
38:01
Like, no, it just that that big dumb head needs to be is Cameron Powe.
38:06
Yep, there's no other poe.
38:08
Now, I'll admit what I'm wrong.
38:11
I guess.
38:14
This one thing I finally admit the truth.
38:18
Not primal, I will never admit that's good.
38:21
But you'll admit that it's necessary.
38:24
I will watch it again.
38:25
I do want to like I do want to watch it with you, Nick,
38:27
just because I think watching it alone for this was not the mindset to watch that in.
38:34
Well, you're in luck because I bring it with me everywhere I go.
38:39
There you go.
38:40
Nick is going to be over in 10 minutes. 15.
38:44
I'm on the bottom of Portland.
38:45
Yeah.
38:46
There you go. Well, you can come find us on social media at Cage underscore
38:50
match underscore pod or a Patreon at Cage match pod.
38:54
Thanks to our sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill
38:58
and to our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron.
39:05
Who?
39:07
Not my best.
39:08
You can clean it up in post.
39:13
I won't.
39:14
Pigs have corkscrew penises.
39:18
That was ducks.
39:19
They do, too. Terrifying.
39:23
Yeah. Nature isn't so cool and unique.
39:29
Lots of animals have corkscrew penises.
39:32
Raccoons have a bone in their wiener.
39:36
Oh, the pig manatee.
39:38
I think.
39:39
Oh, my.
39:42
I.
39:48
I still think it would be great if Wallace and I did a horse costume
39:53
like team dress up
39:57
and he could be the the horse's head and I would be the horse's ass, but
40:01
he's only a foot tall, so it would be hilarious.
40:07
Yeah. Wallace is a dog.
40:09
No, I googled
40:14
Wenda to see if that was right.
40:16
And this is like one of the first images that showed up in the Google.
40:19
Video. Look at the thing.
40:26
So, dear listener, it is Wenda sitting on the toilet, waving happily.
40:30
Oh, good. I'm glad I didn't click on that.
40:35
That's lovely.
40:36
Yeah, I'm on hotel Wi-Fi.
40:38
I don't need them knowing I'm looking at that shit.
40:44
I think a rough one that would be like a lock the door
40:48
and everyone would have to suffer is dangerous.
40:50
Just so boring.
40:55
I mean, Zandily.
40:57
And it's it's like just in the middle of the most mid.
41:01
No, Zandily is a good secret one.
41:03
What you don't want to show anybody.
41:06
Yes, it's for me only.
41:10
That's my precious.
41:11
No, back.
41:13
Mid is the best way to describe Bangkok dangerous, like
41:16
y'all shat on it so much.
41:17
And I'm just like, this movie is so.
41:21
It is what it is, which is ultimately nothing.
41:24
Yeah, like it's not.
41:25
That's the problem.
41:26
It's not bad and it's not great.
41:29
It's just fucking.
41:30
It's just nothing.
41:32
It's lukewarm tap water.
41:34
It's yesterday's tap water.