Latest / Lama Lena Teachings / Q&A with Lama Lena — Apr 2021
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- 0:03SPEAKER_00: You are live.
- 0:05SPEAKER_01: Good morning, y'all.
- 0:08SPEAKER_01: Today is the all over everywhere question and answer.
- 0:13SPEAKER_01: You can ask whatever you want,
- 0:16SPEAKER_01: which oddly seems to be becoming a continuation of yesterday when I did guru yoga
- 0:24SPEAKER_01: and was not sure how to communicate to you the common sense of the middle way
- 0:32SPEAKER_01: of approaching it.
- 0:35SPEAKER_01: How to avoid the extremes of enslaving yourself to someone while still being able
- 0:43SPEAKER_01: to follow the instructions that will liberate you when they are counterintuitive.
- 0:51SPEAKER_01: Or, that's the wrong word,
- 0:53SPEAKER_01: not counterintuitive,
- 0:55SPEAKER_01: but counter your own personal, well-held, and long-cherished hangups.
- 1:04SPEAKER_01: It's a narrow path, that middle way.
- 1:08SPEAKER_01: I didn't answer all of the questions, so you can also broach that topic, if you like.
- 1:14SPEAKER_01: It's entirely up to you.
- 1:16SPEAKER_01: This is about what you want to know about Dharma.
- 1:29SPEAKER_01: Chukku Kunduzango Gampo
- 1:34SPEAKER_01: Doerjie Sempa Garab Doerjie Dang,
- 1:39SPEAKER_01: Shere Singe Bardushin Labde,
- 1:42SPEAKER_01: Deedang Mazantata Tu Sum Chi,
- 1:46SPEAKER_01: Zogchen Jupe Lama La Sol Wadib,
- 1:53SPEAKER_01: Urgen Pema Junela Sol Wadib,
- 2:02SPEAKER_01: Ndur jie chang jie tila narodang,
- 2:07SPEAKER_01: Marpa mila gompo tsa tsa pa,
- 2:11SPEAKER_01: Na pupadang pal den drupasuk,
- 2:16SPEAKER_01: Kargyu Lama namla solo adeb,
- 2:24SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama namla solo
- 2:28SPEAKER_01: adeb,
- 2:32SPEAKER_01: Ndruchen Lama Namla Solva Deb.
- 2:39SPEAKER_01: Kaginwati Lama Namla Solva Deb.
- 2:46SPEAKER_01: Sakya Lama Namla Solva Deb.
- 2:54SPEAKER_01: Nyendu Dayundrun Lama Namla Solva.
- 3:00SPEAKER_01: Oh, dear.
- 3:02SPEAKER_01: Oh, dear.
- 3:04SPEAKER_01: Oh, dear.
- 3:05SPEAKER_01: Oh, dear.
- 3:05SPEAKER_01: Oh, dear.
- 3:27SPEAKER_01: As we allow questions to accumulate for a minute,
- 3:32SPEAKER_01: I want to address some of the questions that were asked yesterday
- 3:35SPEAKER_01: that I didn't really notice until I looked over later.
- 3:41SPEAKER_01: It seems we have a lot of people who are simply beginning their journey in Dharma,
- 3:47SPEAKER_01: who are interested in doing it here.
- 3:51SPEAKER_01: And they're a bit confused about where to begin.
- 3:55SPEAKER_01: So we are working on having a practice group in Sutrayana.
- 4:03SPEAKER_01: Sutrayana has to do with understanding.
- 4:09SPEAKER_01: It's the first place you start.
- 4:13SPEAKER_01: That group, which Elisa is going to be leading, we're looking at how we're going to do it.
- 4:20SPEAKER_01: There are texts on this,
- 4:22SPEAKER_01: but they're a bit Difficult to understand in the beginning because they are in
- 4:30SPEAKER_01: the context of another culture.
- 4:33SPEAKER_01: So we're looking at how to do that, and I think it should be beginning within a few weeks.
- 4:39SPEAKER_01: So that will be for you guys who are asking, where the hell do I start?
- 4:44SPEAKER_01: It looks interesting.
- 4:47SPEAKER_01: That would be a good place to start.
- 4:50SPEAKER_01: Read the sutras.
- 4:53SPEAKER_01: Read the old stories,
- 4:56SPEAKER_01: the biographies of Milarepa,
- 5:01SPEAKER_01: of Mandareva, of Guru Rinpoche, of the 84 Mahasiddhas.
- 5:09SPEAKER_01: Start with the stories because they are maps.
- 5:13SPEAKER_01: They are maps of the path and you will see what is the same For each one and what is different.
- 5:24SPEAKER_01: This gives you a bit of a map to follow.
- 5:28SPEAKER_01: And start with Sutrayana.
- 5:32SPEAKER_01: Understanding the basic premise of the path of Dharma.
- 5:40SPEAKER_01: Do we have questions as yet?
- 5:42SPEAKER_00: Yes, they are accumulating.
- 5:44SPEAKER_01: Okay, give me one.
- 5:48SPEAKER_00: Let me paste it in.
- 5:50SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
- 5:53SPEAKER_00: How does compassion tie into Dzogchen?
- 5:57SPEAKER_00: Where is its place?
- 5:59SPEAKER_01: Dzogchen is not possible without bodhisitta.
- 6:04SPEAKER_01: Compassion is a word in English which is not an accurate translation of any of
- 6:10SPEAKER_01: the actual terms in Sanskrit or Tibetan.
- 6:14SPEAKER_01: Compassion is a Christian term.
- 6:17SPEAKER_01: It has an element of pity And of looking down on.
- 6:23SPEAKER_01: That is not what's meant.
- 6:27SPEAKER_01: Uda Sita.
- 6:31SPEAKER_01: Literally Bodhi, gone beyond, thus gone, beyond the beyond.
- 6:39SPEAKER_01: Sita, consciousness.
- 6:43SPEAKER_01: Gone beyond the individuality of assumptions.
- 6:49SPEAKER_01: Among other things.
- 6:52SPEAKER_01: Or Ningji, superlative heart, open-heartedness, open-mindedness, great-heartedness.
- 7:01SPEAKER_01: All these are ways you can translate that.
- 7:05SPEAKER_01: So I don't know what you think compassion is,
- 7:09SPEAKER_01: but it's not a word I would use to refer to bodhicitta.
- 7:16SPEAKER_01: It's a bit egotistical.
- 7:17SPEAKER_01: When I think of compassion,
- 7:19SPEAKER_01: I think of, oh,
- 7:21SPEAKER_01: I have compassion for the poor suffering deers,
- 7:24SPEAKER_01: for the single mothers working three jobs.
- 7:28SPEAKER_01: That's not the point.
- 7:31SPEAKER_00: It's a change in your energy channel pattern
- 7:37SPEAKER_01: it refers to as well.
- 7:40SPEAKER_01: The outer teachings I just gave you, the inner teachings is about your energy channel patterns.
- 7:46SPEAKER_01: Ever see one of those fiber optic light dilly bobs that people get to use as
- 7:50SPEAKER_01: a nightlight or something with all the filaments coming out of the middle
- 7:54SPEAKER_01: and they're all kind of glowing?
- 7:58SPEAKER_01: That's a decent analogy.
- 8:00SPEAKER_01: It only goes so far because analogies only go so far.
- 8:04SPEAKER_01: That's made of matter.
- 8:05SPEAKER_01: Your energy channel body is actually made of light.
- 8:09SPEAKER_01: But from each of your main chakras,
- 8:14SPEAKER_01: And from a number of your auxiliary chakras,
- 8:19SPEAKER_01: chakra, nexus, also wheel, place where many of those channels swirl together.
- 8:32SPEAKER_01: From each one of your chakras comes out the many,
- 8:36SPEAKER_01: many little lines of light, which is your energy body.
- 8:41SPEAKER_01: When we do acupuncture,
- 8:44SPEAKER_01: We use a map of where those channels flow right below the skin and
- 8:53SPEAKER_01: by stimulating them in one way or another,
- 8:57SPEAKER_01: and this can also be done without needles by pressure if you know where
- 9:00SPEAKER_01: the points are, where the channels intersect the skin and in what way.
- 9:15SPEAKER_01: Acupuncture is based on that science.
- 9:19SPEAKER_01: But I'm back to bodhisitta, ninji, great-heartedness.
- 9:27SPEAKER_01: Usually,
- 9:29SPEAKER_01: you hold your energy channels utterly wrapped around yourself in a sort of
- 9:34SPEAKER_01: an egg shape.
- 9:35SPEAKER_01: You're slightly pointed on top.
- 9:37SPEAKER_01: Not a lot, but just a little bit.
- 9:40SPEAKER_01: And slightly wider in the middle.
- 9:43SPEAKER_01: And you wrap them around yourself because your channels follow your attention.
- 9:49SPEAKER_01: And you pay a hell of a lot of attention to yourself,
- 9:54SPEAKER_01: to what you think,
- 9:56SPEAKER_01: to what you feel,
- 9:59SPEAKER_01: and to what you perceive,
- 10:01SPEAKER_01: and to what you think about what you perceive and how you assess it to be,
- 10:05SPEAKER_01: and to how you feel about that assessment.
- 10:09SPEAKER_01: You.
- 10:11SPEAKER_01: You're self-thinking all the time.
- 10:14SPEAKER_01: You're self-focusing.
- 10:17SPEAKER_01: That's the self-focusness.
- 10:21SPEAKER_01: Obsessing with yourself, which includes your stuff by which you show off yourself.
- 10:27SPEAKER_01: Why do you like your house neat if you do?
- 10:31SPEAKER_01: Because when someone comes in, they will think you're a good person.
- 10:37SPEAKER_01: Why do you decorate yourself with jewelry or comb your hair?
- 10:42SPEAKER_01: So that when someone sees you, they will think well of you.
- 10:45SPEAKER_01: This is all about you.
- 10:48SPEAKER_01: That's the opposite of ninji.
- 10:53SPEAKER_01: When your channels follow your attention outward towards others,
- 11:01SPEAKER_01: the cramps and self-doubts and constant self-obsession with how you feel,
- 11:08SPEAKER_01: how you think, what you think of how you feel, And judgments and all of that crap.
- 11:15SPEAKER_01: Those cramps relax.
- 11:19SPEAKER_01: And you feel a hell of a lot better.
- 11:26SPEAKER_01: It's simply a matter of opening up your attention outward instead
- 11:32SPEAKER_01: of constantly obsessing on yourself.
- 11:39SPEAKER_01: Do you see why I don't think compassion is such a good translation,
- 11:42SPEAKER_01: even though it's a commonly used one?
- 11:49SPEAKER_01: Next question.
- 11:51SPEAKER_01: Oh, secret teachings.
- 11:53SPEAKER_01: That was inner teachings.
- 11:55SPEAKER_01: I gave you outer teachings first.
- 11:57SPEAKER_01: All teachings have these three levels.
- 12:00SPEAKER_01: The secret teachings, ew.
- 12:08SPEAKER_01: Are not what you think you are.
- 12:12SPEAKER_01: That changes always.
- 12:14SPEAKER_01: Some days you think you're wonderful.
- 12:16SPEAKER_01: Some days you think you're shit.
- 12:19SPEAKER_01: Even some minutes it goes back and forth.
- 12:23SPEAKER_01: I'm still upset about burning supper last night.
- 12:29SPEAKER_01: And thinking about it.
- 12:31SPEAKER_01: And self-focusing on what's wrong with me that I forgot to take it out of the oven.
- 12:38SPEAKER_01: And it was such a nice cauliflower au gratin.
- 12:44SPEAKER_01: She'll have to do it again in this time, remember.
- 12:49SPEAKER_01: Do you see?
- 12:50SPEAKER_01: You do that.
- 12:51SPEAKER_01: I can give you examples in me.
- 12:56SPEAKER_01: So the secret teachings are that the you that is self-obsessing
- 13:09SPEAKER_01: It's not real.
- 13:11SPEAKER_01: You made it up.
- 13:13SPEAKER_01: The you that you're obsessed with is a fictional character.
- 13:19SPEAKER_01: It's just an intersection
- 13:24SPEAKER_01: of karmic patterns, constantly changing, constantly moving.
- 13:32SPEAKER_01: No thing.
- 13:35SPEAKER_01: You're obsessed with a fictional character that you made up.
- 13:40SPEAKER_01: And you think it's real and it scares you and depresses you and alarms you.
- 13:47SPEAKER_01: And it's not even
- 13:49SPEAKER_00: there.
- 13:56SPEAKER_01: Interactive and interpenetrative with all life.
- 14:01SPEAKER_01: This is a perception, not an intellectual knowledge.
- 14:06SPEAKER_01: If you were to do the Chenrezig sadhana,
- 14:10SPEAKER_01: and there's a group practice that I have online for that one,
- 14:13SPEAKER_01: because I think it's really helpful to a lot of people.
- 14:16SPEAKER_01: If you do it enough,
- 14:20SPEAKER_01: that perception of interwoven,
- 14:25SPEAKER_01: interpenetratedness of all life,
- 14:27SPEAKER_01: symbolized by the Western Dhyani Buddha Amitabha,
- 14:31SPEAKER_01: light beyond compare, symbolized by the clear light nature of the Dharmakaya,
- 14:38SPEAKER_01: Becomes apparent.
- 14:40SPEAKER_01: And it's much relaxing.
- 14:43SPEAKER_01: Because you don't have to maintain the will-o'-the-wisp
- 14:47SPEAKER_01: that you're constantly trying to maintain.
- 14:51SPEAKER_01: Because there isn't one.
- 14:54SPEAKER_01: Not the way you think it is.
- 14:59SPEAKER_00: Next question.
- 15:01SPEAKER_00: The white fleshy heart is awake and its role in illuminating the mind is felt.
- 15:07SPEAKER_00: The energy has started to flow up to the eyes.
- 15:11SPEAKER_00: What to do now?
- 15:13SPEAKER_01: Absolutely nothing.
- 15:15SPEAKER_01: If you're working on that channel,
- 15:18SPEAKER_01: your practice relies and requires having stabilized trekture previously.
- 15:26SPEAKER_01: There's nothing in trekture to stabilize.
- 15:29SPEAKER_01: There is that which is inherently stable.
- 15:32SPEAKER_01: You are aware of it.
- 15:35SPEAKER_01: Do nothing.
- 15:36SPEAKER_01: In this practice that you are discussing.
- 15:38SPEAKER_01: You're talking, Togil.
- 15:42SPEAKER_01: Not doing is necessary.
- 15:44SPEAKER_01: Not the doing of nothing.
- 15:48SPEAKER_01: Not the refraining from doing anything.
- 15:51SPEAKER_01: Refraining is a deed.
- 15:53SPEAKER_01: Doing nothing is a deed.
- 15:58SPEAKER_01: Let it happen.
- 15:59SPEAKER_01: Allow the display,
- 16:01SPEAKER_01: which is all the sensations,
- 16:02SPEAKER_01: feelings,
- 16:03SPEAKER_01: and perceptions you're having,
- 16:05SPEAKER_01: Plus the interpretation such as the one you just gave me of those sensations
- 16:10SPEAKER_01: and perceptions.
- 16:12SPEAKER_01: Leave it be as it is.
- 16:16SPEAKER_01: Don't poke it.
- 16:18SPEAKER_01: Don't grab it.
- 16:19SPEAKER_01: Don't try to make it do anything.
- 16:21SPEAKER_01: You'll muck it up.
- 16:22SPEAKER_01: That's how Dorje got his hands stuck in the old board.
- 16:29SPEAKER_01: Just sit there.
- 16:32SPEAKER_01: And allow the display to display itself until it's complete.
- 16:40SPEAKER_01: God, I never thought I'd give a togel teaching in a public online,
- 16:43SPEAKER_01: but that is not enough for any of you to attempt togel on your own.
- 16:50SPEAKER_01: That was simply instructions to someone who appears to be doing it and stuck slightly.
- 16:58SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 17:01SPEAKER_00: Excuse me.
- 17:10SPEAKER_00: Can you explain a little more about how to do a quick glance and check to see
- 17:16SPEAKER_00: if my mind is still there?
- 17:19SPEAKER_01: So the ability to do this depends on you having done other things first
- 17:25SPEAKER_01: because those are what make it easy.
- 17:28SPEAKER_01: The ability for you to rub your stomach and pat your head while riding
- 17:33SPEAKER_01: a bicycle depends on your ability to ride a bicycle.
- 17:38SPEAKER_01: So in order to accomplish this, you need to have a morning session when you first get up.
- 17:47SPEAKER_01: And with your channels in excellent alignment,
- 17:51SPEAKER_01: using a traditional posture,
- 17:54SPEAKER_01: whether that be the Vajra Asana or the Maitreya Asana,
- 18:02SPEAKER_01: using what methods you have been taught
- 18:08SPEAKER_01: Relax your gaze either by the method of just knowing how to relax it or by
- 18:16SPEAKER_01: the method of taking your glasses off or by the method,
- 18:22SPEAKER_01: if you must focus your gaze,
- 18:24SPEAKER_01: focusing it on a point in space two meters in front of you,
- 18:28SPEAKER_01: which will be very hard to maintain and it will eventually relax.
- 18:31SPEAKER_01: These are all methods of relaxing your gaze.
- 18:34SPEAKER_01: Since your attention follows the gaze of your eyes, you'll know this.
- 18:40SPEAKER_01: I've said it often enough.
- 18:43SPEAKER_01: By relaxing your gaze, you will be relaxing the point focus of your attention.
- 18:50SPEAKER_01: This is the difference between looking at something you're going to read with point focus
- 19:01SPEAKER_01: And being aware of everything going on in your peripheral vision, eye-wise.
- 19:13SPEAKER_01: With your gaze relaxed and your breath moving simply and easily,
- 19:20SPEAKER_01: if you cannot bring yourself into relaxation,
- 19:24SPEAKER_01: take a deep breath through your nose slowly and blow out even slower
- 19:29SPEAKER_01: through your mouth.
- 19:39SPEAKER_01: This settles the Chi in your channels.
- 19:45SPEAKER_01: Then gently open your attention from the usual point focus on what you're thinking,
- 19:51SPEAKER_01: feeling,
- 19:53SPEAKER_01: perceiving,
- 19:56SPEAKER_01: known as phenomena,
- 20:00SPEAKER_01: to where you're thinking, feeling, and perceiving your mind itself.
- 20:08SPEAKER_01: Do this again and again in your morning session.
- 20:12SPEAKER_01: Why I say do it again and again?
- 20:14SPEAKER_01: Because you'll do it and you'll rest there for a while and
- 20:17SPEAKER_01: then something will distract you and you'll follow some thought off.
- 20:21SPEAKER_01: And you'll notice you did that because of a tool called mindfulness.
- 20:26SPEAKER_01: And you'll bring yourself right back and do it again.
- 20:30SPEAKER_01: And you'll rest in it for a couple of minutes or a couple of seconds,
- 20:34SPEAKER_01: depending on your skill level.
- 20:37SPEAKER_01: And eventually some sound or sensory perception or a feeling or
- 20:42SPEAKER_01: a thought will grab your attention and walk it on out and you'll follow.
- 20:48SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I did that.
- 20:49SPEAKER_01: And you'll come back.
- 20:51SPEAKER_01: Do that in the morning for a little while.
- 20:55SPEAKER_01: Do it as long as is comfortable for you to do this practice, plus about five to 10%.
- 21:05SPEAKER_01: So stretch it a little, but not too much.
- 21:08SPEAKER_01: If you can do 10 minutes, don't sit for an hour.
- 21:11SPEAKER_01: Sit for 15 minutes at the most.
- 21:16SPEAKER_01: If you do this every morning,
- 21:18SPEAKER_01: you will have set the pattern to make it easier for you to find your mind quickly.
- 21:28SPEAKER_01: However, this will wear off after a couple hours.
- 21:32SPEAKER_01: So every
- 21:36SPEAKER_01: Six to eight times a day,
- 21:39SPEAKER_01: you wanna take a break for about a minute to two minutes to up to five minutes,
- 21:44SPEAKER_01: but no longer, and make a little mini session.
- 21:49SPEAKER_01: Sit somewhere, your office chair will do,
- 21:57SPEAKER_01: Open your attention into the mind itself.
- 22:02SPEAKER_01: This is not what you're thinking.
- 22:04SPEAKER_01: This is not the idea of the mind.
- 22:09SPEAKER_01: This is where the idea of the mind is occurring, not the what but the where.
- 22:17SPEAKER_01: And there is no there to that there where.
- 22:22SPEAKER_01: So six to eight times a day,
- 22:24SPEAKER_01: just for a minute or two,
- 22:26SPEAKER_01: In the West,
- 22:27SPEAKER_01: the easiest time for most people is in the toilet
- 22:32SPEAKER_01: because Western toilets are generally quite nice,
- 22:35SPEAKER_01: comfortable, clean, a nice place to sit, smelling decently, and even decorated.
- 22:42SPEAKER_01: This will not work in Asia where toilets are not like that.
- 22:47SPEAKER_01: So this is a Western method.
- 22:50SPEAKER_01: Whenever you go pee, which will be six to eight times a day if you're drinking enough water,
- 22:58SPEAKER_01: Use the stall, not the urinal.
- 23:02SPEAKER_01: Sit on the toilet.
- 23:03SPEAKER_01: It's just about the right height for most people.
- 23:09SPEAKER_01: Align your channels.
- 23:12SPEAKER_01: Do your business and make a little mini session.
- 23:16SPEAKER_01: Then pull up your pants and go on about the rest of your day.
- 23:21SPEAKER_01: You can do that.
- 23:24SPEAKER_01: This is not Tibetan traditional.
- 23:27SPEAKER_01: However,
- 23:28SPEAKER_01: many Tibetans when they go off into the forest to take a leak will stop somewhere
- 23:34SPEAKER_01: and make a mini session, although not necessarily where they took a leak.
- 23:42SPEAKER_01: Tibetan bathrooms are clumps of trees.
- 23:46SPEAKER_01: Indian bathrooms are
- 23:52SPEAKER_01: unmentionably indescribable.
- 23:56SPEAKER_01: Especially the public ones.
- 24:02SPEAKER_01: If you do that,
- 24:04SPEAKER_01: you will have set yourself up to have an easy time,
- 24:09SPEAKER_01: as often as you can remember to do it,
- 24:13SPEAKER_01: to quickly and briefly, without attempting to dwell on it.
- 24:22SPEAKER_01: What I mean by don't grab it.
- 24:25SPEAKER_01: Simply shift your attention
- 24:30SPEAKER_01: to the where your thoughts be happening rather
- 24:33SPEAKER_01: than what you be thinking.
- 24:37SPEAKER_00: You always be thinking.
- 24:39SPEAKER_01: Yes, I'm using that verb tense on purpose.
- 24:44SPEAKER_01: Because it's exactly what I mean.
- 24:49SPEAKER_01: You always be thinking in the same place, your mind.
- 24:54SPEAKER_01: So all you have to do is notice that you're thinking, since you always are, that's not so hard.
- 25:03SPEAKER_01: And then unfocus your eyes for a moment,
- 25:07SPEAKER_01: which unfocuses your attention,
- 25:09SPEAKER_01: which makes it easier for you to have a quick glance, not at the thought, but at the
- 25:21SPEAKER_01: Ground of mind itself from which all thoughts arise and into which all thoughts vanish.
- 25:29SPEAKER_01: Do not intentionally look away from that once you notice it.
- 25:34SPEAKER_01: Do not intentionally dwell on it once you notice it.
- 25:40SPEAKER_01: Glance, relax.
- 25:43SPEAKER_01: Glance, relax.
- 25:47SPEAKER_01: If you try to dwell on it,
- 25:49SPEAKER_01: you will quickly superimpose the idea or the words or the picture or the feeling
- 25:59SPEAKER_01: of ground of mind,
- 26:05SPEAKER_01: of the word mind,
- 26:09SPEAKER_01: of the word open awareness, of any other euphemism you've been given for this.
- 26:15SPEAKER_01: And that's not it.
- 26:16SPEAKER_01: That's a distortion.
- 26:19SPEAKER_01: So instead of trying to dwell on it, just relax with it.
- 26:25SPEAKER_01: It can last.
- 26:26SPEAKER_01: It cannot last.
- 26:27SPEAKER_01: It can come.
- 26:28SPEAKER_01: It can go.
- 26:28SPEAKER_01: Just relax.
- 26:32SPEAKER_01: And then do it again in a few minutes.
- 26:34SPEAKER_01: And again.
- 26:35SPEAKER_01: And again.
- 26:38SPEAKER_01: This is the key to how to do short moments.
- 26:42SPEAKER_01: But it is based on You being able to recognize, to perceive recognize, recognize.
- 26:57SPEAKER_01: What I'm calling here the words ground of mind, but it's not a ground anywhere.
- 27:04SPEAKER_01: And there isn't even a thing that you call mind.
- 27:09SPEAKER_01: It's a not thingness.
- 27:12SPEAKER_01: And any attempt I make to describe it to you in words is going to distort.
- 27:18SPEAKER_01: So go see for yourself.
- 27:21SPEAKER_01: It's easiest to see it in the morning before you have begun speaking during the day
- 27:28SPEAKER_01: for most people.
- 27:31SPEAKER_01: Before you have engaged your devices and looked at the news,
- 27:37SPEAKER_01: the book you're reading,
- 27:39SPEAKER_01: social media,
- 27:41SPEAKER_01: However you engage yourself with life, before you do that is your easy time.
- 27:49SPEAKER_01: You're not yet engaged with a process.
- 27:54SPEAKER_01: Align your channels and relax into the natural state of not looking at.
- 28:09SPEAKER_01: This is the first step.
- 28:13SPEAKER_01: Later, once this is easy,
- 28:20SPEAKER_01: Rangrich is added,
- 28:26SPEAKER_01: which means
- 28:29SPEAKER_01: to each practice session the question, who sees this, is looked at.
- 28:39SPEAKER_01: Not the question,
- 28:43SPEAKER_01: Wrong Rick, self seeing when there is no self.
- 28:48SPEAKER_01: This is where the experience and the experiencer
- 28:57SPEAKER_01: and
- 28:57SPEAKER_01: the experience said
- 29:02SPEAKER_01: are not perceived as difference as different.
- 29:06SPEAKER_00: It is the key to the
- 29:08SPEAKER_01: level of one taste.
- 29:12SPEAKER_01: However, before then, you need to have accomplished.
- 29:24SPEAKER_01: Accomplished.
- 29:28SPEAKER_01: It's not an accomplishment.
- 29:30SPEAKER_01: You need to have found, noticed,
- 29:42SPEAKER_01: The dance of stillness.
- 29:50SPEAKER_00: Next question.
- 29:52SPEAKER_00: We have a couple of related questions about pain in practice.
- 29:58SPEAKER_00: One person asked, is there a practice that's good for physical pain?
- 30:02SPEAKER_00: I'm awaiting hip replacement surgery in four weeks and the pain is increasing.
- 30:07SPEAKER_00: And on a second related question,
- 30:11SPEAKER_00: How can we begin our practice if we are having extreme pain
- 30:16SPEAKER_00: and therefore difficulty maintaining focus?
- 30:22SPEAKER_01: Pain is difficult to work with.
- 30:26SPEAKER_01: It is difficult, especially to begin your practice while in pain.
- 30:31SPEAKER_01: I recommend you take some drugs.
- 30:35SPEAKER_01: If you're waiting for hip replacement,
- 30:38SPEAKER_01: the only practices I am aware of,
- 30:42SPEAKER_01: which really help with pain,
- 30:45SPEAKER_01: at least for me,
- 30:47SPEAKER_01: require I be sitting in a proper chair in a proper position,
- 30:53SPEAKER_01: which for hip pain,
- 30:55SPEAKER_01: which is generally worse on walking,
- 30:57SPEAKER_01: it doesn't hurt that much when you do that anyway.
- 31:04SPEAKER_01: If
- 31:08SPEAKER_01: You have discovered already
- 31:15SPEAKER_01: what we call nature of mind, senngi gong ngō.
- 31:23SPEAKER_01: Ngōsel, clear light nature of mind.
- 31:28SPEAKER_01: And you are already quite familiar with that.
- 31:34SPEAKER_01: You are then also familiar with the dance,
- 31:40SPEAKER_01: which is also known as the display,
- 31:42SPEAKER_01: which is a series of thoughts,
- 31:44SPEAKER_01: feelings,
- 31:45SPEAKER_01: and sensations interpreted by the thoughts as perceptions about which
- 31:53SPEAKER_01: the feelings occur.
- 31:56SPEAKER_01: Being familiar with that, as well as with the stillness,
- 32:04SPEAKER_01: In the practice of trultranalj,
- 32:07SPEAKER_01: or dancing stillness,
- 32:10SPEAKER_01: when you recognize the indivisibility of the two as one,
- 32:23SPEAKER_01: the pain becomes irrelevant,
- 32:27SPEAKER_01: but the moment you are distracted from this not focused,
- 32:31SPEAKER_01: By say walking into a shop and comparing prices
- 32:35SPEAKER_01: on two things you're considering buying.
- 32:37SPEAKER_01: Shall I buy this one or this one?
- 32:39SPEAKER_01: What are they per pound?
- 32:45SPEAKER_01: You're focusing on the thought you've lost your focus and it hurts again.
- 32:52SPEAKER_01: So if I may say for my personal practice, I'm still working on that.
- 32:59SPEAKER_01: Being old is painful.
- 33:02SPEAKER_01: This hurts and then another day that hurts and then the other thing hurts
- 33:06SPEAKER_01: and always something hurts.
- 33:09SPEAKER_01: So old folks hopefully know what they're doing practice wise by
- 33:14SPEAKER_01: the time they're old enough that everything hurts.
- 33:18SPEAKER_01: For a beginner,
- 33:20SPEAKER_01: all I can say is go see a pain clinic,
- 33:23SPEAKER_01: get the acupuncture,
- 33:24SPEAKER_01: get the drugs,
- 33:25SPEAKER_01: see your chiropractor,
- 33:27SPEAKER_01: deal with the physical problem causing the pain as best you can.
- 33:33SPEAKER_01: To get it down to a level that does not disturb your focus.
- 33:40SPEAKER_01: That's the best advice I can give for a beginner.
- 33:48SPEAKER_01: There may be other teachers who know a better answer than this.
- 33:55SPEAKER_01: I have a suspicion that Geshe Tenzin Wanjil Rinpoche Who is an expert at working
- 34:05SPEAKER_01: with the elements and shamanic work may have a better answer for you on this.
- 34:15SPEAKER_01: Even though he's still quite young, so he doesn't hurt all the time.
- 34:20SPEAKER_01: It's worth checking in with him and his organization and inquiring.
- 34:28SPEAKER_01: Next question.
- 34:30SPEAKER_00: A couple of questions related to yesterday's teaching on guru yoga.
- 34:33SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I figured there'd be a few coming back.
- 34:36SPEAKER_00: One question.
- 34:37SPEAKER_00: My root guru had a disagreement with the Lama and later told students to avoid him.
- 34:43SPEAKER_00: Do I need to avoid the teacher in order to keep Samaya to my root Lama?
- 34:56SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
- 35:01SPEAKER_01: If
- 35:05SPEAKER_01: your root Lama is also your heart Lama
- 35:10SPEAKER_01: and is continually interactive with you,
- 35:17SPEAKER_01: you need to believe him.
- 35:20SPEAKER_01: And since his disagreement with the other Lama may be a matter of he thinks
- 35:26SPEAKER_01: the other Lama is doing some harm,
- 35:31SPEAKER_01: Sticky wicket.
- 35:32SPEAKER_01: I would say probably so.
- 35:41SPEAKER_01: But not necessarily.
- 35:43SPEAKER_01: This is going to be a judgment call.
- 35:46SPEAKER_01: And it's really going to depend.
- 35:48SPEAKER_01: You won't break Samaya if you go near the other Lama.
- 35:55SPEAKER_01: In the form of dropping you into the Vajranaraks or
- 35:58SPEAKER_01: in some other terrible thing affecting your practice.
- 36:03SPEAKER_01: However, it is very unusual for a Lama to tell people to stay away from another one.
- 36:11SPEAKER_01: That's as unusual as one doctor telling other doctors to stay away from another one.
- 36:17SPEAKER_01: The worst thing I've ever heard a doctor say about another was a cardiologist saying
- 36:23SPEAKER_01: of the previous cardiologist, well, she is a cardiologist.
- 36:29SPEAKER_01: I'm sure she read the EKG excellently.
- 36:39SPEAKER_01: I'm sure she did too.
- 36:40SPEAKER_01: There were just things going on that weren't in the EKG.
- 36:42SPEAKER_01: It wasn't me.
- 36:44SPEAKER_01: It was someone else.
- 36:47SPEAKER_01: So this is such an unusual situation.
- 36:52SPEAKER_01: However,
- 36:55SPEAKER_01: there are esoteric reasons why if you wish to continue studying and orbiting around
- 37:01SPEAKER_01: the teacher who said stay away from the other teacher, you should probably do it.
- 37:06SPEAKER_01: It may be an issue of
- 37:13SPEAKER_01: I don't want to get into this sticky wicket,
- 37:17SPEAKER_01: but
- 37:20SPEAKER_01: Tibetan politics are messy.
- 37:24SPEAKER_01: Tibetan politics involve poisoning and sicking demons on others.
- 37:34SPEAKER_01: It is really important for Westerners who do not understand Tibetan politics to stay
- 37:40SPEAKER_01: the fuck out of them.
- 37:43SPEAKER_01: It's like telling some sweet innocent Bodhisattva Lama to stay out
- 37:49SPEAKER_01: of American politics because they're messy and they don't get the ramifications
- 37:56SPEAKER_01: of our white supremacist and Trumpites and the liberals
- 38:04SPEAKER_01: and they could easily get themselves into a political mess.
- 38:10SPEAKER_01: By taking sides in American politics.
- 38:12SPEAKER_01: You can imagine some fresh off the boat Tibetan just out of Tibet
- 38:18SPEAKER_01: who really doesn't get all the details.
- 38:23SPEAKER_01: Deciding he likes Trump because he seems like a nice man.
- 38:28SPEAKER_01: Strong.
- 38:32SPEAKER_01: Tibetans like strong kings.
- 38:37SPEAKER_01: Without really understanding what's going on, don't do that to yourself.
- 38:41SPEAKER_01: If they're doing Tibetan politics, you just hide yourself out of that.
- 38:49SPEAKER_01: So I would say it would be better if your root Lama is also one with which you have
- 38:55SPEAKER_01: an ongoing relationship.
- 38:58SPEAKER_01: For safety reasons of both you and the teacher, it will be important to follow that instruction.
- 39:06SPEAKER_01: If your root llama is someone who opened your mind and you only met once
- 39:14SPEAKER_01: and they showed you your mind,
- 39:16SPEAKER_01: but it was somebody like Karmapa and you're not really close to them and you're not
- 39:20SPEAKER_01: in their orbit, then you're going to have to make your best guess.
- 39:27SPEAKER_01: There are certain teachers that I will not,
- 39:36SPEAKER_01: Or I attempt to avoid sharing students with,
- 39:39SPEAKER_01: which is really unusual for me,
- 39:42SPEAKER_01: because of demonic issues, issues with Tibetan demons.
- 39:46SPEAKER_01: I've been bitten by them before.
- 39:48SPEAKER_01: It's a political issue.
- 39:49SPEAKER_01: It's really got very little to do with Dharma.
- 39:53SPEAKER_01: But it's political and they play rough.
- 40:00SPEAKER_01: I'm not going there.
- 40:03SPEAKER_01: And sharing students with a teacher, which I really love to do.
- 40:07SPEAKER_01: I like to share with the Bon, the Galupas, the
- 40:12SPEAKER_01: Yaquis, the Native Americans.
- 40:15SPEAKER_01: I'm really happy all over the place with students going to others.
- 40:22SPEAKER_01: But there's a couple of places that I'm not comfortable with,
- 40:27SPEAKER_01: which if a student wished to go there,
- 40:29SPEAKER_01: I'd speak with them privately and individually.
- 40:32SPEAKER_01: Now, me being a Westerner,
- 40:34SPEAKER_01: I'd be really clear on why,
- 40:37SPEAKER_01: what I perceived the danger as and what I wanted them to do in regard to me
- 40:44SPEAKER_01: if they chose to nonetheless go there.
- 40:48SPEAKER_01: That's me.
- 40:49SPEAKER_01: That's my personality.
- 40:50SPEAKER_01: I explain things.
- 40:54SPEAKER_01: It is not culturally Tibetan necessarily to do so.
- 41:01SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I think I'm too gentle, too nice with y'all, and not kind enough.
- 41:09SPEAKER_01: A kind teacher thwaps you over the head with a stick when necessary.
- 41:14SPEAKER_01: A nice teacher patiently explains again and again while it doesn't go in.
- 41:23SPEAKER_01: That may be a failing of mine as a teacher.
- 41:27SPEAKER_01: Just a little bit too nice.
- 41:31SPEAKER_01: And not kind enough.
- 41:34SPEAKER_01: Only you would know.
- 41:36SPEAKER_01: Do you deserve a stick and I didn't give you one?
- 41:41SPEAKER_01: Oops.
- 41:42SPEAKER_01: I'll try to next time.
- 41:46SPEAKER_01: Next question.
- 41:47SPEAKER_00: This other question is related to yesterday's teaching on Guru Yoga.
- 41:53SPEAKER_00: At one point you were talking about the necessity of having a flesh
- 41:57SPEAKER_00: and blood teacher in front of you to learn from.
- 42:00SPEAKER_00: And you use the phrase looking for a babysitter in regards to looking for a teacher.
- 42:09SPEAKER_00: And one person asks,
- 42:12SPEAKER_00: they want more details on what you mean by looking for a babysitter
- 42:16SPEAKER_00: and how we proceed to finding the actual teacher if what we have is a babysitter.
- 42:22SPEAKER_01: What I'm calling a babysitter I have also heard called a spiritual friend.
- 42:28SPEAKER_01: They are anyone.
- 42:31SPEAKER_01: Who you trust to receive teachings from even though you are not really wishing
- 42:37SPEAKER_01: or prepared at this time to enter into a full Samaya guru student relationship
- 42:45SPEAKER_01: or they are not prepared to do so with you.
- 42:49SPEAKER_01: They can still teach you.
- 42:51SPEAKER_01: Look, we have people, students of mine, who may or may not turn out to be somebody's guru.
- 43:01SPEAKER_01: But that will develop over time.
- 43:05SPEAKER_01: Teaching student-led practice groups.
- 43:09SPEAKER_01: Those are spiritual friends.
- 43:12SPEAKER_01: Some of them are also Llamas.
- 43:13SPEAKER_01: Others don't want the title but are just as good as.
- 43:20SPEAKER_01: Some people don't like titles.
- 43:24SPEAKER_01: So those are spiritual friends.
- 43:27SPEAKER_01: You find somebody like that to teach you.
- 43:33SPEAKER_01: What you want to know, how to do it.
- 43:36SPEAKER_01: And you keep checking out teachers and you find several of them.
- 43:40SPEAKER_01: They're not necessarily your root guru.
- 43:44SPEAKER_01: Your root guru is whosoever shows you the nature of your mind in such a way
- 43:51SPEAKER_01: that you actually really
- 43:55SPEAKER_00: notice it.
- 43:59SPEAKER_01: That glimpse, unless you run like fucking even then, Doesn't really completely go away again.
- 44:10SPEAKER_01: There's probably going to be words with it, but the words vary.
- 44:14SPEAKER_01: My teacher said to me,
- 44:18SPEAKER_01: haven't you noticed the sky is not blown about by the wind?
- 44:33SPEAKER_01: There will be a point where that happens.
- 44:36SPEAKER_01: That's your root guru.
- 44:39SPEAKER_01: You get only one.
- 44:40SPEAKER_01: You're only a virgin once.
- 44:44SPEAKER_01: You get one guy who was first or one woman who was first for you.
- 44:51SPEAKER_01: And you hold them and cherish them somewhere in your heart.
- 44:55SPEAKER_01: Hi, Douglas, if you're out there.
- 45:05SPEAKER_01: And so is your root guru, but you may only meet them once in your life.
- 45:13SPEAKER_01: It might happen during a gigantic Karmapa black hat ceremony.
- 45:19SPEAKER_01: 16th Karmapa used to do that, 17th there's political issues why he hasn't got the hat.
- 45:26SPEAKER_01: The hat is special.
- 45:34SPEAKER_01: I had a friend who was the hat's driver for some time.
- 45:40SPEAKER_01: And it was the most powerful experience of his life.
- 45:43SPEAKER_01: And just from the hat, he got the first glimpse.
- 45:46SPEAKER_01: So his root guru is a hat.
- 45:50SPEAKER_01: A big black hat.
- 45:53SPEAKER_01: You never know.
- 45:59SPEAKER_01: Until that happens, everybody will teach you and they're all kind of like babysitters.
- 46:05SPEAKER_01: They're spiritual friends, they're help mates and they're teaching you.
- 46:13SPEAKER_01: Some of them may become your heart teacher.
- 46:20SPEAKER_01: Often your root guru and your heart teacher are the same person.
- 46:25SPEAKER_01: Not always.
- 46:28SPEAKER_01: You may have more than one heart teacher.
- 46:32SPEAKER_01: It's a closer relationship than what I call babysitter or spiritual friend
- 46:40SPEAKER_01: because it involves the absolute trust,
- 46:46SPEAKER_01: belief, or at least enough trust and belief.
- 46:52SPEAKER_01: I didn't drink the kerosene.
- 46:55SPEAKER_01: I told you I was a bad student.
- 47:00SPEAKER_01: Enough trust and belief for them to be able to drop kick you off the cliff
- 47:07SPEAKER_01: of your made up pretend mind personality.
- 47:16SPEAKER_01: So until such time as you have a root teacher,
- 47:22SPEAKER_01: everybody's a spiritual friend and a babysitter.
- 47:27SPEAKER_01: And they guide you.
- 47:28SPEAKER_01: And if you choose to learn Tantra or Dzogchen from a teacher,
- 47:35SPEAKER_01: you will eventually need to enter into a heart relationship.
- 47:42SPEAKER_01: In order to get the fourth Wong to actually receive it, it is often necessary.
- 47:49SPEAKER_01: In order to be convinced to let go of your deeply cherished Personal belief systems.
- 48:00SPEAKER_01: You need to trust someone.
- 48:06SPEAKER_01: And that's your heart teacher.
- 48:09SPEAKER_01: Who may also be a root guru or not.
- 48:12SPEAKER_01: Like, I think Langa Rinpoche was a heart teacher for the guy whose root guru was a hat.
- 48:22SPEAKER_00: It happens.
- 48:25SPEAKER_00: Next question.
- 48:28SPEAKER_00: Why do we dedicate the merits of our practice?
- 48:32SPEAKER_00: Why does this work and why is it so powerful?
- 48:38SPEAKER_01: Outer answer.
- 48:42SPEAKER_01: Whenever you do a practice and a accumulation of what is called Sonam,
- 48:53SPEAKER_01: And may be considered or thought of as bits of stressless openness are created.
- 49:04SPEAKER_01: If you hoard those and later on you lose your own stressless openness acquired
- 49:14SPEAKER_01: from it by becoming angry at somebody who cuts you off in traffic, you destroy them.
- 49:21SPEAKER_01: You squish them.
- 49:22SPEAKER_01: They're gone.
- 49:24SPEAKER_01: Because you kept them.
- 49:26SPEAKER_01: They were just in you, in your channel pattern.
- 49:30SPEAKER_01: So when your channel pattern got changed by a circumstance, there they went.
- 49:36SPEAKER_01: All gone.
- 49:37SPEAKER_01: You just wasted all that work.
- 49:41SPEAKER_01: However,
- 49:42SPEAKER_01: if at the end of the practice,
- 49:46SPEAKER_01: you do what is called dedicating the merits, which is a term for
- 49:56SPEAKER_01: An action of shifting them outwards to be shared.
- 50:05SPEAKER_01: They are no longer just on you in your karmic pattern.
- 50:09SPEAKER_01: They are in the shared mutual karmic pattern of the mandala.
- 50:13SPEAKER_01: And so by a mistake of yours cannot be destroyed.
- 50:19SPEAKER_01: On an inner level,
- 50:23SPEAKER_01: your Energy channels,
- 50:25SPEAKER_01: we're talking energy channels again, called Sa, in which Lung rides, called Qi.
- 50:36SPEAKER_01: So your energy channels are not, I mean,
- 50:40SPEAKER_01: you do try to keep them wrapped around yourself,
- 50:43SPEAKER_01: but you think of your friends and the people you meet and all those other things,
- 50:47SPEAKER_01: so you're still utterly interwoven.
- 50:50SPEAKER_01: I mean, look at who you are today.
- 50:54SPEAKER_01: How'd you get to be that person from who you were 10 years ago?
- 50:59SPEAKER_01: You had experiences.
- 51:02SPEAKER_01: What kind of experiences?
- 51:05SPEAKER_01: Interactive experiences with other living beings.
- 51:09SPEAKER_01: You read books, so you interacted on a level with the author.
- 51:15SPEAKER_01: You watched TV shows, so you interacted with the team that created that.
- 51:21SPEAKER_01: You talk to people.
- 51:23SPEAKER_01: You bought objects from people.
- 51:25SPEAKER_01: You went to work and associated with people.
- 51:29SPEAKER_01: So all of that experiences has made you who you are.
- 51:35SPEAKER_01: You're not an isolate.
- 51:36SPEAKER_01: You're interwoven with everything.
- 51:40SPEAKER_01: When you create Sonam, Sonam is created as a channel pattern.
- 51:49SPEAKER_01: Sonam is a Stressless.
- 51:56SPEAKER_01: Digpa is stress, tightness, scrinch.
- 52:01SPEAKER_01: Sonam is open relaxation.
- 52:07SPEAKER_01: You create it in your channels by your practice.
- 52:12SPEAKER_01: At the end of your practice,
- 52:14SPEAKER_01: you reach out with your channels and allow all of
- 52:18SPEAKER_01: that open relaxation you have created by your practice,
- 52:22SPEAKER_01: the Geva,
- 52:23SPEAKER_01: the Sonam,
- 52:25SPEAKER_01: also known as Merit,
- 52:26SPEAKER_01: to flow outward and become completely enmeshed in all your mandala's channels.
- 52:37SPEAKER_01: So as the day goes on and stresses occur and you get squinched,
- 52:45SPEAKER_01: Which will happen because one does.
- 52:49SPEAKER_01: Those channel patterns of soft, gentle, open-hearted, open-minded relaxation are not squinched.
- 53:01SPEAKER_01: They're out there and in the fullness of time will reverberate and echo back to you
- 53:11SPEAKER_01: and to everyone else.
- 53:16SPEAKER_01: This is the inner teaching on why we dedicate the merits.
- 53:21SPEAKER_01: Because we are interwoven, interpenetrating with all others.
- 53:29SPEAKER_01: On a secret level,
- 53:40SPEAKER_01: there are no
- 53:44SPEAKER_01: permanent Things such as living entities.
- 53:52SPEAKER_01: And yet there are nodes, nexuses,
- 54:00SPEAKER_01: sentient beings.
- 54:04SPEAKER_01: Each one a clump of channels, of energy, of karmic patterns held by that or held in that way.
- 54:17SPEAKER_01: Each one of those karmic patterns throughout time and space has a point of utter relaxation.
- 54:22SPEAKER_01: That point is enlightenment.
- 54:28SPEAKER_01: To share the merits is simply the way that all Buddhas of
- 54:33SPEAKER_01: the four times pick themselves up out of all sentient beings of the three realms
- 54:39SPEAKER_01: by their bootstraps.
- 54:44SPEAKER_01: It is so as it has always been.
- 54:48SPEAKER_01: In fact,
- 54:49SPEAKER_01: when you sing prayers that dedicate merits,
- 54:53SPEAKER_01: these merits that I dedicate,
- 54:59SPEAKER_01: which I have created here,
- 55:04SPEAKER_01: as those who have gone before me implied go with me,
- 55:10SPEAKER_01: implied will go after me,
- 55:13SPEAKER_01: Have always and will have always done, funny grammatic term.
- 55:19SPEAKER_01: Let it be so.
- 55:24SPEAKER_01: All sentient beings do arise as all Buddhas.
- 55:30SPEAKER_01: This is obvious.
- 55:34SPEAKER_01: Where else would they come from?
- 55:36SPEAKER_01: Or go to?
- 55:39SPEAKER_01: In such a way they have all done this as you do.
- 55:46SPEAKER_01: The secret teachings are of course self-secret and may or may not make any sense
- 55:50SPEAKER_01: to you whatsoever, which is okay.
- 55:54SPEAKER_01: Just follow the outer ones if that's what you get.
- 55:58SPEAKER_01: Or the outer and the inner.
- 56:00SPEAKER_00: Or all three.
- 56:04SPEAKER_01: It is very important to do.
- 56:08SPEAKER_01: All sessions,
- 56:11SPEAKER_01: all practices,
- 56:12SPEAKER_01: traditionally,
- 56:14SPEAKER_01: as all Buddhas have done before me,
- 56:16SPEAKER_01: as all Buddhas do with me,
- 56:18SPEAKER_01: as all Buddhas will have done after me,
- 56:21SPEAKER_01: are begun by a combination of refuge,
- 56:25SPEAKER_01: which is guru yoga, and bodhisitta, which is also guru yoga.
- 56:33SPEAKER_01: You take refuge and arise Bodhisitta as the purpose,
- 56:37SPEAKER_01: the motivation for all practices, and you dedicate the merits.
- 56:44SPEAKER_01: It's a really funny term, dedicate the merits.
- 56:51SPEAKER_01: Offer out the benefit at the end.
- 56:55SPEAKER_01: It's not like little gold stars,
- 56:56SPEAKER_01: and merits is a weird word, but it is a way that Tibetans think of it.
- 57:04SPEAKER_01: As little points that you gather.
- 57:10SPEAKER_01: That's a harder way for a Westerner to think of it.
- 57:13SPEAKER_01: And it's only a way of thinking of it, not what it really is.
- 57:21SPEAKER_00: Next question.
- 57:23SPEAKER_00: How to avoid feeling overwhelmed when trying to help other beings,
- 57:29SPEAKER_00: but there are too many coming to you to receive it?
- 57:37SPEAKER_01: This starfish.
- 57:43SPEAKER_01: Get yourself a little piece of jewelry.
- 57:47SPEAKER_01: It can be a pin,
- 57:48SPEAKER_01: a necklace,
- 57:49SPEAKER_01: or an earring, or even a ring in the shape of a starfish
- 57:57SPEAKER_01: to remember this story.
- 58:01SPEAKER_01: I have to talk to you in analogies here.
- 58:05SPEAKER_01: One day there had been a big, terrible storm at the seacoast with massive waves and winds.
- 58:13SPEAKER_01: And the next morning it dawned clear and a little girl was walking along the beach
- 58:20SPEAKER_01: and all the starfish had been washed up by the waves and were dying in the sun on
- 58:28SPEAKER_01: the beach.
- 58:30SPEAKER_01: Thousands and thousands of them.
- 58:35SPEAKER_01: And as she walked along,
- 58:37SPEAKER_01: she was picking up the starfish and flinging it as far as she could like
- 58:42SPEAKER_01: a frisbee out into the water.
- 58:44SPEAKER_01: And picking up the next one and flinging it as far as she could
- 58:49SPEAKER_00: like a frisbee out
- 58:50SPEAKER_00: into the water where it could live.
- 58:53SPEAKER_01: And some people came and said to her, why are you doing that?
- 58:56SPEAKER_01: There's 84,000s and thousands of starfish on this beach.
- 59:02SPEAKER_01: You'll never save them all.
- 59:04SPEAKER_01: You're really not making a difference.
- 59:08SPEAKER_01: And she said, well, perhaps not.
- 59:12SPEAKER_01: But to this starfish,
- 59:14SPEAKER_01: and she picked one up,
- 59:16SPEAKER_01: I'm making a really big difference to this very individual starfish.
- 59:21SPEAKER_01: And she flew it back, threw it back into the water.
- 59:25SPEAKER_01: And she picked up another one and said, and to this one too, what I'm doing is very important.
- 59:32SPEAKER_01: And she threw it back in the water.
- 59:37SPEAKER_01: Remember the starfish.
- 59:41SPEAKER_01: Do what's in front of you again and again.
- 59:46SPEAKER_01: You cannot necessarily save them all.
- 59:50SPEAKER_01: But to this individual that you help, it is vitally important that you do that.
- 59:57SPEAKER_01: So go ahead and do that.
- 1:00:01SPEAKER_01: One by one.
- 1:00:05SPEAKER_01: Starfish by starfish.
- 1:00:10SPEAKER_00: Next question.
- 1:00:11SPEAKER_00: What do you do on days when the resistance to practice is too big?
- 1:00:17SPEAKER_00: How do you work with lethargy and resistance to practice?
- 1:00:21SPEAKER_01: I go read a book, take a walk, cook something interesting.
- 1:00:28SPEAKER_01: Those days happen.
- 1:00:34SPEAKER_01: Usually there's a bit of minimums I'll do.
- 1:00:38SPEAKER_01: Okay, I do a little bit.
- 1:00:40SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like it and so I don't.
- 1:00:44SPEAKER_01: Be careful if it goes on for more than a couple of days.
- 1:00:48SPEAKER_01: Then you might want to look into it.
- 1:00:50SPEAKER_01: But those just resistance days that arise, you just need a rest.
- 1:00:55SPEAKER_01: Let it go.
- 1:00:58SPEAKER_01: It'll come back much fresher when you get back to it.
- 1:01:04SPEAKER_01: Such is my experience with them.
- 1:01:06SPEAKER_01: And I get those.
- 1:01:07SPEAKER_01: Hell, if I teach too many days in a row, it's like I can't do this.
- 1:01:10SPEAKER_01: I can't even think about Dharma right now.
- 1:01:14SPEAKER_01: So I go cook something interesting, or I take a walk, or I hang out with a friend, or I...
- 1:01:21SPEAKER_01: There's thousands of things I can do instead.
- 1:01:23SPEAKER_01: Read a good book.
- 1:01:25SPEAKER_01: Sci-fi.
- 1:01:27SPEAKER_01: A comic book.
- 1:01:29SPEAKER_01: Sure, why not?
- 1:01:37SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 1:01:38SPEAKER_00: I am worried about being lost in the formless realms or ending up in the Preda or Hell realms.
- 1:01:46SPEAKER_00: What can I do to ensure a good rebirth?
- 1:01:50SPEAKER_00: Practice Bodhicitta.
- 1:01:58SPEAKER_01: Just that.
- 1:02:00SPEAKER_01: Simple.
- 1:02:02SPEAKER_01: Easy.
- 1:02:08SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe not that easy.
- 1:02:11SPEAKER_01: Moderately easy.
- 1:02:13SPEAKER_01: Practice it as best you can.
- 1:02:20SPEAKER_01: Continue to create Gawa and dedicate them.
- 1:02:26SPEAKER_01: Offer them up and out.
- 1:02:27SPEAKER_01: Gawa, those merit thingies.
- 1:02:31SPEAKER_01: Relaxations.
- 1:02:33SPEAKER_01: Stresslessnesses.
- 1:02:41SPEAKER_01: Or get yourself an insurance policy.
- 1:02:45SPEAKER_01: We do have them, you know, for your rebirth.
- 1:02:51SPEAKER_01: Dewa Chen is set up in such a way that you can get in there born in a closed or
- 1:02:56SPEAKER_01: an open lotus without any
- 1:03:02SPEAKER_01: achievement spiritually, simply by the mantra.
- 1:03:08SPEAKER_01: So if you want
- 1:03:13SPEAKER_01: Insurance policy because you're not sure you're good enough.
- 1:03:19SPEAKER_01: The usual self-doubt, crappy, crappy, crappy.
- 1:03:24SPEAKER_01: Om, Ami, Dewa, Khri.
- 1:03:35SPEAKER_01: Om, Ami, Dewa, Khri.
- 1:03:42SPEAKER_01: Om Ami Dei Wahri.
- 1:03:47SPEAKER_01: Om Ami Dei Wahri.
- 1:03:51SPEAKER_01: Om Ami Dei Wahri.
- 1:03:54SPEAKER_01: Om Ami Dei Wahri.
- 1:03:56SPEAKER_01: Om Ami Dei Wahri.
- 1:03:59SPEAKER_01: Om Ami Dei Wahri.
- 1:04:00SPEAKER_01: Om Ami Dei Wahri.
- 1:04:03SPEAKER_01: Simply make a habit of this mantra so that that habit Reoccurs,
- 1:04:11SPEAKER_01: that it's habitual enough that it reoccurs when you hit the bardo of becoming.
- 1:04:21SPEAKER_01: And this creates like Velcro loops on you,
- 1:04:26SPEAKER_01: which the hooks of that Pure Land,
- 1:04:30SPEAKER_01: it's a design issue,
- 1:04:32SPEAKER_01: can catch you up and pull you in there even if you haven't a clue what you're doing.
- 1:04:38SPEAKER_01: So you could get an insurance policy.
- 1:04:43SPEAKER_01: You will experience the pure land of Amitabha on multiple levels.
- 1:04:52SPEAKER_01: The simplest for those who without developing any other spiritual abilities
- 1:04:59SPEAKER_01: or awarenesses simply recited the mantra will come to a land
- 1:05:06SPEAKER_01: which is extremely comfortable and beautiful.
- 1:05:10SPEAKER_01: In which birth does not occur sexually,
- 1:05:14SPEAKER_01: but rather spontaneously in lotus flowers that bloom in the pools there.
- 1:05:23SPEAKER_01: So there's only one gender.
- 1:05:27SPEAKER_01: There is no gender discrimination because there is not two.
- 1:05:30SPEAKER_01: There is only one race.
- 1:05:31SPEAKER_01: There is no race discrimination because there is not a variety.
- 1:05:36SPEAKER_01: Everyone is similar to each other enough.
- 1:05:42SPEAKER_01: That
- 1:05:44SPEAKER_01: there is very little strife in that place
- 1:05:50SPEAKER_01: as people tend to strife around differences.
- 1:05:56SPEAKER_01: And there are people
- 1:06:03SPEAKER_01: in that place It's like a holding pattern
- 1:06:08SPEAKER_01: where teachings are given slowly according to interest
- 1:06:13SPEAKER_01: and slowly one's development occurs until one transcends the solidity of
- 1:06:21SPEAKER_01: the holding pattern and recognizes the nature of the light of which it's made.
- 1:06:31SPEAKER_01: So you can do that if you like.
- 1:06:38SPEAKER_00: Next question.
- 1:06:40SPEAKER_00: As practitioners, how do we help those who have died due to suicide?
- 1:07:00SPEAKER_01: Light lamps for them, butter lamps, votive candles.
- 1:07:08SPEAKER_01: Shortly after they've died in places they used to frequent,
- 1:07:14SPEAKER_01: longer after they've died,
- 1:07:16SPEAKER_01: either at the cemetery or where the cremation has been spread or
- 1:07:26SPEAKER_01: at holy power points around you.
- 1:07:29SPEAKER_01: These can include churches and temples, stupas, statues.
- 1:07:36SPEAKER_01: Do this in their name, offer light.
- 1:07:39SPEAKER_01: That is probably the single most powerful practice.
- 1:07:45SPEAKER_01: It is good to say the Amitabha mantra while offering light.
- 1:07:54SPEAKER_01: Regardless of how anyone has died,
- 1:07:59SPEAKER_01: this is the most effective that I can think of.
- 1:08:05SPEAKER_01: For doing after some time.
- 1:08:08SPEAKER_01: There are things you can do immediately with the body.
- 1:08:13SPEAKER_01: But generally when you're asking me this, it's like some months later.
- 1:08:18SPEAKER_01: So I'm talking about what you can do some months later.
- 1:08:26SPEAKER_01: If you come upon a recently dead body,
- 1:08:30SPEAKER_01: be it a mouse your cat has gotten,
- 1:08:33SPEAKER_01: or a friend who's OD'd, Or a parent or older person who has just come to their time.
- 1:08:42SPEAKER_01: Before it's been messed with,
- 1:08:44SPEAKER_01: there is a text,
- 1:08:47SPEAKER_01: a magical text,
- 1:08:50SPEAKER_01: which you can circle their head three times and touch their top knot.
- 1:08:57SPEAKER_01: I have it somewhere and we'll see if I can find it and put it up on the website so
- 1:09:04SPEAKER_01: that you can print it out.
- 1:09:06SPEAKER_01: Wrap it in a bit of brocade and keep it for that purpose.
- 1:09:11SPEAKER_01: You just touch the crown three times clockwise.
- 1:09:15SPEAKER_01: Am I going clockwise?
- 1:09:16SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 1:09:17SPEAKER_01: Three times clockwise around the top of the head.
- 1:09:23SPEAKER_01: Touch the crown chakra.
- 1:09:25SPEAKER_01: This is very powerful if done at the time of or shortly after death.
- 1:09:36SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we take the ashes and have them made into tsatsa,
- 1:09:46SPEAKER_00: little stupas,
- 1:09:49SPEAKER_01: and leave them about in PowerPoints.
- 1:09:52SPEAKER_01: This is also good for the individual.
- 1:09:56SPEAKER_01: So there are magical things you can do, but the offering of light is one of the best.
- 1:10:03SPEAKER_01: Especially if done with the mantra of light beyond compare.
- 1:10:14SPEAKER_01: You see,
- 1:10:17SPEAKER_01: in the mandala of the Dhyani Buddhas,
- 1:10:19SPEAKER_01: which is a symbolic rendition of the inner and outer psyche experience
- 1:10:30SPEAKER_01: of sentient beings.
- 1:10:34SPEAKER_01: The center is space.
- 1:10:40SPEAKER_01: The south, golden, blue in color, sky colored, infinite open space.
- 1:10:50SPEAKER_01: To the south lies the golden richness
- 1:10:57SPEAKER_01: of form,
- 1:11:00SPEAKER_01: the earth element.
- 1:11:05SPEAKER_01: To the west lies the brilliance.
- 1:11:12SPEAKER_01: Red.
- 1:11:14SPEAKER_01: The red of the sunset.
- 1:11:17SPEAKER_01: Fire element.
- 1:11:24SPEAKER_01: To the north lies the indomitable efficiency.
- 1:11:33SPEAKER_01: Green.
- 1:11:36SPEAKER_01: Of the water element, sometimes black.
- 1:11:42SPEAKER_01: To the east lies
- 1:11:47SPEAKER_01: the pure mirror-like equanimity, even awareness of openness.
- 1:11:59SPEAKER_01: Primordial purity, unsullied and unsullible of the air element.
- 1:12:09SPEAKER_01: And so this dance of mandalas symbolized by the Dhyani Buddhas,
- 1:12:14SPEAKER_01: Yab and Yum, is the inner and outer pattern.
- 1:12:25SPEAKER_01: Light, fire, love, passion, open-hearted bodhisitta.
- 1:12:36SPEAKER_01: The light is the symbol of life.
- 1:12:41SPEAKER_01: And life itself is the symbol of movement and movement is the symbol of energy.
- 1:12:49SPEAKER_01: And that energy itself is the symbol of all pervading everywhere vitality,
- 1:12:56SPEAKER_01: the lucidity by which you can think,
- 1:13:02SPEAKER_01: feel, perceive, by which all beings can and which does not end.
- 1:13:11SPEAKER_01: Unborn undying.
- 1:13:14SPEAKER_00: So offer light as the
- 1:13:16SPEAKER_01: symbol of this.
- 1:13:19SPEAKER_01: Do you understand?
- 1:13:25SPEAKER_01: Next, after which I need more coffee.
- 1:13:27SPEAKER_00: Okay, the practice you just described, is that Poa, or am I thinking of something?
- 1:13:33SPEAKER_00: It is not.
- 1:13:33SPEAKER_00: Okay, a couple of students were asking if that's something you teach is the practice of Poa.
- 1:13:38SPEAKER_01: I'm not that good at it.
- 1:13:40SPEAKER_01: There are other teachers who are better at Tsalung stuff, and Poa is Tsalung.
- 1:13:47SPEAKER_00: My channels are kind of grotty.
- 1:13:48SPEAKER_00: I like cigars.
- 1:13:53SPEAKER_01: Oh.
- 1:13:55SPEAKER_01: So I would refer out to an expert
- 1:14:03SPEAKER_01: for this.
- 1:14:06SPEAKER_01: Jane Dedman, what is she called now?
- 1:14:11SPEAKER_01: Jane is really good at POA.
- 1:14:13SPEAKER_01: It's her best thing.
- 1:14:15SPEAKER_01: She's down in Brazil, I think.
- 1:14:18SPEAKER_01: She's Chanda Tuku's wife.
- 1:14:26SPEAKER_01: I can't remember what they're calling her now.
- 1:14:30SPEAKER_01: Do you know your endo remember what they call Chandatuku's wife now?
- 1:14:36SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't.
- 1:14:42SPEAKER_00: Somebody in the audience may.
- 1:14:43SPEAKER_01: Somebody in the audience may.
- 1:14:45SPEAKER_01: Anyway, she's an expert at BOA.
- 1:14:48SPEAKER_01: And someone I would happily send you to.
- 1:14:51SPEAKER_01: But she's in Brazil.
- 1:14:52SPEAKER_01: And Brazil is a mess.
- 1:14:54SPEAKER_01: You can't get there right now.
- 1:14:56SPEAKER_01: And I suspect it needs to be taught in person.
- 1:15:01SPEAKER_01: There's other people who are better at it than I am.
- 1:15:07SPEAKER_01: I would rather refer you out for that one.
- 1:15:14SPEAKER_01: Can we have another question?
- 1:15:15SPEAKER_01: Because I really don't have an answer to that.
- 1:15:17SPEAKER_00: A question about astral travel.
- 1:15:20SPEAKER_00: Someone mentioned having Out of body experiences while meditating and was wondering
- 1:15:25SPEAKER_00: if there are practices that actually help you achieve astral travel.
- 1:15:31SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, dream yoga.
- 1:15:32SPEAKER_01: Practice that.
- 1:15:34SPEAKER_01: First of all, there's no such thing as two places.
- 1:15:46SPEAKER_01: Second of all, there's no such thing as a soul.
- 1:15:53SPEAKER_01: So what are you going to travel with and to?
- 1:15:56SPEAKER_01: Nonetheless, it's perfectly possible to have that experience.
- 1:16:06SPEAKER_01: I would say study dream yoga would be your best bet for that.
- 1:16:11SPEAKER_01: Your experts on dream yoga would be Alan Wallace and Geshe Tenzin Wanjil Rinpoche,
- 1:16:20SPEAKER_01: although I've taught it also.
- 1:16:22SPEAKER_01: And I've had Geshe Wanjel on here on YouTube teaching it from my channel.
- 1:16:32SPEAKER_01: The fourth teaching he did.
- 1:16:34SPEAKER_01: I did the first three.
- 1:16:36SPEAKER_01: So it's quite doable.
- 1:16:38SPEAKER_01: And I would say if that's your interest,
- 1:16:45SPEAKER_01: you might pursue it in that direction.
- 1:16:51SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 1:16:54SPEAKER_00: Many questions.
- 1:16:56SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, they always are.
- 1:16:57SPEAKER_01: We'll get as many as we can today.
- 1:16:59SPEAKER_00: What practice can we do to improve the karma of children suffering with child sexual abuse?
- 1:17:08SPEAKER_01: Love them.
- 1:17:21SPEAKER_01: And keep them safe.
- 1:17:31SPEAKER_01: So much would depend on the individual.
- 1:17:39SPEAKER_01: But be gentle.
- 1:17:42SPEAKER_01: Don't force anything.
- 1:17:45SPEAKER_01: I would basically start with just doing manis around them because they are soothing.
- 1:17:52SPEAKER_01: And make one feel safe.
- 1:17:54SPEAKER_01: But I would also make sure that I wasn't creating a false sense of safety
- 1:17:59SPEAKER_01: when there wasn't safety.
- 1:18:05SPEAKER_01: So I guess that's what I can give you for that.
- 1:18:10SPEAKER_01: Manny's might be the best.
- 1:18:15SPEAKER_01: You could, if you wished,
- 1:18:21SPEAKER_01: And if the child wished,
- 1:18:24SPEAKER_01: and only if they were interested,
- 1:18:27SPEAKER_01: teach them to work with Tara, which is also useful.
- 1:18:35SPEAKER_01: But that's not going to be useful or necessary in all cases.
- 1:18:39SPEAKER_01: It's really going to depend on the individual circumstances.
- 1:18:44SPEAKER_01: Anything which is an increase of stress can be smoothed.
- 1:18:57SPEAKER_01: So give that a try.
- 1:19:02SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 1:19:04SPEAKER_00: There was a related question about saying mantras for others,
- 1:19:12SPEAKER_00: even if they aren't Buddhist.
- 1:19:14SPEAKER_00: If you could talk more about that,
- 1:19:17SPEAKER_00: I think people were Are you concerned about whether or not you need permission
- 1:19:22SPEAKER_00: to do such a thing or can you do it as more general practice?
- 1:19:28SPEAKER_01: To specifically say a mantra for another, it is better to have permission.
- 1:19:36SPEAKER_01: There are people who think that Dharma is demonic.
- 1:19:48SPEAKER_01: There's a student whose wife thinks that and he is having a great deal
- 1:19:52SPEAKER_01: of trouble practicing and taking the teachings because of it.
- 1:19:57SPEAKER_01: So if they think Dharma is demonic,
- 1:20:03SPEAKER_01: it would be better not to impose that on them for it would create a stress or
- 1:20:10SPEAKER_01: a tightness.
- 1:20:12SPEAKER_01: You could only pray for them as all sentient beings.
- 1:20:17SPEAKER_01: But not, I wouldn't do it specifically by name.
- 1:20:21SPEAKER_01: It would be unkind.
- 1:20:24SPEAKER_01: It would be a push.
- 1:20:27SPEAKER_01: And what you want to do is an offer.
- 1:20:32SPEAKER_01: Now, conversely,
- 1:20:33SPEAKER_01: if you wish,
- 1:20:35SPEAKER_01: if you work in, say,
- 1:20:36SPEAKER_01: a hospital cafeteria and you wish to say manis for all the sick people in
- 1:20:41SPEAKER_01: the hospital, that's fine.
- 1:20:44SPEAKER_01: You don't need individual permission from all of them.
- 1:20:49SPEAKER_01: It will go into those who are, for those who are receptive and out.
- 1:20:54SPEAKER_01: There was an interesting study done at San Francisco General,
- 1:20:59SPEAKER_01: goodness,
- 1:20:59SPEAKER_01: it must be 30 years ago,
- 1:21:02SPEAKER_01: at the ICU where they randomly separated patients in the ICU into two categories,
- 1:21:10SPEAKER_01: two groups.
- 1:21:11SPEAKER_01: Nobody knew which group.
- 1:21:12SPEAKER_01: It was a blind story.
- 1:21:13SPEAKER_01: It was a control group and a group for which Assorted random groups of people prayed.
- 1:21:22SPEAKER_01: Offerings were made or the names were given to different prayer groups to pray for them.
- 1:21:28SPEAKER_01: Because this was an actual official study,
- 1:21:31SPEAKER_01: people had to sign a thing willing to take part in the study and they didn't know
- 1:21:35SPEAKER_01: which group they were in.
- 1:21:41SPEAKER_01: It was found that there was a great difference in time to discharge from ICU to
- 1:21:48SPEAKER_01: the step-down unit alive for those who were prayed for.
- 1:21:55SPEAKER_01: They got better faster.
- 1:21:58SPEAKER_01: Very interesting study.
- 1:21:59SPEAKER_01: You can still sometimes find records of it online because everything's online.
- 1:22:04SPEAKER_01: I was actually there when it was done.
- 1:22:08SPEAKER_01: Not involved in it,
- 1:22:09SPEAKER_01: but around peripherally and heard about it and saw the announcement
- 1:22:14SPEAKER_01: that they were doing it on the bulletin board and stuff.
- 1:22:17SPEAKER_01: It was back in my paramedic days.
- 1:22:23SPEAKER_01: Very interesting study.
- 1:22:25SPEAKER_01: So it does have effect.
- 1:22:28SPEAKER_01: This is why I have arrangements with our Nyurpa accountant at the cave community.
- 1:22:38SPEAKER_01: Every month they do prayers.
- 1:22:41SPEAKER_01: I send them money.
- 1:22:44SPEAKER_01: Because it works.
- 1:22:48SPEAKER_01: You all can do that too.
- 1:22:50SPEAKER_01: You just send me an email, how do I contact the NERPA to send funds and I'll deal with it.
- 1:22:56SPEAKER_01: I'll send you back how there's a, I've got a template.
- 1:22:59SPEAKER_01: Or Onalaya has a template because I'm not doing that so much all by myself anymore.
- 1:23:07SPEAKER_00: Prayer is powerful.
- 1:23:10SPEAKER_01: Mantra is powerful.
- 1:23:15SPEAKER_01: So I would get permission if I was going to pray for an individual.
- 1:23:19SPEAKER_01: The individuals I pray for, I have requests to pray for.
- 1:23:24SPEAKER_01: Either they or a family member with their permission presumably has requested it.
- 1:23:33SPEAKER_01: Also categories,
- 1:23:35SPEAKER_01: all the sick ones,
- 1:23:37SPEAKER_01: all people who are ill,
- 1:23:38SPEAKER_01: all people who are suffering poverty, from all people who are down with COVID.
- 1:23:44SPEAKER_01: You can do categories quite fine without needing permission.
- 1:23:51SPEAKER_01: I would get individual permission.
- 1:23:54SPEAKER_01: That's not Dharma, that's good manners.
- 1:24:02SPEAKER_01: You don't do stuff to people without their permission.
- 1:24:10SPEAKER_01: It would be digpa, unkind.
- 1:24:15SPEAKER_01: Unkind causes stress.
- 1:24:17SPEAKER_01: Stress is digpa.
- 1:24:21SPEAKER_01: Next question.
- 1:24:24SPEAKER_00: A practical question about Treksha.
- 1:24:26SPEAKER_00: Can the session be done sitting in a chair with a straight back?
- 1:24:31SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's how I do mine at this age.
- 1:24:39SPEAKER_01: I used to be able to sit all night in a full lotus, but that was long ago and far away.
- 1:24:51SPEAKER_01: This is one of my favorite chairs, the one I talk to you from.
- 1:24:54SPEAKER_01: It's just the right height for me.
- 1:24:59SPEAKER_01: And the back is nice and straight and gives me the support I like.
- 1:25:06SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 1:25:08SPEAKER_00: Is it a bad thing to pray for, quote,
- 1:25:11SPEAKER_00: in order to help more sentient beings,
- 1:25:13SPEAKER_00: I wish to achieve worldly successes when doing Zambala
- 1:25:18SPEAKER_00: or Dharma protector practices?
- 1:25:22SPEAKER_01: Now go ahead,
- 1:25:23SPEAKER_01: just make sure you arise bodhicitta and take
- 1:25:26SPEAKER_00: refuge first and dedicate the merits
- 1:25:29SPEAKER_00: after.
- 1:25:32SPEAKER_01: I and all others is your phrase.
- 1:25:36SPEAKER_01: Don't like grab the I in order that I and all others
- 1:25:45SPEAKER_01: may attain worldly success
- 1:25:48SPEAKER_01: in order to be of benefit to each other in a better way.
- 1:25:53SPEAKER_01: I will do this practice.
- 1:25:57SPEAKER_01: Like that.
- 1:25:59SPEAKER_01: It'll work better for you.
- 1:26:05SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 1:26:05SPEAKER_00: And comment about Chandatuku's wife.
- 1:26:08SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 1:26:09SPEAKER_00: She's known as Chandakhandro.
- 1:26:11SPEAKER_01: Chandakhandro, there we go.
- 1:26:13SPEAKER_00: She's a teacher at RIGPA, sometimes in Oregon, but people can contact the RIGPA organization.
- 1:26:20SPEAKER_01: Okay, and you might find her that way.
- 1:26:22SPEAKER_01: And I hear her poet teachings are excellent.
- 1:26:33SPEAKER_01: It's like for Chud, I tend to send people to Sultra Malioni if they can afford it.
- 1:26:43SPEAKER_00: Can you talk about the state of Rochic?
- 1:26:48SPEAKER_00: Okay.
- 1:26:48SPEAKER_00: A few more details about that.
- 1:26:51SPEAKER_01: So in Mahamudra, Rochik comes after Laktong.
- 1:26:58SPEAKER_01: Laktong is direct seeing, sometimes translated as Vipassana.
- 1:27:05SPEAKER_01: In Dzogchen, Rochik is an aspect of Treksha.
- 1:27:11SPEAKER_01: Rochik is where you start walking through walls and floating occasionally.
- 1:27:18SPEAKER_01: Cities come and go.
- 1:27:20SPEAKER_01: Eventually they stick, some of them, whatever.
- 1:27:26SPEAKER_01: But by the time that happens, it's not happening to anyone.
- 1:27:32SPEAKER_01: Rocheek is the realization that outer phenomena,
- 1:27:39SPEAKER_01: the stuff,
- 1:27:45SPEAKER_01: and the one who perceives the stuff,
- 1:27:51SPEAKER_01: And the act of perceiving the stuff
- 1:27:57SPEAKER_01: are not in the least bit separate.
- 1:28:00SPEAKER_00: They are exactly the same thing.
- 1:28:03SPEAKER_01: The perception creates the perceiver, and the perceiver creates the perception.
- 1:28:20SPEAKER_00: It sank.
- 1:28:22SPEAKER_01: It's in here.
- 1:28:30SPEAKER_01: This is a pair of mirrors currently reflecting the tripod,
- 1:28:37SPEAKER_01: the video, the window across the room.
- 1:28:48SPEAKER_01: What are they reflecting now?
- 1:28:55SPEAKER_01: Can you see?
- 1:28:59SPEAKER_01: The outside reflects the inside reflects the outside.
- 1:29:06SPEAKER_01: Continuous creation of the pattern of karma rolling through time, holding time and space open.
- 1:29:25SPEAKER_01: There is not a me and a you.
- 1:29:32SPEAKER_01: What you perceive as me, you're making up.
- 1:29:38SPEAKER_01: But it's changing you in this very moment,
- 1:29:41SPEAKER_01: in this middle of this interaction,
- 1:29:42SPEAKER_01: giving you new ideas, things to think about, pointing and pointing.
- 1:29:49SPEAKER_01: You are being created anew in each moment.
- 1:29:53SPEAKER_01: Buy this me you're making up.
- 1:29:58SPEAKER_01: And not only that, but all this else as well.
- 1:30:10SPEAKER_01: One taste refers to the perceiver, the perception, and the perceived, the stuff.
- 1:30:24SPEAKER_01: As having exactly the same flavor,
- 1:30:29SPEAKER_00: water into water.
- 1:30:35SPEAKER_01: This will result from
- 1:30:42SPEAKER_01: directly perceiving the nature of mind and turning around
- 1:30:47SPEAKER_01: and looking at who
- 1:30:52SPEAKER_00: perceives it.
- 1:31:02SPEAKER_01: So you start working on directly perceiving the nature of mind again and again
- 1:31:10SPEAKER_01: until it's easy,
- 1:31:12SPEAKER_01: until it's,
- 1:31:12SPEAKER_01: and of course,
- 1:31:14SPEAKER_01: until the innate stability of that is absolutely apparent
- 1:31:20SPEAKER_01: to the perceiver.
- 1:31:23SPEAKER_01: By which time the perceiver is that, of course, it always was, whatever it perceived.
- 1:31:29SPEAKER_01: So when you turn around and look at the perceiver, you see the perception.
- 1:31:35SPEAKER_01: And there you aren't.
- 1:31:41SPEAKER_01: One taste.
- 1:31:44SPEAKER_01: The symbol is the Kapala.
- 1:31:49SPEAKER_00: I don't know where I put it.
- 1:31:53SPEAKER_01: I think it's in the bedroom.
- 1:31:56SPEAKER_00: Next question.
- 1:31:58SPEAKER_00: Patro Rinpoche's biography mentions how he snaps his fingers so the deities
- 1:32:04SPEAKER_00: in his body disperse before he dies.
- 1:32:07SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
- 1:32:12SPEAKER_01: He's talking in symbols, of course, because it's the only way you can talk.
- 1:32:19SPEAKER_01: There are shapes in the channels.
- 1:32:28SPEAKER_01: Even those words are symbols.
- 1:32:32SPEAKER_01: Those shapes may be interpreted as the Tibetan pantheon of archetypes.
- 1:32:43SPEAKER_01: There are, dammit, I can never get the numbers right.
- 1:32:48SPEAKER_01: 48 and 52, or is it 62?
- 1:32:55SPEAKER_01: Anyway, the fierce ones are in the channels that nexus in the brain.
- 1:33:04SPEAKER_01: And the peaceful ones are in the channels that nexus in the heart.
- 1:33:11SPEAKER_01: As your chi at the time of death withdraws from the channels
- 1:33:22SPEAKER_01: into
- 1:33:22SPEAKER_01: the central channel, which it's going to do,
- 1:33:30SPEAKER_01: The sensation of the Chi moving past these
- 1:33:36SPEAKER_01: intrinsic shapes
- 1:33:41SPEAKER_01: will be perceived
- 1:33:43SPEAKER_01: as these archetypes, peaceful and wrathful.
- 1:33:55SPEAKER_01: If
- 1:33:58SPEAKER_01: You bring the chi smoothly into the central channel.
- 1:34:04SPEAKER_01: While the heat rises and melting,
- 1:34:08SPEAKER_01: the coolth comes down,
- 1:34:12SPEAKER_01: the moon drops come down to encapsulate in the red and white of the heart.
- 1:34:18SPEAKER_01: If you are conscious enough at the point where that reopens,
- 1:34:24SPEAKER_01: If your channels are just in the right condition,
- 1:34:27SPEAKER_01: you go back out all of them, blowing them out to infinity, and that's Rainbow Body.
- 1:34:36SPEAKER_01: Now, I think what he's talking about,
- 1:34:41SPEAKER_01: and I'd really have to ask him to know for sure,
- 1:34:47SPEAKER_01: Is a matter of a method he has symbolically that smooths the channels,
- 1:34:55SPEAKER_01: which will make it easier for him to recognize the apparitions in the bardo.
- 1:35:02SPEAKER_01: But that's a guess.
- 1:35:04SPEAKER_01: One Lama trying to explain what a Lama meant,
- 1:35:07SPEAKER_01: another Lama meant by their symbolic rendition
- 1:35:11SPEAKER_00: is not necessarily
- 1:35:14SPEAKER_00: a hundred percent accurate.
- 1:35:19SPEAKER_01: So I was guessing what he might have meant by that,
- 1:35:22SPEAKER_01: explaining the patterns culturally that are known that that might be a riff off of.
- 1:35:31SPEAKER_01: And that's the best answer I can give you.
- 1:35:36SPEAKER_00: How is the pure perception of Vajrayana compatible with knowing exactly the faults
- 1:35:43SPEAKER_00: of a student in order to correct and help him or her overcome them?
- 1:35:48SPEAKER_01: It's not the faults of a student that are important to notice.
- 1:35:51SPEAKER_01: It's their Buddha nature.
- 1:35:55SPEAKER_01: Sometimes if they present to you with their channels in a snarl,
- 1:36:01SPEAKER_01: you can say, you know, you'd better comb that out, which is giving them a method.
- 1:36:07SPEAKER_01: But in general,
- 1:36:08SPEAKER_01: as long as the teacher is focused on the student's Buddha nature,
- 1:36:13SPEAKER_01: rather than their hangups, the student's attention will follow the teacher there.
- 1:36:19SPEAKER_01: And slowly over time release those hangups.
- 1:36:26SPEAKER_01: Today's little glitches are the terrors and playground fights of a three-year-old.
- 1:36:35SPEAKER_01: For all of us.
- 1:36:36SPEAKER_01: Really not worth focusing on.
- 1:36:41SPEAKER_01: It's your Buddha nature that needs to be focused on.
- 1:36:45SPEAKER_01: By both of us.
- 1:36:51SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 1:36:52SPEAKER_00: I've been following Lama Tasha's yoga and feeling nyams of bliss and sensation.
- 1:36:59SPEAKER_00: Can you advise how to integrate this to avoid attachment?
- 1:37:04SPEAKER_01: Don't grab it.
- 1:37:06SPEAKER_01: It's just a nyam.
- 1:37:07SPEAKER_01: Treat it like any nyam.
- 1:37:14SPEAKER_01: It comes, it goes.
- 1:37:16SPEAKER_01: The Japanese Zen word for nyams is comes and goes.
- 1:37:21SPEAKER_01: Because they do.
- 1:37:23SPEAKER_01: If you like and you have the training and the nyam is stuck,
- 1:37:30SPEAKER_01: you can hit it with pet and look behind it.
- 1:37:33SPEAKER_01: Or you can repeat verbal prayers to your root guru to bless your mind and carry you past it.
- 1:37:43SPEAKER_01: These are two methods for unsticking a stuck nyam.
- 1:37:48SPEAKER_01: However, if it's just passing through, leave it be.
- 1:37:53SPEAKER_01: It'll go.
- 1:37:57SPEAKER_00: Next.
- 1:37:59SPEAKER_00: Can you tell us the first time you recognized your nature with your teacher?
- 1:38:05SPEAKER_00: Oh, I already did that today.
- 1:38:10SPEAKER_01: I looked up at a clear sky one day.
- 1:38:12SPEAKER_01: I think we were sitting on his terrace.
- 1:38:14SPEAKER_01: He might have been cooking something.
- 1:38:15SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
- 1:38:20SPEAKER_01: And he said, have you noticed the sky is not blown about by the wind?
- 1:38:37SPEAKER_01: One more.
- 1:38:38SPEAKER_00: Okay.
- 1:38:40SPEAKER_00: What are the subtle obscurations which are said to,
- 1:38:44SPEAKER_00: quote, steal treksha meditation because they remain unseen by the yogi?
- 1:38:53SPEAKER_00: Treksha Meditation.
- 1:38:58SPEAKER_01: Doing Treksha Meditation is a subtle obscuration.
- 1:39:03SPEAKER_01: You'll need to get over that.
- 1:39:05SPEAKER_01: And you'll think it's real.
- 1:39:07SPEAKER_01: The subtle obscurations are almost
- 1:39:13SPEAKER_01: realizations, nyams of realizations.
- 1:39:18SPEAKER_01: The idea of meditation,
- 1:39:20SPEAKER_01: the idea of progress,
- 1:39:22SPEAKER_01: the idea of accomplishing something, the idea of having gotten somewhere with it.
- 1:39:30SPEAKER_01: Oops.
- 1:39:33SPEAKER_01: Those.
- 1:39:38SPEAKER_01: You'll just keep walking without hope or fear of getting somewhere or away from something.
- 1:39:50SPEAKER_01: One foot in front of the other because it's a habit.
- 1:39:54SPEAKER_01: And why not?
- 1:39:59SPEAKER_01: Realizations come and go.
- 1:40:01SPEAKER_01: Never grab them.
- 1:40:02SPEAKER_01: Don't shove them away.
- 1:40:04SPEAKER_01: Leave them alone.
- 1:40:06SPEAKER_01: Meditation occurs or not.
- 1:40:11SPEAKER_01: Leave it alone.
- 1:40:14SPEAKER_00: Let it be.
- 1:40:25SPEAKER_01: Once we're to this point,
- 1:40:34SPEAKER_01: fish out text.
- 1:40:49SPEAKER_01: There's a really good text on this.
- 1:40:51SPEAKER_01: It's actually born.
- 1:40:52SPEAKER_01: It's the cuckoo of awareness.
- 1:40:55SPEAKER_01: They're the Cuckoo's song.
- 1:41:03SPEAKER_01: I need these more and more these days.
- 1:41:14SPEAKER_01: Pal Gipal.
- 1:41:18SPEAKER_01: Pinnacle of pinnacles, peak of peaks.
- 1:41:25SPEAKER_01: Homage to the Buddha Primordial.
- 1:41:35SPEAKER_01: To the body, speech, and mind.
- 1:41:37SPEAKER_01: Of great bliss I prostrate.
- 1:41:56SPEAKER_01: To the Admantine heart of great bliss.
- 1:42:02SPEAKER_01: Unshakeable, I prostrate.
- 1:42:07SPEAKER_01: Nau tzok rang xin.
- 1:42:10SPEAKER_01: Ni zhi chang?
- 1:42:12SPEAKER_01: The intrinsic nature of variety is non-dual.
- 1:42:20SPEAKER_01: But, ca sha nitro.
- 1:42:27SPEAKER_01: Nidutro, Dangtral.
- 1:42:32SPEAKER_01: Things aren't this and that.
- 1:42:36SPEAKER_01: Particularity is utterly free from complexity.
- 1:42:49SPEAKER_01: Look, all of it.
- 1:42:52SPEAKER_01: Variety is utterly non-dual.
- 1:42:58SPEAKER_01: See the interrelation, interconnectivity.
- 1:43:06SPEAKER_01: But notice that that in itself, that non-duality is utterly simple and free from complexity.
- 1:43:17SPEAKER_01: The words tangle, let them go.
- 1:43:19SPEAKER_01: Go on, let go.
- 1:43:25SPEAKER_01: Suchness is non-conceptual but.
- 1:43:30SPEAKER_01: Primordial Buddha is inherent in the knowing,
- 1:43:38SPEAKER_01: is apparent in all forms.
- 1:43:53SPEAKER_01: Jinpa Tsulwe Nangwanti.
- 1:43:59SPEAKER_01: Having abandoned the Mali's of striving, since one already has it and always has.
- 1:44:12SPEAKER_01: Lungi Nipajakpai Ing.
- 1:44:21SPEAKER_01: Through being here and now, spontaneously without attempting it, leave it exactly as it is.
- 1:44:31SPEAKER_01: No thing.
- 1:44:32SPEAKER_01: Moo.
- 1:44:40SPEAKER_01: Since what holds you tight to existence as an entity,
- 1:44:45SPEAKER_01: the illusion of existence as an entity,
- 1:44:48SPEAKER_01: Is your hopes and fears, your striving for this and fleeing from that.
- 1:44:57SPEAKER_01: You cannot possibly become free on purpose.
- 1:45:04SPEAKER_01: So what we do, all of our practices is simply to create the karma for the happy accident.
- 1:45:21SPEAKER_01: You can't get there by running at it.
- 1:45:26SPEAKER_01: You can't get there by running away from it.
- 1:45:29SPEAKER_01: You can't get there by refusing to run at it.
- 1:45:33SPEAKER_01: You can't get there by refusing to run away.
- 1:45:39SPEAKER_01: Doing and not doing.
- 1:45:44SPEAKER_01: These are your subtle obscurations.
- 1:45:49SPEAKER_01: Of a yogi.
- 1:45:54SPEAKER_01: Ah, give me one more.
- 1:45:57SPEAKER_00: Just a moment.
- 1:45:57SPEAKER_00: Let me.
- 1:46:00SPEAKER_00: Ah, yes.
- 1:46:02SPEAKER_00: Does Dewa Chen exist as a real place we might go to after the body dies?
- 1:46:08SPEAKER_00: Or is it an archetype place?
- 1:46:12SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 1:46:15SPEAKER_01: It exists as a real place as well.
- 1:46:20SPEAKER_01: It exists as a place as real as this one.
- 1:46:27SPEAKER_01: No more, no less.
- 1:46:38SPEAKER_01: No, I think we are done for today.
- 1:46:48SPEAKER_01: Whatever your practice is, practice.
- 1:46:56SPEAKER_01: By practicing,
- 1:47:03SPEAKER_01: you will
- 1:47:08SPEAKER_01: create the cause, the karmic pattern.
- 1:47:16SPEAKER_01: That is actualized in all beings arising as all Buddhas.
- 1:47:28SPEAKER_01: Keep practicing.
- 1:47:47SPEAKER_01: Chi Chi Sala
- 1:47:54SPEAKER_01: Goparshu
- 1:48:02SPEAKER_01: This here Gewa that has been created by our interaction today,
- 1:48:08SPEAKER_01: just as all those who have walked before me,
- 1:48:12SPEAKER_01: all those who have walked After me,
- 1:48:15SPEAKER_01: all those who walk with me have, will have, are doing.
- 1:48:24SPEAKER_01: I offer to the benefit of all life.
- 1:48:33SPEAKER_01: So be it.
- 1:48:35SPEAKER_01: For those of you who enjoy practicing with others,
- 1:48:40SPEAKER_01: we have a number of group practices available to you.
- 1:48:45SPEAKER_01: Check the details of the schedule on the website,
- 1:48:48SPEAKER_01: but we have 21 Taras for those who have problems.
- 1:48:56SPEAKER_01: Physical problems, financial problems, psychological problems.
- 1:49:00SPEAKER_01: She's really good for those.
- 1:49:03SPEAKER_01: We have Chenrezig for those who need more love and more light in their life.
- 1:49:17SPEAKER_01: What else have we got up there?
- 1:49:19SPEAKER_01: I know that's not all we have.
- 1:49:20SPEAKER_01: Working with Emotions,
- 1:49:21SPEAKER_01: but that's for those who have taken that retreat,
- 1:49:25SPEAKER_01: done the retreat,
- 1:49:26SPEAKER_01: and want to continue to practice with others witnessing their practice.
- 1:49:31SPEAKER_00: Refuge, which people have asked about.
- 1:49:35SPEAKER_00: Intermine Ruchenne.
- 1:49:36SPEAKER_01: No, no, I'm talking about our daily, our weekly, led by student things.
- 1:49:41SPEAKER_01: Oh, those, yes.
- 1:49:42SPEAKER_00: Chin-raising practice.
- 1:49:45SPEAKER_01: Oh, we've got Vajrasattva up now.
- 1:49:49SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 1:49:50SPEAKER_01: Yes, for those who think they have glitches that need removal, Vajrasattva.
- 1:49:57SPEAKER_01: For those who think they have problems and need to solve them, Tara.
- 1:50:04SPEAKER_01: For those who want more love and light in their life, Chenrezig.
- 1:50:09SPEAKER_01: What else is up there?
- 1:50:10SPEAKER_00: For the dailies?
- 1:50:11SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not the dailies.
- 1:50:13SPEAKER_01: Each one's on a weekly day.
- 1:50:15SPEAKER_00: Well, there's Vajrasattva and then there's also the Vajrayoga, which we mentioned earlier.
- 1:50:19SPEAKER_01: There's the Vajrayoga for those of you who need or who like to do physical aspects.
- 1:50:28SPEAKER_00: Let's see, Emotions, Treksha, Chin Raising.
- 1:50:33SPEAKER_01: We have Treksha for those of you who like to actually sit and meditate together.
- 1:50:38SPEAKER_01: These are all groups that happen during the week at different times
- 1:50:43SPEAKER_01: with different students leading them.
- 1:50:45SPEAKER_01: And coming soon,
- 1:50:47SPEAKER_01: we hope to have Sutrayana,
- 1:50:50SPEAKER_01: which will be more of a discussion group,
- 1:50:52SPEAKER_01: sort of a book club kind of thing for talking people.
- 1:50:56SPEAKER_01: It will have a lot of words in it.
- 1:50:58SPEAKER_01: Not all of these do.
- 1:51:00SPEAKER_01: Some of these have more words than others.
- 1:51:02SPEAKER_01: The Treksha group doesn't have many words in it at all.
- 1:51:08SPEAKER_01: The Tantra group,
- 1:51:09SPEAKER_01: such as Chenrezig and Tara and Vajrasattva,
- 1:51:17SPEAKER_01: there's a few words and it's a guided meditation, guiding you through the sadhana.
- 1:51:25SPEAKER_01: And if you want,
- 1:51:27SPEAKER_01: you can listen to the recordings with the full lung,
- 1:51:31SPEAKER_01: which are also up on the website and available.
- 1:51:36SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what we have going for the next couple of weeks.
- 1:51:39SPEAKER_00: Do you see anything else on there?
- 1:51:42SPEAKER_00: In terms of either the Thursday sessions or more like weekend sessions?
- 1:51:46SPEAKER_01: What's on this coming Thursday?
- 1:51:48SPEAKER_00: This coming Thursday...
- 1:51:52SPEAKER_00: Let's see, that's actually, no, that's actually a private session.
- 1:51:56SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay, not this Thursday.
- 1:51:58SPEAKER_00: No, but following on the 22nd will be Mahamudra,
- 1:52:02SPEAKER_00: and the Thursday following will be Nundra Prostrations.
- 1:52:08SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we, oh, we have ongoing Nundra classes.
- 1:52:11SPEAKER_01: We don't have a practice group for doing it together.
- 1:52:14SPEAKER_01: That, people are all over in where they are and how much they're doing.
- 1:52:19SPEAKER_01: So that was not Seemingly the best idea,
- 1:52:24SPEAKER_01: but we are continuing on with Nundro for those people doing it,
- 1:52:28SPEAKER_01: and you can join if you wish to do Nundro.
- 1:52:31SPEAKER_01: I don't make you do Nundro.
- 1:52:34SPEAKER_01: It's entirely up to you if you wish to do Nundro.
- 1:52:38SPEAKER_01: There are some circumstances in which I advise doing Nundro,
- 1:52:43SPEAKER_01: and there are some circumstances in which I do not advise doing Nundro.
- 1:52:50SPEAKER_01: So you get to choose.
- 1:52:53SPEAKER_01: Those are extreme circumstances.
- 1:52:55SPEAKER_01: Generally, most of you fall in the middle, and you're welcome to do it if you want to.
- 1:52:59SPEAKER_01: Some people like to.
- 1:53:01SPEAKER_01: Some people don't.
- 1:53:03SPEAKER_01: So that's what's going.
- 1:53:05SPEAKER_01: I'm going to, I think, take next weekend off.
- 1:53:07SPEAKER_01: Next weekend's not scheduled.
- 1:53:09SPEAKER_01: I need a little time off, so I'm going to take next weekend off and do some other things.
- 1:53:15SPEAKER_01: But I'll continue the Thursday classes.
- 1:53:18SPEAKER_01: And I'll see you all in a couple of weeks.
- 1:53:24SPEAKER_01: Bye.
- 1:53:26SPEAKER_01: Oh, and do offer Donna to your translators if you enjoyed this and you heard it in
- 1:53:33SPEAKER_01: a language other than English.
- 1:53:35SPEAKER_01: Your translators got to eat too.
- 1:53:37SPEAKER_01: You want to encourage them to keep doing this so you can keep hearing it.
- 1:53:41SPEAKER_01: So offer them some Donna.
- 1:53:44SPEAKER_01: It's on the Donna page on the website.
- 1:53:48SPEAKER_01: Okay?
- 1:53:51SPEAKER_01: Bye-bye.
- 1:53:52SPEAKER_01: I'll see you next time.
- 1:53:55SPEAKER_01: You can turn it.