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Music for Your Bones, Brain, and Beyond with Jill Mattson · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bridges and Beacons podcast.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Kelly Meyerson.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: And today I'm delighted to bring back one of my former guests who was here back in April 2025.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll link that episode in the show notes because once she was here, she blew my mind with information about ancient wisdom and how it connects to modern science.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: We have so much we'd love to cover in this conversation, and we're we're mindful of how much time you, listener, have to dedicate to this.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we want to give you some depth and some meaning.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to jump right into it.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Jill Matson, I would love to welcome you back to the show, and I'm so glad that you're here.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Excited and honored to talk to all the listeners and to share how powerful and accessible, accurate, and repeatable and affordable is sound and sound human.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that's so important, Jill, because now more than ever, I believe we're we're on this journey as human beings and a species, and understanding that there is a lot that we can do ourselves to heal ourselves.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: And the the past model or concurrent model of there's a specialist out there, somebody who is going to heal me, is becoming less resonant with so many of us.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: I can say specifically for myself, a lot of the healers and helpers that I've got this idea that we can become an expert in our own healing and reference other knowledgeable people like yourself who have just deeply dived into some of these topics, but that the accessibility to heal is so close to us.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And in this digital age, we can say a lot of negative things about the digital age.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: However, it certainly does provide the opportunity for us to have access to people and to techniques that we didn't used to have so much accessibility to.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: We would have had to, I don't know, hear about you in a geographic or touch something in a local newspaper to find you.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel so blessed that this is the time that we're living in.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: So last time we explored foundations of sound healing.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: Today we're gonna go a little bit more into the science and spirit of sound.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I would love for us to start with you sharing with us about how sound can be healing.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: Having every frequency in your body, about one of one of the possible 10,000, an equal volume is held.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: So think of yourself like white light when you're healthy.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: You have a beautiful rainbow of things within.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you can transpose that rainbow into sounds.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: And with technology now, you can look at everybody's body and see what they're missing and provide it.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: You can also see what in general, um, what challenges we have just as individuals walking on this earth.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: For example, the air is um, you have wildfires, and then you breathe in all kinds of bad stuff.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: You walk on the lawn and you got lawn chemicals that are poison.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: You have a sandwich, it's full of processed foods.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe the oil's old and it tricks your body into inflammation.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you have stress like all the time, most people do, and then your body can't repair, can't sleep, can't repair.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: So the food we eat, the air we breathe, everything around us, our natural body, our aging processes, we have like an onslaught of issues at us.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I've developed some music that tune the underlying blueprints of health.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: For example, if you go into the brain, I have maybe a CD with maybe 50, 60 different brain chemicals.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: So traditionally with sound healing, they give you a frequency and they usually use the sound generator on a computer.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're free.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: And computer manufacturers don't really care if they're accurate.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do you care if your A is a 440 or 441?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly not.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: So again, I'm very careful to do outside sound generators because the body's accurate.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: But then, how to put it next step?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's say the brain, I get into the chemistry.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: So rather than one frequency that you can receive and have actually too much of, no matter which one it is.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because remember, all health is equal amounts of all frequencies.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Some frequencies are more special than others, in that they're part of maybe the sounds we hear a lot in nature and we have involved with, like the sound of the Schumann resonance, the frequency of the earth, is really good.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: So there's some that are maybe more like access points that are good to have some more than others, but we never want to have a lot of this and none of that.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: That is lack of health.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: And for a prolonged period of time, you'll see it.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: So what I've done, like maybe we could start with some detox music collection, your organs detox, and now this isn't even environmental stuff, this is stuff your own body makes.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you have toxins that your body produces as a byproduct, and your body has methods of cleaning it up, the liver, and more.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you can tune those things, they have frequency, and then you can go into circulation.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Another problem with detox is that you know, inflammation or scabs or scar tissue or the blocking, the flow, even on the nerves, on the on odd things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then we have a binder in our body which attaches to those toxins.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: Another thing you can add in frequency.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then the methylation, it's a it's a process in the body for includes eliminating toxins and gut health.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: And this is all for the brain.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so you can get in and tune up situations that are stressed for all of us.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I do that on all of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bones, joints, tendons, ligaments.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Most people I know beginning to age, you know, 40s, 50s and up, they they hurt.
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  SPEAKER_01: And those issues are a problem.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I do have music in which I go in and let's say tune the muscles, and that works.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: But this approach right here is a little bit different.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going in and I'm tuning the body to rebuild it.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like we're putting in the frequencies to have a manufacturer of something that's healthy so that it lasts long.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the tuning is more pervasive, it helps more than just the issue at hand.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I I guess in essence, I'm I'm going into body chemistry, recreating it we sound.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I love this so much, Jill.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it sounds like there are many different frequencies for different functions in the body.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: When you're talking about the brain, it's not just the brain because our nervous system extends throughout our entire body.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just about the signals that happen electrically through your body, but it's also about the neurochemistry and when you bring on the organs that your body naturally creates things that need to be washed out.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, like for example, when you're sleeping at night, part of what your cerebrospinal fluid is doing is wash on your brain, it's happening in your body as well.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I'm understanding from you is that we we can use different frequencies for different functions.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd also like to highlight what you said about it's not really just about, okay, you need to listen to this one frequency.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's more so the balance is important because if we're focusing on something too high, then we're creating an enhancement in something that is not meant to be that way.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like that to me reminds me of the scientific term of homeostasis of really kind of keeping that very fine balance and harmony between the different functions of our body.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I will say that right now I feel like the sympathetic nervous system is getting a really hard time from the world.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody wants their nervous system to be regulated.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of time we that that gets talked about in the sense that, you know, we want to get out of that sympathetic nervous system.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to be in fight or flow with all the time.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want it all the time, unless the parasympathetic function is super important.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel this is I'm a practicing occupational therapist in my background and skill set is sensory processing.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so the understanding that our nervous system has to have that one-in-one of sympathetic and parasympathetic, and it's not that sympathetic is all bad or that parasympathetic is all good, because we can also get stuck there and have zero get up and go, but we need to have a nice balance there, and it sounds like there is almost that energetic balance in our brain, our muscles and joints, our different organs, so that we're processing the toxins that are natural and we're taking them in and continuing to function in that homeostasis state.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Is that is that did I understand it?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, very much so.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I got a couple processes going on in these three different sets of late of my latest music.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Another one, well, just one other thing.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say also when you can give people the frequencies of nutrients.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: If I play the frequencies of, let's say, niacin, your face washes, just like you took a pill.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you don't, you're low on vitamin C, I can check every frequency in your body, play you the frequency of vitamin C, recheck your body and see that your levels have raised.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: So when you take nutrients, you often need them in pairs.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: So like one activates the other.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say, you know, you don't you can take a vitamin D, but sometimes if you don't have a complementary mineral, you don't utilize it.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um also there's that's another reason why I put in complementary and like activators, you know, proteins, genes, activators, and so forth, and do it in frequencies.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: But then I have another exciting method that I've used here.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I read a book by a lovely Canadian woman, Carolyn McCaffin, and she is a chiropractor and found a frequency machine, and I don't think she knows the history of it, but nonetheless, it was from about 1910.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: And when you look to the United States, at about 1910, the American Medical Association basically said that homeopathy, frequency, I think nutrition, maybe exercise, that these are off the plate for physicians, and that those people using them or advising people to do that would lose a license.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: And Finema, the US government went in and confiscated all the machines.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think people know about Royal Rice Machine, who had a technology in which he could amplify and see living blood.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: We do that every day now to healthfare.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can go see your blood, which like little jellyfish and it moved.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that was a little bit before their time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he was able to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he would look at cancer cells, and with their movement and timing, could come up with the frequency.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then he'd go like one, let's say it's 800 cycles per second, one over 800.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's the clock.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: You're not for cancer, but for that person's cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, very specific.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the right machine has thousands of frequencies, and they're like anti-this, anti-that, kill your virus, kill your, kill this, kill that.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, I think the public is not aware that there was a whole pile of frequency machines and different approaches.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this Carolyn, thank you, thank you, but anyway, she found one of these machines with a different approach and started testing it on her patients.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Career later, she has over 100,000 case studies proving, verifying that this method of tuning is curing all kinds of things, or these machines, like fibromyalgia, what's the one where you sleep all the time?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: And there's just this whole host of things that it gets at.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it approaches health differently.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: And its approach is that we're overloaded with toxins, as we talked earlier.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what the toxins do, like it gives inflammation.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, what's inflammation?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: I cut my finger, and then my body rushes to it, it opens the blood, you get more immune cells in there.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: It could get pushy because it's trying to heal, it could get red, it could get hot, it could get painful, and it's gonna swell a while until the body heals.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: But it's kind of like autoimmune.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: We have all these things causing the inflammation response, our nerves.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: You don't think about that, but you know, your your veins, your artery, but also your organs, your everything.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even your fat, I mean, everything.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so what they felt was that you need to have a signal to tell the body to to to turn off the inflammation so it has a chance to repair.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they had uh frequency for all kinds of stuff like that.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I just did one like on inflammation.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so what you would do is you would take the frequency to tell something to stop the inflamed response and tag it with the frequency of something in your body, like a GPS.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then you take the two tones and you kind of combine them, and so they it's not like they come, they kind of like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, so they're kind of together, but they don't combine into one tone.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it takes one tone takes your body to a place, and and the second gives the signal.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: So in this methodology, which I'm using for inflammation and detox, you go like to 35 different places in your body and you clear the toxin, and then you can go in and start to allow the body to repair from the inflammation process.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Then you go in and they have a frequency to vibrate loose and get rid of scar tissue.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: That you're, you know, you start adding up 10 years here and there, and you have this constant buildup, all of a sudden it's blockage in your arteries, in your veins, in your nerves, in your muscles, everywhere.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: So they have frequencies to kind of get rid of that, and then this is 1910 language, increased secretions, which I I understand to mean improve circulation.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, I also have this process in the latest works for where I'm doing detox and inflammation.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: And again, it's like really good for everyone in that who doesn't have these problems.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I also looked at almost most of the major diseases, they're coming in from one of the major factors is inflammation and toxins.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I just I put something in and started searching on Google and I saw some ranges, anywhere from 30 to 60 percent of the people worldwide that die, the primary cause of is inflammation.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's just huge.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't know.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's my latest thing, going through and not just going after something like muscle tune, which I've done in the past and this is a great tool, but really starting approaching the body on really big levels to induce health in a in a in balance in a broad range of frequencies, you know, for the brain, which like you said, interacts with all the organs and everything else.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like if something in your lower gut goes south, that X section of the brain that communicates with it also has a problem.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the body's just so much more affected than we think.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I think what the listener is probably wondering now is how do you first identify what it is that your body really needs and what you're you're what you're struggling with?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then what is a good place to start?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: How do you begin to to identify and to then implement some of these frequencies for optimal health and healing?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I think this is so beautiful.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that your body is conscious, and I believe average and conscious is conscious.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it may not have free will or be able to communicate with you, but like if you really focus on, let's say, a cactus versus a flower, they feel very different, and that's their consciousness, their absence.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe that your body is conscious as well.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason why I say this is okay, when I look at my frequencies, I always need D.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: I need help, I need D.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: I find most of my friends are a D.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Go figure.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I'm liking them for these, these, and these, but my body is releasing endorphins.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: When I get the frequencies, I need to balance myself.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm a classical trained musician.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, if you play for me three Beethoven symphonies, same symphony, and I'm so well trained, very well trained.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I I will tell you which one I like best, and I'll tell you why.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes great sense.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: I get an A on my tape, but it's all crap, it's all crap because my body is releasing endorphins on the one that's good for me, and it's going to be pleasurable, and I'm going to find out why that one is working.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: So when you listen to this music, so you can go to my site, there's a lot of free stuff, but I think I have 18 CDs.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're talking about two that are on my website now, and we'll have some more coming up too.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I I believe the blissful mind and the back to the joints.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: And very soon I will have detox on it.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, I guess what I would feel which one feels bad, so just just use your intuition.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: But if you like the music, your body sings and then just play it and play it maybe like for once a month.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Another thing with sound.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: It maybe you need five or six hours for tissue.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like someone just listened to back to the joints, they wrote me and they listened for two hours and their sprain went away.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was rather remarkable.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I would have expected it to take longer.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: But then again, muscles and tissues are fairly soft, so they need less listening time.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: If something has been in your body, like if you've had a problem for a very long time, you need more listening to fix it.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: And if it's more solid, like if you break your bone, you can go to the you know, one of your bone doctors, they'll give you a tone that will help the healing time in half at least.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to you have to listen a lot because the denser it is, the more energy you need to change it.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: So so you when you pick one of these music, you might want to listen to it for three, six months.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: As long as you like it, your body's yeah, yeah, I need that, I need that.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then as soon as the song gets tiresome, you just pull that one song off your playlist.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's really interesting because I think about How people tend to gravitate towards different types of music.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I wonder if some of that is how helpful the frequency is for them.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: And also like genres have different similar sounds.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we can recognize reggae from rock and roll.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's not just the frequencies that you might need at this time.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Rhythms, intervals, tuning, instrumentation.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all these things affect you differently.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Perhaps your past life.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say you're coming in and you want to do a lot of release.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe you're gonna like heavy metal and grunge, and all that negativity comes in and it vibrates your own negativity.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if you have intent, you can release it.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't, let's say, because usually when people get, you know, abused or injured, they're they're thinking they're not at fault, and maybe they're 99% not at fault.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: But if you have an attitude like, oh, I didn't deserve this, or you already learn a lesson, or you know, there's many ways of thinking that buy yourself with it.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: But you get a chance to release a lot of pain from a lot of lies.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say if you're attracted to a genre that does that does that.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say every kind of music has a purpose.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean you still have to choose, you still have free will.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I'm agreeing with you on a deeper level, even the yeah, and maybe this is a little diversion and we can get ourselves back on track, but it just makes me curious.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, how much does conditioning come into play?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think about uh when I was a kid, my parents listened to a lot of classic rock, like from the the 70s.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: And when I hear that music, it's like very like soothing and brings back like very safe, happy childhood feelings.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like it's less remembering lyrics and more remembering the feeling of you know being safe at home and mornings and having a nutritious breakfast, and you know, the music was playing in the background, and it completely takes me back.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it's more the melodies than it is the the lyrics of the song.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm coming out with a new book then called Music of Time, and I'm talking about that right dead on.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things that I present is that sound is like a carrier weight, like a choo-choo train, and then it has passengers.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I can say hello, hello, you know, main is not close.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're very separate meanings, and we're all aware of how emotions and sound combine, but intent and sound combine.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, like in my music, I have prayer tracks and I I'm a channeler, so I bring in very high accent because that records and delivers to people, and you always have free choice, but it's all my music is very high energy because sounds a carrier weight, and so I think like sound that we heard when we were young is more like a portal, and that you know, time as we ancient say is a spiral and things resonate, they resonate throughout time, and as we go through the spiral of time, sometimes we're closer to issues like anniversaries, you know, when someone died, we feel closer to them.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because maybe in the time spiral, they are closer to us at that time, and so I think you'll find that people link to their youth.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's the song, it's almost like it's recorded on time, and when you go back, you get the whole time.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, like think of 9-11.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Most people I know can tell me exactly where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like the event and the surroundings were imprinted.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so we can go back to that.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: And there was a study, couple studies in nursing homes.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: And one nursing home is just the same, and the other dresses like they were in their youth, and they hear the song of the youth, and they and it was just for for like seven days.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: So the nursing home that heard the music of their youth that they liked and they dressed up like their youth, it's amazing.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Their vision improved, their height, so they got a little higher, so their you know, their joints stood up, and they had about 10 or 12 different markers in their blood where there was improvement in their health from imagining and listening to the music that took them back in time to their youth.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't know whether maybe they're hooking up to a younger you or whether the music and the good feeling was imprinted on time or in your memory, but somehow or other, imagining your youth is very healthy physically.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm glad we took that diversion because I think number one, I'm excited to hear when your book comes out.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds really incredible.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the science behind that, I think about how many people, due to a lot of our modern science techniques and and healthier environments in terms of access to clean water and all of the things that we have in modern life.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people are living a lot longer than they maybe would have in the past, but it becomes a piece of how do they have a higher quality of living?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I know a lot of people associate nursing homes with being kind of the dead end and a very, you know, sad existence towards the end.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: And certainly that can be the case, but not always.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of really great places, but it makes me interested to wonder what potential there is for using the results of that study to improve the quality of life.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think about people who work in those settings, not maybe the the doctors and nurses and but maybe the therapists, like occupational therapists, music therapists, recreational therapists, like the people that are organizing activities can use some of that science to inform how they provide leisure and like sensory experiences for the older population.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like this is becoming a research study.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: You've got me really interested in this topic, Jill.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I think I'm gonna have to come back and visit that one.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Can I tell you a two, two, two-minute story?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: I played violin live and a nursing home for about a year.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I played very sad music.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know how when you're really sad and somebody's tipper, you want to slug them?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: So they did not want anything happy.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: And the violin's very good for crying.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, I played beautiful sad music for a year.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Within that time, I remember one time one guy pulled down.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's dead.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm I'm like hyperventilating.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: No one even looked.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't talk when they came in and that I played before they went to lunch.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I wasn't even them highlight, I was um pre-lunch entertainment, and they were all just kind of frozen.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so we played, if you will, we cried, and the music made them sorrowful, and I had intent for them to heal one hour once a week for a year.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of the year, they're all chatty taffy, and they were talking like normal people, you couldn't shut them up.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I realized how powerful sound is because they might not have had the intent to heal, but I did.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's on two CDs called Healing Flower Symphonies Volume 1 and 2, where I go through 12 different emotions.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: You and I play the dark side, and it it can make you feel a little uncomfortable, and it shakes it up so it freeze.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then I have the intent in the music, and it works even more if you have the intent to not hang on to your pain, and you can feel it pop right off the skin.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: And in that nursing home, we went from frozen to caffeine.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just listening to the allowing the pain to leave this energy field on strong.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, and now I'm thinking if we look generationally, the the people who are in the nursing home now, you know, baby boomers and and older, the conditioning that existed during their lifetimes really prevented them from experiencing their emotions, expressing them, seeking healing for them, a lot of like suppressed emotions.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm wondering how much of that really does get trapped in the body.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: And in their old age, they're sort of stuck with, you know, literally have all these stuck emotions.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: And when you opened the floodgates to start just with the emotion of sorrow, you know, I think about how it's like very conditioned that, you know, we don't we don't cry and release that.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm saying this from a very like American Western, central, you know, I'm not speaking globally because there are a lot of cultures for whom sorrow and expressing sorrow is a typical experience.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: But if we're looking specifically at a Western approach, especially if you go back generations, and I I'm a a generation Xer.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like we're sort of the start of like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna rage, I'm gonna share my emotion, I'm gonna go to therapy, I'm gonna express and experience all of this.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think now as I'm you know approaching my 50s, like really feeling into as we age, we don't have to suppress and hold on to so much.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: And we can heal past generations, whether it's our own line or just in our environment.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: But this makes me so excited for the potential of offering something so simple, right?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: With very little financial investment, you know, always have to think about that because a lot of these nursing homes don't have a huge budget.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: But hiring or even getting musicians who are playing my music, I've or just playing your music, Jill, which a lot of it, I mean, I should have said this at the top to everyone, but if you haven't experienced Jill's generosity yet, if you go to her YouTube channel, her website, sign up for her mailing list, she is so frequently giving a lot of her material away for free and access for free.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know during COVID, you you created an entire healing library for people.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I I think that can't be understated because I think that generosity makes such a big difference.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you for going on this sidetrack with me because I think this is a really important topic.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm wondering if there's a listener who's thinking to themselves, I work with the elderly, I have an elderly parent, I have a neighbor, I I want to take this and I want to just just even as an experiment, doesn't need to be a full research study, just show up and offer some music to someone in that age group or in a nursing home.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to kind of shift us a little bit because I I think we've covered a lot of really great topics and I'm mindful of our time.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I would love for you to just kind of caption everything for us today, pull it back together and give the listener maybe one, two, three steps to take if they've heard and they've resonated with what you had to say about how sound can be used for healing, and highlight some of the ways that they can connect with you to begin their own journey in using sound for their own specific healing needs.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: All righty.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I have 18 CDs at Jill's wingsoflight.com or JillMatson.com.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I have a couple free CDs, I think on both.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm come, I got two more to upload to my site.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in the process of it.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I guess I would say that you know, just start listening to music in the background.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Music has a purpose.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Even one of my books, I mean, your your home creates frequencies below your hearing range.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can rearrange everything to help your body get in tune.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I have classes on my website.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think I have about, I don't know, maybe 20, 25 on how to deal with sound different ways.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't sound tools.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: And if you scroll to the bottom of the sale page on Joe's wings of light, I have all kinds of pre-classes on how to learn to use them.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I guess in general, whoever taught us that music is entertainment had horns and a spiked tail because music can control us on every level.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it controls our physical body, our emotional, our spirit, how much light we have in the body, how much even our sensitivity and compassion towards nervous nature.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when when I have like I see these with all these nature frequencies and it's just connection.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um take healing, there's so many ways to feel.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: And when you're open to it, and when you focus on it, you get a stronger dosage.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're busy and don't have that kind of time, maybe listen twice as long.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it does it's nothing, no skin off your back to have it in the background.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: The volume doesn't need to be high, it's not necessarily you don't get a greater dosage from louder.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess let's say breathe in, breathe in breathe in the music and become it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, you are a music, you know, because we all have imbalances and so think of the imbalance like a string on a harp, you know, and we can play our songs.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: But music is not entertainment in in this manner, what I'm presenting is music to kind of reset, reharmonize to you to nature, tune you to body, to you to healthy organs, tune you to all kinds of things that are in your benefit.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and why not go for such benefit with so little effort?
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: I I think I love that, Jill, because like we said at the at the top of the episode, I think the accessibility is so there.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm also wondering if we could even start by just recognizing the music that we're drawn to in our lives, what we prefer to put on the radio or have when we're studying or listening, and what it is about that that resonates or the music that doesn't resonate, and get curious about that, you know.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think I think that for me personally, I'm just interested to see the music that's resonating with me.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is it is there a healing piece of the lost waste of time in which I uh start with even prehistory and legends of music, and what I find is that the music of the various cultures, their genres over thousands of years, reflect the personality of the civilization.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so as the tuning in style changes, so does the personality and so does the civilization.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: And as the tuning ends or a genre ends, you'll find a shift in the general population.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So to your point, what music you're allowing to tune you, is that the tuning you want?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you want to hang on to that through life and have nothing else, or you know, so maybe you like heavy metal and you're into a life where you're gonna do talk.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe after a while you're tired of that and you want to connect to nature, and you can do that with music.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe you know, maybe you want something else is your point.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: So think about who you want to be and then maybe select your music.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love this.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it takes it to a place of embodiment and alignment and really understanding who you're trying to be, where you're trying to get yourself to, and this could be another vehicle for that, as well as as a way to maintain perfect or better health throughout your lifespan.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Jill, I want to thank you for this because I think this conversation has been really meaningful.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I thank you for how accessible your work is and appreciate the amount of detail and years of research, experience, playing, and really embodying your music you've been invested in.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think these are such great ways for people to connect with you.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I also would love when your new book comes out, Music of Time, that you can share that and I'll drop it in the link.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: So if somebody is is grabbing this episode in the future and that book is out, the link will be there in the show notes, and you should certainly follow Jill so you'll know when that book is coming.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: I am personally very excited to read that.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to thank you, Jill.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, listener, for being here, for listening all the way to the end of the podcast.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: I hope that this has both inspired you for yourself or maybe inspired you to take music somewhere in your life to enhance relationships and other people's health and well being, because that's where we're doing the real meaningful work to serve and heal humanity.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you, Jill, for being here.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you all.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right, everyone.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Take care and we'll see you next time on the podcast.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.