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Ep 08 – A Conversation on Kink, Connection, and Community with Brad Jones of Meet Kinksters · The Kink Consultant

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It's the King Consultant podcast where we're turning up the heat
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on all things kink and dating, relationships and pop culture.
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So close the door, plug in your headphones, and let's get down
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to it. Hey everybody, and welcome to
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this week's episode of The King Consultant.
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I'm Amanda Dames, your host. And today I'm super excited to
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introduce Brad Jones, the founder of my favorite dating
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app at the moment. Meet Kingsters.
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Brad, welcome. Thanks, Amanda.
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I'm happy to be here. So excited to have you.
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So Brad and I met earlier this year.
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Was it late last year? I think we met earlier this
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year, we had an opportunity to actually meet in person, which
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was a lot of fun and we were swimming in very similar
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circles, trying to trying to help people for best lives and
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I. Think that's.
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Important in my motivation with me kingsters, really, at the end
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of the day. Yeah, so we were actually
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introduced through someone that neither of us have ever met in
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person. The funny Dom connected us.
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I think he contacted me and told me about the app and I was like,
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I really need to meet this guy. This is the first app I've heard
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of of its kind where it is strictly focused on Kingsters
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and it's actually got mass appeal, as in there are a lot of
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people on it already. So Brad, can you tell me how did
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you that started with the app? Yeah.
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So there's lots of businesses you could start, and starting a
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dating app is not the easiest one, I will tell you that.
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But it is a passion of love for me because I'm very, very
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passionate about the topic of helping people form
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relationships that are both romantically and sexually
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compatible. And I'm also trying to solve my
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own problem, right? I have, I'm in my 40s now and
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really throughout my 30s, I was able to find that I was
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discovering my personal sexual identity and what I wanted to
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share with partners. And there really wasn't anything
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on the market that allowed me to pursue both a sustainable, real
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deep relationship with someone and be able to communicate the
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sexual desires and component of a relationship that has lasting
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power upfront. And what I would have to do, and
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I think a lot of people who have the same problem have done is,
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you know, I would go on to pick your dating app and try to say
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in Telegraph with the right kinds of keywords and hints and
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suggestions that, you know, this is the kind of person, this is
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kind of relationship I'm looking for without coming across as
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creepy or too forward, right? Because a lot of apps in this
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space assume assume that you're just after a hookup and I'm not
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just after a hookup. I think most people after a
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certain point in life want a relationship that is deeper than
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just a hookup. And there really wasn't anything
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on the market like that. So me Kingsters, the premise is
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very simple. It's just to really meld those
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two parts of the adults dating experience.
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Sexual compatibility and and romantic compatibility provide
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that introduction and the rest of course is up to you.
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Thank you for all of that and I agree.
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I feel like what you really did was you took it to heart when
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they say if you want something done right, do it yourself.
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And then you went off and built an entire app.
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So did it work for you? Well, you know, it's funny, I I
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am in a relationship, but I was building the gangsters at the
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time. So we didn't meet on the app.
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But I really am passionate about empowering people to live their
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best lives. I think our life is too short to
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be in a relationship that isn't set up for success.
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There are so many things that are either out of your control
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or that you really can't control for upfront, right?
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Losing a job, kid problems, raising kids is hard.
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If you want kids, navigating your career, certainly post
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COVID, right? There's a lot of challenges
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around where to live. All of these kinds of things
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that you can't control for upfront.
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Life is unpredictable, but the things that you can control for
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is how do you select somebody that matches you in ways that do
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set you up for success. And you know, this is a podcast
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about healthy adult sexuality. Let's be real, right?
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If you are dominant and looking for a submissive, right,
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regardless of your gender or you are asexual, right, or you are
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vanilla, these are things that are important to match on.
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And if you're mismatched down the road when you have already
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fallen in love and are really emotionally invested in somebody
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and then you find out that you're sexually incompatible,
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that's heartbreaking. Yeah.
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This is a world of, what, 7 billion people or something like
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that? At this point, I don't believe
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in soulmates. I think that's kind of a weird
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thing to believe in. But there are probably
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thousands, if not even maybe millions of people around the
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world who you could have a really healthy relationship
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with. But just getting along with
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somebody, and I've had this in my personal experience, just
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getting along with someone on a lot of the things that matter
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doesn't mean that you're going to match on all, all of the
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things that really matter that are deal Breakers for you.
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And if a shared sexual compatibility is it is a deal
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breaker for you, it maybe it isn't for some certain people.
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That is one of the most important things that we can
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address early on. And you can't do that with most
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of the mainstream dating apps that are available on the
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market. And so that's why I really went
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out on a limb. I mean, you have to be insane to
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want to create a dating app. It is not an easy business to
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build. We can talk more about that.
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But now that I have jumped into the space, I'm in it 100%.
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And I think there's a lot of promise in this market because
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people are desperately looking for real deep connection.
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Absolutely, and it's so true. I think that no matter what app
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you're using, it's impossible to even address at all.
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Like any if definitely not all deal Breakers, right?
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Because if you're using one of the ones that aren't
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specialized, you still have a bunch of deal Breakers you can't
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talk about. This knocks a really big one out
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of the way. Like the only thing you know on
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any of the other apps is someone wants to date or they're looking
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for some type of connection here.
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You know, they're looking for some type of connection.
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Plus the king side. I obviously I'm on the app, I am
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taking like a slight break from dating, but I cheat every so
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often and get on Meet Kingsters and check out who's in my area
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and things like that. How did you figure out how to
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set it up right? It was a trial and error because
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one of my favorite parts about it is I can literally choose all
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of my kinks and there is an extensive list there that I've
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never seen. I don't think I've seen a list
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like that outside of Fetlife, which isn't even a dating app.
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How did you come up with this and like build in the logic for
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it all? Well, look, I'm not going to
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bore you with all the technical detail, right?
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But I am a technical founder, so I have the advantage of being
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able to build the product that I want to build.
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I appreciate the kind words that you have for the app.
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And yes, you know, the killer feature of Meet Kingsters is not
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crazy AI or video dating or anything like that that a lot of
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people sort of think is, you know, the special sauce that
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you're going to sprinkle on a dating app and it's going to be
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revolutionary. Really.
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At the end of the day, we're talking about an introduction
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service. Dating apps are introduction
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services. I cannot control whether or not
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you have a good relationship or if you're going to get matches
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or anything like that. Anybody who tells you that
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they're going to guarantee you an experience like that, go pay
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overpriced matchmaker a few $1000 for that kind of
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experience. I can't guarantee you that as
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you you just said, I can provide is the ability to say here's
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what I'm into. If that appeals to you, great,
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we can move forward. And I'm interested in your
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thoughts about this as especially because women I, I do
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think in our sort of heteronormative, you know,
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generic experience in the US, which is a lot of what drives
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dating for most people. It is a different experience,
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right, for men and women. And I think what we're actually
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able to do when we can say what we're about up front is that it
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takes the pressure off of that experience.
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Because I don't have the pressure if I'm dating somebody
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in sort of a vanilla world, but I'm kinky and I want, you know,
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a particular kind of relationship or whatever.
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I've got to Telegraph that to you.
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I've got to kind of hide the ball.
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I've got to like kind of hope that maybe things get sexual on
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a certain date or whatever. That's not a way to start a
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healthy relationship. If I know that we're after the
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same kind of things early on, that takes the pressure off.
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I can say, you know what, I can actually get to know this person
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and I don't have to feel pressure to jump in bed with
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them, right? It's almost paradoxical that you
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can have a more, dare I say, traditional dating experience
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where you can get to know somebody a little bit deeper
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without feeling the pressure to get sexual, You know, right away
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if that's not what you're into. Because, you know, down the
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road, you've got a good chance of actually being compatible,
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right? And you don't have to kind of
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slip it in and hope that they don't get scared off.
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That's the goal. I'm interested to see if that
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resonates with you. You have literally just blown my
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mind because you're right. I'm the whole time I'm like,
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yes, it's a much more authentic dating experience, but it didn't
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even cross my mind how much more traditional it is because I'm
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not waiting to for my big reveal of are they actually going to be
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OK with this part of my life. It's sort of like that can be on
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the back burner and then I get to find out about all the other
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things, which is that how vanilla people are dating?
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Are they all just waiting for that I guess?
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They are, yeah. And to be clear, right, I
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mentioned sort of that the experience is different for men
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and women because building a dating app, you do have to
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confront realities of the society that we live in, Right.
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Mick Kingsters is welcoming of all sorts of expressions of
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sexuality. You talk about how we built it.
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I've relied upon some research that has been done about even
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labels for gender and sexual orientation that are, you know,
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backed by some research about how people can express their
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their sexual identity. And we welcome that you can find
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ways to describe yourself or maybe even just describe
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yourself by saying, look at my profile and and I don't, I don't
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even want to apply a label. That being said, online dating
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is the on the business side. Unfortunately, the big players
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are all about extracting membership fees out of men to
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meet women. And while that is sort of just a
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truism about the market dynamics, I don't think it has
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to drive bad behavior or make us be less human in our experience.
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You know, meet Kingsters for instance, You can't post, you
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know, pictures, nude pictures, right?
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You can't post really explicit things on the app even though it
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is a sex positive app because we want people to be connected in a
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serious way. If you want to send Dick pics to
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somebody, find somewhere else to do it.
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There are so many other Dick pic options and I love that that is
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the case because as a woman dating, I don't need to see your
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Dick on your profile photo. And that's something that sets
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me kinksters apart as well. It does feel, I hate to use this
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word again, but traditional and then it's a normal.
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It's more like an actual dating app as opposed to here's a penis
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and here are all my kinks. There's so much more.
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Yeah, which I think explains why.
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I mean, if you want to sort of look at what are, what are the
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options for? Because I mean, let's be clear,
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I appreciate in metro areas in in America especially, but
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internationally, I mean, we really have no limits as to
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where you can join. But we have a better presence in
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the US. The numbers are growing, but
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they are still meager. And I don't do what a lot of
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upstarts in this industry do, which is to lie to my users by
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creating a bunch of fake profiles of, you know,
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attractive women that don't exist, right?
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To incentivize men to open up their wallet and pay for a
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premium membership to message women that literally do not
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exist or are AI chat bots or are paid animators from Asia.
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This is what my competition does.
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A lot of my competition, not all, but a lot of them.
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And it's a lie. And I'm just too good a Boy
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Scout to do it, really. I do want you to feel like
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you're using any other sort of dating app, but for the fact
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that you can also match based on sexuality.
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And I even go so far as you have to take a selfie when you join.
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We don't publish it right, but we do use it for spam
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prevention. Spammers don't like taking
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selfies of themselves and and showing you who they are right.
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So you actually have to prove that you are a live real person
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behind the the phone or the computer when you sign up.
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That limits, you know, potential growth a little bit because it
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is a speed bump to join. But again, I want people to have
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the best shot of matching as they possibly can.
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But it doesn't stop people from having bad profiles, right?
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You still have to put your best face forward.
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And that's, I think part of the future of Beat Kingsters is that
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we can help people put their best faces forward and learn how
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to express themselves. The vanilla side and the kinky
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side if that's what you're about and show your whole person and
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not be pigeonholed into just feeling like you have to put an
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explicit photo out because it's an adult dating site.
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Yeah, because it's more than adult dating site.
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It just, I mean, I guess they're all adult, but it's not a
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sexually explicit one, even though it deals a lot with
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sexuality. I want to go back to what you
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were saying about those fake profiles.
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As a woman dating, that's not something we run into a lot
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because we are the ones getting messaged.
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And I know a lot of times when I swipe right, I match with
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someone and I'm living the dream on the apps.
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But I've heard from so many men that they get on, and really I
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see on a lot of men's profiles them writing like, I'm not
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looking for your only fans, I'm not interest, I'm not going to
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pay for your subscription. So do you keep those types of
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things off the app as well? Yeah.
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I mean, advertising is not permitted.
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There's a few things about I think the modern online dating
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set up that you've the sort of swipe culture that you just
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described that doesn't work and that we have set up to try to
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engineer for a better experience.
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First of all, it's not a swipe out.
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That's a very purposeful choice that I've made because I think
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swiping monetizes dating in a way that's not particularly
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helpful. It is a way, it's a very
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successful way for dating apps to keep you coming back,
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honestly, gamifying your desperation, right?
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Especially if you were a man right there.
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You constantly go on to the app, right?
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You even say, you know, I go on there and I swipe right and it's
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like, yeah, guys swipe right far more than women do because it's
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a numbers game. And I'm trying to sort of get
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away from that because again, swiping doesn't help you
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actually hone in on people who you're, you're well suited to
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when it comes to sexual compatibility and all of the
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other stuff, right? So the experience on me
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Kingsters is you see a list of sort of who is near you, right?
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It's more like old school match.com, right?
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Or OkCupid or, or an app like that where you see the universe
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of people that is out there and then you can sort of go through
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them and look at them and consider them and maybe come
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back later and send an introduction.
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It's much more purposeful because swiping gets you
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addicted to the app, but it doesn't really get you to better
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quality matches. And also a swipe doesn't convey
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any information on me. Kingsters have required people
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to actually send an introduction, so you have to,
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you know, hey baby is not a good introduction.
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You have to put in a little bit of effort.
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It doesn't guarantee you a match, but it gives you an
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opportunity to actually say why you're interested, which I think
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is more human. Yeah, and I think that what you
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were saying about swiping is so true because it doesn't foster
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any type of connection. You swipe right and you match
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with someone, and the immediate thought isn't, oh, let me go
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connect and create a meaningful connection right now through a
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message. It really is.
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When's the next person going to match with me, you know?
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So you go swipe 20 more times and then you might go back to
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your matches later. It depends.
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You may be done after that. So have you had any success
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stories so far from meek gangsters?
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Have you heard of any marriages yet?
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Well, marriages, I'm not quite sure about that.
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I mean, Kingsters is still very new.
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People do match what we need. And this is the call to action
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for your for your listeners is more people to join because, you
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know, the more people who join and give it an opportunity to
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work for them, the more matches there will be.
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And I think I would love to hear about the first long term
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partnership, even short term partnership that works, right
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from users that, you know, we could share some success stories
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like that. But I think just as important,
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and this is a great segue into really why I think you and I
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have connected on this and some of the plans that we have around
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helping people in this space is that it's not just about dating,
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right? I think people are desperate to
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be validated and educated and feel like they are not weird or
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wrong or perverted right for wanting what they want.
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As a consensual adult in a healthy relationship, that's my
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measure of success, right? That and honestly, building a
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viable business. But I think there is plenty of
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money to be made in helping people.
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So I think compared to the large incumbent players in mainstream
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dating like match.com or Match Group, really that owns not all
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of them, but both of them, you know, it's a public company.
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They've got to chase profit quarter over quarter to keep
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their stock price up. And it's not working all that
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well. I'm privately held.
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I can actually be more concerned with building something
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sustainable and helping people. And that's my goal.
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That is definitely why we connected, because deshamifying
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and demystifying kink, that's our North Star right now, or at
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least mine and I think it's yours.
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And we've connected over before because in my experience of
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talking to people, no matter how long they've been in the scene,
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shame can still sneak up on people, right?
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And the more you are validated and understand you're not alone,
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the better or like the more enjoyable your experience can be
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overall. What sets you apart from
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Fetlife? Because as we know, Fetlife is
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not a dating app, right? But a lot of people use it as
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one, and Meet Kingsters is the first that came along for me.
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And I was like, this is sort of like Fetlife, but without all of
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the noise that comes along with it.
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It's sort of like your community is right there on the page.
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And it's not just an app, right? You can use it on your PC or
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laptop as well, right? Yeah, Yeah, we have a web
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version. You can use it on the web.
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I wouldn't say that right now Meet Kingsters is a replacement
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for Fetlife. I think.
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I do think that there is some opportunity there to improve
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upon really what remains the only viable option for sort of
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social networking written in the in the sex positive space.
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But Fetlife has first prover advantage.
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It is the thing that people like yourself, right?
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When people say, where do I find community now?
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I would say 99% of the time somebody experienced in the
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alternative sexuality space, I would say, right, not just kink,
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right, because I, I while it's called me Kingsters, right, I'm
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like, like I said, you can find somebody who's asexual, right?
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That is a perfectly valid sexual preference that will drive your
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relationship success. But Fetlife, you're correct,
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doesn't want to be a dating app. They could certainly be a dating
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app if they wanted to be one. But John Baku, who owns Fat
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Life, has publicly stated many times that it is not a dating
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app. He wants, and the leadership
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there wants people to connect in real life at munches, at
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sloshes, things like that, and use Fetlife as an adjunct to
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real life. I think that's a bit of a denial
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of reality, but it also provides a market opportunity that I'm
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trying to exploit. So I'm not going to complain
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about it. But I think Fetlife's a victim
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of its own success. And also in 2024, online spaces
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are increasingly marketplaces for commerce as much as they are
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anything else. So a lot of you know what?
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Again speaking to the male experience, and I understand
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that this is not translate for everyone, but speaking to the
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male experience on fat life, your mailbox is not overflowing
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with people wanting to date you. Your you know, pictures are not
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getting hundreds of thousands of likes right from thirsty men.
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And when you do get contacted, a lot of times it's from somebody
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who is selling their only fans, which is not to disparage
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anybody who's on only fans content creators, You know,
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that's that's valid sex work. But if your intent is to be on
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Fetlife to try to connect with people and maybe date, right, or
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form some sort of romantic relationship or sexual
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relationship, it could be very frustrating to basically be seen
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as a mark. I think that is what we are
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trying to overcome. That's why, you know, on Mute
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Kingsters, you're not allowed to advertise your Only Fans.
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Sex workers are welcome, but it is not the place to advertise.
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It is a place to connect, right, For relationships.
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I want it to be a safe space there.
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So we moderate very heavily for spam for that reason.
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It's not to erase that part of the valid sexual experience.
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But not every forum is designed for every use.
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And Fetlife unfortunately, right now is basically a porn site.
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It's monetized. The only reason to join Fetlife
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with a premium membership is to watch user generated porn.
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There's no other reason to pay. And similarly, I think the
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reason to pay for platforms like me, Kingsters, is for access to
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people who are serious about connecting for the reasons that
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we exist. And I'm not trying to eat
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Fetlife's lunch on being a porn site.
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I'm just not right. They they could be good at what
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they're doing and I'll be good at what I'm doing.
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And that's the thing I think they are really good at.
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They're so good at doing what they're doing.
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The people are trying to use it to date or meet other people
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just by going to profiles and direct messaging them and it's
20:29
kind of not for that. Also, a lot of people don't even
20:31
have their messages set to accept things from people who
20:35
they're not connected with already because of all of these
20:38
like spam type messages or unwanted messages that come
20:41
through on both sides it sounds like.
20:43
So that's why I love me Kingsters because I feel like it
20:45
is what so many people wanted Fetlife to be in terms of the
20:49
dating side. That was my point.
20:51
Would you agree with that? I would agree with that, but I
20:53
think specialization is a valid way to build a business and I am
20:58
trying to specialize in a part of the market that is
21:01
underserved. The male experience in sex
21:04
positive circles, if you are straight, can be frustrating
21:07
because for whatever reason, societally right men are sort of
21:11
still seen as the pursuers. I'm hoping that things will
21:14
change in that regard. We need to have spaces where
21:18
everyone is treated with respect and that, you know, spam or
21:22
advertising or whatever is not tolerated.
21:24
But also I think what, what I'm trying to encourage my users to
21:27
do is really lead with their humanity.
21:30
If you're a man in the space that is reasonably frustrated,
21:34
right, with being messaged or liked or whatever on Fetlife by
21:37
only people who are selling their only fans, right?
21:40
You also need to be part of the solution by being kind and human
21:44
yourself. When you go onto a platform like
21:47
me, Kingsters, And you can probably speak to this as a
21:49
woman who is on this site and sites like it, right?
21:51
Trying to find a good match. If a man reaches out with a not
21:55
creepy message that actually shows some interest in you and
21:59
wants and leads with a genuine desire to connect all of the
22:04
things that matter, romantic and sexual, there's a pretty good
22:08
chance you're going to get a response.
22:10
But you have to set yourself up for success with a good profile,
22:13
good photos, and show that you're serious and not just
22:16
thirsty. And this is something that I
22:18
really want to help men with by way of creating a a space that
22:21
rewards that kind of behavior. Rewards it how?
22:24
Like just gears it towards it? Or are there ways that you know
22:28
how some of the other apps do something where if you respond
22:31
regularly or something, you become like a super user type of
22:34
thing? It's not something that the
22:36
Kingsters would be open to, to encourage that sort of human
22:39
connection. For after development, right?
22:41
By rewards, I think I mean in the near term, this is a space
22:45
where because we heavily moderate right user, but I get
22:49
AI get a report about a user that's acting poorly, they're
22:51
gone, right? A lot of the larger platforms
22:54
tolerate poor behavior from people simply because they're
22:56
willing to either pay for a premium membership or they want
22:59
to keep their user numbers high or whatever.
23:02
But again, because my incentives are different, because it's
23:04
privately held, because it's small, because we actually want
23:07
to do something different. I can't promise women on our
23:10
platform, for instance, that you're not going to get messages
23:13
from people that you're not interested in.
23:14
But if you say no, that person never messages you ever again,
23:18
right? They are blocked because you're
23:20
not interested, right? And if their behavior is poor,
23:24
they'll be off of the platform. So we can set up a culture of
23:28
not tolerating bad behavior to where I really want me Kicksters
23:33
to be a platform that has a reputation as a safe space for
23:36
everybody. It's a safe space for the
23:39
general use case of straight men and women.
23:41
That women can feel like they can be on the platform and be
23:45
contacted in a way that is more genuine.
23:48
And also that men can feel like they're in a space where showing
23:52
genuine interest and and following the rules means that
23:55
you have a higher chance of success because that's the
23:58
community that we're developing. It won't happen overnight.
24:00
That, that's my goal. I love that the focus is on
24:03
creating a safe community because that was one of the
24:04
first questions I asked you was like, what safety net do you
24:07
have in place when you're in this space because it can be so
24:10
dangerous, especially when it's known as an adult dating site.
24:14
And then the other part I love is my biggest ick.
24:17
The thing that turns me off the most is when people when I feel
24:19
like I'm being treated like a kink dispenser.
24:22
And what you've described as like being able to boot people
24:24
off and encouraging people to make that real connection is
24:27
wedding out people looking for a kink dispenser.
24:30
And I think that's where the human element is lost,
24:32
especially when it comes to kink because people aren't used to
24:34
having it all in one place and they kind of forget how to act
24:37
when they do have it all in one place.
24:39
So do you have certain people? I know I have a lot of people
24:43
reach out to me and they're like, I can't find XI, can't
24:45
find Y. Do you have people reach out to
24:47
you and say, like, do you have these people on the app?
24:48
Like I think we talked about it a little bit earlier, but the
24:51
Femdom space, it seems to be a little bit of a desert.
24:54
And I know that people reach out to me about that all the time.
24:57
Do you have the same experience with people reaching out to you?
25:00
Yeah, I mean, and, and when you talk about safety too, right, I
25:03
mean, you know, there is a component of safety of like some
25:06
people aren't comfortable sharing their entire, you know,
25:09
like their face, for instance, right.
25:10
So it is a premium feature, but we allow people to blur their
25:14
pictures before they match, right?
25:16
So you can have your profile, you have photos on record
25:20
essentially, but they're blurred out and you only allow other
25:24
people to see your photos with your actual, you know, identity
25:28
after you decide that you want to match with them.
25:29
So that's an example to of some safety there.
25:32
But yeah, people reaching out. I I would say a lot of our early
25:36
members are in a few different buckets.
25:39
We have a lot of submissive men. To your point about femdom, it
25:43
is not surprising because it it runs so counter to the gender
25:48
stereotypes of especially western society, but a lot of
25:51
internationally as well of men being dominant by default.
25:56
And I think that's we shouldn't deny reality.
25:58
I think a lot of men do identify as D types and, and, and women
26:02
as S types, but it's not universal.
26:04
And I don't even know if it's a majority, right?
26:07
It may be be a plurality. But if you are a man in Western
26:10
society and you prefer to be in a female led relationship or be
26:13
with somebody who is at least, you know, dominant in the
26:16
bedroom, a woman who is dominant in the bedroom, that's not seen
26:20
as the norm. And it's a great example of why
26:23
we do need spaces like me kingsters, because if you get
26:27
along with somebody in all of the ways they're a great, they'd
26:30
be a great mother and you know, partner and manages their money
26:35
and are successful in business and all that.
26:36
If you're talking to a man who's submissive, that's all great,
26:39
but it's not sufficient to to have a sexually fulfilling
26:43
relationship. I I can't snap my fingers and
26:47
find a match for every single person that comes onto my site.
26:51
What I can provide you is a level playing field where you
26:54
can put your best foot forward and meet somebody who is looking
26:58
for the same thing. And if I have a suggestion for
27:02
men who are looking for a dominant female, it is think of
27:06
yourself right as the catch, right?
27:09
You have to be desirable to the dominant, right?
27:12
Don't just put a bunch of bathroom selfie photos on my
27:16
app, right, and just say I want to offend them.
27:20
Actually work on yourself and put your best foot forward and
27:23
have a profile that will attract the level of dominant partner
27:27
that you want. I think this is where people
27:29
like yourself, Amanda, can help in this space because you're not
27:34
going to be given a compatible partner on a, on a, on a silver
27:38
platter. You've got to invest in putting
27:42
your best foot forward and I think for submissives that
27:45
includes really making yourself appealing to the kind of
27:48
dominant that you want because dominant women are out there, to
27:52
use this example, but they're not going to go after a low
27:55
value submissive. They want the highest value
27:58
quality submissive that is ready to bring their best self to that
28:02
relationship. That's how you meet a dominant
28:05
female. That was amazing advice and I
28:08
couldn't agree more. This whole idea of just like,
28:10
oh, pick me, throwing stuff at the wall and hoping that someone
28:14
just going to come in and swoop them up, that's not a reality.
28:16
No matter what amazing dating app there is out there.
28:19
I don't even think you could pay a matchmaker to work with that.
28:21
So it really is about putting like as you say, everyone needs
28:25
to be putting their best foot forward and I think that's solid
28:27
advice. I think in our future on the
28:29
Kingsters as we get more and more users and have the ability
28:33
to really get some of that data that will help support these
28:36
kinds of things, is to reward good profiles with premium
28:41
placement in the app. There is nothing keeping us from
28:44
promoting profiles that are so just subjectively better than
28:48
low effort profiles and rewarding that kind of behavior.
28:51
And I think that certainly could be in our future because I can't
28:55
control end user behavior, but I can incentivize certain kind of
28:58
behavior. I can certainly think of a
29:00
universe in which we have better profiles filter to the top,
29:04
which is different, for instance, than an algorithm.
29:08
A lot of my competition, right? The thing about swiping is that
29:11
I can hide people at the bottom of the stack if I run a swipe
29:15
app. This is the dark underbelly of
29:17
the dating industry, right? There's a lot of dark
29:19
underbelly. We've talked a little bit about
29:20
it, right? But one of them is hiding the
29:23
good matches behind a pay wall or at the bottom of the swipe
29:28
stack. People do complain on higher
29:31
volume mainstream dating apps that it's like, yeah, I always
29:34
sort of seem to get matches that aren't all that pertinent.
29:37
But then, you know, as soon as I go premium, yeah, all of the
29:40
hotter people are there. And that's purposeful.
29:43
I don't do that to my users, right?
29:45
You can see with a free account, anybody who's within 100 miles
29:48
of you, right. When you sign up on me
29:49
Kingsters, you are limited to the number of introductions you
29:52
can send. That's the main monetization,
29:55
right? So if you really want to send
29:57
messages to a lot of people, and let's be honest, you're going to
29:59
have to send some messages to a lot of people.
30:01
You're not going to find a match sending one message a week or
30:03
just sitting there waiting for Mr. or Missus Wright to come
30:05
along that you have to pay for. But it is fully functional,
30:09
right? And you can see everybody.
30:10
You can get to the bottom of the stack immediately.
30:13
And I think that's important for me because I'm not hiding the
30:15
ball. You have to help do the hard
30:17
work of showing off your best self and sending a good message
30:21
to somebody. Really get one shot at sending a
30:23
good a good message to somebody to make them go.
30:25
You know what, I want to learn more and I'm going to click
30:27
accept. So you're really in this with
30:29
the person, both people in the party actually trying to make it
30:32
happen. And you're right on some of
30:33
those other mainstream high volume apps, you reach your Max
30:38
number of likes and then all of a sudden it seems the perfect
30:41
person is put in front of you. But in order to swipe right on
30:43
them, you're out of luck unless you pay.
30:46
And it's gross that it's being commoditized like that because
30:48
these are people's loves lives. They're trying to connect and
30:51
you want to be able to give them that opportunity.
30:53
And I would say do right, like women have a different
30:55
experience on dating apps OK, you know, this We do.
30:58
And part of I think what women should be insulted by with how
31:03
they are treated by a lot of my competition, not all, but a lot
31:07
is that you are the product for most dating apps.
31:11
You especially the more sort of, you know, traditionally
31:16
attractive you are, right? The more sort of social dating
31:19
value by traditional measures that you provide, right?
31:23
The more likes that you get, paradoxically as a woman right
31:26
on let's say Tinder, the more likes that you get from from men
31:31
above the average. If talking in straight land, the
31:34
more you will be treated as a product and less as somebody who
31:39
is actually destined for a relationship.
31:41
That might work because you have your value to the platform,
31:45
especially as a free user is in being that carrot at the end of
31:50
the premium upgrade stick. And I think that's that's
31:54
perverse and we need to as an industry talk about how we are
31:57
treating men and women. And I there is poor treatment on
32:00
both sides of the equation because dating platforms don't
32:03
care if women actually match. That you are used as a tool to
32:08
extract cash out of lonely men. That is absolutely disgusting
32:11
and admittedly I have never thought about it like that, but
32:14
I feel like I'm about to go delete all of my other profiles
32:17
right now because you're right. In fact, they're probably less
32:20
invested in certain people actually making a connection at
32:23
all because that means they're losing some of their free
32:26
product that they're using to make money off of.
32:29
I'm going to say it, it almost makes the ones who are at least
32:31
paying women to be on there almost more ethical because at
32:34
least they're paying them. This is insane and I have never
32:37
thought about it like that. I don't know if I like this.
32:39
It's better to be aware though. Well, it's it's not unlike any
32:42
other social media, right, where we are all the product on social
32:46
media, right? Like your data is, is really how
32:50
you pay for free Facebook or Instagram or whatever else.
32:53
That's part of how this industry works.
32:55
But we in dating especially, I think have a moral obligation to
32:59
treat people with a little bit more respect and help them solve
33:02
their problem, which is meeting compatible people.
33:05
And especially in the sex positive space.
33:07
I don't necessarily have the problem which is endemic to a
33:10
lot of mainstream dating, which is that a customer helped is a
33:13
customer lost, which is the case in, you know, traditional sort
33:18
of monogamous dating. But the reason why that doesn't
33:20
translate for adult dating or sex positive dating is because a
33:24
lot of not all, but a lot of my potential users are non
33:29
monogamous. So meeting one person you are
33:31
compatible with doesn't necessarily mean that you aren't
33:34
done looking for other compatible people, right?
33:37
And also sexually positive people want community.
33:41
And so even after you have found somebody who you might want to
33:45
date, you are still interested in meeting people who you might
33:47
want to be friends with. And mainstream dating is doing
33:50
this as well, right? I can't say that this is a
33:52
unique thought that the mainstream players, mostly
33:55
because they need to find a way to retain users after really
33:59
they either burnout on dating or find somebody they like, are
34:01
also doing social discovery. But that's particularly sticky
34:05
in this space because kinky people in particular like
34:08
meeting other kinky people and hanging out, even if you're not
34:11
going to have sex. The need for community is even
34:13
higher when you're kinky because yeah, you.
34:15
I mean, you can go play, I don't know, cornhole with a group of
34:18
people. And there's your community who
34:19
enjoys playing cornhole. Things like this are a lot.
34:22
They're a lot more secretive. And as much as I wanted that to
34:25
change, sometimes, you know, sex life needs to be private.
34:27
But just knowing that you have this group of people that you
34:29
can meet up with who sure, at least of base level common
34:32
interest makes a huge difference.
34:34
That is what I get the feel from the Meet Kingsters is I sense
34:37
the community in it and know that that's like my pool of
34:39
people. Yeah, like I said, it's
34:41
selection bias. Do you have any other dating
34:43
advice, tips for profiles? Because now I'm like, Brad
34:46
really knows what he's talking about.
34:48
What? What other hard truths do you
34:50
want to lay down right now? I am trying to be the guy in the
34:54
dating industry who will talk about the things that a lot of
34:57
people in the dating industry will not talk about.
34:59
And if you like these truth bombs, I appreciate that because
35:01
I think there's a lot of people who don't appreciate the truth
35:04
bombs because I am sort of, you know, showing you the.
35:08
The dark underbelly dating advice for men in particular is
35:12
that you have to put in more effort.
35:15
It feels unfair but you are just going to have to put in more
35:20
effort. I am here to tell you that you
35:22
know the numbers on Meat Kingsters are about similar to
35:25
other adult focused dating apps. Roughly 90% of my users are men.
35:30
OK, this is the truth bomb. 90% of users are compete if you are
35:34
straight. OK, so not all of those men are
35:36
straight, but most of them are because most people are straight
35:40
right? That's not a surprise.
35:42
Or at least are interested in dating people of the opposite
35:44
sex. OK, it's a 2 sided marketplace.
35:46
Where where 90 something percent of users are competing for the
35:50
attention of 10% ish of users. This is just the truth.
35:55
I would love that number to improve.
35:58
I would love for every female listener on this podcast right
36:01
now to sign up because you have heard me tell you that I think
36:03
it is a healthier place hopefully than elsewhere.
36:06
This is just the truth. So if you are in that 90%, you
36:09
absolutely have to do something to stand out.
36:12
Otherwise you're just lost in the crowd.
36:14
And I can tell you it's not hard to stand out because most men
36:17
don't know how to write a dating profile, especially on a sex
36:21
positive platform. So if you can just put the sex
36:25
aside for a minute, write a dating profile that shows who
36:28
you are, the best vanilla version of yourself, right?
36:32
Then sprinkle in the sex positivity and you will have
36:36
some success. Not 100% success, I can't
36:39
guarantee it, but you will stand out against all of those other
36:42
guys who think that a shirtless selfie in a bathroom mirror will
36:46
appeal to the smaller universe of people that you're all going
36:49
after. And this is the truth, right?
36:52
The only other person really in the dating industry that's
36:54
talking about this is the CEO of Grinder, right?
36:56
He's public saying that mainstream dating treats men
37:00
like shit. And what he means by that is
37:02
that they are commoditized and sort of the, you know, broken
37:05
incentive way that we have talked about and that we are not
37:08
helping men realize that they're getting in their own way.
37:11
And as a man, I can say this, right?
37:14
Men on these platforms are getting in their own way.
37:17
And you have to put yourself in the mind, love, just like we
37:21
were talking about Domsons and submissives, you have to put
37:24
yourself in the mind, regardless of the power dynamic at play of
37:27
the person that you want to appeal to, right?
37:30
Show up online like you want to show up on a first date, right?
37:34
Yeah, Putting your best face forward.
37:36
That is solid advice. And that was the truth I was
37:38
looking for because I do think so many people think, oh, this
37:40
is easy. Like, admittedly, I set up my
37:42
profile, I think from bed when I was doing it, you know, and I
37:45
remember having to like turn on a light for the selfie portion
37:48
of it to validate myself. But I think it makes it a little
37:52
bit lazier and sometimes how we set up profiles because we're
37:55
not in the headspace of I'm trying to attract someone right
37:57
now. What's the best way to do that?
38:00
I'm really glad I needed you to say it, Brad, because you have a
38:03
cutthroat way of getting through to people.
38:05
I think it's important to be realistic as well about like,
38:08
your point is solid. You really get back what you put
38:11
out there. So if you just are putting out
38:13
the bare minimum, what you're going to see is the bare minimum
38:16
back. That's true.
38:17
And also, I mean, you are the king consultant, right?
38:19
So I'm sure you have talked many times over your career to people
38:22
about if you live in a I live in a very small town right now,
38:26
right? So I, there's no munches or
38:27
sloshes or anything around, right?
38:28
But when I'm in larger cities, I like to go to get togethers.
38:32
If you show up at a munch or a slosh and you stay to yourself
38:37
and you wear a stained T-shirt and are look all schlubby and
38:43
not approachable, yeah, guess what?
38:45
You're not going to be approached because nobody wants
38:47
to talk to a sad sack, right? You have to.
38:51
You. Have to put out the energy that
38:53
you want to receive and I can say it is hard to do.
38:56
Sometimes it is hard to do. Dating is hard, but if you want
39:01
a relationship, if you want to find community, you have to.
39:04
There's a component of even faking it till you make it
39:06
right. That's not to say that you
39:07
should be in genuine. You know, if you want to be
39:10
confident, you have to get a little bit out of your comfort.
39:13
Zone and put. Yourself out there.
39:15
The relationship itself is effort, so you need to put the
39:18
effort in before you even start the relationship by dressing the
39:22
part or showing up and having put thought into it.
39:24
It's a thoughtfulness around it that I think makes the
39:27
difference. Another trend in the business of
39:29
dating is matchmaking, right? So the sure sign of a failing
39:35
dating product is that you pivot to in person events.
39:38
And that's not to say that there isn't money in in person events
39:41
or matchmaking, but it shows that you are giving up on trying
39:43
to actually connect people online.
39:46
I know that you are right grasping at the thing that you
39:50
can try to control, right? If you run an event, put a bunch
39:53
of money into getting people out at the promise of free food and
39:56
speed dating, right? You could make it look like your
39:58
platform is is successful, but you're not succeeding at
40:01
connecting people online. That's the hard thing to do.
40:03
I bring up matchmaking because matchmaking is an expensive
40:06
product, right? But I will tell you that a lot
40:10
of matchmakers aren't making money by actually matchmaking
40:13
their clients. They they are showing value to
40:16
their clients. By giving you some of the advice
40:18
I'm giving you for free right now, right?
40:20
Think about how you are presenting yourself, right?
40:24
Visualize the match that you want, right?
40:27
Don't go on dates with people you know are not compatible with
40:31
you. Don't ignore red flags.
40:33
Go get a haircut. Think about the clothes that
40:35
you're wearing, right? Simple things that you can do
40:38
for a lot less money than paying a matchmaker.
40:41
Because a matchmaker, especially the higher end ones, aren't
40:43
going to even do business with people who are not willing to
40:46
put the work into to themselves before they try to match you
40:48
with their other clients. Because then they won't have any
40:50
more clients. I am blown away by the level of
40:53
transparency and forcefulness of this truly solid advice.
40:57
If you are listening right now and you are in the dating field
40:59
in or in the dating pool, and you are experiencing any of
41:02
these things, I think this is extremely solid advice.
41:05
It is things that have never said it as bluntly, but you're
41:08
100% right. Stop showing up like a sad sack.
41:10
OK, so Amanda, I mean, I've done a lot of talking.
41:13
I appreciate you saying that my advice is good, but I mean one
41:15
am I wrong about? Any of those.
41:17
I'm not a. Woman, right?
41:18
Like what? What would you add to this?
41:20
OK, I'm going to tell. You that I haven't said.
41:22
Here's why I'm asking you about it.
41:24
One of the things that I find just being in a public space.
41:27
I'm posting on Instagram and TikTok.
41:29
People do not want to listen to a woman telling a man how to be
41:34
and that's just the truth and I experienced it with some of my
41:36
clients too. They want to hear a man say it
41:38
right. And I think I'm already thinking
41:41
of the clips I'm going to cut this into to put out there
41:43
because hearing it from a man, for better or worse, or maybe
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it's just how our biological logically wired, it resonates
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more and it hits the point home so much faster.
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So that's why I've been asking as a woman trying to give this
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advice. It doesn't land the same.
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I often talk mostly to women when I'm giving advice on TikTok
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and Instagram, when I'm creating free content, just trying to
42:04
educate people. I know who my audience is
42:06
because I know who's listening. Yes, I talk about Dom and sub,
42:08
but you kind of mentioned it earlier.
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A lot of women are sub leaning. So when I talk about a sub, I do
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not gender it. But often times that's who I end
42:17
up talking about it. And I myself am a switch.
42:20
So I both Dom and sub messages resonate.
42:23
But that is why I want I have let you talk, Brad, because you
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are just spitting out facts. Well, yeah, I think that's
42:29
great. I think we are saying some
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things that need to be said, which is not I spent a lot of my
42:34
life before I got into this space in sort of the political
42:38
spheres. I've done, you know, a lot of
42:40
media, right? One of the ways is and
42:42
unfortunately, I think what has happened with media in the age
42:45
of YouTube and short attention spans and a 24 hour news cycle
42:49
is that the more provocative and incendiary you are, the more
42:54
airtime you get. So why not just say all the
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provocative and incendiary things?
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I don't think what I'm saying here is all that provocative
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really. It might be a little bit uncouth
43:04
in some circles because it's nicer to sort of go along and
43:08
get along, but I'm here to disrupt an industry.
43:10
I am here because I am angry about the lack of legitimate
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options in this industry and the way that both men and women, for
43:18
the reasons that we have talked about, have been treated poorly
43:21
by the dating industry. But also, I think we have to
43:23
treat each other better. I think that men and women in
43:27
the online sphere are really talking past each other.
43:30
I think that a lot of men that are otherwise good guys have
43:33
fallen into a bit of a trap of sort of the manosphere.
43:37
I don't know if you see any of this, but there is a real trend,
43:40
right, of online influencers who want to tell men that they just
43:45
need to be more alpha power alpha, right?
43:48
Or the the high value man and all of this kind of thing.
43:53
And at the surface, if you're sort of an alpha dominant type,
43:56
what's wrong with being alpha? What's wrong with being a high
43:58
value man? But what they mean by that,
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right when you start listening to what they say is that you
44:05
need to be an asshole or you need to treat dating and women
44:09
like a transactional game where nobody has the other person's
44:14
best interests at heart, right? The dating is simply a game to
44:18
be played to find the hottest or highest value woman or whatever.
44:23
How you however you define that. And it just turns, it turns men
44:27
in particular, I think into a headspace that is not healthy
44:31
for themselves or for their potential partners.
44:34
But what it does is channel anger.
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And I think especially in the post pandemic world where we are
44:40
lonelier than ever, loneliness is an epidemic, right?
44:43
The Surgeon General of the United States says that
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loneliness is an epidemic, and I believe them.
44:48
I think what has happened online is that we have taken that
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legitimate complaint of being lonely and we have channeled the
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anger and frustration that can come from that.
44:58
And I understand that men can feel angry and frustrated in
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dating for all the reasons we've discussed them.
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It is a numbers game for men that it is just not for for
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women with you are straight, but you cannot let that anger take
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you over and change your personality because you will
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become the kind of man that you don't want to be.
45:17
And if you listen to the manosphere, you will become a
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rotten, miserable man that the kind of woman that you want to
45:24
be with will run from. And and it's sad.
45:27
Yeah, it is sad. I feel like you nailed that so
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hard. And it is something I'm saying.
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I think the New York Times recently wrote about sort of how
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men are turning back to the church more.
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And there's nothing wrong with that.
45:37
But a lot of the comments under when they posted that were
45:41
basically women explaining how difficult it is talking to men
45:44
today because they have fallen under that manosphere.
45:46
And you're describing red pilled men in like, and it is, I think
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that's a pandemic that we're going through, especially dating
45:53
out there. And that anger is palpable.
45:55
I'm feeling it from more and more men even on dating apps
45:58
myself. So I appreciate you addressing
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it so eloquently. And I, and I want to say the red
46:02
pill man, right again, all of these things come from a place
46:07
where it's like you understand why people do and say the things
46:11
that they do. The red pill is from the Matrix,
46:14
right? It's like when you talk about
46:15
the red pill in the Matrix, it's like, yeah, I do want to see the
46:18
world for the way it is, right? But that has been Co opted by
46:23
toxic people online who want to say to men who have a legitimate
46:29
complaint about, you know, it's hard to connect with women that
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I want to connect with. That's a legitimate complaint,
46:34
right? That's something that we should
46:35
work on and want, right? But they say, well, if you take
46:37
the red pill, what you find out is that they're all just rotten
46:40
and you have to treat it like a game.
46:42
What I'm noticing is a lack of accountability in any of it.
46:44
It's like, oh, I'm not meeting people and you're giving the
46:46
real advice. It's like, well, then change
46:48
your profile, switch something up.
46:50
Don't just lean into this like, oh, it's so hard, It is
46:53
difficult and that's why you got to put your best foot forward.
46:55
All right, we are coming up on time and I just want to ask if
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someone listening now wants to go set up a Meet Kingsters
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some of the things we talked about, right?
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47:20
It is a way to ensure genuine profiles.
47:24
That might change at some point in the future, but it's what we
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do to create the kind of community that I've talked about
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It entitles you to be shown at the top of search results and be
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I'll send you stickers. You can get me Kingsters
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I will also say that if you like the truth bombs I've dropped
48:01
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Meet Kingsters, you can go to Meet kingsters.com.
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Go to the bottom of the page and there's a link to our
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It is not cheap to start a dating app and we're about
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We would appreciate people with the means to invest.
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You can own part of the business.
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This is not a donation. My contact information is there.
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It's really not hard to get on my calendar if you want to talk
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And I'll have a link in my bio as well so that it's easier for
48:45
you to find it as well. Well, Brad, thank you so much
48:48
for joining today. This has been a refreshing
48:51
pleasure to chat to you about all things dating it, not just
48:55
in the King space, but in general.
48:56
Appreciate you coming on. Thanks, Amanda.
48:58
I really appreciate you and all that you're doing to, I think
49:01
help people have a healthy sex life and self-image.
49:04
It's very important. As is your work and this will
49:07
not be the last conversation. We have definitely so much more
49:10
to come from me Kingsters and my working with me Kingsters as
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well. All right, thanks, Brad.
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