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Rumble Fish · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Hello, everyone. This is producer Peter. We've
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got a really nice episode today. We have repeating
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guest Tank back to talk about Francis Ford Coppola's
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Rumblefish, which is a really interesting movie
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that we have. a fair amount of stuff to say about
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um but the bummer is that after doing the recording
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i found that the audio file for nick myself and
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tank corrupted and we lost that so we're using
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our backup scratch track which doesn't sound
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as good and you know has some issues but i tried
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to clean it up as much as possible to make it
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decent and i hope you still enjoy listening um
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and sean's audio is great so uh there's that
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anyway enjoy There's a guy who dresses like Batman
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and then just jet skis around Lake Washington
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Or Lake Union. I have not seen it. It's fucking
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sick. I don't know if it was, like, Washington.
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I think it is Washington. There's a guy with
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a hot dog motorboat. Oh, I saw a video of a hot
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dog boat. I didn't know that was in Washington.
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I was talking about that earlier today. I was
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like, if that ever happens, somebody should wake
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me up. He was rolling around, just blasting ACDC's
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Thunders. Of course. I was babbling nonstop.
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just like look i'm just really over the top wait
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did you guys move to portland or did i because
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this this is weird i think uh it was funny i
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was like every time there is a uh slightly horny
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slightly violent surreal dreamscape movie you're
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like yeah we should get we should probably yeah
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everybody like it's like a It's like a French
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gangster who took some Ambien and woke up with
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a moderate hard -on. Yeah. Like, let's make a
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movie about that and bring in Tank and have him
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talk about it. So let's do it. Perfect. I already
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have the French gangster. Motorcycle, by the
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way. We were talking about it today. I was hoping
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that every time we talk to each other, we'd just
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start with Rusty James. Rusty James. Rusty James.
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Rusty James. Every sentence starts and ends with
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Rusty James. Oh, my God. I love that his name
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is just Russell James, and then they're like,
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nope, Rusty James. What a cool gang name. Yeah,
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for real. Yeah, what would be your gang name?
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Fang. Fang. Dang, I was thinking Fang, too. Yeah.
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See, I think it makes more sense for me to be
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Fang, seeing as everything I wear is from Wild
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Fang. Mine actually makes sense. Why is everybody
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going Fang? It's just a bit tight -ass. It's
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just capitalism. Fuck you, you corporate shill.
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I'm going to be Scratchers. Tank is my business.
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That's what I take into the straight world. Scratchers
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is where I go at night. So this is Cage Match,
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apparently, calling around about meeting Nicolas
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Cage. I'm your host, Sean, here with my co -host.
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And I'm Nick. And our producer. Peter, hello.
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Hey, you kind of did it better this time. Yeah,
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I've been... Well, no, I haven't been practicing.
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You've been practicing bullshit. I forgot we
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were even doing a podcast anymore until you texted
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me the other day. Yeah, we're going to do all
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the back catalog. We're getting all the bangers.
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The movies that don't actually feature Nick Cage.
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Somewhat feature Nick Cage. Well, yeah, when
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you're like, what, uncle or second cousin makes
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the movie and you have to show up because your
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name is... Because you're a Coppola. We're in
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the and also Nick Cage genre. era now. The what?
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And also Nick Cage. Oh, yeah. It's also the Nepo
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version for these first couple movies. Sophia
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Coppola, I gotta just say, sucks so fucking bad.
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Oh, Sophia Coppola is still terrible. I cannot
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stand her at all. Her directing work is fine.
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As an actor, and I know she's a kid in this,
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she sucks. She's so bad. I fully expected her
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to get retroactively better. and then just suck
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later in her career? No, not true. Started bad,
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ended bad. Also returning this week, our friend
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Tank. Hi, Tank. Hey, everybody. I'm here not
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to besmirch the career of Sofia Coppola. Only
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the acting career. Oh, I don't care at all. I
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really just don't care. Like, there's not a movie
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that she's in. I'm like, oh, that's the one I
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want. By the way, this is a great movie. We'll
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talk about that later. But, like, you can put
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any kid in there. Kids are terrible. Kids are
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terrible actors. Nine times out of ten. How do
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you feel if... Finn Wolfhard was the sister.
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At any age. At any age, yeah, sure, I would love
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that, but that's a really bold thing. It's a
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pretty expressionistic movie anyway. 27 -year
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-old Finn Wolfhard. Really, like, gender flip
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a daughter character and, like, not acknowledge
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it would have been outstanding. That silly, shaggy,
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like, fucking Joey Ramone hair he's got. So this
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week we are discussing the 1983 film Rumblefish,
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which I'd never heard of before. And now I have
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seen and enjoyed. Okay, good. There we go. We
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got to the end of it. I'm going to speak like
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this. So you never know when my sentence ends.
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So you will never understand if I actually watched
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the movie or did research. We will know when
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you're done because you will end it with Rusty
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James. Rusty James. Beautifully, though, you're
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on a separate audio track, so Peter can speed
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you up 75 % and you'll just sound like, I guess,
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I guess like me. just fast and annoying welcome
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to cage match later episodes where we exclusively
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discuss the mechanics of podcasting yeah yeah
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that's what the people are so so um are there
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people left is it is anybody yes is anybody familiar
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with se hidden uh no is that is that an author
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that rings no I'm going to... I'll give a...
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It's a she. S .E. Hinton is an Oklahoma author,
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born probably in the 1940s. Began writing really
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young, like in her teenage years. Wrote The Outsiders,
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Rumblefish, a handful of other books. So what's
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interesting is Coppola did this in Outsiders
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and released them in the same year, six months
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apart. Outsiders is a very straightforward story.
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This one is, I think, much crazier. I think we'll
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get into it. So S .E. Hinton was like, I don't
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know, the James Patterson of Oklahoma? Actually,
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let me back up. It's more of like the Stephen
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King. She didn't do horror, but she was heavily
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identified with the region and wrote stories
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about what it was like to be in Tulsa, Oklahoma
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in the 50s. So while I think this probably takes
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place in Missouri or whatever, I don't really
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know. It's ultimately like she was an Oklahoma
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author. The fun thing about The Outsiders...
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was you could read that book in the seventh grade
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and you could write a book report on it every
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single year until your senior year of high school
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and still get like an A in like basic English.
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So she was sort of an outsized character growing
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up because she wrote like about what it was like
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to be in that world. And so I grew up in Oklahoma
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and that's what it was. But I will tell you,
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the movie we saw today looked nothing like any
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version of Oklahoma I'd ever seen in my entire
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life. Because it's in black and white. It's exactly
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true. And they have a color there now. Everything
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in Oklahoma was mostly like a sepia, yellowish
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tone until about 1985, and then we started Ed
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Reds and stuff like that. Bold shift. But yeah.
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But like Outsiders, if you watch that one, and
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like Outsiders just won a bunch of Tonys like
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a year or so ago as an opera. Not opera, sorry,
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as a musical. It's super straightforward. bunch
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of handsome men and handsome situations yeah
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and it's like it's like all of the most handsome
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dudes from the 1980s oh absolutely yeah it was
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like this was lazy and and like who else yeah
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i'm like uh yeah it's like it's it's just everybody
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it's like rob lowe it's milio estevez It's just
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everybody. Everybody who was remotely like, this
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is a potentially fuckable human being in the
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future got in that movie. And this one, they
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toned it back a little bit, but you still have
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these really great people pop in. They had a
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terrific cast. Yeah. A real banger of a Hidden
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Gems cast. My favorite was Tom Waits, for sure.
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Oh, yeah. Benny. Absolutely. What a great character.
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Although, I will say, I... the designer in me
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hates the, the B being used for Benny's billiards.
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Cause the first time I read that, I'm like Benny's
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Iliards. What's that? Even when they showed it
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again later, that's how my mind read it. It's
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actually Benny's billiards. Benny's billiards.
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No. Cause the B and the, the B, the Benny is
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like one font. Eh, whatever. The Benny is hanging
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out with Tom Waits. That's why you're a good
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movie king. Tank, do you want to take a quick
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synopsis of the film? What's it about for our
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listeners? Alright, so you have Rusty James,
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who is the younger brother of what was the lead
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gang member of a pretty prominent group of young
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men who just fought nonstop in whatever city
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they're in. Rusty is like the heir apparent,
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but is a little dumber. A little less charismatic.
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A lot dumber. A lot dumber. And just does not
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have what it takes to carry on. But at the exact
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same time, his older brother, whose name I never
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really caught, to be honest with you. A really
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good Mickey Rourke. A really good motorcycle
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boy. A really good Mickey Rourke. Fantastic.
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You forget what a wonderful actor. What a presence
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that guy has on stage. He disappeared into that
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one. It's so weird to see Mickey Rourke before
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he became a mannequin that came alive in a trash
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compactor. yes right right right like we were
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talking about this on text like he just i think
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he got he went to bare knuckle boxing or boxing
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just got the crap kicked out and did a whole
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bunch of plastic surgery and just like i don't
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know i think his body there's like a body dysmorphia
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thing i'm not i'm no clinician yeah but i'll
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diagnose people on podcasts all day long uh but
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anyway so so motorcycle boy is basically the
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king and he has come back after a period of time
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in california when she basically has a religious
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experience where he realizes that the lives of
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the kind of rumble like culture that they had
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been a part of was basically hollow and he was
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going in a dead end direction and ultimately
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he was going to wind up in a dead end direction
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and at the end essentially sacrifices himself
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in some way in order to either evolve Rusty James
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or to end the culture or whatever but it's just
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a very nihilistic movie I think in its heart
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like there's not a lot of like hope at the end
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of it no it tries to get there and never really
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reaches it it's also like visually just very
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expressionistic like nothing about it like so
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i was watching it at the very beginning i was
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thinking like this is like a musical with no
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actual like musical sequences in it like every
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scene looks like it's gonna lead up to like the
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jets or whatever they're gonna start snapping
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and like dance fighting but they just like fight
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fight or they just do a thing and like i don't
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know it i i hated it for the first 20 minutes
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but by the end i was like this is killer every
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it took me like it took me about 20 minutes to
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really kind of get into the groove of it but
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once i realized this is just a stage play like
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this is if i saw this on stage if i saw like
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if you i had a character named rusty james who
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was only referred to as rusty james constantly
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on stage perfectly fine with it in a movie i'm
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like this is weird and uncomfortable well even
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there's a there's like a fight scene where one
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of the guys gets knocked down um in an alley
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and like his leg does this huge like melodramatic
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kind of flop and it's like oh yeah that would
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work on a stage definitely more than whatever
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the fuck that was also how would you do the motorcycle
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hitting that fucking guy put that on stage that
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felt like something out of a 1980s video game
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like a double dragon game where yeah shoot yeah
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yeah yeah the bicycle motorcycle he's the motorcycle
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boy he shows up on his motorcycle wrecks it to
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like kill a guy and then like loses his whole
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like namesake then he's just boy and that's why
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he's kind of drifting to the rest of the movie
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they steal another they steal that yamaha or
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whatever yeah yeah he has one more motorcycle
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yeah but i just i loved this the framing of everything
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i loved like the the abundance of fog machines
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even the final shot of rusty james at uh on the
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california coast where it's clearly just him
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on a soundstage with like a screen that is being
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back projected on but it's just it's so it's
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the atmosphere of this whole film is just great
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and like the weird angles i visually just loved
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this film i think it's essentially an independent
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movie made by the person who made the godfather
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yeah you know what i mean it just feels because
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like again he did outsiders right before and
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outsider is like a very straightforward like
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we're making a movie this felt like so at the
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same time you're getting like jim jarmusch is
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coming in there's a lot of down by law kind of
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qualities there there's a lot of this kind of
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like ultra indie black and white you know motivated
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camera like we're gonna go really big and expressionistic
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with the way things are weird angles the fish
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thing yeah in color there's that scene that's
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so good near the end where they're walking through
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the kind of i don't know if it's like a fair
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or maybe just downtown at night and they're talking
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about how motorcycle boy is colorblind and also
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kind of deaf and the sound drowns out and comes
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back in and drowns out and comes back in he's
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talking about like why he can't see stuff and
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like i don't know that's a that's a artsy ass
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move and it's like 10 minutes long it's like
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not a short sequence right that whole sequence
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i it took me a minute to catch on to it but there's
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like whenever the focus is on motorcycle boy
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talking it like deadens the sound and whenever
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we get back to rusty james it's much louder and
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you hear a lot more ambient sound i thought that
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was a really nice touch yeah it's really carefully
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designed like it's again it's an art house movie
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made by a person who made godfather 1 2 and apocalypse
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now yeah Who went on to have a very weird career
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right after that. He has had a very weird career.
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A very weird career. I thoroughly respect that.
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Let's not ignore the Megalopolis of it all. Or
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the Jack of it all. He made Jack. I was forgetting
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about that. Yeah, he made Jack. He made The Rainmaker.
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Yeah, yeah. He made some choices. He said Jack,
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and my brain immediately said, oh, Simple Jack.
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Oh, yeah. What a terrific film. No, that's a
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film within a film. Jack is the one, the Robin
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Williams, who has that disease where he's a boy
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who... ages too fast and by the way i'd be like
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reverse benjamin buttons or something but i knew
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a guy who actually had the disease and it's so
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much more tragic it's not like i'm 12 and i look
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at robin williams like i'm i'm 19 and like i
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have osteoporosis oh that's not like he wasn't
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able to buy you yeah my little friend can go
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get his beer it's like no my 19 year old friend
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needs a walker so um there's a story i want to
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tell here um but we don't do that here so no
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no it's about it's about the it's about the movie
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so they're at the end and they're like looking
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at the fish right it was like beta fish rebel
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fish we want to call like your own call a lot
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of different things so um when i was 22 ish um
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i was i bought i got a house a rental house with
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two other guys we were in college there was three
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bedrooms so Killer rental house. But one bedroom
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had an en suite bathroom. And so that was like
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the desired bathroom. We're like, well, how are
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we going to decide who gets the bathroom? And
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so coin toss, drinking contest, whatever. We
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were like, what if we went to Walmart and we
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all got three betta fish and we put them in one
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container, one aquarium, and we let them fight
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to the death and the last one alive got the room.
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so we did that this is animal abuse this is terrible
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right again i was the older man i didn't you
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know whatever um so we did that and we put them
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all in one fish bowl and over the course of the
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next 70 hours they fought now they don't fight
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like they go and they fight each other and then
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one dies they slowly eat the fins of each other
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until they can't swim anymore and then go upside
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down and they float to the top and they die and
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it was the saddest way i've ever won a bedroom
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in my entire life and like at the end we were
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just like can we just stop yeah we just stopped
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was it your responsibility to flush them down
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your unsweet absolutely yes actually i did take
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care of all of it and i feel terrible about this
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is i'm atoning out loud on this podcast when
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i watched that scene i was like okay i could
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finally clean my conscience so good it's a chance
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for you to heal yeah thanks for coming on cage
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match a chance for you to heal about uh animal
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abuse that you inflicted That's the therapeutic
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podcast about Nicolas Cage. Yeah, it's not fun.
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70 hours, yeah. It was like 20 minutes. We would
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go to work, because we all worked night shifts
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and stuff, we'd go to work and come back and
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they'd still be alive. Horrible. Yeah, that's
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rough. Anyway, not as romantic as a piece of
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that movie. But those fish at the end get set
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free and they all swim their own way. Sure, they
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seem happy. Everything in the aquarium should
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go in a river. Absolutely. Check it all in a
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river. All goes in a river. That's fresh water.
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I'm assuming that's the Missouri River. I'm sure
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that thing is perfectly great for it. Definitely
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primed for it. It's got the right pH balance.
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They're going to do great. So other cast of characters,
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Diane Lane plays his girlfriend. Nicholas Cage
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plays Smokey. Can we address the Nicholas Cage
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of it all? Yeah. I liked his jacket. Deuce's
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wild jacket. That was actually August Coppola's
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jacket from when they were kids. Interesting.
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And Francis, because Francis was really big into
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the brother story of this all, and it really
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connected. I went back and re -read the Age of
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Cage portion of this. Yeah, so he was like, oh,
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you know, we'll get him to wear his dad's old,
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like, I don't know, gang jacket. Gang. Gang.
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I guess Cage was not famous enough for the rusty
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part at this point. Which, it's kind of too bad
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looking at it, because I feel like he would have
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done a good job. I mean, it's early in his career,
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so it would have been a stretch. But, like, Matt
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Dillon did fine. but he's fine he was fine he's
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rusty james we got it i think a lot of the like
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acting performances could be just qualified as
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fine yeah nobody was exemplary i think uh um
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that's hopper hopper hopper was great hopper
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was good but like the movie is like oh their
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contentious relationship with their father and
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it's like no he seems like just a drinking buddy
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to them yeah like there seems to be no struggle
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between the father's drinking except for you
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know obviously like motorcycle boy comes in and
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he's like playfully getting rid of the alcohol
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in the house sort of thing i mean i think the
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contention is their dad's just an absentee absentee
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drunk for sure yeah yeah but it never feels contentious
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Nobody seems to have a real problem, a developmental
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problem. The problem is they're all trapped.
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That's the thing. It's not that he's mean or
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cruel or violent. He's just a trap. He's a person
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who has to be taken care of. They have to be
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there for him. He's just an ever -present chaotic
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part of their life. He's not terrible, but...
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I don't know. I don't think any movie's ever
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made worse for Dennis Hopper. I think he's one
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of the few actors like, oh, you made that a little
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better every single time. Well, I'm not upset
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about him being in there. I enjoyed his performance.
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It just never felt like... You wanted a little
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more antagonism between the family. Well, everybody
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seems so resigned to their place in life except
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for Motorcycle Boy. It's like, oh, yeah, I am
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the dumb gang leader. Well, Smokey outsmarts
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Rusty James. and takes the gang but he seems
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to be the only one with any kind of ambition
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like that was kind of the thing at the end though
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there really was no gang like at the beginning
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Rusty James is trying to make this whole big
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stink about like rumbling and shit and we're
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led to believe that Smokey's kind of a coward
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and he's just apathetic because he's like you're
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dumb the gang was dork and beef boy and lawrence
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fishburne larry larry fishburne but like they're
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ultimately just plain at being gangsters and
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smoky's really the only one who sees that yeah
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i know for real but i do think a lot of it is
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about that like it's not it's not that it's like
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this really violent terrible place it's not great
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but it's just like there's nowhere to go it's
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like a dead end you know what i mean like hopper
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was a dead end and that's what they wrote so
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when they were talking about the mom the mom
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got out right that was the whole thing she was
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not a dead end everybody's like oh she was crazy
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she left she's like no she was probably the sanest
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person in the entire group but like everybody
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there was just like resigned to the space they
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were in it's getting a little heavy uh i'll check
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it back i'll back out real fast in praise of
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diane uh wow i just this is one of the we every
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time again you bring me in for the horn stuff
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so i'm going to put my horns on for a second
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so it was laura dern in wild at heart just was
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smoking and diane lane comes in hot this whole
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fucking oh yeah that's so good i like the fantasy
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sequence where she's like up on oh yeah the thing
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and she's taking her clothes off and like he's
22:23
like in the wood shop or whatever like or like
22:25
the machine shop like whatever what a great move
22:30
just just a plus it's so hard thinking about
22:36
just high school back then were like here's just
22:39
a big old machine shop where when i went to high
22:42
school it was like we can afford a book for five
22:46
lucky this movie there were two parts that gave
22:51
me like a little crisis there was one line where
22:54
someone's like god he's so old he looks like
22:57
25 oh yeah and i was like yeah okay that's kids
23:00
talking whatever and then hopper is like i'm
23:02
40 i've only got 35 summers left in me and i
23:06
was like jesus fuck is that all i have left yeah
23:10
oh yeah no i that that hit too i'm like 35 summers
23:14
doesn't sound like that many summers oh it's
23:17
always fun you never know when like the midlife
23:19
crisis is gonna smash into you it's now what
23:21
is happening well so i was talking about somebody
23:23
the other day we're like uh talking about cheers
23:26
and like how george went was 34 when i started
23:29
i was like i feel a lot but i look in the mirror
23:31
and he's like i'm 43 i'm like all right I look
23:34
significantly better than Dennis Hopper did at
23:36
40. A different life. We're on different timelines.
23:40
Well, it's like Nick has pointed this out a few
23:42
times. You used to be able to smoke inside everywhere.
23:46
And it was cool. It was cool. Super tight. Motorcycle
23:50
Boy and Rusty James smoked quite a bit. Nick
23:54
Cage, like, when they came out of the bar, Motorcycle
23:57
Boy lights up a cigarette, then immediately throws
23:59
it away. yeah that's classic and then motorcycle
24:02
boy had that like fucked up busted cigarette
24:05
somehow miraculously able to smoke even though
24:08
it was cracked which doesn't work think about
24:10
though was just how cheap were cigarettes back
24:12
then they were probably a buck it'd have to be
24:15
a buck i think a buck a pack 18 bucks a pack
24:17
like last time i checked but when i quit smoking
24:21
in 2007 They were $3 a pack in Oklahoma. I think
24:27
there were probably like six out here at that
24:28
time. Yeah, that was like, that was the end of
24:30
it. But probably a buck. I remember my grandfather
24:32
quit smoking when they got to 75 cents a pack
24:34
and that was like 1980 something. Yeah. It was
24:37
like eight bucks a pack up here when I quit.
24:39
Yeah. And there was like quite a bit of smoking
24:41
in the, in Benny's billiards where people were
24:45
having milkshakes and Cokes and just smoking
24:47
away. Yeah. Chocolate milk. Yeah, it's like,
24:50
I'm gonna crush a beer, but then give me a glass
24:52
of chocolate milk, Benny. Oh, man, can you imagine
24:55
the phlegm if you had, like, two to three cigarettes
24:58
and then a glass of chocolate milk? That is coating
25:01
the throat. Repulsive. I will say, and I think
25:05
a bunch of us have talked about this for a while,
25:07
if I could have any wish from a really wiener
25:10
-ass genie or something like that, it could make
25:12
me ultimately powerful, it would just be like,
25:14
I would love to smoke with no repercussions.
25:16
It doesn't smell bad, it doesn't hurt my health.
25:19
You get to look badass. I just get to look so
25:22
cool. I have never looked cool. We talked about
25:26
this on the way back from your birthday. I've
25:28
never looked cooler in my life than when I was
25:29
smoking. so no negative only positive i don't
25:32
think that i would have ever had sex with a human
25:34
being had i not been a smoker i'm not sure maybe
25:38
i probably would have found my way there eventually
25:40
but like it it really set the pace for me in
25:44
my 20s i definitely had 100 of the sex that i
25:49
had in my life as a smoker yeah well not like
25:52
like every instance of it but but it was it was
25:54
definitely a part of the darren right every partner
25:57
i've ever slept with was while i was a smoker
26:01
yeah yeah same same like that's at some point
26:04
that's part of the thing is like if i read it
26:05
back to like dating or whatever i'd be like uh
26:07
oh fuck i have a smoky yeah yeah no i don't smoke
26:11
and no no new pokes no again that you bring me
26:17
in for the horn stuff that's good that's why
26:18
you're here um you know one of the things that
26:22
like continually stood out to me through the
26:25
whole the whole movie was just like how did this
26:29
get made right like how how like it like think
26:33
about it in context of because we're as a cage
26:36
match but like nicholas cage is not a big part
26:39
of this it would have been killer had it been
26:42
uh mickey rourke dennis hopper and nicholas cage
26:45
like in the bedroom doing those sequences together
26:48
that would have been a really fun watch i think
26:50
it could have got wild but like we didn't get
26:51
there so it's just like contextually this movie
26:54
you have one of the best biggest directors in
26:57
the world right he's picking up these this ip
26:59
from as he hit and he makes outsiders which comes
27:02
out six months before and like that's a kind
27:04
of a hit oh yeah it launches careers it kind
27:07
of sets the tone for all the big heartthrobs
27:09
of the 80s like it launches that whole thing
27:11
he's like all right so now i'm gonna do it again
27:13
but like no i'm not gonna fucking do it again
27:14
i'm gonna make this weird ass experimental kind
27:18
of crazy film that looks beautiful it's some
27:21
of the best black and white photography i think
27:23
i've ever seen in my entire life i think the
27:24
only other movie i've seen that looks as good
27:27
The Man Who Wasn't There by the Coen Brothers.
27:29
It's just exquisite black and white. This is
27:33
maybe the best black and white I think I've ever
27:35
seen. So this movie was shot back to back with
27:40
The Outsiders. They kept the exact same production
27:43
crew and everything. So I think that really helped.
27:46
And just getting it made was the... They were
27:49
writing the screenplay while filming The Outsiders.
27:54
Was it the same director of photography between
27:56
the two? I'd have to double check, but I know
27:59
that Coppola wanted to keep his production crew
28:02
from Outsiders into this. Probably would have
28:05
been. I mean, you would think. That's a person
28:10
at the top of their powers, right? They can go
28:12
to any studio and be like, you're going to give
28:14
me this much money, I'm going to make this movie
28:15
and this movie simultaneously. And studio producers,
28:19
you can't show up. You can't check in on what
28:22
we're doing. Maybe they showed up one day on
28:23
Outsiders and were like, oh, these are handsome
28:25
boys. and like we're gonna we're gonna make a
28:26
ton of money and they walked off and they didn't
28:28
check in on rumble fish and rumble fish comes
28:30
out you're like huh yeah this is a thing huh
28:34
they tilted the camera a lot on this one didn't
28:36
you buddy yeah so it was it was steven henry
28:39
burham was his name i think this looks great
28:42
oh we also did snake eyes oh wow so reunited
28:47
mission impossible so i forgot about this in
28:52
the beginning of the film when they like the
28:54
first few like set up scenes they show like the
28:57
city and they kind of like have it on a time
28:59
lapse but it gave me like those old like the
29:03
videos they'd show us when we were kids in schools
29:06
like you know the mechanism of the economy see
29:11
we were able to afford updated videos we weren't
29:16
all sharing the same book and public domain 1945
29:23
No, I was in Tillamook, Oregon, and they had
29:24
a legit reel -to -reel projector they'd bring
29:27
in with these old fucking old -ass tapes. The
29:30
only time we ever had to watch one of those was,
29:32
like, the first sex ed course I ever went through.
29:36
Sending a chair. Yeah, the evolution, like, sitting
29:40
in the future, I will include electricity. There's
29:43
just nothing. Hard -on, through the screen, it's
29:47
like, erections for all. racing into the sky.
29:54
Trains going into tunnels, rocket ship. It's
29:57
just an innuendo. It's not sex ed. It's just
30:01
metaphors. I'm going to have a real hard time
30:04
adjusting to... Although, Sean, I'm sold every
30:09
time we do a time lapse at night of a city. If
30:12
it's a pretty time lapse at night, I'm just like,
30:14
let's just do it. Let's watch a city go to bed
30:17
and wake up over a time lapse. I'm in. Every
30:20
freaking time. What was the big billboard in
30:21
that scene, that nighttime scene? Mayo? Mayo,
30:24
I think. I'm sure it was probably like Mayo Clinic
30:26
or something, but like the idea of a giant sign
30:29
for... Oh yeah, just a giant sign for mayonnaise.
30:32
Yeah, well you said there was like a magazine
30:34
or something? Yeah, the magazine said something
30:38
called Hamburger. Hamburger Magazine? Hamburger
30:42
Magazine. Makes sense to me. I would subscribe.
30:46
So are we going to start a hamburger magazine?
30:49
Let's do it. Probably. It'd come out of left
30:51
field. Nobody would expect it from me. So I think
30:53
it needs to be large format twice a year. Like
30:56
a really big thick one. Like really big time
30:58
into it. Like the swimsuit edition. Big format
31:02
twice a year. One seasonal hot dog. Real thick
31:06
paper. Well there can be a hot dog centerfold.
31:09
So that way you unfold the giant hot dog. Yeah.
31:14
You can run your hands over. Ooh. One scratch
31:17
and sniff page, yeah. We're on the same page.
31:19
All right. Yes, absolutely. This is going to
31:21
happen. Cool. Spare sourcing right now. Cage
31:23
match. A roundabout way of starting a magazine.
31:26
So I do want to come back to, like, Matt Dillon's
31:31
performance real quick, because I think he's
31:34
great in this, just as the fucking poser kid.
31:40
what's up with the leather cuff like what's up
31:42
with like the one like leather like fighting
31:44
cuff just trying to look cool man it's just cool
31:47
shit yeah i just like it's such it's such a vibe
31:52
and i definitely knew this guy in high school
31:54
like i definitely knew that guy who just wanted
31:58
to be cool and was just projecting that image
32:00
and story of himself out there and it was just
32:04
easier to go along with it than to just be like
32:07
nah dude So the Yahoo who comes into our podcast
32:10
wearing their best fighting blouse has decided
32:14
to critique the fashion of 1980s small town gang
32:20
members. In the 80s, man, this was written in
32:23
the 60s. I guess the movie moves it forward a
32:27
little bit. Oh, man. Bandana Sean is not happy
32:33
with Cuffy Dillon. For our listeners, just so
32:37
everyone knows, this thing is like a button to
32:39
ruffle just above the navel. Just pure midsection.
32:43
There's full sternum bush on display. Sure. I
32:47
can see your xiphoid process. That's true. Anybody
32:52
know what that is? No. Not a fucking clue. No
32:54
good. It is a small bone that hangs down at the
32:56
center where your ribcage meets right here and
32:58
holds it together. Is that the one you take off
33:01
when you want to suck your dick? I mean, there's
33:03
a lot. It's not going to hurt. No, it's not going
33:05
to hurt. Actually, it will separate your ribcage.
33:06
It's pretty critical linchpin in the whole chest
33:09
area, but anyway. I got zip ties. This is a diphoid
33:12
process. That's a weird name for a bone. I love
33:16
it. That joke got me, but it did. Neat. Oh, man.
33:22
I just, I kind of wonder, like, what happened
33:24
to Matt Dillon? You know what I mean? I think
33:27
it's the voice. Honestly, the whole time is...
33:29
He sounds so dumb. He sounds like no dumb character.
33:33
There's no way of taking the Matt Dillon voice
33:35
and being like, well, you know, he's a respectable
33:39
authority figure that you should, like, follow
33:41
into the... Not a fucking chance. Like, you think
33:43
about, like, so, okay, you take... The Outsiders
33:46
group is really that group. So he was in the
33:47
Outsiders as well. So you have, like, Cruz, and
33:49
you have Rob Lowe, and you have... uh Swayze
33:52
and there's a handful of other folks in there
33:55
like uh but like he was also in there but like
33:58
he could never really break out and I think it's
34:01
the voice I think you're entirely right I was
34:03
trying to pinpoint what it is and he's just it's
34:06
a meathead voice he's also he's got like the
34:09
real mouth breather look about him too yeah that's
34:12
hard to get away from little simian yeah and
34:13
a lumpy good looking guy not gonna yeah yeah
34:16
yeah but monkey Yeah, like a good -looking monkey.
34:19
That is a very handsome monkey. So, like, on
34:22
that line, too, like, Mickey Rourke was a pretty
34:25
good -looking dude. I mean, he's kind of strange
34:27
-looking. I was thinking about it. It's like
34:28
if Sam Rockwell and Stephen Dorff fucked, but...
34:31
Let's take three seconds to think about that.
34:37
It's working for me. Take him off. Put him on.
34:41
Take him off, boys. But yeah, it's kind of a
34:44
shame. I mean, he really did get fucked up. Like,
34:46
he was... not a beautiful man but like i think
34:50
the funny thing is in the in the movie you see
34:52
him in the photo the motorcycle and he has long
34:55
hair and he looks handsome man his haircut is
34:57
so stupid it's very dumb whatever they do in
35:00
this it's so stupid it's a real it's a real dork
35:03
it looks like the haircut that every girl who's
35:06
eventually going to be a lesbian gets in the
35:07
eighth grade they're like oh that's who i am
35:10
now i guess yeah it looked to me like he was
35:12
going for some kind of a proto version of the
35:17
misfits because they like just cut in yeah a
35:21
uh a widow's peak on him yeah it's like forced
35:24
widow's peak yeah this is my bangs now this this
35:28
is how it's done he has such a gentle voice for
35:31
the whole thing you get meathead matt dylan he's
35:35
hey whatever i can't do it uh i'm not even trying
35:38
but like uh yeah it's just like ah rusty you
35:43
know these are yeah they belong in the river
35:47
whatever and then it's just such a contrast to
35:50
everybody else who's just coming off like really
35:52
blunt and kind of ridiculous good character yeah
35:56
it was a very it was that scene in the billiard
36:00
hall when they're just like no man he's the king
36:03
you're never gonna get there like you're just
36:04
not gonna happen like that was i don't know there's
36:07
just a bunch of really great scenes you could
36:09
cut out those are very powerful moments and i
36:10
think a lot of people in their life have lived
36:12
through which is like they realize something
36:14
about themselves that they're not going to be
36:15
and like the whole movie the whole movie is actually
36:17
matt dylan realizing like he's not who he thinks
36:20
he is right yeah no uh but that scene where it's
36:23
like you know you're not the king uh like because
36:26
that's nick cage they're outside benny's um and
36:30
it's like you're not the king it's like i would
36:32
be the king and you'd be like a second lieutenant
36:34
like that's the line or something but like at
36:37
the end of that like confrontation when like
36:40
rusty james realizes that you know yeah he's
36:43
not who he thinks he is he's kind of a joke he's
36:45
like he goes to you know like hand off the baton
36:49
like hand it hand the pool cue to nick cage and
36:53
like it's like all right it's you and nick cage
36:55
just like what the fuck dude just cut it out
36:58
like yeah we stop doing this now right i have
37:03
diane lane uh the gang does not exist you're
37:08
a silly man please stop doing performance i want
37:11
to know i want a movie about that other gang
37:13
the one they like effective gang the guy who
37:17
got motorcycled the guy got up until he got motorcycled
37:20
also like rusty james he gets his stomach cut
37:25
open with a big old piece of glass and then gets
37:29
fucking um piped to the head later like this
37:33
movie gets super serious then gets super like
37:36
just jokey real quick yeah i just think it's
37:41
a dreamscape the whole thing it's just like a
37:43
weird fevery surreal dream which is a cop -out
37:46
i could have like leaned in and said yes but
37:48
like the whole the whole thing is just like it
37:51
is ridiculous it's just like young men being
37:54
idiots And, like, overimagining their lives nonstop.
37:58
And you're stuck with this guy who thinks he's
38:00
going to be the most important human being ever.
38:01
And he's like, eh, you're kind of a Dylan. You're
38:03
kind of a Matt Dylan. Yeah, kind of a Matt Dylan.
38:06
That's what he's a Matt Dylan, yeah. But, yeah,
38:11
the fight scene, actually, I really like the
38:12
fight scene. It reminded me a lot of Clockwork
38:14
Orange, the big, like, gang scene there. And
38:16
I think maybe a little bit of a play on that,
38:18
which is, like, the gangs are so serious in that.
38:22
And it might be the same thing. Clockwork Orange,
38:24
the gangs are aging out and they're just becoming
38:27
older men. That's what it is. They're probably
38:29
the younger people who take over gangs or become
38:31
gangs. And it's the same thing. You're too old
38:34
for this shit, man. It's not fun anymore. Unlike
38:38
Warriors, where being a gang is still incredible.
38:42
You could dress up like a baseball boy or a clown.
38:45
Whatever you want, man. That's what I liked about
38:48
the other gang. They kind of had a theme going.
38:51
They were a real gang, that's the difference.
38:54
Murder? Kinda. They kinda had a vibe. Yeah. I
39:02
still do think it felt like a double dragon fight.
39:06
Oh yeah. You show up, everybody kind of kicking,
39:07
a knife flies off, you pick up the knife, you
39:09
can throw it twice before it disappears. I've
39:11
got to show them with a motorcycle. Before the
39:15
fight actually gets going, when they're just
39:16
swinging at each other, Rusty James does do the
39:20
hopping double kick a couple times. Yeah, it's
39:26
very video game. Later on, when Rusty gets hit
39:30
in the head with a pipe, and then Bicycle Boy.
39:33
Sorry, Motorcycle Boy. Well, he didn't have the
39:36
motorcycle at the time. Motorcyclist Boy shows
39:39
up and fights. It's the worst choreography. It
39:43
does bring us to the out -of -body experience.
39:45
I like that scene a lot, actually. That was a
39:48
cool effect. Yeah, so I was watching it in a
39:52
chair with my headphones on in my head, and,
39:54
like, the family was, like, over here doing stuff,
39:57
right? Doing their own thing. And, like, that
39:59
showed up, and I just went, like, hands up in
40:01
the air, like, what the fuck is this? Like, I
40:04
was not expecting it, like, delighted. I was
40:08
kind of delighted non -stop by all the decisions
40:10
that were being made, because, like... after
40:12
the first 20 minutes it just was not boring like
40:14
there was not a boring scene everything was kind
40:16
of visually interesting they were making crazy
40:18
decisions like did it add up to the best movie
40:21
absolutely not so but if i was going to steal
40:23
from a movie as a film director i would steal
40:26
out of this movie like crazy there's so many
40:29
things you could just rob from this movie and
40:30
put into a better movie and it would be awesome
40:33
I think that's the most agreeable sentence I've
40:37
heard from this. I was not a huge fan of this
40:39
one. I'll get that out of the way. It was the
40:43
longest hour and a half that I think I've ever
40:46
spent on this podcast. I'd say it a lot, too.
40:52
Longer than Croods 2? Yeah, dude. This movie
40:55
just felt like a full two -hour film when I was
40:59
watching it. maybe maybe it's the theatricality
41:02
uh being the theater major who doesn't like theater
41:05
uh it doesn't catch me it's just there were some
41:10
moments where i was like yeah that's great i
41:12
forgot what got me started on this i think i
41:14
think it's it's a it's a menu of really interesting
41:18
vignettes and scenes and ideas you know and like
41:21
it really again it feels like coppola was like
41:24
really just scrubbing and trying to make like
41:26
an indie movie trying things really like fucking
41:29
around and like feeling his way through it it
41:31
felt like that so like you know they're just
41:34
shots that look really great again them walking
41:37
through the downtown and like the audio shifts
41:39
based on the character who's talking is a really
41:42
brilliant idea and then like the out -of -body
41:45
thing where he just like is floating through
41:46
could have been terrible but again you're right
41:49
you're right when you put a lot of uh forced
41:52
uh artsy shit together yeah you're dragging me
41:56
through a lot to try to sell this yeah to me
41:59
it's like i was the whole time i was thinking
42:01
oh sorry well and that's kind of where i wanted
42:04
to like finally bring this to is so it's called
42:07
rumble fish and the big metaphor for their situation
42:11
at the end is are these fighting fish are the
42:13
rumble fish that mickey rourke's obsessed with
42:15
wants to steal and like set free and we get that
42:19
like really on the nose scene but i feel like
42:22
it worked really well after motorcycle boy's
42:24
dead rusty james is like throwing the fish in
42:26
the water and when he's thrown up against the
42:28
cop car and for the first time he's in color
42:31
like he sees his own reflection as those trapped
42:36
fish and that's when he decides to leave i love
42:39
that kind of crap i don't know i don't know why
42:42
i just it was earned they they really held it
42:44
for a long time yeah yeah yeah i thought it was
42:47
earned like it's like i said it's a little on
42:48
the nose but i loved it yeah i agree there's
42:51
a lot of stuff like that but i agree like there's
42:53
just these moments like ah i felt good and it
42:55
wasn't too much like it's like the whole movie
42:56
didn't flip to color it was just like a flash
42:58
and then you come back yeah well and then there's
43:00
that like extended And I just I love how it end
43:03
with that extended long shot of the entire cast
43:06
learning about Motorcycle Boy's death. And it's
43:09
cut and it's like everyone has their kind of
43:11
like little like moment of like you see everyone's
43:14
like immediate reaction to the death. And then
43:17
it just cuts to Motorcycle Boy Reigns and the
43:20
silhouette of Matt Dillon like riding off to
43:23
California. I'm like, which is super theatrical.
43:26
It's like what Nick keeps talking about. It is
43:28
a very. stage play so there's a there's a guy
43:31
named james or jamie lloyd i forget how you actually
43:34
say his name but i he's like the hot shit on
43:37
like the western and broadway and everything
43:38
he does has like projection screens and sexy
43:41
people tight underwear it's like all that kind
43:43
of stuff like this felt like a jamie lloyd production
43:45
of a movie right had he been around in like 1983
43:49
i feel like he would have made this movie i'm
43:52
gonna make a controversial statement here i think
43:55
my favorite character was the cop Because when
44:00
he killed Motorcycle Boy, it meant the movie
44:02
was over. Otherwise, the cops sucked. The cops
44:08
were pretty bad. If you ask Nick what the narrative
44:10
was, it was about a hard -nosed cop in Missouri
44:12
dealing with a bunch of fucking pretentious assholes.
44:15
Protecting a pet store. Nothing but steal from
44:18
pet stores and cause fights. Saves the day again.
44:22
Just keeps showing up. Sick -ass mustache. I
44:25
will say, the fucking bullet wound was like...
44:29
pretty gnarly yeah yeah i do like the cop a lot
44:34
so i like how he like just stood there yeah he
44:37
was like a monolith of like antagonism he was
44:40
angel of death yeah like he was just waiting
44:42
like the whole time he was just he was like because
44:44
he never see his eyes why are you showing up
44:47
he's like well because it's like shadow boy is
44:49
a dead man like he's out like he came back from
44:52
california he's destroyed he doesn't want to
44:54
be a part of this he doesn't know where to go
44:55
so he's gonna go he's like check out his gun
44:58
there was a eventually he's gonna go check out
45:00
yeah check out yeah we have a lot of checkouts
45:03
cops in the country these days that is true they're
45:05
always sure you show up at the screen early on
45:08
in the newsreel and well that's gonna turn into
45:10
a problem and it really does not get too political
45:12
but there we are well like i mean the cop even
45:15
has his own other than just yeah being you know
45:17
the harbinger of doom you know also uh when rusty
45:22
james like asks him in the middle of the films
45:24
like what's your problem with motorcycle boy
45:26
and the cop's response is like i see the one
45:28
thing you don't which is you know everyone looks
45:32
up to this thing and up to motorcycle boy and
45:34
like romanticizes that and he's like that's just
45:37
trouble that's just going to lead to more dead
45:39
kids and you know in the end kills motorcycle
45:43
boy and the other cops want to take in um rusty
45:47
james and he's the one who's like no let him
45:49
go like this is over now yeah there is heavily
45:52
an element of like this is the end of an era
45:54
yeah the whole thing like the whole thing starts
45:56
is like we're at the very tail end of something
45:59
and people need to like transition and move on
46:00
kind of thing yeah it's the decay of like this
46:03
previous culture that maybe wasn't so great to
46:05
begin with but like the romanticism is wearing
46:07
off and i think like you're uh we're talking
46:09
about earlier like uh cage's whole thing about
46:12
like why are you hanging against pool cubes it's
46:14
stupid like we're out of this you know what i
46:16
mean like just move on you're being a child yeah
46:19
all right final thoughts i liked it I said that
46:24
at the beginning. I'm saying it again. It grew
46:28
on me a lot, for sure. I understand where you're
46:30
coming from, though, Nick. I mean, it's fine.
46:32
I'm not upset about not liking it. It's not going
46:37
to make me lose sleep. Did you watch Primal right
46:42
after it as a palate cleanser? No, I think I
46:46
just went and cranked one out. There we go. To
46:50
Diane Lane. Diane Lane. God bless Diane Lane.
46:56
Modern Diane Lane. Diane Lane at any decade,
47:00
let's be fair. She's just working it. Yeah, I
47:05
don't know. I didn't like it for the first 20
47:06
minutes. I fell asleep last night, but it was
47:08
a bad time to start. I watched it again this
47:10
afternoon and ended up really enjoying it. Will
47:13
I watch it again ever? No. But will I go and
47:16
find scenes from it online and probably be like...
47:19
look at it a little deeper no yeah i know what
47:27
you're talking about i got shit things to look
47:28
at on instagram or something yeah i'm not studying
47:31
things from rumble yeah i think it's totally
47:36
worth a watch i think especially if you're into
47:37
photography and that's part of like what you
47:39
like about movies like it looks great Yeah, if
47:42
you have the longest hour and a half of your
47:44
life just sitting there in front of you with
47:47
nothing else to do. If the doctor tells you the
47:50
cancer is incredibly aggressive and you have
47:52
two hours left. Whoa, do something better. Make
47:55
some macaroni and cheese. Well, you just want
47:57
it to spread out. You just want to see how long
47:58
can you make it. A bowl of mac and cheese that
48:02
takes about 15 minutes to make. And then watch
48:04
Rumblefish. and you know you got you got another
48:07
month you got one more month of your life right
48:09
there i think if i had an okay hold on if i had
48:13
an hour and a half to live i would probably do
48:17
the most like ridiculous like unbelievable like
48:22
i would have sex with that bowl of mac and cheese
48:24
sure and i'd leave it on the counter that's like
48:26
three minutes that's somebody else yeah Max,
48:29
you're done. Well, yeah, you know, I'm already
48:32
hot and bothered by their mixing noises. I think
48:35
if you're going to have an hour and a half, you've
48:38
got to leave post -nut clarity for, like, the
48:40
last 45 seconds. Like, that has to be an epiphany
48:43
moment. Like, you have to, like, save that for
48:45
the very last minute. And then you do your thing,
48:50
and you're like, oh, I get it now, and then you're
48:52
out. What if I have sex with a mac and cheese?
48:56
Okay. I watched the last 45 seconds. Just the
48:59
last 45 seconds. Straight to it. Fucking garbage
49:03
memes on Instagram the rest of the day. Then
49:07
we'll say you lived a great life. That's a life
49:09
well lived. Going out strong. Alright, well,
49:13
thank you all for listening. You can find us
49:16
on social media. I don't know. Probably. We haven't
49:19
done much on that lately. But you can support
49:21
us if you want. And if not... I don't care. Yeah,
49:23
buy my next box of mac and cheese, please. Yeah,
49:26
Nick needs mac and cheese. I'm running out. I
49:28
stopped smoking, and now I just can't get laid.
49:32
Well, yeah, thank you to our Sparkle Buddies,
49:34
Josh, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam, Bill, and Stuart,
49:36
and to our Cage Dancers, Ira, John, Freeman,
49:39
Nathan, and Cameron. Thank you guys for listening
49:41
and supporting Rusty James. I love you all very
49:44
much. Rusty James. Rusty James. Rusty James.
49:53
That's dumb. There we go. I nailed it. That was
50:15
hard. Yeah. Cruel harmony, but harmony nonetheless.
50:19
That's what my karaoke was like. For everyone
50:23
else.